Sen. Grassley Highlights Public Option Trojan Horse Clips

[dutchhaze1]

Okay to your first response:

Healthcare is a universal HUMAN right. Something we all can agree that is very important. I agree it's not a constitutional right, but that doesn't make it less important. Remember, slavery was allowed in the constitution before.

A gov. should work FOR the people and right now thousands are dying and millions are uninsured and going bankrupt.

Do you really believe that insurance comp. should make record profits while denying care. You're pretty sick.

[dutchhaze1]

Grassley you suck

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Why do you say that?

[dutchhaze1]

Hmmmm....For putting down the only plan to bring healthcare to all Americans, while at the same time not giving us an alternative plan.

Again, Grassley, you suck!

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Where in the Constitution do you find a "right" to health care?

If you use the "general welfare" clause I will point out that it's ambiguous and could be used to open to the door to anything--including gov't-subsidized car insurance.

Lastly, look at Medicare, it's tens of trillions in the red and pays doctors a lot less than those with private or employer-sponsored insurance.

[dutchhaze1]

Hmmm? The constitution is a document that was written way before the initiation of modern medicine, and before corporate greed in was shutting out at least 30 Million Americans out of basic health care needs. Not to mention, bankrupting, and to put it frankly, letting 40,000 people each year die dude to lack of insurance. All that for profit mind you

In the constitution we are given a blueprint for how to Govern our great nation, which includes making laws that protect our citizens.

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Well, you can amend the Constitution, just arguing that it's "primitive" doesn't make health care a constitutional right. It seems you realize this.

You mean people actually go into business to make a profit! NO!!!

I would dispute that 30 million number, at least you didn't say 46 million.

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Do you think Medicare and Social Security (two gov't-run programs) are a success?

They're 43 trillion in the red. No private business could run these deficits and survive without a taxpayer-funded bailout/

We're going to bail out Medicare and SS, it's going to cost our children big time.

[dutchhaze1]

To your second response:

Sorry but this is a partial red -herring tactic on your part. You can't put the healthcare crisis that isn't Government runned and compare against two gov programs.

The insurance companies are doing the damage sans the gov. You've still not offered a solution. And PLEASE dont say tort reform.

I also want to add that you're starting to throw out numbers that aren't proven true. Let's stick to the facts here if you're going to hold my numbers accountable.

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Part of the reason health care premiums are so high is because out-of-pocket payments have gone way down over the last 50 years, the gov't share has gone up markedly. We have a system of third-party payments.

In addition, the number of state mandates is in the thousands now.

Does car insurance pay for oil changes and brakes? Why does health insurance pay for Skelaxin?

Medicare and Social Security are in fact, 43 trillion in the hole. You obviously haven't read the trustees' report.

[dutchhaze1]

Without regulation premiums will rise along with the profits of the insurance companies. Healthcare is not car insurance and shouldn't be run the same way. We got CEO's earning money close to the billions in only a few years, while OUR premiums rise. Our Gov. should protect the people, not them and their profits.

Where is your solution? Still waiting.

To fix SS, raise the payroll tax, stop cutting taxes for the wealthy. Healthcare, get rid of the middle man profiteers, and save a life!

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Our premiums are rising because of all these third-party payments. As I said before, car insurance doesn't pay for oil changes, why does health insurance pay for the chiropracter?

Health insurance should be for extreme events like surgery or a heart bypass, etc.

My solution is to scuttle most of these mandates and allow people to purchase health ins. across state lines.

Dump these community rating and guaranteed issue provisions too.

[dutchhaze1]

Car insurance and Health insurance are far from the same thing. This goes back to my argument that HEALTH is important and something the Gov. should step in and make sure it's done right. I'm not even for universal health care, but I am for cost containment and the public option is the PERFECT way to contain cost. The Insurance companies have shown that they WILL increase premiums at will to help their bottom lines. Look at the PwC report.

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That argument about car and health insurance not being comparable doesn't fly. Both are a business and I doubt anyone can get along without either.

Look at all the claim lines Medicare denies, look at all the fraudulent payments made by it, look at how little doctors get paid under it.

The public option won't contain cost.

This was tried in HI with Keiki Care, UHC for children. So many people (who already had private ins.) flooded that "public option" they had to dump it after 7 months.

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The payroll tax has already been raised over a dozen times since it was enacted, you're only kicking the can down the road and raising costs on growing companies.

As far as cutting taxes for the wealthy, you do realize the top 1% pay a larger share of all income taxes collected than the bottom 95% and the bottom 50% barely pay taxes at all.

[dutchhaze1]

Payroll tax has been raised on the middle class.

The top 1% also OWN 90% of the nations WEALTH! You're really not thinking about this are you?

Do you cheer when you see the dealer win at the casino?

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Are you admitting your "facts" on who pays what share of income taxes is incorrect?

Whether I cheer the dealer or not is irrelevant.

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P.S. Clinton and his Dem Congress were the last ones to raise payroll taxes on the middle class.

[dutchhaze1]

And what happened? Budget balanced and a period of economic stability, until your boy Bush stepped in.

[dutchhaze1]

Oh and BY THE WAY, here is the current number regarding SS and Healthcare:

".....its federal deficit forecasts upward to project an imbalance this year of $1.84 trillion"

With an increase in the deficit by 500 Billion every year after that. So you're only off by about 40 Trillion, lol. Don't throw out future numbers, like that that. I said stick to the facts. 43 Trillion if WE DO NOTHING ABOUT IT.

I think you should read the recent PwC Reprt on Healthcare Insurance practices. DREADFUL

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Basically, you're admitting that my point was correct, SS and Medicare are heading off of a cliff.

Of course "doing something about it" from a liberal perspective means more taxes. The 43 trillionshortfall is a fact, you hjave a problem with planning for the future? Don't you ever look ahead concerning your own budget?

Actually, Medicare denies a higher % of claim lines than UHC, Humana, Health Net, Coventry, CIGNA, Anthem or Aetna.

[dutchhaze1]

You act like we didnt see this coming. Baby Boomers are getting OLD! This was expected.

43 Trillion is an ESTIMATION, not a real number. That's like me saying I will live to be only 70 because all four of my grandparents did. Means nothing if I don't do anything to prevent it.

Last time we balanced the budget (D-Bill Clinton) we did it by raising taxes on the wealthy, among other things. Wealthy Americans pay less taxes in %.

A 25 yr old would be DENIED much less than if 89 on a deathbed!

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"Baby Boomers are getting OLD."

I find it hilarious that the gov't never considered the affects on this legalized SS Ponzi scheme if they base shrinks and the top expands exponentially.

Clinton's top income tax levels were still well below those of the 70s, he did it with a GOP Congress and he lowered the cap gains tax to 20%, from 28%.

I've seen the IRS data, the top quintile pay more than the bottom four. Sorry!