That book should be burnt in mass. The reason that woman could see our future is because it was dictated to her by Rothschild. Which means this is all a plan. Myself, and my large family have been watching it play out for years. We are prepared for you. People are waking up to the reality of the corruption, and the lies. Thank god for the internet.
How about greedy bank directors getting undeserved bonuses which is the main cause for the financial crises and shitty capitalist governments that force the people to bail out the banks because of the lie that easy accessible loans were to blame.
I agwee with this vewy intewigent man. Even thow de-wegulation hewped peopow wike Madoff and Enwon wob the Amewican pubwic, it is the sowution to ouwr economic pwobwems. Wess Cowpowate oversite should wesult in mowe successfuw companies that do mowe than commit fwaud even thow histowy has pwoven otherwise.
"Hew-ow, I m a fwucking wetawd and Gawd stwuck me down wit dis upid fwucking woice sow yow know I am wetarwded."
It's ok Asshole, if the speech impediment was not enough, you 'speech' clinched the deal.
This cock suckers head should be kicked through the street like Mussolini's. Let's dig Rand up and kick her head around a bit, it should have SOME value after all!
The only people capable of feeling greed are those who want without the attendant neccesity of earning in order to own. Those who earn their money are not capable of greed[they are only capable of knowing that accomplishment is the prerequisite to ownership, regardless of what that ownship may on a personal basis entail.
Actually if the government hadn't spent money that other people earned and removed resources creative minds could have used, we’d most likely have a choice of compatible networking technologies, most being better than the Internet that they “invented.” But that is the fallacy of looking at only one side of government economic meddling. When breaking windows to help the window repair business, what other businesses have you hurt? What will never be created because of it?
It is too bad that Ayn hasn't seen how marketing has taken over business in today's society.
I would like to see how she would judge the current practices of big business today...
A product is no longer judged by the rational masses based on it's useful value, but more on how it allows one to compare themselves to their neighbours
So it turns out that libertarian gasbag, Ayn Rand, collected Social Security under her ex-husband's Social Security number and did so under an assumed name in order to hide her identity. What a total freakin poseur.
I asked someone about what she thought about the war in Libya. She said "The bible says this needs to happen." How may others "reason" like this? How many others follow that path of "reason" to reach an apocalyptic conclusion?
@mustang607 I think your lying. Ayn was an avid atheist and denounced any type of faith, she would never use the Bible as backing. Sorry to burst your bubble.
When I said "someone", I didn't mean Ayn Rand. I meant a random stranger that seemed to need and/or want the end of the world to happen so that her god can appear. Definitely NOT something Rand would approve of.
The speech starts with his right to his "reason"....and he comes to the conclusion that his "reasons" will cause violence...Maybe he should change his "reasoning?" if he see it will lead to riots....right?
Tell me, i want to know exactly how deep out of your ass you pulled that line and if special tools were involved in its extraction.
There has been nothing stopping Private Industry from putting a man on the moon in terms of government involvement. And yet their has never been a single private manned spaceflight. The only three entities which managed to muster the funds and resourses to do it were (GASP) the US, Soviet and Chinese GOVERMENTS.
Ayn Rand is nothing more than the Marx of the Right
@ImperatorZor I agree that Rand is radical and that Atlas Shrugged should not be taken literally but more as an allegory. Regarding space flight, I do not see the success of three states in doing so as proof that government is superior to free enterprize. With enough time, Nazi Germany would have been able to put a man on the Moon. More importantly, when you can extract a fifth or more of the GDP of countries, with hundreds of millions of people, you should be able to do something noteworthy.
@ImperatorZor because its a goddamn waste of money? what do you gain from putting a man on the moon? chocalate chip cookies? its just a dick wavering contest and the chinese nor the russians have put a man on the moon. Virgin group right now is investing a shitload in space tourism and can do NASA's job at a cheaper rate too. herp derp. btw you know where those govs get their materials to put a man on the moon? oh thats right private industries.
Virgin is still WAY OFF from putting someone into actual orbit. They can just go up for a few minutes before going back down. Commies still have a 50 year lead on private industry when it comes to putting a man into orbit.
The only reason why the soviets did not go to the moon was because Breznev was not interested in it. "Its a dirty beach" in his words.
@ImperatorZor Yeah thats the point... no fucking point sending a man into space just for dick wavering. Just a waste of taxpayers expense in the name of "science" I love space science and all but it's no point to go into space if theres no profit at all. vrigin still does shit A LOT FUCKING CHEAPER than NASA.
We could have put something on the moon in the 1970s, some actual fabrication equipment even which would make space development alot cheaper. Its just that the anti-tax morons said that this was a bad thing.
And think of all the things that we get from space development. TV, Navigation, Communications, weather monitoring. All that good stuff acheived because the government had more funds than the private sphere and did not need to worry about turning a short-term profit.
Foresight? They are greedy and immoral. The BEST minds? It amazes me how fucking stupid people are man. Nazi Germany was a good thing. If it were in fact real. Greatest hoax in history, with the exception of 911 of course. Only to be surpassed by your next plot. Your hand gestures are so transparent as well. Just another attempt to program the minds of people.
@ImperatorZor The government created none of what you mentioned...People did by means which they would have under any vehicle. You're a mindless sheep dog.
Without government resources, those people would have never been able to do these things. Let alone the fact that many of these men you ideoloized would have never been able to sign their name without public education. Tell me, How many men have private Industry put into orbit. Because the Soviets (and since you) did so in '61. Also look up Obninsk, Colossus Computer, ENIAC and the Hoover Dam.
The highest tribute to Ayn Rand, abundantly in evidence here, is that her critics must distort everything she stood for in order to attack her. She advocated reason, not force; the individual's rights to freedom of action, speech, and association; self-responsibility, NOT self-indulgence; and a live-and-let-live society in which each individual is treated as an END, not the MEANS of others' ends. How many critics would dare honestly state these ideas and say, " . . .and that's what I reject"
@ASTEagle you enjoying your homeless, your povety? Terrorism, Afganastan, Iran, North Korea, bomb making, Muslim, kill president, 9/11.... LOL your flagged by the CIA now LOL
2 countries, exactly the same, at least I am not in Denial.
@cje0 China's only booming since it's a developing country. learn economics. yeah right CIA cares about what people post on youtube. Unlike your government lol
What does Ayn think about the current sate where the government serves as the enforcement arm of the corporatist oligarchy? For example, if our company makes crappy lightbulbs that no one wants to buy,we simply have the government make it law that all purchase our inferiou light bulbs to ":save the environmen". or maybe we send in a swat team against the Amish for possession with intent to distribute raw milk and non GMO food.
The salary may be "modest", as you like to say...(although not really), but their pensions are exhorbitant, as I can attest from my own family experience. It is crippling the university systems. It is the pensions that are driving up tuition costs.
Rand's philosophy is that the best minds produce the wealth etc. without them society would crumble. They are an elite motivated by self interest. Do these follows accept that some of the best minds are found in universities? Do they accept that innovations, patents etc. are discovered there? If they do, do they accept that these people work in groups, that they are often subsidised by taxpayers and paid modest sums? Are they ALL motivated by self interest or the common good?
Another flake and why did he change the look of his ugly face. His ideas like Rands
are moronic and factually incorrect. I can take apart every one if his silly arguments. His knowledge of history and economics and food are silly and not even worth pissing on!
@beilanatube, no business ever forced you to do as much as an hour of work. You are free to make it on your own. The country is open for you to start any business you like.
The only bandit in this picture is the Gov't. They force you to work for them as much as your tax payment they force out of you.
Is it fun to be a complete dumb fcuk unable to see the world as it actually is?
@Vocalallusive - Business owns government at this point. You may want to look up monsanto and start reviewing the definition of monopoly. When you control natural resources at their base or have full control over an entire industry (such as licensing and accrediting bodies- in my case the ACGME), you can do anything you damned well please. If you are smart enough to enter "ZION", you will still be killed off by force from time to time as your numbers outgrow the desired limits.
@Vocalallusive. Admitted --> big government = bad. However, Rothchild once said - Give me power over the money and I care not who rules. If anyone is allowed to have total control over currency or natural resources, they OWN YOU. You will only be allowed to do and produce only what they allow you. They will out-compete you every time. If you don't understand that, you need a lesson in economics.
@beilanatube, now I see you're a complete dumb fcuk an I don't have any time for this. For the last time I give you some hints how to use your brain to think reason with. 1) How Society works today cannot be used as an argument against an alternative society that is different. 2) If one currency doesn't fit you, pay in a different one or make up a new currency. 3) In a free society everybody can harwest natural resouces and nobody owns anything but what they harwest. A fence is not enough to own
@Vocalallusive. Unless considering the "freeman on the land/redemption" route of getting to your utopia, you are losing me a bit on what your free society includes and how you plan to achieve it. If not considering this route, please let me know where you live so I can buy your house on a tax foreclosure sale after you try to pay with your new made up currency. If you are thinking about the freeman on the land route, you may be smarter than I give you credit. In that case, please send links.
@Vocalallusive it appears you lack much intelligence - perhaps a few you-tube videos this side of prime-time entertainment television. Your constant use of slang shows poor command of language, which is, unfortunately for you, a skill you will need to get yourself out of the mess society is in. I would love to say I will see you in hell, which you are creating for yourself, but I am doing my damnedest to make sure I don't wind up there myself.
@Vocalallusive - Congratulations - you are free to open a any business the bankers allow you to. What do you win - you can can pay the ever increasing merchant fees, bank fees, materials costs, accrediting body costs, architectural fees, bonding fees, required insurance fees. ALL PRIVATE BUSINESS LOBBIED PAYMENTS. You are now free to live where they want to, build with what they allow you, wear what they want to, breath the poisons they spray, and eat the poisons they put in almost all foods.
Ann Rand tells the business perspective - the largest businesses are in a position to buy policy and eventually enforce slave labor. This should be illegal. They legally work people to death and then leave them for dead without enough pay for food. This almost happened to me as a overworked medical resident - having a heart attack from dehydration at age 30. If big business can enforce their mind without thought, revolution through force will be the answer. Carl Marx was correct.
@beilanatube Have you ever considered why special interests, business and otherwise, so often seem to succeed in turning government programs (which were initially conceived to benefit the public) into programs which benefit them at the expense of the public?
You may want to look into the ideas of public choice theory for an answer to that question.
w/ romanticized & grand ideas that total self-interest is virtue and a few such natured men are the saviour victims. Atlas is “Lord of the Rings” of capitalism, but without the sorcery so she's not insane, but Rand logical & rational - in what realm?
HUMAN NATURE LOBOTOMY
The legit premise of individual rights and self-responsibility gets lost in Rand’s confused personal life & ideas, & she nonsensically lobotomizes human nature of its natural humanitarian bent
Of course big business has power to influence people; how could they not have ? It is their right to use their wealth for any agenda that they wish to advance so long as they don't use force or fraud. Individuals have their right to resist that influence. However, there are laws on the books that promote truth in advertizing as an example. Churches are a business and I don't agree with most of them but they have the right to tell me that I'm going to hell if I don't accept their religion..
@wikiporno Let us all know how successful you are and get back to us on that one because I should very much like to have a custom built automobile much cheaper then one built in a plant supported by the government.
@josephonwhidbey Who says you need to own an automobile? Say we need them to travel? people got around just fine before them, granted they didn't go as far as fast but they managed. There were more local communities and people really knew each other, they knew more about their neighbors than just rumors and hearsay from gossipers and haters. I agree with wiki in a sense, big business stifles innovation. For big business, advancements only come about if there is a profit to be made.
@neoverse It is clear that you do not support personal choice in matters of lifestyle nor in economics. Without profits human needs aren't met. In my business I demand to make a profit. When I work for my boss I value my paycheck more then my time working for him (a profit). He values my effort more then the money he pays me (a profit). Nothing of value is produced unless there is a profit to be made.
@josephonwhidbey My comment has nothing to do with lifestyle. I'm a firm believer in personal choice. I don't agree some people's lifestyle and shouldn't be forced by taxation or Go to support or accept it. What my comment is about is basically big business, as in Bill Gate or Ted Turner. They wield power to influence people to their depopulation agenda. If you don't believe they think this them my friend you've had your head in the sand. There is mountains of info on this topic out there.
This is an appeal to all of us who honor reason. Can we all now stop from feeding this rat (as a metafore) more cheese ? He has resorted to personal insults and has departed from all rational arguements. Let him be, let him have his opinions, leave him alone as I suspect he is alone ; but that is his right.. Can we all now go on and not have any further conversations with this individual ? I can't but help think that we all have better things to do then to talk to the likes of him .
The best way to deal with this eaodak character is to get him to explain his views. It shouldn't be too hard to get him to advocate institutionalized slavery or something like concentration camps.
There is no way anyone can get him to change his mind, but his toxic attitude and the tyrannical conclusions of his logic should get people who read his posts to avoid thinking like him.
The people who hold this phylosophy didn't give us a 14 trillion dollar national debt. Didn't give us a failed war on poverty, didn't give us a bankrupt social security system, didn't give us a currancy in the toilet. This phylosophy didn't create the energy crisis or high oil prices, isn't responsible for the high cost of health care or a failed war on drugs for that matter. All of the above mentioned ills and more are the creation of a government that has oversteped its function and purpose.
@josephonwhidbey "The people who hold this phylosophy didn't give us a 14 trillion dollar national debt." Ah, you mean like her disciple, Alan Greenspan....
@eaodak The people you mention in Atlas were reacting to an evil situation. They didn't cause it. Regarding Alan Greenspan I must tell you or rather teach you something you should have learned in school. It's congress that passes laws and spends money not the Federal Reserve (which should be abolished anyway). I will not speak with you again. You may have the last word on any subject of your choosing if that is what winds your clock.
@josephonwhidbey "The people you mention in Atlas were reacting to an evil situation." You mean that Rand 'rationalized' the violence and force her characters used?
Did not the other also react to what they saw as 'an evil situation'? See the problem with your position? How do we KNOW who the 'evil' one is, and who is 'reacting'? Perhaps it's more like, Randism = Might Makes Right. If I'm stronger, my definition of 'an evil situation' will trump another's......
@eaodak "You mean that Rand 'rationalized' the violence and force her characters used? "
If youre talking about people like Fransisco d'Aconia, then no. She rationalized the end result, just like one rationalizes that a starving child will steal a loaf of bread, on can rationalize his life as a byproduct of the world around him
@lancederalin1 "She rationalized the end result" You mean she rationalized that "Randism's ends justify the means, and that the means always determine the ends."
@eaodak You mean thats what you would like me to mean, but no. I mean that she shows what is the logical outcome. Ends justifying the means has absolutely nothing to do with d'Aconia. When a genius reduces himself to what even Rand calls a "worthless playboy", she is begging the question "Why would someone do this to oneself?"
@lancederalin1 "I mean that she shows what is the logical outcome." Wow, she must have been part alien... who else could manage all that 'logic' while being a 30 year speed freak???
"Ends justifying the means has absolutely nothing to do with d'Aconia." Did you read AS? Fransisco engaged in outright fraud in order to 'ruin' those he induced to invest in his mining venture, a venture that was designed at it's outset to defraud its investors and fail.....
@eaodak "Wow, she must have been part alien... who else could manage all that 'logic' while being a 30 year speed freak???"
Youre speaking as if logic is difficult to muster. Maybe for you, but based on your conduct, I can imagine why even the average person could be too smart for you.
@eaodak "Fransisco engaged in outright fraud in order to 'ruin' those he induced to invest in his mining venture,"
No. Fransisco invested his OWN money and resources into the mining venture, before the Mexican government nationalized it, took his property before realizing it is worthless. I mean, you being the joke you are should see that your argument is like saying "the poor thief was caught in a fraud scandal where the wealth he stole was faked. Poor guy!"
@eaodak He didn't force anyone to do anything. He merely said "Im investing in this area". People thought they can make some easy cash by tagging along, and even outright stealing from him. They are the ones who ought to be condemned-for trying to steal the wealth of others.
Of the three people you mentioned, only John Galt is the true Randian hero, and tell me, specifically, what acts of terror did he commit?
@eaodak Who is more the fool: the fool, or the fool who follows him? Youre the retarded scumbag for not realizing that those people who invested in said mines are accountable for their own mistakes. Fransisco is not accountable for their stupidity, only his own, assuming he has any.
And as expected, you were too dimwitted to answer my question, which I will repeat again, what acts of terror did John Galt commit?
@lancederalin1 I am not a Christian but I heard a radio preacher say that nobody ever won a person over to Christ by winning an arguement.. The conversation I had with that individual was without rancor or name calling and he is entitled to what opinion he holds. Besides, I believe he gets a charge out of this grandstanding that he is invested in. Let him be, enjoy your life and don't even think about persons such as him. Life is too short for this sort of flame war.
@josephonwhidbey What can I say..... When dealing with the Village Idiot, I can be very understanding. Dealing with a room full of them, I feel the need to remind the VI's that what they are saying is in fact, insane. Lest they think that a gathering of a small group of them is a sign of a 'movement' and not some aberration of nature.....
Good luck gentlemen in your angry manifestos. I look forward to exposing those as ridiculous too!
@lancederalin1 "Who is more the fool: the fool, or the fool who follows him?" Agreed, if Fransisco had 'honestly' invested in a venture and others jumped on that band wagon, then so be it. But again, and it's very sad that you are being willfully ignorant here, it was done to induce others into a fraud so that they, along with Fransisco, would lose their money. That is a crime.
Your answers are emblematic of why Randists are SUCH assholes....
@eaodak It was done to induce others to join? Are you a mind reader and can tell
his intent? Please, give me a break and try to be a little more logical in your arguments. What proof do you have this was a crime? What specific US law did he violate?
@lancederalin1 "It was done to induce others to join? Are you a mind reader and can tell his intent?'
Wow, you are obviously the product of a botched abortion.... Perhaps when mom stuck that hanger up her cooter, she should have scrambled you just a little longer....
@lancederalin1 "what acts of terror did John Galt commit?"
Galt was not happy enough to 'go away' and 'be free'. That would be what a sane person would do, flee from 'evil oppression'. Galt, infused with Rand's drug induced 'righteous anger' decided to 'punish' society by a 'silent strike'. Then like a good terrorist, he got on the radio and told the masses why the masses would be punished for 'their evil ways'.... So yes, a rank terrorist
@eaodak Galt, in his own words, granted society it's own wishes by removing those it wished wouldn't exist. He simply followed exactly what you said before: either obey or leave. He chose the latter but also chose to tell others of the sickness that encompasses people like you and let them choose whether or not to join him and start their own society. This is not terrorism. You're more the terrorist by publicly calling on your dark vision to be forced on people.
@lancederalin1 "Galt, in his own words, granted society it's own wishes by removing those it wished wouldn't exist."
Here you go asshole, right back at you.
How do you know what those people wanted? How could Galt the Terrorist know? How could Rand KNOW? Oh yeah, Rand knew what ALL the people in her fiction wanted.... BECAUSE IT WAS ALL FICTION!
Please, go off somewhere and shoot yourself in the face. No one will miss you.
@eaodak My God, I feel like Im talking to a three year old. I know because those people chose to follow Galt instead of the behind of people such as yourself. Thats a good indication-when people make a choice, they reveal what they want
@lancederalin1 "My God, I feel like Im talking to a three year old. I know because those people chose to follow Galt instead of the behind of people such as yourself. Thats a good indication-when people make a choice, they reveal what they want "
@lancederalin1 "Your behaving so pathetically Im thinking you aren't even being serious"
Half serious.... See once I got a bead and realized that I was 'debating' with One True Faither's, I realized that rational debate is pointless with you people. What is important is that FACTS like Randism as a cult, Rand as a notorious drug user and speed freak are generally known....
@lancederalin1 "He simply followed exactly what you said before: either obey or leave. He chose the latter but also chose to tell others of the sickness that encompasses people like you and let them choose whether or not to join him and start their own society"
He became a terrorist for all things you say after the word, 'but'.
"You're more the terrorist by publicly calling on your dark vision to be forced on people." I'm a terrorist? What pray tell, you walking abortion, is my 'dark vision'?
@eaodak "He became a terrorist for all things you say after the word, 'but'"
Ok, so youre NOT a believer in free speech? That's fine, because not only do you not prove anything other than your retardation, but you also answer your own question.
@lancederalin1 "Ok, so youre NOT a believer in free speech?" Oh god.... Galt was FREE to go away. Once he decided to teach the rest of the people 'a lesson' he became a terrorist. He could have much more easily gone off and tried to build his own society with the handful of followers he had. No, that was not enough, Galt wanted revenge for the 'injustice' he felt. So Ragnar became a pirate, and Fransisco became a fraudster, all to further their terrorism.
@eaodak Like I said, you have given up your use of reason, so anything that disagrees with you is terrorism. John Galt says "THUS destroyed your world". Thus is a causal world to indicate cause and effect. Through taking away all those oppressed by our society, our world crumbles. Taking away the oppressed, sounds more like liberation
@lancederalin1 "Like I said, you have given up your use of reason, so anything that disagrees with you is terrorism."
Ah, I have given up reason have I? Like any terrorist, Galt was just 'righting a wrong'.... Rand was a pathetic ideologue, and you are even more pathetic for buying into it...
It's rich that the victimizers have tried to recast themselves as the 'victims'. You are absolutely INSANE!
@eaodak Its been my experience that a person who resorts to insults has no logical argument to give. And how do you derive fun out of being humiliated? I've practically been beating you to a pulp
@lancederalin1 Read my worlds carefully. I said I would call it a day, which means I would only stop for that one day. I also said that I could debate you through video chat or not at all. Obviously with your ranting, you chose to not debate at all, but merely continue in your drivel. This shows how low your reading skills are.
But your insane demand to make me stop speaks volumes on how desperate you are over getting yourself out of your hole
@lancederalin1 "You can either debate me through video chat or not at all."
All kidding aside, the real reason I have zero desire to 'video chat' with you....
I cannot stomach looking at vid of a loser in his parents basement prattle on in real time about his 'oppression' and doing nothing about it. Go back to your manifesto, the psychiatrists will need it to complete your profile after your impending arrest....
@eaodak "I cannot stomach looking at vid of a loser in his parents basement prattle on in real time about his 'oppression' and doing nothing about it. Go back to your manifesto, the psychiatrists will need it to complete your profile after your impending arrest...."
Just as I thought. Here we have it, another coward having a psychotic breakdown. I think I'll call it a day-you've had enough, I'll let you lead yourself to oblivion.
@eaodak Do you have an obsession or something? It appears all of your recent comments have been solely on topics relating to Objectivism and Atlas Shrugged. Its as though you fear your dark vision is being more and more exposed as the fallacy and obsolete, while more and more people recognize Objectivism for its merits
@eaodak If I was trying to read your mind I wouldn't bother asking you. However, it was a rhetorical question-Im merely stating how you realize your position has no substance, so in anger you are lashing out against objectivism, which more and more is taking root in the minds of people
@lancederalin1 "so in anger you are lashing out against objectivism, which more and more is taking root in the minds of people"
Ah the World Wide Web, where once you would just have been the 'town crazy'. "Look kids, that's Crazy Lance again!", now you can 'connect' with other 'Town Crazies' and feel that you're not all alone. Believe me, you are ALL ALONE.
@eaodak If I am all alone, why is it that I only see you on the one side, and hundreds of people on mine? Youre going through the old "All of you are crazy, but not me, NOT ME!!". This is supposed to take place when you are in a straightjacket in some mental institution, but I guess you are a little premature.
@eaodak I want to see if you have any balls or are you just bluffing. I challenge you to a debate on Stickam. If you reject, this proves you are a coward and your ideas are empty.
@lancederalin1 "I want to see if you have any balls or are you just bluffing."
Bluffing about what?
I have no idea what 'Stickam' is... Is that some homoerotic website you run?
We are not 'debating', you are a fanatic and I am ridiculing you. I have zero, read it again zero, interest in 'changing your mind'. Think what you care to think, I just love to see such rampant sociopathy....
@lancederalin1 "And you haven't once successufly rebuffed my views "
In your opinion you mean... In my opinion, you are a joke from your first moronic post. How do I explain to an idiot that they are indeed an idiot? How do I explain to a fanatic, that their ideas are fanatical? How do I explain to a cultist that they are part of a cult?
@eaodak Well, I don't give a flying fuck about your opinions. Your mind has been warped to the point that reality is no longer real, and facts no longer hold any substance. At that point, you have destroyed yourself.
Why is it that all the social-freaks get attracted to this angry ideology? Were you all beaten up too often on the playground? Revenge time?
Sad pathetic little people. Perhaps there is a God, because if there is, he struck this babbling loser down with a speech impediment to let the rest of us know that only shit comes out of his mouth.
'Doktor' indeed LOLOL "Hew wuh! I'ye am sow wetawded!"
@eaodak Angry ideology ? I think not. It's the phylosophy of live and let live. It's the ideal of individual liberty coupled with that of personal responsibility. You seem to have a problem with that. What is it about free choice that bothers you ? Do you wish to control other people and make them conform to your way thinking ? Let me tell you this: you will be alot happier once you accept the free choices of others.
@josephonwhidbey "It's the phylosophy of live and let live. It's the ideal of individual liberty coupled with that of personal responsibility."
Joseph, Joseph, Joseph.... Randism is an ideology of control. It seeks to place the reins of society in the hands of her 'Creators' by unjustly overestimating these people's contributions, while at the same time devaluing everyone else's contribution. This is an ideological choice, not a natural law.
@eaodak Where ever did you get your information ? Rand was an advocate of the free market and as such her "Creators" as you call them wouldn't have control. Moreover, she was steadfastly against any form of violance or threat thereof. Governments operate on the opposite principal. As to your comment associated with unrestrained freedom, the only restraint should be on our ability to harm others. Now as to your comment regarding Randism: where in her writing does she place control with anybody ?
@josephonwhidbey "Where ever did you get your information ? Rand was an advocate of the free market and as such her "Creators" as you call them wouldn't have control." You mean aside from reading what Rand had to say? She expressly called those she deemed as productive as her 'Creators'.
@josephonwhidbey "Moreover, she was steadfastly against any form of violance or threat thereof." Again, I read her book. And despite pleas to the contrary, she was unable to keep this idea consistent in her own contrived narrative:
Ragnar was a violent and open pirate.
Fransisco was a criminal fraudster
Galt was a rank terrorist who was not happy to slink away, no he planned on 'punishing' the rest of the population...
@josephonwhidbey "Do you wish to control other people and make them conform to your way thinking ? "
Hyperbole nonsense. You do not have unrestrained freedom when you CHOOSE to live within a society. If you cannot understand that, I cannot explain the natural law of gravity to you either, but the principle is as plain.
Rand was a sociopathic drug addict and cult leader.
Her 'heroes' are all criminals.
AND just to make it richer, she wrote about child rapist and murderer, William Hickman,
In her journal circa 1928 Rand quoted the statement, "What is good for me is right," a credo attributed to a prominent figure of the day, William Edward Hickman. Her response was enthusiastic. "The best and strongest expression of a real man's psychology I have heard," she exulted. -Journals of Ayn Rand p21-22
Rand was a sociopathic drug addict and cult leader.
Her 'heroes' are all criminals.
AND just to make it richer, she wrote about child rapist and murderer, William Hickman,
In her journal circa 1928 Rand quoted the statement, "What is good for me is right," a credo attributed to a prominent figure of the day, William Edward Hickman. Her response was enthusiastic. "The best and strongest expression of a real man's psychology I have heard," she exulted. -Journals of Ayn Rand p21-22
Unbelievable how many nutcases take this ridiculous woman and her silly ideas seriously. The idea that greed is good is a provocative one and perhaps worth considering in a climate of overbearing religiosity purely as a means of understanding the human psyche and its many contradictory nuances but to build a system on this premise is fu****g nuts. We are currently learning just how nuts!
At about 5:30 he talks about the fed causing problems. Greenspan is a huge Rand devotee. She stood by him at one of his earlier swearing ins. His promotion of financial deregulation led to the derivative debacle. At the congressional hearings he said he did not believe that people in finance would do what they did that caused the derivative. That is the problem with pure Rand philosophy. Without some restraint business will do unscrupulous things. The problem with any philosophy is human nature.
At about 3:50 he mentions intellectuals promoting faith over reason. I haven't heard any intellectuals doing that. Quite the opposite. Most organized crime uses Rands philosophy. They are not altruistic. They exercise their own selfish reason. Business is not a profoundly moral undertaking. The robber barons, Enron, savings and loan scandal, Madoff, Milken, the pollution that continued anabated until laws amd regulations curtailed it, the tobacco industry, etc
As far as I know tobacco still does harm when abused regardless of any government imposed regulation. Tobacco distributors profit heftily from such regulation. As did the real estate brokers in the recent housing bubble. Not the owners of real estate necessarily, but the brokers.
Your misinformed notion that business, the proffering of products or services, is necessarily an organized taking (criminal) is laughable.
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Hewowh, I'm an idiotic Youtube moron who derides people with speech impediments despite the fact that they are obviously mentally superior to me, but I have an inferiority complex so I have to compensate for my teeny weeny brain... and penis.
As for "going Galt", I would be beyond ecstatic if filthy rich jerks like Tony Hayward (BP), Lloyd Blankfein (Goldman Sachs), Pete Petersen (Hell) all fucked off and never came back!
So...if denouncing and persecuting the Wall Street Investment Bankers will make them "Go Galt" - then sign me up! Nothing would make me happier than to see Wall Street go on strike. Please bankers...Go on Strike!
Hey retard at the AynRandInstitute, get a real fucking job and stop being a moocher-propagandist adding zero value to society. Your lungs are using air better spent on a street person....
That book should be burnt in mass. The reason that woman could see our future is because it was dictated to her by Rothschild. Which means this is all a plan. Myself, and my large family have been watching it play out for years. We are prepared for you. People are waking up to the reality of the corruption, and the lies. Thank god for the internet.
Hobgoblit 2 months ago in playlist Atlas shrugged 2
How about greedy bank directors getting undeserved bonuses which is the main cause for the financial crises and shitty capitalist governments that force the people to bail out the banks because of the lie that easy accessible loans were to blame.
Mayer200 3 months ago
I agwee with this vewy intewigent man. Even thow de-wegulation hewped peopow wike Madoff and Enwon wob the Amewican pubwic, it is the sowution to ouwr economic pwobwems. Wess Cowpowate oversite should wesult in mowe successfuw companies that do mowe than commit fwaud even thow histowy has pwoven otherwise.
mkrivell1 3 months ago
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She was dating Rothschild when she wrote this book.
No wonder it came true.
AustralianAllTheWay 4 months ago
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"Hew-ow, I m a fwucking wetawd and Gawd stwuck me down wit dis upid fwucking woice sow yow know I am wetarwded."
It's ok Asshole, if the speech impediment was not enough, you 'speech' clinched the deal.
This cock suckers head should be kicked through the street like Mussolini's. Let's dig Rand up and kick her head around a bit, it should have SOME value after all!
WhyMeMoFo 6 months ago
The only people capable of feeling greed are those who want without the attendant neccesity of earning in order to own. Those who earn their money are not capable of greed[they are only capable of knowing that accomplishment is the prerequisite to ownership, regardless of what that ownship may on a personal basis entail.
cosg9531 8 months ago
dr brook's head is all distorted. why isn;t this fixed?
kasyapa 8 months ago
Actually if the government hadn't spent money that other people earned and removed resources creative minds could have used, we’d most likely have a choice of compatible networking technologies, most being better than the Internet that they “invented.” But that is the fallacy of looking at only one side of government economic meddling. When breaking windows to help the window repair business, what other businesses have you hurt? What will never be created because of it?
Solverwiz 8 months ago 7
The more I see how the world is "evolving" the more I see Rand was right.
mustang607 8 months ago 3
HEWWO! Im the diwectoe of de Ayn Wan Institute for skinnyheads!
OCLT88 9 months ago
It is too bad that Ayn hasn't seen how marketing has taken over business in today's society.
I would like to see how she would judge the current practices of big business today...
A product is no longer judged by the rational masses based on it's useful value, but more on how it allows one to compare themselves to their neighbours
scottttym 9 months ago
This guys got no ears
cgseggal 9 months ago 2
Atlas Shrugged is KING : )
KeithMcElwain 9 months ago 2
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So it turns out that libertarian gasbag, Ayn Rand, collected Social Security under her ex-husband's Social Security number and did so under an assumed name in order to hide her identity. What a total freakin poseur.
AtlasShruggery 9 months ago
Didn't Ayn Rand apply for Medicare?
Spiderzumbie 9 months ago
@Spiderzumbie Medicare is and will always show, that we as Americans are a compassionate society. That is what you meant, right ?
Auggie56 9 months ago
@Spiderzumbie Slaves took food from their masters, despite disapproving of it. So what's your point?
NativeNewMexican 9 months ago
Atwas Shwugged.
cakeycaketube 9 months ago
I asked someone about what she thought about the war in Libya. She said "The bible says this needs to happen." How may others "reason" like this? How many others follow that path of "reason" to reach an apocalyptic conclusion?
mustang607 9 months ago
@mustang607 I think your lying. Ayn was an avid atheist and denounced any type of faith, she would never use the Bible as backing. Sorry to burst your bubble.
turn2463dp 9 months ago 2
@turn2463dp
When I said "someone", I didn't mean Ayn Rand. I meant a random stranger that seemed to need and/or want the end of the world to happen so that her god can appear. Definitely NOT something Rand would approve of.
mustang607 8 months ago
The speech starts with his right to his "reason"....and he comes to the conclusion that his "reasons" will cause violence...Maybe he should change his "reasoning?" if he see it will lead to riots....right?
joraejean 10 months ago
"The man who lets a leader prescribe his course is a wreck being towed to the scrap heap"-Ayn Rand
notbestfriends 11 months ago 2
So everyone who draws a salary is headed to a scrap heap then?
ImperatorZor 10 months ago
Tell me, i want to know exactly how deep out of your ass you pulled that line and if special tools were involved in its extraction.
There has been nothing stopping Private Industry from putting a man on the moon in terms of government involvement. And yet their has never been a single private manned spaceflight. The only three entities which managed to muster the funds and resourses to do it were (GASP) the US, Soviet and Chinese GOVERMENTS.
Ayn Rand is nothing more than the Marx of the Right
ImperatorZor 11 months ago
@ImperatorZor I agree that Rand is radical and that Atlas Shrugged should not be taken literally but more as an allegory. Regarding space flight, I do not see the success of three states in doing so as proof that government is superior to free enterprize. With enough time, Nazi Germany would have been able to put a man on the Moon. More importantly, when you can extract a fifth or more of the GDP of countries, with hundreds of millions of people, you should be able to do something noteworthy.
Rexanglorum 11 months ago
@ImperatorZor because its a goddamn waste of money? what do you gain from putting a man on the moon? chocalate chip cookies? its just a dick wavering contest and the chinese nor the russians have put a man on the moon. Virgin group right now is investing a shitload in space tourism and can do NASA's job at a cheaper rate too. herp derp. btw you know where those govs get their materials to put a man on the moon? oh thats right private industries.
ASTEagle 10 months ago
Virgin is still WAY OFF from putting someone into actual orbit. They can just go up for a few minutes before going back down. Commies still have a 50 year lead on private industry when it comes to putting a man into orbit.
The only reason why the soviets did not go to the moon was because Breznev was not interested in it. "Its a dirty beach" in his words.
ImperatorZor 10 months ago
@ImperatorZor Yeah thats the point... no fucking point sending a man into space just for dick wavering. Just a waste of taxpayers expense in the name of "science" I love space science and all but it's no point to go into space if theres no profit at all. vrigin still does shit A LOT FUCKING CHEAPER than NASA.
ASTEagle 10 months ago 2
We could have put something on the moon in the 1970s, some actual fabrication equipment even which would make space development alot cheaper. Its just that the anti-tax morons said that this was a bad thing.
And think of all the things that we get from space development. TV, Navigation, Communications, weather monitoring. All that good stuff acheived because the government had more funds than the private sphere and did not need to worry about turning a short-term profit.
ImperatorZor 10 months ago
@ImperatorZor LoL I think the Ruskies still have the record for men lost in space.
Auggie56 9 months ago
Foresight? They are greedy and immoral. The BEST minds? It amazes me how fucking stupid people are man. Nazi Germany was a good thing. If it were in fact real. Greatest hoax in history, with the exception of 911 of course. Only to be surpassed by your next plot. Your hand gestures are so transparent as well. Just another attempt to program the minds of people.
norfids 11 months ago
@norfids Take your meds or the white coats are coming for you.
equsnarnd 11 months ago
Things developed by the Government Programs...
-Space Travel (and by extension sattilite communication, weather forcasting and other such things)
-Atomic Power
-The Computer
-The Internet
This is leaving aside all the developments creatted children who would never have learned to read if it was not for state funded public Education.
ImperatorZor 11 months ago
@ImperatorZor The government created none of what you mentioned...People did by means which they would have under any vehicle. You're a mindless sheep dog.
Stunr99 11 months ago 11
Without government resources, those people would have never been able to do these things. Let alone the fact that many of these men you ideoloized would have never been able to sign their name without public education. Tell me, How many men have private Industry put into orbit. Because the Soviets (and since you) did so in '61. Also look up Obninsk, Colossus Computer, ENIAC and the Hoover Dam.
ImperatorZor 11 months ago
@ImperatorZor Wrong again......Even Neil Armstrong says we would be at Mars by now if it were in the hands of private industry.
Stunr99 11 months ago 2
The highest tribute to Ayn Rand, abundantly in evidence here, is that her critics must distort everything she stood for in order to attack her. She advocated reason, not force; the individual's rights to freedom of action, speech, and association; self-responsibility, NOT self-indulgence; and a live-and-let-live society in which each individual is treated as an END, not the MEANS of others' ends. How many critics would dare honestly state these ideas and say, " . . .and that's what I reject"
notbestfriends 11 months ago 17
Ummm.... China... right now is proof that big government doesnt mean financial disaster.
But I live in China, and you guys can keep thinking that way, doesnt bother us.
cje0 11 months ago
@cje0 Of course it hasn't collapsed yet, slavery props it up.
chefshitpiece 11 months ago 2
@cje0 hahahahahahaha.......omg!!!! China throws baby girls in the streets at the infant state, and keep their peoples nearly at slave wage......
Stunr99 11 months ago
@cje0 you enjoying your pollution and state censorship? TAIWAN TIBET TIANMENN SQUARE CHINA TERRIBLE. now youre flagged by the chinese gov loooooooool
ASTEagle 10 months ago
@ASTEagle you enjoying your homeless, your povety? Terrorism, Afganastan, Iran, North Korea, bomb making, Muslim, kill president, 9/11.... LOL your flagged by the CIA now LOL
2 countries, exactly the same, at least I am not in Denial.
cje0 5 months ago
@cje0 China's only booming since it's a developing country. learn economics. yeah right CIA cares about what people post on youtube. Unlike your government lol
ASTEagle 5 months ago
What does Ayn think about the current sate where the government serves as the enforcement arm of the corporatist oligarchy? For example, if our company makes crappy lightbulbs that no one wants to buy,we simply have the government make it law that all purchase our inferiou light bulbs to ":save the environmen". or maybe we send in a swat team against the Amish for possession with intent to distribute raw milk and non GMO food.
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disclosurenow9 11 months ago
american need to understand....business is moral lol funny
what was that other work of fiction that had a great many followers hmm Scientology
friedegg2008 11 months ago
The salary may be "modest", as you like to say...(although not really), but their pensions are exhorbitant, as I can attest from my own family experience. It is crippling the university systems. It is the pensions that are driving up tuition costs.
PatriciaPlatt 11 months ago
Rand's philosophy is that the best minds produce the wealth etc. without them society would crumble. They are an elite motivated by self interest. Do these follows accept that some of the best minds are found in universities? Do they accept that innovations, patents etc. are discovered there? If they do, do they accept that these people work in groups, that they are often subsidised by taxpayers and paid modest sums? Are they ALL motivated by self interest or the common good?
shahideurope 11 months ago
Another flake and why did he change the look of his ugly face. His ideas like Rands
are moronic and factually incorrect. I can take apart every one if his silly arguments. His knowledge of history and economics and food are silly and not even worth pissing on!
duaneburnett 1 year ago
@beilanatube, no business ever forced you to do as much as an hour of work. You are free to make it on your own. The country is open for you to start any business you like.
The only bandit in this picture is the Gov't. They force you to work for them as much as your tax payment they force out of you.
Is it fun to be a complete dumb fcuk unable to see the world as it actually is?
Vocalallusive 1 year ago
@Vocalallusive You should really be a little bit more kind to the dumb fuck.
josephonwhidbey 1 year ago
@Vocalallusive - Business owns government at this point. You may want to look up monsanto and start reviewing the definition of monopoly. When you control natural resources at their base or have full control over an entire industry (such as licensing and accrediting bodies- in my case the ACGME), you can do anything you damned well please. If you are smart enough to enter "ZION", you will still be killed off by force from time to time as your numbers outgrow the desired limits.
beilanatube 1 year ago
@beilanatube, it's irrelevant who owns the Gov't when I allready did admit Gov't is the crook.
When finish Bandit Gov't I'm free to open any business I like periode
It's the Gov't who limit my freedom. Not any banks. Backs got no LAW power over me, neither now nor without Gov't.
Vocalallusive 1 year ago
@Vocalallusive. Admitted --> big government = bad. However, Rothchild once said - Give me power over the money and I care not who rules. If anyone is allowed to have total control over currency or natural resources, they OWN YOU. You will only be allowed to do and produce only what they allow you. They will out-compete you every time. If you don't understand that, you need a lesson in economics.
beilanatube 1 year ago
@beilanatube, now I see you're a complete dumb fcuk an I don't have any time for this. For the last time I give you some hints how to use your brain to think reason with. 1) How Society works today cannot be used as an argument against an alternative society that is different. 2) If one currency doesn't fit you, pay in a different one or make up a new currency. 3) In a free society everybody can harwest natural resouces and nobody owns anything but what they harwest. A fence is not enough to own
Vocalallusive 1 year ago
@Vocalallusive. Unless considering the "freeman on the land/redemption" route of getting to your utopia, you are losing me a bit on what your free society includes and how you plan to achieve it. If not considering this route, please let me know where you live so I can buy your house on a tax foreclosure sale after you try to pay with your new made up currency. If you are thinking about the freeman on the land route, you may be smarter than I give you credit. In that case, please send links.
beilanatube 1 year ago
@beilanatube, I expected such an immature response from you, dumb fcuk. bye bye *wave*
Vocalallusive 1 year ago
@Vocalallusive it appears you lack much intelligence - perhaps a few you-tube videos this side of prime-time entertainment television. Your constant use of slang shows poor command of language, which is, unfortunately for you, a skill you will need to get yourself out of the mess society is in. I would love to say I will see you in hell, which you are creating for yourself, but I am doing my damnedest to make sure I don't wind up there myself.
Happy Holidays...
beilanatube 1 year ago
@beilanatube, second chance answering to my objections,. but no sign of intelligent reply. Is it fun to be a dumb fcuk?
Vocalallusive 1 year ago
@Vocalallusive - Congratulations - you are free to open a any business the bankers allow you to. What do you win - you can can pay the ever increasing merchant fees, bank fees, materials costs, accrediting body costs, architectural fees, bonding fees, required insurance fees. ALL PRIVATE BUSINESS LOBBIED PAYMENTS. You are now free to live where they want to, build with what they allow you, wear what they want to, breath the poisons they spray, and eat the poisons they put in almost all foods.
beilanatube 1 year ago
Ann Rand tells the business perspective - the largest businesses are in a position to buy policy and eventually enforce slave labor. This should be illegal. They legally work people to death and then leave them for dead without enough pay for food. This almost happened to me as a overworked medical resident - having a heart attack from dehydration at age 30. If big business can enforce their mind without thought, revolution through force will be the answer. Carl Marx was correct.
beilanatube 1 year ago
@beilanatube Have you ever considered why special interests, business and otherwise, so often seem to succeed in turning government programs (which were initially conceived to benefit the public) into programs which benefit them at the expense of the public?
You may want to look into the ideas of public choice theory for an answer to that question.
studentofsmith 1 year ago
@studentofsmith I will check it out. Thanks.
beilanatube 1 year ago
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ATLAS SHRUGGED DELUSIONAL NOVEL
w/ romanticized & grand ideas that total self-interest is virtue and a few such natured men are the saviour victims. Atlas is “Lord of the Rings” of capitalism, but without the sorcery so she's not insane, but Rand logical & rational - in what realm?
HUMAN NATURE LOBOTOMY
The legit premise of individual rights and self-responsibility gets lost in Rand’s confused personal life & ideas, & she nonsensically lobotomizes human nature of its natural humanitarian bent
artistphilosopher 1 year ago
Of course big business has power to influence people; how could they not have ? It is their right to use their wealth for any agenda that they wish to advance so long as they don't use force or fraud. Individuals have their right to resist that influence. However, there are laws on the books that promote truth in advertizing as an example. Churches are a business and I don't agree with most of them but they have the right to tell me that I'm going to hell if I don't accept their religion..
josephonwhidbey 1 year ago
Big business is bad for the same reason as big government.
wikiporno 1 year ago
@wikiporno So how is small business going to raise the capital in order to build a factory so you can own an automobile ?
josephonwhidbey 1 year ago
@josephonwhidbey Who needs a facotry when you can custom build?
wikiporno 1 year ago
@wikiporno Let us all know how successful you are and get back to us on that one because I should very much like to have a custom built automobile much cheaper then one built in a plant supported by the government.
josephonwhidbey 1 year ago
@josephonwhidbey Who says you need to own an automobile? Say we need them to travel? people got around just fine before them, granted they didn't go as far as fast but they managed. There were more local communities and people really knew each other, they knew more about their neighbors than just rumors and hearsay from gossipers and haters. I agree with wiki in a sense, big business stifles innovation. For big business, advancements only come about if there is a profit to be made.
neoverse 1 year ago
@neoverse It is clear that you do not support personal choice in matters of lifestyle nor in economics. Without profits human needs aren't met. In my business I demand to make a profit. When I work for my boss I value my paycheck more then my time working for him (a profit). He values my effort more then the money he pays me (a profit). Nothing of value is produced unless there is a profit to be made.
josephonwhidbey 1 year ago 2
@josephonwhidbey My comment has nothing to do with lifestyle. I'm a firm believer in personal choice. I don't agree some people's lifestyle and shouldn't be forced by taxation or Go to support or accept it. What my comment is about is basically big business, as in Bill Gate or Ted Turner. They wield power to influence people to their depopulation agenda. If you don't believe they think this them my friend you've had your head in the sand. There is mountains of info on this topic out there.
neoverse 1 year ago
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im 12 years old and what is this?
alphaotakux 1 year ago
Oh my god here comes another one !
josephonwhidbey 1 year ago
It's a Satanic blueprint...plenty of messages hidden in plain sight...the global elite loooooove this book.
FORMETOKNOWONLY 1 year ago
@FORMETOKNOWONLY shat up nut
drusha1 1 year ago
This is an appeal to all of us who honor reason. Can we all now stop from feeding this rat (as a metafore) more cheese ? He has resorted to personal insults and has departed from all rational arguements. Let him be, let him have his opinions, leave him alone as I suspect he is alone ; but that is his right.. Can we all now go on and not have any further conversations with this individual ? I can't but help think that we all have better things to do then to talk to the likes of him .
josephonwhidbey 1 year ago
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@josephonwhidbey Oh Joe, blow it out your ass. You people are nothing more than vile scum bags and I enjoy throwing rocks at the likes of you.
eaodak 1 year ago
Is there enough money collected yet to get this asshole speech lessons?!?!
eaodak 1 year ago
The best way to deal with this eaodak character is to get him to explain his views. It shouldn't be too hard to get him to advocate institutionalized slavery or something like concentration camps.
There is no way anyone can get him to change his mind, but his toxic attitude and the tyrannical conclusions of his logic should get people who read his posts to avoid thinking like him.
galaktar 1 year ago
The people who hold this phylosophy didn't give us a 14 trillion dollar national debt. Didn't give us a failed war on poverty, didn't give us a bankrupt social security system, didn't give us a currancy in the toilet. This phylosophy didn't create the energy crisis or high oil prices, isn't responsible for the high cost of health care or a failed war on drugs for that matter. All of the above mentioned ills and more are the creation of a government that has oversteped its function and purpose.
josephonwhidbey 1 year ago
@josephonwhidbey "The people who hold this phylosophy didn't give us a 14 trillion dollar national debt." Ah, you mean like her disciple, Alan Greenspan....
eaodak 1 year ago
@eaodak The people you mention in Atlas were reacting to an evil situation. They didn't cause it. Regarding Alan Greenspan I must tell you or rather teach you something you should have learned in school. It's congress that passes laws and spends money not the Federal Reserve (which should be abolished anyway). I will not speak with you again. You may have the last word on any subject of your choosing if that is what winds your clock.
josephonwhidbey 1 year ago
@josephonwhidbey "The people you mention in Atlas were reacting to an evil situation." You mean that Rand 'rationalized' the violence and force her characters used?
Did not the other also react to what they saw as 'an evil situation'? See the problem with your position? How do we KNOW who the 'evil' one is, and who is 'reacting'? Perhaps it's more like, Randism = Might Makes Right. If I'm stronger, my definition of 'an evil situation' will trump another's......
eaodak 1 year ago
@eaodak "You mean that Rand 'rationalized' the violence and force her characters used? "
If youre talking about people like Fransisco d'Aconia, then no. She rationalized the end result, just like one rationalizes that a starving child will steal a loaf of bread, on can rationalize his life as a byproduct of the world around him
lancederalin1 1 year ago
@lancederalin1 "She rationalized the end result" You mean she rationalized that "Randism's ends justify the means, and that the means always determine the ends."
eaodak 1 year ago
@eaodak You mean thats what you would like me to mean, but no. I mean that she shows what is the logical outcome. Ends justifying the means has absolutely nothing to do with d'Aconia. When a genius reduces himself to what even Rand calls a "worthless playboy", she is begging the question "Why would someone do this to oneself?"
lancederalin1 1 year ago
@lancederalin1 "I mean that she shows what is the logical outcome." Wow, she must have been part alien... who else could manage all that 'logic' while being a 30 year speed freak???
"Ends justifying the means has absolutely nothing to do with d'Aconia." Did you read AS? Fransisco engaged in outright fraud in order to 'ruin' those he induced to invest in his mining venture, a venture that was designed at it's outset to defraud its investors and fail.....
Ragnar & Galt? Got nuthin there?
eaodak 1 year ago
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@eaodak "Wow, she must have been part alien... who else could manage all that 'logic' while being a 30 year speed freak???"
Youre speaking as if logic is difficult to muster. Maybe for you, but based on your conduct, I can imagine why even the average person could be too smart for you.
lancederalin1 1 year ago
@eaodak "Fransisco engaged in outright fraud in order to 'ruin' those he induced to invest in his mining venture,"
No. Fransisco invested his OWN money and resources into the mining venture, before the Mexican government nationalized it, took his property before realizing it is worthless. I mean, you being the joke you are should see that your argument is like saying "the poor thief was caught in a fraud scandal where the wealth he stole was faked. Poor guy!"
lancederalin1 1 year ago
@lancederalin1 Dumb ass, he induced other investors in order to defraud them....
Again, what of Ragnar's outright piracy and Galt's terrorism???
How do you rationalize them?
Fucking dolt....
eaodak 1 year ago
@eaodak He didn't force anyone to do anything. He merely said "Im investing in this area". People thought they can make some easy cash by tagging along, and even outright stealing from him. They are the ones who ought to be condemned-for trying to steal the wealth of others.
Of the three people you mentioned, only John Galt is the true Randian hero, and tell me, specifically, what acts of terror did he commit?
Youre the damned retard
lancederalin1 1 year ago
@lancederalin1 "He didn't force anyone to do anything. He merely said "Im investing in this area"." Ok, now you're just talking like an asshole....
He 'induced' them to invest in order to have them lose money. Stop being such a fucking worm.... But what to expect from a Randist.... Scum bag.
eaodak 1 year ago
@eaodak Who is more the fool: the fool, or the fool who follows him? Youre the retarded scumbag for not realizing that those people who invested in said mines are accountable for their own mistakes. Fransisco is not accountable for their stupidity, only his own, assuming he has any.
And as expected, you were too dimwitted to answer my question, which I will repeat again, what acts of terror did John Galt commit?
lancederalin1 1 year ago
@lancederalin1 I am not a Christian but I heard a radio preacher say that nobody ever won a person over to Christ by winning an arguement.. The conversation I had with that individual was without rancor or name calling and he is entitled to what opinion he holds. Besides, I believe he gets a charge out of this grandstanding that he is invested in. Let him be, enjoy your life and don't even think about persons such as him. Life is too short for this sort of flame war.
josephonwhidbey 1 year ago
@josephonwhidbey What can I say..... When dealing with the Village Idiot, I can be very understanding. Dealing with a room full of them, I feel the need to remind the VI's that what they are saying is in fact, insane. Lest they think that a gathering of a small group of them is a sign of a 'movement' and not some aberration of nature.....
Good luck gentlemen in your angry manifestos. I look forward to exposing those as ridiculous too!
eaodak 1 year ago
@lancederalin1 "Who is more the fool: the fool, or the fool who follows him?" Agreed, if Fransisco had 'honestly' invested in a venture and others jumped on that band wagon, then so be it. But again, and it's very sad that you are being willfully ignorant here, it was done to induce others into a fraud so that they, along with Fransisco, would lose their money. That is a crime.
Your answers are emblematic of why Randists are SUCH assholes....
eaodak 1 year ago
@eaodak It was done to induce others to join? Are you a mind reader and can tell
his intent? Please, give me a break and try to be a little more logical in your arguments. What proof do you have this was a crime? What specific US law did he violate?
lancederalin1 1 year ago
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@lancederalin1 "It was done to induce others to join? Are you a mind reader and can tell his intent?'
Wow, you are obviously the product of a botched abortion.... Perhaps when mom stuck that hanger up her cooter, she should have scrambled you just a little longer....
eaodak 1 year ago
@lancederalin1 "what acts of terror did John Galt commit?"
Galt was not happy enough to 'go away' and 'be free'. That would be what a sane person would do, flee from 'evil oppression'. Galt, infused with Rand's drug induced 'righteous anger' decided to 'punish' society by a 'silent strike'. Then like a good terrorist, he got on the radio and told the masses why the masses would be punished for 'their evil ways'.... So yes, a rank terrorist
You have to be psychotic to have missed this....
eaodak 1 year ago
@eaodak Galt, in his own words, granted society it's own wishes by removing those it wished wouldn't exist. He simply followed exactly what you said before: either obey or leave. He chose the latter but also chose to tell others of the sickness that encompasses people like you and let them choose whether or not to join him and start their own society. This is not terrorism. You're more the terrorist by publicly calling on your dark vision to be forced on people.
lancederalin1 1 year ago
@lancederalin1 "Galt, in his own words, granted society it's own wishes by removing those it wished wouldn't exist."
Here you go asshole, right back at you.
How do you know what those people wanted? How could Galt the Terrorist know? How could Rand KNOW? Oh yeah, Rand knew what ALL the people in her fiction wanted.... BECAUSE IT WAS ALL FICTION!
Please, go off somewhere and shoot yourself in the face. No one will miss you.
eaodak 1 year ago
@eaodak My God, I feel like Im talking to a three year old. I know because those people chose to follow Galt instead of the behind of people such as yourself. Thats a good indication-when people make a choice, they reveal what they want
lancederalin1 1 year ago
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@lancederalin1 "My God, I feel like Im talking to a three year old. I know because those people chose to follow Galt instead of the behind of people such as yourself. Thats a good indication-when people make a choice, they reveal what they want "
What are you babbling about now?
eaodak 1 year ago
@eaodak "What are you babbling about now? "
Is this your idea of ridiculing? Denying yourself the ability to comprehend basic concepts? Is this your take on 1984's crimestop?
Your behaving so pathetically Im thinking you aren't even being serious
lancederalin1 1 year ago
@lancederalin1 "Your behaving so pathetically Im thinking you aren't even being serious"
Half serious.... See once I got a bead and realized that I was 'debating' with One True Faither's, I realized that rational debate is pointless with you people. What is important is that FACTS like Randism as a cult, Rand as a notorious drug user and speed freak are generally known....
And it's fun!
eaodak 1 year ago
@eaodak If this is you half serious, I can't imagine what you sound like when youre not serious at all.
And its not Randism, its Objectivism. And it has no elements of a cult. Prove me otherwise.
This isn't about faith. This is about reason, and utilizing reason over faith, and posititions such as your which are based solely on faith.
So prove to me Rand was a drug user.
lancederalin1 1 year ago
@lancederalin1 "He simply followed exactly what you said before: either obey or leave. He chose the latter but also chose to tell others of the sickness that encompasses people like you and let them choose whether or not to join him and start their own society"
He became a terrorist for all things you say after the word, 'but'.
"You're more the terrorist by publicly calling on your dark vision to be forced on people." I'm a terrorist? What pray tell, you walking abortion, is my 'dark vision'?
eaodak 1 year ago
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@eaodak "He became a terrorist for all things you say after the word, 'but'"
Ok, so youre NOT a believer in free speech? That's fine, because not only do you not prove anything other than your retardation, but you also answer your own question.
lancederalin1 1 year ago
@lancederalin1 "Ok, so youre NOT a believer in free speech?" Oh god.... Galt was FREE to go away. Once he decided to teach the rest of the people 'a lesson' he became a terrorist. He could have much more easily gone off and tried to build his own society with the handful of followers he had. No, that was not enough, Galt wanted revenge for the 'injustice' he felt. So Ragnar became a pirate, and Fransisco became a fraudster, all to further their terrorism.
eaodak 1 year ago
@eaodak Galt didn't go out of his way to punish society. Name one thing he said that supports your claim.
lancederalin1 1 year ago
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@lancederalin1 "Galt didn't go out of his way to punish society."
And I quote:
"This is John Galt speaking. I'm the man who's taken away your victims and thus destroyed your world."
Sounds like a terrorist to me! It goes on and on in much the same way by trying to rationalize their evil!
eaodak 1 year ago
@eaodak Like I said, you have given up your use of reason, so anything that disagrees with you is terrorism. John Galt says "THUS destroyed your world". Thus is a causal world to indicate cause and effect. Through taking away all those oppressed by our society, our world crumbles. Taking away the oppressed, sounds more like liberation
lancederalin1 1 year ago
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@lancederalin1 "Like I said, you have given up your use of reason, so anything that disagrees with you is terrorism."
Ah, I have given up reason have I? Like any terrorist, Galt was just 'righting a wrong'.... Rand was a pathetic ideologue, and you are even more pathetic for buying into it...
It's rich that the victimizers have tried to recast themselves as the 'victims'. You are absolutely INSANE!
eaodak 1 year ago
@eaodak Do you have any proof we are crazy terrorist villians?
lancederalin1 1 year ago
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@lancederalin1 "Do you have any proof we are crazy terrorist villians? "
I will once your evil 'revolution' starts.... LOL!
eaodak 1 year ago
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@eaodak "I will once your evil 'revolution' starts.... LOL!"
So you admit having zero evidence and that your arguments are merely based on your bigoted prejudices against justice
lancederalin1 1 year ago
@eaodak I have had it with this. You can either debate me through video chat or not at all.
lancederalin1 1 year ago
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@lancederalin1 "I have had it with this. You can either debate me through video chat or not at all."
What 'debate', you are a crazy person, and I am insulting you at every turn for it. No debate, just fun!
I look forward to reading about your trial and execution for your failed revolution!
eaodak 1 year ago
@eaodak Its been my experience that a person who resorts to insults has no logical argument to give. And how do you derive fun out of being humiliated? I've practically been beating you to a pulp
lancederalin1 1 year ago
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@lancederalin1 "Its been my experience that a person who resorts to insults has no logical argument to give."
Ok, so who gives a shit what you think? You do however seem awful interested in what I think.... Thank you.
"I've practically been beating you to a pulp" Really? Where? You've just been beating the Crazy Tree over and over....
eaodak 1 year ago
@eaodak "You do however seem awful interested in what I think"
I have zero interest in what you think
"Really? Where?"
I have refuted everything you said. You have not refuted even one thing I have said
lancederalin1 1 year ago
@lancederalin1 No, no, you are VERY interested in my opinion...
So interested, you broke your promise. You responded!
Thanks for being SO interested!
Douche bag...
eaodak 1 year ago
@lancederalin1 Read my worlds carefully. I said I would call it a day, which means I would only stop for that one day. I also said that I could debate you through video chat or not at all. Obviously with your ranting, you chose to not debate at all, but merely continue in your drivel. This shows how low your reading skills are.
But your insane demand to make me stop speaks volumes on how desperate you are over getting yourself out of your hole
lancederalin1 1 year ago
@lancederalin1 Read my words carefully, What on Earth are you babbling about now Dolt?
eaodak 1 year ago
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@lancederalin1 "You can either debate me through video chat or not at all."
All kidding aside, the real reason I have zero desire to 'video chat' with you....
I cannot stomach looking at vid of a loser in his parents basement prattle on in real time about his 'oppression' and doing nothing about it. Go back to your manifesto, the psychiatrists will need it to complete your profile after your impending arrest....
eaodak 1 year ago
@eaodak "I cannot stomach looking at vid of a loser in his parents basement prattle on in real time about his 'oppression' and doing nothing about it. Go back to your manifesto, the psychiatrists will need it to complete your profile after your impending arrest...."
Just as I thought. Here we have it, another coward having a psychotic breakdown. I think I'll call it a day-you've had enough, I'll let you lead yourself to oblivion.
lancederalin1 1 year ago
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@lancederalin1 "I think I'll call it a day-you've had enough, I'll let you lead yourself to oblivion.'
Promise?!?
Yes, I'm such a 'coward' LOLOL!!
Fucking loser!
eaodak 1 year ago
@eaodak Do you have an obsession or something? It appears all of your recent comments have been solely on topics relating to Objectivism and Atlas Shrugged. Its as though you fear your dark vision is being more and more exposed as the fallacy and obsolete, while more and more people recognize Objectivism for its merits
lancederalin1 1 year ago
@lancederalin1 "Do you have an obsession or something?"
Why would you care what my motivation is? Are you trying to read my mind?
eaodak 1 year ago
@eaodak If I was trying to read your mind I wouldn't bother asking you. However, it was a rhetorical question-Im merely stating how you realize your position has no substance, so in anger you are lashing out against objectivism, which more and more is taking root in the minds of people
lancederalin1 1 year ago
@lancederalin1 "so in anger you are lashing out against objectivism, which more and more is taking root in the minds of people"
Ah the World Wide Web, where once you would just have been the 'town crazy'. "Look kids, that's Crazy Lance again!", now you can 'connect' with other 'Town Crazies' and feel that you're not all alone. Believe me, you are ALL ALONE.
eaodak 1 year ago
@eaodak If I am all alone, why is it that I only see you on the one side, and hundreds of people on mine? Youre going through the old "All of you are crazy, but not me, NOT ME!!". This is supposed to take place when you are in a straightjacket in some mental institution, but I guess you are a little premature.
lancederalin1 1 year ago
@josephonwhidbey "I will not speak with you again." Promise?!?
Listen, if you want to let your life be ruled by an angry sociopathic drug addict, that's your business.....
eaodak 1 year ago
@eaodak I want to see if you have any balls or are you just bluffing. I challenge you to a debate on Stickam. If you reject, this proves you are a coward and your ideas are empty.
lancederalin1 1 year ago
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@lancederalin1 "I want to see if you have any balls or are you just bluffing."
Bluffing about what?
I have no idea what 'Stickam' is... Is that some homoerotic website you run?
We are not 'debating', you are a fanatic and I am ridiculing you. I have zero, read it again zero, interest in 'changing your mind'. Think what you care to think, I just love to see such rampant sociopathy....
eaodak 1 year ago
@eaodak Stickam is a site that allows people to communicate with each other through live video. Way to go showing off your ignorance.
In what way am I a fanatic? And you haven't once successufly rebuffed my views
lancederalin1 1 year ago
@lancederalin1 "And you haven't once successufly rebuffed my views "
In your opinion you mean... In my opinion, you are a joke from your first moronic post. How do I explain to an idiot that they are indeed an idiot? How do I explain to a fanatic, that their ideas are fanatical? How do I explain to a cultist that they are part of a cult?
eaodak 1 year ago
@eaodak Well, I don't give a flying fuck about your opinions. Your mind has been warped to the point that reality is no longer real, and facts no longer hold any substance. At that point, you have destroyed yourself.
lancederalin1 1 year ago
Why is it that all the social-freaks get attracted to this angry ideology? Were you all beaten up too often on the playground? Revenge time?
Sad pathetic little people. Perhaps there is a God, because if there is, he struck this babbling loser down with a speech impediment to let the rest of us know that only shit comes out of his mouth.
'Doktor' indeed LOLOL "Hew wuh! I'ye am sow wetawded!"
eaodak 1 year ago
@eaodak Angry ideology ? I think not. It's the phylosophy of live and let live. It's the ideal of individual liberty coupled with that of personal responsibility. You seem to have a problem with that. What is it about free choice that bothers you ? Do you wish to control other people and make them conform to your way thinking ? Let me tell you this: you will be alot happier once you accept the free choices of others.
josephonwhidbey 1 year ago
@josephonwhidbey "It's the phylosophy of live and let live. It's the ideal of individual liberty coupled with that of personal responsibility."
Joseph, Joseph, Joseph.... Randism is an ideology of control. It seeks to place the reins of society in the hands of her 'Creators' by unjustly overestimating these people's contributions, while at the same time devaluing everyone else's contribution. This is an ideological choice, not a natural law.
eaodak 1 year ago
@eaodak Where ever did you get your information ? Rand was an advocate of the free market and as such her "Creators" as you call them wouldn't have control. Moreover, she was steadfastly against any form of violance or threat thereof. Governments operate on the opposite principal. As to your comment associated with unrestrained freedom, the only restraint should be on our ability to harm others. Now as to your comment regarding Randism: where in her writing does she place control with anybody ?
josephonwhidbey 1 year ago
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@josephonwhidbey "Rand was an advocate of the free market and as such her "Creators" as you call"
Rand called these people her 'Creators', not I. Have you read AS? Or any of her work?
In AS, Ragnar was a violent pirate
Fransisco was a criminal fraudster
Galt was a terrorist.
I would say that Rand liked violence.....
eaodak 1 year ago
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@josephonwhidbey "Where ever did you get your information ? Rand was an advocate of the free market and as such her "Creators" as you call them wouldn't have control." You mean aside from reading what Rand had to say? She expressly called those she deemed as productive as her 'Creators'.
eaodak 1 year ago
@josephonwhidbey "Moreover, she was steadfastly against any form of violance or threat thereof." Again, I read her book. And despite pleas to the contrary, she was unable to keep this idea consistent in her own contrived narrative:
Ragnar was a violent and open pirate.
Fransisco was a criminal fraudster
Galt was a rank terrorist who was not happy to slink away, no he planned on 'punishing' the rest of the population...
Evil, evil, evil....
eaodak 1 year ago
@josephonwhidbey "Do you wish to control other people and make them conform to your way thinking ? "
Hyperbole nonsense. You do not have unrestrained freedom when you CHOOSE to live within a society. If you cannot understand that, I cannot explain the natural law of gravity to you either, but the principle is as plain.
eaodak 1 year ago
Rand was a sociopathic drug addict and cult leader.
Her 'heroes' are all criminals.
AND just to make it richer, she wrote about child rapist and murderer, William Hickman,
In her journal circa 1928 Rand quoted the statement, "What is good for me is right," a credo attributed to a prominent figure of the day, William Edward Hickman. Her response was enthusiastic. "The best and strongest expression of a real man's psychology I have heard," she exulted. -Journals of Ayn Rand p21-22
eaodak 1 year ago
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Rand was a sociopathic drug addict and cult leader.
Her 'heroes' are all criminals.
AND just to make it richer, she wrote about child rapist and murderer, William Hickman,
In her journal circa 1928 Rand quoted the statement, "What is good for me is right," a credo attributed to a prominent figure of the day, William Edward Hickman. Her response was enthusiastic. "The best and strongest expression of a real man's psychology I have heard," she exulted. -Journals of Ayn Rand p21-22
eaodak 1 year ago
Unbelievable how many nutcases take this ridiculous woman and her silly ideas seriously. The idea that greed is good is a provocative one and perhaps worth considering in a climate of overbearing religiosity purely as a means of understanding the human psyche and its many contradictory nuances but to build a system on this premise is fu****g nuts. We are currently learning just how nuts!
2legs2armsetc 1 year ago
At about 5:30 he talks about the fed causing problems. Greenspan is a huge Rand devotee. She stood by him at one of his earlier swearing ins. His promotion of financial deregulation led to the derivative debacle. At the congressional hearings he said he did not believe that people in finance would do what they did that caused the derivative. That is the problem with pure Rand philosophy. Without some restraint business will do unscrupulous things. The problem with any philosophy is human nature.
Onlythefaceschange 1 year ago
At about 3:50 he mentions intellectuals promoting faith over reason. I haven't heard any intellectuals doing that. Quite the opposite. Most organized crime uses Rands philosophy. They are not altruistic. They exercise their own selfish reason. Business is not a profoundly moral undertaking. The robber barons, Enron, savings and loan scandal, Madoff, Milken, the pollution that continued anabated until laws amd regulations curtailed it, the tobacco industry, etc
Onlythefaceschange 1 year ago
@Onlythefaceschange
Still relying on false dichotomy I see.
As far as I know tobacco still does harm when abused regardless of any government imposed regulation. Tobacco distributors profit heftily from such regulation. As did the real estate brokers in the recent housing bubble. Not the owners of real estate necessarily, but the brokers.
Your misinformed notion that business, the proffering of products or services, is necessarily an organized taking (criminal) is laughable.
maskedphrogg 1 year ago
Watch "The Smartest Guys in the Room"
Onlythefaceschange 1 year ago
No man is an island I think you forget that in your rant
prebenso 1 year ago
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eaodak 1 year ago
dont sound like an impediment... sounds like he's from boston
Locolos85 1 year ago
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And may I add a hearty, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
eaodak 1 year ago
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eaodak 1 year ago
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eaodak 1 year ago
Hewowh, I'm an idiotic Youtube moron who derides people with speech impediments despite the fact that they are obviously mentally superior to me, but I have an inferiority complex so I have to compensate for my teeny weeny brain... and penis.
es1064 1 year ago
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As for "going Galt", I would be beyond ecstatic if filthy rich jerks like Tony Hayward (BP), Lloyd Blankfein (Goldman Sachs), Pete Petersen (Hell) all fucked off and never came back!
GOOD RIDDANCE!!
mhirtes12 1 year ago
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eaodak 1 year ago
"Hew-woe, duh govwoment wed us twoo an awgy...."
Who is this fucking retard?
eaodak 1 year ago
So...if denouncing and persecuting the Wall Street Investment Bankers will make them "Go Galt" - then sign me up! Nothing would make me happier than to see Wall Street go on strike. Please bankers...Go on Strike!
jlwade3 1 year ago
@jlwade3 Yes, PLEASE go on strike. We can seize your assets, put you to the sword and then see who wants to be the next 'banker'....
eaodak 1 year ago
Hey retard at the AynRandInstitute, get a real fucking job and stop being a moocher-propagandist adding zero value to society. Your lungs are using air better spent on a street person....
eaodak 1 year ago