I thought that the ground loop he demonstrated in his first landing was only suitable for tailwheel aircraft... I've trained on a 172 and I can't imagine doing that tight 180 turn!
Did the pilot take off at a lower speed than what is recommended for take off? when he rotated the tail came very close to hitting the ground? I fly the C172....take off is 55kts with 1 stage of flaps (10 degrees) for a short field landing....
@666driver You see. I dont know too much about the specs of the plane and I dont care too much for those other "pilots" trolling the vid. I WANNA FLY IT MYSELF! Cool vid dude.
I hope this bird has a tail skid attached to the empennage. Boy, that tail scraping would be enough to make me want to revert back to the "normal" 65 KT takeoffs with no flaps... >.<
Good Job mate,that is how sometimes we should fly ,not normal procedure all the time !! I flying 150 also about 1 year now ,only problem is in high density altitude (C150H)
Outstanding! Ive never flown a C-152, but rather a C-150. Does the extra 8 HP in the 152 allow for the extreme attitude on takeoff, and how near a power on stall were you in?
I believe that you are suppose to raise the nose and when you lift off the ground you must stay in the ground effect area until the best angle of the best rate of climb airspeed is achieved. Also it is not yet shown that runnung up you r.p.m.s while holding the brakes to build up power will allow for greater acceleration.
I suspect that the pilot in this video has considerably more experiance than skysnet. The purpose of the video was to demonstrate the maximum performance of this "STOL" modified aircraft to clear obsticles as well as t/o and landing roll.
@666driver Agreed, also, the maneuver in which he is describing is a soft field take-off. Obviously little flight training experience, or any at all for that matter.
@666driver The most experienced guy at my club spun and crashed his aircraft killing him, he was an instructor, USAF pilot, test pilot and had over 56 years of experience. The only resand he crashed was because he thought he couldn't. He did not follow the rules he himself taught, anyway my point is just because he has experience doesn't mean that he defies the laws of physics, e.g. pulling up when your too slow... anyway nice video
@666driver see u say that but then he does an overshoot and leaves full flaps down after touchdown (first time) not to mention hit the dirt... and @skysnet is correct; even w/ an obstacle you enter ground effect till vx then climb.
@666driver I own a 150 with a stock 0-200. It also has the STOL kit on it and it really makes a huge difference. That combined with a 180 horse engine gives you this rocket ship.
@skysnet wouldnt that be a soft field take off - where you supposed to transfer power to the wings as soon as possible.. his short field was correct - clear the 50 foot object climbing at Vx
@Matt0the0dude you are right for short field take off, he did correctly. my only critique would be his nose was too high, almost scraping the tail. however, for landing he didnt retract flaps...short field landing is brakes, retract flaps, back elevator pressure. he could be just doing it for fun which is fine but not what they expect on checkride.
You are correct about leveling off if you're talking about "soft field" landings but short field is designed to allow the pilot to clear obstructions.
@skysnet Actually, a short field take off is getting to full power before even releasing the breaks at the head of the runway. Once takeoff speed is reached, then the plane can take off fully.
A soft field take-off however does require gathering enough speed while in ground effect.
@skysnet Actually, a short field take off is getting to full power before even releasing the breaks at the head of the runway. Once takeoff speed is reached, then the plane can take off fully.
A soft field take-off however does require gathering enough speed while in ground effect.
@skysnet Actually, a short field take off is getting to full power before even releasing the breaks at the head of the runway. Once takeoff speed is reached, then the plane can take off fully. A soft field take-off however does require gathering enough speed while in ground effect.
@skysnet Actually, a short field take off is getting to full power before even releasing the breaks at the head of the runway. Once takeoff speed is reached, then the plane can take off fully. A soft field take-off however does require gathering enough speed while in ground effect.
@skysnet ur confusing short field takeoff with a soft field takeoff. when u do a short field u pretend as tho the rwy is short and there is and obstacle to clear at the end. with a soft field u just wanna get off the ground quickly as possible to protect the gear then stay in ground effect while u gain airspeed.
@skysnet You are thinking of a soft-field takeoff. On a soft field you want to get the weight off of the wheels as soon as you can. Then you accelerate in ground effect until Vx or Vy and climb out at that. For a short field, you hold the brakes until max power is developed, check your gauges, release the brakes and then you rotate just slightly before normal Vr and then climb out at Vx.
@jyokid.. it doesnt matter if the flaps dont come all the way up or not... if the pilot is goo enough he can pull the flaps out just before touchdownand by the time the nose wheel hits all the flaps are gone.. the faa examiner did that when i got my private licence and he stop within 250ft with the plane at max weight
@davkt888 Yeah, the 152 I started in involved 10 degrees flaps for short field takeoff. Anything more than 10 degrees created drag. Given the runway and air conditions, Full flaps could be muscled off the ground. But, the 150 Aerobat I think did have 40 degrees flaps and could be used for mild aerobatics. I didn't though.
not for nothing but if u are a CFI then you should know that when u touch down on a short field landing that you have to bring the flaps up in order to take more lift out of the wings and put more weight on the ground. other then that they were pretty good.
if you're trying to get a REALLY short landing roll its probably gonna be grass, in which case you cant use full braking anyway because you'll skid obviously. keeping full flap will give you more profile drag and at slow landing speeds isn't gonna really make much difference for lift taking weight off the wheels anyway! All in all prob won't make much difference either way but you're best off concentrating on other things, keeping centreline n max braking without skidding etc.
@hockeyjr1 The flaps would have taken too long to bring up. By the time he had the flaps up, he would have been stopped and turned around. The 150 has electric flaps, not manual flaps like in a Piper.
He didn't touchdown at the threshold. He touched down in the dirt before it. That's why you see the cloud of dust come up. He also slammed it down pretty hard.
So funny to read "pilots" comments. First this video was done in the early 1980's to monitor a flight test (look at vehicule on the road). The 152 is equipped with a O-360 - 180HP, Bush STOL kit and 8.50 tires with heavy duty nose fork and 6.00 front tires. All the take off and landings you see on this video where done this way intentionnaly as a demo purpose for the certification process.
It's a 360 cubic inch engine, which produces 180 horse power. The 150/150 has become fairly popular but not worth the price unless you have a good reason to get STOL performance getting out of a field. Consider that a mid-time O-320 (150 hp) runs around $11,000. One fresh with overhaul by reputable shop... $18,000.
This interesting video shows what-to do, and what-not-to do. It is even more interesting to read the comments from good pilots and from dangerous pilots. Many commentators were confused the short field take off/landing technique from the soft field takeoff/landing's.
My friend, if you have any doubt about what is the right way to fly, it's not a bad idea to go back to the flying manuals to brush up your basic flying skills . It might save yours and others' lives some day !
onelikeseabass, could it be that what you called a "go-around", was just a demonstration of its slow flight cpability? He had no intention in landing, just a slow flight demo then a high speed demo, then a short field landing demo.
Oh, that's brilliant, slow flight at 100 feet over an active runway. This guy got an aerobatic rating?
Also, the short field landings he did were pretty rough on the gear, especially the last one. He didn't even touch down on the runway!
Everyone congratulating this guy on good landings needs to go see their local CFI and learn what a true good landing (short field, soft field or regular) is!
He didn't do a correct short field landing even once. Had to go around because he over shot the numbers the first time, and the second time he landed early and HARD. I feel sorry for the owner of that plane!
onelikeseabass, I think you missed the point of this demonstration. How many times have you seen a C 152, in calm wind, land and stop in less than 50 feet? and take of in the same short distance. Why don't you put up a video showing that you can do better, in a C=152?
I wonder how much effect those wing fences have? The airplanes obviously pretty light too. None of our 152's could have quite that good of a performance.
Good job. That was a definitely short field, it looked like you hardly used any runway at all! In fact, you could've landed in an empty parking lot. haha
I was watching thinking this guy is a bit radical and that is comming from a man that will side slip a drifter near vertical all the way to the ground. Low turns do nothing for me DANGEROUS then at the end when he stalls it on the the threshhold I just smiled :) engine failure on take of and he will write himself of flying like that
Short Field Take Off- 10% Flaps/Full Throttle/Nose on the Horizon/Let it fly itself off the ground/at 50ft/regular climb
Soft Field TakeOff-10% Flaps/get in the air asap/level attitude asap/build airspeed and then climb
Short field landing-Full Flaps to slow airspeed as much as possible and full brakes upon landing/keep nose off the ground as long as possible to slow plane faster
WRONG. on a 152, Short Field T/O - 10 DEGREES. not %. Full Toe Brakes, Full Throttle, horizon? (it will be coz it's on the ground.) Release Brakes, Weight on Main gear,Check instruments, ROTATE 50 kts, Maintain Vx (55kts) until at 50ft OR until clear of obstacle then Vy (67kts) and retract flaps. THAT's a short-field. Stop posing as a pilot coz you're giving wrong information. Or if you are one, stay on the ground.
Ive flown many different aircrafts my boy. I gave the short version and sorry it was not as accurate as it could have been. i'll try harder next time, i know a little bit about flying just check out my videos. my apologies. Drew.
Great! It's unfortunate that somebody of your "caliber" speaks falsely. Then why are you telling pilots stuff they already know? low-time, fine, can't afford rotary training, true. That doesn't give somebody who's otherwise, the right to deviate from the POH and say "this is how experienced flyboys do it. if somebody corrects me, i'll tell'em how i fly multiple platforms and can get paid to do it." Matter fact, your response shows insecurity and not confidence.
I would be interested in knowing what makes you an authority in performance flying. This doesn't seem like an area where you should be passing judgement.
Slow flight at 100 feet AGL is just plain reckless. The minimum recommended altitude is 1,500.
He almost dragged the tail during takeoff due to an overly aggressive/premature rotation (lift off).
His rate of vertical descent was too high on final which resulted in the aircraft being slammed into the ground. Watch the struts flex on touchdown. They shouldn't bend that much on a proper landing.
He also fell short of the runway by a few feet and touched down on the dirt before the runway.
I didn't think you were suppose to leave ground effect until after you built up some airspeed, but I guess in a 152 with 180HP, that doesnt really matter much lol
You're thinking of a soft field takeoff. That's where you take off in ground effect, hold it there to build airspeed beyond normal rotation speed and then climb out. You take off in ground effect so as to minimize stress to the landing gear caused by an unpaved runway.
Short field take off simply involves taking off at a lower than normal rotation speed and pitching immediately for the best angle of climb for obstacle clearance.
Yah, I'm intimately familar with the concepts of both manuevers. I have my PPL and Instrument rating. I didnt really read the description, just observed the video, and given his over rotation I assumed he was attempting a soft field, but just kept on going out of ground affect ....hard to determine on videos whether or not a plane has reached Vx speed, at least from my view.
good positive control of the aircraft, but you don't expand any flaps for a short field take off, and your don't rotate that fast either, on a 172 at least we rotate at 55 knots, and short fields rotate at 50 knots. What you defenestrated was kind of a combination of a short filed, and soft field take off perhaps! good skills though.
yea, true! but things go wrong only once, and then... So i rather play it safe, and play it for a long time, then to make that one irreversible mistake. Although it's fun to get a little crazy sometimes (:
i'm like $6000 into my pilot's license and my instructor keeps telling me a couple months, then again, a couple more months. jesus i'll never get my license holy shit!
Do you like know me? cause that's the case with me too!! i spent around 6 G's too, and now my Instructor wants me to take additional hours. And i have to get cleared with TSA again,and pay $130 again.
What he demonstrated was a slow flight maneuver below 1,500 feet, a very hard landing in the dirt before the runway, and let's not forget the near tail drag on the premature rotation.
Crap skills and he'll be lucky to get a job flying if he keeps this up.
Practice, practice, practice. That's what it takes, strapping on the plane, not the other way around. Kinda silly to use a 152 for STOL demo, but nice flying. When I took my Private check I was 23 lbs under gross with myself and the examiner...
yeah... they modify all the leading edges just for STOL. Then they get the plane certified (which is of course free...) and then fly with a bad performance - just for the STOL fun.
nice short field, by the way high wings don't go into ground effect (wings too far from ground ,and only applies to a wing one third wing chord aprox. dist. from gnd.)
I mean, before you are posting a comment make sure that it makes sense !!!! READ a good aviation/aerodynamics book or ASK a pilot or flight instructor. Ground effect = 1/2 of wing SPAN !!! Not CHORD = distance between the leading edge and trailing edge
"The right way" is different for STOL when you need it. This is a demo video of what the plane is capable of, not how you would normally take off and land at a Scottsdale air strip. 180hp in a C-150 - AWESOME! Great flying 666driver! What a great ranch vehicle this would be!
Aerodynamic braking is less efficient than wheel braking (on the ground). The less flaps (on the ground of course) the less lift and therefore more weight pressure on the tires, resulting in better brake efficiency. I don't doubt that the flaps will not move much in this short distance. I was also talking about the right procedures and "showing off". So you are a IFR commercial. I am a CFI for Lufthansa.
Did you get your CFI at Lufthansa? How long ago? My dad might have been your instructor. He landed this very plane, or one similarly equipped on top of Mt Baldy, in AZ (it's up near Show Low) once as a promo demonstration. 11K feet and no runway. It's really quite a plane.
I had my CFI already for a long time when I joined LH 12 years ago. Education in Germany and Canada. I will back out of this discussion - not because of you, but those comments here are really getting annoying (just look at "aegismachina" and "pamwachete") Keep up the good and safe flying !!!
OMG, Risky and bad !!! a short field take-off is NOT done like this. Here: No use of the ground effect to speed plane up - THEN pull up. It is VERY dangerous that way and has caused many accidents.
Short field landings: Right after touch down, flaps up !!! (to increase break efficiency) look up the POH or ask a flight instructor...
The goal is not to come to a stop with flaps up. I don't know if you are a pilot (and I hope you are not), but if you have basic knowledge of aerodynamics you should know why. There are always people arguing procedures. They exist for a very good reason ! Showing off is dangerous and immature. Particulary when it is done wrong.
Short field landings are not meant to be the greasers ... they are meant to get you on the ground quickly. This was an appropraite landing for the technique.
If you know anything about aerodynamic braking, you should know that it could not possibly have application in the landings he's demonstrating. By the time the flaps moved he would be stopped. Your criticisms are unfounded. By the way, I'm IFR, Comm., taught by a Master Instructor with 19K+ hrs. You?
I thought that the ground loop he demonstrated in his first landing was only suitable for tailwheel aircraft... I've trained on a 172 and I can't imagine doing that tight 180 turn!
benziel 4 days ago
Did the pilot take off at a lower speed than what is recommended for take off? when he rotated the tail came very close to hitting the ground? I fly the C172....take off is 55kts with 1 stage of flaps (10 degrees) for a short field landing....
TheTopgunferrari 4 days ago
What plane is this?
katieellis11 3 months ago
Almost a tail strike on that first takeoff...
RocketBird120 5 months ago
@666driver You see. I dont know too much about the specs of the plane and I dont care too much for those other "pilots" trolling the vid. I WANNA FLY IT MYSELF! Cool vid dude.
DimSum9685 6 months ago
dang nice my problem is that i drop the throttle too much and slam the ground.
TheNatedog24 7 months ago
I've got over 100 hours in a 150 since the one I rent is so cheap, it's hilarious watching a 150 with a 180 hp engine.
nevervne 8 months ago
it's all fun and games until someone stalls ;)
DiamondPilotDan 8 months ago
I will love to have this engine on my C-150...!
jetwowairforce 9 months ago
wow fuck..!!whats your speed when it lift off the ground...now i can do this on streets
cruxader27 10 months ago
Nice piece of flying, I enjoyed it , especially the landings, Very versatile piece of kit, the 152, thanks for sharing muchloveflipperxx
flipper82a 10 months ago
You are all missing the point, this is a maximum performance demonstration!
666driver 11 months ago
Yeah, he definitly bounced the tail off the runway on that first takeoff. Not cool.
birdman5002 11 months ago
@birdman5002 it was definitely close but definitely didn't touch.
mrbushpilot 10 months ago
I had to make sure to read the comments because no 152 I have ever flown could perform like that. LOL
jizzmonger 11 months ago
i want one.
tangoyankee28 1 year ago
You don't know how to land very well do you?
nickekholm 1 year ago
never seen anyone rotate that early! stall warner must have been screaming away! scary.
pilot12345671 1 year ago
I hope this bird has a tail skid attached to the empennage. Boy, that tail scraping would be enough to make me want to revert back to the "normal" 65 KT takeoffs with no flaps... >.<
hawktb9 1 year ago
Was it just me or did I see a tailstrike on first takeoff?
umahuma4 1 year ago
Good Job mate,that is how sometimes we should fly ,not normal procedure all the time !! I flying 150 also about 1 year now ,only problem is in high density altitude (C150H)
kamran04535180441183 1 year ago
So so many experts...
agviator 1 year ago
Skysnet you're an IDIOT, you're describing a soft field takeoff!
ctelvis1 1 year ago
lol 180hp engine this thing probably only has about 2 1/2 hours of fuel!
jeremyc311709 1 year ago
Outstanding! Ive never flown a C-152, but rather a C-150. Does the extra 8 HP in the 152 allow for the extreme attitude on takeoff, and how near a power on stall were you in?
skyking45674 1 year ago
@skyking45674 This is a highly modified C150 with STOL features and 180 hp. This outstanding performance comes from an addition of 80 hp.
vintagestuff 1 year ago
I believe that you are suppose to raise the nose and when you lift off the ground you must stay in the ground effect area until the best angle of the best rate of climb airspeed is achieved. Also it is not yet shown that runnung up you r.p.m.s while holding the brakes to build up power will allow for greater acceleration.
Tehfallinator 1 year ago
Dang.I know you hold a bit of backpressure on the yoke for STOL but I was afraid he was gonna taildrag for a sec there.Nice flying !
FoulOwl 1 year ago
This is what i call STOL !!!
i fly c152 and it doesn't fly like that.
SMWC152 1 year ago
what was your speed when you were 2,000 feet
07konch 1 year ago
i loved it! what was your rotate speed in the first take off?
redflame1991 2 years ago
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skysnet 2 years ago 7
I suspect that the pilot in this video has considerably more experiance than skysnet. The purpose of the video was to demonstrate the maximum performance of this "STOL" modified aircraft to clear obsticles as well as t/o and landing roll.
666driver 2 years ago 5
@666driver Yes but at least skysnet knows what the poh says and he knows how to fly PROPERLY!
car55555loclone 1 year ago
@666driver Agreed, also, the maneuver in which he is describing is a soft field take-off. Obviously little flight training experience, or any at all for that matter.
diamondstar156 1 year ago
@666driver The most experienced guy at my club spun and crashed his aircraft killing him, he was an instructor, USAF pilot, test pilot and had over 56 years of experience. The only resand he crashed was because he thought he couldn't. He did not follow the rules he himself taught, anyway my point is just because he has experience doesn't mean that he defies the laws of physics, e.g. pulling up when your too slow... anyway nice video
beedylove 1 year ago
@666driver see u say that but then he does an overshoot and leaves full flaps down after touchdown (first time) not to mention hit the dirt... and @skysnet is correct; even w/ an obstacle you enter ground effect till vx then climb.
multisyncxp 1 year ago
@666driver I own a 150 with a stock 0-200. It also has the STOL kit on it and it really makes a huge difference. That combined with a 180 horse engine gives you this rocket ship.
novsierra 4 months ago
@skysnet wouldnt that be a soft field take off - where you supposed to transfer power to the wings as soon as possible.. his short field was correct - clear the 50 foot object climbing at Vx
Matt0the0dude 1 year ago
@Matt0the0dude you are right for short field take off, he did correctly. my only critique would be his nose was too high, almost scraping the tail. however, for landing he didnt retract flaps...short field landing is brakes, retract flaps, back elevator pressure. he could be just doing it for fun which is fine but not what they expect on checkride.
skysnet 1 year ago
@skysnet Well said.
car55555loclone 1 year ago
@skysnet
You are correct about leveling off if you're talking about "soft field" landings but short field is designed to allow the pilot to clear obstructions.
Danbo19721 1 year ago
@skysnet That's for soft field take off
jkiang 11 months ago
@skysnet Not on the Cessna 150. Short field take off does not require you to level off, I think you're thinking of soft field take off.
PelikanM200 9 months ago
@skysnet Actually, a short field take off is getting to full power before even releasing the breaks at the head of the runway. Once takeoff speed is reached, then the plane can take off fully.
A soft field take-off however does require gathering enough speed while in ground effect.
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@skysnet Actually, a short field take off is getting to full power before even releasing the breaks at the head of the runway. Once takeoff speed is reached, then the plane can take off fully.
A soft field take-off however does require gathering enough speed while in ground effect.
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@skysnet Actually, a short field take off is getting to full power before even releasing the breaks at the head of the runway. Once takeoff speed is reached, then the plane can take off fully. A soft field take-off however does require gathering enough speed while in ground effect.
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@skysnet Actually, a short field take off is getting to full power before even releasing the breaks at the head of the runway. Once takeoff speed is reached, then the plane can take off fully. A soft field take-off however does require gathering enough speed while in ground effect.
secure510 9 months ago
@skysnet thats softfield
JasonSchwerin 8 months ago
@skysnet Max performance means over a 50 ft Obstacle .... Sweet aircraft
derekeves1 7 months ago
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mktstmedia 7 months ago
@skysnet ur confusing short field takeoff with a soft field takeoff. when u do a short field u pretend as tho the rwy is short and there is and obstacle to clear at the end. with a soft field u just wanna get off the ground quickly as possible to protect the gear then stay in ground effect while u gain airspeed.
maurjul 6 months ago
@skysnet I believe that you are thinking of soft field takeoffs.
ColdSHeep 5 months ago
@skysnet You are thinking of a soft field take off.
toogoodbw 1 month ago
@skysnet You are thinking of a soft-field takeoff. On a soft field you want to get the weight off of the wheels as soon as you can. Then you accelerate in ground effect until Vx or Vy and climb out at that. For a short field, you hold the brakes until max power is developed, check your gauges, release the brakes and then you rotate just slightly before normal Vr and then climb out at Vx.
golfrguy7 1 month ago
it looks he pulled back too much in first take off and tail touches the ground.
skysnet 2 years ago
@jyokid.. it doesnt matter if the flaps dont come all the way up or not... if the pilot is goo enough he can pull the flaps out just before touchdownand by the time the nose wheel hits all the flaps are gone.. the faa examiner did that when i got my private licence and he stop within 250ft with the plane at max weight
hockeyjr1 2 years ago
That first landing was incredible.
What's the cruise speed and gph?
bnther36 2 years ago
This aircraft is powered by a 180hp engine and cruises faster and uses more fuel than a standard C150. I don't know the particulars.
666driver 2 years ago
@666driver 180hp??? Dayum! The one I fly only has 90
johnsmithfsx 11 months ago
wow that was nice.
ever try accelerating with no flaps and then popping them out and rotating?
josephdupont 2 years ago
152 short field takeoff is with 10 degrees flap according to the POH
davkt888 2 years ago
This is not a 152, with 180hp engine, it could take off with full flaps. Max performance t/o uses 30 deg.
666driver 2 years ago 2
@davkt888 Yeah, the 152 I started in involved 10 degrees flaps for short field takeoff. Anything more than 10 degrees created drag. Given the runway and air conditions, Full flaps could be muscled off the ground. But, the 150 Aerobat I think did have 40 degrees flaps and could be used for mild aerobatics. I didn't though.
Lakotahope 1 year ago
so you can nearly take off and land from your drveway
stealhty1 2 years ago
Great short field take off and landing work! Couldn't believe how short your landings were. You gotta have taildragger time.
GuyECS 2 years ago
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CESSNA 172
rurmundo 2 years ago
thats a cessna 150...
swpilot2494 2 years ago
really rough landings
xxkevinxx323 2 years ago
Why is he doing a short field with what looks to be full flaps? In the C172 it calls for 10 [deg]. Does the POH of a 152 call for full flaps?
cabdolla 2 years ago
This is not a normal C152, it has 180hp and it can easily handle the 20 degrees flaps it is using on take-off.
vintagestuff 2 years ago
y not just use a driveway as the runway then?
KEITHRICHARDSFAN101 2 years ago
WUH-OH tailstrike you'll never fly with American again.
transdrole 2 years ago
not for nothing but if u are a CFI then you should know that when u touch down on a short field landing that you have to bring the flaps up in order to take more lift out of the wings and put more weight on the ground. other then that they were pretty good.
hockeyjr1 2 years ago 2
if you're trying to get a REALLY short landing roll its probably gonna be grass, in which case you cant use full braking anyway because you'll skid obviously. keeping full flap will give you more profile drag and at slow landing speeds isn't gonna really make much difference for lift taking weight off the wheels anyway! All in all prob won't make much difference either way but you're best off concentrating on other things, keeping centreline n max braking without skidding etc.
mrbushpilot 2 years ago
@hockeyjr1 The flaps would have taken too long to bring up. By the time he had the flaps up, he would have been stopped and turned around. The 150 has electric flaps, not manual flaps like in a Piper.
jyokid 2 years ago
I have to agree that shows some great skills by the pilot taking off and landing a C150 with such precision to touch down exactly at the threshold
kingarjun93 2 years ago 2
He didn't touchdown at the threshold. He touched down in the dirt before it. That's why you see the cloud of dust come up. He also slammed it down pretty hard.
onelikeseabass 2 years ago
So funny to read "pilots" comments. First this video was done in the early 1980's to monitor a flight test (look at vehicule on the road). The 152 is equipped with a O-360 - 180HP, Bush STOL kit and 8.50 tires with heavy duty nose fork and 6.00 front tires. All the take off and landings you see on this video where done this way intentionnaly as a demo purpose for the certification process.
sauvek2000 3 years ago 15
Agreed
Zachey2001 2 years ago
Wow a 360 in a 152!!! That must be a blast to fly!
acsmashing 2 years ago
It's a 360 cubic inch engine, which produces 180 horse power. The 150/150 has become fairly popular but not worth the price unless you have a good reason to get STOL performance getting out of a field. Consider that a mid-time O-320 (150 hp) runs around $11,000. One fresh with overhaul by reputable shop... $18,000.
chippertee 2 years ago
is this guy dead yet...
glamterra 3 years ago
registration?
shortsk8er16 3 years ago
No reg.?
shortsk8er16 3 years ago
???
vintagestuff 3 years ago
This interesting video shows what-to do, and what-not-to do. It is even more interesting to read the comments from good pilots and from dangerous pilots. Many commentators were confused the short field take off/landing technique from the soft field takeoff/landing's.
My friend, if you have any doubt about what is the right way to fly, it's not a bad idea to go back to the flying manuals to brush up your basic flying skills . It might save yours and others' lives some day !
ttmich 3 years ago
Good video.
peace2daearth 3 years ago
Ugh...ouch...that had to have been a really sick feeling, my friend. Sorry about your luck. Could happen to anyone though =/
SpaceMedic 3 years ago
OK for some reason even though I replied to specific comments, YouTube put them all on the first page.
*sigh* Sorry for the apparent flood, though it's not my fault.
onelikeseabass 3 years ago
shit hot IMHO
scandalousrogue 3 years ago
onelikeseabass, could it be that what you called a "go-around", was just a demonstration of its slow flight cpability? He had no intention in landing, just a slow flight demo then a high speed demo, then a short field landing demo.
u2bfree 3 years ago
Oh, that's brilliant, slow flight at 100 feet over an active runway. This guy got an aerobatic rating?
Also, the short field landings he did were pretty rough on the gear, especially the last one. He didn't even touch down on the runway!
Everyone congratulating this guy on good landings needs to go see their local CFI and learn what a true good landing (short field, soft field or regular) is!
onelikeseabass 3 years ago
He didn't do a correct short field landing even once. Had to go around because he over shot the numbers the first time, and the second time he landed early and HARD. I feel sorry for the owner of that plane!
onelikeseabass 3 years ago
onelikeseabass, I think you missed the point of this demonstration. How many times have you seen a C 152, in calm wind, land and stop in less than 50 feet? and take of in the same short distance. Why don't you put up a video showing that you can do better, in a C=152?
u2bfree 3 years ago
here how it is done. Full breaks>Full power>rotate at 52> stay in ground effect>untill you have best climb of rate>once you do start climbing.
Short fielding landing...................
power off,flaps up,carburetor heat off,,pullback to the max..full..breaks
what you did is all wrong.
shwetanksunil1 3 years ago
I wonder how much effect those wing fences have? The airplanes obviously pretty light too. None of our 152's could have quite that good of a performance.
hew44 3 years ago
nice flying! had shortfield ops in my training yesterdag :) our 152's need more runway tho o.O
tbonesixtynine 3 years ago
Good job. That was a definitely short field, it looked like you hardly used any runway at all! In fact, you could've landed in an empty parking lot. haha
stranded170 3 years ago
I was watching thinking this guy is a bit radical and that is comming from a man that will side slip a drifter near vertical all the way to the ground. Low turns do nothing for me DANGEROUS then at the end when he stalls it on the the threshhold I just smiled :) engine failure on take of and he will write himself of flying like that
mjok2004 3 years ago 2
belo video o poder da tecnica
xoboita 3 years ago
Amazing
sufa256 3 years ago
Short Field Take Off- 10% Flaps/Full Throttle/Nose on the Horizon/Let it fly itself off the ground/at 50ft/regular climb
Soft Field TakeOff-10% Flaps/get in the air asap/level attitude asap/build airspeed and then climb
Short field landing-Full Flaps to slow airspeed as much as possible and full brakes upon landing/keep nose off the ground as long as possible to slow plane faster
helobelow 3 years ago
WRONG. on a 152, Short Field T/O - 10 DEGREES. not %. Full Toe Brakes, Full Throttle, horizon? (it will be coz it's on the ground.) Release Brakes, Weight on Main gear,Check instruments, ROTATE 50 kts, Maintain Vx (55kts) until at 50ft OR until clear of obstacle then Vy (67kts) and retract flaps. THAT's a short-field. Stop posing as a pilot coz you're giving wrong information. Or if you are one, stay on the ground.
cruz1aviator 3 years ago
Ive flown many different aircrafts my boy. I gave the short version and sorry it was not as accurate as it could have been. i'll try harder next time, i know a little bit about flying just check out my videos. my apologies. Drew.
helobelow 3 years ago
Great! It's unfortunate that somebody of your "caliber" speaks falsely. Then why are you telling pilots stuff they already know? low-time, fine, can't afford rotary training, true. That doesn't give somebody who's otherwise, the right to deviate from the POH and say "this is how experienced flyboys do it. if somebody corrects me, i'll tell'em how i fly multiple platforms and can get paid to do it." Matter fact, your response shows insecurity and not confidence.
cruz1aviator 3 years ago
personally i would be a little hesitant to turn that fast that quick upon landing...of course...I've never really had to...I always take it easy...
jgdogg441 3 years ago
i could fly that thing out of my yard and land it in my yard
jerseykid565 3 years ago
Nicely done, good positive touchdown on the last one epecially. Unfortunately my 110HP 152 needs a little more of a run up for an STO... :)
bennyonacid 3 years ago
Good positive touchdown?! Are you mad?
He slammed the plane down, hard, and didn't even make it to the runway before doing so.
onelikeseabass 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
wow thatll really mess up your breaks landing like that plus not to mention slamming it down like your landing on a carrier.....idiot
cadetrushing 3 years ago
I would be interested in knowing what makes you an authority in performance flying. This doesn't seem like an area where you should be passing judgement.
666driver 3 years ago
Oh you're definitely an authority in performance flying... poor and reckless that is.
onelikeseabass 3 years ago
Learn to fly a plane, then judge people on You Tube.
agentfazexx 3 years ago
Slow flight at 100 feet AGL is just plain reckless. The minimum recommended altitude is 1,500.
He almost dragged the tail during takeoff due to an overly aggressive/premature rotation (lift off).
His rate of vertical descent was too high on final which resulted in the aircraft being slammed into the ground. Watch the struts flex on touchdown. They shouldn't bend that much on a proper landing.
He also fell short of the runway by a few feet and touched down on the dirt before the runway.
onelikeseabass 3 years ago
Looks like we have another boring rule follower here!
Judging by your comment you have limited experience landing short distances.
acsmashing 2 years ago
@onelikeseabass 100 feet AGL, above a runway, is dangerous? Again, notice he's above a runway. Just an observation.
dearthpanda 1 year ago
I didn't think you were suppose to leave ground effect until after you built up some airspeed, but I guess in a 152 with 180HP, that doesnt really matter much lol
SpaceMedic 3 years ago
You're thinking of a soft field takeoff. That's where you take off in ground effect, hold it there to build airspeed beyond normal rotation speed and then climb out. You take off in ground effect so as to minimize stress to the landing gear caused by an unpaved runway.
Short field take off simply involves taking off at a lower than normal rotation speed and pitching immediately for the best angle of climb for obstacle clearance.
onelikeseabass 3 years ago
Yah, I'm intimately familar with the concepts of both manuevers. I have my PPL and Instrument rating. I didnt really read the description, just observed the video, and given his over rotation I assumed he was attempting a soft field, but just kept on going out of ground affect ....hard to determine on videos whether or not a plane has reached Vx speed, at least from my view.
SpaceMedic 3 years ago
He just got his CFI certificate lay off guys.
acsmashing 2 years ago
that last one, that plane was "done flying" for sure.
morrisonak 3 years ago 2
I'm guessing that's a rental aircraft.
nocotton 3 years ago
This aircraft was modified for short field take-off and landing. it is powered by 180hp engine and modified wings. It was not a rental.
(See below)
666driver 3 years ago
Compliments to pilot!
amicizia123 3 years ago
good positive control of the aircraft, but you don't expand any flaps for a short field take off, and your don't rotate that fast either, on a 172 at least we rotate at 55 knots, and short fields rotate at 50 knots. What you defenestrated was kind of a combination of a short filed, and soft field take off perhaps! good skills though.
Omid45 3 years ago
What he 'defenstrated' was a deafening 180hp indeed.
Disregard my stale humour and apologies in advance ;)
AreaQNH870 3 years ago
you fly by the book lol.... People like you kill the joy of flying haha
decimuscarrerus 3 years ago
yea, true! but things go wrong only once, and then... So i rather play it safe, and play it for a long time, then to make that one irreversible mistake. Although it's fun to get a little crazy sometimes (:
Omid45 3 years ago
i'm like $6000 into my pilot's license and my instructor keeps telling me a couple months, then again, a couple more months. jesus i'll never get my license holy shit!
decimuscarrerus 3 years ago
Do you like know me? cause that's the case with me too!! i spent around 6 G's too, and now my Instructor wants me to take additional hours. And i have to get cleared with TSA again,and pay $130 again.
Omid45 3 years ago
KEWB? If not, then all instructors is the same rip off then.
decimuscarrerus 3 years ago
What he demonstrated was a slow flight maneuver below 1,500 feet, a very hard landing in the dirt before the runway, and let's not forget the near tail drag on the premature rotation.
Crap skills and he'll be lucky to get a job flying if he keeps this up.
onelikeseabass 3 years ago
Official from afinchl
Condor tricycle gear takeoff -lanhings video
May 02, 2008
Nolan Stallcup built that airplane. Chip Finch was the pilot for this demonstration at the Stellar Airpark on January 20, 1981.
666driver 3 years ago
shit i wont turn off rwy hdg until im 500 agl.then again i go out of lehigh intl and theres a lot of buildins around
opivy6989 3 years ago
high speed pass in a 152? is that possible?
N365PA 3 years ago
180 hp!
vintagestuff 3 years ago
Dude your not supposed to land on the dirt
fpere006 3 years ago
Yeah he did land a bit short, on a checkride he would have busted.
srodriguez54 3 years ago 2
That a nice short landing. Should have gotten the flaps up the second you touch the ground.
danetrain0101 3 years ago
Gotta love the C-152. I'm currently training on this type. Great fun! Nice flying.
bradford999 3 years ago 2
adorei este vidio
lorezimerman 3 years ago
The old C-150 had 40 degree flaps (152 only 30). A go around with those barn doors hanging out was a trip...
Now I know what I look like doing a "high-speed" pass...ain't TOP-Gun , but it was to me.
wrh61 3 years ago
hard landing on the last one. but still a great video showing the skills of the pilot!
kadocako 3 years ago
He should have pitched down early after takeoff. And he almost hit the tail. Great video though.
drummerdude6485 3 years ago 2
almost had a tail strike there and that front tire needs air =P
mustang2005 4 years ago
woah thats the shortest i've ever seen a 152 take-off
letuboy 4 years ago
oi, adorei o vôo, pouso e a decolagem...FANTÁSTICO....
MELHOR POUSO CURTO QUE VI....
lorezimerman 4 years ago
"Obrigado! Eu o filmei, mas concordo que era muito bom!"
666driver 3 years ago
Ouch! Too bad he scraped that tail tiedown on takeoff.
eatmynastysnatch 4 years ago
Practice, practice, practice. That's what it takes, strapping on the plane, not the other way around. Kinda silly to use a 152 for STOL demo, but nice flying. When I took my Private check I was 23 lbs under gross with myself and the examiner...
born2flyalaska 4 years ago
How big was the examiner?
Castnkill 4 years ago
He must have been about 5'5 and 130 pounds, and pushing 90.
born2flyalaska 4 years ago
impressive. awesome job.
comcfi 4 years ago
Looks great! what kind of setup is this? are the leading edges modified for stol?
aegismachina 4 years ago
yeah... they modify all the leading edges just for STOL. Then they get the plane certified (which is of course free...) and then fly with a bad performance - just for the STOL fun.
imalang99 4 years ago
Just need an STC for leading edge cuffs. Im just curious because I have never seen this model of airplane take off and land so short before.
aegismachina 4 years ago
nice short field, by the way high wings don't go into ground effect (wings too far from ground ,and only applies to a wing one third wing chord aprox. dist. from gnd.)
pamwachete 4 years ago
"High wings don't go into fround effect" ?
I mean, before you are posting a comment make sure that it makes sense !!!! READ a good aviation/aerodynamics book or ASK a pilot or flight instructor. Ground effect = 1/2 of wing SPAN !!! Not CHORD = distance between the leading edge and trailing edge
imalang99 4 years ago 2
sorry for the miss type in my reply - of course you wrote "ground effect" not "fround effect"
imalang99 4 years ago
"The right way" is different for STOL when you need it. This is a demo video of what the plane is capable of, not how you would normally take off and land at a Scottsdale air strip. 180hp in a C-150 - AWESOME! Great flying 666driver! What a great ranch vehicle this would be!
thenrie 4 years ago
Aerodynamic braking is less efficient than wheel braking (on the ground). The less flaps (on the ground of course) the less lift and therefore more weight pressure on the tires, resulting in better brake efficiency. I don't doubt that the flaps will not move much in this short distance. I was also talking about the right procedures and "showing off". So you are a IFR commercial. I am a CFI for Lufthansa.
imalang99 4 years ago
Did you get your CFI at Lufthansa? How long ago? My dad might have been your instructor. He landed this very plane, or one similarly equipped on top of Mt Baldy, in AZ (it's up near Show Low) once as a promo demonstration. 11K feet and no runway. It's really quite a plane.
thenrie 4 years ago
I had my CFI already for a long time when I joined LH 12 years ago. Education in Germany and Canada. I will back out of this discussion - not because of you, but those comments here are really getting annoying (just look at "aegismachina" and "pamwachete") Keep up the good and safe flying !!!
imalang99 4 years ago
You are absolutely correct. I was going to post this until I read what you said.
danetrain0101 4 years ago
wow, thats really not the right way to do it.
EveningsGlory 4 years ago
OMG, Risky and bad !!! a short field take-off is NOT done like this. Here: No use of the ground effect to speed plane up - THEN pull up. It is VERY dangerous that way and has caused many accidents.
Short field landings: Right after touch down, flaps up !!! (to increase break efficiency) look up the POH or ask a flight instructor...
imalang99 4 years ago
What kind of flaps do you have that could come up in 30 feet? Stick to your 172 and you'll be ok.
thenrie 4 years ago
The goal is not to come to a stop with flaps up. I don't know if you are a pilot (and I hope you are not), but if you have basic knowledge of aerodynamics you should know why. There are always people arguing procedures. They exist for a very good reason ! Showing off is dangerous and immature. Particulary when it is done wrong.
imalang99 4 years ago
Short field landings are not meant to be the greasers ... they are meant to get you on the ground quickly. This was an appropraite landing for the technique.
wejwejeeb 4 years ago
If you know anything about aerodynamic braking, you should know that it could not possibly have application in the landings he's demonstrating. By the time the flaps moved he would be stopped. Your criticisms are unfounded. By the way, I'm IFR, Comm., taught by a Master Instructor with 19K+ hrs. You?
thenrie 4 years ago
I think you are replying to the wrong comment. Nothing of what you say applies to my comment.