If you want to cure diabetes, why don't you change all those laws with stem cells so we could actually try cloning organs. That would allow us to fix so many diseases, also with low risk of rejection. And guess what, think of all those jobs that are going to be created!
If doctors get crapped on like this, it's no wonder so few people are interested in becoming them. Another 10-20 years wait until medical care is rationed because no one wanted to put up with the crap of becoming a doctor.
This is, without doubt, the most horrifying and insulting collection of statements a president has made in my lifetime. As the daughter of a very hard-working neurologist/neuroscientist and an assiduous pre-med student myself, I am absolutely horrified that such a noble profession, in which individuals devote their lives to rigorous study in order to improve the quality of life of man, has been subjected to such vile abuse. Such vicious anti-intellectual slander is truly disturbing.
@AdStudendum Maybe a few less big words and a little more argument. Okay, he's insulting the profession, but how? Using big words means you know how to use a dictionary. I would hope that ''an assiduous pre-med'' would know that big words don't make arguments.
WHAT?? $50k for an amputation? This president, who has made sweeping healthcare reform, obviously has NO idea how the healthcare system works. I'm going to guess the surgeon (who, btw, doesn't start his career until age 33, and works for himself, with no pension, retirement plan, etc) might make around $500. NOT $50,000. Obama is scary.
The last time I checked no surgeon was being reimbursed 30.000 for doing a surgery. Get your facts straight Mr. President! Physicians spend 11-15+ years training to become skilled at critical thinking and procedures. We rack of hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt while doing so and work 80+ hr weeks in order to provide care to our patients. It's a shame that such a misleading statement was spoken aloud to the general public. The economics of medicine just can't be explained this simply
Liar, liar pants on fire! How can we trust this guy to fix healthcare. He is either subscribes to the same misconseptions about physician reinbursement that so many people do, or he is flat out lying to us. Either way this is unexcuseable for him and he should apologize. The Medicare allowable reinbursement (in Tennessee) for CPT code 27880 below the knee amputation = $876.00. Feel free to check the reinbursement for that code where you live on the AMA website, its free. $50 K my ass.
So what exactly should a "reasonable" wage be?? When did America stop being a culture in which we value hard work, education and reward those who put that time and effort in to accomplish something, particularly while providing a service to the rest of society?
This kind of bullshit is why everyone thinks doctors are greedy and overpaid. Some moron who doesn't know what he is talking about spouting nonsense about the profession. Oh yeah, and we should be paid "a reasonable amount" for the work we do. What is that exactly? What is a reasonable amount to make for someone who worked anywhere from 11 to 15+ years of their lives training to do a job, acquiring enormous debt along the way, and let's not forget the liability incurred during medical practice.
We had 87-Diabetic Neuropathy Patients Scheduled for Amputation...With JUST ONE Treatment, Their Amputation Appointment was CANCELED! If you have Diabetic Neuropathy or know someone, You NEED this unit ASAP. Call me or email me for more info. Thank You.
While mr Obama did make a mistake with his numbers, let's not overlook the fact that the point he was trying to make about the importance of the work done by primary physicians is perfectly valid. The American model of healthcare could benefit hugely if it followed more along the same lines as Swedish healthcare but it is unlikely we will ever see the day that America doesn't put profit behind people
I'm a bike rider, I drive rarely, and I walk much, which means I'm generally in good health. As a surgeon - or any kind of physician - you would do us all a favor by working hard to eliminate the sources of accidents rather than focusing on maximizing your profit from them.
You're giving the standard stale defense that doctors have been rehearsing for decades. "Woe is me! I'm so poor! My bills are so high! I work so hard!" Are you starting to get the feeling that people are no longer buying it? Yeah? Good, I thought so.
@bkrider9 If you are a motorcycle rider, thanks. You guys are good for my business. Buy it or not, there is a breaking point. Screw the surgeon, and you'll have a lot fewer surgeons, myself included.
no but, doctors do lose all social life and sometimes a chance for a real nondisfunctional family. so id cut them some slack. remember, its a competitive field too, medicine. if it was relatively cheap, dont you think youd find some doctors who are cheap but experienced and good track record? its always the case for a reason. being a surgeon is a pretty fucking hard job and you have to do surgery ALOT, for long procedures, and perfect every time.
There are lots of "pretty f..ing hard jobs" in the world, get a reality check there, P. Doctors are greedy, and they defend their greed by saying, "Oh! Woe is me! I work hard! Therefore I should charge $1000 for 10 minutes of talking to you. And don't complain!" Good physicians should be paid well of course, but society should replace greedy physicians with good public health and preventive care.
yes of course there are greedy doctors just like the are greedy people in any occupation, but you have this stereotype of all surgeons being like that. Consider this, a surgeon doesn't get to choose the cost of procedures or consultations when the work in a hospital, the greedy ownership of the hospital. The surgeon is just an employee in this case. The other option is going to a doctor owned small practice, but medical suppliers charge them alot to deterr this cheaper healthcare.
The AMA; physicians as a group; pharmaceutical corporations; the "health care" profession as a whole - they are all profit-driven to the extreme. The entire sector is greedy, not just a few individuals. We're talking unbridled, unprecedented greed - with a failed attempt to put a thin coating of self-righteousness on it. But it's not only greed. It's also perhaps the greatest example of hypocrisy in modern society. Humanitarian service? First do no harm? We all wish.
......and by the way, my actual take-home pay for an amputation via medicare reimbursement(60 days later), which includes 90 days of after-care is approximately $150. ($600 minus overhead(50%)=$300 minus taxes(50%)=$150). Want to reduce medical costs? Reduce taxes and malpractice premiums(tort reform). Obamacare will reduce one thing: number of doctors available.
I understand the President’s point- prevention of medical complications is important, but I do not agree with his slander of physicians and the misinformation he gives the American people. I strongly oppose Obamacare because I do not want the government interfering in my relationships with patients. When I look at government run systems (inefficient DMV and Postal Service, mismanaged funds of Social Security), I cannot trust the government to manage something so important as healthcare. Do you?
@JJohn749 No! I cannot agree more with your comments. As a prospective medical student (even though I'm only a highschooler), I deeply hope Obamacare doesn't pass, or it may become a deal breaker for me. I don't want the government telling me how to care for my patients.
It’s embarrassing that our own President does not have correct information on how the billing in our health care system works. Does he even understand our health care system? If we truly want health care reform, why are we not focusing on tort reform or adjusting malpractice insurance rates? These factors make significant contributions to the cost of health care.
Again, my patients come first and I am dedicated to their best interest. I would never perform an unnecessary surgery. Also, the President stated we make $50,000 for an amputation. For an amputation for diabetes, medicare will reimburse $879.21. No surgeon makes $50,000 as the President stated (in this youtube video). In fact, malpractice insurance can be 50K, sometimes more.
These 13 years of my life was dedicated to developing my mind so I could provide the best care possible. So how does our President describe my physician colleagues and I? He states that instead of doing what’s best for the patient, we look at reimbursements to decide patient care. He states we do unnecessary tonsillectomies for a “sore throat” to make money (youtube video: "Obama Doctors Taking Tonsils Out For Money).
As a doctor, I am extremely disappointed by President Obama’s statement that physicians perform unnecessary procedures/surgeries out of greed. My patients come first. When I made the decision to become a physician, I wanted to dedicate my time and life to providing the best and most compassionate care possible. After receiving a bachelors in science (4 years), I went to medical school (4 years) and residency (5 years).
This video makes me absolutely irate! Our President does not know what the heck he is talking about! First of all, the average Medicare reimbursement for a foot amputation is 800 dollars! (By the way, Medicare pays 25% of what surgeons bill.) 50,000 dollars? Wow! He is just making surgeons hated by the uneducated public. In fact, the American Academy of Orhthopaedic Surgeons president wrote a letter to President Obama. It says...
This video makes me absolutely irate! Our President does not know what the heck he is talking about! First of all, the average Medicare reimbursement for a foot amputation is 800 dollars! (By the way, Medicare pays 25% of what surgeons bill.) 50,000 dollars? Wow! He is just making surgeons hated by the uneducated public. In fact, the American Academy of Orhthopaedic Surgeons president wrote a letter to President Obama. It says...
I am writing to express our profound disappointment with your recent comments regarding the value of surgery and blurring the realities of physician
reimbursements .First, surgeons are neither reimbursed by Medicare, nor any provider for that matter, for foot amputations at rates anywhere close to $50,000, $40,000 or even $30,000. Medicare reimbursements to physicians for foot amputations range from approximately $700 to $1200.
@ethanrdavis8 Dear ethanrdavis8. Your comment is contradictory, on one hand you say you do not get reimbursed by Medicare NOR any provider, and in your last statement you say that the reimbursements from Medicare are from 700 to 1200. so which is it, you either get reimbursed OR you dont !!!
@meadowbrooke1 Because, for some reason, one of my comments was marked as spam, you do not see that the comment was an excerpt from a letter from the president of the American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons. It means that no provider, especially Medicare, pays anything close to $50,000. The average is 700 to 1200.
Becoming an M.D. is seen as the ultimate academic achievement. Doctors will always have more power than a government sticking its head into something it knows nothing about. Obama, doctors are too humble to say it, but you have no impact on their happiness other than adding unwanted regulations and protocol. You can never take away their ability to privatize, so quit trying now and focus on something important. Maybe the ECONOMY?
@GovernmentSham912 ROMNEY'S 2012 PLAN CUTS MEDICARE--Ron Paul’s plan cuts $1 trillion the first year & balances the budget in 3 years. The plan cuts spending by ending the costly foreign wars, and cuts foreign welfare, corporate welfare, and overgrown federal bureaucracy. These cuts are made so that those who are dependent on domestic spending programs such as Medicare aren’t endangered through a sudden change in benefits. Romney’s plan cuts Medicare, on which many elderly Americans rely.
You know many of will get cancer, diabetes, heart disease, liver conditions you name it. Nobody ever dies of natural causes, ever!
So for those of you only concerned about your own pocket, you won't be able to bring your money with you to Heaven.
Go back to making every program private and that would discriminate the poor. What gives you Americans the right to turn your face from your fellow Americans?
We are the only nation that does this, and no wonder Europe fukin hates us!
This is not the America I grew up in. The Conservatives sound really self centered and greedy. You know how disgusting it is for a Conservative to say, 'Well I am soory your daughter has cancer, but I'm not paying for it.' As if you are paying for it.
Hey, why don't we close down all social programs like the police, fire dept, and public schools than those greedy self centered Conservatives can afford more personal luxuries.
I'm an Independent myself, but the Republicans sound so greedy.
A Cap on all medical practice salaries. Nothing too extreme, but they have been overpaid a lot of times.
I also propose that med students take on more patients that can't afford to be seen by senior doctors. What better way for med students to learn than to offer their services to those with not enough money for insurance.
Student hair stylists and student dentists offer their services for free or discounted rates, why not med students? I think that plan would work
@pluto4847 Why would you propose that? Doctors go through at least 15 years of school making close to nothing, and doctors don't make as much as people think? I know doctors that accept as little as $20 a month for balances of $2000. Doctor's aren't as greedy as you think. I believe you are proposing negative consequences for success.
@pluto4847 Absolutely. Obviously not every doctor in the United States would be as kind. You work hard at your job. So would you like it if the government put a cap on your salary, but not on the amount you can get sued for if you make a mistake? You would probably be furious.
I think doctors get paid too much. I propose a cap on all medical salaries. If you consider Volunteer fire fighters risk their lives on a daily basis for nothing in return than doctors like the police and fire fighters need to re-evaluate their career status.
Police make moderate to upper salaries with a lot of perks.
Doctors need to be a little bit more humble when it comes to humanity. Your jobs are important, but so are firemen and police officers. They never complain about money.
Or better yet, why dont the government pay for diabetes supplies like strips and lancets, so the diabetic can stay on top of his diabetes and dont end up with 50,000 dollar amputation bills..Whats more money?, insuline + supplies or Amputations..I am a perfect example 3 times over of this problem!!!
OMG What is wrong with you MORONS! Obama never once says sergons choose amputation in order to make money NOT ONCE, nor does he say or imply anything like that. He's just saying that preventative care is a lot cheaper than emergency care. THAT"S IT! God I'm so sick of people twisting everything he says around he could say ANYTHING and you haters would make it into something else.
Harvard is spelled with a capital H. Please make an assessment of your ability before you refer to anyone as qualifies as President Obama as a " fling idiot. " President Obama is trying to save all of our social security benefits through preventative programs that comsumes billions in medical expenditures. When you or your grandparents are suffering from preventable deadly illnesses, I think you might have a different view. Meanwhile, invest in a Webster's dictionary
The cost of an amputation has been estimated at 50k. What's worse is that statiscally within 3 years half of those amputees will die. But they will not die peacefully in their sleep at home. They will make multiple trips back to the hospital and drive up the cost of the amputation further. DFUPS is a program that is a multidiciplinary approach to the prevention of foot ulcers and ultimately the prevention of amputations.
Wow. It's scary how far Obama is off in this issue. As already posted, surgeons make between $700-1000 for an amputation. Surgery is always a last resort treatment.
Look around. The problem is that there are so many non-compliant diabetic and obese individuals that don't want to better their health and EXERCISE, but want their PCP to give them "a pill" for the issue.
I think a little more responsibility on the obese individual's part would go a long way here.
@Drewbiedoo86 He's not saying doctors are dishonest, he's saying that preventative care is less expensive than emergency care. People are reading in a lot of BS that just isn't there. Obama's not off at all.
Surgeon here, what we really need is a death panel......for career politicians.
Actual reimbursement for amputation $600 give or take.
(includes at least 90days post op visits). 20 $40 office visits is $800. Diabetics are NEVER encouraged to have an amputation if their limb is salvageable, DUH.
I am charged an arm and a leg for malpractice insurance($60k/yr) and pay an arm and a leg in taxes.
The point is........the patient is the priority, always, but chop down the surgeon.....fewer surgeons.
Listen to this again people, the President is saying that it is cheaper to prevent a disease than to let it go so far that drastic procedures are necessary. That preventative medicine should be reimbursed.
This was presented as an example of something, notice that that part was removed.
Shame on whoever deliberately mistitled this clip.
President Barack Obama received his B.A. degree in political science with specialization in international relationships from Columbia University, an ivy league member , Columbia University, ranked as 9th in the country. President Obama also graduated Jures Doctor, Magna Cum Laude from HARVARD LAW SCHOOL, where he served as President of the Harvard Lab Review. Harvard Law School is ranked the best Law School in America. You matriculate this academia before you assess someone as dumb.
We have some caring and brilliant doctors. I think it is shameful that we live in a society that STILL
saw peoples limbs off. Leg and foot amputations have increased over 300% in the last decade.
President Obama's remark just fail to indicate that this is the total cost for having this procedure done. Does anyone on here know EVERYTHING. I DON'T. But I know how to prevent leg and foot amputations based on peripheral vascular disease and the capillary exchanged process.
we dont all know EVERYTHING! but one should not address the american people with extremely incorrect facts in efforts to convince them we should follow along with his plans... i dont care how many times he went to harvard....he still sounds like a f'ing idiot!
@shellygupta100 Which thing did he say that was wrong? The cost of an amputation IS between 30 and 70 thousand dollars. Look it up! No part of what he said was factually inaccurate. Unlike the right-wing spin on what he's saying which is pure BS.
The Communist propaganda is out of control. I am baffled and terrified how the leader of the free world is such a propagandist. He must know that anyone with half a brain will see right through this, so then who is the target of this drivel? Yes, let me see what he states. My DR is in collusion with a surgeon and is giving me bad advise or poor care to ensure I get out of control Diabetes and require a life saving amputation, all for profit. Does anyone actually believe this insanity?
Livefree - Not sure you got my comments. My Doctor is giving me good advice to avoid Diabetes and not participating in this lunatic conspiracy theory of Obamas. Still flabbergasted he said DR's are making sure you will need an amputation to make more money. This has to be fake. If not this man needs to be impeached. Hes nuts!!
@pluto4847 What in the world are you talking about? Read the post, stay with the facts and on topic son. AS hard as that might be for a liberal. We understand you liberals like to go off into your own la la land with totally disconnected comparisons when trying to discuss something. I guess you really don't have a choice with your ideologies being historically proven as tried and insane, you cant really stay logical can you. .
I was once an ultra conservative, but through the years people were saying I was with the wrong party. I understand some people don't support the democrats on their agenda. For me personally, I think name like Nancy Pelosi, Barrack Obama, Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton are what this country needs.
As an American, you are welcome to agree to disagree.
@pluto4847 Your right. We are all free to disagree. Thank God (sorry I know you are liberal and it is fashionable for Liberals to be atheists) that Nov is right around the corner. When the conservatives take back the Congress and senate in Nov then we can stop being delusional and get back to producing and earning a living instead of taxing to death those who work to pay for those "disadvantaged" who do not. Not passing budgets and crushing the United States.
If ever said I was a democrat? You can't judge a book by its cover. That's the problem with America.
I am a Moderate. I am pro-life, pro-healthcare, and pro working man, and I am especially in support of the disadvanged.
I think its arrogant to support a War in Iraq an d not help out Americans who are disadvanaged. You throw away your money in Afghanistan, but you don't want to help out fellow American?
You even misjudged me. I am not an aethist, I believe in God.
Are you also racist? Do you hate different races? Well we all know you condemn the disadvantage. If you had a child who was severely learning impaired, I bet you wouldn't be so quick to judge and condemn those far worse off than you.
Obama Care has passed into law now. Try repealing it. Try it, and you tell me what impact you republicans would make. You'll just cut all social programs. Than sometime when you lose your job, you'll be begging for help, but you won't get it!
@pluto4847 It is true, liberals are truly nuts. Throwing the race card out when someone disagrees with your schoolboy rhetoric. No you aren't a liberal - right! This discussion is over. You just showed your small IQ and that you are a racist by attempting to paint someone who disagrees with you as one
Disadvantaged and entitlements are very different. Did you play video games and drop out of school to have babies at 13? Should I pay for your life if you are just lazy and too good to work?
You know you are treading on deep water! I swear if I hear one more word out of your mouth, I will prosecute you!
Now if you dare! If you dare try to respond and breathe down my back, I will place a ban on your correspondence, end of Story!
I've seen more of the world, and know more about it than you ever will. That is final! I've been outside America. I volunteered my time. So either put up or shut up! End of! Now I better not hear a word out of your fowl tongue!
@pluto4847 WOW. You call me racist. I don't like it and say some things and you flip out. I must have hit some nerves really hard. What exactly would you like to me to putup or shutup? Or is this something you just heard grownups say? Your the one who started playing the racism card. See you around, you are either 13 years old or completely whacked in the head. Try and get some decent lights in your moms basement. You will feel better.
You know what stop sending your kid to public school. I'm not paying for his education. If a fuse breaks in your house, I'm not calling the fire department. That's not my problem.
If a burgerly invades your house, leave me out of it, I can't be asked to call the police to help you.
If you lose your job, don't apply for unemployment cos I'm not paying for it!
You think health is any different those causes. So your pro-life, but you won't save a cancer patient? Get real!
@pluto4847 You are talking drivel. You dont even understand how the taxation system works. When do you get out of school and maybe get a place of your own that isnt funded by mommy and daddy?
You want to see my passport? You want to see it? I've been everywhere.
I've expanded my horizons way more than you had hot dinners!
It is you who are uneducated, and you are UnAmerican!
I also have several degrees to my name so before you judge, know who you are talking too. Now I'll let you off with a warning. Next time I hear any smart back talk out of your mouth, your correspondence will be banned! I will not respond!
@pluto4847 Who said you were uneducated numbnuts. I asked when you get out of school and maybe when you get a place of your own and you answer back with do you want to see my passport. Why shoudl I be impressed with vacations mommy and daddy paid for? Smart Back talk? What century are you from?
Next time don't start talking nonsense unless you are prepared for debate without name calling like you had to do as a child.
10 visits at $75 each($750) is actually more costly than an amputation ($600 from medicare, includes many post op visits). I'm all for prevention 100%, but if you cut the surgeons any more, you'll have trouble finding any surgeons to do the procedure.
He's playing politics again: more primary care docs than surgeons, wants their support( a numbers game to him).
As a surgeon, I don't amputate a leg then charge an arm and a leg. I do, however, pay an arm and a leg for malpractice insurance( $60,000/yr) and in annual income taxes. When the government amputates me year after year, it's a lot more than $40-50k.
@oran6es YOur telling me YOU charge the patient and it has nothin do with the hospital charging them so what you pay taxes, so does everyone else. You want me to feel bad for you just because you do something everyone else does? Honestly, wah i pay taxes, when you make a hell of alot more then most people, if u can afford $60 000 a year then i gaurntee you make a hell of alot more than my entire family. Oh but i should feel bad for YOU, cuz just like US , you pay taxes?
@canada4life1944 You shouldn't feel bad for me. My take-home pay after an amputation is around $150. If taxes and malpractice insurance continue to rise, feel bad for all patients, because there'll be a lot fewer surgeons to do the work.
@oran6es Oh really, i come from a nation where the doctors work an a government salary, and the only shortage we have is the few doctors that get a medical degree in canada and then move to the states, preventive care would save the patient the money, but we should feel bad for you because you are only interested in making money, and not helping people?I would not want that kind of doctor, and im sure your not like that either.
@canada4life1944 I help people every day. People from your country come to my country when they want the best medical care. C'est vrai. Don't feel bad for me, feel bad for your country's medical system.
But as a surgeon, why do you do it? For the money? If you were a fire fighter risking your life money would not matter. Its the right thing to do. They don't charge people for saving their lives from fires, but doctors think its perfectly ok to deny treatment of someone who can't afford it.
And the police risk their lives everyday to save people from crime. Why can't doctors do that without dollar signs always flashing in their eyes?
My friend, I mean you know insult. However, a lot of doctors have this superiority complex that scares patients away. I'm not saying you are like this. You're probably a great surgeon and I respect you.
But lets be frank, there are other professions as equally important as doctors. Volunteer Fire Fire fighters risk their lives for nothing to save a life.
Now if doctors could do the same, that would be wonderful.
To make Obama care work, we all need to pull together-u too.
"As a surgeon...I pay an arm and a leg for malpractice insurance ($60,000/yr) and in annual income taxes"
That's OK doc, you can easily afford it and still live much better than the rest of us. The median expected salary for a typical Surgeon in the United States is $301,892 and many exceed the $1 million mark every year. I have done a lot of remodeling work in doctor's houses and I've seen how you live and how your wives spend ridiculous amounts of money to indulge themselves.
@CaneFu Thankfully, my wife isn't one of those. After taxes that 301k is about 150k. Don't forget that the average surgeon's career START is at age 32-35. You're free to "live" like the rest of us. Go back to school, borrow triple figures, give up your young adult life for education and training. It's a free country(at least for now).
"borrow triple figures....give up your young adult life..."
That's a bunch of crap. My cousin is a doctor & he never gave up his young adult life - he enjoyed himself quite a bit while a stripper shacked up with him during med school. Shortly after finishing his residency he built a new house.
At 55 years old with health problems & badly in need of surgery because I can't afford sky high health insurance caused by exorbitant medical costs - you are whining to the wrong person.
@CaneFu Funny how health care "reform" by Barry O has made insurance rates increase. Many physicians are dropping medicare as we speak. Looks like you're whining to the wrong person.
I'm not the one doing the whining, YOU are. I'm just pointing out the fact that the U.S. health-care as it stands now is a completely corrupt and broken system. Obama was too weak to fix it and it will take someone stronger and more decisive - but our health-care system cannot be allowed to stand as it is.
You also seem to have a lot of free time to be able to reply to me day & night for being such a busy doctor who's supposed to be under such pressure. Go take care of your patients
Woah kid, take a god damn chill pill. The root of this ENTIRE nation's problems is on THE PEOPLE. Nobody plans as they should. If you are not in the absolute best possible place for you to have children, you shouldn't. There goes sky high overpopulation rates. Badly in need of surgery. Hm wouldn't have happened if you PLANNED & SAVED. This country is in a sh*t hole because of sh*t head people who live in it. Obama misses the entire picture completely. You must start from the ground up.
It isn't possible for the average person to plan and save for surgery you boob - quite frequently the unexpected happens and we can't save $100K for surgery while trying to pay for all the other necessities such as a modest roof over our heads and food on the table. Medical care simply costs too much - period.
@CaneFu well maybe if you take care of yourself, you wouldn't need MEDICAL CARE. Why do you think canadians live longer than americans? its because we eat unhealthy silly.
I have lived a very healthy lifestyle with exercise and proper diet my entire life but sometimes shit just happens. You're a typical boob with his head in the sand..
@CaneFu yes, sometimes shit happens but thats just the "luck of the draw". For most people they increase their "luck of the draw" by not doing what you do. Do you see why?
Oh, you mean by working hard my entire life, having a company I worked for that provided my health insurance go out of business, and then me becoming self-employed so i wouldn't have to be a welfare case and get free medical care? Is that what you mean by telling me I went wrong somewhere you fucking boob?
I'm not talking about a free lunch. Every Canadian pays $45 per month and gets first class healthcare, no waiting in lines, no waiting list. How do I know? I have relatives living there. Why do you think auto insurance is so cheap? Everyone has to pay into it, or they don't drive. Require every young healthy person to pay into health insurance that doesn't use it much & it becomes affordable for everyone. Every other industrialized country except the U.S. has a single payer system.
@CaneFu Salary minus malpractice ins = 241k. frivolous lawsuits + time lost working, another 10-30k a year. Doctors aren't the problem. Hospital costs (Which people seem to think has something to do with Dr. Incomes and has none whatsoever) have skyrocketed due to over-regulation and hospitals' need to recoup costs for the uninsured. Insurance companies increase premiums and decrease payouts every year; It affects everyone. If you were good, you'd be remodeling private insurance CEOs' homes.
However, we have the most incapable government in the western world to do so. Rather than tort reform and cutting costs at the administrative level, they go after physicians, the majority of whom could make more money in a different career (docs a pretty smart bunch).. 200k debt at 6 percent per year; Graduate med school to make 40k for 3-7 years, barely enough to pay the 12k in interest per year. Dr's deserve to do as well as the bloodsuckers making all these laws.
Bullshit - my cousins a doctor, we grew up together, and I know the inside story. Even HE tells me doctors are way overpaid and he has given me exact numbers on what they pay him for different things - the money is obscene.
your president is right when he says that preventive medicine should also be reimbursed. all doctors are taught that in med school. unfortunately the healthcare industry, particularly 3rd-party payors/insurers in the US does not recognize preventive medicine procedures as mainstream medicine, at least not enough to be reimbursible.
Come on, keithwhitmer. Obama says, "the 30, 40, or $50,000 immediately the SURGEON is reimbursed." That is EXACTLY what the man said. In Dallas, to amputate a foot (CPT28800), Medicare pays the surgeon $549.27. That includes admission, surgery, post-surgical care, and 90 days of follow-up. If you add up all physician care, operating cost, and hospital reimbursement, it still does not come to $50,000. Embarrassing that the person advocating the overhauling of health care is so devoid of fact.
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The headline on this is absolutely wrong. Look again and listen this time. He says "..why not make sure we are ALSO reimbursing the care that prevents the amputation?" Obama references the money because it is in fact costly to do the amputation and in fact not costly to do the preventative consultation. See? Money and limbs, saved. But only in the most cynical interpretation of that quote could you possibly come away with that headline.
ah well lets see here... look at the context of the speech- he is comparing the cost of preventive care to surgical care.
he meant to say ""surgical reimburse ment " rather than " surgeon is reimbursed". 30,000 is a global fee, clearly it's an order of magnitude above what a surgeon would be paid.
btw- the cost of medical care is excessive because of trial lawyers, drug companies, medical device manufacturers, and insurance companies.// and yes, i am a surgeon...
Unbelievable! Our president is losing his crediblity. Reimbursement to a surgeon for an amputation and several follow visits is about $800. I would expect accuracy from our president. This underscores how ridiculous this situation is: a lawyer/community organizer who has never run a private business and is misinformed regarding surgical reimbursement is intent on overhauling our medical system. And the "47 million uninsured" is bogus.
when he talks of improving the primary care to the point of preventing amputations he istalking about a big brother gov that has the power to deny fatty food to fat people....deny sugar to diabetics...deny anything to anyone they choose...you will have an id card and it will have all your info on it...you will have to produce this card to purchase anything at all...in no other context do his statements make any sense...HE ISNT THAT STUPID...or is he?
I'm a vascular surgeon. I get paid less than $1,000 for a major amputation (above or below the knee), and that includes a 90-day global. It's disappointing to see President Obama make such glaringly ignorant responses. I think he's out of his depth on this health policy initiative, and neither he nor House Speaker Pelosi truly understand the ramifications of their political decisions. It's a fine ideal to have health insurance for everyone, but they seem to be rushing through the process.
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Maybe they are rushing. But can you also agree that the right wing and the lobby for HC is simply trying to kill every idea, with lies? With this as their agenda what hope do have to fix this thing if we don't keep prodding this issue? Wouldn't you at least like to have your paperwork simplified and maybe tort reform? If so, get into the discussion and promote those ideas. Don't just sit there and say," what's the hurry?"
Shocking!!! I am an outright democrat but this is blasphemy. He has NO clue about how medicine works in the US. Surgeons getting $30-50,000/amputation? Is he smoking pot? I thought we had had enough of these moronic statements from Palin and Bush but Obamas ignorance is shocking. Sad that Obama turned out to be so ignorant on the health front that he is trying to overhaul with such enthusiasm.
This is B.S.! Primary care physicians already do their best to practice preventive medicine, yet patients choose not to follow their advice. Further, surgeons receive anywhere from $800 to $1000 for an amputation, and this includes all preoperative and postoperative care. This is a far cry from the $30,000 to $50,000 that Obama claims is paid to the surgeon. Maybe he should check his facts before shooting off at the mouth. I am a surgeon. I know the facts.
Obama is trying to make the point that the health system needs to be changed to focus on preventative care. If our health system made sure that every American received preventative medical care, we would save billions of dollars. The majority of health care dollars are currently spent providing end-of-life care. If we can help people and provide care BEFORE they become critically ill, the savings would be remarkable! Obama is not criticizing PCPs- he is saying they should be reimbursed better!
Obama's statement here is an insult to every family physician out there. They work hard to manage diabetes correctly, but ultimately, it is the patient who must take his pills and put down the twinkies. All doctors, surgeons and primary care docs alike, view an amputation as a last resort and a failure. They are already reimbursed at the bare minimum. Find a way to reward patient compliance, but don't act like the family docs are underpaid slackers. They are underpaid, but are not slackers.
Oh, but you're mistaken, amputations costs 30, 40k, 50k! Where does this guy get his information, it's ridiculous what the crap that comes out of this guy's mouth.
you guys do realize that he's not saying that anybody chooses surgery instead of preventative care, right? he's saying the gov't reimburses more for the surgery than it does to prevent the surgery. EVERYBODY INVOLVED would like to avoid the surgery, so why not spend more to avoid it? that's the point of the comment, not to say surgeons are greedy bastards and doctors don't care about their patients.
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He is actually wrong here, but there is no doubt that doctors are nasty money hungry capitalists who can't give a shit about their patients. I challenge u to find me one who isnt this way, u will be looking for a loooooong time
Actually, I spend nearly 12 hours a day seeing patient's in the hospital for a fraction of what I should get paid. And I spend so much time in the hospital because I love seeing and taking care of my patients. Before you make a comment like this, you should ask yourself if YOU know what are talking about. If you would like to come and join me at work sometime I would be happy to show you first hand.
@CubbyMD Dear Mr Doctor, I would be concerned to come to see you. Your comment is contradictory. You say that you do not get reimbursed for amputation but in the same breath you say that you do, so do you or do you not?
Obama is so mercilessly full of shit and painfully misinformed that it's pathetic. No surgeon does foot amputations because they pay well - the reimbursement for a foot amputation is terrible, about $750 which includes preop and post-op care and follow up for one year. It is not an operation that ANY surgeon wants to do - it is a last resort to prevent sepsis from a gangrenous limb. I know this as a surgery residents. Obama is propagating lies in order to push a potentially dangerous agenda.
@jarodmc Obama NEVER SAID sergons pick amputations because they pay well! He's just saying they are more expensive than preventative care that's all. Not once does he say anything about sergons picking anything.
And honestly where can I get any kind of sergury for $750? That's not even enough to pay for 1 day in the hospital! An Ambulance ride costs more than that. Where are you getting your numbers from?
Obama is an incredible clown. He whines about all the "misinformation" that is getting circulated. Does this moron listen to himself? Medicare reimbursement for a foot amputation is under $1000.00. Did anyone out there send this video to the White House flag email.
People's issues are private they say, and that is true regarding religious beliefs but is not true about social issues as for example justice, the environment and health care. Those are things the people themselves need to address and solve with government in their side. And that is what Obama meant, and what the right dreads because their hold of power would be compromised.
There is no greater measure of the failure of a system as when people are cynical and mistrusting about that system.
I think people should demand that the president and congress should put the brakes on this bill. They need to get their acts together and try again. I would prefer they succeed. But this is just based on missinformation.
You shouldn't feel sorry for him for not knowing what he's talking about. He's arrogant, has no humility, and doesn't care whether he knows what he's talking about. Save your tears for the people who will suffer as a result of that kind of man being in a position to affect their lives.
Great: demonize the surgeon for making $680 for convincing the patient to choose between limb loss and severe illness and death, to remove their limb, and to follow-up said patient.
Glorify the phD that harvests, divides young humans into separate parts, grows them in separate dishes for months and years, throwing BILLIONS of $ into a research program, the success of which will be defined by how successful the young of our species can be cannibalized by others.
Mr. Obama will have to start controlling the food per person. Calorie rationing to families to maintain weight and forestall diabetes. Or mandatory exercise classes to get your food coupon. Big Brother? Tax the wage earners to pay for the program.
ive been in the health care field for 40 years and it is not broken. if you think that you can force people to live what a bunch of beurocrats believe is a healthy life style forget it. people wont give up their self destructive ways. you try telling a lower socio/economic nurses aide that her kid should not be doing very risky stunts on a skate board and see what happens.
I am appalled at the inaccuracy of Mr. Obama's $20K, $30, $50K amounts none of which are near accurate but he slings around for the "effect" that doctors are so overpaid,
As a vascular surgeon, the FACTS are: Medicare allowable for a below knee amputation(CPT code 27880) is $865 of which the surgeon gets reimbursed about $680 by medicare. This includes the procedure, all hospital care and all followup care for 90 days, a far cry from his grandiose remarks. Scarey.
The 30K figure is likely the entire bill for the procedure--the doctor's fee and the hospital bill for the recovery, the aftercare, etc. The point that has been lost on all of you retards is that preventative care, which is not collectivized in the current mo
If you want to cure diabetes, why don't you change all those laws with stem cells so we could actually try cloning organs. That would allow us to fix so many diseases, also with low risk of rejection. And guess what, think of all those jobs that are going to be created!
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ginofrater 3 months ago
If doctors get crapped on like this, it's no wonder so few people are interested in becoming them. Another 10-20 years wait until medical care is rationed because no one wanted to put up with the crap of becoming a doctor.
dbsommers1 3 months ago
This is, without doubt, the most horrifying and insulting collection of statements a president has made in my lifetime. As the daughter of a very hard-working neurologist/neuroscientist and an assiduous pre-med student myself, I am absolutely horrified that such a noble profession, in which individuals devote their lives to rigorous study in order to improve the quality of life of man, has been subjected to such vile abuse. Such vicious anti-intellectual slander is truly disturbing.
AdStudendum 3 months ago
@AdStudendum Maybe a few less big words and a little more argument. Okay, he's insulting the profession, but how? Using big words means you know how to use a dictionary. I would hope that ''an assiduous pre-med'' would know that big words don't make arguments.
Ofthehouseofbeards 2 months ago
WHAT?? $50k for an amputation? This president, who has made sweeping healthcare reform, obviously has NO idea how the healthcare system works. I'm going to guess the surgeon (who, btw, doesn't start his career until age 33, and works for himself, with no pension, retirement plan, etc) might make around $500. NOT $50,000. Obama is scary.
vageneral 3 months ago
The last time I checked no surgeon was being reimbursed 30.000 for doing a surgery. Get your facts straight Mr. President! Physicians spend 11-15+ years training to become skilled at critical thinking and procedures. We rack of hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt while doing so and work 80+ hr weeks in order to provide care to our patients. It's a shame that such a misleading statement was spoken aloud to the general public. The economics of medicine just can't be explained this simply
LLDBHB 4 months ago
lol lawyers trying to play doctor....although i ve never seen a president try to play doctor. i guess our profession is on the rise.
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JawsJaws 6 months ago
Liar, liar pants on fire! How can we trust this guy to fix healthcare. He is either subscribes to the same misconseptions about physician reinbursement that so many people do, or he is flat out lying to us. Either way this is unexcuseable for him and he should apologize. The Medicare allowable reinbursement (in Tennessee) for CPT code 27880 below the knee amputation = $876.00. Feel free to check the reinbursement for that code where you live on the AMA website, its free. $50 K my ass.
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So what exactly should a "reasonable" wage be?? When did America stop being a culture in which we value hard work, education and reward those who put that time and effort in to accomplish something, particularly while providing a service to the rest of society?
Michael326 6 months ago
This kind of bullshit is why everyone thinks doctors are greedy and overpaid. Some moron who doesn't know what he is talking about spouting nonsense about the profession. Oh yeah, and we should be paid "a reasonable amount" for the work we do. What is that exactly? What is a reasonable amount to make for someone who worked anywhere from 11 to 15+ years of their lives training to do a job, acquiring enormous debt along the way, and let's not forget the liability incurred during medical practice.
Michael326 6 months ago 7
lol in my Land you did not have to pay if you got damaged seriously JAAAJ Europe
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RenuaMedical 1 year ago
While mr Obama did make a mistake with his numbers, let's not overlook the fact that the point he was trying to make about the importance of the work done by primary physicians is perfectly valid. The American model of healthcare could benefit hugely if it followed more along the same lines as Swedish healthcare but it is unlikely we will ever see the day that America doesn't put profit behind people
piddleton 1 year ago
I'm a bike rider, I drive rarely, and I walk much, which means I'm generally in good health. As a surgeon - or any kind of physician - you would do us all a favor by working hard to eliminate the sources of accidents rather than focusing on maximizing your profit from them.
bkrider9 1 year ago
@oran6es and harricfive:
You're giving the standard stale defense that doctors have been rehearsing for decades. "Woe is me! I'm so poor! My bills are so high! I work so hard!" Are you starting to get the feeling that people are no longer buying it? Yeah? Good, I thought so.
bkrider9 1 year ago
@bkrider9 If you are a motorcycle rider, thanks. You guys are good for my business. Buy it or not, there is a breaking point. Screw the surgeon, and you'll have a lot fewer surgeons, myself included.
oran6es 1 year ago
no but, doctors do lose all social life and sometimes a chance for a real nondisfunctional family. so id cut them some slack. remember, its a competitive field too, medicine. if it was relatively cheap, dont you think youd find some doctors who are cheap but experienced and good track record? its always the case for a reason. being a surgeon is a pretty fucking hard job and you have to do surgery ALOT, for long procedures, and perfect every time.
Pimpmastahanhduece 1 year ago
@Pimpmastahanhduece
There are lots of "pretty f..ing hard jobs" in the world, get a reality check there, P. Doctors are greedy, and they defend their greed by saying, "Oh! Woe is me! I work hard! Therefore I should charge $1000 for 10 minutes of talking to you. And don't complain!" Good physicians should be paid well of course, but society should replace greedy physicians with good public health and preventive care.
bkrider9 1 year ago
yes of course there are greedy doctors just like the are greedy people in any occupation, but you have this stereotype of all surgeons being like that. Consider this, a surgeon doesn't get to choose the cost of procedures or consultations when the work in a hospital, the greedy ownership of the hospital. The surgeon is just an employee in this case. The other option is going to a doctor owned small practice, but medical suppliers charge them alot to deterr this cheaper healthcare.
Pimpmastahanhduece 1 year ago
@Pimpmastahanhduece
The AMA; physicians as a group; pharmaceutical corporations; the "health care" profession as a whole - they are all profit-driven to the extreme. The entire sector is greedy, not just a few individuals. We're talking unbridled, unprecedented greed - with a failed attempt to put a thin coating of self-righteousness on it. But it's not only greed. It's also perhaps the greatest example of hypocrisy in modern society. Humanitarian service? First do no harm? We all wish.
bkrider9 1 year ago
He has no idea what is going on. Find out on 11/2/21010
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......and by the way, my actual take-home pay for an amputation via medicare reimbursement(60 days later), which includes 90 days of after-care is approximately $150. ($600 minus overhead(50%)=$300 minus taxes(50%)=$150). Want to reduce medical costs? Reduce taxes and malpractice premiums(tort reform). Obamacare will reduce one thing: number of doctors available.
oran6es 1 year ago 3
I understand the President’s point- prevention of medical complications is important, but I do not agree with his slander of physicians and the misinformation he gives the American people. I strongly oppose Obamacare because I do not want the government interfering in my relationships with patients. When I look at government run systems (inefficient DMV and Postal Service, mismanaged funds of Social Security), I cannot trust the government to manage something so important as healthcare. Do you?
JJohn749 1 year ago
@JJohn749 No! I cannot agree more with your comments. As a prospective medical student (even though I'm only a highschooler), I deeply hope Obamacare doesn't pass, or it may become a deal breaker for me. I don't want the government telling me how to care for my patients.
ethanrdavis8 1 year ago
It’s embarrassing that our own President does not have correct information on how the billing in our health care system works. Does he even understand our health care system? If we truly want health care reform, why are we not focusing on tort reform or adjusting malpractice insurance rates? These factors make significant contributions to the cost of health care.
JJohn749 1 year ago
Again, my patients come first and I am dedicated to their best interest. I would never perform an unnecessary surgery. Also, the President stated we make $50,000 for an amputation. For an amputation for diabetes, medicare will reimburse $879.21. No surgeon makes $50,000 as the President stated (in this youtube video). In fact, malpractice insurance can be 50K, sometimes more.
JJohn749 1 year ago
These 13 years of my life was dedicated to developing my mind so I could provide the best care possible. So how does our President describe my physician colleagues and I? He states that instead of doing what’s best for the patient, we look at reimbursements to decide patient care. He states we do unnecessary tonsillectomies for a “sore throat” to make money (youtube video: "Obama Doctors Taking Tonsils Out For Money).
JJohn749 1 year ago
As a doctor, I am extremely disappointed by President Obama’s statement that physicians perform unnecessary procedures/surgeries out of greed. My patients come first. When I made the decision to become a physician, I wanted to dedicate my time and life to providing the best and most compassionate care possible. After receiving a bachelors in science (4 years), I went to medical school (4 years) and residency (5 years).
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This video makes me absolutely irate! Our President does not know what the heck he is talking about! First of all, the average Medicare reimbursement for a foot amputation is 800 dollars! (By the way, Medicare pays 25% of what surgeons bill.) 50,000 dollars? Wow! He is just making surgeons hated by the uneducated public. In fact, the American Academy of Orhthopaedic Surgeons president wrote a letter to President Obama. It says...
ethanrdavis8 1 year ago
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This video makes me absolutely irate! Our President does not know what the heck he is talking about! First of all, the average Medicare reimbursement for a foot amputation is 800 dollars! (By the way, Medicare pays 25% of what surgeons bill.) 50,000 dollars? Wow! He is just making surgeons hated by the uneducated public. In fact, the American Academy of Orhthopaedic Surgeons president wrote a letter to President Obama. It says...
ethanrdavis8 1 year ago
Dear Mr. President:
I am writing to express our profound disappointment with your recent comments regarding the value of surgery and blurring the realities of physician
reimbursements .First, surgeons are neither reimbursed by Medicare, nor any provider for that matter, for foot amputations at rates anywhere close to $50,000, $40,000 or even $30,000. Medicare reimbursements to physicians for foot amputations range from approximately $700 to $1200.
ethanrdavis8 1 year ago
@ethanrdavis8 Dear ethanrdavis8. Your comment is contradictory, on one hand you say you do not get reimbursed by Medicare NOR any provider, and in your last statement you say that the reimbursements from Medicare are from 700 to 1200. so which is it, you either get reimbursed OR you dont !!!
meadowbrooke1 1 year ago
@meadowbrooke1 Because, for some reason, one of my comments was marked as spam, you do not see that the comment was an excerpt from a letter from the president of the American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons. It means that no provider, especially Medicare, pays anything close to $50,000. The average is 700 to 1200.
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ethanrdavis8 1 year ago
Becoming an M.D. is seen as the ultimate academic achievement. Doctors will always have more power than a government sticking its head into something it knows nothing about. Obama, doctors are too humble to say it, but you have no impact on their happiness other than adding unwanted regulations and protocol. You can never take away their ability to privatize, so quit trying now and focus on something important. Maybe the ECONOMY?
hatchert14 1 year ago
Obama is a fear monger , hate monger, war monger, and a LIAR.
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vechorik 3 months ago
You know many of will get cancer, diabetes, heart disease, liver conditions you name it. Nobody ever dies of natural causes, ever!
So for those of you only concerned about your own pocket, you won't be able to bring your money with you to Heaven.
Go back to making every program private and that would discriminate the poor. What gives you Americans the right to turn your face from your fellow Americans?
We are the only nation that does this, and no wonder Europe fukin hates us!
pluto4847 1 year ago
This is not the America I grew up in. The Conservatives sound really self centered and greedy. You know how disgusting it is for a Conservative to say, 'Well I am soory your daughter has cancer, but I'm not paying for it.' As if you are paying for it.
Hey, why don't we close down all social programs like the police, fire dept, and public schools than those greedy self centered Conservatives can afford more personal luxuries.
I'm an Independent myself, but the Republicans sound so greedy.
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pluto4847 1 year ago
This is what I propose.
A Cap on all medical practice salaries. Nothing too extreme, but they have been overpaid a lot of times.
I also propose that med students take on more patients that can't afford to be seen by senior doctors. What better way for med students to learn than to offer their services to those with not enough money for insurance.
Student hair stylists and student dentists offer their services for free or discounted rates, why not med students? I think that plan would work
pluto4847 1 year ago
@pluto4847 Why would you propose that? Doctors go through at least 15 years of school making close to nothing, and doctors don't make as much as people think? I know doctors that accept as little as $20 a month for balances of $2000. Doctor's aren't as greedy as you think. I believe you are proposing negative consequences for success.
ethanrdavis8 1 year ago
@ethanrdavis8
So you are telling me that if my bill came $2,000, the doctor would not deny me treatment, and he would accept $20 a month?
I'm not trying to be smart with you.
I get all worried about these things. I work hard too. I'm not a medical doctor, but I went through several years of college too.
Because of the recession, I took a lower paid job. I had to. I'd rather have some job than no job at all.
pluto4847 1 year ago
@pluto4847 Absolutely. Obviously not every doctor in the United States would be as kind. You work hard at your job. So would you like it if the government put a cap on your salary, but not on the amount you can get sued for if you make a mistake? You would probably be furious.
ethanrdavis8 1 year ago
I think doctors get paid too much. I propose a cap on all medical salaries. If you consider Volunteer fire fighters risk their lives on a daily basis for nothing in return than doctors like the police and fire fighters need to re-evaluate their career status.
Police make moderate to upper salaries with a lot of perks.
Doctors need to be a little bit more humble when it comes to humanity. Your jobs are important, but so are firemen and police officers. They never complain about money.
pluto4847 1 year ago
Or better yet, why dont the government pay for diabetes supplies like strips and lancets, so the diabetic can stay on top of his diabetes and dont end up with 50,000 dollar amputation bills..Whats more money?, insuline + supplies or Amputations..I am a perfect example 3 times over of this problem!!!
dasmackman 1 year ago
Social Security fraud, medicare, and medicaid fraud
now we have a new menace- "Greedy doctors" Oh my
Mr. President do you have any evidence or reports to back that up?
GovernmentSham912 1 year ago
OMG What is wrong with you MORONS! Obama never once says sergons choose amputation in order to make money NOT ONCE, nor does he say or imply anything like that. He's just saying that preventative care is a lot cheaper than emergency care. THAT"S IT! God I'm so sick of people twisting everything he says around he could say ANYTHING and you haters would make it into something else.
sinistar99 1 year ago
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Harvard is spelled with a capital H. Please make an assessment of your ability before you refer to anyone as qualifies as President Obama as a " fling idiot. " President Obama is trying to save all of our social security benefits through preventative programs that comsumes billions in medical expenditures. When you or your grandparents are suffering from preventable deadly illnesses, I think you might have a different view. Meanwhile, invest in a Webster's dictionary
alz123alz 1 year ago
harvard
oran6es 1 year ago
You harvard people have a superiority complex.
The rest of us see right through the smoke.
oran6es 1 year ago
gee
I never knew that was one of the biggest problems. Show me the reports or history of that happened.
lol
he really put his foot in his mouth against the doctors
GovernmentSham912 1 year ago
The cost of an amputation has been estimated at 50k. What's worse is that statiscally within 3 years half of those amputees will die. But they will not die peacefully in their sleep at home. They will make multiple trips back to the hospital and drive up the cost of the amputation further. DFUPS is a program that is a multidiciplinary approach to the prevention of foot ulcers and ultimately the prevention of amputations.
TONYDAVILA2008 1 year ago
Wow. It's scary how far Obama is off in this issue. As already posted, surgeons make between $700-1000 for an amputation. Surgery is always a last resort treatment.
Look around. The problem is that there are so many non-compliant diabetic and obese individuals that don't want to better their health and EXERCISE, but want their PCP to give them "a pill" for the issue.
I think a little more responsibility on the obese individual's part would go a long way here.
Drewbiedoo86 1 year ago 2
@Drewbiedoo86 He's not saying doctors are dishonest, he's saying that preventative care is less expensive than emergency care. People are reading in a lot of BS that just isn't there. Obama's not off at all.
sinistar99 1 year ago
i like obama...but i ll admit...he got it wrong here...
were455 2 years ago
Surgeon here, what we really need is a death panel......for career politicians.
Actual reimbursement for amputation $600 give or take.
(includes at least 90days post op visits). 20 $40 office visits is $800. Diabetics are NEVER encouraged to have an amputation if their limb is salvageable, DUH.
I am charged an arm and a leg for malpractice insurance($60k/yr) and pay an arm and a leg in taxes.
The point is........the patient is the priority, always, but chop down the surgeon.....fewer surgeons.
oran6es 2 years ago
Listen to this again people, the President is saying that it is cheaper to prevent a disease than to let it go so far that drastic procedures are necessary. That preventative medicine should be reimbursed.
This was presented as an example of something, notice that that part was removed.
Shame on whoever deliberately mistitled this clip.
veritasgoddess 2 years ago
This is absolute idiocy from our so-called brilliant president. Medicare reimburses
the surgeon about $1000 for this. Also, does he realize that the surgeons do not treat diabetics in the firstplace
joewatson12 2 years ago
He makes W look like Einstein.
nyteaparty 2 years ago
President Barack Obama received his B.A. degree in political science with specialization in international relationships from Columbia University, an ivy league member , Columbia University, ranked as 9th in the country. President Obama also graduated Jures Doctor, Magna Cum Laude from HARVARD LAW SCHOOL, where he served as President of the Harvard Lab Review. Harvard Law School is ranked the best Law School in America. You matriculate this academia before you assess someone as dumb.
alz123alz 2 years ago
We have some caring and brilliant doctors. I think it is shameful that we live in a society that STILL
saw peoples limbs off. Leg and foot amputations have increased over 300% in the last decade.
President Obama's remark just fail to indicate that this is the total cost for having this procedure done. Does anyone on here know EVERYTHING. I DON'T. But I know how to prevent leg and foot amputations based on peripheral vascular disease and the capillary exchanged process.
alz123alz 2 years ago
we dont all know EVERYTHING! but one should not address the american people with extremely incorrect facts in efforts to convince them we should follow along with his plans... i dont care how many times he went to harvard....he still sounds like a f'ing idiot!
shellygupta100 1 year ago
@shellygupta100 Which thing did he say that was wrong? The cost of an amputation IS between 30 and 70 thousand dollars. Look it up! No part of what he said was factually inaccurate. Unlike the right-wing spin on what he's saying which is pure BS.
sinistar99 1 year ago
How the heck do u have the time to talk about this crap???
get our troops home now!
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BrittPhillips 2 years ago
.....and remember Obamas spelled backwards is Samabo! ...especially all you Doctors cutting off peoples feet and tonsils unnecessarily.
trettin 2 years ago
The Communist propaganda is out of control. I am baffled and terrified how the leader of the free world is such a propagandist. He must know that anyone with half a brain will see right through this, so then who is the target of this drivel? Yes, let me see what he states. My DR is in collusion with a surgeon and is giving me bad advise or poor care to ensure I get out of control Diabetes and require a life saving amputation, all for profit. Does anyone actually believe this insanity?
MontyBullover 2 years ago
50k for an amputation is cheap.
And if you're getting bad advice from your Dr, get a different one.
LiveFreeLibertarian 2 years ago
Livefree - Not sure you got my comments. My Doctor is giving me good advice to avoid Diabetes and not participating in this lunatic conspiracy theory of Obamas. Still flabbergasted he said DR's are making sure you will need an amputation to make more money. This has to be fake. If not this man needs to be impeached. Hes nuts!!
MontyBullover 2 years ago
@MontyBullover
So is being protected from crime, communism? Why is social healthcare communism? The right to an education isn't.
pluto4847 1 year ago
@pluto4847 What in the world are you talking about? Read the post, stay with the facts and on topic son. AS hard as that might be for a liberal. We understand you liberals like to go off into your own la la land with totally disconnected comparisons when trying to discuss something. I guess you really don't have a choice with your ideologies being historically proven as tried and insane, you cant really stay logical can you. .
MontyBullover 1 year ago
@MontyBullover
I was once an ultra conservative, but through the years people were saying I was with the wrong party. I understand some people don't support the democrats on their agenda. For me personally, I think name like Nancy Pelosi, Barrack Obama, Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton are what this country needs.
As an American, you are welcome to agree to disagree.
pluto4847 1 year ago
@pluto4847 Your right. We are all free to disagree. Thank God (sorry I know you are liberal and it is fashionable for Liberals to be atheists) that Nov is right around the corner. When the conservatives take back the Congress and senate in Nov then we can stop being delusional and get back to producing and earning a living instead of taxing to death those who work to pay for those "disadvantaged" who do not. Not passing budgets and crushing the United States.
MontyBullover 1 year ago
@MontyBullover
If ever said I was a democrat? You can't judge a book by its cover. That's the problem with America.
I am a Moderate. I am pro-life, pro-healthcare, and pro working man, and I am especially in support of the disadvanged.
I think its arrogant to support a War in Iraq an d not help out Americans who are disadvanaged. You throw away your money in Afghanistan, but you don't want to help out fellow American?
You even misjudged me. I am not an aethist, I believe in God.
pluto4847 1 year ago
@MontyBullover
Are you also racist? Do you hate different races? Well we all know you condemn the disadvantage. If you had a child who was severely learning impaired, I bet you wouldn't be so quick to judge and condemn those far worse off than you.
Obama Care has passed into law now. Try repealing it. Try it, and you tell me what impact you republicans would make. You'll just cut all social programs. Than sometime when you lose your job, you'll be begging for help, but you won't get it!
pluto4847 1 year ago
@pluto4847 It is true, liberals are truly nuts. Throwing the race card out when someone disagrees with your schoolboy rhetoric. No you aren't a liberal - right! This discussion is over. You just showed your small IQ and that you are a racist by attempting to paint someone who disagrees with you as one
Disadvantaged and entitlements are very different. Did you play video games and drop out of school to have babies at 13? Should I pay for your life if you are just lazy and too good to work?
MontyBullover 1 year ago
@MontyBullover
You know you are treading on deep water! I swear if I hear one more word out of your mouth, I will prosecute you!
Now if you dare! If you dare try to respond and breathe down my back, I will place a ban on your correspondence, end of Story!
I've seen more of the world, and know more about it than you ever will. That is final! I've been outside America. I volunteered my time. So either put up or shut up! End of! Now I better not hear a word out of your fowl tongue!
pluto4847 1 year ago
@pluto4847 WOW. You call me racist. I don't like it and say some things and you flip out. I must have hit some nerves really hard. What exactly would you like to me to putup or shutup? Or is this something you just heard grownups say? Your the one who started playing the racism card. See you around, you are either 13 years old or completely whacked in the head. Try and get some decent lights in your moms basement. You will feel better.
MontyBullover 1 year ago
@MontyBullover
You know what stop sending your kid to public school. I'm not paying for his education. If a fuse breaks in your house, I'm not calling the fire department. That's not my problem.
If a burgerly invades your house, leave me out of it, I can't be asked to call the police to help you.
If you lose your job, don't apply for unemployment cos I'm not paying for it!
You think health is any different those causes. So your pro-life, but you won't save a cancer patient? Get real!
pluto4847 1 year ago
@pluto4847 You are talking drivel. You dont even understand how the taxation system works. When do you get out of school and maybe get a place of your own that isnt funded by mommy and daddy?
MontyBullover 1 year ago
@MontyBullover
You want to see my passport? You want to see it? I've been everywhere.
I've expanded my horizons way more than you had hot dinners!
It is you who are uneducated, and you are UnAmerican!
I also have several degrees to my name so before you judge, know who you are talking too. Now I'll let you off with a warning. Next time I hear any smart back talk out of your mouth, your correspondence will be banned! I will not respond!
pluto4847 1 year ago
@pluto4847 Who said you were uneducated numbnuts. I asked when you get out of school and maybe when you get a place of your own and you answer back with do you want to see my passport. Why shoudl I be impressed with vacations mommy and daddy paid for? Smart Back talk? What century are you from?
Next time don't start talking nonsense unless you are prepared for debate without name calling like you had to do as a child.
MontyBullover 1 year ago
10 visits at $75 each($750) is actually more costly than an amputation ($600 from medicare, includes many post op visits). I'm all for prevention 100%, but if you cut the surgeons any more, you'll have trouble finding any surgeons to do the procedure.
He's playing politics again: more primary care docs than surgeons, wants their support( a numbers game to him).
Never mind what's best for the patient.
oran6es 2 years ago
Wow, coming from a medical student, Obama is completely clueless! This is just shameful!
badger5566 2 years ago 2
As a surgeon, I don't amputate a leg then charge an arm and a leg. I do, however, pay an arm and a leg for malpractice insurance( $60,000/yr) and in annual income taxes. When the government amputates me year after year, it's a lot more than $40-50k.
oran6es 2 years ago 7
@oran6es YOur telling me YOU charge the patient and it has nothin do with the hospital charging them so what you pay taxes, so does everyone else. You want me to feel bad for you just because you do something everyone else does? Honestly, wah i pay taxes, when you make a hell of alot more then most people, if u can afford $60 000 a year then i gaurntee you make a hell of alot more than my entire family. Oh but i should feel bad for YOU, cuz just like US , you pay taxes?
canada4life1944 1 year ago
@canada4life1944 You shouldn't feel bad for me. My take-home pay after an amputation is around $150. If taxes and malpractice insurance continue to rise, feel bad for all patients, because there'll be a lot fewer surgeons to do the work.
oran6es 1 year ago
@oran6es Oh really, i come from a nation where the doctors work an a government salary, and the only shortage we have is the few doctors that get a medical degree in canada and then move to the states, preventive care would save the patient the money, but we should feel bad for you because you are only interested in making money, and not helping people?I would not want that kind of doctor, and im sure your not like that either.
canada4life1944 1 year ago
@canada4life1944 I help people every day. People from your country come to my country when they want the best medical care. C'est vrai. Don't feel bad for me, feel bad for your country's medical system.
oran6es 1 year ago
@oran6es
But as a surgeon, why do you do it? For the money? If you were a fire fighter risking your life money would not matter. Its the right thing to do. They don't charge people for saving their lives from fires, but doctors think its perfectly ok to deny treatment of someone who can't afford it.
And the police risk their lives everyday to save people from crime. Why can't doctors do that without dollar signs always flashing in their eyes?
U want to be a hero, save a life, not wealth
pluto4847 1 year ago
@oran6es
My friend, I mean you know insult. However, a lot of doctors have this superiority complex that scares patients away. I'm not saying you are like this. You're probably a great surgeon and I respect you.
But lets be frank, there are other professions as equally important as doctors. Volunteer Fire Fire fighters risk their lives for nothing to save a life.
Now if doctors could do the same, that would be wonderful.
To make Obama care work, we all need to pull together-u too.
pluto4847 1 year ago
@oran6es
"As a surgeon...I pay an arm and a leg for malpractice insurance ($60,000/yr) and in annual income taxes"
That's OK doc, you can easily afford it and still live much better than the rest of us. The median expected salary for a typical Surgeon in the United States is $301,892 and many exceed the $1 million mark every year. I have done a lot of remodeling work in doctor's houses and I've seen how you live and how your wives spend ridiculous amounts of money to indulge themselves.
CaneFu 10 months ago
@CaneFu Thankfully, my wife isn't one of those. After taxes that 301k is about 150k. Don't forget that the average surgeon's career START is at age 32-35. You're free to "live" like the rest of us. Go back to school, borrow triple figures, give up your young adult life for education and training. It's a free country(at least for now).
oran6es 10 months ago
@oran6es
"borrow triple figures....give up your young adult life..."
That's a bunch of crap. My cousin is a doctor & he never gave up his young adult life - he enjoyed himself quite a bit while a stripper shacked up with him during med school. Shortly after finishing his residency he built a new house.
At 55 years old with health problems & badly in need of surgery because I can't afford sky high health insurance caused by exorbitant medical costs - you are whining to the wrong person.
CaneFu 10 months ago
@CaneFu Funny how health care "reform" by Barry O has made insurance rates increase. Many physicians are dropping medicare as we speak. Looks like you're whining to the wrong person.
oran6es 10 months ago
@oran6es
I'm not the one doing the whining, YOU are. I'm just pointing out the fact that the U.S. health-care as it stands now is a completely corrupt and broken system. Obama was too weak to fix it and it will take someone stronger and more decisive - but our health-care system cannot be allowed to stand as it is.
You also seem to have a lot of free time to be able to reply to me day & night for being such a busy doctor who's supposed to be under such pressure. Go take care of your patients
CaneFu 10 months ago
@CaneFu
Woah kid, take a god damn chill pill. The root of this ENTIRE nation's problems is on THE PEOPLE. Nobody plans as they should. If you are not in the absolute best possible place for you to have children, you shouldn't. There goes sky high overpopulation rates. Badly in need of surgery. Hm wouldn't have happened if you PLANNED & SAVED. This country is in a sh*t hole because of sh*t head people who live in it. Obama misses the entire picture completely. You must start from the ground up.
salemwitch3 9 months ago
@salemwitch3
It isn't possible for the average person to plan and save for surgery you boob - quite frequently the unexpected happens and we can't save $100K for surgery while trying to pay for all the other necessities such as a modest roof over our heads and food on the table. Medical care simply costs too much - period.
CaneFu 9 months ago
@CaneFu well maybe if you take care of yourself, you wouldn't need MEDICAL CARE. Why do you think canadians live longer than americans? its because we eat unhealthy silly.
sniped101 7 months ago
@sniped101
I have lived a very healthy lifestyle with exercise and proper diet my entire life but sometimes shit just happens. You're a typical boob with his head in the sand..
CaneFu 7 months ago
@CaneFu yes, sometimes shit happens but thats just the "luck of the draw". For most people they increase their "luck of the draw" by not doing what you do. Do you see why?
sniped101 7 months ago
@sniped101
"by not doing what you do"
Oh, you mean by working hard my entire life, having a company I worked for that provided my health insurance go out of business, and then me becoming self-employed so i wouldn't have to be a welfare case and get free medical care? Is that what you mean by telling me I went wrong somewhere you fucking boob?
CaneFu 7 months ago
@sniped101
If you're a Canadian then you get FREE healthcare you fucking moron!!!
CaneFu 7 months ago
@CaneFu Ever heard of the "FREE LUNCH" myth? Ignorance is bliss eh? Look up milton friedman's free lunch myth if you dare.
sniped101 7 months ago
@sniped101
I'm not talking about a free lunch. Every Canadian pays $45 per month and gets first class healthcare, no waiting in lines, no waiting list. How do I know? I have relatives living there. Why do you think auto insurance is so cheap? Everyone has to pay into it, or they don't drive. Require every young healthy person to pay into health insurance that doesn't use it much & it becomes affordable for everyone. Every other industrialized country except the U.S. has a single payer system.
CaneFu 7 months ago
@CaneFu fuck you
chargers4ever9 9 months ago
@CaneFu Salary minus malpractice ins = 241k. frivolous lawsuits + time lost working, another 10-30k a year. Doctors aren't the problem. Hospital costs (Which people seem to think has something to do with Dr. Incomes and has none whatsoever) have skyrocketed due to over-regulation and hospitals' need to recoup costs for the uninsured. Insurance companies increase premiums and decrease payouts every year; It affects everyone. If you were good, you'd be remodeling private insurance CEOs' homes.
mdtizzle 5 months ago
@mdtizzle
All the more reason for a single payer system of health insurance for everyone.
CaneFu 5 months ago
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@CaneFu Well, we agree then.
However, we have the most incapable government in the western world to do so. Rather than tort reform and cutting costs at the administrative level, they go after physicians, the majority of whom could make more money in a different career (docs a pretty smart bunch).. 200k debt at 6 percent per year; Graduate med school to make 40k for 3-7 years, barely enough to pay the 12k in interest per year. Dr's deserve to do as well as the bloodsuckers making all these laws.
mdtizzle 5 months ago
@mdtizzle
Bullshit - my cousins a doctor, we grew up together, and I know the inside story. Even HE tells me doctors are way overpaid and he has given me exact numbers on what they pay him for different things - the money is obscene.
CaneFu 5 months ago
@CaneFu how much money?
1080portal 2 months ago
I have a doctors appointment tomorrow. I hope he wont amputate my foot for profit.
WorldlyMrB 2 years ago 2
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the president is right. you guys are ignorant.
tien714 2 years ago
your president is right when he says that preventive medicine should also be reimbursed. all doctors are taught that in med school. unfortunately the healthcare industry, particularly 3rd-party payors/insurers in the US does not recognize preventive medicine procedures as mainstream medicine, at least not enough to be reimbursible.
danielredona 2 years ago
Obama = Douche Nozzle
russ1951 2 years ago 2
Come on, keithwhitmer. Obama says, "the 30, 40, or $50,000 immediately the SURGEON is reimbursed." That is EXACTLY what the man said. In Dallas, to amputate a foot (CPT28800), Medicare pays the surgeon $549.27. That includes admission, surgery, post-surgical care, and 90 days of follow-up. If you add up all physician care, operating cost, and hospital reimbursement, it still does not come to $50,000. Embarrassing that the person advocating the overhauling of health care is so devoid of fact.
kenbryce25 2 years ago 2
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The headline on this is absolutely wrong. Look again and listen this time. He says "..why not make sure we are ALSO reimbursing the care that prevents the amputation?" Obama references the money because it is in fact costly to do the amputation and in fact not costly to do the preventative consultation. See? Money and limbs, saved. But only in the most cynical interpretation of that quote could you possibly come away with that headline.
keithwhitmer 2 years ago
Hmmm, still not smart enough to suffer buyer's remorse for supporting this repulsive COMMIE CLOWN, eh?
LMAO!
russ1951 2 years ago
You would expect better from the president, no?
ProbyOne 2 years ago
ah well lets see here... look at the context of the speech- he is comparing the cost of preventive care to surgical care.
he meant to say ""surgical reimburse ment " rather than " surgeon is reimbursed". 30,000 is a global fee, clearly it's an order of magnitude above what a surgeon would be paid.
btw- the cost of medical care is excessive because of trial lawyers, drug companies, medical device manufacturers, and insurance companies.// and yes, i am a surgeon...
bavg429 2 years ago
Exactly. we need tort reform as part of the solution. It is the #2 highest reason for outrageous medical costs.
keithwhitmer 2 years ago
whoaa!!! i am becoming an orthopaedic surgeon!!!! lol!!!
obama needs to get his facts right!!!!! Thats really embarrassing!!!
were455 2 years ago
Unbelievable! Our president is losing his crediblity. Reimbursement to a surgeon for an amputation and several follow visits is about $800. I would expect accuracy from our president. This underscores how ridiculous this situation is: a lawyer/community organizer who has never run a private business and is misinformed regarding surgical reimbursement is intent on overhauling our medical system. And the "47 million uninsured" is bogus.
jkrum 2 years ago
when he talks of improving the primary care to the point of preventing amputations he istalking about a big brother gov that has the power to deny fatty food to fat people....deny sugar to diabetics...deny anything to anyone they choose...you will have an id card and it will have all your info on it...you will have to produce this card to purchase anything at all...in no other context do his statements make any sense...HE ISNT THAT STUPID...or is he?
ggoblue 2 years ago
expert on everything no just arrogant .
fluffydolly 2 years ago
I'm a vascular surgeon. I get paid less than $1,000 for a major amputation (above or below the knee), and that includes a 90-day global. It's disappointing to see President Obama make such glaringly ignorant responses. I think he's out of his depth on this health policy initiative, and neither he nor House Speaker Pelosi truly understand the ramifications of their political decisions. It's a fine ideal to have health insurance for everyone, but they seem to be rushing through the process.
paustinmd 2 years ago 3
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Maybe they are rushing. But can you also agree that the right wing and the lobby for HC is simply trying to kill every idea, with lies? With this as their agenda what hope do have to fix this thing if we don't keep prodding this issue? Wouldn't you at least like to have your paperwork simplified and maybe tort reform? If so, get into the discussion and promote those ideas. Don't just sit there and say," what's the hurry?"
keithwhitmer 2 years ago
Shocking!!! I am an outright democrat but this is blasphemy. He has NO clue about how medicine works in the US. Surgeons getting $30-50,000/amputation? Is he smoking pot? I thought we had had enough of these moronic statements from Palin and Bush but Obamas ignorance is shocking. Sad that Obama turned out to be so ignorant on the health front that he is trying to overhaul with such enthusiasm.
PakiGI 2 years ago
This is B.S.! Primary care physicians already do their best to practice preventive medicine, yet patients choose not to follow their advice. Further, surgeons receive anywhere from $800 to $1000 for an amputation, and this includes all preoperative and postoperative care. This is a far cry from the $30,000 to $50,000 that Obama claims is paid to the surgeon. Maybe he should check his facts before shooting off at the mouth. I am a surgeon. I know the facts.
harricfive 2 years ago 7
Obama is trying to make the point that the health system needs to be changed to focus on preventative care. If our health system made sure that every American received preventative medical care, we would save billions of dollars. The majority of health care dollars are currently spent providing end-of-life care. If we can help people and provide care BEFORE they become critically ill, the savings would be remarkable! Obama is not criticizing PCPs- he is saying they should be reimbursed better!
cruz2171 2 years ago
Obama's statement here is an insult to every family physician out there. They work hard to manage diabetes correctly, but ultimately, it is the patient who must take his pills and put down the twinkies. All doctors, surgeons and primary care docs alike, view an amputation as a last resort and a failure. They are already reimbursed at the bare minimum. Find a way to reward patient compliance, but don't act like the family docs are underpaid slackers. They are underpaid, but are not slackers.
mlcsurgery 2 years ago 4
his arrogance/ignorance is shocking.
madbradwilson 2 years ago 4
he is an absolute idiot!!! i get less than 800 dollars for an amputation.
iweber 2 years ago 4
Actually, 20 office visits at $50-$60 each is more expensive than paying the surgeon for an amputation( $680).
Let's save some real money:
Eliminate dept. of education ($480 billion/yr budget)
Turn back megabank bailouts for $800 billion.
Turn back stimulus, cut taxes($1 trillion). Imagine economic stimulus if money not taken away in the 1st place.
At least a 10% tax on ALL personal injury claims(a real societal drain).
Preventive care is already stressed and compensated for.
oran6es 2 years ago 4
Oh, but you're mistaken, amputations costs 30, 40k, 50k! Where does this guy get his information, it's ridiculous what the crap that comes out of this guy's mouth.
achang34 2 years ago
you guys do realize that he's not saying that anybody chooses surgery instead of preventative care, right? he's saying the gov't reimburses more for the surgery than it does to prevent the surgery. EVERYBODY INVOLVED would like to avoid the surgery, so why not spend more to avoid it? that's the point of the comment, not to say surgeons are greedy bastards and doctors don't care about their patients.
fathomgames 2 years ago
Ummm...OBAMA, GET YOUR INFO STRAIGHT!!! IT COSTS ABOUT 700 DOLLARS! NOT 40K YOU ITDIOT!!!
WolfUnited1 2 years ago 4
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He is actually wrong here, but there is no doubt that doctors are nasty money hungry capitalists who can't give a shit about their patients. I challenge u to find me one who isnt this way, u will be looking for a loooooong time
lycrahoofie 2 years ago
Actually, I spend nearly 12 hours a day seeing patient's in the hospital for a fraction of what I should get paid. And I spend so much time in the hospital because I love seeing and taking care of my patients. Before you make a comment like this, you should ask yourself if YOU know what are talking about. If you would like to come and join me at work sometime I would be happy to show you first hand.
CubbyMD 2 years ago 9
@CubbyMD Dear Mr Doctor, I would be concerned to come to see you. Your comment is contradictory. You say that you do not get reimbursed for amputation but in the same breath you say that you do, so do you or do you not?
meadowbrooke1 1 year ago
My doctor cares about me. He subsicred me a medicne that nearly saved my life.
WolfUnited1 2 years ago 2
Obama is so mercilessly full of shit and painfully misinformed that it's pathetic. No surgeon does foot amputations because they pay well - the reimbursement for a foot amputation is terrible, about $750 which includes preop and post-op care and follow up for one year. It is not an operation that ANY surgeon wants to do - it is a last resort to prevent sepsis from a gangrenous limb. I know this as a surgery residents. Obama is propagating lies in order to push a potentially dangerous agenda.
jarodmc 2 years ago 5
@jarodmc Obama NEVER SAID sergons pick amputations because they pay well! He's just saying they are more expensive than preventative care that's all. Not once does he say anything about sergons picking anything.
And honestly where can I get any kind of sergury for $750? That's not even enough to pay for 1 day in the hospital! An Ambulance ride costs more than that. Where are you getting your numbers from?
sinistar99 1 year ago
Both the doctors AND the insurance companies are evil capitalists. The Obamamessiah has come to save us all.
scola91660 2 years ago
wait were u being sarcastic? i'm not sure
nygiants93 2 years ago
Obama is an incredible clown. He whines about all the "misinformation" that is getting circulated. Does this moron listen to himself? Medicare reimbursement for a foot amputation is under $1000.00. Did anyone out there send this video to the White House flag email.
scola91660 2 years ago 4
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People's issues are private they say, and that is true regarding religious beliefs but is not true about social issues as for example justice, the environment and health care. Those are things the people themselves need to address and solve with government in their side. And that is what Obama meant, and what the right dreads because their hold of power would be compromised.
There is no greater measure of the failure of a system as when people are cynical and mistrusting about that system.
MinnieluvsAJ 2 years ago
I think people should demand that the president and congress should put the brakes on this bill. They need to get their acts together and try again. I would prefer they succeed. But this is just based on missinformation.
charlesvan13 2 years ago
I kind of feel bad for Obama. With this and some other comments it's clear that he doesn't know what he's talking about.
This bill is a massive undertaking, but it's based on fiction.
He said in MT "we can cut costs by 2/3 by ellimating waste." That is a grose, grose overestimate.
This is why people are upset. He's either lying, or he expects major cuts in health benefits.
charlesvan13 2 years ago
You shouldn't feel sorry for him for not knowing what he's talking about. He's arrogant, has no humility, and doesn't care whether he knows what he's talking about. Save your tears for the people who will suffer as a result of that kind of man being in a position to affect their lives.
7beers 2 years ago
Great: demonize the surgeon for making $680 for convincing the patient to choose between limb loss and severe illness and death, to remove their limb, and to follow-up said patient.
Glorify the phD that harvests, divides young humans into separate parts, grows them in separate dishes for months and years, throwing BILLIONS of $ into a research program, the success of which will be defined by how successful the young of our species can be cannibalized by others.
oran6es 2 years ago 2
I almost feel bad for Obama with this. This and the tonsle anecdote show that he doesn't know what he's talking about.
That's BS that american doctors are so lacking ethics that they would perform major surgery just for profit.
They refer patients to a specialist for surgery so he would have to be getting a kickback. That's totally illega.
charlesvan13 2 years ago
Mr. Obama will have to start controlling the food per person. Calorie rationing to families to maintain weight and forestall diabetes. Or mandatory exercise classes to get your food coupon. Big Brother? Tax the wage earners to pay for the program.
chimpchop1 2 years ago
ive been in the health care field for 40 years and it is not broken. if you think that you can force people to live what a bunch of beurocrats believe is a healthy life style forget it. people wont give up their self destructive ways. you try telling a lower socio/economic nurses aide that her kid should not be doing very risky stunts on a skate board and see what happens.
carryitaround 2 years ago
I am appalled at the inaccuracy of Mr. Obama's $20K, $30, $50K amounts none of which are near accurate but he slings around for the "effect" that doctors are so overpaid,
As a vascular surgeon, the FACTS are: Medicare allowable for a below knee amputation(CPT code 27880) is $865 of which the surgeon gets reimbursed about $680 by medicare. This includes the procedure, all hospital care and all followup care for 90 days, a far cry from his grandiose remarks. Scarey.
chimpchop1 2 years ago 2
The 30K figure is likely the entire bill for the procedure--the doctor's fee and the hospital bill for the recovery, the aftercare, etc. The point that has been lost on all of you retards is that preventative care, which is not collectivized in the current mo