"A nation that mandates the primacy of one ethnicity or religion over all others will eventually become psychologically dysfunctional.. the racist state becomes increasingly paranoid, its society closed and insular, intellectually limited.. The state lashes out in a crazed effort, lacking any sense of proportion, to reassure itself of its strength.. This society no longer recognizes any boundaries, geographical or moral."
- M. Warschawski, 'The Crisis of Israeli Society,' 2004.
What a disgrace this woman. You're a token minority your idiot. Half of your people was expelled from your country so that the ones that remained could enjoy rights without risking the jewish character of the state.
There is no problem with any of the religions (the renound ones) The problems are purely fictional and if you look deeper into any religion they could all theoraticly live in harmony with eachother whilst following all teachings of the text. The problems are deep seeded into peoples minds. As you can see from this conversation alone this is the Human race Divided and Conquered, just as planned.
@MyMentalPrison You have not abilety to see behind the numbers? I juste to beat my black neighbour. As I wanted his house. I pulled of the tires on his car, knife his son. Beat his doughter. Eventually he placed himself as guard. He jumped at me if I came close to his car. I took video and showed to the police his brutalety. The concluded we where both mad. But if they listened- you would see that every day I proclaimed his descturion- and every day he asked for peace. I suffer alof from him..
@MyMentalPrison "Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29
Sura (9:123) - "O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness"
The thing you deny- is that the Quran is the most facist book ever written. There is no room for equality between religioius groups in the Quran. Its the exact word from Allah that is it not. It is not the WEST who is intolerant.
zionism is the problem of the world, zionists can never accept another religious group being happy and feeling safe in their own country. Zionist fake "jews," cannot even afford their own American friends with respect (9/11.) If there was a two-state solution the zionist "jews," on either side of palestine would impose "avoda ivrit," (jewish labor.) The only future for the middle east is without zionist terrorism.
Netanyahu (terrorist) is calling for war with iran because he is a good "jew."
@scorpian8king lol, zionism is the problem of the world? your kidding right? when the islamic caliphate was trying to conquer austria, france, greece, spain, sicily, italy, macedonia, etc. it was because of zionism right? lol get a fucking grip clown.
@scorpian8king I'm not Jewish, but bless the Jewish people for their contribution to science, technology, medicine, academia, philosophy.. Christians can leave safely in Israel without the constant threat of rape, random violence or assassination. How could the Jews be so bad if they contribute so much to medicine? Why have Jewish scientists, like other scientists produced life-saving medicine? Would they be evil if they were doing such things?
@energylots you're so fucking ignorant it's amazing, "jews," are not a race the haplogroup j distinctive in the DNA of ancient "jews," is not found in any of your so called "ashkenazim,," what they contributed to anything you beli[eve them to be soveriegn over all the other achievements of other people to allow such accomplishments, fuck israel and fuck zionism brainwash. Keep your fucking swine flu and your cure i will die happy using my own traditional medicine as a native american.
@scorpian8king "you're so fucking ignorant it's amazing" <-- Why are you swearing at me? If I am wrong, then prove me wrong, why are you using swear words?
Don't put words in my mouth, I never mentioned anything about Jews being a racial group. Who care what they are, my point is that they have contributed so much to society. What are you going to do about Einstein?
Who is to say I am even a Zionist? I just think Israel is an amazing country for all ethnic groups.
@energylots keep your opinions, the zionist and "israel," is a terrorist nation don't bring Einstien into the arguement we are not talking about the people who adhere to judaism we are talking about the zionist terrorist which persecute the ethnic groups in palestine, i've been to israel as a brown native american i traveled to "israel," and have seen the zinoist in action; very racist people giving me racist glares everywhere. The so called "enemies," the "arabs," were far more kind and honest.
@energylots " I just think Israel is an amazing country for all ethnic groups" Are you high man?! if you are an Israeli, I would understand your comment. But if you are not, then I repeat: Are you high man?
there was thousand Algerian collaborators of colonialism and so Algeria become independant and they are treated like dogs by the former colonialist. So I don't know if she is really arab from palestine and not a fraud but PALESTINE WILL BE FREE, ZIONISM will fail !
im guess this girl christian that why i think that if arab can be sraeli citzen i will allowit only if is christian theyr r muh better than stupied muslim so much diffrents thank u girl god bless the supporters of israel
@xassxass haha this is hypocracy at its finest they use home made rockets while Israel have tanks and well supplied millitary if you came to my land, bulldozed my house shot innocent children and women then you are a terrorist. Did you know 0.03% of the Deaths as a result of the Occupied territories were Israeli Soldiers, the rest of these were Palestinians, a large portion of which were innocent. Please wake up
WHY is it that the 117-page Amnesty International report "found no evidence of Palestinian militants using human shields to stop Israeli attacks, but it accuses the Israel Defence Forces of launching attacks from buildings in which Palestinian civilians were sheltering, and charges Israeli forces with killing hundreds of unarmed Palestinian civilians and wanton destruction of thousands of homes."??
- Koutsoukis, J. (2009). Israeol used human shields: Amnesty, The Age.
Islam is the problem in Palestine, Muslims can never ever accept another religious group being happy and feeling safe in their own country. Palestinian Muslims cannot even afford their own Palestinian Christian friends with respect. If there was any Two-State Solution the Palestinian Muslims on either side of Israel would impose Sharia and throw out Secularism. The only future for Palestine is without Islam.
Hizb Ut Tahrir is calling for a global caliphate because they are good muslims.
@energylots that's a ridiculous statement. how could a system be just or legitimate in any sense if religious freedom was not entrenched in the law. not only is that implausible, it's morally wrong as well. just like any other religion, islam does not necessarily imply extremism
Actually if you knew anything it's that the Palestinians arer both Muslim AND Christians!!! And both are ethnically cleansed the same because they are considered ethnically inferior by racists like you!
this is very true finly some body that speaks the truth al arabs and muslim that lives in israel are 10 times more happy then in all the muslim states and ofcurse iran in iran if women says she want to go in to politcas they hang here after about 5 minuts musliim need to read more of the quran and learn and more of this learn more from israel for how to treat ppl peace
This girl is from the Druze community - they were bought out by the Israelis upon the establishment of the state. They serve in the military and call themselves Israeli - you can hear that this girl has a Hebrew-English accent instead of an Arab-English accent when she speaks, which means her education was through the Jewish schools (uncommon for most Arab-Israelis). It's not hard to find the Druze promoting Israel, their loyalty is bought. This is total BS, Stand With Us propaganda.
@matlm ah but see , North Africa was just an IDEOLOGICAL change, Most North Africa has remained unchanged as the native population, The Muslims never claimed territories for fraudulent ethnic nationalism; the places became Muslim remained more or less local
The comparison is not even REMOTELY analogous, nice try, but isnt stealing the Palestinians land and greedily inhabiting it like parasites is a bit worth than taxes;. nice try though, you keep reverting to this even though it was debunked.
Mahmood42978 Very good you can debate (know some terms) a bit, then spend some more time on the facts of history please because your arguments are still foolish.
Because the original inhabitants where certainly no palestinians, because they didn't exist when the Jews already lived there.
Again they have (a) land(s) even more then one (syria jordan lebanon egypt), so stop whining about that little peace of territory. Just go to your "brothers" land and start working to build something.
@Idontliketerrorists You just contradicted yourself said "they already had a state" I was working off your premise. Indeed Nation-States are recent. Regardless,.your point is a false a-prior. the land wasn't the possession of the non-indigenous parties. The British weren't the "owners" of the territory; they were the thieves of the territory; Theft =/= Ownership. I. The reason you're perplexed is because your premises were WRONG from the GET GO. then you asky why they wont make peace?
Yes or no: does israel give more rights to arabs than your prophet mohammad gave to jews and christians. Hint - do muslims in Israel pay a Jizya? Kindly criticize Mohammad for his subjugation before you criticize Israel.
Israel took the native land of these people;this in itself is robbing people of any their "rights"; this is not nearly comparable. to having to pay a tax for something that is intended for the benefit of minority communities.
I would criticize, but there's really nothing to criticize, and furthermore it is irrelevant, for even I agree with you, two wrongs wouldn't make a right, in your case, you compare apples and oranges.
Israel took the native land of these people? So what? People have been taking other people's land for centuries. Mohammad took the land of the Jews of Khybar and took away their rights. Do you condemn him for it? Mohammad went around conquering land. Why can't the Jews do it? He got to expel belligerent people, why can't the jews do it?
@matlm This isn't true, because Jews are not native to Khaibar, Palestinians are native to their respective region. So what? Well so nothing, except that the claim of tyranny is squarely on Israel, the moral equivalence isn't the same, even if we assume your portrayal of events as so; Muhammad(saw) did so ON HIS native land, Israelis are foreigners.
This is what makes the Israeli claim lose legitimacy. There is something called right of way, which Israelis dont have by dint of being foreign
The Jews lived there when Mohammad's ancestors were eating pork, burying their daughters alive, and worshiping idols. They didn't steal the land from anyone and moved there peacefully. The non-native argument can be used against anyone cuz everyone came from Africa.
The Israelis are in fact native to Israel, they have returned to their land after 2000 years. Throughout history people have been conquered and expelled. Mohammad was a great conquerer and he expelled many people.
@matlm I never said they didn't live there;I said they're not natives, Some Jews abandoned Judaism and embraced Christianity, some embraced Islam, some just gave up on Judaism altogether. Regardless, they weren't natives of Yathrib, it wasn't "theirs" in fact the historicity of a definitively Jewish land is dubious by even Jewish scholars llke Shlomo Sands The historicity of Palestinians being natives; is well established by independent sources. Biblical claims are not academically credible
@matlm I just explained why, you clearly just don't want to hear reality as it is. which is fine, you have a vested interest in maintaining certain status quo. I have nothing against Jews, but Israel is a political matter. Of course I'm sure you're going to hop up and down like a monkey and use Emotional Blackmail tactics like the "Anti Semitism" care.
Jews didn't fare well under Muslims? You clearly should read Maimonides then; Muslims weren't robbing Jews of their homes as Israel does.
Shlomo Sands is not a credible scholar. The link of the Jews to Israel is proven via genetics.
Jews faired okay under Islam, depending on where they where. Arabs in Israel fair far better under Jews in the Muslim world.
You're right, Israel is a political issue. The Jews and Muslims fought a war. The Muslims lost. It's time for the Muslims to stop bitching. That's politics!
@matlm Shlomo Sands is in fact a credible scholar he teaches in one of Israel's major universities;. The link of the Jews to Israel is not proven by genetics; on the account that the "Cohen" Markers exist in Palestinians too. This would only mean they have traits other Mideast groups have. This does not prove they're native.
robbing these people of their livelihood is violating their essential welfare. Even the Saudis didnt do that. having some sycophantic people applaud it, does not redeem you
@matlm also about genetics; the studies of Ashkenazim that you're indirectly referring to only shows-Y-chromosomal DNA links, we need to see Mitochondrial DNA as well to determine if they're really Middle Eastern, or maybe have very small percentage of Middle Eastern blood but really being predominantly European; which if is shown would further reinforce that they're not actually natives even to the Middle East itself nevermind Israel
No emotional blackmail. Let's just look at the facts. There is historical evidence that the Jews ruled Jerusalem. No historical evidence that a monotheistic religion ever ruled Mecca before Mohammad. But it was okay for Mohammad to take Mecca from the pagans, so why can't the Jews take Jerusalem from someone else, especially given their historical claims. This holds true for most of the lands Mohammad conquered. His tribe wasn't from there. The Jews are from Israel.
@matlm Actually this claim too is dubious. Canaanites who CONVERTED to Judaism ruled Jerusalem sure. But there was never any specific Judaic claim on Jerusalem outside of the Biblical text. Hebrews, were not monotheistic until perhaps the third century; that's why you have constant references to Hebrews worshipping Canaanite Gods, well because those Hebrews weren't Hebrews at all they were Canaanites. Those same Canaanites, became Jews, then Christian, then ultimately Muslim.
@matlm Also your argument about religious ideology vs. nativity is flawed; because religion is not a genetic trait nor does it determine the nativity of a people. An example of this are the Palestinians themselves. Many of them became Jews, then Christians and then Muslims. The argument of Monotheism in Arabia as only coming into being during Muhammad (something not completely true either way) is pretty irrelevant
There is actually a TON of evidence on mitochondrial DNA. Just do a google search on "mitochondrial dna, ashkenazi jews." Jew's are clearly linked to the near east. The Palestinians are just Jews who converted to Christianity and Islam (the ones who stayed around). They were both originally Canaanites.
".. other studies by Behar indicate that this mtDNA is different from other Jewish populations found outside of Europe, leaving the possibility of a separate origin or even a European origin a distinct possibility."
#1) only 4 women, Which means possibly fewer men account for Askhenazi
#2) mtDNA of different origin
So 4 women, and thus statistically fewer men account for Ashkenazim for 40% of the population rest have mtDNA distinct from the middle East
It comes down to this - Throughout the history of the world there has been a ton of colonialism. Israel is the only example of a people returning home. It's wrong to criticize Israel and give a pass to everyone else, and yes it's anti-Semitic. The argument "you have to start somewhere" doesn't fly because it begs the question - well fine, but why start with the Jewish State? A war was fought, the Palestinians lost, time to move on and make peace.
@matlm Even if we this is true; your admission to this debunks your claim of "being more just" . So arguing from a Tu Qoque Fallacy; does not justify your case, rather it hurts it as it verifies your lack of legitimate claim of land belonging to the native population. Having handful of ancestors from ME would not make you natives if most of your DNA originates elsewhere, Y-DNA only shows a male founder, and we see only a few female founders from the ME. We find the opposite with Palestinians
Just a"mish mash" of different people? You sir have accomplished something Hitler was unable to do. He would be proud of you because not even he could acheieve such great anti-semenitism as denying the core existence of the Jewish people. Hats off to you my friend. Shlomo Sands has less credability than Holocaust deniers. Read his wikipedia page and the cited sources. Zero credability.
@matlm I didnt accomplish it; the ancestors of Hebrews did. And using the Hitler card is a scapegoat tactic for lacking a counter argument. The claim anti semitic is bogus as the cultures of the peoples who amalgamated to form the Hebrews was SEMITIC., which makes your claim absurd.
Shlomo Sands has less credibility? He's a University Professor IN Israel ...that's a LOT of credibility, Having some commentary by some other guy who scoffs at Sands, does not discredit shlomo sands
He is not a geneticist. Multiple university professors in Israel have said his work is bullshit. On the one hand there is cold hard science, on the other hand there is fantasy bullshit like that written by Shlomo Sands. Sands has zero credability in the scholarly community, as I said. Tons of professors of Israeli universities have written books and articles on the Middle East Origins of Jews... Care to explain to me how Sands scholarly credentials trumps theirs?
@matlm He's a Historian; which shows the cultural and social aspects of the developing of Jewish identity; and also reveals some migratory patterns. Merely having some emotional outburst by someone else who's clearly upset at Dr.Sand, wouldn't demonstrate his credibility.
If he had zero credibility his position as a researcher would be revoked, and What counts here isn't just status itself; but evidence; what archaeological evidence have those who disagreed with him presented to refute him?
**In a study of Israeli and Palestinian Muslim Arabs, more than 70% of Jewish men and half of the Arab men whose DNA was studied inherited their Y chromosomes from the same paternal ancestors who lived in the region.
^ Nebel A, Filon D, Weiss DA, et al. (December 2000). "High-resolution Y chromosome haplotypes of Israeli and Palestinian Arabs reveal geographic substructure and substantial overlap with haplotypes of Jews". Human Genetics 107 (6): 630–641.
Tell you what - you present me with your credentials in genetics. Where did you get your PhD? Who was your thesis advisor? Can you provide me with a means to read your thesis? You're obviously in a better position to determine whether or not a study is credible than those engaging in the peer-review peer-editting process (do you even know what that is?). So please answer my questions regarding your qualifications.
I will ask again - kindly provide me with a scholarly source showing that their genes are predominately European. The studies clearly say that the Jews are closer genetically Middle Eastern populations than European populations. This means their genes are predominately of Mideast origin.
@matlm Well, as the research points out, there are only 4 ME women that Ashkenzim are linked to. So either you guys did a WHOLE LOT of nuclear family incest (sister with brother, father with daughter etc etc) while you were in Europe or you married quite frequently with Europeans. It's really THAT simple. So which is it, were you screwing your sisters or did you marry into local populations? It's really a process of elimination at this point.
Incest? You have absolutely no idea how this works whatsoever. With 4 distinct matriarchs, there is absolutely no need for incest. Woman 1's kids reproduce with Women 2's kids. Woman 3's kids reproduce with Woman 4's kids. Now woman 1's kids could have also reproduced with women 3 and 4's kids. Sure there might be cousins reproducing with each other, but so what. Mohammad married his cousin. It was common back in the day and common in the Arab world now.
@matlm Let's assume reach woman produced 10 children each, 40 children statistically speaking, during the times of Jewish Diaspora , infant mortalitywas anywhere between 25%-40%, So 6 of those children survive, let's say the survivors were 50% male 50% female and likewise each of them marry their cousins and similar pattern occurs. Then there would have been 25 Million + Jews today, So jews didnt reproduce much, their only way to survive would be miscegenation or incest
Dude again let me give you the conclusion of the experts, one of many in many of tons of studies on this subject. If you wish, you can provide me with your qualifications in genetic analysis in addition to some peer-reviewed peer-edited articles you have done on the subject.
@Mahmood42978 most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level... The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora."
Hammer, M. F.; A. J. Redd, E. T. Wood, M. R. Bonner, H. Jarjanazi, T. Karafet, S. Santachiara-Benerecetti, A. Oppenheim, M. A. Jobling, T. Jenkins, H. Ostrer, and B. Bonné-Tamir (May 9 2000). "Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes". Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 97 (12):
@matlm right ....founders ..let's see the studies of the entire Haplotypes between middle easterners and ashkenazim. because if you want to go to further into founder populations/ We're all african in that case. I hope you understand what I am getting at.
So explain to me how Jews across continents are generally genetically the same if, as you suggest, they have intermingled with the host populations. If thats the case, they would be more different than not. And if you take the time to look at the graph, you will see that they are in fact genetically closer to the other Jews than host populations. It's all there dude. You might as well deny gravity lol.
@matlm I dont think you've read these papers; they dont say they're "essentially the same" they say that they have founder populations rooted in the middle east, it would be unlikely for them to be in a completely middle eastern gene pool for such a long time.
Again, see the graph on the actual article. They are genetically closer to each other than to their host populations. See table 2. The article addresses the mixing in of European genes. They are suggesting that about 12.5% of the genome is of European origin. This makes sense if you look at Table 2.
@matlm and no the studies say you guys have Y-chromosomal FOUNDER ancestors in the ME. which is fine, makes sense, but this doesn't mean your gene pools are predominantly middle eastern. It's like some white guy claiming he's native American because his one single grandmother was.
Dude you really have no clue how this works. It's a direct lineage. My mom has the middle eastern gene, her mom had the middle eastern gene, her mom had the middle eastern gene and on and on till the founding matriach. Same with the father. Of course, you're more than welcome to present me with some scholarly research from a peer-reviewed peer-edited scientific journal supporting position that the genetics Jews is more other than Middle Eastern.
@matlm has a "gene" but what about the REST of their genes? all middle eastern? Highly unlikely. I dont deny they may have A GENE or even 10 Genes, that mark to the Middle East, POSSIBLY, but what about the rest? You're saying a handful of people , 4 founder women account for ALL the Genes of the European Jewry? IMPOSSIBLE ..not even by incest is that possible.
You're also welcome to present scholarly research; because as of yet what you have shown doesnt support your argument
@matlm This doesn't really "prove" anything logically speaking, if an Israeli Askkanzim had ONE ME forefather that went to Europe. successive generations married European women, THIS would be included in the study. Still their genes would be still predominantly European. And if Pali-Arabs had predominantly mothers of the region, they'd be defacto natives. What is their sample space? Are they using Outliers? You have to show more to get a smoking gun
Study after study has proven an ancient israeli origin of the Jewish people. You yourself have demonstrated an ignorance of these studies by claiming that there were no mitochondrial dna studies. In other words, you are in no position to discuss the subject due to an utter lack of research. All you've done is read a book with zero credability. How about I read the Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and then claim to know a thing or two about Islam?
@matlm actually what I proved is that there is no origin; they're merely people who adopted an ideology from DIFFERENT cultures throughout time.
The Mitochrondrial DNA studies; confirm what I was saying before; there were few if any female links to the ME, and the rest are non-ME and of those links, it was 4 founder women, and the rest are intermarriages with Locals of Europe. Which makes the majority of the blood european
What do you mean I didnt research? I present information from research
Okay Mohammad was from Arabia so he could go to another city in Arabia and take it over. Fine. Well the Jews of Europe were from earth, so they can go to another location in earth and take it over. Problem solved.
Shlomo Sands work is not considered research. It is considered garbage. Commentary is sufficient. You don't need an expert to write a textbook on Mein Kempf to know it's full of B.S.
Again the DNA study shows that the Jews were a tight-knit group. The European Jews in question descended from 4 women. This is a good thing. If you wish to claim that the majority of the European Jewery's genome is European, kindly provide me with a scholarly source. I prefer a peer-review peer-edited journal article - in a respected journal.
@matlm in this context Anti-semitism is a scapegoat for Zionist apologists; there are empirical and historical considerations that delegitimize Israel. Jews were not a distinct group just a mish mash of different peoples that adopted an ideology, they were not homogeneous. It's the usurping is current, not ancient. Arguing "moving on" is disingenuous, because if that was the case Israel would not have usurped Palestinian land, but rather moved on after WWII, why couldn't Israel just "move on"?
"In a commentary published in Haaretz, Israel Bartal, dean of the humanities faculty of the Hebrew University, writes that Sand's claims about Zionist and contemporary Israeli historiography are baseless, calling the work "bizarre and incoherent," and that Sand's "…treatment of Jewish sources is embarrassing and humiliating."
So you are saying that because Israel's usuprtion of land is allegedly in the present it is bad. Then certainly, you would have said to Mohammad - "Mohammad do not usurp Khybar, you are not from Khybar. The land belongs to the people of Khybar, not you" - if you were alive.
@matlm No, but we have more detailed information of what's going on The Jews of Khaibar, were not native to Khaibar. So you keep returning to this point despite the fact I already debunked the premise behind it. The Current Israels, may have had some ancestry from the region; but their predominant genetic make up shows they're from Europe and elsewhere. Having a handful of ME ancestors from thousands of years ago isn't being a native. Muhammad was arab and Khabair was in Arabia
To call Israel apartheid is narrow minded, uneducated antisemitism, and lets face it, its another LOAD OF BULLSHIT!! I went to school in Israel with both arabs and jews. We shop together, socialize, and laugh at the tactics of both sides of extreme ignorant behavior!
Until islam is wiped of the face of the earth, there can be no peace on the planet. islam is from satan and is his tool to cause harm, hate, and evil on the earth, in the process of setting his one world religion and false prophet in place to support the rise of the anti Christ.
@GTCism Until western white civilization/Christian/Judaic worldview is wiped off the planet. There will be no peace on the planet. Islam Christianity and Judaism are all man made political tools of mind control over people. I have no love for Islam but Christianity/Judaic has do so much damage across this globe. The imperialism colonialism wars coups assignation land stealing resource stealing and etc.
@GTCism Your comments speak of Islam doing all the worlds evil the past 2000yrs since the Greeks. I'm of African decent and understand that western white civilization Arabs Christianity and Judaism have brought nothing but death destruction and chaos among those who didn't want to have anything to do with them. All three have this absolute mentally that their way is the truth because their god said it is the truth. Its all political bullshit designed to get power over other people and cultures.
@77unclefedor , hahaha definitely you are an Israelian cunt (terrorist) or an asshole supporter(terrorism supporter ) , obviously your knowledge about ravishment , democracy are away different than humanity , so fuck off … and I don’t care about this bitch ,she turns with her colonist , she is probably a spy or a pornstar thats what Israel want from her , she has no life at all
Ya , I’m more qualified than her , and i know the truth, Israel is just a colonist ..well-known fact , and yaa israel gave her democracy and freedom by raping her country and society , killing innocent kids and women , destroying her mind and made her believe that Israel is her country... where it is not , obviously her answers are ridiculous and far away from any logical sense, they taught her how and what to say , and it is just still FAKE ..
It's because Zionists don't consider anyone who is not Jewish to be human. That is how they're able to commit mass-murder and then hold open celebrations of the deaths..... it's this sickeningly racist ethnic supremacist Talmudic culture they're brought into.
Arabs killed hundreds of thousands of Black africans in Sudan for oil and genocide and we are splitting hairs over whether a well fed, well educated, well cared for free women is a victim of APARTHEID bc religious leaders might not recognize a marriage she would have.
She's happy to be a partial citizen of a Western style government, rather than a member of an Arab state that is bribed and coerced NOT to be a democracy by Western governments.
She says @ 00:51 that Israel is a democracy..... What a joke. Isnt the very same speaker is classified as a third class citizen in so cold Israel, Go to Jerusalem and see how much racisim against the Arabs by the Israeli government and its policies that aim to enlarge Jewish land and control on Arab lands. Is this a democracy?
Israel is not an apartheide??? Have you ever and I am asking the speaker Rania Fadeel visited the West Bank and seen the WALL of shame that the democrac built?
@freedomfighter84 Hey stupid, the West Bank is governed by Hamas. The Israeli government has no say there, it's controlled solely by muslims. The muslim states are apartheid enforcers not Israel. But then again you muslims always blame someone else for what you do.
@JohnnyRock2000 Gaza is under Hamas control completely, if Israel were in control they would have stopped the rocket attacks. The West Bank and Gaza don't even have Israeli settlements anymore, they stay out until the rocket attacks get to be too much then go in, get the rockets and any other arms they find and leave. Keep listening to muzzy's and you'll keep making yourself look like a fool.
@TheBardicDruid - Listening to no one, but observation. Seems that Israel has learned that domination and oppression will illicit a response that they can then crush at huge cost to the enemy, which results in more land and more Israeli control for domination and oppression and more responses....etc.. Israel barters the lives and safely of it's citizens for empire building.
@JohnnyRock2000 In the history of the world, never has a nation lost ground building an empire. Never has a nation building an empire worked for peace. You arguments have no legs, they can't stand.
@TheBardicDruid - Interesting. I will agree that empire building very often works. But there are huge failures. I'm not a genius of history, but in first thought what comes to mind are the failures of the USSR, the Romans, the Ottomans, the French, the Germans. They all pulled back and lost land. Now too, is the UN and the World Court which might eventually lend some sanity to greedy military countries.
@xShotGUNxShoGUNx And you think so because...? She is an arab that lives in Israel, and says that she is treated well by Israel and is given full Israeli rights. She also mentions that Israel is a democracy and that arabs who live there are free to voice their own opinions about Israel, unlike what is permitted in the majority of the muslim countries. What more do you need to see that Israel is not the monster you make it out to be?? You should watch this as well: /watch?v=7w8nTcjDdzk
@DeliriousLife1 Ok mate, I'm sure Palestinians just adore the way Israel loves them. I see this in the news all the time - how much Palestinians simply love Israel. In fact whenever you see the suppressed Palestinians that have lost their land/homes and family demonstrating and are interviewed by international news reporters, the fist thing they always say is "we just lovvvve Israel and the IDF, and the way it treats us" - "WE LOVE IT!"
@DeliriousLife1 So u were right on this, I hope I have cleared this up with you. I will go further and say the Palestinians are Israel's greatest fans - Infant since they "love" the Israeli military so much, there are even more Palestinians in the IDF than Jews.
@JohnnyRock2000 Yes she can but just not in Israel as Israel only has religious marriages for the various religious groups each performed by his or her own clergy. But if married outside Israel in a civil ceremony elsewhere it would be fully recognized
@DeliriousLife1 At the height of the Nazi regime in occupied France, the Nazis used French traitors for propaganda purposes. Jews, at the time victims of German oppression, were running for their lives, and apparently taking notes...
@xShotGUNxShoGUNx Your statements show me that you know nothing of Israel. Your just another loud mouth that believes that if you say something loud enough people will believe you. Sorry guy, all you do is make yourself look ignorant.
@TheBardicDruid Ok mate, I'm sure Palestinians just adore the way Israel loves them. I see this in the news all the time - how much Palestinians simply love Israel. In fact whenever you see the suppressed Palestinians that have lost their land/homes and family demonstrating and are interviewed by international news reporters, the fist thing they always say is "we just lovvvve Israel and the IDF, and the way it treats us" - "WE LOVE IT!"
@xShotGUNxShoGUNx So u were right on this, I hope I have cleared this up with you. I will go further and say the Palestinians are Israel's greatest fans - Infant since they "love" the Israeli military so much, there are even more Palestinians in the IDF than Jews.
@xShotGUNxShoGUNx Yeah your one of them loudmouths that always post against whatever the thread is about. Must make you feel like a man to "stand against the world", well all your verbal diarrhea is nothing more than a neon sign that says "stupid". You don't have the slightest idea of what's going on but your going to yell your opinion at the top of your lungs, because you believe if your loud enough, your right.
@TheBardicDruid Ok mate, I'm sure Palestinians just adore the way Israel loves them. I see this in the news all the time - how much Palestinians simply love Israel. In fact whenever you see the suppressed Palestinians that have lost their land/homes and family demonstrating and are interviewed by international news reporters, the fist thing they always say is "we just lovvvve Israel and the IDF, and the way it treats us" - "WE LOVE IT!"
@xShotGUNxShoGUNx Agreed, she has "Ashkenazi" Syndrome. When the Israeli Arabs want to feel part of the Israeli community the succumb to acting like them their Zionist overlords
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"A nation that mandates the primacy of one ethnicity or religion over all others will eventually become psychologically dysfunctional.. the racist state becomes increasingly paranoid, its society closed and insular, intellectually limited.. The state lashes out in a crazed effort, lacking any sense of proportion, to reassure itself of its strength.. This society no longer recognizes any boundaries, geographical or moral."
- M. Warschawski, 'The Crisis of Israeli Society,' 2004.
OrthodoxDarwinist 4 hours ago
Bullshit video!
ammar500 1 day ago
@ammar500 are you going to explain your views and thought process or do you think two words is sufficient?
nadav10 17 hours ago
SELF-HATING ARAB
GustavoCLa 3 days ago
@GustavoCLa
The Palestinians should return to their true religion -- Judaism.
BennyDACHO 2 days ago
@BennyDACHO Define "true religion".
GustavoCLa 1 day ago
@GustavoCLa
Many of them were originally Jewish but were forced to convert to Islam.
BennyDACHO 1 day ago
@BennyDACHO Their true religion is the religion they believe.
GustavoCLa 15 hours ago
@GustavoCLa
No, it's not. They were forced by means of violence and threats to convert from Judaism to Islam.
There is actually a documentary about how some of them want to return to Judaism.
BennyDACHO 15 hours ago
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What a disgrace this woman. You're a token minority your idiot. Half of your people was expelled from your country so that the ones that remained could enjoy rights without risking the jewish character of the state.
GustavoCLa 3 days ago
Watch out the "she was paid by Zionists to say so" comments are coming!
HebrewFatherland 3 days ago
There is no problem with any of the religions (the renound ones) The problems are purely fictional and if you look deeper into any religion they could all theoraticly live in harmony with eachother whilst following all teachings of the text. The problems are deep seeded into peoples minds. As you can see from this conversation alone this is the Human race Divided and Conquered, just as planned.
MyMentalPrison 3 days ago
@MyMentalPrison You have not abilety to see behind the numbers? I juste to beat my black neighbour. As I wanted his house. I pulled of the tires on his car, knife his son. Beat his doughter. Eventually he placed himself as guard. He jumped at me if I came close to his car. I took video and showed to the police his brutalety. The concluded we where both mad. But if they listened- you would see that every day I proclaimed his descturion- and every day he asked for peace. I suffer alof from him..
xassxass 3 days ago
@MyMentalPrison "Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29
Sura (9:123) - "O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness"
The thing you deny- is that the Quran is the most facist book ever written. There is no room for equality between religioius groups in the Quran. Its the exact word from Allah that is it not. It is not the WEST who is intolerant.
xassxass 3 days ago
Bless this woman
mn21297 5 days ago 3
zionism is the problem of the world, zionists can never accept another religious group being happy and feeling safe in their own country. Zionist fake "jews," cannot even afford their own American friends with respect (9/11.) If there was a two-state solution the zionist "jews," on either side of palestine would impose "avoda ivrit," (jewish labor.) The only future for the middle east is without zionist terrorism.
Netanyahu (terrorist) is calling for war with iran because he is a good "jew."
scorpian8king 6 days ago
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@scorpian8king lol, zionism is the problem of the world? your kidding right? when the islamic caliphate was trying to conquer austria, france, greece, spain, sicily, italy, macedonia, etc. it was because of zionism right? lol get a fucking grip clown.
particle58 6 days ago
@scorpian8king Islam is at war with the whole world.
stenchmachine 4 days ago
@scorpian8king congratulations on your superb comprehension skills, regarding this video, world history and general international relations.
angel7piano 3 days ago
@scorpian8king I'm not Jewish, but bless the Jewish people for their contribution to science, technology, medicine, academia, philosophy.. Christians can leave safely in Israel without the constant threat of rape, random violence or assassination. How could the Jews be so bad if they contribute so much to medicine? Why have Jewish scientists, like other scientists produced life-saving medicine? Would they be evil if they were doing such things?
energylots 3 days ago
@energylots you're so fucking ignorant it's amazing, "jews," are not a race the haplogroup j distinctive in the DNA of ancient "jews," is not found in any of your so called "ashkenazim,," what they contributed to anything you beli[eve them to be soveriegn over all the other achievements of other people to allow such accomplishments, fuck israel and fuck zionism brainwash. Keep your fucking swine flu and your cure i will die happy using my own traditional medicine as a native american.
scorpian8king 3 days ago
@scorpian8king "you're so fucking ignorant it's amazing" <-- Why are you swearing at me? If I am wrong, then prove me wrong, why are you using swear words?
Don't put words in my mouth, I never mentioned anything about Jews being a racial group. Who care what they are, my point is that they have contributed so much to society. What are you going to do about Einstein?
Who is to say I am even a Zionist? I just think Israel is an amazing country for all ethnic groups.
energylots 3 days ago
@energylots keep your opinions, the zionist and "israel," is a terrorist nation don't bring Einstien into the arguement we are not talking about the people who adhere to judaism we are talking about the zionist terrorist which persecute the ethnic groups in palestine, i've been to israel as a brown native american i traveled to "israel," and have seen the zinoist in action; very racist people giving me racist glares everywhere. The so called "enemies," the "arabs," were far more kind and honest.
scorpian8king 3 days ago
@energylots " I just think Israel is an amazing country for all ethnic groups" Are you high man?! if you are an Israeli, I would understand your comment. But if you are not, then I repeat: Are you high man?
EsMoEi 2 days ago
there was thousand Algerian collaborators of colonialism and so Algeria become independant and they are treated like dogs by the former colonialist. So I don't know if she is really arab from palestine and not a fraud but PALESTINE WILL BE FREE, ZIONISM will fail !
manticorex5452452 6 days ago
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im guess this girl christian that why i think that if arab can be sraeli citzen i will allowit only if is christian theyr r muh better than stupied muslim so much diffrents thank u girl god bless the supporters of israel
Elchaidadon 1 week ago
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israel are the terrorists
MyMentalPrison 1 week ago
@MyMentalPrison No their not. If I kill your family, or try to do so, or even official say that I wish, plan, and work only for that goal.
When the hell did you become the terrorist?
When you armed yourself?
When you "occupied" territory to make sure my plans never saw life?
When you shot me in my attempt to laucnh rockets on you?
Stupidity and ignorance, and lack of knowledge is what make you talk. When the hell are you goint to be smarter then that?
xassxass 1 week ago
@xassxass haha this is hypocracy at its finest they use home made rockets while Israel have tanks and well supplied millitary if you came to my land, bulldozed my house shot innocent children and women then you are a terrorist. Did you know 0.03% of the Deaths as a result of the Occupied territories were Israeli Soldiers, the rest of these were Palestinians, a large portion of which were innocent. Please wake up
MyMentalPrison 3 days ago
@MyMentalPrison Israel is the enemy of all Muslim terrorists.
Israel is able to kill all Muslim terrorists! This is very good.
Unwahrheitsverdreher 1 week ago 8
@Unwahrheitsverdreher FUCK YOU AND FUCK ISRAEL FROM A MUSLIM TERRORIST
mgtosman 1 day ago
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@Unwahrheitsver
WHY is it that the 117-page Amnesty International report "found no evidence of Palestinian militants using human shields to stop Israeli attacks, but it accuses the Israel Defence Forces of launching attacks from buildings in which Palestinian civilians were sheltering, and charges Israeli forces with killing hundreds of unarmed Palestinian civilians and wanton destruction of thousands of homes."??
- Koutsoukis, J. (2009). Israeol used human shields: Amnesty, The Age.
OrthodoxDarwinist 4 hours ago
Islam is the problem in Palestine, Muslims can never ever accept another religious group being happy and feeling safe in their own country. Palestinian Muslims cannot even afford their own Palestinian Christian friends with respect. If there was any Two-State Solution the Palestinian Muslims on either side of Israel would impose Sharia and throw out Secularism. The only future for Palestine is without Islam.
Hizb Ut Tahrir is calling for a global caliphate because they are good muslims.
energylots 1 week ago 6
@energylots that's a ridiculous statement. how could a system be just or legitimate in any sense if religious freedom was not entrenched in the law. not only is that implausible, it's morally wrong as well. just like any other religion, islam does not necessarily imply extremism
angel7piano 3 days ago
@angel7piano What Muslim country in the world allows apostasy?
energylots 3 days ago
@energylots
Actually if you knew anything it's that the Palestinians arer both Muslim AND Christians!!! And both are ethnically cleansed the same because they are considered ethnically inferior by racists like you!
OrthodoxDarwinist 4 hours ago
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inescapablequestionsother.blogspot.com this is a great blog
1992elizz 1 week ago
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learnaboutisrael 2 weeks ago
This girl is from the Druze community - they were bought out by the Israelis upon the establishment of the state. They serve in the military and call themselves Israeli - you can hear that this girl has a Hebrew-English accent instead of an Arab-English accent when she speaks, which means her education was through the Jewish schools (uncommon for most Arab-Israelis). It's not hard to find the Druze promoting Israel, their loyalty is bought. This is total BS, Stand With Us propaganda.
JuniMajnoony 2 weeks ago
@JuniMajnoony
Muslim Arabs have persecuted the Druze Arabs way before the creation of Israel, you fool.
They are Israelis and Zionists as any other Jew Israeli because they themselves are Israeli and they will forever be Israeli.
It is because of scum like you that Druze were persecuted for their beliefs and that is why they are better people than you will ever be.
LeoPhoenixTV 2 weeks ago
Bless Palestinian Christians!
energylots 2 weeks ago
@energylots thank you but still if we see something wrong we do point it out... I dunno wt the hell is up with Rania
eliash1988 2 weeks ago
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@matlm ah but see , North Africa was just an IDEOLOGICAL change, Most North Africa has remained unchanged as the native population, The Muslims never claimed territories for fraudulent ethnic nationalism; the places became Muslim remained more or less local
The comparison is not even REMOTELY analogous, nice try, but isnt stealing the Palestinians land and greedily inhabiting it like parasites is a bit worth than taxes;. nice try though, you keep reverting to this even though it was debunked.
Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
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Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
She might be Arab but she's not Muslim. She's a Druze. Search for Ranya Fadel Druze.
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Mahmood42978 Very good you can debate (know some terms) a bit, then spend some more time on the facts of history please because your arguments are still foolish.
Because the original inhabitants where certainly no palestinians, because they didn't exist when the Jews already lived there.
Again they have (a) land(s) even more then one (syria jordan lebanon egypt), so stop whining about that little peace of territory. Just go to your "brothers" land and start working to build something.
Idontliketerrorists 3 weeks ago
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@Idontliketerrorists You just contradicted yourself said "they already had a state" I was working off your premise. Indeed Nation-States are recent. Regardless,.your point is a false a-prior. the land wasn't the possession of the non-indigenous parties. The British weren't the "owners" of the territory; they were the thieves of the territory; Theft =/= Ownership. I. The reason you're perplexed is because your premises were WRONG from the GET GO. then you asky why they wont make peace?
Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
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Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
so this woman is an uncle tom; this doesn't prove that Israel is just or that Israel doesn't subjugate the natives.
Mahmood42978 1 month ago
@Mahmood42978
Yes or no: does israel give more rights to arabs than your prophet mohammad gave to jews and christians. Hint - do muslims in Israel pay a Jizya? Kindly criticize Mohammad for his subjugation before you criticize Israel.
matlm 3 weeks ago
@matlm No,
Israel took the native land of these people;this in itself is robbing people of any their "rights"; this is not nearly comparable. to having to pay a tax for something that is intended for the benefit of minority communities.
I would criticize, but there's really nothing to criticize, and furthermore it is irrelevant, for even I agree with you, two wrongs wouldn't make a right, in your case, you compare apples and oranges.
Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
@Mahmood42978
Israel took the native land of these people? So what? People have been taking other people's land for centuries. Mohammad took the land of the Jews of Khybar and took away their rights. Do you condemn him for it? Mohammad went around conquering land. Why can't the Jews do it? He got to expel belligerent people, why can't the jews do it?
matlm 3 weeks ago
@matlm This isn't true, because Jews are not native to Khaibar, Palestinians are native to their respective region. So what? Well so nothing, except that the claim of tyranny is squarely on Israel, the moral equivalence isn't the same, even if we assume your portrayal of events as so; Muhammad(saw) did so ON HIS native land, Israelis are foreigners.
This is what makes the Israeli claim lose legitimacy. There is something called right of way, which Israelis dont have by dint of being foreign
Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
@Mahmood42978
The Jews lived there when Mohammad's ancestors were eating pork, burying their daughters alive, and worshiping idols. They didn't steal the land from anyone and moved there peacefully. The non-native argument can be used against anyone cuz everyone came from Africa.
The Israelis are in fact native to Israel, they have returned to their land after 2000 years. Throughout history people have been conquered and expelled. Mohammad was a great conquerer and he expelled many people.
matlm 3 weeks ago
@matlm I never said they didn't live there;I said they're not natives, Some Jews abandoned Judaism and embraced Christianity, some embraced Islam, some just gave up on Judaism altogether. Regardless, they weren't natives of Yathrib, it wasn't "theirs" in fact the historicity of a definitively Jewish land is dubious by even Jewish scholars llke Shlomo Sands The historicity of Palestinians being natives; is well established by independent sources. Biblical claims are not academically credible
Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
@Mahmood42978
Why can't the Jews do the same? Not to mention the fact that the people conquered by the Jews are better off than the Jews under the Muslims.
matlm 3 weeks ago
@matlm I just explained why, you clearly just don't want to hear reality as it is. which is fine, you have a vested interest in maintaining certain status quo. I have nothing against Jews, but Israel is a political matter. Of course I'm sure you're going to hop up and down like a monkey and use Emotional Blackmail tactics like the "Anti Semitism" care.
Jews didn't fare well under Muslims? You clearly should read Maimonides then; Muslims weren't robbing Jews of their homes as Israel does.
Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
@Mahmood42978
Shlomo Sands is not a credible scholar. The link of the Jews to Israel is proven via genetics.
Jews faired okay under Islam, depending on where they where. Arabs in Israel fair far better under Jews in the Muslim world.
You're right, Israel is a political issue. The Jews and Muslims fought a war. The Muslims lost. It's time for the Muslims to stop bitching. That's politics!
matlm 3 weeks ago
@matlm Shlomo Sands is in fact a credible scholar he teaches in one of Israel's major universities;. The link of the Jews to Israel is not proven by genetics; on the account that the "Cohen" Markers exist in Palestinians too. This would only mean they have traits other Mideast groups have. This does not prove they're native.
robbing these people of their livelihood is violating their essential welfare. Even the Saudis didnt do that. having some sycophantic people applaud it, does not redeem you
Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
@matlm also about genetics; the studies of Ashkenazim that you're indirectly referring to only shows-Y-chromosomal DNA links, we need to see Mitochondrial DNA as well to determine if they're really Middle Eastern, or maybe have very small percentage of Middle Eastern blood but really being predominantly European; which if is shown would further reinforce that they're not actually natives even to the Middle East itself nevermind Israel
Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
@Mahmood42978
No emotional blackmail. Let's just look at the facts. There is historical evidence that the Jews ruled Jerusalem. No historical evidence that a monotheistic religion ever ruled Mecca before Mohammad. But it was okay for Mohammad to take Mecca from the pagans, so why can't the Jews take Jerusalem from someone else, especially given their historical claims. This holds true for most of the lands Mohammad conquered. His tribe wasn't from there. The Jews are from Israel.
matlm 3 weeks ago
@matlm Actually this claim too is dubious. Canaanites who CONVERTED to Judaism ruled Jerusalem sure. But there was never any specific Judaic claim on Jerusalem outside of the Biblical text. Hebrews, were not monotheistic until perhaps the third century; that's why you have constant references to Hebrews worshipping Canaanite Gods, well because those Hebrews weren't Hebrews at all they were Canaanites. Those same Canaanites, became Jews, then Christian, then ultimately Muslim.
Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
@matlm Also your argument about religious ideology vs. nativity is flawed; because religion is not a genetic trait nor does it determine the nativity of a people. An example of this are the Palestinians themselves. Many of them became Jews, then Christians and then Muslims. The argument of Monotheism in Arabia as only coming into being during Muhammad (something not completely true either way) is pretty irrelevant
Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
@Mahmood42978
There is actually a TON of evidence on mitochondrial DNA. Just do a google search on "mitochondrial dna, ashkenazi jews." Jew's are clearly linked to the near east. The Palestinians are just Jews who converted to Christianity and Islam (the ones who stayed around). They were both originally Canaanites.
matlm 3 weeks ago
@matlm Ok let's examine the research
".. other studies by Behar indicate that this mtDNA is different from other Jewish populations found outside of Europe, leaving the possibility of a separate origin or even a European origin a distinct possibility."
#1) only 4 women, Which means possibly fewer men account for Askhenazi
#2) mtDNA of different origin
So 4 women, and thus statistically fewer men account for Ashkenazim for 40% of the population rest have mtDNA distinct from the middle East
Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
@Mahmood42978
It comes down to this - Throughout the history of the world there has been a ton of colonialism. Israel is the only example of a people returning home. It's wrong to criticize Israel and give a pass to everyone else, and yes it's anti-Semitic. The argument "you have to start somewhere" doesn't fly because it begs the question - well fine, but why start with the Jewish State? A war was fought, the Palestinians lost, time to move on and make peace.
matlm 3 weeks ago
@matlm Even if we this is true; your admission to this debunks your claim of "being more just" . So arguing from a Tu Qoque Fallacy; does not justify your case, rather it hurts it as it verifies your lack of legitimate claim of land belonging to the native population. Having handful of ancestors from ME would not make you natives if most of your DNA originates elsewhere, Y-DNA only shows a male founder, and we see only a few female founders from the ME. We find the opposite with Palestinians
Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
@Mahmood42978
Just a"mish mash" of different people? You sir have accomplished something Hitler was unable to do. He would be proud of you because not even he could acheieve such great anti-semenitism as denying the core existence of the Jewish people. Hats off to you my friend. Shlomo Sands has less credability than Holocaust deniers. Read his wikipedia page and the cited sources. Zero credability.
matlm 3 weeks ago
@matlm I didnt accomplish it; the ancestors of Hebrews did. And using the Hitler card is a scapegoat tactic for lacking a counter argument. The claim anti semitic is bogus as the cultures of the peoples who amalgamated to form the Hebrews was SEMITIC., which makes your claim absurd.
Shlomo Sands has less credibility? He's a University Professor IN Israel ...that's a LOT of credibility, Having some commentary by some other guy who scoffs at Sands, does not discredit shlomo sands
Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
@Mahmood42978
He is not a geneticist. Multiple university professors in Israel have said his work is bullshit. On the one hand there is cold hard science, on the other hand there is fantasy bullshit like that written by Shlomo Sands. Sands has zero credability in the scholarly community, as I said. Tons of professors of Israeli universities have written books and articles on the Middle East Origins of Jews... Care to explain to me how Sands scholarly credentials trumps theirs?
matlm 3 weeks ago
@matlm He's a Historian; which shows the cultural and social aspects of the developing of Jewish identity; and also reveals some migratory patterns. Merely having some emotional outburst by someone else who's clearly upset at Dr.Sand, wouldn't demonstrate his credibility.
If he had zero credibility his position as a researcher would be revoked, and What counts here isn't just status itself; but evidence; what archaeological evidence have those who disagreed with him presented to refute him?
Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
@Mahmood42978
**In a study of Israeli and Palestinian Muslim Arabs, more than 70% of Jewish men and half of the Arab men whose DNA was studied inherited their Y chromosomes from the same paternal ancestors who lived in the region.
^ Nebel A, Filon D, Weiss DA, et al. (December 2000). "High-resolution Y chromosome haplotypes of Israeli and Palestinian Arabs reveal geographic substructure and substantial overlap with haplotypes of Jews". Human Genetics 107 (6): 630–641.
matlm 3 weeks ago
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Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
@Mahmood42978
Tell you what - you present me with your credentials in genetics. Where did you get your PhD? Who was your thesis advisor? Can you provide me with a means to read your thesis? You're obviously in a better position to determine whether or not a study is credible than those engaging in the peer-review peer-editting process (do you even know what that is?). So please answer my questions regarding your qualifications.
matlm 3 weeks ago
@Mahmood42978
I will ask again - kindly provide me with a scholarly source showing that their genes are predominately European. The studies clearly say that the Jews are closer genetically Middle Eastern populations than European populations. This means their genes are predominately of Mideast origin.
matlm 3 weeks ago
@matlm Well, as the research points out, there are only 4 ME women that Ashkenzim are linked to. So either you guys did a WHOLE LOT of nuclear family incest (sister with brother, father with daughter etc etc) while you were in Europe or you married quite frequently with Europeans. It's really THAT simple. So which is it, were you screwing your sisters or did you marry into local populations? It's really a process of elimination at this point.
Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
@Mahmood42978
Incest? You have absolutely no idea how this works whatsoever. With 4 distinct matriarchs, there is absolutely no need for incest. Woman 1's kids reproduce with Women 2's kids. Woman 3's kids reproduce with Woman 4's kids. Now woman 1's kids could have also reproduced with women 3 and 4's kids. Sure there might be cousins reproducing with each other, but so what. Mohammad married his cousin. It was common back in the day and common in the Arab world now.
matlm 3 weeks ago
@matlm Let's assume reach woman produced 10 children each, 40 children statistically speaking, during the times of Jewish Diaspora , infant mortalitywas anywhere between 25%-40%, So 6 of those children survive, let's say the survivors were 50% male 50% female and likewise each of them marry their cousins and similar pattern occurs. Then there would have been 25 Million + Jews today, So jews didnt reproduce much, their only way to survive would be miscegenation or incest
Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
@Mahmood42978
Dude again let me give you the conclusion of the experts, one of many in many of tons of studies on this subject. If you wish, you can provide me with your qualifications in genetic analysis in addition to some peer-reviewed peer-edited articles you have done on the subject.
matlm 3 weeks ago
@matlm I dont think you understand, all the experts are saying is that these populations have the same or similar "founders".
This isn't anything else but a demostration of your lack of comprehension.
Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
@Mahmood42978 most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level... The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora."
matlm 3 weeks ago
@Mahmood42978
Hammer, M. F.; A. J. Redd, E. T. Wood, M. R. Bonner, H. Jarjanazi, T. Karafet, S. Santachiara-Benerecetti, A. Oppenheim, M. A. Jobling, T. Jenkins, H. Ostrer, and B. Bonné-Tamir (May 9 2000). "Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes". Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 97 (12):
This is the paternal dna study.
matlm 3 weeks ago
@matlm right ....founders ..let's see the studies of the entire Haplotypes between middle easterners and ashkenazim. because if you want to go to further into founder populations/ We're all african in that case. I hope you understand what I am getting at.
Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
@Mahmood42978
So explain to me how Jews across continents are generally genetically the same if, as you suggest, they have intermingled with the host populations. If thats the case, they would be more different than not. And if you take the time to look at the graph, you will see that they are in fact genetically closer to the other Jews than host populations. It's all there dude. You might as well deny gravity lol.
matlm 3 weeks ago
@matlm I dont think you've read these papers; they dont say they're "essentially the same" they say that they have founder populations rooted in the middle east, it would be unlikely for them to be in a completely middle eastern gene pool for such a long time.
Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
@Mahmood42978
Again, see the graph on the actual article. They are genetically closer to each other than to their host populations. See table 2. The article addresses the mixing in of European genes. They are suggesting that about 12.5% of the genome is of European origin. This makes sense if you look at Table 2.
matlm 3 weeks ago
@matlm and no the studies say you guys have Y-chromosomal FOUNDER ancestors in the ME. which is fine, makes sense, but this doesn't mean your gene pools are predominantly middle eastern. It's like some white guy claiming he's native American because his one single grandmother was.
Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
@Mahmood42978
Dude you really have no clue how this works. It's a direct lineage. My mom has the middle eastern gene, her mom had the middle eastern gene, her mom had the middle eastern gene and on and on till the founding matriach. Same with the father. Of course, you're more than welcome to present me with some scholarly research from a peer-reviewed peer-edited scientific journal supporting position that the genetics Jews is more other than Middle Eastern.
matlm 3 weeks ago
@matlm has a "gene" but what about the REST of their genes? all middle eastern? Highly unlikely. I dont deny they may have A GENE or even 10 Genes, that mark to the Middle East, POSSIBLY, but what about the rest? You're saying a handful of people , 4 founder women account for ALL the Genes of the European Jewry? IMPOSSIBLE ..not even by incest is that possible.
You're also welcome to present scholarly research; because as of yet what you have shown doesnt support your argument
Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
@matlm This doesn't really "prove" anything logically speaking, if an Israeli Askkanzim had ONE ME forefather that went to Europe. successive generations married European women, THIS would be included in the study. Still their genes would be still predominantly European. And if Pali-Arabs had predominantly mothers of the region, they'd be defacto natives. What is their sample space? Are they using Outliers? You have to show more to get a smoking gun
Back to the drawing board kid
Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
@Mahmood42978
Study after study has proven an ancient israeli origin of the Jewish people. You yourself have demonstrated an ignorance of these studies by claiming that there were no mitochondrial dna studies. In other words, you are in no position to discuss the subject due to an utter lack of research. All you've done is read a book with zero credability. How about I read the Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and then claim to know a thing or two about Islam?
matlm 3 weeks ago
@matlm actually what I proved is that there is no origin; they're merely people who adopted an ideology from DIFFERENT cultures throughout time.
The Mitochrondrial DNA studies; confirm what I was saying before; there were few if any female links to the ME, and the rest are non-ME and of those links, it was 4 founder women, and the rest are intermarriages with Locals of Europe. Which makes the majority of the blood european
What do you mean I didnt research? I present information from research
Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
@Mahmood42978
Okay Mohammad was from Arabia so he could go to another city in Arabia and take it over. Fine. Well the Jews of Europe were from earth, so they can go to another location in earth and take it over. Problem solved.
Shlomo Sands work is not considered research. It is considered garbage. Commentary is sufficient. You don't need an expert to write a textbook on Mein Kempf to know it's full of B.S.
matlm 3 weeks ago
@Mahmood42978
Again the DNA study shows that the Jews were a tight-knit group. The European Jews in question descended from 4 women. This is a good thing. If you wish to claim that the majority of the European Jewery's genome is European, kindly provide me with a scholarly source. I prefer a peer-review peer-edited journal article - in a respected journal.
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@matlm in this context Anti-semitism is a scapegoat for Zionist apologists; there are empirical and historical considerations that delegitimize Israel. Jews were not a distinct group just a mish mash of different peoples that adopted an ideology, they were not homogeneous. It's the usurping is current, not ancient. Arguing "moving on" is disingenuous, because if that was the case Israel would not have usurped Palestinian land, but rather moved on after WWII, why couldn't Israel just "move on"?
Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
@Mahmood42978
"In a commentary published in Haaretz, Israel Bartal, dean of the humanities faculty of the Hebrew University, writes that Sand's claims about Zionist and contemporary Israeli historiography are baseless, calling the work "bizarre and incoherent," and that Sand's "…treatment of Jewish sources is embarrassing and humiliating."
matlm 3 weeks ago
@matlm a commentary isn't proof; He needs to demonstrate how and why they're baseless. anyone can make a refractory assertion.
If his claims were really baseless, there would be a refutation; NOT a commentary.
Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
@Mahmood42978
So you are saying that because Israel's usuprtion of land is allegedly in the present it is bad. Then certainly, you would have said to Mohammad - "Mohammad do not usurp Khybar, you are not from Khybar. The land belongs to the people of Khybar, not you" - if you were alive.
matlm 3 weeks ago
@matlm No, but we have more detailed information of what's going on The Jews of Khaibar, were not native to Khaibar. So you keep returning to this point despite the fact I already debunked the premise behind it. The Current Israels, may have had some ancestry from the region; but their predominant genetic make up shows they're from Europe and elsewhere. Having a handful of ME ancestors from thousands of years ago isn't being a native. Muhammad was arab and Khabair was in Arabia
Mahmood42978 3 weeks ago
here is someone that's trying t o make a life for herself using everything Israel has to offer to it's citizens. Bravo, .Rania
simonmotola 1 month ago
To call Israel apartheid is narrow minded, uneducated antisemitism, and lets face it, its another LOAD OF BULLSHIT!! I went to school in Israel with both arabs and jews. We shop together, socialize, and laugh at the tactics of both sides of extreme ignorant behavior!
fockya 1 month ago 2
Probabley, she is a christian.
Itaydatabase 1 month ago
@Itaydatabase and so? even if she is? she isn't Jewish and happy to live in her country, just like Druzes, Beduins and Charckess.
why can't the Muslim Arabs live here in peace? what makes them so different?
AviAtias1985 1 month ago 2
Until islam is wiped of the face of the earth, there can be no peace on the planet. islam is from satan and is his tool to cause harm, hate, and evil on the earth, in the process of setting his one world religion and false prophet in place to support the rise of the anti Christ.
GTCism 1 month ago
@GTCism Until western white civilization/Christian/Judaic worldview is wiped off the planet. There will be no peace on the planet. Islam Christianity and Judaism are all man made political tools of mind control over people. I have no love for Islam but Christianity/Judaic has do so much damage across this globe. The imperialism colonialism wars coups assignation land stealing resource stealing and etc.
arronnov 1 month ago
@GTCism Your comments speak of Islam doing all the worlds evil the past 2000yrs since the Greeks. I'm of African decent and understand that western white civilization Arabs Christianity and Judaism have brought nothing but death destruction and chaos among those who didn't want to have anything to do with them. All three have this absolute mentally that their way is the truth because their god said it is the truth. Its all political bullshit designed to get power over other people and cultures.
arronnov 1 month ago
she is so dumb
TheClaycreatures 1 month ago
rania needs to get raped by a zionist, then she'll know about it
HeadGonee1 1 month ago
we don't rape unlike u barbarians...
eran388 1 month ago
Rania , how stupid when israleian are raping your country and you speaking about their democracy ....
thehfarrah 1 month ago
@thehfarrah Apparently she is much smarter than you & it's obvious. Get a life & education, then you'll be able to talk about rape & democracy...
77unclefedor 1 month ago
@77unclefedor , hahaha definitely you are an Israelian cunt (terrorist) or an asshole supporter(terrorism supporter ) , obviously your knowledge about ravishment , democracy are away different than humanity , so fuck off … and I don’t care about this bitch ,she turns with her colonist , she is probably a spy or a pornstar thats what Israel want from her , she has no life at all
thehfarrah 1 month ago
@thehfarrah she more educated then u...eat ur heart out fucking loser
eran388 1 month ago
@thehfarrah how exactly do u rape a country? dig a hole in stick ur shmulik in it?lol
eran388 1 month ago
@thehfarrah I take it that you're more qualified to speak on Israel than this lady who lives there please explain your credentials?
barkingbasher 1 month ago
Ya , I’m more qualified than her , and i know the truth, Israel is just a colonist ..well-known fact , and yaa israel gave her democracy and freedom by raping her country and society , killing innocent kids and women , destroying her mind and made her believe that Israel is her country... where it is not , obviously her answers are ridiculous and far away from any logical sense, they taught her how and what to say , and it is just still FAKE ..
thehfarrah 1 month ago
@thehfarrah Real talk
skhan1992 3 weeks ago
ay! ¿Por qué hay tantos antisemitas aquí?
MsQueenoftheuniverse 1 month ago
If she is really an Arab, which I doubt, se should be aware of how her maybe well-intentioned statements would be used for propaganda purpose.
GustavoCLa 1 month ago
Thank you Rania!
milkyroadtube 1 month ago 3
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It's because Zionists don't consider anyone who is not Jewish to be human. That is how they're able to commit mass-murder and then hold open celebrations of the deaths..... it's this sickeningly racist ethnic supremacist Talmudic culture they're brought into.
OrthodoxDarwinist 1 month ago
latest video for you:
Turkey Hypocrisy - Israel, Cyprus, Armenia & the Kurds. by Erdogan
firstonethrough 1 month ago
Whatta joke.
Arabs killed hundreds of thousands of Black africans in Sudan for oil and genocide and we are splitting hairs over whether a well fed, well educated, well cared for free women is a victim of APARTHEID bc religious leaders might not recognize a marriage she would have.
REALLLY?
zaxx19 1 month ago
Pro islamists who speaks about apartheid in israel should first see apartheid in their own nations.
GrandmasterTigerfist 2 months ago
She's happy to be a partial citizen of a Western style government, rather than a member of an Arab state that is bribed and coerced NOT to be a democracy by Western governments.
JohnnyRock2000 2 months ago
Hey a prostitute
NorthernDarkBlade 2 months ago
She says @ 00:51 that Israel is a democracy..... What a joke. Isnt the very same speaker is classified as a third class citizen in so cold Israel, Go to Jerusalem and see how much racisim against the Arabs by the Israeli government and its policies that aim to enlarge Jewish land and control on Arab lands. Is this a democracy?
Israel is not an apartheide??? Have you ever and I am asking the speaker Rania Fadeel visited the West Bank and seen the WALL of shame that the democrac built?
freedomfighter84 2 months ago
The west bank is not a part or israel,
they are being governed by the PLO,
they have no Israeli citizenship .so your case is invalid.
The arabs have their own parties and congressmen.
they have the right to vote,
but as opposed to the jewish citizens, they are not forced to join the army
so they have the rights but not the musts of most the citizens in israel
so in other words they are having better life then the jewish israeli that by law have to join the army
Gadhai1 2 months ago
@freedomfighter84 Hey stupid, the West Bank is governed by Hamas. The Israeli government has no say there, it's controlled solely by muslims. The muslim states are apartheid enforcers not Israel. But then again you muslims always blame someone else for what you do.
TheBardicDruid 2 months ago 21
@TheBardicDruid Hamas is in Gaza. And Israel controls all of Palestine, even GAZA.
JohnnyRock2000 2 months ago
@JohnnyRock2000 Gaza is under Hamas control completely, if Israel were in control they would have stopped the rocket attacks. The West Bank and Gaza don't even have Israeli settlements anymore, they stay out until the rocket attacks get to be too much then go in, get the rockets and any other arms they find and leave. Keep listening to muzzy's and you'll keep making yourself look like a fool.
TheBardicDruid 2 months ago
@TheBardicDruid - Listening to no one, but observation. Seems that Israel has learned that domination and oppression will illicit a response that they can then crush at huge cost to the enemy, which results in more land and more Israeli control for domination and oppression and more responses....etc.. Israel barters the lives and safely of it's citizens for empire building.
JohnnyRock2000 2 months ago
@JohnnyRock2000 In the history of the world, never has a nation lost ground building an empire. Never has a nation building an empire worked for peace. You arguments have no legs, they can't stand.
TheBardicDruid 2 months ago
@TheBardicDruid - Interesting. I will agree that empire building very often works. But there are huge failures. I'm not a genius of history, but in first thought what comes to mind are the failures of the USSR, the Romans, the Ottomans, the French, the Germans. They all pulled back and lost land. Now too, is the UN and the World Court which might eventually lend some sanity to greedy military countries.
JohnnyRock2000 2 months ago
@TheBardicDruid wait Dude isnt Hamas in Gaza and not in the West Bank
Abbadon380 1 month ago
@Abbadon380 They're in both and Lebanon.
TheBardicDruid 1 month ago
@TheBardicDruid wait i thought it was confined to only Gaza
Abbadon380 1 month ago
@TheBardicDruid
no that is hezbollah in lebanon.
and yes hamas is in gaza, the fatah is in the west bank.
nhytgbvfeco2 1 month ago
@nhytgbvfeco2 And is there really a difference???? Other than flags and colored headbands.
TheBardicDruid 1 month ago
@TheBardicDruid
depends between who. if between Hamas and Hezbollah then yes, Hamas is Sunni and Hezbollah is Shi'ite
If between Hamas and Fatah then yes, Hamas is a recognised terrorist organisation while Fatah is not and has pretty much stopped all terror acts.
nhytgbvfeco2 1 month ago
bunch of losers commenting on this message board. liars and losers who only know how to hate, instead of building something.
DeepHauz13 2 months ago
Yea right, "Israel is my country"? Israel would happily murder your brother, sister, father or mother - then tell me if Israel is still your country?
xShotGUNxShoGUNx 2 months ago
@xShotGUNxShoGUNx And you think so because...? She is an arab that lives in Israel, and says that she is treated well by Israel and is given full Israeli rights. She also mentions that Israel is a democracy and that arabs who live there are free to voice their own opinions about Israel, unlike what is permitted in the majority of the muslim countries. What more do you need to see that Israel is not the monster you make it out to be?? You should watch this as well: /watch?v=7w8nTcjDdzk
DeliriousLife1 2 months ago 29
@DeliriousLife1 She has a "Ashekanazi" Syndrome, she's been groomed to fit in.
IsraelisJordan 2 months ago
@DeliriousLife1 Cool stories bro.
xShotGUNxShoGUNx 2 months ago
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@DeliriousLife1 Ok mate, I'm sure Palestinians just adore the way Israel loves them. I see this in the news all the time - how much Palestinians simply love Israel. In fact whenever you see the suppressed Palestinians that have lost their land/homes and family demonstrating and are interviewed by international news reporters, the fist thing they always say is "we just lovvvve Israel and the IDF, and the way it treats us" - "WE LOVE IT!"
xShotGUNxShoGUNx 2 months ago
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@DeliriousLife1 So u were right on this, I hope I have cleared this up with you. I will go further and say the Palestinians are Israel's greatest fans - Infant since they "love" the Israeli military so much, there are even more Palestinians in the IDF than Jews.
xShotGUNxShoGUNx 2 months ago
@DeliriousLife1 What if she wants to marry a Jew? Can she get a civil ceremony and would it be recognized?
JohnnyRock2000 2 months ago
@JohnnyRock2000 Yes she can but just not in Israel as Israel only has religious marriages for the various religious groups each performed by his or her own clergy. But if married outside Israel in a civil ceremony elsewhere it would be fully recognized
rocky0713a 1 month ago 2
@DeliriousLife1 At the height of the Nazi regime in occupied France, the Nazis used French traitors for propaganda purposes. Jews, at the time victims of German oppression, were running for their lives, and apparently taking notes...
devdissent 3 weeks ago
@xShotGUNxShoGUNx Your statements show me that you know nothing of Israel. Your just another loud mouth that believes that if you say something loud enough people will believe you. Sorry guy, all you do is make yourself look ignorant.
TheBardicDruid 2 months ago
@TheBardicDruid Ok mate, I'm sure Palestinians just adore the way Israel loves them. I see this in the news all the time - how much Palestinians simply love Israel. In fact whenever you see the suppressed Palestinians that have lost their land/homes and family demonstrating and are interviewed by international news reporters, the fist thing they always say is "we just lovvvve Israel and the IDF, and the way it treats us" - "WE LOVE IT!"
xShotGUNxShoGUNx 2 months ago
@xShotGUNxShoGUNx So u were right on this, I hope I have cleared this up with you. I will go further and say the Palestinians are Israel's greatest fans - Infant since they "love" the Israeli military so much, there are even more Palestinians in the IDF than Jews.
xShotGUNxShoGUNx 2 months ago
@xShotGUNxShoGUNx Yeah your one of them loudmouths that always post against whatever the thread is about. Must make you feel like a man to "stand against the world", well all your verbal diarrhea is nothing more than a neon sign that says "stupid". You don't have the slightest idea of what's going on but your going to yell your opinion at the top of your lungs, because you believe if your loud enough, your right.
TheBardicDruid 2 months ago 2
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@TheBardicDruid Ok mate, I'm sure Palestinians just adore the way Israel loves them. I see this in the news all the time - how much Palestinians simply love Israel. In fact whenever you see the suppressed Palestinians that have lost their land/homes and family demonstrating and are interviewed by international news reporters, the fist thing they always say is "we just lovvvve Israel and the IDF, and the way it treats us" - "WE LOVE IT!"
xShotGUNxShoGUNx 2 months ago
@xShotGUNxShoGUNx Agreed, she has "Ashkenazi" Syndrome. When the Israeli Arabs want to feel part of the Israeli community the succumb to acting like them their Zionist overlords
IsraelisJordan 2 months ago
you speak in the name of the israelis?
Gadhai1 2 months ago