A Brief History of the Quranic Text by Shabir Ally

[oxelite]

Excellent talk.

[unical2]

There is no evidence the Quran has not been altered from Abu Bakr version of 634 CE. His “Hafsah” codex was burned by Caliph Uthman in 667 CE. So for over 30 years it was acceptable, then suddenly rejected. Ubayy’s version contained two additional chapters, Surat Al-Khal and Surat Al-Afd, but was also burned by Uthman's order. Ubayy learned from Mohammad himself. Yet, Muslims are told the Quran is pure but the Hebrew Scriptures and New Testament have been corrupted. Interesting!

[hansspurv]

@unical2 your entire atack is based on taking thinks out of context and letting other things out.

[unical2]

@hansspurv

Surah 5:47-48, states the Quran is supposed to confirm the truth of the NT. Moreover, Surah 10:94 advises Mohammad to speak to Christians concerning what has allegedly been revealed to him, if he is in doubt. So it’s clear that when the Quran was written there was NOT any contention by Muslims that the NT was corrupted. But as it became evident that the Quran does not compliment the Hebrew Scriptures or NT, Muslims' only defense was to claim both were corrupted.

[hansspurv]

@unical2 the hole problem with your attack, is that you are not a scholar. caperble of interpreting the quranic verses. And since i am neither, i can not explain how to understand those verses.

[unical2]

@hansspurv

But scholars do agree with what I have stated. The NT Gospel is the same today as it was when the Quran was written along with Surah 10:94. If the NT had been corrupted by the time the Quran was written, it would have been foolish of the Quran's writers to include Surah 10:94. Why would Mohammad be informed to confide in Christians (people of the "Book") to confirm his alleged revelations if they had corrupted scriptures? Obviously, the Islamic corruption argument lacks merit.

[unical2]

@hansspurv

Your contention that I'm not a scholar smacks of the typical Muslim "talking point". If you spoke the truth, I would tell you I agree. But you do NOT speak the truth! I'm sure you are about to block me from commenting because typically when Muslims are backed into a corner they try to shut down the opposition and delete posts. You have posted nothing notable; rather, you merely accuse me of attacking. lol! There is nothing wrong with attacking lies--Right?!

[hansspurv]

@unical2 are you high? You come with criticism and does things, that requres a very high knowledge about islam. When i point that out, you spout out nonsense. Talk to me when you aint high.

[unical2]

@hansspurv

Please with your Muslim talking points nonsense. Didn't I tell you that scholars do agree with what I have said. Obviously, you only want Muslims and Muslim scholars to have an opinions about Islam since they tend to defend Islam with deception and outright lies when convenient. Actually, speaking of Muslim scholars, ahadith tell us that Mohammad did many evil things and justified evil, including murder, rape and slavery, which ahadith were allegedly reviewed by Muslim scholars.

[hansspurv]

@unical2 I don't know how you can translate that, i wrote that i you have to be qualified to interpret the quran, to that nonsense you just wrote.

[unical2]

@hansspurv

Again, stop with the Muslim talking points nonsense about having to be able to interpret Arabic. This is the argument Muslims make when there is no way to defend the Muslim position. And again, I have told you already that scholars do agree with me.

[hansspurv]

@unical2 first and foremost it is not nonsense. And what scholars agree with you.

[unical2]

@hansspurv

Maybe Muslim scholars--but they are not inclined to be honest about the Quran. Let's take ahadith and recognize that they show Mohammad to be evil, who murdered, raped, owned slaves, was a thief, and advocated violence against non-Muslims. Yet, Muslims argue that such ahadith are fakes. But some believe otherwise and simply chose to ignore them. Yet, all of them were reviewed by Muslim scholars and accepted as guidance for future Muslims to understand the Quran and Mohammad.

[hansspurv]

@unical2 your intere cliam is nothing but lies and if you knew more you would know that.

[unical2]

@hansspurv

And you live in denial of the truth!

[nazifdaniel]

HE QUOTE forge verse from bible acroding to bart ehrman

[hastiar123]

this sjeik is a new didat .

[MrGodTube]

1 Timothy 3:16 (King James Version) 16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

[MrGodTube]

John 8:58 Jesus said, Before Abraham was, I am. Here He was plainly claiming to be the great I AM Who appeared to Moses in the burning bush in Exodus 3:14. This is clearly shown by the fact that when He said this the Jews tried to stone Him to death for blasphemy.

[oombuddah]

MrGodTube, The Original Hebrew says "I will be what I will be"

"I will be who appeared to Moses". So your claim sucks.

[firdhaus]

@MrGodTube Why stop at Abraham? Why didn't he say before ADAM I am?

your claim failed.

[azerik1984]

Excellent lecture!!!!!!! I have learned a lot, i see on his face great knowledge and wisdom. May Allah grant Deedat jannatul Firdous! Ameen. Salaam from Australia!

[mannypatel1]

ameen

[Rameeez420517]

@azerik1984

ameen