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  • Allen Klein is now DEAD...he paid the price...Ashcroft is till here.

  • i would like to hear tis on HQ.

  • "However, due to copyright restrictions this version is no longer available commercially." - not true. I know, I produced it.

    The Stones didn't write the string line and don't own it, it's by Andrew Loog Oldham and comes from an intro to an adaptation. Klein screwed him, just like he screwed the Verve and Rest Assured for publishing income. As an intro of an adaptation, it's not covered by the original publishing deal, but neither of the labels involved had the balls to take Klein on.

  • @aljuk well what is the real story? I got mine from the library (verve,that is) I have had the record of ALO orchestra since jr high. I am now 38. i compared the 2 and the sound slightly different. ...but this is what these companies can do: the original print of the film WAYNED WORLD has the notes for "Stairway to heaven" the dvd has not. On the first season of the osbournes, ozzy soings "burning down the house" on dvd it is changed to "burning it all down"

  • @aljuk Hi, just have a question. How do you mean produced it? Do you mean the Verve version or the Oldham version? Thanks.

  • will never think of the stones as anything other than corporate tools after this

  • @plymouthmartini read there history-they lost ther rights to there 60's stuff...

  • I don't think Keith gives a shit whatever happens...it's just the way it goes. Fuck em...you win some, you lose some.

  • I think it was very rude of ABKCO to charge The Verve. Couldn't Jagger and Richards have averted that - asking ABKCO to not do that? I expected them to encourage new bands and not deter them like this.

  • @TheAtheistHindu well they own the rights to all there 60's stuff...its a long short story.

  • os cara do The verve ganham porra nenhuma con essa musica? só os rolling stones? loll direitos autorias éh foda!!

  • So did they sample the recording itself directly? Or did they actually just re-record the composition with their own violins/bells/ etc...

  • @PhleetwoodMac - the Verve sampled it. Rest Assured re-played it with students from the Royal College of Music in London.

  • Looking at a comment string on here now a days is like looking at a war zone, seeing the many different directions people are shooting and what not....

  • lol wth is up with the quality of this? I feel like i can hear someone whispering and moving / bumping into things.

    Amazing song though

  • The Verve were a one hit wonder band regardless.

  • @SeeYouNextTuesday0 The Drugs Dont work? Love Is Noise? Lucky Man?

  • @SeeYouNextTuesday0 You don't have any idea what are you talking about boy. Go and keep listening Lady Gaga ;D hahaha. The thing here is... Nobody will ever, write, a song like this or better. Just say it's a 'One Hit Band' Men, this is not a hit... This is an Anthem... An Anthem for Life, of the World. You are a one hit person. Ha

  • i like this version more....

  • there`s a reason paul mcartney did not want allen klein managing the beatles. nuff said.

  • What's so amazing about hearing both is how an artist can get so close to success... and miss just the right combination of instruments to turn the tune into success.

    And if the Rolling Stones missed the marketability of this gem... just think of all the other instrumentals they might have out there which could be reproduced and copied for big profit!

  • When it comes down to it. The lyrics are more powerful than the melody in this case. The melody is like the The Dude's rug. It just ties the song together.

  • what TWATS>

  • Biggest injustice of music history!

  • The saddest part of this is that literally 98 percent of the world has probably not heard the original Stone's song and probably 45 percent of the world has heard the Verve's.

    Fuck Allen Klein. The Verve wrote one of the most popular songs of all time, but really the Rolling Stone's did?

    The song's name is so ironic too.

  • I swear , greed could kill anything .

  • just shows the difference in class between the two bands given that the stones more or less wrote the verves best song

  • Total bs. The Verve took the song and made it better, plain and simple. When you make a song BETTER then its not a copy. Just look at how many songs Led Zep stole. Joke.

  • Recently watched the Scorcese film of the Stones live concert; it's truly a wonder anybody ever gave the band the benefit of the doubt, Jagger is a Tosser,although watching his squirny 'dance of the gimps' reminds me of my IBS. Richards then Wood was asked who was the better guitarist; may I proffer Papa Smurf . .

  • Best song they ever did!

  • I bought the Verve version when it came out (still have it), but if I'd known about the Stones' instrumental, I'd have bought that instead.

  • I saw Richards in an interview saying " that guy (Ashcroft) ripped us off, what are we supposed to be, flattered??" Far from being sympathetic with Ashcroft and the Verve..

  • whats the name of this tune?

  • This all the evil and unfortunate cleverness of one Allen Klein...Mick and Keith had nothing to do with this being litigated, though they could have come to Ashcroft's defense, being they've been screwed over by Klein just as much...Keith's on record saying basically, 'they can keep the money if its a better song'(paraphrasing) They went through the same thing with that tune "Anybody seen my baby" from Bridges to Babylon..Whats worse..Ashcroft/Jagger/Richard­s or Jagger/Richards/K.D. Lang??!!

  • @Aleboy916

    a lot of people dont get it

    unless they read all the books

  • To me this like the guy who invented the first wheel. His mate has a look and says "not bad, but look at the one I made, it's round instead of square!" i.e the Stone's song is OK but Bittersweet Symphony is in a different league

  • I never bought another stones record/tape/cd after that happened.

  • @eoinroe47

    I just bought a rolling stones vinyl bootleg

    WHAT HAPPENED HERE WAS ABCKO'S FAULT!!! NOT MICK AND KEITH!!!

  • @TEMPmichaelhansen

    No i disagree Kieth and Mick had to have a hand in it Verve had permission to use the sample and split the royalties but than when the song blew up way more than anybody thought they claimed they used too much of the sample as a money grab ploy.Fuck the Stones! i hope they know that the money can't follow them to the grave because those dudes from the verve deserved some of those royalties.The Lyrics were all original and the sample was even jazzed up a bit

  • @0TheSeeker I agree with most everything you said but,I don't really consider it "Sampling" like everyone on here says when its changed a quite a bit from different types of violens, to quicker and more notes / chopping the notes up... Sample is what rap does, directly use thee exact instruments and notes.

  • @0TheSeeker

    You're kidding, right? The lyrics may be original but there's hardly a difference between this and the symphony in "Bitter Sweet Symphony." That's not a sample- that's the whole friggin' song! Do I think the Verve was ripped off royalty-wise? Yes, but when your entire symphony is a rip-off, you're playing with fire. And the Verve got burned, big time. I honestly don't think Richards and Jagger cared enough to sue but Klein was a greedy bastard and he had a helluva case.

  • @eoinroe47 You realize the stones aren't the ones who sued, but the companies, the stones don't care, the companies just wanted more money.

  • @eoinroe47 you shouldnt just abandon the stones, theyre still a great band and it probably wasnt completely their choice. Most musicians dont like sueing over copyright but a lot of the stones' lawyers and agents said hey you gotta do this

  • @eoinroe47 im sure the stones noticed... :)

  • The real crime here is that the Verve had already worked out a deal that would allow them to sample the song and after the song exploded in popularity, the rolling stones and their representatives rung back and wanted everything and they got it, even full credits to the songwriting righs. Ashcroft said it best: "It's the best song they've [The Rolling Stones] "written" in 20 years".

  • @lsdforyouandmee

    well the stones dont own the rights but blame allen klien

  • Is this the original version by the oldham orchestra?

  • @DragonAdored

    yes

  • composer/arranger death +75 in US? irrelevant irrelevant if renewed. Or do I have this wrong?

  • @Cellopro

    who knows, but still public domain

  • @TEMPmichaelhansen Interesting, I remember hearing the exact same violin solo line straight out of....let me think here...CPE (Carl Phillip Emmanuel) Bach, now where is that sheet music...It is a harpsichord counter melody. I'll fav this thread.

  • @Cellopro

    there are other more bizarre things...who knows.

  • so according to US copyright law, These arrangements will be public domain in what, 2074?

  • @Cellopro

    well if one of his kids renews

  • THANK GOD ALLEN KLEIN IS DEAD.

    REST IN PIECE YOU ROTTEN BASTARD !

  • @mrblisterfist

    keith claimed it was a learning experience

  • i though that the verve had just inspired a bit on this song (i've heard it before), but wtf is a damn copy!!!!!

  • The surrender of royalties could have been avoided if The Verve had just used their heads! The prominent string hook that the song is known for was ADDED by The Verve, which means that the entire Stones sample could have been removed before release without changing the song's sound very much. While it's true that Ashcroft also stole the verse melody from the Stones' song (The Last Time), plenty of artists lift parts of melodies without repercussions. I think they'd have gotten away with it.

  • audio quality is a bit rough but ty for the upload ^_^

    i was wondering if you could upload the rest of the album? I liked the stones orchestrated with this song i would like to hear some others xP

  • uhhh.. they didn't life it... they sampled it and gave credits to the stones. so the Verve had to sign away most of the royalties from this in order to release it. Homework people.. then bash... And the Verve's song of it is even better. Yet credit to the artist is well deserved.

  • @scartooth

    well blame the dead guy (not brian jones) yes do your homework people.

  • Well, I told you once and I told you twice, don't rip off the Rolling Stones in sampled riffs! Ha Ha, the Verve got burned...

  • @fastfoodclowns

    it was not the stones but who held the rights-that ALlen guy. i know all about it. but it is the guy who died fault Allen Klein

    Allen Klein

    he wreked havoc for the beatles, ect... i know the story

    it is Allen Klein fault

    also where is the picture, the screen is all black??!?!?!?!

  • download it from here why you need a mp3 site ???

  • @menthor1984

    maybe for a better recording...also this is the full source, not the full song "Bittersweet Symphony"

  • he shouldn't have said this was an adaption, sounds different enough to be an original composition regardless of its inspiration

  • the original Dx!!!

  • There is NO WAY this is the actual recorded source used on the Verve song, it's very different.....

  • @TrickAssassins - The violin is to me the most obvious lift and it does seem to be a clear case of Verve lifting key parts of the performance played above. Try 0:19, for example.

    I am surprised that ABKCO was awarded 100 percent though. If the Verve had permission, I can't quite understand how ABKCO could get any more than 50 percent tops.

    It's a bummer too, because the Verve put together an amazing production with that song.

  • @TrickAssassins - Also try 1:39. It's very clear that it was a lift.

  • I dont know why the hell people are blaming The Stones for suing the verve. If it were actually up to Mick and Keith I'm sure they wouldn't have cared if the verve sampled from them. Considering that Allen klein and abkco controlled all of the rights to the song, the Stones probably had no say in the matter. Remember, abkco are the ones who screwed the Stones themselves out of their own songs!

  • the stones lost the rights to there songs from the 60's

  • I know, abkco owns the rights to every Stones song from 63 to 71.

  • yep aint that the truth, it is really Allen Klein & ABKCO

    plus Stones sued DECCA

  • @MrShadoobie yep although that may have changed...

  • Allen Klein.....ABKO.....can go suck my balls. & stop harrassing people who want to put amazing Stones songs up on YouTube for the world to hear & discover ! Your company are nothing but leeches. Klein, your wanton greed disgusts me. Now Fuck off & die. Oh.....you already did hahahaha.

  • @Rabbit1Lee

    the screen is all black??!!?!?!

  • @TEMPmichaelhansen Have you had a warning from Youtube over this video ? I can't remember what you had in the video...maybe its copyrighted by ABKCO. Trust me....I'm on my final warning coz of those bloodsuckers. DO NOT UPLOAD ANY Stones material pre Sticky Fingers....ABKCO will make you take it down. B*astards.

  • @Rabbit1Lee

    nope

    but maybe that is why my screen is all black

    no warning from there not that i know of...

    but maybe that is why the screen is all black

    my other video has not been either...maybe this version they dont own the rights to...check out others...

  • @Rabbit1Lee

    im going to start putting that type of stuff on my 'faveorites' and see how many get claimed by ABCKO. allen Klein is dead, and the representatives are probably doing this stuff...but still...

  • @Rabbit1Lee

    some of the sticky fingers stuff is owned by allen.

  • @TEMPmichaelhansen-Yes the screen is all black a bit like a fresh ripe nigger lol.

  • @Bacon4Rashers

    WATCH IT!!!

  • @Rabbit1Lee

    thats a bit cold man, i can agree with them being money hungry, but you have to admit. klein could orchestra a stones song like no other xD

  • @ledzeppelin27 Klein did not orchestrate any music with The Stones....the b*stard just sat back & took the royalties. I think you're getting confused with Andrew Loog Oldham.

  • @Rabbit1Lee

    you are right

  • @Rabbit1Lee

    boy is my face red, thanks for clearing that up >.<

    who is klein and what did he have to do with any of this?

  • @ledzeppelin27

    andrew loog oldham was the stones original 60's manager.

    Andrew Loog Oldham did the orchestra stuff

    Allen Klein was a later 60's manager who eneded up owning all the rights to the 60's material up to about 1971.

  • @TEMPmichaelhansen

    i was wondering why you hated him so much. reading the shout beatles biography, i liked brian epstein but they did'nt mention klein much. it has been a few years since i read it of course. why do you hate him so much?

  • @ledzeppelin27

    you can ask more if you want...also...i should make a video about ALlen Klein, who went on to wreck havoc for the beatles...

  • Does anyone have this on MP3? I've been looking for this song like for a year! It still haunts me!!!! I love It so much!

  • @nikkowhite try looking for it at the library on cd's

    that is where I got mine from...

  • To be honest, there wasn't much added by The Verve to make it into Bitter Sweet Symphony. And it's supposed to be their greatest hit.

  • this is somewhat true, but they're an amazing band in their own right without this song. in fact it pales in comparison to some of their older stuff... that, and Nick McCabe is a genious.

  • the verve is better gatoraide h2o gatorade h2o

    water sucks it really really sucks

  • Don't mess with da Stones.

  • yea...ok (the fact that stones made themselves as a laughing stock over the past i dunnoo more than 30+ years or so?)

  • when did this start? I am a big fan of the stones, but in the 70's they were stuill good. Mick Jagger is 66 years old and can still pull it off. I guess they need the money because of all there real estate. THE WHO kept touring because there bass player needed the money. Think of Charlie Watts, he is 68 years old. Can you see them pulling it off in there 70's? Keith may die if he keeps smoking.

  • its the publishing company

    allen has died

  • stones never wrote something quite as amazing lyrically as Bittersweet Symphony. fact.

  • too fucking right.

  • agreed

  • Bitter Sweet Symphony is written by Jagger and Richards?

    i'm right ?

    i think yes,,...xDDD

  • just because Allen Klein is jewish, and happens to be one of the biggest bastards ever, doesn't give you the right to talk shit about jews, fucker.

  • Does the record say who played the strings ?

  • look up Andrew Oldham Orchestra on wikipedia...Andrew Oldham Orchestra, in which Rolling Stones as well as London session players (including Steve Marriott on harmonica) recorded pop covers or instrumentals. These were rediscovered in the 1990s when the indie band The Verve used a string loop based on the orchestral arrangement of "The Last Time" in "Bitter Sweet Symphony"; in the ensuing court battle, songwriting royalties for the Verve track were awarded to Jagger and Richards.

  • @TEMPmichaelhansen yeah there was no mechanical copyright infringement, it was all in the publishing... Verve made nothing from the publishing of the music that went to Keith and Mick, but the Verve held all the money from physical sales.

  • @goonbot3030 i dont think mick & keith got anything

    Allen Klein owns the rights to all the songs from 63 till 71

    although somethings may have changed...

  • @TEMPmichaelhansen Wrong, the Stones suckers got all the cash, leaving Ashcroft in his socks.

  • @TheKontosuburbian

    stones got screwed

  • @TEMPmichaelhansen How could that be? The Stones never laid eyes on the song Aschcroft wrote, but got all the credit for it, plus the money from the sales. It is a well-known fact, please do some search first.

  • @TheKontosuburbian

    there is research on the stones signed over to Allek Klein (watch mick jagger rock and roll hall of fame on re packaging) and klein company owns the rights. then there is this that happened years later. stones get all the credit because of ABCKO.

  • @TheKontosuburbian

    i think mick & keith realise they have no control over these songs ect... i once saw a lennon documentary where Lennon said "I dont own the rights to my own songs" and also the thing where Brian Wilsons father sold the rights to beach boys songs, michael jackson buys the rights to beatles songs...

  • @TEMPmichaelhansen There's no rights problem, mate. It's simple. Ashcroft wrote the song using an old idea, a thing that several songwriters before and after him have done without getting fucked by the seniors. Aschcroft wasn't that lucky though, the seniors came after him and pocketed the money. Simple enough?

  • lol the orchestra version is better than the stones version!

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  • I'm sure Richard Ashcroft got quite a lot for the lyrics.

  • Kanye West does samples like this all the time and doesnt get sued, The Rolling Stones shouldn't have sued Verve.

  • that's why kanye west sucks. fucking no musical talent. sounds cool, yeah, cause it's not his music. this was actually done tastefully

  • just for the record:

    "due to copyright restrictions this version is no longer available commercially."

    I found 2 ciopies at the library. One the " Cruel Intentions " sound track and the other the full length album.

  • I think the version that's "no longer available commercially" is the remixed version by Rest Assured, called "Treat Infamy" - which is just as well, because it was rubbish. The Verve's version is still available.

  • found original version at library...

  • Actually it was Allen Klein who owned the Rolling Stones' sixties recordings did the dirty deed of fucking over The Verve. Klein also screwing The Stones with their older recordings as well.

  • THIS IS TRUE!!!

  • Sorry, I know Mick Jagger is supposed to be a genius and all that, but what he did to The Verve is really evil. I mean, they had PERMISSION from The Rolling Stones to use the sample, so they never "stole" the song at all, just when Mick Jagger realised Bittersweet Symphony was becoming really successful he suddenly decided they had used "too much" of the sample. And so The Verve never earned ANYTHING from their biggest hit. Mick Jagger is such a git.

  • Wow, so this just made me hate the rolling stones. The Verve made Bittersweet symphony into something more than this Stones' song was and now after all the popularity it is STILL RECEIVING, The Verve does not get a FREAKING PENNY of the rights to it.

    What's the icing on the cake though?

    This:

    "I'm out of wack here, this is serious lawyer shit. If The Verve can write a better song, they can keep the money."

    -Keith Richards when asked about the stones' royalties to the song

  • Not so much a sample as a steal. You can even hear the orchestral ostinato the Verve added if you listen carefully to the bells and the surrounding instruments.

    All the Verve added were the lyrics.

  • all they added? yea because we all know lyrics are basically not important at all when it comes to music...and plus the had permission..

  • Yes, they had permission to use a sample. Not basically help themselves to a massive chunk of another person's work.

  • you are right lol, i just wish verve couldve gotten some credit for it, and at least they are happy that they can play it at concerts and such i suppose

  • no the verve arranged it completely differently, and made a structure, and made the lyrics. whichever way you look at it, bittersweet symphony is brilliant, so im not too bothered

  • probably the greatest verve song ever,totally diffrent lyrics than the rolling stones version and richard ashcroft and co didnt get a penny 4 it,like jagger and the rest need the money

  • i know, i think its mainly the management that screwed the verve over. Apparantly bittersweet symphony was even used on a nike advert to milk it even more. Ridiculous - brilliant song either way though. One of the verves best for sure.

  • jagger never saw a dime. it was klein who prostituted it.

  • that is probably true

    that is mostly true

    I read all about it

    but things may have changed since then

    because Rolling Stones looked into DECCA records for back payments on Celebrity Justice. Decca was the lable that distributed the records in the UK during the 60's, LONDON was the USA label...

  • The Stones old manager Allen Klein owns the rights, so blame him.

  • yep, i figured as much. but i wonder ("Celebrity Justice") how far the suit of ROLLING STONES VS. DECCA went...

  • It ended with Klein getting 2 million from the Stones, plus all the rights to their songs from 1963-69, with the understanding he would get nothing of their songs made after that.

  • Jew with Jew lawyers, never happen.

  • Good point, Gomer.

  • Goyim Pyle to you.

  • you're insane - just listen to the oldham orchestrated version, it's the SAME song as the verve version - the violins they add are the SAME as the melody already here.... the verve do NOTHING other than repeat inane lines like "I can't change" over an over, like drooling idiots.

  • I'm insane? I'm not hanibal! All the verve did was take a sample from an existing piece of music, this is done more often than not in hip hop. The only problem is that richard ashcroft never asked for permission. Like it or not, bittersweet symphony is a great song and is far different from this peice of music, in the lyrics, structure, guitar line, energy...everything. Fantastic piece of music in it's own right, and arguably not even the verves finest moment.

  • Did I say insane? I meant inane

  • Oh...thats much worse :(

  • how can i get this song????

    i can't found this here in Brazil.

    Could you e-mail it for me????

    ( tiagoalvesrj @ gmail . com )

    THANKS !!!

    thanks Michael

    i already know the name of the album, but i can't get this song, and it doesn't have this album to buy here in Brazil.

    i just want the track "The Last Time". I have to make a work with this song.

    If you e-mail it to me i can pass a Bossa Nova song, or a Funk from my City Rio de Janeiro.

  • all I can tell you is

    The Andrew Oldham Orchestra

    Rolling Stones Songbook

    or try on one of those BLOGSPOT that may have this for an MP3/ITUNES or try ITUNES. That is all I know...

  • WTF Verve added violins and lots of amazing tuff over the friggin sample from this 'masterpiece' or wtf it is...

    BUT hey! no worries... new album by The Verve (Forth (2008) so they still can beat it

    GO VERVE

  • Of course it's gonna sound similar, it was sampled! Why do people say they stole the song? No one tells hip hop stars they stole a song ever time they sample something. Like hip hop, the Verve added their own stuff to the sample.

  • I'm convinced that Verve fans are the biggest morons in the universe after reading all these comments. It's one thing to say that the Verve did a great job of covering and arranging Andrew Oldham's piece, but to say anything more means your IQ is in the double digits man. Just sing the Verve's lyrics over this and you'll see what I mean.

  • The Verve added their own lyrics, their own drums, their own bass, their own guitars, their own keyboards and altered the string hook. This was put on top of a 30 sec sample of the song you hear on this page. Also Jagger and Richards had nothing to do with writing this. David Wittaker arranged this instrumental version for Andrew Oldham. They only called it a Rolling Stones cover to sell more records in 1965. These are the facts, feel free to check them.

  • @subrosaeffect1 Hey guess what? It doesn't matter because they sampled too much so they got sued! Their fault. And yes, The Stones' main riff to their song "The Last Time" is in this song. This IS a stones cover. And the dumbass band The Verve COPIED IT! sorry you verve fans can't handle it.

  • Si bien es cierto The Verve imitó el rif de los Stons, pues prefiero Bitter Sweet Symphony por la impactante letra e interpretacion inigualable, Richard¨Ashcroft interpreta el tema magistralmente. Los stones tuvieron otros grandes temas, last time no fue uno de ellos precisamente.

  • Though it is certain The Verve imitated the rif of the Stons, therefore I prefer Bitter Sweet Symphony by the stunning letter and interpretacion inequable, Richard¨Ashcroft interprets the theme brilliantly. The stones had other large themes, last swindle was not one of them exactly.

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