OAKLAND POLICE OFFICER THROWS FLASH BOMB IN TO CROWD HELPING AN INJURED MAN

[SpiffRogue]

They got the licence to terrorize. And who gave it to them ...?

[XGT59]

What's your name.......MONEY!!!!

[adamwhart2011]

Once the people with balls do what is needed, violence, the timid will join because deep down in our hearts we know it is the only way....

[JohnWighty]

They were shouting ''he got shot'' and ''medic!''. fucking get a grip of reality,takes 2 people to help someone on the ground not 40.

[Bodz010]

@JohnWighty True but, with 40 you'll get them out of the tear gas ten times faster.

[ghilllieman805]

I hate protestors, instead of making some ignorant pub

[niknak72]

LIVE FROM LONDON TOMORROW 10AM GMT

ESTIMATED 1 MILLION PROTESTERS

WATCH LIVE AT:-

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[TruthWatch]

which part of "disperse" did you not get? Who are the medics you cry for, the same municipality the cops work for? We don't need your stinking pig medics either.

[Bodz010]

@TruthWatch Occupy has it's own division of medically trained people working as civilian medics.

[TruthWatch]

@Bodz010 Do they have their own trained bus drivers and train engineers? Do they have their own road builders and police force? If so then they should set up their own countries and stopping sponging off all the hardworking people who pay taxes to support them.

[tubevideoguy762]

@TruthWatch maybe these people shouldn't be taking up residence in the middle of a street interfering with the lives of those in the area

[CraigMetalHead]

@williejenkins666 Who said you were? More ignorance.

Again, who said I live in the same country you do? You are making yourself look rather foolish.

[areuter727]

Is it illegal to throw tear gas at a cop that does something like this?

[UltraDeed123]

CRACKAINDATRUNK !!! BIGGEST DUMBASS IN THE WORLD HE ASSUMES PEOPLE SMOKE WEED AND THERE HIPPIES AND HE SAYS FOX NEWS IS THE TRUTH !!! LOOK WHAT THE MEDIA DOES TO PEOPLE !!!

[HoPeCrUsHR]

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!! IF YOU DISAGREE, MOVE THE FUCK OUT OF AMERICA!!!

[CraigMetalHead]

@williejenkins666 Assuming I live in the same country you do, use the same software and hardware that you do and thinking that I think every company is evil? Ah, ignorance: the sign that the person you are talking to is a fucking moron.

And I am sorry you are blinded by your bias and ignorance, but how do you think you use a 40mm tear gas canister without the launcher?

[CraigMetalHead]

@williejenkins666 Well, thats just not true. Scott Olsen was hit by a gas canister... there are videos with freeze frames showing Scott Olsen walking across the street with the side of his head that was hit by the gas canister facing the police. Unless you are claiming the Occupiers can warp space Scott Olsen couldnt have possibly have been hit by the people on the Occupiers side of the barricade.

Lying only proves you are not to be trusted and weakens your word.

[CraigMetalHead]

@williejenkins666 Yeah, "dont go around blaming the rich for everything" followed by "The government is responsible". So I am not allowed to blame the rich, but you are allowed to blame the Government? The hypocrisy, it burns!

To be blunt, I dont blame the rich for everything. I blame some of the rich for corrupting the governing bodies with their bribes over decades just to get what they want and the rest be damned, note I also blamed a corrupt government there too.

[WHMINCULMOVLA]

Soon we will occupy big media for there betrayal.

[612gideon]

Thank You !

[727ping]

@crackaInDaTrunk What the hell is that supposed to mean?

[727ping]

@crackaInDaTrunk First part, yes I would like to stop, second, why are you saying peace and love to me? I thought that was a hippie thing; peace and love. And I don't think replying to you "throw grenades" and whatnot will get me in trouble. Im seeing two different people here, so maybe you just say things about cocaine and grenades and pot and dirty hippies to get attention on the internet, which is kinda sad. And don't threaten me. "deep trouble" Not sure how youtube will get me into that

[ssslawek]

i hope you are reading it you pig, thats is the reason why you are called pigs, you nazi pig. I am amazed that protestors dont get violent, I must say that Americans are the nicest and most peaceful people i have seen, except pigs of course. We are not that peaceful in other countries. I am confused now, so confused, we are with you people, soon we will occupy whole world, see you there.

[727ping]

@crackaInDaTrunk I started the thing on violence?!?!? "start throwing grenades and RDX" sound familiar, you were talking about killing protesters in the streets. I thought it was meant to be a peaceful chat to, and I will cuss at you when you start talking hate on the protests and talking about how the police are just too kind in using tear gas, they should start putting C4 on the roads and just blasting everyone, then opening automatic weapon fire on the survivors, Im being over-dramatic. Still

[727ping]

@crackaInDaTrunk I aint with the occupy movement, i believe in some of it, but the capitalist system does allow for them to get to a higher place via hard work, and I think this occupy needs leadership, needs a set goal, and I dont get why you are so liberal with your spewing of this hate messaging, I aint sitting in any corner, these people aren't. And I have no idea who the fuck Mike Moore is. I'm not part of it, but you really piss me off. Can we agree on that? that you're an asshole?

[Ifftrnc]

OCCUPY WE THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE WITH THE PEOPLE OF ALL WALKS OF LIFE, ALL PROFESSIONS, ALL LIFESTYLES, ALL NATIONALITIES, ALL RELIGIONS, ALL THEOLOGIES, ALL FOODIES, ALL THE PLANETS, ALL THE CORPORATIONS ALL THE SMALL BUSINESSESS, ALL THE PARENTS, ALL THE CHILDREN, ALL THE GRANDCHILDREN, ALL THE GREATGRAND PARENTS, ALL THE GREATGRAND CHILDREN, ALL THE STATES OF THE UNION, ALL THE FIVE CONTINENTS ALL ALL ALL WE DO IS OCCUPY ALL OF OUR LIGHTBODY OF WHO WE ARE BECOMING A GREAT

[727ping]

@Ifftrnc sorry but uh 7 continents, 6 if you dont count antartica, but that's really beside the point.

[727ping]

@crackaInDaTrunk "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable." -John F. Kennedy

So what, you want them to stop being so peaceful and nonviolent, fine. Lets put a rest to that right now, we'll come to your house and fuck shit up.

[727ping]

@crackaInDaTrunk Violence CAN be used for good...sometimes.

When Martin Luther King Jr did his protests he preached nonviolence, he got things done, a positive change for the country; barely debatable. Difference between 60s hippies and occupy, these guys make some sense. They are not swinger pot-smokers like you entail, i would say a very small percentage. And so what; you want them to be violent instead. New movement: "Shoot up Wallstreet."

[727ping]

@crackaInDaTrunk I think you play call of duty too much, desensitized much?

for the record; murder is NOT condoned by... PRETTY much everyone. Perhaps you don't believe this and you just want to put your 2 cents in to feel less like the pusscake that you are. Would you go to these rallys and, if you have absolutely no consequences for your actions, would you throw a grenade into the crowd? Would you? Don't write messages about murder, it is rather unkind.

[727ping]

@williejenkins666 so...

Alright, listen here bitchtits, I don't even care about what you think of the movement itself, but to say what you have about killing people, you fucker, this may not be kind; but I hope you go to hell, and if killing protesters is a good thing? Then I say, there will be two to the back, one to the head for you, motherfucker. The occupy movement is not overthrowing the government, its overthrowing the hold of corporations, but for this post i'll just end with go to hell

[BigDamnHeroesSir]

@crackaInDaTrunk I'm confused at how chickenhawks think that because violence is sometimes inevitable and necessary, that it is wonderful and we should use it whenever possible. They love to send other people's sons and daughters to war for any trivial reason. They cheer when the police use excessive force, or especially when they see something like the summary execution of Oscar Grant.

[nenaluvv]

Then this cracka guy in this thread talking bull shit about pot heads. How much money do you make dummy? Oh thought so. Bet millions of "pot heads" are smarter and earn more than your wannabe butt ever will. And some have more principled things to do with their time than work the slave job like you. You're like a crackeruncletom kissing up to the rich that own you haha sucker.

[nenaluvv]

And who gives a fuck if the protesters are "dirty" and shit in buckets. bitch you'd also be stinky if you were living outside to stand up for what's right.

[nenaluvv]

Why does this one poster always talk shit about lawyers? We're not all bad and corrupt. Most of us are the 99%. I've done pro bono parole hearings and other good stuff. Don't generalize commie moron (lol first time I used commie).

[niknak72]

@crackaInDaTrunk I am so peed off with people insinuating that these people who stand at the occupys are hippes and pot smokers. Have a look a closer look and you will see that these are people from kids to middle aged to old people from all walks of life from shop workers, tradesman and army and many more. Stop listening to the media

[adamwhart2011]

@niknak72 Look, the comment has a valid point minus the potsmoking hippie part. Violence is inevitable even if Ron Paul becomes President. One man cannot change everything. Even HE has tried to tell you this. They will continue to rob everyone untill you MAKE them stop not ask, they control the news, the cops the military everything. With the numbers you currently have in the streets you can win. Time to get some gas masks and take your fucking country back. Only way realize it.

[MasproducedMutts]

What's wrong with people who can't accept the foundation of America. The oeoples right to choose.

[TheNameIsLegion]

@crackaInDaTrunk the fact u said u wanted to use a barrett means ur just a fucking CoD nerd. Im trainning to be a SEAL and I fuck the cop up if he put his hands on me

[realzoomy]

Thank God the person with the camera had the presence of mind to capture this cowardly assault on these protestors. The Occupy movement is not just about money, there are people who have had their children stolen for the forced adoption industry via the Secret Family Courts

[leonmarhanka]

bring back the days of water cannons and nightsticks,wash them off and give them the right message,then arrest them

[macdogq]

No need for all of these occupy movements. Voting still works, but leaders like Obama will not listen to you.

[dan110024]

LOL people got flashed good!

[EATshitanddrinkbleac]

fuckin useful idiot liberal city folk socialist obama lovin marine army police hatin american flag burnin freedom killin PANSIES go VOTE aqnd go back to your BASEMENTS KIDDIES PROTESTS ARE FOR THE BIG KIDS LIKE ME I AM 40 YRS OLD PAY TAXES UNLIKE YOU ALL FOOLS

[AirsoftSteveCope]

@EATshitanddrinkbleac Your fogetting that a US MARINE was injured here by pigs. You will find 90 percent of protesters have/had jobs and pay taxes. Many have no choice but to be there since they cannot afford to live under the fascist regime that is the US government.

Stop listening to FOX news.

[niknak72]

@AirsoftSteveCope Well said my friend

[belisariusorb]

Notice that though the various occupy movements are going on around the world, only in the US are they attacked by the forces of "law and order" (read: forces for protection of the status quo). Is the United States really the most free society on Earth or is it more like Syria?

[longhungbob]

I love it...these ignorant asses want to participate in a european style protest and then complain when the police respond. grow some stones or go home you little punks

[belisariusorb]

@longhungbob Well spoken for freedom of speech there - are you familiar with the 1st Amendment at all?

[niknak72]

With wounded veteran Scott Olsen unable to speak following an assault from police during a raid on Occupy Oakland earlier this week, thousands of Americans across the country are lending their voice to the movement to do the talking for the hero.

Olsen served two tours in Iraq with no injuries. It wasn’t until he attended a peaceful protester earlier this week that he nearly lost his life.

[dnhftm]

Менты Козлы !

[darcova1]

I am Joshua of the ashland occupation. I am a ideas type of man. My email is darcova@gmail.com if any of you want to get a hold of me. I see that we need to start using shields that can interlock and that are taller then any police man can reach they will need to be see threw and mobile and some stable way to keep them standing. They need to be about a inch thick and light. This will give the occupants better protection

[questionsleadtotruth]

Time to move forward. The Venus Project and the Zeitgeist Movement have the answers,

[thespiswolf]

Don't want to get tear gassed? Obey a lawful order given. Now isn't that simple?

[paulineprojectlove]

Make the video downloadable so we can keep sharing it. The truth of the fascists must be told.

[bigby1976]

Ok, it aint a "real" war zone - but protocol 2 and 3 of the Geneva convention are being simply laughed at there!

[adamprocks761]

This movement will quite obviously fail. A group of unorganized protesters, lacking a clear cut message and supported by a well known cyber-terrorism group, is destined to fall.

Additionally, to assert that the protests in the US equate to those of Syria and Egypt is ludicrous and disrespectful to those who actually live in tyranny.

I don't think it's just "a bunch of people getting high", because it's not, it's a group of people venting their anger, nothing more.

[paulineprojectlove]

@adamprocks761 Then you have failed to realize you live in tyranny. You are not a free citizen as long as the un Patriot fascist Act is in effect. Your constitutional rights were trampled in that document. And THAT is what Occupy is all about. When one percent get to make rules that trample our constitutional rights, fool people like you into thinking you still have them and then hoard nearly 90percent of all the wealth, we r not free.

[adamprocks761]

@paulineprojectlove How many protesters have died in occupy wall street? In a truly tyrannical state the number would be in the hundreds or thousands. I agree that the Patriot Act violates our right to privacy, but I still would be very hard-pressed to equate it to tyranny. As for this 1% hoards 90% of the wealth argument, that's capitalism and it's their constitutional right to be able to make that money. It certainly doesn't seem fair, but you can't change it.

[hilly777]

Looks more like military soldiers than policemen. What has happened to this country? If one wonders just how much freedom is here this video tells just how much freedom is left. We have freedom of which corporation makes the best stuff to buy, and that is it.

[7ShadesOfBlue]

I wish I could be one of those cops. I'd have access to their weapons, go to one of the areas those people are, then turn on the caps and be all "All ya'll doin' it wrong!"

[jjjacko]

Horrifying.

[rapmasterb]

@crackaInDaTrunk that scumbag crackhead was an irag veteran protesting against the iraq war, you just single handedly proved how big of a douche you are, id glady stick a barrett up your ass you prick

[duckkillerclydeclyde]

@crackaInDaTrunk and how many TEA parties protests ended like this? how many people were arrested during a TEA party protest? I'll tell you .................0

[niknak72]

@williejenkins666 What a sad person you are

[wowplayer160]

@niknak72 On top of all the BS he just spewed, he/she is kinda correct. If the point of this protest is to overthrow the government. Then it's going to take way more than peaceful protesters. This would probably result in citizens taking arms against the police or anyone esle. Making it even work and more likely than not, the national guard will step in. Making it even worse. :/

[niknak72]

@crackaInDaTrunk How blinded you are that you believe all these people are some sort of hippies. This occupy ranges from kids to middle aged to old people from all walks of life and back grounds. The guy injured on the floor is in a critical condition in hospital and he was peacefully at the protest, also he served in Iraq so your comment is very disgusting. Think before you type

[realzoomy]

@niknak72 There are mothers involved in the Occupy movement, who have had their children stolen for the forced adoption industry, via the Secret Family Courts, the bankers are not only stealing peoples money, they are also stealing their children.

[realzoomy]

@niknak72 There are secret family courts all over Europe and America, and the police have been accompanying social workers on delivery wards and stealing newborn babies from first time mothers, using MSBP as an excuse. MSBP was invented by a paedophile, as was FMS and PAS. So anyone claiming all these people are hippies are spreading lies.

[naughtycanuck]

This cop and his actions is the VERY definition of a coward and a bully. All the other COWARDS and BULLIES standing next to him are also as much to blame for this.

[weejimmykranky]

Disgusting police violence against peaceful protestors attempting to help an injured man ... makes my stomach clench in sickness and anger and I'll say again. There is a point where violent protest becomes legitimate, the police in Oakland are surely pushing the protesters there towards that conclusion

[SpyThis]

This is unbelievable... WHY?!?

I urge everyone to start buying protective items and survival gear... because its really about to hit the fan.

[soldieroftafari]

I support the movement! Check my channel for the soundtrack to the movement!

[lasrolas]

Fuck you Oakland police. Piece of shit force

[snarfeater]

do you people understand yet? we are debt slaves i know it hurts but when people see the trap we are in there will be riots

[vilane421]

That cop is the same asshole team-killing on Xbox Live!

(Lobby Screen) KICKED. Reason: Team-killing.

(Cop): My work here is done. Next, Occupy Oakland.

[acher1]

Pretty sure that's a flashbang not a tear gas canister: note that there's no gas after the initial detonation/smoke

[superpilot1982]

that was fuming bullshit. the cops didn't help the dude so that is fucked up.

[SgtFiddlestein]

ok I'm sorry, but if I'm all stunned and shit I don't want people who are carrying me yelling "WHAT'S YOUR NAME?!!!" in my face.

[Haldered]

@SgtFiddlestein They're trying to make sure he's conscious and keep him conscious. That's why they cry for help when he doesn't reply.

[zggary]

I'm not sure we need more police on the streets. More teachers yes, more cops.... not with my tax dollars! OCCUPY DENVER stands in solidarity with OCCUPY OAKLAND.

[mushaboom420]

how do you fight violence and teargas with love? I support non violent movement when it will accomplish your goals. But I also know my reaction to being attacked, and it is not to turn the other cheek for some more. If your going to be gassed either way let it be for something.

[dashmedias]

fucken pigs thats why i dont feel bad anymore when its one of you on the floor.

[Excerpt1]

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[some1namedjeff]

I hate to say it, but there's clearly a guy at :07 who throws a tear gas canister back at the police, and another guy afterward who throws something as well. That's unacceptable for a peaceful protest. Rubber bullets to the head, then flashbanging the crowd who's trying to help the guy is just as unacceptable. Foul on both sides.

[somniatic]

@some1namedjeff so they should just stand there and inhale the fumes. really? the first bad move they did was throw it in there in the first place.

[JusticePetitioner]

@somniatic Thank you.. you saved me the time of typing the same thing.

[some1namedjeff]

@somniatic Peaceful protesting is meant to be peaceful EVEN IF the cops are throwing tear gas. I understand people are frustrated and that it feels good to take it out on the police, but throwing their tear gas back at them is far from peaceful. You might argue that it's defensive, but acting defensively in many cases involves aggressive behavior, which solves nothing. At that point it isntantly becomes a standoff against those protesters and police, and has nothing to do with Occupying Wall St.

[somniatic]

@some1namedjeff again: so they should just stand there and inhale the fumes? they're in riot gear, they won't be phased by the gas unlike civs with no protection. the problem here was when they felt the need to pelt them with rubber bullets and bean bags. listen, i believe not all cops are douches and im pretty sure there were cops in there that were just doing their jobs. but its guys like the one who threw the flash bang as people nearby try to assist the man that is truly sad.

[victorjcano]

The guy that got hit was a two tour Iraq veteran. Is this what he fought for?

the power of any state - regardless of its particular structural organization - ultimately derives from the subjects of the state. Any power structure relies upon the subjects' obedience to the orders of the ruler(s). If subjects do not obey, leaders have no power. the more fearfull the elite get, the more oppressive they become...there are more of us than them.

[jesse0878]

"His name is Scott Olsen. He's a 24 year old former Marine, served 2 tours in Iraq and came home safe. Then, in Oakland, he was struck in the head by something that the Police likely fired at him, fracturing his skull. When people tried to help him, they were shot with rubber bullets and flash bang grenades.

A friend of a friend of a friend is with him at the hospital, and has been since he arrived last night." ~Stephanie Frame Herzog ""

[FAHCORE]

i believe that is why the the term currently used is "less lethal" and no longer "non lethal". Even rubber bullets can kill if circumstances are correct

[xhunterko]

Okay. Now I'm confused. Why are people occupying X place? Because of??? A little help here to understand please.

[rayx3025]

@xhunterko As far as I understand it - and believe me, I'm crap and understanding, so don't quote me on this - the protesters are Occupying places to revolt against money running the government instead of the people. Now, however, it's become about police brutality, as well, and how peaceful protesters shouldn't be bombarded with various weapons from the cops. Again, I might be wrong on this, but that's how I'm understanding the movement.

[xhunterko]

@rayx3025 Herm. All righty. And here I was thinking it had to do with taxes or something with corporations or some such the like. Thanks though.

[rayx3025]

@xhunterko Well, that's part of it, too... The whole 1% of the people have 99% of the money thing is about how the CEOs and what have you of the big companies are the richest people and are therefore in control of the government.

[mattfm101]

Guys the police being employed are either dumb, brainwashed or psychos....... think about it would any of us do this to each other ?....... What happened to common sense an decency

[JonathanSeagullUtube]

the power of any state - regardless of its particular structural organization - ultimately derives from the subjects of the state. Any power structure relies upon the subjects' obedience to the orders of the ruler(s). If subjects do not obey, leaders have no power. the more fearfull the elite get, the more oppressive they become...there are more of us than them. Google search: " 198 Methods of Nonviolent Action "

[vic3003]

That guy got shot in the head with a rubber bullet, then had a flashbang tossed near his head, no wonder he couldn't even remember his own name. Tough guy though, took the hits like a champ.

[primitiveworlds]

ughhh! fuck the police! evil foot soldiers!!!!

[primitiveworlds]

ughhh! fuck the police! evil foot stopped

[HaHarald]

Stand up to this system where money and greed are the main goals! It only results in violence. Look at what is happening to this world! What kind of species try to harm and kill its own kind?! Its just ridiculous.. reLOVEution!

[niknak72]

@HaHarald Well said my friend

[duckkillerclydeclyde]

@HaHarald did you post that from your pc or mac? oh wait those are both corporations did you do it from your smart phone? oh wait.......did you do it with wifi at mcdonalds? oh wait........I'll get one soon just let me think about it.........

[HaHarald]

@duckkillerclydeclyde Hi, I did post this from a laptopt indeed. It is funny to me that you mention corporations. Because I did not say anything about corporations. I only talked about the mindset of people and their goals (greed). I think capitalism has brought us great things (technology) which have made our lives so much easier. But I also think capitalism at the same time is slowly destroying our social community. With reLOVEution i mean a change within ourselves. x

[duckkillerclydeclyde]

@HaHarald social community?????????????? we are not a social republic. You have no idea do you?

[HaHarald]

@duckkillerclydeclyde Is social community the same as social republic? I did not know. With social community I mean the way people interact and treat each other. Just think about what I am saying before searching for flaws in my story and word choice. Please react on the issue itself instead of picking out one little thing.

[duckkillerclydeclyde]

@HaHarald violent protests are a very very poor example of a good idea of a social gathering. you're a fool.

[DieNeuePhilosophie]

@HaHarald

A revolution would just cause even more harm, and what do you think will be it s result? Be happy that we have some kind of system.

[CraigMetalHead]

@DieNeuePhilosophie Why should we be happy with what little we have and how hard we have to work for it when it doesnt have to be this way? Why should we be happy that people all around the world live in poverty when it doesnt have to be this way?

We dont want to stagnate in a cesspool of greed, apathy and imperfection. We want progress, we want equality, we want peace but most of all we want to be able to exist without being oppressed. There are only a small minority of evil people who dont.

[DieNeuePhilosophie]

@CraigMetalHead

2 problems:

1) IT HAS TO BE THIS WAY. There cannot be a world without any kind of misery.

2) This is the main problem. Quote: "we want peace but most of all we want to be able to exist without being oppressed." You put freedom above peace. We need a revolution, who cares if it makes things worse, we ll be free...

[CraigMetalHead]

@DieNeuePhilosophie Nope, misery will nautrally happen... doesnt have to be ochestrated by the worlds governments in favour of a small percentage because of greed.

Freedom first, then peace. We want to achieve all of those things. Peace is pointless if its because the entire planets population is kept under boot and heel.

[DieNeuePhilosophie]

@CraigMetalHead

You can have as much freedom as you want, as long as it does not endanger peace. Hu´man life above erverything. You dont need freedom when you are dead.

[CraigMetalHead]

@DieNeuePhilosophie Give me freedom or give me death.

Would you be happy as a slave as long as you were alive?

You need to learn that there are things in this world worse than death.

[DieNeuePhilosophie]

@CraigMetalHead

Haha we are no ones slave. We are just not as free as we were in 9000 BC.

We have human rights, democracy and for the most part peace. And then we have you. You are not happy with the best possible world, you want another one. Fine with me, but dont make other people suffer.

[CraigMetalHead]

@DieNeuePhilosophie Failure at reading is no excuse... well, okay. Its a little bit of an excuse but not enough to let you off.

I said WOULD you be happy as a slave... not you are a slave.

This is not the best possible world, a small minority have most of the planets wealth... AIDs is an epidemic in Africa and idiots are telling them NOT to use protection, children are starving to death en masse, dying of diseases we CAN cure, what you are saying is YOU are blissful... so dont change anything.

[DieNeuePhilosophie]

@CraigMetalHead

Look, I think that you re getting me wrong. I know and aknowledge that this world is not perfect, but what you don t seem to understand is that it cannot be better, at least not in the sense that you mean. The pope will soon be dead, just like eligion. People in afrika will wake up, aids will be anihilated, technology will advance. In this way, the world will improve. But there will always be a few rich and lots of poor people. That will never change.

[paulineprojectlove]

@DieNeuePhilosophie guess you didn't get the memo. Peak oil, climate change and economic collapse are going to end what you call progress... And AIDS will never be "annihilated" until there is a cure, but there's no money in that for pharmaceutical corps., so, no cure.

Things will change, and not the way you expect. But it might be better after all. If we can just get past this fascist phase...

[CraigMetalHead]

@DieNeuePhilosophie If we do nothing... yes. This gap between rich and poor didnt always exist, even 50 years ago the gap wasnt so bad. But there is a fundamental problem with this system that allows such exploitation and corruption... we can change it and it is our duty to do so.

[DieNeuePhilosophie]

@CraigMetalHead

Well.. There is a gap between r and p now. So what exactly will you do about it? What will be the result?

[CraigMetalHead]

@DieNeuePhilosophie There is a massive gap between rich and poor in America and in other countries too. Its been proven that you can have a more equal society and that equality brings happiness, a smaller gap between rich and poor does improve the general happiness of a nation... there have been studies, I advise you check them out.

[mgunr]

@CraigMetalHead Though I agree with there being a fundamental problem, and that we can change it, it isn't actually true that the "...gap between rich and poor didnt always exist..."

When the country was founded i.e. post revolutionary war, the numbers are surprisingly similar. Very small percentage (3~5%) "owning" a very large percentage (95%+). Just making sure we all are aware of key facts.

[CraigMetalHead]

@mgunr THIS gap between rich and poor... the only word you left out and it made all the difference in the world. Thats called intellectual dishonesty, dont do that.

And woo, when America was founded... thats not when humanity began. Those were a bunch of slave owners and we should be trying to distance ourselves from them, the problem I have IS with stupid inequality like they used to have and still have. Using the foundation of America as a point proves nothing.

[mgunr]

@CraigMetalHead Ok I understand your point completely and do not disagree. The split (here) occurs when one (you) says (types) something that they don't actually mean and/or don't clarify. But I must have misrepresented myself by commenting on your post, because you're now starting to fire away at someone (me) who lives his entire life fighting against the mighty for the very few. Clarity IS KEY in these contexts and so I will try to be more clear with my intentions in the future.

[mgunr]

@CraigMetalHead ALSO, this stupid youtube page doesn't automatically show the entire thread, so i was definitely chiming in out of context. Reading the entire thread now and am understanding what the overall conversation was about now (and why you responded the way you did). Disregard my shit.

[CraigMetalHead]

@mgunr Thats... unexpectedly reasonable from a YouTube comment.

[HaHarald]

@DieNeuePhilosophie Please tell me why a revolution would cause more harm? This movement is about peaceful demonstration/revolution and will not result in riots. And yes of course I am fairly content with some kind of system. But is it not so that we should always improve? Can we not make it better? Not by forcing it to get better, you are right about that. People have to want it to get better :).

[rapmasterb]

@HaHarald agreed the documentry COLLAPSE should be watched by you and niknak, and to williejenkins666 lets be real, if america stood up to the government we'd easily out number them, Disturbeds cover and music video of land of confusion is a pretty accurate guesstimate of where america could go, if things arent fixed.

[maischoyu]

cops = bad people

[KevinHodgins]

That Cop Purposefully Did That - Stun Grenades at close range can easily blind, deafen, blow a hand off a body, and even kill.... Very Bad Cop! And so are the co-worker cops for just watching it happen... pathetic behaviour from what should be a highly trained individual,.. but alas, somebody gave the order to issue & use stun grenades = a top down problem of ambiguously using force multipliers on un-armed civilians.

[niknak72]

@KevinHodgins Please help spread the video so more people can see what the police can be like

[KevinHodgins]

@niknak72 I posted and linked tracked through all my social networks & email to friends :-) BUT, I think Youtube is holding the views down, because my bit.ly link along shows 837 click throughs, since I posted 10 hours ago, earlier today (wednesday afternoon) = interesting... here's the link to see the tracking for yourself: triple W dot: bitly dot com/uzdNpJ+

[twasbrillig33]

@KevinHodgins I read that the Oakland chief of police resigned a few days prior to this.

[BattleGround16]

WOW stupid cunt