"However, due to copyright restrictions this version is no longer available commercially." - not true. I know, I produced it.
The Stones didn't write the string line and don't own it, it's by Andrew Loog Oldham and comes from an intro to an adaptation. Klein screwed him, just like he screwed the Verve and Rest Assured for publishing income. As an intro of an adaptation, it's not covered by the original publishing deal, but neither of the labels involved had the balls to take Klein on.
@aljuk well what is the real story? I got mine from the library (verve,that is) I have had the record of ALO orchestra since jr high. I am now 38. i compared the 2 and the sound slightly different. ...but this is what these companies can do: the original print of the film WAYNED WORLD has the notes for "Stairway to heaven" the dvd has not. On the first season of the osbournes, ozzy soings "burning down the house" on dvd it is changed to "burning it all down"
I think it was very rude of ABKCO to charge The Verve. Couldn't Jagger and Richards have averted that - asking ABKCO to not do that? I expected them to encourage new bands and not deter them like this.
Looking at a comment string on here now a days is like looking at a war zone, seeing the many different directions people are shooting and what not....
@SeeYouNextTuesday0 You don't have any idea what are you talking about boy. Go and keep listening Lady Gaga ;D hahaha. The thing here is... Nobody will ever, write, a song like this or better. Just say it's a 'One Hit Band' Men, this is not a hit... This is an Anthem... An Anthem for Life, of the World. You are a one hit person. Ha
What's so amazing about hearing both is how an artist can get so close to success... and miss just the right combination of instruments to turn the tune into success.
And if the Rolling Stones missed the marketability of this gem... just think of all the other instrumentals they might have out there which could be reproduced and copied for big profit!
When it comes down to it. The lyrics are more powerful than the melody in this case. The melody is like the The Dude's rug. It just ties the song together.
The saddest part of this is that literally 98 percent of the world has probably not heard the original Stone's song and probably 45 percent of the world has heard the Verve's.
Fuck Allen Klein. The Verve wrote one of the most popular songs of all time, but really the Rolling Stone's did?
Total bs. The Verve took the song and made it better, plain and simple. When you make a song BETTER then its not a copy. Just look at how many songs Led Zep stole. Joke.
Recently watched the Scorcese film of the Stones live concert; it's truly a wonder anybody ever gave the band the benefit of the doubt, Jagger is a Tosser,although watching his squirny 'dance of the gimps' reminds me of my IBS. Richards then Wood was asked who was the better guitarist; may I proffer Papa Smurf . .
I saw Richards in an interview saying " that guy (Ashcroft) ripped us off, what are we supposed to be, flattered??" Far from being sympathetic with Ashcroft and the Verve..
This all the evil and unfortunate cleverness of one Allen Klein...Mick and Keith had nothing to do with this being litigated, though they could have come to Ashcroft's defense, being they've been screwed over by Klein just as much...Keith's on record saying basically, 'they can keep the money if its a better song'(paraphrasing) They went through the same thing with that tune "Anybody seen my baby" from Bridges to Babylon..Whats worse..Ashcroft/Jagger/Richards or Jagger/Richards/K.D. Lang??!!
To me this like the guy who invented the first wheel. His mate has a look and says "not bad, but look at the one I made, it's round instead of square!" i.e the Stone's song is OK but Bittersweet Symphony is in a different league
No i disagree Kieth and Mick had to have a hand in it Verve had permission to use the sample and split the royalties but than when the song blew up way more than anybody thought they claimed they used too much of the sample as a money grab ploy.Fuck the Stones! i hope they know that the money can't follow them to the grave because those dudes from the verve deserved some of those royalties.The Lyrics were all original and the sample was even jazzed up a bit
@0TheSeeker I agree with most everything you said but,I don't really consider it "Sampling" like everyone on here says when its changed a quite a bit from different types of violens, to quicker and more notes / chopping the notes up... Sample is what rap does, directly use thee exact instruments and notes.
You're kidding, right? The lyrics may be original but there's hardly a difference between this and the symphony in "Bitter Sweet Symphony." That's not a sample- that's the whole friggin' song! Do I think the Verve was ripped off royalty-wise? Yes, but when your entire symphony is a rip-off, you're playing with fire. And the Verve got burned, big time. I honestly don't think Richards and Jagger cared enough to sue but Klein was a greedy bastard and he had a helluva case.
@eoinroe47 you shouldnt just abandon the stones, theyre still a great band and it probably wasnt completely their choice. Most musicians dont like sueing over copyright but a lot of the stones' lawyers and agents said hey you gotta do this
The real crime here is that the Verve had already worked out a deal that would allow them to sample the song and after the song exploded in popularity, the rolling stones and their representatives rung back and wanted everything and they got it, even full credits to the songwriting righs. Ashcroft said it best: "It's the best song they've [The Rolling Stones] "written" in 20 years".
@TEMPmichaelhansen Interesting, I remember hearing the exact same violin solo line straight out of....let me think here...CPE (Carl Phillip Emmanuel) Bach, now where is that sheet music...It is a harpsichord counter melody. I'll fav this thread.
The surrender of royalties could have been avoided if The Verve had just used their heads! The prominent string hook that the song is known for was ADDED by The Verve, which means that the entire Stones sample could have been removed before release without changing the song's sound very much. While it's true that Ashcroft also stole the verse melody from the Stones' song (The Last Time), plenty of artists lift parts of melodies without repercussions. I think they'd have gotten away with it.
uhhh.. they didn't life it... they sampled it and gave credits to the stones. so the Verve had to sign away most of the royalties from this in order to release it. Homework people.. then bash... And the Verve's song of it is even better. Yet credit to the artist is well deserved.
@TrickAssassins - The violin is to me the most obvious lift and it does seem to be a clear case of Verve lifting key parts of the performance played above. Try 0:19, for example.
I am surprised that ABKCO was awarded 100 percent though. If the Verve had permission, I can't quite understand how ABKCO could get any more than 50 percent tops.
It's a bummer too, because the Verve put together an amazing production with that song.
I dont know why the hell people are blaming The Stones for suing the verve. If it were actually up to Mick and Keith I'm sure they wouldn't have cared if the verve sampled from them. Considering that Allen klein and abkco controlled all of the rights to the song, the Stones probably had no say in the matter. Remember, abkco are the ones who screwed the Stones themselves out of their own songs!
Allen Klein.....ABKO.....can go suck my balls. & stop harrassing people who want to put amazing Stones songs up on YouTube for the world to hear & discover ! Your company are nothing but leeches. Klein, your wanton greed disgusts me. Now Fuck off & die. Oh.....you already did hahahaha.
@TEMPmichaelhansen Have you had a warning from Youtube over this video ? I can't remember what you had in the video...maybe its copyrighted by ABKCO. Trust me....I'm on my final warning coz of those bloodsuckers. DO NOT UPLOAD ANY Stones material pre Sticky Fingers....ABKCO will make you take it down. B*astards.
im going to start putting that type of stuff on my 'faveorites' and see how many get claimed by ABCKO. allen Klein is dead, and the representatives are probably doing this stuff...but still...
@ledzeppelin27 Klein did not orchestrate any music with The Stones....the b*stard just sat back & took the royalties. I think you're getting confused with Andrew Loog Oldham.
i was wondering why you hated him so much. reading the shout beatles biography, i liked brian epstein but they did'nt mention klein much. it has been a few years since i read it of course. why do you hate him so much?
this is somewhat true, but they're an amazing band in their own right without this song. in fact it pales in comparison to some of their older stuff... that, and Nick McCabe is a genious.
when did this start? I am a big fan of the stones, but in the 70's they were stuill good. Mick Jagger is 66 years old and can still pull it off. I guess they need the money because of all there real estate. THE WHO kept touring because there bass player needed the money. Think of Charlie Watts, he is 68 years old. Can you see them pulling it off in there 70's? Keith may die if he keeps smoking.
look up Andrew Oldham Orchestra on wikipedia...Andrew Oldham Orchestra, in which Rolling Stones as well as London session players (including Steve Marriott on harmonica) recorded pop covers or instrumentals. These were rediscovered in the 1990s when the indie band The Verve used a string loop based on the orchestral arrangement of "The Last Time" in "Bitter Sweet Symphony"; in the ensuing court battle, songwriting royalties for the Verve track were awarded to Jagger and Richards.
@TEMPmichaelhansen yeah there was no mechanical copyright infringement, it was all in the publishing... Verve made nothing from the publishing of the music that went to Keith and Mick, but the Verve held all the money from physical sales.
@TEMPmichaelhansen How could that be? The Stones never laid eyes on the song Aschcroft wrote, but got all the credit for it, plus the money from the sales. It is a well-known fact, please do some search first.
there is research on the stones signed over to Allek Klein (watch mick jagger rock and roll hall of fame on re packaging) and klein company owns the rights. then there is this that happened years later. stones get all the credit because of ABCKO.
i think mick & keith realise they have no control over these songs ect... i once saw a lennon documentary where Lennon said "I dont own the rights to my own songs" and also the thing where Brian Wilsons father sold the rights to beach boys songs, michael jackson buys the rights to beatles songs...
@TEMPmichaelhansen There's no rights problem, mate. It's simple. Ashcroft wrote the song using an old idea, a thing that several songwriters before and after him have done without getting fucked by the seniors. Aschcroft wasn't that lucky though, the seniors came after him and pocketed the money. Simple enough?
I think the version that's "no longer available commercially" is the remixed version by Rest Assured, called "Treat Infamy" - which is just as well, because it was rubbish. The Verve's version is still available.
Actually it was Allen Klein who owned the Rolling Stones' sixties recordings did the dirty deed of fucking over The Verve. Klein also screwing The Stones with their older recordings as well.
Sorry, I know Mick Jagger is supposed to be a genius and all that, but what he did to The Verve is really evil. I mean, they had PERMISSION from The Rolling Stones to use the sample, so they never "stole" the song at all, just when Mick Jagger realised Bittersweet Symphony was becoming really successful he suddenly decided they had used "too much" of the sample. And so The Verve never earned ANYTHING from their biggest hit. Mick Jagger is such a git.
Wow, so this just made me hate the rolling stones. The Verve made Bittersweet symphony into something more than this Stones' song was and now after all the popularity it is STILL RECEIVING, The Verve does not get a FREAKING PENNY of the rights to it.
What's the icing on the cake though?
This:
"I'm out of wack here, this is serious lawyer shit. If The Verve can write a better song, they can keep the money."
-Keith Richards when asked about the stones' royalties to the song
Not so much a sample as a steal. You can even hear the orchestral ostinato the Verve added if you listen carefully to the bells and the surrounding instruments.
you are right lol, i just wish verve couldve gotten some credit for it, and at least they are happy that they can play it at concerts and such i suppose
no the verve arranged it completely differently, and made a structure, and made the lyrics. whichever way you look at it, bittersweet symphony is brilliant, so im not too bothered
probably the greatest verve song ever,totally diffrent lyrics than the rolling stones version and richard ashcroft and co didnt get a penny 4 it,like jagger and the rest need the money
i know, i think its mainly the management that screwed the verve over. Apparantly bittersweet symphony was even used on a nike advert to milk it even more. Ridiculous - brilliant song either way though. One of the verves best for sure.
because Rolling Stones looked into DECCA records for back payments on Celebrity Justice. Decca was the lable that distributed the records in the UK during the 60's, LONDON was the USA label...
It ended with Klein getting 2 million from the Stones, plus all the rights to their songs from 1963-69, with the understanding he would get nothing of their songs made after that.
you're insane - just listen to the oldham orchestrated version, it's the SAME song as the verve version - the violins they add are the SAME as the melody already here.... the verve do NOTHING other than repeat inane lines like "I can't change" over an over, like drooling idiots.
I'm insane? I'm not hanibal! All the verve did was take a sample from an existing piece of music, this is done more often than not in hip hop. The only problem is that richard ashcroft never asked for permission. Like it or not, bittersweet symphony is a great song and is far different from this peice of music, in the lyrics, structure, guitar line, energy...everything. Fantastic piece of music in it's own right, and arguably not even the verves finest moment.
Of course it's gonna sound similar, it was sampled! Why do people say they stole the song? No one tells hip hop stars they stole a song ever time they sample something. Like hip hop, the Verve added their own stuff to the sample.
I'm convinced that Verve fans are the biggest morons in the universe after reading all these comments. It's one thing to say that the Verve did a great job of covering and arranging Andrew Oldham's piece, but to say anything more means your IQ is in the double digits man. Just sing the Verve's lyrics over this and you'll see what I mean.
The Verve added their own lyrics, their own drums, their own bass, their own guitars, their own keyboards and altered the string hook. This was put on top of a 30 sec sample of the song you hear on this page. Also Jagger and Richards had nothing to do with writing this. David Wittaker arranged this instrumental version for Andrew Oldham. They only called it a Rolling Stones cover to sell more records in 1965. These are the facts, feel free to check them.
@subrosaeffect1 Hey guess what? It doesn't matter because they sampled too much so they got sued! Their fault. And yes, The Stones' main riff to their song "The Last Time" is in this song. This IS a stones cover. And the dumbass band The Verve COPIED IT! sorry you verve fans can't handle it.
Si bien es cierto The Verve imitó el rif de los Stons, pues prefiero Bitter Sweet Symphony por la impactante letra e interpretacion inigualable, Richard¨Ashcroft interpreta el tema magistralmente. Los stones tuvieron otros grandes temas, last time no fue uno de ellos precisamente.
Though it is certain The Verve imitated the rif of the Stons, therefore I prefer Bitter Sweet Symphony by the stunning letter and interpretacion inequable, Richard¨Ashcroft interprets the theme brilliantly. The stones had other large themes, last swindle was not one of them exactly.
Allen Klein is now DEAD...he paid the price...Ashcroft is till here.
spikeisking007 1 month ago
i would like to hear tis on HQ.
anibalnikov47 1 month ago
"However, due to copyright restrictions this version is no longer available commercially." - not true. I know, I produced it.
The Stones didn't write the string line and don't own it, it's by Andrew Loog Oldham and comes from an intro to an adaptation. Klein screwed him, just like he screwed the Verve and Rest Assured for publishing income. As an intro of an adaptation, it's not covered by the original publishing deal, but neither of the labels involved had the balls to take Klein on.
aljuk 1 month ago
@aljuk well what is the real story? I got mine from the library (verve,that is) I have had the record of ALO orchestra since jr high. I am now 38. i compared the 2 and the sound slightly different. ...but this is what these companies can do: the original print of the film WAYNED WORLD has the notes for "Stairway to heaven" the dvd has not. On the first season of the osbournes, ozzy soings "burning down the house" on dvd it is changed to "burning it all down"
MichaelHansenFUN 1 month ago
@aljuk Hi, just have a question. How do you mean produced it? Do you mean the Verve version or the Oldham version? Thanks.
aardvarkmcgillicuddy 1 month ago
will never think of the stones as anything other than corporate tools after this
plymouthmartini 2 months ago
@plymouthmartini read there history-they lost ther rights to there 60's stuff...
MichaelHansenFUN 2 months ago
I don't think Keith gives a shit whatever happens...it's just the way it goes. Fuck em...you win some, you lose some.
dannon2010 3 months ago
I think it was very rude of ABKCO to charge The Verve. Couldn't Jagger and Richards have averted that - asking ABKCO to not do that? I expected them to encourage new bands and not deter them like this.
TheAtheistHindu 3 months ago
@TheAtheistHindu well they own the rights to all there 60's stuff...its a long short story.
MichaelHansenFUN 2 months ago
os cara do The verve ganham porra nenhuma con essa musica? só os rolling stones? loll direitos autorias éh foda!!
MrSHowVIdeo 3 months ago
So did they sample the recording itself directly? Or did they actually just re-record the composition with their own violins/bells/ etc...
PhleetwoodMac 3 months ago
@PhleetwoodMac - the Verve sampled it. Rest Assured re-played it with students from the Royal College of Music in London.
aljuk 1 month ago
Looking at a comment string on here now a days is like looking at a war zone, seeing the many different directions people are shooting and what not....
Pyrus335 4 months ago
lol wth is up with the quality of this? I feel like i can hear someone whispering and moving / bumping into things.
Amazing song though
SharpTurnsNYourWords 4 months ago
The Verve were a one hit wonder band regardless.
SeeYouNextTuesday0 4 months ago
@SeeYouNextTuesday0 The Drugs Dont work? Love Is Noise? Lucky Man?
CaNnAbLeDcFc 4 months ago
@SeeYouNextTuesday0 You don't have any idea what are you talking about boy. Go and keep listening Lady Gaga ;D hahaha. The thing here is... Nobody will ever, write, a song like this or better. Just say it's a 'One Hit Band' Men, this is not a hit... This is an Anthem... An Anthem for Life, of the World. You are a one hit person. Ha
AlessandroinParis 3 months ago
i like this version more....
vriend1 6 months ago
there`s a reason paul mcartney did not want allen klein managing the beatles. nuff said.
RJiminez51 6 months ago 4
What's so amazing about hearing both is how an artist can get so close to success... and miss just the right combination of instruments to turn the tune into success.
And if the Rolling Stones missed the marketability of this gem... just think of all the other instrumentals they might have out there which could be reproduced and copied for big profit!
Spudst3r 7 months ago
When it comes down to it. The lyrics are more powerful than the melody in this case. The melody is like the The Dude's rug. It just ties the song together.
thefivefour 7 months ago
what TWATS>
juansquared 8 months ago
Biggest injustice of music history!
JimBR 8 months ago
The saddest part of this is that literally 98 percent of the world has probably not heard the original Stone's song and probably 45 percent of the world has heard the Verve's.
Fuck Allen Klein. The Verve wrote one of the most popular songs of all time, but really the Rolling Stone's did?
The song's name is so ironic too.
xXGhilliedxSamuraiXx 8 months ago
I swear , greed could kill anything .
DILLONATORFX 9 months ago
just shows the difference in class between the two bands given that the stones more or less wrote the verves best song
OneBaggio1994 11 months ago
Total bs. The Verve took the song and made it better, plain and simple. When you make a song BETTER then its not a copy. Just look at how many songs Led Zep stole. Joke.
scm8487 11 months ago
Recently watched the Scorcese film of the Stones live concert; it's truly a wonder anybody ever gave the band the benefit of the doubt, Jagger is a Tosser,although watching his squirny 'dance of the gimps' reminds me of my IBS. Richards then Wood was asked who was the better guitarist; may I proffer Papa Smurf . .
Robinhill007 11 months ago
Best song they ever did!
mfan0825 11 months ago
I bought the Verve version when it came out (still have it), but if I'd known about the Stones' instrumental, I'd have bought that instead.
HengistTheGreat 1 year ago
I saw Richards in an interview saying " that guy (Ashcroft) ripped us off, what are we supposed to be, flattered??" Far from being sympathetic with Ashcroft and the Verve..
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hauusddfd 1 year ago
whats the name of this tune?
kjah187 1 year ago
This all the evil and unfortunate cleverness of one Allen Klein...Mick and Keith had nothing to do with this being litigated, though they could have come to Ashcroft's defense, being they've been screwed over by Klein just as much...Keith's on record saying basically, 'they can keep the money if its a better song'(paraphrasing) They went through the same thing with that tune "Anybody seen my baby" from Bridges to Babylon..Whats worse..Ashcroft/Jagger/Richards or Jagger/Richards/K.D. Lang??!!
Aleboy916 1 year ago 7
@Aleboy916
a lot of people dont get it
unless they read all the books
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
To me this like the guy who invented the first wheel. His mate has a look and says "not bad, but look at the one I made, it's round instead of square!" i.e the Stone's song is OK but Bittersweet Symphony is in a different league
pyrogaz 1 year ago 3
I never bought another stones record/tape/cd after that happened.
eoinroe47 1 year ago 5
@eoinroe47
I just bought a rolling stones vinyl bootleg
WHAT HAPPENED HERE WAS ABCKO'S FAULT!!! NOT MICK AND KEITH!!!
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago 9
@TEMPmichaelhansen
No i disagree Kieth and Mick had to have a hand in it Verve had permission to use the sample and split the royalties but than when the song blew up way more than anybody thought they claimed they used too much of the sample as a money grab ploy.Fuck the Stones! i hope they know that the money can't follow them to the grave because those dudes from the verve deserved some of those royalties.The Lyrics were all original and the sample was even jazzed up a bit
0TheSeeker 10 months ago
@0TheSeeker I agree with most everything you said but,I don't really consider it "Sampling" like everyone on here says when its changed a quite a bit from different types of violens, to quicker and more notes / chopping the notes up... Sample is what rap does, directly use thee exact instruments and notes.
SharpTurnsNYourWords 4 months ago
@0TheSeeker
You're kidding, right? The lyrics may be original but there's hardly a difference between this and the symphony in "Bitter Sweet Symphony." That's not a sample- that's the whole friggin' song! Do I think the Verve was ripped off royalty-wise? Yes, but when your entire symphony is a rip-off, you're playing with fire. And the Verve got burned, big time. I honestly don't think Richards and Jagger cared enough to sue but Klein was a greedy bastard and he had a helluva case.
rilesrox 3 months ago
@eoinroe47 You realize the stones aren't the ones who sued, but the companies, the stones don't care, the companies just wanted more money.
Deathsquad49 5 months ago
@eoinroe47 you shouldnt just abandon the stones, theyre still a great band and it probably wasnt completely their choice. Most musicians dont like sueing over copyright but a lot of the stones' lawyers and agents said hey you gotta do this
rockinman1996 3 months ago
@eoinroe47 im sure the stones noticed... :)
MrJeffw45 1 month ago
The real crime here is that the Verve had already worked out a deal that would allow them to sample the song and after the song exploded in popularity, the rolling stones and their representatives rung back and wanted everything and they got it, even full credits to the songwriting righs. Ashcroft said it best: "It's the best song they've [The Rolling Stones] "written" in 20 years".
lsdforyouandmee 1 year ago 27
@lsdforyouandmee
well the stones dont own the rights but blame allen klien
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago 3
Is this the original version by the oldham orchestra?
DragonAdored 1 year ago
@DragonAdored
yes
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
composer/arranger death +75 in US? irrelevant irrelevant if renewed. Or do I have this wrong?
Cellopro 1 year ago
@Cellopro
who knows, but still public domain
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
@TEMPmichaelhansen Interesting, I remember hearing the exact same violin solo line straight out of....let me think here...CPE (Carl Phillip Emmanuel) Bach, now where is that sheet music...It is a harpsichord counter melody. I'll fav this thread.
Cellopro 1 year ago
@Cellopro
there are other more bizarre things...who knows.
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
so according to US copyright law, These arrangements will be public domain in what, 2074?
Cellopro 1 year ago
@Cellopro
well if one of his kids renews
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
THANK GOD ALLEN KLEIN IS DEAD.
REST IN PIECE YOU ROTTEN BASTARD !
mrblisterfist 1 year ago
@mrblisterfist
keith claimed it was a learning experience
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
i though that the verve had just inspired a bit on this song (i've heard it before), but wtf is a damn copy!!!!!
clecre 1 year ago
The surrender of royalties could have been avoided if The Verve had just used their heads! The prominent string hook that the song is known for was ADDED by The Verve, which means that the entire Stones sample could have been removed before release without changing the song's sound very much. While it's true that Ashcroft also stole the verse melody from the Stones' song (The Last Time), plenty of artists lift parts of melodies without repercussions. I think they'd have gotten away with it.
em7dim9 1 year ago
audio quality is a bit rough but ty for the upload ^_^
i was wondering if you could upload the rest of the album? I liked the stones orchestrated with this song i would like to hear some others xP
ledzeppelin27 1 year ago
uhhh.. they didn't life it... they sampled it and gave credits to the stones. so the Verve had to sign away most of the royalties from this in order to release it. Homework people.. then bash... And the Verve's song of it is even better. Yet credit to the artist is well deserved.
scartooth 1 year ago
@scartooth
well blame the dead guy (not brian jones) yes do your homework people.
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
Well, I told you once and I told you twice, don't rip off the Rolling Stones in sampled riffs! Ha Ha, the Verve got burned...
fastfoodclowns 1 year ago
@fastfoodclowns
it was not the stones but who held the rights-that ALlen guy. i know all about it. but it is the guy who died fault Allen Klein
Allen Klein
he wreked havoc for the beatles, ect... i know the story
it is Allen Klein fault
also where is the picture, the screen is all black??!?!?!?!
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
download it from here why you need a mp3 site ???
menthor1984 1 year ago
@menthor1984
maybe for a better recording...also this is the full source, not the full song "Bittersweet Symphony"
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
he shouldn't have said this was an adaption, sounds different enough to be an original composition regardless of its inspiration
skinnydipper16 1 year ago
the original Dx!!!
sadfbgsda 1 year ago
There is NO WAY this is the actual recorded source used on the Verve song, it's very different.....
TrickAssassins 1 year ago
@TrickAssassins - The violin is to me the most obvious lift and it does seem to be a clear case of Verve lifting key parts of the performance played above. Try 0:19, for example.
I am surprised that ABKCO was awarded 100 percent though. If the Verve had permission, I can't quite understand how ABKCO could get any more than 50 percent tops.
It's a bummer too, because the Verve put together an amazing production with that song.
BeardedKirklander 1 year ago
@TrickAssassins - Also try 1:39. It's very clear that it was a lift.
BeardedKirklander 1 year ago
I dont know why the hell people are blaming The Stones for suing the verve. If it were actually up to Mick and Keith I'm sure they wouldn't have cared if the verve sampled from them. Considering that Allen klein and abkco controlled all of the rights to the song, the Stones probably had no say in the matter. Remember, abkco are the ones who screwed the Stones themselves out of their own songs!
MrShadoobie 1 year ago
the stones lost the rights to there songs from the 60's
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
I know, abkco owns the rights to every Stones song from 63 to 71.
MrShadoobie 1 year ago
yep aint that the truth, it is really Allen Klein & ABKCO
plus Stones sued DECCA
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
@MrShadoobie yep although that may have changed...
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
Allen Klein.....ABKO.....can go suck my balls. & stop harrassing people who want to put amazing Stones songs up on YouTube for the world to hear & discover ! Your company are nothing but leeches. Klein, your wanton greed disgusts me. Now Fuck off & die. Oh.....you already did hahahaha.
Rabbit1Lee 1 year ago 30
@Rabbit1Lee
the screen is all black??!!?!?!
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
@TEMPmichaelhansen Have you had a warning from Youtube over this video ? I can't remember what you had in the video...maybe its copyrighted by ABKCO. Trust me....I'm on my final warning coz of those bloodsuckers. DO NOT UPLOAD ANY Stones material pre Sticky Fingers....ABKCO will make you take it down. B*astards.
Rabbit1Lee 1 year ago
@Rabbit1Lee
nope
but maybe that is why my screen is all black
no warning from there not that i know of...
but maybe that is why the screen is all black
my other video has not been either...maybe this version they dont own the rights to...check out others...
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
@Rabbit1Lee
im going to start putting that type of stuff on my 'faveorites' and see how many get claimed by ABCKO. allen Klein is dead, and the representatives are probably doing this stuff...but still...
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
@Rabbit1Lee
some of the sticky fingers stuff is owned by allen.
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
@TEMPmichaelhansen-Yes the screen is all black a bit like a fresh ripe nigger lol.
Bacon4Rashers 1 year ago
@Bacon4Rashers
WATCH IT!!!
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
@Rabbit1Lee
thats a bit cold man, i can agree with them being money hungry, but you have to admit. klein could orchestra a stones song like no other xD
ledzeppelin27 1 year ago
@ledzeppelin27 Klein did not orchestrate any music with The Stones....the b*stard just sat back & took the royalties. I think you're getting confused with Andrew Loog Oldham.
Rabbit1Lee 1 year ago
@Rabbit1Lee
you are right
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
@Rabbit1Lee
boy is my face red, thanks for clearing that up >.<
who is klein and what did he have to do with any of this?
ledzeppelin27 1 year ago
@ledzeppelin27
andrew loog oldham was the stones original 60's manager.
Andrew Loog Oldham did the orchestra stuff
Allen Klein was a later 60's manager who eneded up owning all the rights to the 60's material up to about 1971.
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
@TEMPmichaelhansen
i was wondering why you hated him so much. reading the shout beatles biography, i liked brian epstein but they did'nt mention klein much. it has been a few years since i read it of course. why do you hate him so much?
ledzeppelin27 1 year ago
@ledzeppelin27
you can ask more if you want...also...i should make a video about ALlen Klein, who went on to wreck havoc for the beatles...
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
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these clips are sick as fuck - tiny[.]cc/fisting17
HabuqipNogopuny 2 years ago
Does anyone have this on MP3? I've been looking for this song like for a year! It still haunts me!!!! I love It so much!
nikkowhite 2 years ago
@nikkowhite try looking for it at the library on cd's
that is where I got mine from...
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
To be honest, there wasn't much added by The Verve to make it into Bitter Sweet Symphony. And it's supposed to be their greatest hit.
eroock 2 years ago
this is somewhat true, but they're an amazing band in their own right without this song. in fact it pales in comparison to some of their older stuff... that, and Nick McCabe is a genious.
six6to8eight 2 years ago
the verve is better gatoraide h2o gatorade h2o
water sucks it really really sucks
delsol2lowz 2 years ago
Don't mess with da Stones.
pbmax 2 years ago
yea...ok (the fact that stones made themselves as a laughing stock over the past i dunnoo more than 30+ years or so?)
Soulcarvers 2 years ago
when did this start? I am a big fan of the stones, but in the 70's they were stuill good. Mick Jagger is 66 years old and can still pull it off. I guess they need the money because of all there real estate. THE WHO kept touring because there bass player needed the money. Think of Charlie Watts, he is 68 years old. Can you see them pulling it off in there 70's? Keith may die if he keeps smoking.
TEMPmichaelhansen 2 years ago
its the publishing company
allen has died
TEMPmichaelhansen 2 years ago
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jews own the world. wow, how fucking original
macintologist04 2 years ago
stones never wrote something quite as amazing lyrically as Bittersweet Symphony. fact.
scottybrd 2 years ago
too fucking right.
noahwayne 2 years ago
agreed
brian360s 2 years ago
Bitter Sweet Symphony is written by Jagger and Richards?
i'm right ?
i think yes,,...xDDD
TheLayLadyLay 2 years ago
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do jews own all british entertainment?
BigBishop1 2 years ago
just because Allen Klein is jewish, and happens to be one of the biggest bastards ever, doesn't give you the right to talk shit about jews, fucker.
GruppeB 2 years ago
Does the record say who played the strings ?
kammermusiken 2 years ago
look up Andrew Oldham Orchestra on wikipedia...Andrew Oldham Orchestra, in which Rolling Stones as well as London session players (including Steve Marriott on harmonica) recorded pop covers or instrumentals. These were rediscovered in the 1990s when the indie band The Verve used a string loop based on the orchestral arrangement of "The Last Time" in "Bitter Sweet Symphony"; in the ensuing court battle, songwriting royalties for the Verve track were awarded to Jagger and Richards.
TEMPmichaelhansen 2 years ago
@TEMPmichaelhansen yeah there was no mechanical copyright infringement, it was all in the publishing... Verve made nothing from the publishing of the music that went to Keith and Mick, but the Verve held all the money from physical sales.
goonbot3030 1 year ago
@goonbot3030 i dont think mick & keith got anything
Allen Klein owns the rights to all the songs from 63 till 71
although somethings may have changed...
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
@TEMPmichaelhansen Wrong, the Stones suckers got all the cash, leaving Ashcroft in his socks.
TheKontosuburbian 1 year ago 3
@TheKontosuburbian
stones got screwed
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
@TEMPmichaelhansen How could that be? The Stones never laid eyes on the song Aschcroft wrote, but got all the credit for it, plus the money from the sales. It is a well-known fact, please do some search first.
TheKontosuburbian 1 year ago
@TheKontosuburbian
there is research on the stones signed over to Allek Klein (watch mick jagger rock and roll hall of fame on re packaging) and klein company owns the rights. then there is this that happened years later. stones get all the credit because of ABCKO.
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
@TheKontosuburbian
i think mick & keith realise they have no control over these songs ect... i once saw a lennon documentary where Lennon said "I dont own the rights to my own songs" and also the thing where Brian Wilsons father sold the rights to beach boys songs, michael jackson buys the rights to beatles songs...
TEMPmichaelhansen 1 year ago
@TEMPmichaelhansen There's no rights problem, mate. It's simple. Ashcroft wrote the song using an old idea, a thing that several songwriters before and after him have done without getting fucked by the seniors. Aschcroft wasn't that lucky though, the seniors came after him and pocketed the money. Simple enough?
TheKontosuburbian 1 year ago
lol the orchestra version is better than the stones version!
guitamasta 2 years ago
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at90percent 3 years ago
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kaybaby1219 3 years ago
I'm sure Richard Ashcroft got quite a lot for the lyrics.
county4life 3 years ago
Kanye West does samples like this all the time and doesnt get sued, The Rolling Stones shouldn't have sued Verve.
BruceMac9 3 years ago
that's why kanye west sucks. fucking no musical talent. sounds cool, yeah, cause it's not his music. this was actually done tastefully
standardyarn 3 years ago
just for the record:
"due to copyright restrictions this version is no longer available commercially."
I found 2 ciopies at the library. One the " Cruel Intentions " sound track and the other the full length album.
TEMPmichaelhansen 3 years ago
I think the version that's "no longer available commercially" is the remixed version by Rest Assured, called "Treat Infamy" - which is just as well, because it was rubbish. The Verve's version is still available.
FlowersInHisHair 3 years ago
found original version at library...
TEMPmichaelhansen 2 years ago
Actually it was Allen Klein who owned the Rolling Stones' sixties recordings did the dirty deed of fucking over The Verve. Klein also screwing The Stones with their older recordings as well.
blachubear 3 years ago 2
THIS IS TRUE!!!
TEMPmichaelhansen 3 years ago
Sorry, I know Mick Jagger is supposed to be a genius and all that, but what he did to The Verve is really evil. I mean, they had PERMISSION from The Rolling Stones to use the sample, so they never "stole" the song at all, just when Mick Jagger realised Bittersweet Symphony was becoming really successful he suddenly decided they had used "too much" of the sample. And so The Verve never earned ANYTHING from their biggest hit. Mick Jagger is such a git.
FlyingMango94 3 years ago
Wow, so this just made me hate the rolling stones. The Verve made Bittersweet symphony into something more than this Stones' song was and now after all the popularity it is STILL RECEIVING, The Verve does not get a FREAKING PENNY of the rights to it.
What's the icing on the cake though?
This:
"I'm out of wack here, this is serious lawyer shit. If The Verve can write a better song, they can keep the money."
-Keith Richards when asked about the stones' royalties to the song
Finnthefunmaker 3 years ago
Not so much a sample as a steal. You can even hear the orchestral ostinato the Verve added if you listen carefully to the bells and the surrounding instruments.
All the Verve added were the lyrics.
egapnala65 3 years ago
all they added? yea because we all know lyrics are basically not important at all when it comes to music...and plus the had permission..
smspartansm 3 years ago
Yes, they had permission to use a sample. Not basically help themselves to a massive chunk of another person's work.
egapnala65 3 years ago 2
you are right lol, i just wish verve couldve gotten some credit for it, and at least they are happy that they can play it at concerts and such i suppose
smspartansm 3 years ago
no the verve arranged it completely differently, and made a structure, and made the lyrics. whichever way you look at it, bittersweet symphony is brilliant, so im not too bothered
y2james 2 years ago
probably the greatest verve song ever,totally diffrent lyrics than the rolling stones version and richard ashcroft and co didnt get a penny 4 it,like jagger and the rest need the money
dih1979 2 years ago
i know, i think its mainly the management that screwed the verve over. Apparantly bittersweet symphony was even used on a nike advert to milk it even more. Ridiculous - brilliant song either way though. One of the verves best for sure.
y2james 2 years ago
jagger never saw a dime. it was klein who prostituted it.
redtailari 2 years ago
that is probably true
that is mostly true
I read all about it
but things may have changed since then
because Rolling Stones looked into DECCA records for back payments on Celebrity Justice. Decca was the lable that distributed the records in the UK during the 60's, LONDON was the USA label...
TEMPmichaelhansen 2 years ago
The Stones old manager Allen Klein owns the rights, so blame him.
steveconn 2 years ago
yep, i figured as much. but i wonder ("Celebrity Justice") how far the suit of ROLLING STONES VS. DECCA went...
TEMPmichaelhansen 2 years ago
It ended with Klein getting 2 million from the Stones, plus all the rights to their songs from 1963-69, with the understanding he would get nothing of their songs made after that.
steveconn 2 years ago
Jew with Jew lawyers, never happen.
kooodeal 2 years ago
Good point, Gomer.
steveconn 2 years ago
Goyim Pyle to you.
kooodeal 2 years ago
you're insane - just listen to the oldham orchestrated version, it's the SAME song as the verve version - the violins they add are the SAME as the melody already here.... the verve do NOTHING other than repeat inane lines like "I can't change" over an over, like drooling idiots.
hanniballecturer 2 years ago
I'm insane? I'm not hanibal! All the verve did was take a sample from an existing piece of music, this is done more often than not in hip hop. The only problem is that richard ashcroft never asked for permission. Like it or not, bittersweet symphony is a great song and is far different from this peice of music, in the lyrics, structure, guitar line, energy...everything. Fantastic piece of music in it's own right, and arguably not even the verves finest moment.
y2james 2 years ago
Did I say insane? I meant inane
hanniballecturer 2 years ago
Oh...thats much worse :(
y2james 2 years ago
how can i get this song????
i can't found this here in Brazil.
Could you e-mail it for me????
( tiagoalvesrj @ gmail . com )
THANKS !!!
thanks Michael
i already know the name of the album, but i can't get this song, and it doesn't have this album to buy here in Brazil.
i just want the track "The Last Time". I have to make a work with this song.
If you e-mail it to me i can pass a Bossa Nova song, or a Funk from my City Rio de Janeiro.
Papatinho 3 years ago
all I can tell you is
The Andrew Oldham Orchestra
Rolling Stones Songbook
or try on one of those BLOGSPOT that may have this for an MP3/ITUNES or try ITUNES. That is all I know...
TEMPmichaelhansen 3 years ago
WTF Verve added violins and lots of amazing tuff over the friggin sample from this 'masterpiece' or wtf it is...
BUT hey! no worries... new album by The Verve (Forth (2008) so they still can beat it
GO VERVE
noXplota 3 years ago
Of course it's gonna sound similar, it was sampled! Why do people say they stole the song? No one tells hip hop stars they stole a song ever time they sample something. Like hip hop, the Verve added their own stuff to the sample.
subrosaeffect1 3 years ago
I'm convinced that Verve fans are the biggest morons in the universe after reading all these comments. It's one thing to say that the Verve did a great job of covering and arranging Andrew Oldham's piece, but to say anything more means your IQ is in the double digits man. Just sing the Verve's lyrics over this and you'll see what I mean.
simoncowellscores 3 years ago
The Verve added their own lyrics, their own drums, their own bass, their own guitars, their own keyboards and altered the string hook. This was put on top of a 30 sec sample of the song you hear on this page. Also Jagger and Richards had nothing to do with writing this. David Wittaker arranged this instrumental version for Andrew Oldham. They only called it a Rolling Stones cover to sell more records in 1965. These are the facts, feel free to check them.
subrosaeffect1 3 years ago 8
@subrosaeffect1 Hey guess what? It doesn't matter because they sampled too much so they got sued! Their fault. And yes, The Stones' main riff to their song "The Last Time" is in this song. This IS a stones cover. And the dumbass band The Verve COPIED IT! sorry you verve fans can't handle it.
colelikeslespauls 1 year ago
Si bien es cierto The Verve imitó el rif de los Stons, pues prefiero Bitter Sweet Symphony por la impactante letra e interpretacion inigualable, Richard¨Ashcroft interpreta el tema magistralmente. Los stones tuvieron otros grandes temas, last time no fue uno de ellos precisamente.
mmarcopaz 3 years ago
Though it is certain The Verve imitated the rif of the Stons, therefore I prefer Bitter Sweet Symphony by the stunning letter and interpretacion inequable, Richard¨Ashcroft interprets the theme brilliantly. The stones had other large themes, last swindle was not one of them exactly.
TEMPmichaelhansen 3 years ago