This is brilliant. Unfortunately other Atheists pretty much will watch stuff like this and find it interesting, because religious people are so close-minded it's sad. Humans have amazing minds and the ability to think freely and obtain so much knowledge, yet the bible closes people off from that, and keeps them from thinking for themselves and consider other possibilities. Science and History is amazing!!! Put down your bible and open your eyes.
I'm not really religious or anything but the whole december 25th thing is laughable... this guy doesn't know shit. Will some one make a video that is not a half assed piece of shit?
@JtotheKify How is it laughable? It's a fact that ancient cultures practiced winter solstice celebrations, and that the Christians later picked it up and grafted it onto the Christ myth.
There is no correlation between the God of Universe and the religions. Religions try to claim they were sent by the "God of Universe", Why Stone tables, Why not at least an IPad..
Allah was the Moon God of Egypt. Christ was the Sun God of Egypt.
Arabs liked the moon, since days were hot, so Sun God was out. Moon lite was cool, they could deal with it, it was the symbol of fertility (Women Period Cycle) etc.
We can see the Moon and Sun gods in China, Egypt, South America! They are still here!
Be very careful, alot of people dont actually confirm their information. The story of Horus is found in the Egyptian Book Of The Dead, I advise you read it. Dont get information from someone else who also didnt read the book therefore giving you false information. Nowhere does it say that Isis was a virgin, or that it was announced by a star in the east and attended by 3 wise men. There are some parallels, but do your research first.
@MrKatelloMande Note that the Book of the Dead, like the Pyramid nexts doesn't contain a straight forward narative. It was funerary and only contains allusions to a myth. Also there are other sources for the myths of Horus and Osiris. Sources that do state that Isis was a virgin and that his birth was announced by a Soptet (Sirius), and that his birth was attended by Re and both kings of upper and lower Egypt.
@MrKatelloMande On the walls of Abydos Isis refers to herself as hwnt. (There's also passages in the Pyramid texts that refers to Nut as hwnt, which means virgin.) Phoenician gemstones dated to around the fourth century BCE also depict a star over the new born Horus, with Re and the kings of upper and lower Egypt present.
@ProgThrashDeathCore Yes and no. There were muiltible deities, or neters, who represented different aspects of the sun. Horus was one of these aspects; and not just by being conflated with Re.
Some christians say that Horus is fake. But Horus existed before Jesus and Jesus visited Egypt when he was a child. So I bet Jesus read some books about Horus.
@akrifasouth look at where jesus' life took place...look at where horus' life took place. You dont think people living that close knew about the stories?
There's no way you can say that the authors of the NT knew that (we dont even know who the authors were). Second, the NT was written more than a decade after jesus' death. That means, through all those years, the story of jesus was all hearsay....being born only a few miles away from where horus' took place
@BigBallaShotCalla15 Literacy was very rare. If you were literate, you were part of a tiny minority. And if you wrote in Greek, or Coptic, you would - without a doubt - have learned the classics, which means an education in all things Hellenistic. Considering the fact that the Hellenistic Empire covered most of the areas where these biblical stories evolved, the stories would most certainly be influenced by them in both imagery, metaphor and style. Your theory is bunk. Learn your history.
@BigBallaShotCalla15 The fact that the stories are so similar is understandable because the authors were influenced by the culture of the surrounding Hellenistic (or Roman) culture. The Egyptian pantheon has its Greek counterparts - as mentioned by Herodotus (a text extremely well known at the time). It seems that Christ, and the authors of the NT, purposely imitated the actions contained in these mythologies. The only difference being that he was a real person. He is the myth that came true
Being literate in the first century did not necessarily make you a historian, but rather a linguist. Christ's story was influenced by Horus' story, which took place 1200 years before Christ was born. I feel the people who were spreading the NT as word of mouth may have sprinkled, if you will, the miraculous bits of Horus' tale (as well as Mithra, Krishna, and a bunch of other historical characters who had the same bio. as Jesus) See Bart Erhman's take on this, then tell me to learn my history
@BigBallaShotCalla15 Of course they used those myths. When you wish to spread a new idea, you do it by using already-existing mythology. What makes Christianity unique is not the execution of its man-god, but his degrading execution - one that was not glorious but one that was called "accursed" by the Torah: "for he is accursed of God that hangs on a pole" Why keep this politically uncomfortable part of the myth, unless that myth is indeed true? There's more here than meets the eye
@akrifasouth but then the Biblical God is basically cursing himself. I think it's a bit inaccurate to say christ's execution was a degrading one...since the cross is essentially what gave him the title of 'Lord.' Even at the time of christ, many of his followers saw the crucifixion as the necessary fulfillment of 'prophecy.' So the statement thar christ's crucifixion was unique in that it was a degrading one is fallacious
@BigBallaShotCalla15 Deuteronomy 21:23. specifically speaks of the degradation of public execution. If you are going to promote a Jewish Messiah, why not edit out this "uncomfortable" little detail in order to win over more converts who would otherwise be put off by a fate "cursed of God." Unless this actually happened, the gospel writers would most certainly not have felt obliged to retain this detail. They would instead, have followed the classical, myth model - as they did elsewhere
@BigBallaShotCalla15 Christ had the title of Lord long before his crucifixion. Yes, the biblical God was indeed cursing himself - that is the whole point! It shows you that the crucifixion of Christ was a real event, or else they would certainly have edited it out - why retain such an ungodly fate in your religious texts? If it did not happen, you would feel no compunction about changing the details to suit your idea of what Christ SHOULD be like. And if Christ's fate is true...what else is?
@akrifasouth you make a good point, but nothing compelling. you can base your argument on an assumption about what the people would or would not have edited. i mean, the fact that the bible has been changed dramatically over time is indeed true... you're speaking of the OT while im referring to the possible effects of the myths on Christ's story.
this is just one of the many reasons why i feel the bible is not worthy of being called truth...let alone the word of god
@BigBallaShotCalla15 The Word of God does not mean scripture, but refers to Christ. Those biblical scribblings are not even the tiniest fraction of The Word. At best, They are an introductory love letter to The Word. Perhaps your dislike of scripture arises out of a literalist American-centric understanding of scripture (which, I agree, is more a lack of understanding).The NT did indeed metamorphose - but the remarkable thing is not what they do not agree upon, but by what they DO agree upon
@akrifasouth well... on what criterion do we refer to Christ as the word of God? The bible... and if the bible is incorrect on many things, why must we assume that it is correct about jesus? No, my understanding of the entire Christian faith... the all loving benevolent god who throws people in a lake of fire for eternity. You are free to feel that the God of the bible is in any way benign, and im free to show you how he's not.
@BigBallaShotCalla15 The Lake of Fire is an allegory. Scripture is poetry. If you say in a poem "Your pains are burning coals" - does it mean you have burning coals inside you? Biblical literalists give Christianity a vulgar name, and you are right to rebuke them. Freedom means unrestrained freedom of the will - to maim, to murder, to plunder to disbelieve... or to love, to create, and to nurture faith. There are surely consequences to these choices, but torture is not one of them.
@akrifasouth was it allegory when God goes on genocidal rampages in the old testament? and if it is allegory, then on what grounds do we decide what part of the bible is true? you say "well hell isnt a literal lake of fire.... its allegory"
if you say the whole book is allegory, then none of it is literal, so why should we consider the part where jesus says he and god are one as literal? I dont think its the literalists that give Christianty a bad name....
@BigBallaShotCalla15 Those genocidal rampages you refer to were, in many instance, unhistorical or exaggerations. The Exodus, for example, has hardly the scantest basis in historical or archaeological fact. God did not write scripture. It was written by man using his understanding of what God wanted. The Bible contains the most heinous atrocities - many of them factual. But what historical account does not? Do we say all men are evil because of Hitler? Of course not. Why say this of God?
@akrifasouth Ok you cannot pick and choose what you want to believe as fact and what you want to believe is fantasy about the Bible. Essentially, what you're saying is that men wrote the bible from their understanding of god, a god that i think they in fact created. Your statements only enforce the idea that the god of the bible is only a figment of the imaginations of the people of wrote it.
@BigBallaShotCalla15 No picking and choosing at all. Believe those parts that are historical, as history, and believe those parts that are allegorical, as allegory. These days, using modern science and historiography, it is very easy to establish which is which. Of course, there are matters that defy science - that, alas, is left to the individual to wrestle with. I know of Christians who do not actually "believe" in a single miracle, but are nevertheless devoted Christians.
@BigBallaShotCalla15 "Ok you cannot pick and choose what you want to believe as fact and what you want to believe is fantasy about the Bible"
I'm assuming you don't follow the Bible, but I don't see why you're telling people how to interpret it. The bible wasn't written by one author and with one specific purpose. There's history, poetry, laws, culture, etc. It's not one homogenous text.
@akrifasouth So when it speaks of dead saints rising from their graves when Christ rose, is this too an allegory? Then what exactly does it mean? Also, Biblically speaking, the lake of fire wasn't an allegory. It was a real place.
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John Gwyn Griffiths " Pyramid Text line 632"
isis "placed opon thy phallus and thy seed comes forth into her"
NOT A VIRGIN BIRTH, , Deuteronomy 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
@TheTrollFU Are you people copying and pasting the same message? The reference in the pyramid texts is refering to Soptet, the Ba of Isis. Not Isis herself. In any image or reference to the conception of Horus, it's always the Ba-spirit shown or referd to. It was always a virgin birth. Isis is even refered to as a virgin (hwnt) at Abydos -- and this is also applied to other goddesses in the Pyramid texts.
@danieljliversLXXXIX Actually (hwnt) at Abydos referes to Isis being a "MAIDEN" not a "VIRGIN" .
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listen to "acharya s back peddle on her "zeitgeist sources and claims"
Deuteronomy 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
@ALEXSW46 Fail. The birthdate of Horus was Choiak, which fell to different times because of the wandering nature of the Egyptian calendar. But it became fixed to Dec. 25th when the Egyptians adopted the Alexandrian calendar (about 25 years before the common era).
"Osiris is the father of Horus." Your point? God was Jesus' father. Isis was a virgin goddesses in the sense that she concieved Horus by divine means (her Ba). She had no other children.
@danieljliversLXXXIX - Jesus prophesized the fall of Jerusalem a generation after his own. Who fulfills this prophecy? Titus.
Jesus prophesies Simon will die in Rome and that John will be spared. Titus kills the rebel leader Simon and spares the rebel leader John - after the fall Jerusalem.
The story of Jesus was based on the march of Titus and then back-dated a generation earlier. The synoptic gospels where written under Vespasian (the father) and Titus (the good son).
@Franknarfable Interestingly enough Josephus, (whom most use as evidence for a historical Jesus, or misuse) believed Vespasian to be the true Messiah.
@danieljliversLXXXIX - Josephus was clearly in on the deception. He provides historicity for Jesus and John the Baptist, i doubt they ever existed. It seems that the Jesus Christian movement (Romans) stole the history of the zealots (Jews).
Vespasian, Titus and Domitian make up the Flavius Trinity. The next Emperor of Rome (41 emperors later) to honor the name Flavius was Constantine. What a coincidence.
When Gerald Massey made the claims that this video is based on, he asked 20 leading Egyptologists in the universities in the USA, UK, Australia, Germany, and Austria to verify the claims. They unanimous dismissed them as "fringe nonsense" and untrue, stating that "egyptology has the unenviable distinction of being one of those disciplines that almost anyone can lay claim to, and the unfortunate distinction of being probably the one most beleaguered by false prophets." in response. AKA. He Lied.
When Gerald Massey made the claims that this video is based on, he asked 20 leading Egyptologists in the universities in the USA, UK, Australia, Germany, and Austria to verify the claims. They unanimous dismissed them as "fringe nonsense" and untrue, stating that "egyptology has the unenviable distinction of being one of those disciplines that almost anyone can lay claim to, and the unfortunate distinction of being probably the one most beleaguered by false prophets." in response. AKA. He Lied.
Interesting, but you do know Massey, whose claims this entire video is based on, has been rebutted since the day he made them. Just read up on him. Practically everything mentioned can be proven to be false or speculative at least, the dating is incorrect and most of the events and titles are completely fabricated. We were taught about Masseys theories in school and how they are based on speculation, I find it funny that people older actually believe them without seeing archeological proof.
@AngelOfSephiroth They aren't speculative. Massey was well versed in Egyptology and had support from others in his day. And since then he has been proven all but incorrect. Christianity is the sum of the Pagan mysteries.
@danieljliversLXXXIX "Massey was well versed in Egyptology" - This is true. "and had support from others in his day. " - This is not. His theory was panned by all 20 of its reviewers, this is a well known fact. If he had support, why did so many top Egyptologists call it 'complete nosense'? "And since then he has been proven all but incorrect." - Can you cite references of scholars or scholarly works/journals that back it up? All I tend to find are people who write nonsense 'pop-spirituality'.
@AngelOfSephiroth Massey had the support from Birch, a well respected Egyptologists of his day, and a few others whose names escape me at the moment. I'm assuming the "twenty" reviewers you're refering to are the twenty Egyptologists Gasque contacted to varify his claims; and out of the twenty only two are named, and he never showed what exactly they said.
@danieljliversLXXXIX And please not Tom Thompson, Tom Harper or Earl Doherty, genuine academic Egyptology that write genuine academically accepted works, not pop-history for women on busses. I mean the burden of proof is on you to support with with GENUINE academic works such as leading Archeologists (of whom 99.9% laugh of Massey's theory as a joke in bad taste.) if you claim it is backed up by them, Since all I ever hear from university journals is that it is an unsubstantiated (dead) theory.
Actually, Jesus is represented as the "healer" god in most religions. His Westernized picture of him as a white man is identical to the earlier Pagan healing gods.
Christ did exist. Just look at any academic encyclopedia. Historians and scholars (which I am) all agree that Christ lived, died on the cross, as is responsible for the religion named after Him. Historians view Christ from a secular point of view (meaning they reject His miracles), but they all agree He was a real person. There is just too much evidence to say otherwise
@truthforchrist Not responding to me directly to make sure you go off as the victor? All of the proofs and arguments from people who cling to their professional titles (as if these somehow changes the make-up of reality) are nothing but clouds of smoke. There is no evidence to support a historical Christ as he is portrayed in the Gospel, and taking away his sdivinity takes away the reason why people should accept him. Really you people burn the candle at both ends.
@danieljliversLXXXIX 1) I was responding from my phone, and I don't have the option of directly responding to someone. I can type a general reply, or I can send a private message. Unless you know something about Iphone 4 that I dont.
2) Since this is your video, any reply will be seen by you, so it would be impossible for me to write a reply and keep it hidden from you. There for, I can't "go off as the victor". Please think a bit before making such a stupid statement.
personaly i dont choose religion just because there is so many reasons and flaws in the bible that makes me not believe the first bible was written by a monk which is not the same bible as todays bible and no one has ever seen it! and over the years the bible has changed 1 word at a time to get to what we have today wait another 50 to 60 years and im sure there will be a new page on some new event or disaster that they claim to have predicted around the time of jesus sorry
@truthforchrist Where do you people come from? Not only is his birth non-sexual (The ba of Isis absorbed the ka from Osiris' corpes to produce Horus, which is attested to in the Pyramid texts and imagery), she is refered to as the great hwn.t/virgin on the walls of Seti the first's temple at Abydos. (Along with Nut in the Pyramid texts). It hasn't been ripped to shreds, debunked, or anything of the kind.
@danieljliversLXXXIX Part 1: Have you actually watched the zeitgeist movie? The entire movie trys to claim that Jesus being the "Son" of God is equal to the "sun". The entire movie falls apart right there since in Kione Greek, Aramaic, Hebrew and Latin, those words are not similar. The movie is based on 2 english words and if you applied the same exact arguement to a 2000 year old middle eastern language, the entire arguement falls apart.
@danieljliversLXXXIX Part 2: Historians have called the movie "plainly and simply bogus". The fact is, no ancient source has any of the parrells mentioned in this video. EVERYTHING in your video comes from ONE source, and is not backed up by historical evidence.
@truthforchrist The movie only states broad generalizations. Most of the similarities comes from the Pyramids and Coffin texts, but can also be found in assorted imagery and rituals, such as the raising of the djed and crossing the deceased over the Nile to reach the land of the dead (which was apart of their purification rites). And by reading ancient historians you'll see that these gods eventually became conflated with eachother, despite the differences.
@danieljliversLXXXIX The thing is, I have read the ancient histories. And they don't match up with what is in this video. And the Sun/son claim is the basis for the entire first part of Zeitgeist. The entire movie attempts to portray Jesus's life with solar movements through the constilations, the sun through the sky and it's location as the seasons change. That is the basis for everything, which is why the movie fails.
Historians are in agreement that Christ did live died on the cross
@truthforchrist The solar nature of Christ and the sun/son correlation are two different things, and this film doesn't rely on the latter as an actual argument. As I said it was used to make a point.
The Christ was never real. It was a Jewish rendition of the Pagan philosophy of the logos, the god-head manifesting in the world. And these historians usually try to reduce him to the level of a common man. Which is it? He never existed, and appealing to authority what change that.
He always taught us towards goodness. I believe that Horus and Jesus come from the same place. because they receive the same instruction. of the same god. But at the time of Jesus He has opened the eyes of the world of the gods rule, until today. Let us look years now, many people began to fight about religion. I think if the cycle is complete, God will send prophets to solve the problem of religion present. I'm sure the story remains the same.
@kingmafi6699 If no religion, no compass of life. what calendar you use now? calendar used today based on what? why the year is always changing? why now is not the year 200, why not in 5678. and why now should be in 2011? If there is no God who created the world? who created the aliens?
every life there must be a cause. why so many galaxi? whether humans can create galaxi? can man create the earth?
@kingmafi6699 whether humans can make a ball the size of the earth? then start swinging all life in it. If humans can do .. I think god does not exist. (and say you wish)
And I don't see how the formation of planets proves god. It's flawed logic.
Planets are formed over billions of years after the formation of suns through asteroids continously being caught up in gravitational pull and violently crushing into each other.
@kingmafi6699 Can you tell me the exact date, when plenet formed? how asteroids are created and how gravity is created in space? Where do asteroids come from?
Asteroids are presumed to be remnants of matter that did not clump during the formation of the solar system. They are composed of rock, dust, and metal. When asteroids are first formed, the metal sinks to the center forming a metal core.
@danieljliversLXXXIX who have no idea are people who do not know God. How was space created? where is the end of the space, please give a logical answer.
@pointofviewification Argument from ignorance -- substituting "God" for an answer where one isn't apparent -- isn't logical. You're not asking a profound question.
@srspower medieval people knew the answer, I hope you read the history of humanity. The answer is already there. Just that you do not see the answer. boy of 10 years shall answer this question. why you can not answer?, you realize, all that is in the world must have its cause. if you say "computer" is great, then it would have created the computer. as well as in the case of space ... there must be a creator
Do you know what a weeble is? Neither do i. Saying 'weebles do exist' makes the same sense as what you just said.
How can it be accurate when you can't even define what it is. You have no idea what a 'god' is and you can not define it so it is not a answer to anything.
This event is already planned by God. Every 3000 years the world must be approached by the prophet. I believe the story is always the same. This is the cycle of prophets.
@BibleJesusChristian Maybe you've spent your believeing in foolish things and not looking for knowledge of the real world? What's so great about eternal live anyway?
every 3000 years the world must be purified. that's why the story of Horus the same Jesus. not impossible possible, in the year 3000 there may be a prophet come down earth. I think at the time the story jesus extinct, due to ignorance of world domination
@concerto35 Jesus Christ's life death and resurrection are the most documented facts in the annals of antiquity. The Bible is the most documented book of all ancient history. Coming in a far second is the Illiad. The Bible is the best seller in both the ancient world and the modern world.
If you read the story of pagan mythology it flows like imaginary stories or
distorted history. But if you read the life story of Christ the credibility is
greater because it actully happened and flows like natural events - miracles can be documented. Mythology has an unreal flow. Besides the Greek, Roman and Jewish writers tell of Jesus. They are Lucius, Thallus, Suetonius, Pliny the Younger, Tacitus and Josephus plus the Apostolic fathers confirm the historicity of Jesus.
Friend in the course of history and everyday existence these phenomenon occur. Hitler was a type of antichrist. Nero was a type of antichrist. Apollonius of Tyana - the miracle worker - was a type of antichrist. All of the
above-mentioned had a physical existence. But listen to this: they in no way
cancelled out the real existence of Jesus Christ. In the Bible, there are
positive types and shadows of Christ: Moses,Joshua; Jospeh, Samson etc.
Abraham Lincoln was elected to congress in 1846. Kennedy was elected in 1946. Lincoln was a runner up for his party's nomination in 1856, for Kennedy it was 1956. Lincoln was elected president in 1860, and Kennedy became president in 1960. Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy and Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln. Both presidents were shot in the back of their heads while seated next to their wives. The presidents suceeding them were Andrew Johnson and Lynden Johnson.
@Riste1986 The false god of the sun aka Horus. I mean we have billions (Christianity #1 religion) followers of Jesus and none of Horus, you should ask yourself why.
I am during an indepth study on these parallels. There are no clear-cut straight forward parallels between Jesus' life and the mythological gods. It is be a total fabrication with an agenda to undermind the Christian faith. I became astonished at the mendacity, and the lack of intellectual integrity of non-christian scholars. Through self-hypnosis their myths could destroy minds and souls alike. Where are their facts? They have none!
The son of God is returning to the HEART of men...........The son of God will not return to EARTH.actually, the other one his enemy will return.The father of the Christians the Anti-Christ will be coming soon.Be aware.
These pagan parallels were begun in Germany in 1910 by Richard Reitzenstein who mistakenly likened Christ 's resurrection to Mithras. Mithras did not die, he sacrificed a bull and experienced no death and resurrection on the 3rd day. There is no evidence that Mithraism influencing 1st century Christianity. The church Fathers from Justin Martyr to Tertullian denounced Mithraism as a satanic imitation. Read: " The Case for the Real Jesus" by Lee Strobel.
@TheJooksy in a text in the Abydos temple of Seti Isis declares "Im the Great Virgin"
in the glyphs of Denderah, are glyphs depicting the sex between isis and Osiris, the glyph shows Isis sending out her Bah (spirit), Sothis or sirius ) a hawk being seated and inseminated on Osiris Phallus and then returning back to isis. the sex was nonphysical leavin isis' virginity in tact.
Even the Talmud which is hostlie towards Jesus, says he existed. The apocryphal Gospels did not deny that Jesus performed those miracles. There is an undeniable factual basis that any intelligent and spiritually astute person would accept concerning Jesus Christ's existence.
Those myths were incorporated into mythology from Christianity by un scrupulous, probably atheistic researchers. All of these fabricated mythological tales originated after the 1st century.
YES, THERE ARE MANY FALSE PARALLELS CREATED TO DECEIVE THE UNWARY. SATAN IS A GREAT COUNTERFEITER. THIS IS ONE OF WAYS IN WHICH HE ENTRAPS ATHEISTS AND AGNOSTICS.
One of the greatest archaeologists of all time , William Albright, claimed that
he has never discovered anythng in his FIELD that disproved or contradicted
@concerto35 even if we proved for a fact that the idea of horus existed before christ, which we have, and proved it had all of these jesus-like attributes, to a christian, that doesn't prove jesus false, it just proves horus at least the idea true. That is why he might say nothing has been discovered to disprove the bible, it has been discovered, however that the idea of a jesus like son of god has existed before jesus. you can twist that to mean whatever you want.
@parkerthehicks : I think that I have found some unusual factual evidence. Look at the youtube video "The Holy Family in Egypt " It is a series. Start with part 1.
@concerto35 ignoring for a minute the out-right lies in your post, don't you see it as a little ironic that you as a christian are calling scientist self deluded and condemning them for not basing their decisions in facts. As a christian you should love that, even though it isn't true
@parkerthehicks : Maybe I should be a little more tactful or diplomatic in my approach, and others would be more receptive. I love the people as a Christian. However, I shudder at the possibly of people losing their souls, because some one deluded them into thinking that, Jesus, their saviour, was not real. Salvation is the most precious possession we have. The Bible says: "work out your salvation with fear and trembling."
There are some people today that believe that Jesus never performed all those miracles. Some of the higher critics of the faith do not believe that Jesus even existed or that all of the words attributed to Him in the 4 gosples are really His. However, there were the early church Fathers who existed at the time of the apostles and were even students of them. These apostolic fathers were witnesses to the phenomenon of Jesus Christ - God incarnate.
One such person was St. Ignatius of Antioch. He was a student of the Apostle John and it is believed that St Peter appointed him to his post. This is what he said of Jesus: Jesus was baptized by John; Jesus performed miracles; Jesus was crucified; Jesus was laid in a tomb and Jesus rose from the dead.
What better person to learn about the reality of Jesus than his apostles. It is this kind of extra-biblical evidence that critics ignore. It is because they are deceived into wishful thinking and wilfull ignorace.
There is archaeological evidence substantiating the life of Christ - none for Horus. The Greek, Roman and Jewish writers say Jesus is real. In the Library of Congress, there is a letter written by Pontius Pilate to Tiberius describing Jesus physical appearance and also telling of the great miracles that he worked. Other writers are Phegon, Suetonius and Pliny the Younger. Josephus was the first century historian who gave an account of the miracles and Jesus' resurrection.
@Acroman12 : I could not get the link to come up. But Please slot in this title and you could come up with Pontius Pilate's letter: LETTER TO TIBERIUS CAESAR FROM PONTIUS PILATE
@concerto35 Actually the only evidence are Roman records that a man named Jesus lived and died. The end. Nothing more and no specifics. And as far as the last sentence, who cares? If i "back up" witnessing miracles right now, in a few centuries are my statements credible just because it was centuries ago? You haven't made a single point.
First off NO ONE knows the day Jesus was born. Also Isis wasn't a virgin. Second the Bible never says how many wisemen came. Also the 3 stars are of Orion's belt and Sirius is east of those lmao not west. Meaning that it's the 3 stars then the Sirius star. Third Horus was NEVER baptized as he wasn't a JEW lmao. Horus didn't even have an age and he was not known as the Lamb of God. Horus was never crucified. It didn't exist back then. :-P
Judaism and Christianity and Islam all Ibrahimic religion are the most primitive religions did not contribute any thing to raise human consciousness they made people more unconscious.
@01242692723 For one, there isn't a "sonday" and Christians worship Jesus on any day, not just sunday. That was established because it was the day of his resurrection. I don't know of any text that says mithra and horus were worshipped on sunday.
@01242692723 Much of that is dependent on the language you speak, in this case English. "Sun" and "son" won't have a similar spelling or pronounciation in other languages. Plus, in other languages, the fifth day isn't named after Thor, but Jupiter. In the Romance languages, the sixth day is named after Venus (French: vendredi).
What if Jesus is the rebirth of Horrus? what if Jesus is Horrus including other gods such as Attis,Mithra, Krishna,Dionysus etc. Cant this be taken as a sign that the christ has been returning after he was sacrificed in Egypt Henceforth he was sacrificed in other cultures after few years yet again... i might not be right, but that`s just my opinion.
Your doctrine is of occultists. Unfortunately they wrote the guidelines for the UN as well. Any greek or catholic jesus with a sun or light around his head is allready been proven false by real followers of YAWESHUA.CHECK your sources with your heart for it has been poisoned by false christs and princes of tyre.
I can't believe I believed this crap at one time.. sooo many straight up lies its stupid.
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This is brilliant. Unfortunately other Atheists pretty much will watch stuff like this and find it interesting, because religious people are so close-minded it's sad. Humans have amazing minds and the ability to think freely and obtain so much knowledge, yet the bible closes people off from that, and keeps them from thinking for themselves and consider other possibilities. Science and History is amazing!!! Put down your bible and open your eyes.
maria13231323 12 hours ago
why are all these people are white lmao... white Egyptian
BUILDERPOWER 1 month ago
I'm not really religious or anything but the whole december 25th thing is laughable... this guy doesn't know shit. Will some one make a video that is not a half assed piece of shit?
JtotheKify 1 month ago
@JtotheKify How is it laughable? It's a fact that ancient cultures practiced winter solstice celebrations, and that the Christians later picked it up and grafted it onto the Christ myth.
danieljliversLXXXIX 1 day ago
Allah was a grey alien
reallysorry390 1 month ago
There is no correlation between the God of Universe and the religions. Religions try to claim they were sent by the "God of Universe", Why Stone tables, Why not at least an IPad..
Allah was the Moon God of Egypt. Christ was the Sun God of Egypt.
Arabs liked the moon, since days were hot, so Sun God was out. Moon lite was cool, they could deal with it, it was the symbol of fertility (Women Period Cycle) etc.
We can see the Moon and Sun gods in China, Egypt, South America! They are still here!
Eventoast 1 month ago
Be very careful, alot of people dont actually confirm their information. The story of Horus is found in the Egyptian Book Of The Dead, I advise you read it. Dont get information from someone else who also didnt read the book therefore giving you false information. Nowhere does it say that Isis was a virgin, or that it was announced by a star in the east and attended by 3 wise men. There are some parallels, but do your research first.
MrKatelloMande 2 months ago
@MrKatelloMande Note that the Book of the Dead, like the Pyramid nexts doesn't contain a straight forward narative. It was funerary and only contains allusions to a myth. Also there are other sources for the myths of Horus and Osiris. Sources that do state that Isis was a virgin and that his birth was announced by a Soptet (Sirius), and that his birth was attended by Re and both kings of upper and lower Egypt.
danieljliversLXXXIX 2 months ago
@danieljliversLXXXIX please provide me with these sources if possible, would really like to read up more on it. Thanx
MrKatelloMande 2 months ago
@MrKatelloMande On the walls of Abydos Isis refers to herself as hwnt. (There's also passages in the Pyramid texts that refers to Nut as hwnt, which means virgin.) Phoenician gemstones dated to around the fourth century BCE also depict a star over the new born Horus, with Re and the kings of upper and lower Egypt present.
danieljliversLXXXIX 2 months ago
Wasn't Ra the "Sun God"?
ProgThrashDeathCore 2 months ago
@ProgThrashDeathCore Yes and no. There were muiltible deities, or neters, who represented different aspects of the sun. Horus was one of these aspects; and not just by being conflated with Re.
danieljliversLXXXIX 2 months ago
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Some christians say that Horus is fake. But Horus existed before Jesus and Jesus visited Egypt when he was a child. So I bet Jesus read some books about Horus.
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akrifasouth 2 months ago
@akrifasouth look at where jesus' life took place...look at where horus' life took place. You dont think people living that close knew about the stories?
There's no way you can say that the authors of the NT knew that (we dont even know who the authors were). Second, the NT was written more than a decade after jesus' death. That means, through all those years, the story of jesus was all hearsay....being born only a few miles away from where horus' took place
BigBallaShotCalla15 2 months ago
@BigBallaShotCalla15 Literacy was very rare. If you were literate, you were part of a tiny minority. And if you wrote in Greek, or Coptic, you would - without a doubt - have learned the classics, which means an education in all things Hellenistic. Considering the fact that the Hellenistic Empire covered most of the areas where these biblical stories evolved, the stories would most certainly be influenced by them in both imagery, metaphor and style. Your theory is bunk. Learn your history.
akrifasouth 2 months ago
@BigBallaShotCalla15 The fact that the stories are so similar is understandable because the authors were influenced by the culture of the surrounding Hellenistic (or Roman) culture. The Egyptian pantheon has its Greek counterparts - as mentioned by Herodotus (a text extremely well known at the time). It seems that Christ, and the authors of the NT, purposely imitated the actions contained in these mythologies. The only difference being that he was a real person. He is the myth that came true
akrifasouth 2 months ago
Being literate in the first century did not necessarily make you a historian, but rather a linguist. Christ's story was influenced by Horus' story, which took place 1200 years before Christ was born. I feel the people who were spreading the NT as word of mouth may have sprinkled, if you will, the miraculous bits of Horus' tale (as well as Mithra, Krishna, and a bunch of other historical characters who had the same bio. as Jesus) See Bart Erhman's take on this, then tell me to learn my history
BigBallaShotCalla15 2 months ago
@BigBallaShotCalla15 Of course they used those myths. When you wish to spread a new idea, you do it by using already-existing mythology. What makes Christianity unique is not the execution of its man-god, but his degrading execution - one that was not glorious but one that was called "accursed" by the Torah: "for he is accursed of God that hangs on a pole" Why keep this politically uncomfortable part of the myth, unless that myth is indeed true? There's more here than meets the eye
akrifasouth 2 months ago
@akrifasouth but then the Biblical God is basically cursing himself. I think it's a bit inaccurate to say christ's execution was a degrading one...since the cross is essentially what gave him the title of 'Lord.' Even at the time of christ, many of his followers saw the crucifixion as the necessary fulfillment of 'prophecy.' So the statement thar christ's crucifixion was unique in that it was a degrading one is fallacious
BigBallaShotCalla15 2 months ago
@BigBallaShotCalla15 Deuteronomy 21:23. specifically speaks of the degradation of public execution. If you are going to promote a Jewish Messiah, why not edit out this "uncomfortable" little detail in order to win over more converts who would otherwise be put off by a fate "cursed of God." Unless this actually happened, the gospel writers would most certainly not have felt obliged to retain this detail. They would instead, have followed the classical, myth model - as they did elsewhere
akrifasouth 2 months ago
@BigBallaShotCalla15 Christ had the title of Lord long before his crucifixion. Yes, the biblical God was indeed cursing himself - that is the whole point! It shows you that the crucifixion of Christ was a real event, or else they would certainly have edited it out - why retain such an ungodly fate in your religious texts? If it did not happen, you would feel no compunction about changing the details to suit your idea of what Christ SHOULD be like. And if Christ's fate is true...what else is?
akrifasouth 2 months ago
@akrifasouth you make a good point, but nothing compelling. you can base your argument on an assumption about what the people would or would not have edited. i mean, the fact that the bible has been changed dramatically over time is indeed true... you're speaking of the OT while im referring to the possible effects of the myths on Christ's story.
this is just one of the many reasons why i feel the bible is not worthy of being called truth...let alone the word of god
BigBallaShotCalla15 2 months ago
@BigBallaShotCalla15 The Word of God does not mean scripture, but refers to Christ. Those biblical scribblings are not even the tiniest fraction of The Word. At best, They are an introductory love letter to The Word. Perhaps your dislike of scripture arises out of a literalist American-centric understanding of scripture (which, I agree, is more a lack of understanding).The NT did indeed metamorphose - but the remarkable thing is not what they do not agree upon, but by what they DO agree upon
akrifasouth 2 months ago
@akrifasouth well... on what criterion do we refer to Christ as the word of God? The bible... and if the bible is incorrect on many things, why must we assume that it is correct about jesus? No, my understanding of the entire Christian faith... the all loving benevolent god who throws people in a lake of fire for eternity. You are free to feel that the God of the bible is in any way benign, and im free to show you how he's not.
BigBallaShotCalla15 2 months ago
@BigBallaShotCalla15 The Lake of Fire is an allegory. Scripture is poetry. If you say in a poem "Your pains are burning coals" - does it mean you have burning coals inside you? Biblical literalists give Christianity a vulgar name, and you are right to rebuke them. Freedom means unrestrained freedom of the will - to maim, to murder, to plunder to disbelieve... or to love, to create, and to nurture faith. There are surely consequences to these choices, but torture is not one of them.
akrifasouth 2 months ago
@akrifasouth was it allegory when God goes on genocidal rampages in the old testament? and if it is allegory, then on what grounds do we decide what part of the bible is true? you say "well hell isnt a literal lake of fire.... its allegory"
if you say the whole book is allegory, then none of it is literal, so why should we consider the part where jesus says he and god are one as literal? I dont think its the literalists that give Christianty a bad name....
BigBallaShotCalla15 2 months ago
@BigBallaShotCalla15 Those genocidal rampages you refer to were, in many instance, unhistorical or exaggerations. The Exodus, for example, has hardly the scantest basis in historical or archaeological fact. God did not write scripture. It was written by man using his understanding of what God wanted. The Bible contains the most heinous atrocities - many of them factual. But what historical account does not? Do we say all men are evil because of Hitler? Of course not. Why say this of God?
akrifasouth 2 months ago
@akrifasouth Ok you cannot pick and choose what you want to believe as fact and what you want to believe is fantasy about the Bible. Essentially, what you're saying is that men wrote the bible from their understanding of god, a god that i think they in fact created. Your statements only enforce the idea that the god of the bible is only a figment of the imaginations of the people of wrote it.
BigBallaShotCalla15 2 months ago
@BigBallaShotCalla15 No picking and choosing at all. Believe those parts that are historical, as history, and believe those parts that are allegorical, as allegory. These days, using modern science and historiography, it is very easy to establish which is which. Of course, there are matters that defy science - that, alas, is left to the individual to wrestle with. I know of Christians who do not actually "believe" in a single miracle, but are nevertheless devoted Christians.
akrifasouth 2 months ago
@BigBallaShotCalla15 "Ok you cannot pick and choose what you want to believe as fact and what you want to believe is fantasy about the Bible"
I'm assuming you don't follow the Bible, but I don't see why you're telling people how to interpret it. The bible wasn't written by one author and with one specific purpose. There's history, poetry, laws, culture, etc. It's not one homogenous text.
wildstyle2192 3 weeks ago
@akrifasouth So when it speaks of dead saints rising from their graves when Christ rose, is this too an allegory? Then what exactly does it mean? Also, Biblically speaking, the lake of fire wasn't an allegory. It was a real place.
danieljliversLXXXIX 1 day ago
@sunzgunz Inooo maaan thesee lot dont wanna listen..bunch of sundaras akhi
lakersrule6 3 months ago
@lakersrule6 Even mrs kells knows the truth
lakersrule6 3 months ago
@lakersrule6 tell them even mrs kells knows the truth HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
sunzgunz 3 months ago
@sunzgunz hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa only if dis was a top comment
lakersrule6 3 months ago
search for: The 'Real' Zeitgeist Challenge" DEBUNKED
John Gwyn Griffiths " Pyramid Text line 632"
isis "placed opon thy phallus and thy seed comes forth into her"
NOT A VIRGIN BIRTH, , Deuteronomy 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
search for: Zeitgeist addendum is NWO propaganda
TheTrollFU 4 months ago
@TheTrollFU Are you people copying and pasting the same message? The reference in the pyramid texts is refering to Soptet, the Ba of Isis. Not Isis herself. In any image or reference to the conception of Horus, it's always the Ba-spirit shown or referd to. It was always a virgin birth. Isis is even refered to as a virgin (hwnt) at Abydos -- and this is also applied to other goddesses in the Pyramid texts.
danieljliversLXXXIX 4 months ago
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@danieljliversLXXXIX Actually (hwnt) at Abydos referes to Isis being a "MAIDEN" not a "VIRGIN" .
search for: The 'Real' Zeitgeist Challenge" DEBUNKED
listen to "acharya s back peddle on her "zeitgeist sources and claims"
Deuteronomy 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
TheTrollFU 4 months ago
Check out the parallels in the Aimed At America 1 video. There are too many parallels for this revelation to be a false prophecy.
vincent15641 4 months ago
I stopped watching not that far in because the first example is false,
1. There is no known birthday of Horus
2. Osiris is the father of Horus, Isis was not a virgin she had other kids before Horus with her husband, Osiris.
You have Google I dont understand how you can be so ignorant, learn your facts before you waste your time making a video.
ALEXSW46 4 months ago
@ALEXSW46 Fail. The birthdate of Horus was Choiak, which fell to different times because of the wandering nature of the Egyptian calendar. But it became fixed to Dec. 25th when the Egyptians adopted the Alexandrian calendar (about 25 years before the common era).
"Osiris is the father of Horus." Your point? God was Jesus' father. Isis was a virgin goddesses in the sense that she concieved Horus by divine means (her Ba). She had no other children.
danieljliversLXXXIX 4 months ago
@danieljliversLXXXIX - Jesus prophesized the fall of Jerusalem a generation after his own. Who fulfills this prophecy? Titus.
Jesus prophesies Simon will die in Rome and that John will be spared. Titus kills the rebel leader Simon and spares the rebel leader John - after the fall Jerusalem.
The story of Jesus was based on the march of Titus and then back-dated a generation earlier. The synoptic gospels where written under Vespasian (the father) and Titus (the good son).
Franknarfable 4 months ago
@Franknarfable Interestingly enough Josephus, (whom most use as evidence for a historical Jesus, or misuse) believed Vespasian to be the true Messiah.
danieljliversLXXXIX 4 months ago
@danieljliversLXXXIX - Josephus was clearly in on the deception. He provides historicity for Jesus and John the Baptist, i doubt they ever existed. It seems that the Jesus Christian movement (Romans) stole the history of the zealots (Jews).
Vespasian, Titus and Domitian make up the Flavius Trinity. The next Emperor of Rome (41 emperors later) to honor the name Flavius was Constantine. What a coincidence.
Franknarfable 4 months ago
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When Gerald Massey made the claims that this video is based on, he asked 20 leading Egyptologists in the universities in the USA, UK, Australia, Germany, and Austria to verify the claims. They unanimous dismissed them as "fringe nonsense" and untrue, stating that "egyptology has the unenviable distinction of being one of those disciplines that almost anyone can lay claim to, and the unfortunate distinction of being probably the one most beleaguered by false prophets." in response. AKA. He Lied.
AngelOfSephiroth 4 months ago
When Gerald Massey made the claims that this video is based on, he asked 20 leading Egyptologists in the universities in the USA, UK, Australia, Germany, and Austria to verify the claims. They unanimous dismissed them as "fringe nonsense" and untrue, stating that "egyptology has the unenviable distinction of being one of those disciplines that almost anyone can lay claim to, and the unfortunate distinction of being probably the one most beleaguered by false prophets." in response. AKA. He Lied.
AngelOfSephiroth 4 months ago
Interesting, but you do know Massey, whose claims this entire video is based on, has been rebutted since the day he made them. Just read up on him. Practically everything mentioned can be proven to be false or speculative at least, the dating is incorrect and most of the events and titles are completely fabricated. We were taught about Masseys theories in school and how they are based on speculation, I find it funny that people older actually believe them without seeing archeological proof.
AngelOfSephiroth 4 months ago
@AngelOfSephiroth They aren't speculative. Massey was well versed in Egyptology and had support from others in his day. And since then he has been proven all but incorrect. Christianity is the sum of the Pagan mysteries.
danieljliversLXXXIX 4 months ago
@danieljliversLXXXIX "Massey was well versed in Egyptology" - This is true. "and had support from others in his day. " - This is not. His theory was panned by all 20 of its reviewers, this is a well known fact. If he had support, why did so many top Egyptologists call it 'complete nosense'? "And since then he has been proven all but incorrect." - Can you cite references of scholars or scholarly works/journals that back it up? All I tend to find are people who write nonsense 'pop-spirituality'.
AngelOfSephiroth 4 months ago
@AngelOfSephiroth Massey had the support from Birch, a well respected Egyptologists of his day, and a few others whose names escape me at the moment. I'm assuming the "twenty" reviewers you're refering to are the twenty Egyptologists Gasque contacted to varify his claims; and out of the twenty only two are named, and he never showed what exactly they said.
danieljliversLXXXIX 4 months ago
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@AngelOfSephiroth "Can you cite references of scholars or scholarly works/journals that back it up?" Sure.
Louis V. Zabkar, Erik Hournung, Raymond O. Faulkner, J.P. Allen, Wallis Budge, just off the top of my head. I'll come back with more latter.
danieljliversLXXXIX 4 months ago
@danieljliversLXXXIX And please not Tom Thompson, Tom Harper or Earl Doherty, genuine academic Egyptology that write genuine academically accepted works, not pop-history for women on busses. I mean the burden of proof is on you to support with with GENUINE academic works such as leading Archeologists (of whom 99.9% laugh of Massey's theory as a joke in bad taste.) if you claim it is backed up by them, Since all I ever hear from university journals is that it is an unsubstantiated (dead) theory.
AngelOfSephiroth 4 months ago
@AngelOfSephiroth You're really not in a position to argue burden of proof.
danieljliversLXXXIX 4 months ago
Actually, Jesus is represented as the "healer" god in most religions. His Westernized picture of him as a white man is identical to the earlier Pagan healing gods.
SuperFunnyman11 4 months ago
Christ did exist. Just look at any academic encyclopedia. Historians and scholars (which I am) all agree that Christ lived, died on the cross, as is responsible for the religion named after Him. Historians view Christ from a secular point of view (meaning they reject His miracles), but they all agree He was a real person. There is just too much evidence to say otherwise
truthforchrist 4 months ago
@truthforchrist Not responding to me directly to make sure you go off as the victor? All of the proofs and arguments from people who cling to their professional titles (as if these somehow changes the make-up of reality) are nothing but clouds of smoke. There is no evidence to support a historical Christ as he is portrayed in the Gospel, and taking away his sdivinity takes away the reason why people should accept him. Really you people burn the candle at both ends.
danieljliversLXXXIX 4 months ago
@danieljliversLXXXIX 1) I was responding from my phone, and I don't have the option of directly responding to someone. I can type a general reply, or I can send a private message. Unless you know something about Iphone 4 that I dont.
2) Since this is your video, any reply will be seen by you, so it would be impossible for me to write a reply and keep it hidden from you. There for, I can't "go off as the victor". Please think a bit before making such a stupid statement.
truthforchrist 4 months ago
@truthforchrist Fool. It's not my video.
danieljliversLXXXIX 4 months ago
personaly i dont choose religion just because there is so many reasons and flaws in the bible that makes me not believe the first bible was written by a monk which is not the same bible as todays bible and no one has ever seen it! and over the years the bible has changed 1 word at a time to get to what we have today wait another 50 to 60 years and im sure there will be a new page on some new event or disaster that they claim to have predicted around the time of jesus sorry
l33n3ss1989 4 months ago
The idea that Horus was born of a virgin is not attested to in anciet sources. Same thing applies to him being born on December 25th.
This information comes from that Zietgeist (sp) movie. That movie has been ripped to shreds by historians and scholars.
truthforchrist 4 months ago
@truthforchrist Where do you people come from? Not only is his birth non-sexual (The ba of Isis absorbed the ka from Osiris' corpes to produce Horus, which is attested to in the Pyramid texts and imagery), she is refered to as the great hwn.t/virgin on the walls of Seti the first's temple at Abydos. (Along with Nut in the Pyramid texts). It hasn't been ripped to shreds, debunked, or anything of the kind.
danieljliversLXXXIX 4 months ago
@danieljliversLXXXIX Part 1: Have you actually watched the zeitgeist movie? The entire movie trys to claim that Jesus being the "Son" of God is equal to the "sun". The entire movie falls apart right there since in Kione Greek, Aramaic, Hebrew and Latin, those words are not similar. The movie is based on 2 english words and if you applied the same exact arguement to a 2000 year old middle eastern language, the entire arguement falls apart.
truthforchrist 4 months ago
@truthforchrist The sun/son claim isn't the entire and isn't used as an argument. It's used to make a point. So this criticism went no where.
danieljliversLXXXIX 4 months ago
@danieljliversLXXXIX Part 2: Historians have called the movie "plainly and simply bogus". The fact is, no ancient source has any of the parrells mentioned in this video. EVERYTHING in your video comes from ONE source, and is not backed up by historical evidence.
truthforchrist 4 months ago
@truthforchrist The movie only states broad generalizations. Most of the similarities comes from the Pyramids and Coffin texts, but can also be found in assorted imagery and rituals, such as the raising of the djed and crossing the deceased over the Nile to reach the land of the dead (which was apart of their purification rites). And by reading ancient historians you'll see that these gods eventually became conflated with eachother, despite the differences.
danieljliversLXXXIX 4 months ago
@danieljliversLXXXIX The thing is, I have read the ancient histories. And they don't match up with what is in this video. And the Sun/son claim is the basis for the entire first part of Zeitgeist. The entire movie attempts to portray Jesus's life with solar movements through the constilations, the sun through the sky and it's location as the seasons change. That is the basis for everything, which is why the movie fails.
Historians are in agreement that Christ did live died on the cross
truthforchrist 4 months ago
@truthforchrist The solar nature of Christ and the sun/son correlation are two different things, and this film doesn't rely on the latter as an actual argument. As I said it was used to make a point.
The Christ was never real. It was a Jewish rendition of the Pagan philosophy of the logos, the god-head manifesting in the world. And these historians usually try to reduce him to the level of a common man. Which is it? He never existed, and appealing to authority what change that.
danieljliversLXXXIX 4 months ago
He always taught us towards goodness. I believe that Horus and Jesus come from the same place. because they receive the same instruction. of the same god. But at the time of Jesus He has opened the eyes of the world of the gods rule, until today. Let us look years now, many people began to fight about religion. I think if the cycle is complete, God will send prophets to solve the problem of religion present. I'm sure the story remains the same.
pointofviewification 4 months ago
@pointofviewification
No god is simply a figment of man's wild imagination.
man made god in his image.
kingmafi6699 4 months ago
@kingmafi6699 That's up to themselves. as long as the guide of life happiness can be felt. That is the purpose of God in the life
pointofviewification 4 months ago
@pointofviewification
Don't be delusional.
Just accept god is made up.
kingmafi6699 4 months ago
@kingmafi6699 If no religion, no compass of life. what calendar you use now? calendar used today based on what? why the year is always changing? why now is not the year 200, why not in 5678. and why now should be in 2011? If there is no God who created the world? who created the aliens?
every life there must be a cause. why so many galaxi? whether humans can create galaxi? can man create the earth?
pointofviewification 4 months ago
@kingmafi6699 whether humans can make a ball the size of the earth? then start swinging all life in it. If humans can do .. I think god does not exist. (and say you wish)
pointofviewification 4 months ago
@pointofviewification
We will be in about 200-300 years.
And I don't see how the formation of planets proves god. It's flawed logic.
Planets are formed over billions of years after the formation of suns through asteroids continously being caught up in gravitational pull and violently crushing into each other.
kingmafi6699 4 months ago
@kingmafi6699 Can you tell me the exact date, when plenet formed? how asteroids are created and how gravity is created in space? Where do asteroids come from?
pointofviewification 4 months ago
how asteroids could be in space?
pointofviewification 4 months ago
@pointofviewification
Asteroids are presumed to be remnants of matter that did not clump during the formation of the solar system. They are composed of rock, dust, and metal. When asteroids are first formed, the metal sinks to the center forming a metal core.
kingmafi6699 4 months ago
@kingmafi6699 how the dust and metals, exist in space? from which source?
pointofviewification 4 months ago
@kingmafi6699 how space created? where is the end of the space
pointofviewification 4 months ago
how space created? where is the end of the space
pointofviewification 4 months ago
@pointofviewification
There is no end.
Space is endless.
kingmafi6699 4 months ago
@kingmafi6699 You are not logical answer, you can not describe the creation. Means you do not know God exists.
pointofviewification 4 months ago
@kingmafi6699 Space is endless. Similarly, the case of god
pointofviewification 4 months ago
@pointofviewification
Man get over this fucking god.
You cannot explain a complex universe using a complex being.
There is no basis for god at all.
kingmafi6699 4 months ago
@pointofviewification And you know god is endless because... ?
danieljliversLXXXIX 4 months ago
@danieljliversLXXXIX because the God is the creator.
pointofviewification 4 months ago
@pointofviewification God is a failed ideal.
danieljliversLXXXIX 4 months ago
@danieljliversLXXXIX who have no idea are people who do not know God. How was space created? where is the end of the space, please give a logical answer.
pointofviewification 4 months ago
@pointofviewification Argument from ignorance -- substituting "God" for an answer where one isn't apparent -- isn't logical. You're not asking a profound question.
danieljliversLXXXIX 4 months ago
@pointofviewification
What makes you think there was a begining of space that required it to be created? What makes you think space ever ends?
You make huge assumptions based on no knowledge.
srspower 4 months ago
@srspower medieval people knew the answer, I hope you read the history of humanity. The answer is already there. Just that you do not see the answer. boy of 10 years shall answer this question. why you can not answer?, you realize, all that is in the world must have its cause. if you say "computer" is great, then it would have created the computer. as well as in the case of space ... there must be a creator
pointofviewification 4 months ago
@srspower the answer is "God does exist" is the most accurate answer.
pointofviewification 3 months ago
@pointofviewification
Do you know what a weeble is? Neither do i. Saying 'weebles do exist' makes the same sense as what you just said.
How can it be accurate when you can't even define what it is. You have no idea what a 'god' is and you can not define it so it is not a answer to anything.
srspower 3 months ago
@danieljliversLXXXIX The God Is The Creator..
pointofviewification 4 months ago
@pointofviewification And how do you know there was even a 'creator?'
danieljliversLXXXIX 4 months ago
This event is already planned by God. Every 3000 years the world must be approached by the prophet. I believe the story is always the same. This is the cycle of prophets.
pointofviewification 4 months ago
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pointofviewification 4 months ago
@BibleJesusChristian Maybe you've spent your believeing in foolish things and not looking for knowledge of the real world? What's so great about eternal live anyway?
danieljliversLXXXIX 4 months ago
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LordTitus7 5 months ago
every 3000 years the world must be purified. that's why the story of Horus the same Jesus. not impossible possible, in the year 3000 there may be a prophet come down earth. I think at the time the story jesus extinct, due to ignorance of world domination
pointofviewification 5 months ago in playlist ISIS,HORUS,SETH,OSIRIS,JESUS CHRIST,VIRGIN MARY,SUN-GODS
@pointofviewification How did you come to this conclusion?
danieljliversLXXXIX 4 months ago
in 3000 the year he would come earth. Now let us wait for the year 3000 the next prophet will come down. This is the cycle of the Prophet
pointofviewification 5 months ago in playlist ISIS,HORUS,SETH,OSIRIS,JESUS CHRIST,VIRGIN MARY,SUN-GODS
@pointofviewification Wait for someone or something to come down from on high to fix our problems. That'll get things solved!
danieljliversLXXXIX 4 months ago
@BibleJesusChristian if... if... LOL
MASSRCOR 5 months ago
It is a logical fallacy to say that a real person cannot exist because there are
mythological parallels that pre-date him. There are parallels in the Bible and
in the secular world in general and all the persons involved have an objective
reality. The only problems with myths are they cannot be verified objectively
with physical evidence.
concerto35 5 months ago
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@concerto35 Jesus Christ's life death and resurrection are the most documented facts in the annals of antiquity. The Bible is the most documented book of all ancient history. Coming in a far second is the Illiad. The Bible is the best seller in both the ancient world and the modern world.
concerto35 5 months ago
@concerto35 can u stop talk shet, i dont like person that are full of shet, stupid and nuts.
cummerval3 5 months ago
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concerto35 5 months ago
If you read the story of pagan mythology it flows like imaginary stories or
distorted history. But if you read the life story of Christ the credibility is
greater because it actully happened and flows like natural events - miracles can be documented. Mythology has an unreal flow. Besides the Greek, Roman and Jewish writers tell of Jesus. They are Lucius, Thallus, Suetonius, Pliny the Younger, Tacitus and Josephus plus the Apostolic fathers confirm the historicity of Jesus.
concerto35 5 months ago
Friend in the course of history and everyday existence these phenomenon occur. Hitler was a type of antichrist. Nero was a type of antichrist. Apollonius of Tyana - the miracle worker - was a type of antichrist. All of the
above-mentioned had a physical existence. But listen to this: they in no way
cancelled out the real existence of Jesus Christ. In the Bible, there are
positive types and shadows of Christ: Moses,Joshua; Jospeh, Samson etc.
Thanks brothers. Seek truth (John14:6).
concerto35 5 months ago
Would you say that president John Kennedy was a type of of Abraham Lincoln.
Neither cancelled out the other. Both had a real existence and the parallels are
shocking!!
concerto35 5 months ago
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concerto35 5 months ago
Abraham Lincoln was elected to congress in 1846. Kennedy was elected in 1946. Lincoln was a runner up for his party's nomination in 1856, for Kennedy it was 1956. Lincoln was elected president in 1860, and Kennedy became president in 1960. Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy and Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln. Both presidents were shot in the back of their heads while seated next to their wives. The presidents suceeding them were Andrew Johnson and Lynden Johnson.
concerto35 5 months ago
As it seams Horus stole the story of Jesus.
Riste1986 5 months ago
Crucifixion exist from 6th century BC (read some wiki). So Horus is not crucified.
Riste1986 5 months ago
Ending the Myth of Horus Ending the Myth of Horus stupid evil bastard,.... Google it.
Riste1986 5 months ago
GO to KingDavid8 (dot) com an find there is a link Jesus/Horus. Read the truth not this crap.
Riste1986 5 months ago
@Riste1986 Or better go to the link "Jesus A Copycat" and you'll find more.....
Riste1986 5 months ago
This video is a miss point, but there are some people that want to blame Christianity, and that's OK we are used to it. ;)
Riste1986 5 months ago
Jesus is not born on December 25. He is born somewhere in august, but the date is put 25 to override the false god of the sun.
Riste1986 5 months ago
@Riste1986 The false god of the sun aka Horus. I mean we have billions (Christianity #1 religion) followers of Jesus and none of Horus, you should ask yourself why.
Riste1986 5 months ago
I am during an indepth study on these parallels. There are no clear-cut straight forward parallels between Jesus' life and the mythological gods. It is be a total fabrication with an agenda to undermind the Christian faith. I became astonished at the mendacity, and the lack of intellectual integrity of non-christian scholars. Through self-hypnosis their myths could destroy minds and souls alike. Where are their facts? They have none!
concerto35 5 months ago
The son of God is returning to the HEART of men...........The son of God will not return to EARTH.actually, the other one his enemy will return.The father of the Christians the Anti-Christ will be coming soon.Be aware.
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youneekk 5 months ago
These pagan parallels were begun in Germany in 1910 by Richard Reitzenstein who mistakenly likened Christ 's resurrection to Mithras. Mithras did not die, he sacrificed a bull and experienced no death and resurrection on the 3rd day. There is no evidence that Mithraism influencing 1st century Christianity. The church Fathers from Justin Martyr to Tertullian denounced Mithraism as a satanic imitation. Read: " The Case for the Real Jesus" by Lee Strobel.
concerto35 5 months ago
HORUS HAS A FUCKING BIRD HEAD, I DONT TAKE THAT SHIT SERIOUSLY SORRY
k92aida 5 months ago
all crap....horus wasnt born of a virgin...neither was krishna....hehehe.
TheJooksy 5 months ago
@TheJooksy in a text in the Abydos temple of Seti Isis declares "Im the Great Virgin"
in the glyphs of Denderah, are glyphs depicting the sex between isis and Osiris, the glyph shows Isis sending out her Bah (spirit), Sothis or sirius ) a hawk being seated and inseminated on Osiris Phallus and then returning back to isis. the sex was nonphysical leavin isis' virginity in tact.
pistolpete667 5 months ago
Yahshua is a transliteration of the original Hebrew or Aramaic name of Jesus. Yahshua is the son of Elohim. This video is trash.
IIDivineShadowII 5 months ago
Why Jesus has 2.1 billion followers today and Horus NONE???! I am just asking. You`ll answer it.
Riste1986 5 months ago
Even the Talmud which is hostlie towards Jesus, says he existed. The apocryphal Gospels did not deny that Jesus performed those miracles. There is an undeniable factual basis that any intelligent and spiritually astute person would accept concerning Jesus Christ's existence.
concerto35 5 months ago
Read about what the prominent archaeologist Edwin Yamauchi Ph.D. had to say
about this matter. He has studied 22 languages including Greek, Hebrew,
Akkadian, Chinese and Egyptian etc. Dr. Yamauchi found that there was no
evidence of dying and rising gods prior to Christianity.
concerto35 5 months ago
Those myths were incorporated into mythology from Christianity by un scrupulous, probably atheistic researchers. All of these fabricated mythological tales originated after the 1st century.
concerto35 5 months ago
Here are some false parallels sited by Dr. Yamauchi:
The mythological character Mithras was not born of a virgin as some some think.
He was born from a rock fully grown not an infant.
Mithras was not born in a stable at inn inn Like Jesus, but a cave.
concerto35 5 months ago
Another myth was that Mithras was a great teacher with 12 disciples. No, he was
a mythological figure and he had no disciples
There was the clain that he sacrificed hiself for world peace. No, Mithras
killed a bull. Again Mithras did not die consequently there was no resurrection.
concerto35 5 months ago
YES, THERE ARE MANY FALSE PARALLELS CREATED TO DECEIVE THE UNWARY. SATAN IS A GREAT COUNTERFEITER. THIS IS ONE OF WAYS IN WHICH HE ENTRAPS ATHEISTS AND AGNOSTICS.
One of the greatest archaeologists of all time , William Albright, claimed that
he has never discovered anythng in his FIELD that disproved or contradicted
the Bible
concerto35 5 months ago
@concerto35 even if we proved for a fact that the idea of horus existed before christ, which we have, and proved it had all of these jesus-like attributes, to a christian, that doesn't prove jesus false, it just proves horus at least the idea true. That is why he might say nothing has been discovered to disprove the bible, it has been discovered, however that the idea of a jesus like son of god has existed before jesus. you can twist that to mean whatever you want.
parkerthehicks 5 months ago
@parkerthehicks it was proven jesus christ was a real man
TheMarmboy 5 months ago
@TheMarmboy it hasn't, but that wasn't my point anyway. please offer up the proof of jesus as aman though, maybe i'll be convinced.
parkerthehicks 5 months ago
@parkerthehicks : I think that I have found some unusual factual evidence. Look at the youtube video "The Holy Family in Egypt " It is a series. Start with part 1.
concerto35 5 months ago
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concerto35 5 months ago
@concerto35 ignoring for a minute the out-right lies in your post, don't you see it as a little ironic that you as a christian are calling scientist self deluded and condemning them for not basing their decisions in facts. As a christian you should love that, even though it isn't true
parkerthehicks 5 months ago
@parkerthehicks : Maybe I should be a little more tactful or diplomatic in my approach, and others would be more receptive. I love the people as a Christian. However, I shudder at the possibly of people losing their souls, because some one deluded them into thinking that, Jesus, their saviour, was not real. Salvation is the most precious possession we have. The Bible says: "work out your salvation with fear and trembling."
concerto35 5 months ago
There are some people today that believe that Jesus never performed all those miracles. Some of the higher critics of the faith do not believe that Jesus even existed or that all of the words attributed to Him in the 4 gosples are really His. However, there were the early church Fathers who existed at the time of the apostles and were even students of them. These apostolic fathers were witnesses to the phenomenon of Jesus Christ - God incarnate.
concerto35 5 months ago
One such person was St. Ignatius of Antioch. He was a student of the Apostle John and it is believed that St Peter appointed him to his post. This is what he said of Jesus: Jesus was baptized by John; Jesus performed miracles; Jesus was crucified; Jesus was laid in a tomb and Jesus rose from the dead.
concerto35 5 months ago
What better person to learn about the reality of Jesus than his apostles. It is this kind of extra-biblical evidence that critics ignore. It is because they are deceived into wishful thinking and wilfull ignorace.
concerto35 5 months ago
There is archaeological evidence substantiating the life of Christ - none for Horus. The Greek, Roman and Jewish writers say Jesus is real. In the Library of Congress, there is a letter written by Pontius Pilate to Tiberius describing Jesus physical appearance and also telling of the great miracles that he worked. Other writers are Phegon, Suetonius and Pliny the Younger. Josephus was the first century historian who gave an account of the miracles and Jesus' resurrection.
concerto35 6 months ago
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Please post link to archaeological evidence.
As for the writings, absolutely every scripture I've studied referenced Christianity in general or second hand rumors of Christ.
Acroman12 6 months ago
@Acroman12 : I could not get the link to come up. But Please slot in this title and you could come up with Pontius Pilate's letter
concerto35 5 months ago
@Acroman12 : I could not get the link to come up. But Please slot in this title and you could come up with Pontius Pilate's letter: LETTER TO TIBERIUS CAESAR FROM PONTIUS PILATE
concerto35 5 months ago
@concerto35 Actually the only evidence are Roman records that a man named Jesus lived and died. The end. Nothing more and no specifics. And as far as the last sentence, who cares? If i "back up" witnessing miracles right now, in a few centuries are my statements credible just because it was centuries ago? You haven't made a single point.
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youneekk 6 months ago
First off NO ONE knows the day Jesus was born. Also Isis wasn't a virgin. Second the Bible never says how many wisemen came. Also the 3 stars are of Orion's belt and Sirius is east of those lmao not west. Meaning that it's the 3 stars then the Sirius star. Third Horus was NEVER baptized as he wasn't a JEW lmao. Horus didn't even have an age and he was not known as the Lamb of God. Horus was never crucified. It didn't exist back then. :-P
nejithebest 6 months ago
Judaism and Christianity and Islam all Ibrahimic religion are the most primitive religions did not contribute any thing to raise human consciousness they made people more unconscious.
ZenFullMoonNight 6 months ago
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Nowhere in the Bible does it say Jesus was born on Dec. 25. :That is merely tradition :)
vatolegato 6 months ago
@01242692723 What scholars? You're oversimplifying shit and passing fallacies off as evidence.
wildstyle2192 6 months ago
@01242692723 For one, there isn't a "sonday" and Christians worship Jesus on any day, not just sunday. That was established because it was the day of his resurrection. I don't know of any text that says mithra and horus were worshipped on sunday.
wildstyle2192 6 months ago
My son will not be be a sacrifice again pupooh im am here to protect you and finish it once and for all.
mingacorre 6 months ago
@01242692723 Much of that is dependent on the language you speak, in this case English. "Sun" and "son" won't have a similar spelling or pronounciation in other languages. Plus, in other languages, the fifth day isn't named after Thor, but Jupiter. In the Romance languages, the sixth day is named after Venus (French: vendredi).
wildstyle2192 6 months ago
@01242692723 The whole "sunday argument" is pretty stupid.
wildstyle2192 6 months ago
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What if Jesus is the rebirth of Horrus? what if Jesus is Horrus including other gods such as Attis,Mithra, Krishna,Dionysus etc. Cant this be taken as a sign that the christ has been returning after he was sacrificed in Egypt Henceforth he was sacrificed in other cultures after few years yet again... i might not be right, but that`s just my opinion.
nickhtml14 6 months ago
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nickhtml14 6 months ago
Your doctrine is of occultists. Unfortunately they wrote the guidelines for the UN as well. Any greek or catholic jesus with a sun or light around his head is allready been proven false by real followers of YAWESHUA.CHECK your sources with your heart for it has been poisoned by false christs and princes of tyre.
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youneekk 6 months ago
jesus is fake Enki and Horus the truth
SavageGetti 6 months ago
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