I was born American and because of that blessing, my right to self-defense is not up for a vote.There is not a government on his earth that has the moral authority to remove that right,unless I first act to violate a right or the rights of a fellow citizen with a gun.These countries that turned in thier guns on order from thier government will sooner or later live under a dictatorship, might just take fifty or one hundred years,but it will come to them.
@Fockersnextdoor It's illegal for private gun possession in China, The last thing they want is the highest population on earth to be armed enough to overthrow their govt. My dad once read me an article from Japan in the WW2 era, The general Hideki Tojo said we cannot invade mainland america for there will be a gun behind every blade of grass. Praise america i wouldn't hold citizenship anywhere else
You make carry pemits by law abiding citizens illegal on campus and that makes it easy for suicidal nut jobs to rack up a tally or blow away cops! Perhaps if responsible people could protect others, Va. Tech would be safe. But NO! You only want criminals to be armed because they don't give a damn about laws... that's why we call them CRIMINALS! How many people will die on campus or in malls before people wake up?
@astrofrk The cop had a gun. The shooter had a gun. Guess who the only two people who died were? Those with guns, and the one who was murdered was well trained in it's use. Please, explain how additional guns in this situation would have saved any lives.
@3SGTO OK. In this situataion, it most likely wouldn't have made any difference. Now what about the 33 killed at VT four years ago? What about other campuses? Why can't I protect my wife when we walk to a football game from my car? Oh, and don't tell me a criminal might be hiding around the corner with a tank because that has never happened.
@astrofrk Not most likely, wouldn't. Don't pretend another gun nearby even had the chance of changing anything.
So you're saying that at a football game, with tailgating crowds all around the area and packed with people inside the coliseum, you would have no second thoughts about firing a pistol at someone and no fear of missing your mark, or anyone else missing their mark and hitting you?
They have metal detectors at the gates - how would you, or the threat, be getting a gun in there?
@3SGTO I didn't say I would use a firearm in a crowd. Did I not say: "While walking TO a game? If someone was determined enough, they could rind away around a metal detector. The more imortant matter is the rapes and other crimes that happen on college campus that could have been avoided. Why is a woman raped and strangled more moral to you than that woman having an ability to defend herself?
@astrofrk Let's be honest, most of the rapes that occur on campus have a hell of a lot more to do with alcohol than dark alleys and attackers.
So your saying that on the possibility that someone might sneak a gun into a game, you should be allowed to have one there? I ask again, if you don't have absolute certainty of hitting your mark, should you really be firing in a crowd of people?
@3SGTO I would have been happy to turn in my firearm once I got into the stadium. I have shooting awards but I would still never fire into a crowd. The problem is, criminals often have no problem doing so and by your rule, he is the only one with a gun on the entire campus. So if dark alley rapes are the minority, we shouldn't do anything about them? Are you a rapist?
@astrofrk What's more, I've just got to know - if you are being wronged and threatened with violence, don't you think at least a few of the several thousand other people around would step in and help you? Short of a full on gunfight or a race to see who can fire first, I fail to see your fears. Attempting to diffuse the situation is a far better plan for everyone involved(you, the other party, and everyone else) than whipping out a pistol.
@3SGTO Often, people would rather not get involved. Even if they were willing to help, "People" may not always be around. Of course it is best to diffuse the situation whenever one can but sometimes one cannot. Ever been mugged? I have and I learned but sometimes the victum of a crime doesn't get a second chance to learn. I tried to diffuse the situation and you weren't there to sweet talk the dudes that beat the shit out of me. Get real!
@astrofrk Doesn't sound like you were mugged at a football game. I'm not talking about the right to carry off campus, which I support but don't personally do, I'm talking about the idea of concealed and open carry being appropriate on a school campus.
You park so far away that no one else can see you but the person doing the mugging? Well, at least finding a spot is easy.
@3SGTO Did I not say I was going TO a game? Want me to repeat it again? I think concealed carry is better than open carry for a number of reasons. You would rather see mass shootings like VA Tech 4 years ago and that makes you as bad as the murderer himself in my opinion. When you go to a game, you park where you can! I now have a better idea. I no longer go to games and I think the campus should be sued for not protecting me when they wouldn't let me protect myself.
The gun this officer was carrying didn't save him. People have to to stop pretending more guns are a panacea for the problems of a violent society. Two deaths and two guns here. One gun in the hands of an unstable person claimed two lives, and the other gun failed to protect a man trained in its use. No gun on this earth could have saved the officer from this random violence, so let's not pretend it would.
@humanity6fl9 So your saying he would do it with any weapon? Why not let him own a tank then? Why not an atomic bomb? Unless you would grant that any weapon can be owned by a citizen your argument is flawed, and if you would then your just crazy.
@3SGTO -why the escalation of weaponary?lets just take all guns away first.mans savagery would instinctivly reach for a blade.lets make it unlawful to carry knives.mans brutality would lead him to grab his club.so know we're all safe because clubs are forbidden.my point being is you could kill someone with a pencil if you wanted.you cannot legislate morality,you can only protect yourself from the immoral acts perpetrated by others.there's an adtage that states "an armed society is a polite one"
@humanity6fl9 My point being if a pencil can kill, why not just let everyone own any weapon they so please? Because that would be idiotic. Who said anything about taking guns away from normal, sane citizens? Not me. All I have argued for is more thorough backround checks.
@3SGTO How many more people have to die and suffer from events like this due to this mystical, fantasy area we call the "gun free zone" before you change your mind on the fundamental right of self defense? Law-abiding citizens that are trained and licensed in their respective states carry their firearms everywhere else that is legal to do so with zero to negligible issues. Utah allows the carrying of firearms on their college campuses for years now with zero reported incidents.
@Falcon8605 I'll reply with a quoted post I originally addressed to someone else.
"The cop had a gun. The shooter had a gun. Guess who the only two people who died were? Those with guns, and the one who was murdered was well trained in it's use. Please, explain how additional guns in this situation would have saved any lives."
@Fockersnextdoor I'm just sitting here mouth open at how you think a person that can't control their anger has the foresight to just "leave the pistol at home". Maybe if that person cannot control themselves they shouldn't control such power to end someones life so easily with the squeeze of a trigger at all. Seriously, do you analyze what you're typing before you post it at all, or just spew kneejerk, lackluster responses?
@mightydyckerson wow....I usually don't like cops that much (at least the ones who only bust stoners)...but by no means did he deserve to be shot...his kids and wife don't deserve that either...go troll on a less controversial video please.
@rancid253 You shouldn't have a wife and FIVE kids if you're a fucking pig...especially if you're an incompetent fucking pig, which he apparently was.
@mightydyckerson ...and mentally unstable youtube trolls should have kids...? worrd bro...have fun living a miserable life. You should be killed by a mortal kombat fatality.
@mightydyckerson LMAO...u know why ur kids are scholars and athletes...because they're busting their asses to gtfo of their living situation...aka...living with you...what kind of dad who raises scholars would say something like "shove my big fat cock in your mouth"...??? I bet u got happy kids...probably all on Prozac..hahaha.
Time for the blame game to start Lets see music? Video games? How about guns in general. Not to try to take away from this tragic event. It really does suck. And my heart goes out to the families of the victims.
@torrio888 So, you'd rather only criminals and police officers have guns? Yeah, that would make things a lot safer. If one of those 33 people in 2007 were armed, they would probably still be alive today. Do you think by abolishing constitutional rights, there will be no more crime? It's the OPPOSITE, study up on your history. Every time a nation criminalizes gun ownership, increasing crime, tyranny, and fear follow close behind.
@truthfrequency It isn't criminal to possess. Do you seriously believe that enough students would carry that one out of 33 would have a gun? Or that they would have stopped it before it even started? I for one, doubt it.
How about when the cops are coming to the scene and 20 armed people show up wanting to be vigilantes and try to take down the gunman themselves? How would the cops know who is the shooter and who is just trying to be a cowboy?
@truthfrequency Well, seeing as the situation has been resolved, I don't really care how or where they scratch their heads.
From my dorm I could see both the scene of the incident and two cops point an long rifle or shotgun at a student and order him to stop to be searched. Within minutes I received alerts and everyone was inside. They had this place locked down tight.
@GreenOatmeal I'm a student, and from dorm I can see the yellow tape around the scene of the first shooting. Any college can be a dangerous place, VT has just been really unlucky. I never felt unsafe at all today.
@zoltan6561 Good then only the law abiding citizens will be unarmed. That's incredibly naive and lazy logic. Remember that time they banned narcotics and no one uses them anymore? Or that time they banned handguns in Chicago and no one was killed ever again with a handgun? Or that time they banned alcohol and no one was able to drink it? Or the time they made murder illegal and no one was ever murdered ever again? Or that time they banned insider stock trading and no one made any profits from it
@weasel77111 Few people would think an outright ban would be logical. You have to show ID to buy alcohol and take a test to drive, why does a backround check for a firearm seem unreasonable? The sole purpose of an autoloading handgun is to shoot other people. They have no other purpose. The ability to cleanly and efficiently kill someone with an easily concealable weapon shouldn't be something crazy people can buy.
@3SGTO You should check out the laws for purchasing a handgun in Virginia. You must pass a background check and never have been declared mentally incompetent.
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@weasel77111 Just because a law exists doesn't mean it's implemented well. The shooter at VT 4 years ago was known to be mentally unstable. Those who sold him the gun obviously didn't get that message, now did they? And yet so many gun owners think that me wanting other gun owners to have to go through a backround check before they can own the easiest method of killing someone is somehow stepping all over their rights. It's a more intense process to get a drivers license than to buy a gun.
@3SGTO you obviously do not own a gun because you do have to go through a background check to buy a gun unless you buy it from an individual no gun shop sells guns without the background check I don't have to go through them anymore but I have a CCW in a couple states and have had all the classes but you still have to fill out the paperwork just no call in the CCW is the background check since you have to go through an FBI Interpol and local state background check to obtain the ccw
@zoltan6561 Guess who else used to say things like this? "Cause the registration of all firearms on some pretext, with the view of confiscating them and leaving the population defenseless." --Vladimir Ilich Lenin....
That many stories really get to me but seeing a police officer or any man or women die serving to protect the people just really gets to me man. And it's worst because the people that kills these men or women are the ones they are trying to protect.
damn thats fucking scary dude. thankfully, nothing like that has ever happened at any of my schools. had a bomb threat in elementary school once but it turned out to be fake. you gonna be on the news?
The best way to be safe is to tell potential offender that "IT IS NOT ALLOWED TO CARRY GUNS IN Virginia Tech, PERIOD" An offender will retreat, PERIOD. Right LIBERALS ? Right POLITICAL VAMPIRES ?
@mun268 So 30,000 students playing vigilante and the cops being unable to tell who the shooter is and who's just playing cowboy would be a better option? I go to VT. You having a gun would not make me feel safer.
@3SGTO It is proven statistically that gun crime rate is significantly less in areas where concealing carrying gun law was implemented. Also, it is statistically proven that gun violation crime rate is 0% among the concealed carrying gun permit holders. It is also historically proven that dictators hate armed citizens. It is also proven that guns and citizens are separated in states or areas controlled by liberal democrats.
@mun268 Our country is one of the most heavily armed countries in the world, and has gun crime that is higher than most any other first world country. Let's see some unbiased sources for your statistics.
What do you mean separated? I'm a liberal and I own a gun - three in fact. They have no place on a college campus.
@3SGTO Our country has high crime rate thanks to the states run by Libs. Felons do know where to go and commit crimes. Congratulations to you that you have a three guns. I think if you would have a guns, you wouldn't be a Lib, because leaders of your party is trying to disarm people. Or, if you are actually a Lib, I have doubts that you have guns. So, be consistent brother. Also, you are spreading ideology which does not fit common sense. This ideology is Liberalism. Liberalism is Cancer.
@mun268 I hunt with a Ruger M77 chambered in 7mm and a Remington 870 3.5 inch 12 gauge.
So you're saying that every one of those darn socialist countries in Europe must be drowning in the blood spilled by shootings, right? Because they're liberal, right? Obama has made no significant laws against guns, so quit living in fear of everyone that doesn't agree with you.
Thanks for the rhetoric. Because progress in this country comes from pettily insulting your opponents.
@3SGTO As a hunter (presumably) you suppose to know about "Fast and Furious" operation run by 0bama's administration. It is already proven that primary goal of this operation was a "Political Attack on Second Amendment" i.e. Bill of Right, which is a possibly Impeachable offence. So, please don't try to wash a bronze statue of our Dear Leader. You need to use a couple tons of DAWN and it still won't help. If you are hunter for real, it's in your interest to be more politically informed.
Proven by whom? They were tracking the flow of guns into Mexico. Unethical or not, I can see no relation between it and any desire to reduce the rights of gun owners.
@3SGTO People from media just got documents (couple days ago), which prove real and primary intention of administration. Dear Mr. 3SGTO, with all do respect, where you,ve been before. 0bama is already 3 years in White House, and you still believe to "Change you believe in". You are hell of a hunter, brother. I guess you are just "pulling peoples legs" in order to find out what people think. I would call it "hunting" too. But while you are doing it, do not spread disinformation, brow.
@mun268 What media do you speak of? An unbiased, legitimate accepted source please.
Those words are spelled "misinformation" and "bro"
Lastly, whether or not I can own a long rifle for hunting reasons and whether or not you can carry a handgun everywhere you please are totally different issues. Don't mix them.
@3SGTO Just Google "Fast and Furious". In top article made by the Fox News you can find:
"The "Fast & Furious" scandal is getting messier and messier. New e-mails finally released late this past Friday reveal that the Department of Justice personal viewed the then-secret operation as a way to push for more gun control laws".
@3SGTO Me having a gun, knowing how to use it, and being proficient in its use would make ME feel safer. I take my protection as my own responsibility not that of the government.
When seconds count the police are only minutes away.
@Darusdei Who said anything about a few hours at the range? A few hours at the range does not make you proficient in a weapon. Constantly training with that weapon makes your proficient in that weapon. And no one can be truly prepared for a school shooting unless you are paranoid 24-7. There's no predictable pattern in which they happen, they just happen. But I would rather be shot in the back with a gun on my side than be shot unarmed. At least there is SOME sort of defense.
@3SGTO Yes it does. Just because someone is uncomfortable with something is no indication that thing is right or wrong. It just means that a person is uncomfortable with it.
And who played "that card"? The 2nd amendment prohibits Congress from infringing that right. It leaves the rest up to the states. And most states copy the 2nd amendment in their constitutions, so that leaves it up to the locales what is not spelled out in the state constitution. [continued]
@3SGTO [continued] Ultimately it is up to the owners of said private institution to decide whether or not they want to allow it. And my vote, if I was a student at VT, would be to support the allowance of state concealed carry holders (with logical restrictions discussed in length, hammered out and voted upon by the school). I respect laws. That's why I went and got my Virginia concealed carry permit legally. I also don't often carry my gun because I feel safe enough to not have to carry it.
@weasel77111 Seeing as this is a public institution, the state government has a say in it. I can tell you without a doubt that if students were to vote on it concealed carry would not be permitted on campus. And thank you for being one of the few logical people willing to debate and not call me liberal scum and dismiss my opinions as uneducated.
@weasel77111 I sort of agree with you, but if you look at the description, "a police officer was shot and killed"... So "having a gun, knowing how to use it, and being proficient in its use" might make you FEEL safer, but clearly doesn't decrease the likelihood of being attacked.
@weasel77111 The officer was shot in his car. Every gun you have ever owned would not prepare nor defend you from an insane person that walks up without a word and shoots you. Nothing would have other than not being there. You can't avoid being places in your life, but you can make it just a little bit less easy for crazy persons to purchase weapons without making it overly difficult or illegal for normal citizens like yourself and I to own a handgun.
@weasel77111 When milliseconds count and you're sitting in your car with a center console between you and your gun... let's just be honest with ourselves, you can't draw that fast. Guns claimed two lives that day and protected no one.
@3SGTO True, what happened yesterday was indefensible, unless the cop was spiderman and had some sort of foreknowledge.
A single human being claimed two lives. Guns don't get up and shoot people, they have to be loaded, aimed, and the trigger must be pulled. You can still knife a cop from behind with any kitchen knife if it's well concealed. You could also offer the officer a poisoned cup of coffee. If a person is going to kill, they will find a way to do it, regardless of the tool being used.
@weasel77111 So by your logic why can't I have a machine gun, tank, or atomic bomb? If this argument can extend to less lethal devices, why not devices that are more lethal? Universalizability is lacking in your argument. Just because someone can kill with the most mundane of devices doesn't mean we should give them any device.
The difference is kitchen knives have a purpose outside of killing other human beings. Any chemical can be a poison. Handguns are only for shooting other people. Period.
Fair enough, just remember others don't feel the same way as you do and they have just as much of a right to carry a firearm as you do to not carry a firearm.
@truthfrequency Nope, no they don't. Not everywhere at least, as there are limitations. Just like you and I can't own a tank or a nuclear bomb, we can't carry weapons anywhere we please. You can't have a gun in an airport for logical reasons. The right to own a gun and the right to carry it anywhere you please are totally different.
@hardkoregamer999 What on earth are you even talking about? Some campuses don't allow cars on campus, is that somehow infringing a right because the owner paid for it? Your argument is entirely illogical.
@3SGTO im saying the the laws are illogical you idiot just because you like getting shot at or robbed does not mean the rest of us like it. some of us have family to protect your part of the problem in society people like you who cant stand up for themselves or just rely on the police are the problem you may like not having a gun thats great but you dont have tell us how to protect our lives you control freak.
@hardkoregamer999 I'm sorry, but your argument is flawed. Me not having a gun on me 24/7 will not change whether or not I get shot at. Period. Whether I can fire back, yes. But a gun is not a magical bullet shield. Where did I say I didn't have a gun? Defending yourself at home and bringing a weapon on a college campus are totally different. The gun the officer carried with him didn't save his life, and it wouldn't have saved anyone else's if they were in the same position.
@3SGTO I go to Virginia Tech as well, and I feel that students who have gone through their state's requirements to conceal a handgun should be allowed to have their firearms on campus. I am permitted to concealed carry in the state of Virginia, but because of Virginia Tech's rules on gun possession, I had to sit in my New Hall West dorm room and hope the suspect didn't come knocking because I was helpless to protect myself or my room mate. I can understand your feelings of insecurity, however.
@Thejasonh90 The doors here are solid hardwood. The shooter would have to be packing very potent weapons and have a solid grudge against you to get to you with your door locked. My bigger concern is the fact that my suite door doesn't have a peephole so you can't see who's outside. Not all defense has to be aggressive.
@3SGTO I wasn't expecting him to come and get me, nor would I expect him to be able to get through my door easily. However, if you rest on your laurels, and expect that your safety has been taken care of for you, then if you are surprised, what are you going to do? I really just wanted to say that I think people on campus that are licensed to carry, should be able to. I don't however, think they should "play cowboy."
@Thejasonh90 Again, I would feel far less safe if students could carry guns. The deaths this week have proved nothing about self defense other than the only way to ensure no one walks up and kills you is to live your life in a concrete bunker. No gun could have saved this officer, no knife, nor any martial arts. An insane person got a gun and this is the result.
@Thejasonh90 What if it was like the Texas A&M sniper? No handgun would help you there. Allowing students and anyone else who damn well pleased to have a gun on campus would just increase accidental deaths and drunken fights gone horribly wrong. The risks far outweigh the rewards.
@CounterTube Or, maybe shit like this happens because insane people can buy a handgun with few questions asked and walk up to any random person and shoot them. 30 people could have had guns around this guy and not one more person would have lived. You can't predict insane people. If someone walks behind you and without saying a word shoots you would would be totally unable to defend yourself. Don't pretend like a gun gives you eyes in the back of your head or a shield around your body.
@CounterTube Please, tell me more about what you know of my life through a moderately liberal comment I made on youtube. I'd love to hear your critique on the guns I claim to own, since this text proves nothing of what I own, nor what I know of self defense. Take your 5th grade ad hominem arguments elsewhere. I'll finish with "have a nice day, asshole", because I can't imagine you to be a truly nice person through your assumptions.
@CounterTube But I'll just tell you what I own since I want you to understand that a democrat can indeed own a gun. Ruger M77 rifle chambered in 7mm Mauser, still equipped with a youth stock to be easier to shoulder quickly, Leupold 2x7 scope, 5 round magazine capacity, blued barrel inscribed with "Made in the 200th year of American Liberty"
Remington 870 3.5 inch 12 gauge, because I've never shot a deer that didn't drop right there when I pulled the trigger.
People continue to die just because they do not allowed to use their constitutional right to carry guns. Founding father would be turned in their graves if they new it.
@mun268 Why the hell should everyone be allowed to carry guns? Without such laws we would be just pure animals, everyone would constantly be shooting everyone just because.
@Vmt16 It is proven statistically that gun crime rate is significantly less in areas where concealing carrying gun law was implemented. Also, it is statistically proven that gun violation crime rate is 0% among the concealed carrying gun permit holders. It is also historically proven that dictators hate armed citizens. It is also proven that guns and citizens are separated in states or areas controlled by liberal democrats.
just an early assumption here but if the 2nd person was killed in a nearby parking lot id think maybe the shooter hijacked their car and is long gone from the campus.....just a guess.
Here we go again.... did they play violent videos games, listen to heavy rock, lose their jobs, had difficult lives, disliked a certain group of people or didn't agree with their government?
That's bullshit to happen twice. That's fucked up for someone to see it right outside their window. I'm starting to think that school is cursed.
Legba85 2 months ago
lol thats the worst goddamn school ever, i dont even wanna go near it.
jammy2600 2 months ago
That's so nuts man, I'm sorry to hear that you were so close to this when it happened, I'm glad you're all right, that must have been some scary shit
johnjirvin 3 months ago
Holy crap man. I didn't even hear about this.
spiker98 3 months ago
I was born American and because of that blessing, my right to self-defense is not up for a vote.There is not a government on his earth that has the moral authority to remove that right,unless I first act to violate a right or the rights of a fellow citizen with a gun.These countries that turned in thier guns on order from thier government will sooner or later live under a dictatorship, might just take fifty or one hundred years,but it will come to them.
Fockersnextdoor 3 months ago
@Fockersnextdoor It's illegal for private gun possession in China, The last thing they want is the highest population on earth to be armed enough to overthrow their govt. My dad once read me an article from Japan in the WW2 era, The general Hideki Tojo said we cannot invade mainland america for there will be a gun behind every blade of grass. Praise america i wouldn't hold citizenship anywhere else
Fierag 3 months ago
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You make carry pemits by law abiding citizens illegal on campus and that makes it easy for suicidal nut jobs to rack up a tally or blow away cops! Perhaps if responsible people could protect others, Va. Tech would be safe. But NO! You only want criminals to be armed because they don't give a damn about laws... that's why we call them CRIMINALS! How many people will die on campus or in malls before people wake up?
astrofrk 3 months ago
@astrofrk The cop had a gun. The shooter had a gun. Guess who the only two people who died were? Those with guns, and the one who was murdered was well trained in it's use. Please, explain how additional guns in this situation would have saved any lives.
3SGTO 3 months ago
@3SGTO OK. In this situataion, it most likely wouldn't have made any difference. Now what about the 33 killed at VT four years ago? What about other campuses? Why can't I protect my wife when we walk to a football game from my car? Oh, and don't tell me a criminal might be hiding around the corner with a tank because that has never happened.
astrofrk 3 months ago
@astrofrk Not most likely, wouldn't. Don't pretend another gun nearby even had the chance of changing anything.
So you're saying that at a football game, with tailgating crowds all around the area and packed with people inside the coliseum, you would have no second thoughts about firing a pistol at someone and no fear of missing your mark, or anyone else missing their mark and hitting you?
They have metal detectors at the gates - how would you, or the threat, be getting a gun in there?
3SGTO 3 months ago
@3SGTO I didn't say I would use a firearm in a crowd. Did I not say: "While walking TO a game? If someone was determined enough, they could rind away around a metal detector. The more imortant matter is the rapes and other crimes that happen on college campus that could have been avoided. Why is a woman raped and strangled more moral to you than that woman having an ability to defend herself?
astrofrk 2 months ago
@astrofrk Let's be honest, most of the rapes that occur on campus have a hell of a lot more to do with alcohol than dark alleys and attackers.
So your saying that on the possibility that someone might sneak a gun into a game, you should be allowed to have one there? I ask again, if you don't have absolute certainty of hitting your mark, should you really be firing in a crowd of people?
3SGTO 2 months ago
@3SGTO I would have been happy to turn in my firearm once I got into the stadium. I have shooting awards but I would still never fire into a crowd. The problem is, criminals often have no problem doing so and by your rule, he is the only one with a gun on the entire campus. So if dark alley rapes are the minority, we shouldn't do anything about them? Are you a rapist?
astrofrk 2 months ago
@astrofrk What's more, I've just got to know - if you are being wronged and threatened with violence, don't you think at least a few of the several thousand other people around would step in and help you? Short of a full on gunfight or a race to see who can fire first, I fail to see your fears. Attempting to diffuse the situation is a far better plan for everyone involved(you, the other party, and everyone else) than whipping out a pistol.
3SGTO 3 months ago
@3SGTO Often, people would rather not get involved. Even if they were willing to help, "People" may not always be around. Of course it is best to diffuse the situation whenever one can but sometimes one cannot. Ever been mugged? I have and I learned but sometimes the victum of a crime doesn't get a second chance to learn. I tried to diffuse the situation and you weren't there to sweet talk the dudes that beat the shit out of me. Get real!
astrofrk 2 months ago
@astrofrk Doesn't sound like you were mugged at a football game. I'm not talking about the right to carry off campus, which I support but don't personally do, I'm talking about the idea of concealed and open carry being appropriate on a school campus.
You park so far away that no one else can see you but the person doing the mugging? Well, at least finding a spot is easy.
3SGTO 2 months ago
@3SGTO Did I not say I was going TO a game? Want me to repeat it again? I think concealed carry is better than open carry for a number of reasons. You would rather see mass shootings like VA Tech 4 years ago and that makes you as bad as the murderer himself in my opinion. When you go to a game, you park where you can! I now have a better idea. I no longer go to games and I think the campus should be sued for not protecting me when they wouldn't let me protect myself.
astrofrk 2 months ago
The gun this officer was carrying didn't save him. People have to to stop pretending more guns are a panacea for the problems of a violent society. Two deaths and two guns here. One gun in the hands of an unstable person claimed two lives, and the other gun failed to protect a man trained in its use. No gun on this earth could have saved the officer from this random violence, so let's not pretend it would.
3SGTO 3 months ago
@3SGTO -mans inhumanity to man has gone on since the dawn of time. the weapon is not the issue.
humanity6fl9 3 months ago
@humanity6fl9 So your saying he would do it with any weapon? Why not let him own a tank then? Why not an atomic bomb? Unless you would grant that any weapon can be owned by a citizen your argument is flawed, and if you would then your just crazy.
3SGTO 3 months ago
@3SGTO -why the escalation of weaponary?lets just take all guns away first.mans savagery would instinctivly reach for a blade.lets make it unlawful to carry knives.mans brutality would lead him to grab his club.so know we're all safe because clubs are forbidden.my point being is you could kill someone with a pencil if you wanted.you cannot legislate morality,you can only protect yourself from the immoral acts perpetrated by others.there's an adtage that states "an armed society is a polite one"
humanity6fl9 3 months ago
@humanity6fl9 My point being if a pencil can kill, why not just let everyone own any weapon they so please? Because that would be idiotic. Who said anything about taking guns away from normal, sane citizens? Not me. All I have argued for is more thorough backround checks.
3SGTO 3 months ago
@3SGTO How many more people have to die and suffer from events like this due to this mystical, fantasy area we call the "gun free zone" before you change your mind on the fundamental right of self defense? Law-abiding citizens that are trained and licensed in their respective states carry their firearms everywhere else that is legal to do so with zero to negligible issues. Utah allows the carrying of firearms on their college campuses for years now with zero reported incidents.
Falcon8605 3 months ago
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@Falcon8605 I'll reply with a quoted post I originally addressed to someone else.
"The cop had a gun. The shooter had a gun. Guess who the only two people who died were? Those with guns, and the one who was murdered was well trained in it's use. Please, explain how additional guns in this situation would have saved any lives."
3SGTO 3 months ago
@3SGTO ATOMIC BOMBS FOR THE WIN WITH TONS OF RADIATION MAN SHIT LOAD OF CANCER ITS AWESOME!
hardkoregamer999 3 months ago
Best wishes from Winnipeg Canada! stay strong Virginia Tech!
pringlesbbq 3 months ago
Most Americans who a carry a side-arm every day would never shoot a cop.If your a person who can not control your rage then leave the pistol at home.
Fockersnextdoor 3 months ago
@Fockersnextdoor I'm just sitting here mouth open at how you think a person that can't control their anger has the foresight to just "leave the pistol at home". Maybe if that person cannot control themselves they shouldn't control such power to end someones life so easily with the squeeze of a trigger at all. Seriously, do you analyze what you're typing before you post it at all, or just spew kneejerk, lackluster responses?
3SGTO 3 months ago
Again ?
Trollylulz 3 months ago
Good riddance to another corrupt cop. And five fucking kids? The stupid pig should have worn a rubber.
mightydyckerson 3 months ago
@mightydyckerson class act.
MrMitchyCanuck 3 months ago
@MrMitchyCanuck No shit. Thanks dude.
mightydyckerson 3 months ago
@mightydyckerson I hope you die a painful death and spend all of eternity in excruciating pain and misery.
MrMitchyCanuck 3 months ago
@MrMitchyCanuck I hope you get AIDS and five kinds of cancer, douchebag.
mightydyckerson 3 months ago
@mightydyckerson wow....I usually don't like cops that much (at least the ones who only bust stoners)...but by no means did he deserve to be shot...his kids and wife don't deserve that either...go troll on a less controversial video please.
rancid253 3 months ago
@rancid253 You shouldn't have a wife and FIVE kids if you're a fucking pig...especially if you're an incompetent fucking pig, which he apparently was.
mightydyckerson 3 months ago
@mightydyckerson ...and mentally unstable youtube trolls should have kids...? worrd bro...have fun living a miserable life. You should be killed by a mortal kombat fatality.
rancid253 3 months ago
@rancid253 My kids are scholars and athletes, so shut your fucking mouth before I shove my big fat cock in it.
mightydyckerson 3 months ago
@mightydyckerson LMAO...u know why ur kids are scholars and athletes...because they're busting their asses to gtfo of their living situation...aka...living with you...what kind of dad who raises scholars would say something like "shove my big fat cock in your mouth"...??? I bet u got happy kids...probably all on Prozac..hahaha.
rancid253 3 months ago
welcome to the american democracy
earrth911 3 months ago
its too bad when some loser starts shit there isn't 5 passerby's to pull a gun and waste his ass.
Arm your citizens, thugs won't stand a chance!
1Guitarslayer 3 months ago in playlist Shooting at Virginia Tech
@1Guitarslayer Fuck off, fatass. Guns should be banned.
mightydyckerson 3 months ago
@mightydyckerson <--- 2011 Felching Champion
1Guitarslayer 3 months ago
Was this taken with an Iphone? Great quality.
Thanks for uploading,
peace4change99 3 months ago in playlist Shooting at Virginia Tech
и что за хуйня ???
slavikevt 3 months ago in playlist Shooting at Virginia Tech
17,000 gun related murders in the US every year. That more then the rest of the free world combined. Guns dont make you safe, they make you unsafe.
tubester4567 3 months ago
yet another christian fundy
dastechnoviking 3 months ago in playlist Shooting at Virginia Tech
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Panchee123 3 months ago in playlist Shooting at Virginia Tech
@dastechnoviking yeah right, the left was all over the Giffords shooting. It just had to be a right winger. Well he wasn't.
Panchee123 3 months ago in playlist Shooting at Virginia Tech
Well, good news, I'm comment 100!
oiamhollywoodo 3 months ago in playlist Shooting at Virginia Tech
Wow you were RIGHT there! Glad you're OK man. Crazy shit.
ColumbusExoticCars 3 months ago
HA HA SO FUNNY
IBUSTSHOTS 3 months ago in playlist Shooting at Virginia Tech
is this taken from New Hall West? It's kinda surreal cause I used to live there last lear...
JCAHokies 3 months ago
MUSIC is LUV! Youtube/REGGIEWRITEOUS
ReggieWriteous 3 months ago in playlist Shooting at Virginia Tech
he must be a muslim...
wiljamovka 3 months ago
I think it was probably an islamic guy who went on his jihader and the media had to change it to "white male" to be PC.
Fockersnextdoor 3 months ago in playlist Shooting at Virginia Tech
@Fockersnextdoor Man, did you forgot that it's not politically correct now to call
terrorists (or somebody committing crime) "ISLAMIC" ? Since 2008 you should call it
"Man made disaster", "Man made disaster". If it made by white man, different story, call it like you want.
mun268 3 months ago
with NO GUNS signs posted everywhere only a maniac would do somthing like this
the82spartans 3 months ago in playlist Shooting at Virginia Tech
People who walk around un-armed these days must be off in the head.
Fockersnextdoor 3 months ago
@Fockersnextdoor well i don't know about usa but here no one carries, actually it's illegal to even carry a gun or get a gun for "self defense"
though gun ownership is pretty high
Darusdei 3 months ago in playlist Shooting at Virginia Tech
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bnz500 3 months ago in playlist Shooting at Virginia Tech
if 2 people got shot at my school it would not be on the news.
GoodFriendsForever 3 months ago in playlist Shooting at Virginia Tech
Apparently 17 people liked that a police officer and another person were shot and killed..................
ImAEpicWin 3 months ago in playlist Shooting at Virginia Tech
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bnz500 3 months ago in playlist Shooting at Virginia Tech
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HipHopJun 3 months ago in playlist Shooting at Virginia Tech
again ?
thatdutchguy89 3 months ago in playlist Shooting at Virginia Tech
let the blame game begin
13xxnetoxx 3 months ago
*insert lyrics of "Pumped-Up Kicks here*
coolhomie777 3 months ago in playlist Shooting at Virginia Tech
2nd amendment....We need you now..
shotsky94 3 months ago
Time for the blame game to start Lets see music? Video games? How about guns in general. Not to try to take away from this tragic event. It really does suck. And my heart goes out to the families of the victims.
1979john1979 3 months ago in playlist Shooting at Virginia Tech
No blood once again! Just like the first V Tech shooting, columbine and every other "shooting".
The world is all a stage ;)
truthfrequency 3 months ago
@truthfrequency A cop is dead. WTF are you talking about?
3SGTO 3 months ago
im scared for you
TopGear1Stig 3 months ago
oh look is the government killing people to pass laws who destroy the little left in our constitution.
pidoka809 3 months ago
Second amendment should be abolished
torrio888 3 months ago
@torrio888 So, you'd rather only criminals and police officers have guns? Yeah, that would make things a lot safer. If one of those 33 people in 2007 were armed, they would probably still be alive today. Do you think by abolishing constitutional rights, there will be no more crime? It's the OPPOSITE, study up on your history. Every time a nation criminalizes gun ownership, increasing crime, tyranny, and fear follow close behind.
truthfrequency 3 months ago
@truthfrequency It isn't criminal to possess. Do you seriously believe that enough students would carry that one out of 33 would have a gun? Or that they would have stopped it before it even started? I for one, doubt it.
How about when the cops are coming to the scene and 20 armed people show up wanting to be vigilantes and try to take down the gunman themselves? How would the cops know who is the shooter and who is just trying to be a cowboy?
3SGTO 3 months ago
@3SGTO
So you'd rather the cops stand around, scratching their heads like they are doing right now?
truthfrequency 3 months ago
@truthfrequency Well, seeing as the situation has been resolved, I don't really care how or where they scratch their heads.
From my dorm I could see both the scene of the incident and two cops point an long rifle or shotgun at a student and order him to stop to be searched. Within minutes I received alerts and everyone was inside. They had this place locked down tight.
3SGTO 3 months ago
I thought about applying here...
GreenOatmeal 3 months ago
@GreenOatmeal I'm a student, and from dorm I can see the yellow tape around the scene of the first shooting. Any college can be a dangerous place, VT has just been really unlucky. I never felt unsafe at all today.
3SGTO 3 months ago
Second amendment should be abolished.
torrio888 3 months ago
Private ownership of firearms should be banned.
zoltan6561 3 months ago
@zoltan6561 NO
LAMBORGHINIFR33K 3 months ago
@zoltan6561 Good then only the law abiding citizens will be unarmed. That's incredibly naive and lazy logic. Remember that time they banned narcotics and no one uses them anymore? Or that time they banned handguns in Chicago and no one was killed ever again with a handgun? Or that time they banned alcohol and no one was able to drink it? Or the time they made murder illegal and no one was ever murdered ever again? Or that time they banned insider stock trading and no one made any profits from it
weasel77111 3 months ago
@weasel77111 Few people would think an outright ban would be logical. You have to show ID to buy alcohol and take a test to drive, why does a backround check for a firearm seem unreasonable? The sole purpose of an autoloading handgun is to shoot other people. They have no other purpose. The ability to cleanly and efficiently kill someone with an easily concealable weapon shouldn't be something crazy people can buy.
3SGTO 3 months ago
@3SGTO You should check out the laws for purchasing a handgun in Virginia. You must pass a background check and never have been declared mentally incompetent.
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weasel77111 3 months ago
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3SGTO 3 months ago
@weasel77111 Just because a law exists doesn't mean it's implemented well. The shooter at VT 4 years ago was known to be mentally unstable. Those who sold him the gun obviously didn't get that message, now did they? And yet so many gun owners think that me wanting other gun owners to have to go through a backround check before they can own the easiest method of killing someone is somehow stepping all over their rights. It's a more intense process to get a drivers license than to buy a gun.
3SGTO 3 months ago
@3SGTO you obviously do not own a gun because you do have to go through a background check to buy a gun unless you buy it from an individual no gun shop sells guns without the background check I don't have to go through them anymore but I have a CCW in a couple states and have had all the classes but you still have to fill out the paperwork just no call in the CCW is the background check since you have to go through an FBI Interpol and local state background check to obtain the ccw
JesseLJohnson 3 months ago
@zoltan6561 Are you starting to see the pattern yet?
weasel77111 3 months ago
@zoltan6561 Guess who else used to say things like this? "Cause the registration of all firearms on some pretext, with the view of confiscating them and leaving the population defenseless." --Vladimir Ilich Lenin....
truthfrequency 3 months ago
That many stories really get to me but seeing a police officer or any man or women die serving to protect the people just really gets to me man. And it's worst because the people that kills these men or women are the ones they are trying to protect.
feellost1 3 months ago
They find the guy yet?
jailking11 3 months ago
damn thats fucking scary dude. thankfully, nothing like that has ever happened at any of my schools. had a bomb threat in elementary school once but it turned out to be fake. you gonna be on the news?
ghettocodmaster555 3 months ago
Occupy Wall Street or Liberal Arts Major?
InvestWebbot 3 months ago
if this is the one going on now my fuckin cousins stuck there, stay safe bro, ill say a prayer for you
sketchytravis 3 months ago
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3SGTO 3 months ago
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3SGTO 3 months ago
Aww not first :( but good vid :)
XxCJAND3RSONxX 3 months ago
The best way to be safe is to tell potential offender that "IT IS NOT ALLOWED TO CARRY GUNS IN Virginia Tech, PERIOD" An offender will retreat, PERIOD. Right LIBERALS ? Right POLITICAL VAMPIRES ?
mun268 3 months ago
@mun268 So 30,000 students playing vigilante and the cops being unable to tell who the shooter is and who's just playing cowboy would be a better option? I go to VT. You having a gun would not make me feel safer.
3SGTO 3 months ago 13
@3SGTO It is proven statistically that gun crime rate is significantly less in areas where concealing carrying gun law was implemented. Also, it is statistically proven that gun violation crime rate is 0% among the concealed carrying gun permit holders. It is also historically proven that dictators hate armed citizens. It is also proven that guns and citizens are separated in states or areas controlled by liberal democrats.
mun268 3 months ago
@mun268 Our country is one of the most heavily armed countries in the world, and has gun crime that is higher than most any other first world country. Let's see some unbiased sources for your statistics.
What do you mean separated? I'm a liberal and I own a gun - three in fact. They have no place on a college campus.
3SGTO 3 months ago
@3SGTO Our country has high crime rate thanks to the states run by Libs. Felons do know where to go and commit crimes. Congratulations to you that you have a three guns. I think if you would have a guns, you wouldn't be a Lib, because leaders of your party is trying to disarm people. Or, if you are actually a Lib, I have doubts that you have guns. So, be consistent brother. Also, you are spreading ideology which does not fit common sense. This ideology is Liberalism. Liberalism is Cancer.
mun268 3 months ago
@mun268 I hunt with a Ruger M77 chambered in 7mm and a Remington 870 3.5 inch 12 gauge.
So you're saying that every one of those darn socialist countries in Europe must be drowning in the blood spilled by shootings, right? Because they're liberal, right? Obama has made no significant laws against guns, so quit living in fear of everyone that doesn't agree with you.
Thanks for the rhetoric. Because progress in this country comes from pettily insulting your opponents.
3SGTO 3 months ago
@3SGTO As a hunter (presumably) you suppose to know about "Fast and Furious" operation run by 0bama's administration. It is already proven that primary goal of this operation was a "Political Attack on Second Amendment" i.e. Bill of Right, which is a possibly Impeachable offence. So, please don't try to wash a bronze statue of our Dear Leader. You need to use a couple tons of DAWN and it still won't help. If you are hunter for real, it's in your interest to be more politically informed.
mun268 3 months ago
Proven by whom? They were tracking the flow of guns into Mexico. Unethical or not, I can see no relation between it and any desire to reduce the rights of gun owners.
3SGTO 3 months ago in playlist Shooting at Virginia Tech
@3SGTO People from media just got documents (couple days ago), which prove real and primary intention of administration. Dear Mr. 3SGTO, with all do respect, where you,ve been before. 0bama is already 3 years in White House, and you still believe to "Change you believe in". You are hell of a hunter, brother. I guess you are just "pulling peoples legs" in order to find out what people think. I would call it "hunting" too. But while you are doing it, do not spread disinformation, brow.
mun268 3 months ago
@mun268 What media do you speak of? An unbiased, legitimate accepted source please.
Those words are spelled "misinformation" and "bro"
Lastly, whether or not I can own a long rifle for hunting reasons and whether or not you can carry a handgun everywhere you please are totally different issues. Don't mix them.
3SGTO 3 months ago
@3SGTO Just Google "Fast and Furious". In top article made by the Fox News you can find:
"The "Fast & Furious" scandal is getting messier and messier. New e-mails finally released late this past Friday reveal that the Department of Justice personal viewed the then-secret operation as a way to push for more gun control laws".
Also thank you for correcting my spelling.
mun268 3 months ago
@3SGTO Me having a gun, knowing how to use it, and being proficient in its use would make ME feel safer. I take my protection as my own responsibility not that of the government.
When seconds count the police are only minutes away.
weasel77111 3 months ago 2
@weasel77111 sorry but you're far from being proficient with a gun in that situation.
few hours at the range doesn't exactly make you an expert on countering school shooting...
Darusdei 3 months ago
@Darusdei Who said anything about a few hours at the range? A few hours at the range does not make you proficient in a weapon. Constantly training with that weapon makes your proficient in that weapon. And no one can be truly prepared for a school shooting unless you are paranoid 24-7. There's no predictable pattern in which they happen, they just happen. But I would rather be shot in the back with a gun on my side than be shot unarmed. At least there is SOME sort of defense.
weasel77111 3 months ago
@weasel77111 And you feeling comfortable outweighs the discomfort most other students have about you having one?
The second amendment grants that you can own a gun, but it doesn't say your right to have any armament anywhere is concrete, so don't play that card.
3SGTO 3 months ago
@3SGTO Yes it does. Just because someone is uncomfortable with something is no indication that thing is right or wrong. It just means that a person is uncomfortable with it.
And who played "that card"? The 2nd amendment prohibits Congress from infringing that right. It leaves the rest up to the states. And most states copy the 2nd amendment in their constitutions, so that leaves it up to the locales what is not spelled out in the state constitution. [continued]
weasel77111 3 months ago
@3SGTO [continued] Ultimately it is up to the owners of said private institution to decide whether or not they want to allow it. And my vote, if I was a student at VT, would be to support the allowance of state concealed carry holders (with logical restrictions discussed in length, hammered out and voted upon by the school). I respect laws. That's why I went and got my Virginia concealed carry permit legally. I also don't often carry my gun because I feel safe enough to not have to carry it.
weasel77111 3 months ago
@weasel77111 Seeing as this is a public institution, the state government has a say in it. I can tell you without a doubt that if students were to vote on it concealed carry would not be permitted on campus. And thank you for being one of the few logical people willing to debate and not call me liberal scum and dismiss my opinions as uneducated.
3SGTO 3 months ago
@weasel77111 I sort of agree with you, but if you look at the description, "a police officer was shot and killed"... So "having a gun, knowing how to use it, and being proficient in its use" might make you FEEL safer, but clearly doesn't decrease the likelihood of being attacked.
ekool123 3 months ago in playlist Shooting at Virginia Tech
@weasel77111 The officer was shot in his car. Every gun you have ever owned would not prepare nor defend you from an insane person that walks up without a word and shoots you. Nothing would have other than not being there. You can't avoid being places in your life, but you can make it just a little bit less easy for crazy persons to purchase weapons without making it overly difficult or illegal for normal citizens like yourself and I to own a handgun.
3SGTO 3 months ago
@weasel77111 When milliseconds count and you're sitting in your car with a center console between you and your gun... let's just be honest with ourselves, you can't draw that fast. Guns claimed two lives that day and protected no one.
3SGTO 3 months ago
@3SGTO Go to his profile. He's been commenting the same comment on 10+ videos. Including mine.
photofitrehelper 3 months ago
@3SGTO True, what happened yesterday was indefensible, unless the cop was spiderman and had some sort of foreknowledge.
A single human being claimed two lives. Guns don't get up and shoot people, they have to be loaded, aimed, and the trigger must be pulled. You can still knife a cop from behind with any kitchen knife if it's well concealed. You could also offer the officer a poisoned cup of coffee. If a person is going to kill, they will find a way to do it, regardless of the tool being used.
weasel77111 3 months ago
@weasel77111 So by your logic why can't I have a machine gun, tank, or atomic bomb? If this argument can extend to less lethal devices, why not devices that are more lethal? Universalizability is lacking in your argument. Just because someone can kill with the most mundane of devices doesn't mean we should give them any device.
The difference is kitchen knives have a purpose outside of killing other human beings. Any chemical can be a poison. Handguns are only for shooting other people. Period.
3SGTO 3 months ago
@3SGTO
What about you having a gun? Wouldn't you feel safer if YOU were armed?
truthfrequency 3 months ago
@truthfrequency My fear of other people making mistakes would far outweigh any gain in comfort from being able to carry.
3SGTO 3 months ago
@3SGTO
Fair enough, just remember others don't feel the same way as you do and they have just as much of a right to carry a firearm as you do to not carry a firearm.
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3SGTO 3 months ago
@truthfrequency Nope, no they don't. Not everywhere at least, as there are limitations. Just like you and I can't own a tank or a nuclear bomb, we can't carry weapons anywhere we please. You can't have a gun in an airport for logical reasons. The right to own a gun and the right to carry it anywhere you please are totally different.
3SGTO 3 months ago
@3SGTO that depends who is holding the fire arm
hardkoregamer999 3 months ago
@3SGTO by the way is VT a gun free zone cause if it is its not very effective oh well who cares if its gun free zones except the people pay for them.
hardkoregamer999 3 months ago
@hardkoregamer999 What on earth are you even talking about? Some campuses don't allow cars on campus, is that somehow infringing a right because the owner paid for it? Your argument is entirely illogical.
3SGTO 3 months ago in playlist Shooting at Virginia Tech
@3SGTO im saying the the laws are illogical you idiot just because you like getting shot at or robbed does not mean the rest of us like it. some of us have family to protect your part of the problem in society people like you who cant stand up for themselves or just rely on the police are the problem you may like not having a gun thats great but you dont have tell us how to protect our lives you control freak.
hardkoregamer999 3 months ago
@hardkoregamer999 I'm sorry, but your argument is flawed. Me not having a gun on me 24/7 will not change whether or not I get shot at. Period. Whether I can fire back, yes. But a gun is not a magical bullet shield. Where did I say I didn't have a gun? Defending yourself at home and bringing a weapon on a college campus are totally different. The gun the officer carried with him didn't save his life, and it wouldn't have saved anyone else's if they were in the same position.
3SGTO 3 months ago
@3SGTO I go to Virginia Tech as well, and I feel that students who have gone through their state's requirements to conceal a handgun should be allowed to have their firearms on campus. I am permitted to concealed carry in the state of Virginia, but because of Virginia Tech's rules on gun possession, I had to sit in my New Hall West dorm room and hope the suspect didn't come knocking because I was helpless to protect myself or my room mate. I can understand your feelings of insecurity, however.
Thejasonh90 3 months ago
@Thejasonh90 The doors here are solid hardwood. The shooter would have to be packing very potent weapons and have a solid grudge against you to get to you with your door locked. My bigger concern is the fact that my suite door doesn't have a peephole so you can't see who's outside. Not all defense has to be aggressive.
3SGTO 3 months ago in playlist Shooting at Virginia Tech
@3SGTO I wasn't expecting him to come and get me, nor would I expect him to be able to get through my door easily. However, if you rest on your laurels, and expect that your safety has been taken care of for you, then if you are surprised, what are you going to do? I really just wanted to say that I think people on campus that are licensed to carry, should be able to. I don't however, think they should "play cowboy."
Thejasonh90 3 months ago
@Thejasonh90 Again, I would feel far less safe if students could carry guns. The deaths this week have proved nothing about self defense other than the only way to ensure no one walks up and kills you is to live your life in a concrete bunker. No gun could have saved this officer, no knife, nor any martial arts. An insane person got a gun and this is the result.
3SGTO 3 months ago
@Thejasonh90 What if it was like the Texas A&M sniper? No handgun would help you there. Allowing students and anyone else who damn well pleased to have a gun on campus would just increase accidental deaths and drunken fights gone horribly wrong. The risks far outweigh the rewards.
3SGTO 3 months ago
@3SGTO hmmm you do have a point but still i stand with my belief of being armed to the teeth.
hardkoregamer999 3 months ago
@hardkoregamer999 As I stand with mine that if all of us were more like you then there would be less of us overall.
Guns don't belong on campus. Period. Read my other posts and reply there if you want more detailed reasons as to why.
3SGTO 3 months ago
@3SGTO well i believe that people should be armed with ak 47s and BAZOOKAS!!!!!! then nobody would have gotten killed.
hardkoregamer999 3 months ago
@hardkoregamer999 Or the cop would have gotten shot with an AK instead of a handgun. No different.
3SGTO 3 months ago
@3SGTO you do know people can own aks right.....
hardkoregamer999 3 months ago
@3SGTO shit like this happen because people rely on the cops too much
CounterTube 3 months ago in playlist Shooting at Virginia Tech
@CounterTube Or, maybe shit like this happens because insane people can buy a handgun with few questions asked and walk up to any random person and shoot them. 30 people could have had guns around this guy and not one more person would have lived. You can't predict insane people. If someone walks behind you and without saying a word shoots you would would be totally unable to defend yourself. Don't pretend like a gun gives you eyes in the back of your head or a shield around your body.
3SGTO 3 months ago
@3SGTO learn to defend yourself
CounterTube 3 months ago in playlist Shooting at Virginia Tech
@CounterTube Please, tell me more about what you know of my life through a moderately liberal comment I made on youtube. I'd love to hear your critique on the guns I claim to own, since this text proves nothing of what I own, nor what I know of self defense. Take your 5th grade ad hominem arguments elsewhere. I'll finish with "have a nice day, asshole", because I can't imagine you to be a truly nice person through your assumptions.
3SGTO 3 months ago
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3SGTO 3 months ago
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@CounterTube But I'll just tell you what I own since I want you to understand that a democrat can indeed own a gun. Ruger M77 rifle chambered in 7mm Mauser, still equipped with a youth stock to be easier to shoulder quickly, Leupold 2x7 scope, 5 round magazine capacity, blued barrel inscribed with "Made in the 200th year of American Liberty"
Remington 870 3.5 inch 12 gauge, because I've never shot a deer that didn't drop right there when I pulled the trigger.
Voted for Obama.
3SGTO 3 months ago
i was just watching this on the news and i live in lynchburg V.A.
joeblsfli 3 months ago
Wow, can't believe this happened. Very sad. Please stay safe. Thoughts and prayers for the victims families.
TrakWpn 3 months ago
People continue to die just because they do not allowed to use their constitutional right to carry guns. Founding father would be turned in their graves if they new it.
mun268 3 months ago
@mun268 Why the hell should everyone be allowed to carry guns? Without such laws we would be just pure animals, everyone would constantly be shooting everyone just because.
Vmt16 3 months ago
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@Vmt16 It is proven statistically that gun crime rate is significantly less in areas where concealing carrying gun law was implemented. Also, it is statistically proven that gun violation crime rate is 0% among the concealed carrying gun permit holders. It is also historically proven that dictators hate armed citizens. It is also proven that guns and citizens are separated in states or areas controlled by liberal democrats.
mun268 3 months ago
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3SGTO 3 months ago
i blame #ows
jerkiusmaximus 3 months ago
just an early assumption here but if the 2nd person was killed in a nearby parking lot id think maybe the shooter hijacked their car and is long gone from the campus.....just a guess.
JoeysNewYork 3 months ago 17
@JoeysNewYork thats a reasonable expanation what happened, or it could been a drug deal gone wrong. btw im a fan of you
jmcxs 3 months ago
Here we go again.... did they play violent videos games, listen to heavy rock, lose their jobs, had difficult lives, disliked a certain group of people or didn't agree with their government?
Ograws 3 months ago
Stay safe - from Australia
AussieProGamer 3 months ago
wow, that was quick.
scottysols 3 months ago
Stay safe man. I can't believe this is happening.
alexhc21 3 months ago
Can't believe it has happened again, especially so soon! Very sorry to hear this...
kevinmosleyI 3 months ago
UGH.... this stuff is so tragic. What is going on with our civilization? geesh!
DoctaM3 3 months ago
Oh wow, that is awful. I'm sorry you have to witness such a tragedy. Stay safe man!
DtRockstar1 3 months ago