The European Federation - An Introduction (Nation States)

[OccultusStarChild]

There is only one system that can bestow the EU with one mind.

A system that has been here since the dawn of time.

[zombieman48]

We need a world federation if we are going to have any kind of federation.

[NielsJB]

I do not believe in an European federation.

Yes we would be stronger outward united, but internally we would totally be divided.

First of all think of the language problems, secondly the differences in income in western and eastern European countries, thirdly the current governments (allright in republics this transition would be quicker, but in countries with a monarchy you would take much away) and much more.

There's merit in cooperation, but a federation would be very unsuccesfull.

[millionaire1231]

@NielsJB Did what you say happen to Germany when it was founded from 39 states each with their own culture and divide?

[NielsJB]

@millionaire1231 Well they had the same language, German cultural nationalism already spread through works of Schiller and Goethe (and many others) and 1000 years of relative unity through the Holy Roman Empire. The German Empire isn't called the second Reich for nothing.

You could say that Germany does that now (economically) but still it isn't large enough to force its will upon all the other member states.

[millionaire1231]

@NielsJB And you are saying the EU is not like that today?

European Culture Nationalism spread...just look at your passport- it says you're a European citizen.

And in terms of language, most Europeans speak english- we can communicate fine already. Take me: A Swede who speaks English, German and is learning French- language isn't a problem really; most Europeans learn 2 languages and even if there still was a slight language barrier, it would not cripple unity. Think of Hawaii in the US :)

[NielsJB]

@millionaire1231 No we're not like that today. A German from Bavaria felt solidarity with a German from Oldenburg. EU nationalism isn't very strong. The peoples of Europe are mostly EU-critics. In Germany there was a large unification movement (Frankfurter parliament 1848). And yes we do all speak English, but not many are willing to give up their national language for the English one. History plays to big a part in Europe :)

Btw. Hawai was annexed in 1898. There was no unity movement.

[millionaire1231]

@NielsJB I think you are not getting my point...

They did not feel solidarity- they were from different countries- they were not German.

The people of Europe are not mostly Euro-sceptic, otherwise why is it still in existence? I am referring to the German unification in the 1870s; and Hawii is a state currently of the US, that's my point- it doesn't speak English.

And we don't have to give up our national language for a more intergrated Europe...

[NielsJB]

@millionaire1231 You do not understand me. I said that there was already a unification movement in 1848-49. Those countries were German in a cultural sense. The point being that unification was long accepted in 1871 when it finally happened. So there was solidarity.

Hawai is completely different as I said. It is a state in the US now, but back then it was a sovereign kingdom which was annexed in 1898 by the US. (annexation is no voluntary unification).

[millionaire1231]

@NielsJB Hawii's history is irrelevant...only its present state. I understand you perfectly, but I find it irrelevant. Are you suggesting that there is no common European culture at the moment?

[NielsJB]

@millionaire1231 May I remind you that you were the first who brought up the topic of Hawai? And somethings history is never irrelevant.

Anyways to answer your question: yes and no. We all share some values that we gained through Christianity and the Enlightement. But there are major differences between east and west, north and south. Is that enough to say we have an European culture? But even if we have this European culture it comes not even close to that of a European nation-state.

[millionaire1231]

@NielsJB Do you know that many Professors and Politicians, as well as economists, consider the EU as its own type of Federal Government? A Federation?

I think we have more in common than you think- but we shall agree to differ.

[NielsJB]

@millionaire1231 Hehe others would say it is more a confederation. Barosso called it an Empire (not as in British Empire, but as in the scientific definition of Empire). I agree with him.

Anyways I've liked this discussion mate. I don't think we'll agree on the fact that the EU needs to be a European federation, but I'll agree with you that we need the economic union. :)

[millionaire1231]

@NielsJB The EU is already an Economic Union. If we compare, The US first became united politically, then economically. Us Europeans are doing it the other way- we couldn't be more economically united, so now we're doing it politically.

[NielsJB]

@millionaire1231 I'm still missing the reason: Why should we be united politically?

[millionaire1231]

@NielsJB Look to the past. Feelings of hostility, guilt, suffering and fear. We are mending these through friendship, happiness, prosperity and joy... That's why.

[slopri]

@NielsJB

Differences in incomes can be solved... lol... I'm Slovenian, we had by FAAAR the highest incomes per capita in Yugoslavia, yet we still lived in the same country. Didn't end well..I know. But it can be done.. All Europeans were always about having the most land, being the best, etc..

We need to realize we're better together. Norway has the highest incomes, but oil doesn't last forever, nor does peace...

[NielsJB]

@slopri Are we better together? I think there are lots of people who disagree. But to be clear here: I'm not against the economic union, I even think there should be a small bit of a political union, but I do not believe in a European federation :)

This will also keep peace. Countries only go to war when recources are involved (Iraq, Libya). If we have an economic/trade union we'll talks these things out between ourselves. Politically is therefore not nessecary,

[millionaire1231]

@eunoway I always meet you in these videos...you depress my Euro-federalism...

[1918heimosoturi1922]

Are you out of your mind? There will never come any European Soviet Union. The Russians couldn't conquer my homeland, and Germany is not going to do it either.

[MachinasDeusEx]

@1918heimosoturi1922 SURE EUROPE IS ONLY A CONTINENT, FRANCE IS A FREE COUNTRY !! 

[1918heimosoturi1922]

@MachinasDeusEx

And i hope France will be a free country. French and Finns have bad memories about German occupation. Won't let it happen again.

[ZanH0]

@eunoway Well, if you like europeans, you most likely want to work with other europeans. so, start changing eu rather than talking "yes we should leave eu and so on". I too hate corrupted people, but they are not going anywhere as long as there is actually someone who is not so easily corrupt in the politics, in the governments.

[ZanH0]

@eunoway you hope to be closer to another federation? start rowing then.

[familieVorselaar]

@ZanH0 bahaha,well said. no offense to the brits

[ZanH0]

@eunoway if your little shoal was few hundred kilometers away.

[ML678v]

@eunoway What treaty??Part of the British sovereign is in Brussels!I wonder where are you from???How yes Britain LOL LOL

[LORENSSIOK]

"the federal republic of the european federation"!? lol XD

[pwd3679]

Norway will never surrender

[portugalisnotanumber]

A federation when almoust all the nations in europe are rooting with separatism?

[JaeneroRJCF]

Europe must be a nation's confederations, united but only States independents. Spain, France, Italy, Polsky, Germany, Ireland, Portugal, United Kingdom, Sweden, Danmark, Grece... are diferents countries, but everyone walking together for a Europe united.

[portugalisnotanumber]

@JaeneroRJCF Portugal would not want that, specally because of the diference of cultures, whe don´t like to be boosd around by a foregein, just see what happened in Portugal in the 1 December (and many other times).

[Draugh39]

@JaeneroRJCF

None of the "countries" in the EU is a sovereign state anymore. The EU law supersedes their own laws (including their constitution) whenever there is a conflict.

The difference is that the EU is not a democracy as the legislative body is not elected by the people. Only the EU parliament is, and they can't make legislation only approve, reject or ASK for amendment. The system is actually quite similar to the old USSR, where the voters also didn't have a real say.

[toeblarone]

I give it another year ..Max

[CommanderMethos]

@toeblarone ill add it to my calander along with the other 200 odd dates and ime periods for the collapse of the eu ...

[toeblarone]

@CommanderMethos People used to laugh and ridicule anyone that said the EU in its current economic form would not work . 2011 and it's still not working and is bankrupt.The Eurozone is stuck in it's own economic prison .It is rotten to the core undemocractic and the people of europe will not take any more bailouts of their hard earn tax. Never mind bye bye England ,most countries would give anything to have their own currencys back.

[CommanderMethos]

@toeblarone now your overestimating the crisis.

[MrJudube]

@toeblarone debt crisis in eurozone was propbably predicted by its designers. What will happen next is exactly what was supposed to happen - centralised financial discipline, common safety mechanisms etc.

[Kelvin07211]

europe should be one country how stronge all of us would be

[TylerAssady]

Fuuuck e. Long live the facists

[Farvai0]

Actually, it would not be one culture, as France, Spain, Portogal, Germany and Italy have different cultures.

[willyrobinson]

"United in Diversity" is contrary to the first 2/3rds of the vid. "ONE PEOPLE" "ONE ECONOMY" "ONE STATE" etc. - where's the diversity in that? And why should difference = diversity be a staging ground for unity? Germany's the heart of strength in the EU now and it's taking the cake. And good for them. They're the best and the rest are becoming subservient to their interest. It's the way it goes. Inegalite FTW!

[CommanderMethos]

@willyrobinson because one people and one state can be incredibally diverse. just look at the UK. the people from southern england are extremly diffrent from the scots but they are one people and one state. as for one economy its called the global economy so that was taken care off long ago.

[willyrobinson]

@CommanderMethos - Remember a few months ago the 'Youth' race that came out rioting back in August. didn't seem so united then when the 'hooligans' (psst - code word for white people) had to come out and bring order to the situation. The only reason you have 'diversity' (code 4 nonwhite invasion) in England is b/c of parasites/traitors/5th columns who allow & pay for this great black invasion. It's not 1 ppl. It's the indigenous English & aliens squatting on their birthright.

[CommanderMethos]

@willyrobinson  yes indiginous englanders who themselves came in and squatted on the previous indigenous inhabitants birthright.

[willyrobinson]

@CommanderMethos - They form one people of Celt, Saxon, Angle, Jute, Norse (viking), Norman (who themselves were of Norse background originally hence the name 'NORMAN' aka Northmen), & Huguenot blood. They are the British stock. All great nations are born of conquest. This not-so-great Black invasion currently underway is of a different stock(s) entirely, and not kin to the British ppls. They have every right to their own homeland and self-determination. Opposing this you are pro-white genocide.

[CommanderMethos]

@willyrobinson i somehow doubt you can genocide what is effectivley a slight genetic variation in a species. and by slight i mean on the level of brown or blond hair.

[CommanderMethos]

@willyrobinson also you forgot roman

[willyrobinson]

@CommanderMethos - Don't be ignant. Rome was no monolith. The 'Roman' power structure in Britannia Major brought in and used mainly Celtic Gallian (France b4 the Franks) and Germanic tribes not only as citizens but as the fighters. Roman's employing and granting Roman citizenship to Saxons to defeat Saxon invaders. It was untenable as it proved itself to be. Those 'barbarians' built Europe which we recognize b4 this invasion & genocide which you being an Anti-white support.

[CommanderMethos]

@willyrobinson yes but it would be equally ignorant to say that the pressence of romans didnt have any affect. after all some roman citizens from the italian pinisula would of been bought to britiania and would of continued to stay after the empier pulled out its military.

[willyrobinson]

@CommanderMethos - True. And it's also true that most of the 'Romans' (ie. people with Roman citizenship) in Britain were of Celtic Gallic (Gaul), or Saxon, or Briton (celtic) heritage. Rome by that time had already given citizenship to any freeman within its boundaries be they Germans, Gallics, Latins (the original Romans), Greeks, Jews, Arabs, Libyans, etc. So being Roman by this time meant nothing. And Rome eventually came to nothing.

[CommanderMethos]

@willyrobinson no the legacy of rome still exsists in the modern age.

[Rufus746]

Eu must die!



[Drag0nfoxx]

European federation? No. I'd say go for cultural unions: Scandinavia, Finland-Estonia, Germany-Austria-Switzerland(pa­rt)-Luxembourg, Netherlands-Belgium(part), etc.

[Phead128]

It's sad that it takes an entire continent just to compete with the US, China, and the big boys in world politics.

[SuperDJBling]

@Phead128

Thats probably because these 'big boys' of international policies are nations that makes the european continent look small.

[wolfaspa]

0:10... hmm looks about.. 0:51.. where the fuck did the British isles come from? 0_o

[l23722]

@TheFederalEurope

Did you mentioned Iberian Peninsula? No. You mentioned Spain and included Portugal.

[Pcordero87]

United Europe is Badass

[FinMilkku]

i want Europe to become one big superstate. because otherwise we will not survive the futures challenges against the raising powers China, India, Russia, etc... but the path the EU is taking right now is the wrong one. i want to be united with my fellow europeans, but not mixed with them. there is a difference between mixing people, and uniting them. the beauty of Europe, lies in its all different cultures. + our EU government is corrupt and doesn't care about us. we need new leaders, who do.

[Octavius0]

The EU is fucked old bean.

It's done for, washed up, kaput.

[l23722]

I am not federalist. In good of the truth, since a wile i am not even in favour of EU, but I would forgive your impirialist dream if you wound't have made a mistake so horrendous as saying "The result showed that Spain, Italy, France the Lowland nations and Gemany...", and than put a map where PORTUGAL is included. Where the hell you mentioned PORTUGAL? Why do you joined PORTUGAL if you didn't mentioned it? Do you think Iberia is the same as Spain you idiot?

I hate igonrants like you.

[tigerman3012]

AHAHAHAHAH!!!! YOU WISHED!!!! XDDDDD LONG LIVE EUROPE!!!! F***** EUROPEAN UNION!!!!!!!

[nietaanspreekbaar]

4 the ppl who dont know it yet the lowland nations are: The Netherlands, Belgium and Luxemburg (the Benelux)

[afonso381]

That will never happen in this world ....

[CommanderMethos]

@afonso381 i dissagree.

[EUrealitycheck1]

Bring down the Evil EU dictatorship empire.  Empires are anti-democratic bodies of the past and have no place in today's world. Those calling for a federal EU mainly want this for war. World war 3 will be caused by psychopathic EU federalist pawns of satan, ignorantly doing his work of creating a new world order one world government

[ViriathusVingathor]

@EUrealitycheck1

Nation states are better aren´t they,poverty everywhere, right wing retards/murderers at the command of every state,and +1/6 of the european population killed in 11 years of war.

That world was better.

[EUrealitycheck1]

@ViriathusVingathor "Nation states are better aren´t they,poverty everywhere"

Were is the poverty? europe is not poor. individual european countries are not poor. and what makes you think that an empire will magically remove all poverty from society? On the contrary, empires make poverty far worse than if the peoples of that country are in control being able to decide on their own future. Empires remove the will of the people and give the central rulers all the power.

[ofri75]

not sure what "European Federation" means... I know the EU... and I don't think the European Union will last for more than 10 years... it's artificual. As against the United States, the EU is made of different people... different nations, with different cultures, different languages, and endless wars between themselves. Most Europeans are against this poor union, and it's only a matter of time until it will collaps. So far - except for the Euro - nothing really in common.

[ViriathusVingathor]

@ofri75 Nothing in common,then I suggest you read about the proto indo european culture,italics,germans,slavs,­albanians,greeks and balts all come from that single culture.

As artificial as any present nation state,realms didn´t just fallen from the sky,they were the result of the blending of previous realms,tribes,communities,etc.

EU may collapse,if it does it will be by internal factors,the main one lack of courage to advance with a federation,because the EU is externally a winning formula.

[ofri75]

@ViriathusVingathor- what's in common between Greece and Finland? Romania and the UK? Portugal and Hungary? NOTHING -totally artificial! plus most Europeans are against this union anyway, so it will collaps. You don't share the same army, you don't have one foreign policy, you don't speak the same languages,& you have a bloody history of violence and wars between the nations that create this so called "union". Eventually, most Europeans will immigrate to the USA, only muslims will be left there!

[ViriathusVingathor]

@ofri75

LOL,USA will be flooded with mexicans,BTW,they are already 3rd worldist by themselves,they need the bribing of the WB,IMF to value their totally shitty economy.

We have still many things in common,linguists,and historians keep finding common aspects,they are not watchable over the surface,but beneath,surely we have common enemies,like the USA,and China,realizing the scum they are,thats enough to unite civilized men,with little concern about superficialities as cultural differences.

[ofri75]

@ViriathusVingathor - USA is your "enemy"? this only demonstrate the failior of ur European education... USA is the country that saved Europeans from the nazis. If it wasn't for the USA - Europe would still be occupied by Nazis. The Europeans were (still are) too weak to rebel and fight the nazis, and only Americans were able to invade the mainland of Europe together with the Soviets.

As for Mexicans - they are good people, and integrate in the American culture and society, unlike Muslims.

[ViriathusVingathor]

@ofri75 The Soviet union (EUROPE) saved Europe not the USA,common knowledge..

[ofri75]

@ViriathusVingathor - without the USA the Europeans would still be under Nazi occupation. Period.

USA provided endless weapon and supplies to the Soviet Union during all its wars against Nazi Germany. In addition, the USA sent more than 100 thousand soldiers only to participate in Operation Overlord, the well known operation in which the allies invaded the heart land of Europe and entered France and Germany. Without the Americans, who were the majority, this operation would never take place.

[CommanderMethos]

@ofri75 i dont know. i tend to belive that without the direct intervention of american military troops britian could still of won the war. the only thing it lacked was troops and we still had some empire left all we needed was time which was bought by the RAF. either way we have hitler to thank for the fact the american military came to europe.

[ofri75]

@CommanderMethos - What if Germany occupied Britain? without the USA Germany would probably manage to occupy Britain eventually... it was also only a matter of time. A British historian admitted that Britain was very likely to be conquered if Germany continued its war and did not attack the Soviet Union. These are all speculations of course, but thats a British saying this, not me...

[CommanderMethos]

@ofri75 yes but the deviation point in history we are talking about is what if america didnt send in the troops. in this version of history hitler still ordered the invasion of the ussr and by the end of the battle of britian we were strong enogth to repulse a german invasion. this was proved by a wargame played between britian and germany after ww2 had ended.

[ViriathusVingathor]

@ofri75

LOL,D Day (in some circuits of the american propaganda the most important battle in WWII) that was equivalent in losses to one normal day of fighting in 1944/1945 eastern front,Soviets advanced losing 10k a day.

[ViriathusVingathor]

@ofri75

US supply of raw resources to the soviet union was not so significant,the Soviet factories in Siberia were essential,what was significant for a period was their supply of agricultural goods,Soviets were starving,and what prevented even still the defeat of the Soviet Union was the Russian winter and the very long supply routes.

[ViriathusVingathor]

@ofri75

It was Soviet engineers who shaped those resources,creating the best weapons in the war capable of outperforming the germans,while the allies were behind in nearly all fields,specially in tanks,the decisive weapons WWII,the best allies had was the sherman,baptized by its own operators as a "coffin".

[ViriathusVingathor]

@ofri75

The americans were the majority,yet its regiments were many tens of thousands of emigrated europeans,D Day would have been possible without the french resistance telling the allies all german positions,and without the germans having 95% of their forces fighting in the east.

[ViriathusVingathor]

@ofri75

At the height of german presence in the western front,(about 1 Mil soldiers)the allies had a advantage of 5/1,5.5 Mil allies,including 1.5 Mil french(always at the allied vanguard,the first to invade Germany destroying the colmar pocket making any german attempt of resistance futile)and even so they almost were defeated,in the Ardennes,it was just the lack of fuel that stopped the germans,not their casualties.

[CommanderMethos]

@ViriathusVingathor if your talking about bastongue that was lask of fuel and poor german leadership.

[ViriathusVingathor]

@ofri75

And lastly go to a casualty chart,about 93% of all european axis losses were suffered in the east front.

Its not that the allies did nothing,but Its more than obvious that the Soviet Union was the main responsible for the downfall of Nazi Germany,also in the event of a Soviet defeat,I really doubt that the americans would have the national will take on all german army,and endure the casualties the soviets did for years.

[EUrealitycheck1]

@ViriathusVingathor "all come from that single culture." If you go back far enough you will find that everyone on earth descended from africa so your notion of picking and choosing how far back to go is nonsensical. We are where we are now with different countries, different languages, different cultures different values ideologies etc, so the logical amount of time to go back is to not go back at all and just accept that we are different. Fuck this fake EU identity bullshit.

[Hexalo25]

United in Diversity  ...

perfect example for my dream of the hope i have for europe in the future ♥

[CommanderMethons]

viva la europa

[ShapeShiftNibiruX]

works like shit!

Economy falling apart, one currency killing small countries, "rich" western Europeans hate east Europeans, and wish them to go home etc...

[ssgkillsuall]

United States and European Union allies till the end

[alexandertory]

bring down the E.U!



[YesIamEccentric]

If the vote was casted now, Germany would probably vote no, It's safe to say the EU will never be they same again

[HULLOHULLO15]

And look at how the European Union is falling. Long live Britannia.

[ViriathusVingathor]

@HULLOHULLO15

Far from falling,EU is much more resilient than some zionists in the US thought.

[EUrealitycheck1]

@ViriathusVingathor The EU is also the creation of those zionists you speak of just like the U.S. From the Rothschilds to marx to monnet to schuman all zionist pawns of satan who created this Evil EU empire.

[ViriathusVingathor]

@EUrealitycheck1 These are conspiracy theories without any real proofs.

Europeans hate the jews,jews dominate the USA,why would they want to create concurrence to it,makes no sense.

[EUrealitycheck1]

@ViriathusVingathor These are not just conspiracy theories. There is a lot of material out there with accurate arguments for those who choose to look into it seriousely without any bias. i bet you have never even looked into it seriousely, you just automatically call them unfounded theories. From the bible right up to recent studies, there is a very convincing evidence which points to the EU being a creation of satan. You are just one of those who will only listen when it is too late.

[ViriathusVingathor]

@EUrealitycheck1 Mankind has 200 000 years,that indo european culture existed 7000 years ago in the caucasus,it means that we have a much greater history together than parted,and unlike many other great cultural groups,ours has a extense territorial continuity,"We are where we are now,different languages, different cultures different values ideologies etc"agreed

[ViriathusVingathor]

@EUrealitycheck1

,however the same didn´t stop normans from conquering the saxon kingdoms,and making England, England from expanding to the rest of Britain trough blood and creating a new country,the UK,neither did stop Prussia from constituting Germany,neither did stop sardinia pemonte,from constituting Italy......

[ViriathusVingathor]

@EUrealitycheck1

Svea tribe from conquering and ruling Gotland,making Sweden,neither did stop the danish tribe from conquering the surrounding norse tribes and forcing Denmark,the same with Norway,nor Moscowy,from conquering the other slav princedoms later forging Russia,India kingdoms(never together before) from constituting India........... what respect did they had for the past very little if any.

[ViriathusVingathor]

@EUrealitycheck1

“We are where we are now”,not where our ancestors were,still with the same rules as they had,they can have the genius of forging new political entities,sometimes for the most aberrant of motives ,and now we can´t for the noblest,its out of the rules now.......pathetic.......

[ViriathusVingathor]

@EUrealitycheck1

EU makes part of the same process, just a upper level,its cleaner as unlike nation states it was built until now without blood,hence it allows people to criticize it,while if this was by the old rules,many like you and maybe your family would be put to death for much less criticism.

[ViriathusVingathor]

@EUrealitycheck1

Your children would be educated by your enemies,after some generations your descendants would forget the past,looking at descendants from old foes,as countrymen,that is the shocking and true history of this continent,if not of all mankind.

[0Russia0]

long life of the European Union and his future Muslim brothers.=)

[XBrokenwingsX98]

o love nation states im in a debate (all most War right now for Republias indapendence from democratium)

[MrBlind0fish]

blA, bla, bla... capitalism is capitalism in federation and in confederation too...

[TheShadowwolf88]

If it means we can start by taking back what the superpowers have taken from us then I´d might be in on this!

[akkappul]

First we need to get rid out of the monarchies. :P

[CommanderMethons]

@akkappul before that though britian needs a new voting system.

[TheShadowwolf88]

@akkappul

Why? I live in Sweden and I am proud of the monarchy!

[VivaLaPol]

It's never going to happen. Certainly not the way you imagine it.

[CommanderMethons]

@VivaLaPol im seeing a contradiction in this statement.

[PierreRMB]

I wish this was a fact of our history. But no, Europe is not a Federation but it's under the EU. To my opinion, the EU acts more as a bank for European countries than acts as a central government. If Europe was to be a Federation, Soulth of Europe would not have Economic problems for the central government would let the European States keep the money insted of adding it to their dept. In part 0:09 to 0:29 I noticed that you forgot some of the Northern States of Europe. I realy wish for the EF.

[MrAnaon]

european idea is a fucking adaptation of the idea of empire!!!

[TheFederalEurope]

@MrAnaon Would that be a problem?

[MrAnaon]

@TheFederalEurope Yes I think; this concept of "happy and united humanity" can justify anything, as a regression of democracy for example.

[CommanderMethos]

@MrAnaon

well technically democracy has not regressed as democracy is limited in even modern society and the changes imposed by the EU limit the powers of the governing body and not the voting body.

[MrAnaon]

@CommanderMethos our votes have no utility if our representents have no power.........

[CommanderMethos]

@MrAnaon

but they do have power. just not as much as they used to. but either way this does directly infringe upon our freedoms. freedoms which i might add are set out in the European bill of human rights.

[taurenmilkco]

@TheFederalEurope Technically, the E.F. would not be an Empire. It would be jointly controlled by each of the European states which formed it. Control would be roughly shared equally between countries that joined and formed it, anf there would be no dominance by a single nation.

Of course, at the moment this idea is unrealistic because the British and I believe Swedish don't like the idea.

Oh well, some other time.

[CommanderMethons]

@taurenmilkco what youve essentially described there is a federal goverenment. and not everyone in britian dislikes the idea.

[YesIamEccentric]

Wow, the way you put it is like the German WW2 Propaganda you know: Eine volk, Eine Reich, Eine Führer

[TheNationalMilitary]

Interesting. I also play nation states

[TheFederalEurope]

@TheNationalMilitary That is good to here. A very interesting political game.

[RedDaVincy]

@TheFederalEurope It's not a game, it's a dumb algorithm that generates scripts based on user-generated content to print useless, mutually contradictory information about a nation whose population increases at a steady unchanged rate.