Another interesting fact about Grant is as a boy, Grant had his head examined at a county fair and is told that he will someday become president of the United States.
Ulysses S. Grant owned slaves. As a Union General, he believed he was above the law.
Robert E. Lee, owned NO slaves. Lee's wife opened an illegal school for black children to learn. Grants wife? Owned slaves just like her hypocrite piece of shit husband. To hell with Lincoln, Sherman, Grant, and the rest of the Union.
It was a different time 150 years ago--slaves were owned bu mostly rich plantation owners but some yankees owned them as well--just like cattle---Most yankees --especially in rural area in the north had never even seen a black person--My family owned some slaves but thats the way it was back in that day--The problem was having children by them!!--obama babies still make me sick--because I don't believe the races should mix---I'm a racist--So FUCKING WHAT---Get over it--It's history now-
@rebel2276 You're so right. SteamBoatLoads has more accounts than a five dollar whore and who acutally thinks he's got someone other than himself fooled. To label him an educated idiot would be kind.
@FastPonyGT What he will do is log in and out of his 50 sock accounts and make it look like, tons of people gave me to many "Negative votes". In reality, it is Mark up to his old tricks. His main account is "RonPaulHatesBlacks". That is the mother ship of all his fake sock accounts. Click is screen name and look at his "Friends", half are just himself, lol. As Mark told me last year, he has mental health issues. I would just ignore him, don't feed the troll.
@FastPonyGT If you scroll down on one of his posts, he will type that "Lee had white babies with his slaves". That is odd to have "White babies" with a black female. So of course when I asked for source on that, he had nothing and then turned around and denied he even wrote that. The only source or book he has ever read is Elizabeth Pryor's book, "Reading the man". He just went on google books and copied small parts of it. What is laughable out of all of it, is he retired and moved down to Texas
The U.S.S. Wanderer is the last documented ship to bring a cargo of slaves from Africa to the United States (on November 28, 1858). Stories of subsequent mass landings of slaves have been told, but are in dispute.
When the Wanderer reached Jekyll Island, Georgia from Africa, approximately 409 of the enslaved Africans had survived.
Get your facts straight. Right after Grant married Julia Dent, her father gave Grant some slaves. Within a month Grant gave them freedom and 5 dollars.
@OldVoice Throughout Grant's memoirs, written after his presidency and as his health deteriorated, you see that his attitude toward the black race was sympathetic and kindly... as was his later attitude toward the Indian nation. Grant came from a family that was strongly abolishionist... I doubt if Dent would have 'given' William Jones to Grant if your interpretation was a fact...
yes, let's see, in 1863 grant, lincoln, sherman, sheridan opened up the war to attacks on innocent women, children and old men (of all colors); and then after the war the genocidal attempts were continued on the indian tribes. how sweet sympathetic and kindly gives you such a warm fuzzy feeling (please pass the barf bag)
Ledpenny I am a Confederate (SCV member) and you are a proud northerner. I salute you for staying with the facts. History happened the way it happened. History does not change because of our attitudes or feelings. Grant did what he thought was right. What Lee did, he did because he thought it was right. We could use you Lebpenny on the southern side. You ever think about joining the south, we will take you in.
@todddoom ...I thank you for the visit and friendly 'welcome'. As you state, all of us are observers and results of history. When one studies the centuries before us and the hopes of the future we anticipate improved intelligence, development of studied and well placed kindnesses to others, and working cooperatively together to improve the human experience. Accurate knowledge of the past becomes our apparatus for measurement of this progress.
Lee tortured young girls. Lee paid six times his normal bounty for the return of one slave girl in particular according to his own hand written notes. Lee's own account books show this. Lee paid SIX TIMES his normal bounty for the capture of a young girl, and the girl's white looking baby.
We have written testimony that Lee then had the girl tortured -- while Lee screamed at her.
what a bunch of idiots making shit up lol... robert e lee freed all his slaves in 1860 long before the war... grant never freed his slaves his wife did in 1865 after the thirteenth amendment...good ole uselessys had many slaves this video is based on bullshit and not on fact at all...
You should cite your sources of information if they are not mere cult lunacy. Mine are based on recorded history and Grant's own memoirs edited by Samuel Clements and multitudes of HONEST HISTORIANS.
@CanadianDominion lol dude they're not making this up. lees slaves where freed after his prantation was made into a national cemitary. before she married him, grants wife's family owned slaves. grant had one for a while, and he was actually like, part of the family. they released him before the civil war. lee, did not release his slaves
@TheBoberton that is the fiction Mack Lee, who never existed. Some guy in 1910 or so, claimed he was Lee's slave during the war. Fucking moron, we know who Lee's slaves were during the war. Lee wrote about them, there were three, Lawrence was one of them. No Mack Lee was ever in Lee's papers, never mentioned by the family, etc.
Lee's papers show, in Lee's own handwriting, that Lee was still offering SIX TIMES his normal bounty for the return of young girls, who he tortured.
@DonMeaker yes, and Lee also tortured slave girls, and sold the white looking babies.
Far from being one of the "good slave owners" Lee was an especially cruel slave owner. His slaves detested him, according to Elizabeth Pryor, a Lee expert -- and a Lee admirerer. Pryor herself admits Lee tortured slave girls, but said it was because of Lee's "poor cross cultural communciation skills" !!!
@CanadianDominion No dumb fuck, Lee was still renting his slaves out during the civil war.
He also tortured girls as young as 13-14 who ran away. WHy did they run away? Apparently because Lee was selling their babies. Lee regularly sold the children born to his slaves, because he could not sell the slaves themselves, due to the will. But the will said nothing about selling the babies, so he did.
@CanadianDominion I hope you have read a book or two in the last few months. Grant freed his one slave in 1859. Julia Grant's slaves were freed by 1863. In 1865 they returned to ask that she give them papers so they could participate in the "40 acres and a mule" program. Those are the facts, however you have the right to your own opinion, even if that opinion is wrong.
Yeah, Lee do some whippin' back in the days; let's see: there was McClellan at the Seven Pines, McClellan again during the Seven Days battles, both Pope AND Burnsides at 2nd Manassas, Burnside at Fredericksburg, and Joseph T. Hooker at Chancellorsville.
So Grant never bought a slave -- someone gave him title to a slave, and Grant freed him.
Big difference to Lee -- who regularly whipped slaves, stripping them naked first. Did Lee do what his Daddy did? Rape slaves, ,then sell his own children from the rapes for profit?
Probably -- what the fuck would stiop Lee from raping slaves? he whipped them, he sold their children anyway? Why not sell his own children from rape - that was very customary and profitable for Southern Scum.
Although I could find no supported evidence that Lee mistreated slaves, these accusations are probably true, It has taken the human race a long time so far to quit hating people for their ancestral backgrounds, as evidenced by some comments on this communication device. One day, may intelligence reign!
What?? You can find "no supported" evidence Lee mistreated slaves? Well maybe you are reading the pure crap put out by the slavers and their apologist.
That's like reading Hitler to see if he admits to killing Jewih children.
Read the actual testimony of Lee's slaves.
How the fuck do you have slaves and not mistreat them? He whipped them -- naked. He sold the "excess of the womb". So someone whips your ass and sells your child -- and thats not abuse?
You hostile bastards with an ax to grind and no brain cells should stay out of historical discussions wherein people of quality are attempting to learn. Conclusion-jumping just because something is printed is not intelligence, it is ignorant stupidity.
People with realizations of their own inferiority have need to employ shock talk and anger to make their blunted point. I advise you see a psychiatrist before you hurt yourself or someone innocent...
my, my don't you have a bad case of pottymouth; must see you psychiatrist before you hurt someone with you idiotic beliefs in the lies of your yankee myths.
@LEDPENNY You can hate someone, or even a lot of people and liven along them for a very long time.
Liberals and conservatives do this everyday.Remember that love and hate are closely related.
You perhaps shouldn't wish that hate may disappear, for love won't survive either. With regards to Lee mistreating his slaves, I let you conjecture what you feel like.
I just think that some people may treat their children, wive, relatives much worse than some slave owners did with their slaves.
I like you. Even though I have never meet you and your as Yankee as it gets I like you. I will admit, it was not Lincoln or Grants plan but without the south loosing the war and the north gaining control of the southern states governments it would have taken longer to end slavery. At the same time had the south never seceded the south would have not lost those votes and I don't think the north would have ever had the votes to end slavery. It would have had to end on it's own.
Nicely done, Grant may not have like owning a slave but he didn't mind sending the Army of the Potomac into the meat grinder known as the Army of Norther Virgina. Some of my Ancestors were in the Army of Northern Virgina and I am proud of them.
Hey, thanks for the visit. There is no reason not to feel pride in our ancestral participation in our country's history. Without the war, it would have taken decades to legislate out of existence the crime of slavery.
Another interesting fact about Grant is as a boy, Grant had his head examined at a county fair and is told that he will someday become president of the United States.
AUG351 2 months ago
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"If I thought this war was to abolish slavery, I would resign my commission and offer my sword to the other side."
-Ulysses S. Grant
360Nomad 3 months ago
Ulysses S. Grant owned slaves. As a Union General, he believed he was above the law.
Robert E. Lee, owned NO slaves. Lee's wife opened an illegal school for black children to learn. Grants wife? Owned slaves just like her hypocrite piece of shit husband. To hell with Lincoln, Sherman, Grant, and the rest of the Union.
Deo Vindice.
MarbReb 3 months ago
bunch of racist mother fuckers on youtube here. Bigot mother fuckers go eat shit and die.
AForkSpoon 7 months ago
grant fought so the union could own the entire south as slaves...to hell with the union
longfootbuddy 7 months ago
the south almost voted to abolish slavery, but 3 states wanted to wait until the end of the war to abolish it. just thought id mention that...
aarondavis2012 8 months ago
@aarondavis2012
Nonsense, it was UNCONSTITUTIONAL for the CSA to abolish slavery. It was de-facto impossible for a CSA STATE to abolish slavery.
livingwill1 3 months ago
It was a different time 150 years ago--slaves were owned bu mostly rich plantation owners but some yankees owned them as well--just like cattle---Most yankees --especially in rural area in the north had never even seen a black person--My family owned some slaves but thats the way it was back in that day--The problem was having children by them!!--obama babies still make me sick--because I don't believe the races should mix---I'm a racist--So FUCKING WHAT---Get over it--It's history now-
Goldclaw837 8 months ago
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SteamboatPolar is RonPaulHatesBlacks and his other 50 sock accounts on YouTube. You can tell it is him, because he just types the same crap.
rebel2276 11 months ago
@rebel2276 You're so right. SteamBoatLoads has more accounts than a five dollar whore and who acutally thinks he's got someone other than himself fooled. To label him an educated idiot would be kind.
FastPonyGT 9 months ago
@FastPonyGT What he will do is log in and out of his 50 sock accounts and make it look like, tons of people gave me to many "Negative votes". In reality, it is Mark up to his old tricks. His main account is "RonPaulHatesBlacks". That is the mother ship of all his fake sock accounts. Click is screen name and look at his "Friends", half are just himself, lol. As Mark told me last year, he has mental health issues. I would just ignore him, don't feed the troll.
rebel2276 9 months ago
@FastPonyGT If you scroll down on one of his posts, he will type that "Lee had white babies with his slaves". That is odd to have "White babies" with a black female. So of course when I asked for source on that, he had nothing and then turned around and denied he even wrote that. The only source or book he has ever read is Elizabeth Pryor's book, "Reading the man". He just went on google books and copied small parts of it. What is laughable out of all of it, is he retired and moved down to Texas
rebel2276 9 months ago
You are correct Ledpenny. Grant only owned one slave. Julia's slaves were freed in 1863.
Deej1125 1 year ago
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The U.S.S. Wanderer is the last documented ship to bring a cargo of slaves from Africa to the United States (on November 28, 1858). Stories of subsequent mass landings of slaves have been told, but are in dispute.
When the Wanderer reached Jekyll Island, Georgia from Africa, approximately 409 of the enslaved Africans had survived.
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canaydemedian 1 year ago
Get your facts straight. Right after Grant married Julia Dent, her father gave Grant some slaves. Within a month Grant gave them freedom and 5 dollars.
OldVoice 1 year ago
@OldVoice Throughout Grant's memoirs, written after his presidency and as his health deteriorated, you see that his attitude toward the black race was sympathetic and kindly... as was his later attitude toward the Indian nation. Grant came from a family that was strongly abolishionist... I doubt if Dent would have 'given' William Jones to Grant if your interpretation was a fact...
LEDPENNY 1 year ago
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@LEDPENNY
yes, let's see, in 1863 grant, lincoln, sherman, sheridan opened up the war to attacks on innocent women, children and old men (of all colors); and then after the war the genocidal attempts were continued on the indian tribes. how sweet sympathetic and kindly gives you such a warm fuzzy feeling (please pass the barf bag)
pmcclaren1 1 year ago
@OldVoice acutally Grant didn't free any slaves until he was forced to after the war
Mctaggart6412 1 year ago
Ledpenny I am a Confederate (SCV member) and you are a proud northerner. I salute you for staying with the facts. History happened the way it happened. History does not change because of our attitudes or feelings. Grant did what he thought was right. What Lee did, he did because he thought it was right. We could use you Lebpenny on the southern side. You ever think about joining the south, we will take you in.
todddoom 1 year ago
@todddoom ...I thank you for the visit and friendly 'welcome'. As you state, all of us are observers and results of history. When one studies the centuries before us and the hopes of the future we anticipate improved intelligence, development of studied and well placed kindnesses to others, and working cooperatively together to improve the human experience. Accurate knowledge of the past becomes our apparatus for measurement of this progress.
LEDPENNY 1 year ago
@todddoom Lee did what he thought was right?
Lee tortured young girls. Lee paid six times his normal bounty for the return of one slave girl in particular according to his own hand written notes. Lee's own account books show this. Lee paid SIX TIMES his normal bounty for the capture of a young girl, and the girl's white looking baby.
We have written testimony that Lee then had the girl tortured -- while Lee screamed at her.
Then Lee sold her white looking baby.
THat is Lee.
SteamboatPolar 1 year ago
what a bunch of idiots making shit up lol... robert e lee freed all his slaves in 1860 long before the war... grant never freed his slaves his wife did in 1865 after the thirteenth amendment...good ole uselessys had many slaves this video is based on bullshit and not on fact at all...
nice fantasy though.
CanadianDominion 1 year ago
You should cite your sources of information if they are not mere cult lunacy. Mine are based on recorded history and Grant's own memoirs edited by Samuel Clements and multitudes of HONEST HISTORIANS.
LEDPENNY 1 year ago 2
@CanadianDominion lol dude they're not making this up. lees slaves where freed after his prantation was made into a national cemitary. before she married him, grants wife's family owned slaves. grant had one for a while, and he was actually like, part of the family. they released him before the civil war. lee, did not release his slaves
shapeworkstudios1 1 year ago
@shapeworkstudios1
sonofthesouth(DOT)net/leefoundation/lees slave(DOT)htm
The slave that Lee owned during the war said that the ones at the Arlington home were freed before the war.
TheBoberton 1 year ago
@TheBoberton that is the fiction Mack Lee, who never existed. Some guy in 1910 or so, claimed he was Lee's slave during the war. Fucking moron, we know who Lee's slaves were during the war. Lee wrote about them, there were three, Lawrence was one of them. No Mack Lee was ever in Lee's papers, never mentioned by the family, etc.
Lee's papers show, in Lee's own handwriting, that Lee was still offering SIX TIMES his normal bounty for the return of young girls, who he tortured.
SteamboatPolar 1 year ago
@CanadianDominion Sorry, Lee filed his will in a different county to hide his ownership of his slaves from his family.
DonMeaker 1 year ago
@DonMeaker yes, and Lee also tortured slave girls, and sold the white looking babies.
Far from being one of the "good slave owners" Lee was an especially cruel slave owner. His slaves detested him, according to Elizabeth Pryor, a Lee expert -- and a Lee admirerer. Pryor herself admits Lee tortured slave girls, but said it was because of Lee's "poor cross cultural communciation skills" !!!
SteamboatPolar 1 year ago
@CanadianDominion No dumb fuck, Lee was still renting his slaves out during the civil war.
He also tortured girls as young as 13-14 who ran away. WHy did they run away? Apparently because Lee was selling their babies. Lee regularly sold the children born to his slaves, because he could not sell the slaves themselves, due to the will. But the will said nothing about selling the babies, so he did.
Learn real history.
SteamboatPolar 1 year ago
@CanadianDominion I hope you have read a book or two in the last few months. Grant freed his one slave in 1859. Julia Grant's slaves were freed by 1863. In 1865 they returned to ask that she give them papers so they could participate in the "40 acres and a mule" program. Those are the facts, however you have the right to your own opinion, even if that opinion is wrong.
Deej1125 11 months ago
Yeah, Lee do some whippin' back in the days; let's see: there was McClellan at the Seven Pines, McClellan again during the Seven Days battles, both Pope AND Burnsides at 2nd Manassas, Burnside at Fredericksburg, and Joseph T. Hooker at Chancellorsville.
SouthernerSince79 2 years ago
Now then, as I recall, the Nazis won a lot of battles in the early days of their war, too, but none of them are my heroes.
LEDPENNY 2 years ago
Yeah, and the Colts led the Super Bowl at halftime. That final scoreboard's a bitch, huh?
RonPaulHatesBlacks 2 years ago
So Grant never bought a slave -- someone gave him title to a slave, and Grant freed him.
Big difference to Lee -- who regularly whipped slaves, stripping them naked first. Did Lee do what his Daddy did? Rape slaves, ,then sell his own children from the rapes for profit?
Probably -- what the fuck would stiop Lee from raping slaves? he whipped them, he sold their children anyway? Why not sell his own children from rape - that was very customary and profitable for Southern Scum.
SteamboatPolar 2 years ago
Although I could find no supported evidence that Lee mistreated slaves, these accusations are probably true, It has taken the human race a long time so far to quit hating people for their ancestral backgrounds, as evidenced by some comments on this communication device. One day, may intelligence reign!
LEDPENNY 2 years ago
What?? You can find "no supported" evidence Lee mistreated slaves? Well maybe you are reading the pure crap put out by the slavers and their apologist.
That's like reading Hitler to see if he admits to killing Jewih children.
Read the actual testimony of Lee's slaves.
How the fuck do you have slaves and not mistreat them? He whipped them -- naked. He sold the "excess of the womb". So someone whips your ass and sells your child -- and thats not abuse?
It's abuse dumb ass.
12FlyMe 2 years ago
You hostile bastards with an ax to grind and no brain cells should stay out of historical discussions wherein people of quality are attempting to learn. Conclusion-jumping just because something is printed is not intelligence, it is ignorant stupidity.
LEDPENNY 2 years ago
ax to grind my fucking ass.I tell the truth. You pussy fucking foot around.
Lee whipped slaves and sold children. Fact. Idiots like you say shit like " I find no suppor that he "mistreated" slaves"
What the FUCK do you call whipping dumb fuck? What the fuck do you call terrorizing dumb fuck?
Its because of shit heads like you that cover up the truth, that evil bastards like slavers can get their shit done.
SteamboatPolar 2 years ago
People with realizations of their own inferiority have need to employ shock talk and anger to make their blunted point. I advise you see a psychiatrist before you hurt yourself or someone innocent...
LEDPENNY 2 years ago
@SteamboatPolar
my, my don't you have a bad case of pottymouth; must see you psychiatrist before you hurt someone with you idiotic beliefs in the lies of your yankee myths.
pmcclaren1 1 year ago
@LEDPENNY You can hate someone, or even a lot of people and liven along them for a very long time.
Liberals and conservatives do this everyday.Remember that love and hate are closely related.
You perhaps shouldn't wish that hate may disappear, for love won't survive either. With regards to Lee mistreating his slaves, I let you conjecture what you feel like.
I just think that some people may treat their children, wive, relatives much worse than some slave owners did with their slaves.
061369317 1 year ago
I like you. Even though I have never meet you and your as Yankee as it gets I like you. I will admit, it was not Lincoln or Grants plan but without the south loosing the war and the north gaining control of the southern states governments it would have taken longer to end slavery. At the same time had the south never seceded the south would have not lost those votes and I don't think the north would have ever had the votes to end slavery. It would have had to end on it's own.
todddoom 2 years ago
Nicely done, Grant may not have like owning a slave but he didn't mind sending the Army of the Potomac into the meat grinder known as the Army of Norther Virgina. Some of my Ancestors were in the Army of Northern Virgina and I am proud of them.
todddoom 2 years ago
Hey, thanks for the visit. There is no reason not to feel pride in our ancestral participation in our country's history. Without the war, it would have taken decades to legislate out of existence the crime of slavery.
LEDPENNY 2 years ago