Why the "but the audience liked it!" argument isn't a persuasive aesthetic argument

[KDaltonIrish]

The crowd reaction in UWFi are something to behold. Those sort of " pops " are like the icing on an already fucking superb cake! The ROH crowds can tend to be far to loud. Sometimes all a match needs is some silence to add tension. Good vid

[DanielTalksPuroresu]

@KDaltonIrish Yeh the UWF-I crowds were great - so many knowledgeable spectators that would respond to all the little details. The early pancase crowds were great as well (probably a lot of the same sorts of folks!) and they were often dead silent - you could hear the wrestlers breathing!

[Kocosports]

TNA does force Universal Studios employees to watch and tell them how to be planted fans.

[DanielTalksPuroresu]

@Kocosports "TNA does force Universal Studios employees to watch and tell them how to be planted fans"

Wow... I've got.. nothing... o_0

[bigratthreeten]

I meant that wrestlers are trained to work a crowd with the one "pop" being the finish and getting them to buy into the match. Not necessarily to get them jumping every 5 seconds. You were right in that I did not fully understand your aesthetic viewpoint. I 100% understand how you view matches now and I thought this video was tremendous. You clarified your position very well and I really can not provide a counter-response. Great job once again man. Thanks again for the response

[DanielTalksPuroresu]

@bigratthreeten Brilliant! Glad you liked it :)

[KingAndy1992]

I don't think a good crowd reaction necessarily means a match is good, but a bad crowd reaction usually means a match is bad, assuming the wrestlers are performing in front of their usual fans.

[puromark09]

i wont pretend to understand all of your video but u gotta admit that a good crowd is a massivley better crowd than a bad one, yeah? it makes it feel more epic

[DanielTalksPuroresu]

@puromark09 Of course! But the thing is, whether or not a crowd likes a match and their reaction to it are neither qualifying nor disqualifying criteria for a match being good. Basically, it's only part of the picture! :)

Also, some crowds are dead silent but are super-in-love with the match. You see that a lot in shoot-style.

[iceflame7777]

A good crowd response can certainly help you enjoy a match more, but some crowds are awful to the point where the match comes of worst than it is, watching a CMLL or AAA show where the match is average but the crowd go wild for someone flying over the top rope for the umpteenth time can get annoying (though not as annoying as those damn air horns).

[DanielTalksPuroresu]

@jb0609 "Would you call a match with no crowd reactions a bad match?"

Maybe yes; maybe no. o_0

[DanielTalksPuroresu]

@jb0609 That observation makes sense... but I'm not sure what your point is. And what relevance that has to anything in this video. The old "ok... so what?" question applies.

[DanielTalksPuroresu]

@jb0609 "Great", not off the top of my head. But there are a lot of good matches played out to polite applause. It's also entirely irrelevant. Why? Correlation =/= causation. It's also not the argument that I made in the video.