This only makes it worse for you die hard secessionists. It was obvious that Lincoln would have been open to negotiation. Thank God your knucklehead ancestors fired on Ft. Sumter. They would rather wreck the nation than compromise. If those dopes had won the Confederacy would have destroyed itself, and America would have been permanently wounded. Lincoln eventually saw the truth and realized he must end slavery. As it was your vicious predecessors instituted 100 years of apartheid.
First, Lincoln said and to paraphrase, if you CAN shake off the old form of Governement and make a new one, then that is your right...the Confederacy tried, thought they could and COULDN"T shake off the old form of Governement....and second, you cant judge Lincoln or anybody from the 18th century on racism with 21st century eyes...cuz 97% was a racist back then, even many abolotionist.
No matter the so-called reason/s to justify the civil war, all are wrong. You cannot justify the killing of 600,000 men. Can you imagine that happening today in this country. What were those folks thinking. And most believed God was on their side.
No need to agrue. Quote piled on top of quote. Anyone who is reasonable can clearly see the true cause of the "Civil War". Just read them over and over.
@civilwarcow lol oh and would you like the stats on racism in the north today ?? right now ?? and NOT 100 yrs ago ?? might surprise you..... and as usual - northerners have not a clue about southerners - we are not all KKK members -- do YOU even know HOW the KKK came about and why ???
Lincoln speaketh with forked tongue. He said what people wanted to hear to climb the political ladder of success even riding on Douglas' coat tails to get national recognition not from his own merit but by public debates to gain attention to himself. "A first rate second rate man" Wendell Phillips
@civilwarcow So a genius like you can't realize that what he said meant he couldn't care LESS about slavery & his only goal & interest was saving the union? Why don't that surprise me? He said he'd set em all free, keep them ALL enslaved, or release some & not others in order to acheive his goal. THATS SAYING HE DIDN"T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE ISSUE OF SLAVERY YOU MORON!
As for your ignorant klan/nazi comment, how typical of an uneducated moron like yourself. B/C I know the TRUTH I'm racist?
@civilwarcow Glad you could FINALLY fucking see it! I thought it didn't say any such thing? Hahaha! Its the same meaning dumbass. He didn't give a shit about slavery & the war had nothing to do with slavery as most of you brainwashed buffoons think.
Typical politician huh?? Kinda conflicted wasn't he? Said what sounded good at the time. But idiots like you idolize them like they're real people with real values & ideals. Hahaha! Let me guess, you're an obama voter right?
@civilwarcow ROFLMAO! Wait a minute. Just a while ago YOU said the Morrill tarriff hadn't passed until AFTER the war started, now you're saying Buchanan signed it into law in 1861?? Hahahaha!!! You must be using wikiepedia or the huffington post for your information. What a retard!
Oh, and I was born, raised & still live int he same State YOU Live in you ignorant, assuming jackass. See what being a fool does to you? Rock on "history buff". Hahaha!
@civilwarcow How fucking dumb can you be? In the video "Dispelling an Abraham Lincoln myth" 2:26 to 2:45 it shows, written in granite wall at Lincolns memorial "my paramout objective in this struggle is to preserve the union & NOT to save or destroy slavery. If i could save the union without freena any slave, I would do it, and If I could save the union by freeing all slaves I would do it, and if I could save the union by freen some & leaving others alone, I would do that also".. Abraham Lincoln
@civilwarcow LINCOLN SIGNED IT his second week in office dumbass. LOOK IT UP! FIrst you've heard of it & you call youself a "civil war history buff"?? Hahaha!! Thats pathetic.
Like is already said, it SPARKED the war (which means it "set it off" for the uneducated). Yes Decades of abuse & oppression already had States seceeding you dumbass. I can tell you're GED educated by your complete lack of reading comprehension.
@civilwarcow Here's another video for you're uneducted, brainwashed mind to watch. "DIspelling an Abraham Lincoln myth". Its done by a BLACK MAN!! Imagine that! LMAO!! He shows the quote in granite that you said "I was adding a little of my own bised ideas to"............LMAO!! PWND!
@civilwarcow Then look up the quote for yourself, or are you too ignorant to do that? Did you watch the freaking video I told you about or do I need to send it to your lazy ass?? He couldn't care LESS about slavery man. It was the excuse after putting the country thru a war due to the Norths economic opression & abuse of the south. Tell me Mr "Civil war history buff". Have yo ever heard of the "morrill tarriff" that Lincoln signed his 2nd week in office? Bet not & its what sparked the war. LOL!
@civilwarcow Yeah thats what all the dropouts say huh?? LMAO!! Guess its better than being an uneducated idiot isn't it? Too bad I'm RIGHT though isn't it?
@civilwarcow Oh really?? Watch the video "Surprising quotes by Lincoln" right here on youtube, then come back & tell me I'm "benighted" or "lying" again, JERK!
Its even written in GRANITE at the Lincoln memorial something to this effect "To end slavery or to spread the practice means nothing to me. My goal is the preservation of the union at all costs". LOOK IT UP! Then you might wanna thing about getting an education??
@civilwarcow Even though its 6%(its a well know fact), I'll play YOUR game. Say it was 40%, what were the other 60% fighting & dying for? The wealthy's right to own slaves? Thats like saying today I'd fight a war so the rich could keep thier learjets. REDICULOUS!
Are you one of the brainwashed fools who thinks Lincoln started the war over slavery? LMAO! Do a little research my friend. Thats bullshit revisionist history. Lincoln stated he didn't care less about slavery.
@civilwarcow Uh, I DID read it for myself. Its really easy to find.......type in "Texas declaration of secession" & it pops right up. I'm right & you're wrong.
I am originally from the north and believed for many years what I was taught about the civil war was the truth. after seeing many of these videos I am starting to form my own conclusions and have come to believe that what i have been taught is bullshit. does anybody know where i can buy some books that are truthfully written on this subject? God bless A merica as our founding fathers intended it to be.
@ant240 Yes, there are many good books. "Everything You Were Taught About the Civil War Is Wrong " by Lochlainn Seabrook. "Red Republicans and Lincoln's Marxists " by Walter Kennedy and Al Benson. "Abraham Lincoln" by Seabrook. That is just a couple, there are many. Also you can read a good introduction to TRUE history on the Trip Down Truth Road com web site - go to the history section on the list - Truth About the Civil War. I'd give the link but they do not allow it here.
TubeTaxPro is the same idiot that has been RonPaulHatesBlacks and other crappy names. You can always tell it's him by his stupid remarks, filled with foul language and devoid of any evidence to back his fantasies. He is a proven idiot I finally tired of reading his rants.
so long as we're agreed now over a century later after the abolishment of slavery nearly half a century after ALL citizens be allowed to vote, that we have learned that none of us are superior to another man but for the content of his character. Arguing over how the history will be told is not altogether fruitless but we must agree that we have learned more excellently than those who've gone b4 us that we are all equals in these great United States
Nice video and great finding all the quotes. History is written by the victors, who really lost our country for us all. That's why @fuklibs, it is a waste energy to try to argue with brainwashed children of the oligarchs of the North. You and I know the truth. It would have been very wise to heed the counsel of Genl. Toombs and not "take the bait" by firing on Sumter. The secession would have proceeded apace and Lincoln would have had to do something nobody wanted. He provoked the attack.
@taxTubePro: In addition to your obvious lack of civil language, you have a problem understanding what other people write. After succession, there was active discussion in the south of freeing slaves if they agreed to serve in the military. That is well documented.
The most effective way for the South to remove slavery as a motivation, justification or excuse as one might have it for forcibly reuniting the states would have been to abolish slavery themselves or at least to meaningfully, visibly, and demonstrably start that process (not just a few discussions). Succession was heavily based on the fear that abolition would be forced on slave states. Asserting a right or state right on the back of a practice like slavery will not gain much sympathy.
@somewhere6 wrong idiot. In fact, the governor of Florida, in his official Declaration of Causes -- (have you ever read it -- or ANY official declaration of causes by the South?) that NO ONE was saying the north was going to force abolition. He actually was very clear on that. HE said it was the talk about the North stopping the SPREAD of slavery.
Learn real history, not the insane bullshit the South has shit out its ass for 150 yeares.
@somewhere6 You apparently are clueless about the South before the Civil War -- from 1820 on. Did you know it was a crime -- punishable by torture -- for anyone to write or read or publish or own any book or pamphlet, that even QUESTIONED slavery? Did you ever hear of the anit -incendiary laws?
The South went bat shit crazy to SUPRESS by violence, any such discussion, even religions were told what to preach.
The South even made it impossible to MENTION slavery in CONGRESS
Lincoln got what he deserved. It was ashame it came so late. We should have invaded DC after first manases like Davis wanted. Captured Lincoln and put a stop to the nationalization of America.
@djmyers71 No dumb ass -- Longstreet never said anything like that. No one in his life time, including him, ever said that. Like most quotes like that, it was made up after 1900, when you pussies went into over drive to make up shit.
If he said that retard, why didn't he mention that in his book? Why didn't ANYONE mention that for 50 years? Like most of your shit about southern honor, its total shit that was made up later.
if only the secession had been earlier. Jefferson, Washington and nearly all our early presidents would have come to the confederacies aid. John Tyler did and died in office in his home state. Our states are sovereign. Washington didn't fight for 12 years as a Virginian to have his state chained and manipulated into destruction by DC.
Several of these quotes are engraved in stone at the Lincoln memorial in DC.
Its mind-numbing tryint to educate the brainwashed moronic-masses who think the war was over slavery & that the Confederate flag is a 'racist symbol'!!!!!
Gee why weren't they taught these things? All thats been shoved into thier peabrains is the PC revisionist history bullshit the liberals who run our school stystems want then to hear. Its all LIES!
I first want to say that overall, I am glad that the South lost...not that there was ever really a chance for them to win.
We all know that the issues leading up to secession were by no means limited to slavery. Slavery was in no way being directly threatened in terms of its continued existence in the already declared "slave states."
The issues leading up to secession involved, generally, disputes over delegated federal authority, and how that authority affected state authority.
There were no free blackks in the South -- none. Got that?
Jan 5 of 1863, Jeff Davis issued his order to "re-enslave" any person with any black blood. All blacks were "hereby" put back on the "slave status" and their issue (children) FOREVER.
Got that retard? Davis "re-enslaved" all slaves ever freed.
I guess they forgot to tell you shit like that dumb fuck
@PeopleLieAboutTaxes, Your first statement is really stupid, 13,000 free blacks in the south owned slaves. Duhh de de de! Davis never re-enslaved anybody. Along with Jackson and Lee, he wanted to have blacks fight for the CSA. GOT THAT DUMB FUCK? lol u seriously hsould stop. You think your right well dosent matter. Cuz ur wrong
You dumb fuck - there were no black confederate soldiers. None, not fucking one. There were some niggers that were with their owners -- but they were not part of the official CSA. They were slaves. They were the same niggers that helped owners whip slaves, steal children to sell, ect,
There were NO known black soldiers in the CSA. Not one, not ever. Blacks were property anyway, not humans, according to the South.
ha were do you get this bullshit? let me know with sources, and you don't have any cause you just try to start shit. like i said meet me in REAL life, not through a computer, and also go look up blacks in the confederacy, you so are fucking stupid, there were black in the csa dumbass. that was the stupidest thing i've ever heard
Yes the North had more people. No fucking duh - because most immigrants went NORTH cause they didnt want to go where slavery was.
Got that dumb fuck? Immigrants made all the difference in the war -- and the North had far more. The South was choking to death -- slave population was growing like wild fire -- but the white population was falling way behind.
Why, dumb fuck? Cause of slavery dumb fuck. The South would have been twice as large popultion wise if they didnt have slavery.
At the time the South was saying WE MUST SPREAD slavery or die. Do you grasp that?
The war was really about the South trying to violently spread slavery to the west and north. Why? They said why -- cause they were choking to death on slavery.
Linconl said keep slavery were it is -- they will choke to death on it. The South said the same exact thing --
Learn what the South was saying THEN dumb fuck -- in their official declarations.
i live in the south, you don't know shit. the north always had at least 200,000 more men in every battle, and even 1,000,000 at once, the most the south had was 500,000, which the north beat out by 200,000, learn things before you try to argue, your just a dumb ass. wait dumb fuck that won't do it and you don't know anything. like ive said, you talk shit through a computer, but in real life, your just a bitch
OB you live in a world of myth and make believe dumb fuck.
The South had far more men and weapons to start. The SSouth had far more men the entire war -- counting the slaves you forced to work for Confederate war effort.
But you had whites deserting by the hundreds of thousands - probably half million of your own soldiers fucking deserted.
Got that retard?
Davis HIMSELF said without the massive desertions -- no way you lose. But you had massive desertions.
you are so fucking retarded, the north had the army. the us army, they have more men than guys from the south fighting with their huntin rifles, and free slaves fought and served the confederacy, and there are many proud black confederates dumbass. and after the war, the blacks were treated worse in the north than the south, explain that? and were do you even get your bullshit sources?
and the north were savages, they burned cities to the ground, and raped women and kill civilians, you are so fucking stupid, if i knew you personally id beat your ass every fucking day, you are about the stupid piece of shit ive ever talked to
i know, at least know history before you try to win a argue, i mean he said the csa had more troops and supplies, and yet we only had 9 million people to the norths 22 million and they had 94% of supplies, everywhere ive looked it said if the population and industrial power were the same, theres little reason to believe the union could have defeated the confederacy. and its true, they almost lost with the way it was
you are a dumbass, and you have several screen names, the north had 22 million and the south had 9 million, were do you get saying the south had more men, and factories were in the north, not the south, you are so fucking stupid. and lincoln started the war, the south just wanted to go in peace, and you lose another argument.
Sorry dumb fuck -- someone should tell you the truth. The truth is, the South should have won easily. Fought on your own ground -- with two or three times the number of soldiers and laborers at the start.
No dumb fuck - you were never out numbered, because you had a million slaves forced to work for the confederacy.
Your own fucking soldiers deserted -- Lee said so himself. By summer of 64 2/3 had deserted. By spring of 65, over 3/4.
Lars -- good point. Before the Civil War whites did not have freedom of speech, press, or religion.
The South was very Nazi like to whites --because free speech and press would undermine slavery.
Religion was regulated by the South -- whites were whipped if they caught with any book that MIGHT "dissatisfy" a slave.
The South had Nazi like totalitarianism -- but even Nazis did not rape slaves, then sell their own children from rapes. The South did that while praising Jesus.
you will also remember, Cleburne wanted to arm negro troops, Lee did not. You have to tread careful on this territory my friends, if you scorn history and think you know better yourself...why did Lee only want to defend virginia? (yes he sent longstreet to TN) But think what would have happened if a country(CSA) were allowed to exist....the Govt declared martial law EVERYWHERE! is that the Govt you want?
The Confederacy was based on slavery -- it's own leaders bragged about that.
Now of course, Southern apologists insist slavery didnt have anything to do with it.
Plus -- the South never had free elections before the Civil War- - they had "Saddam" elections, where only those people slavers approved could even get on the ballot.
There was no freedom of speech or press or religion in the South before the Civil War.
@PeopleLieAboutTaxes That was my point, everyone looks back on the south as a grand place to be, and it was if you were a white protestant land/slave owner. I am from the south, and they still hang on to that attitude today, although they don't realize during that time they would have been conspcrpited for the duration of the war against their will. Not saying the federals were a whole lot bettr, but the south was very oppresive to its non-aristocratic citizens.
no it was not, southern generals did not have slaves, and if the war was about slavery then the northern generals would have fought for the south as well, lincoln didn't like it but also didn't hate it, he wanted to send blacks back to africa. now learn the facts, who started the civil war? the north did, who were mean and burned towns and starved women and children the north did. the south just wanted to be their own government and be free, the north, and face it if the
ob you are too fucking to stupid for me to correct all at once.
Yes dumb fuck -- most Southern leaders not only had slaves -- thats fucking how they got rich idiot.
North was mean? Dumb fuck -- it was a war. And Sherman gave not only warnings dumb fuck -- he helped to relocate people, he offered truces and support to help people get out of his way.
It was you fucks who raped, terrorized, hung, whipped, sold humans dumb fuck.
It was you who started the war -- and you who ran away
north didn't have 94% of the supplies, the war would have turned out the other way, im glad america is what it is today, but the north were evil basturds
Ob sorry- -the South had far more men, and supplies, to start. And you used over a million slaves to build earth works you fucks hid behind
Got that dumb fuck? The only reason you had less men, dumb fuck, is 3/4 of you pussies deserted. Davis himself said if you pussies didnt desert, you win easily.
So you fucks start the war- get your ass kicked --desert -- then cry about your own desertions
Typical punk. You were real tuff beating up slaves - real pussies running away.
dude, your a fucking dumbass that doesn't know what hes talkin about, the northern generals were slave owners, the southern generals did not, and don't you know anything about your country you stupid little fuck? the north had more men, and the factories were up north, thats why theres things called plantations in the south you know, cause were rural you stupid ass bitch, the north started the war, weren't noble men, and the south beat yalls ass in just about every battle
@SteamboatCamp you have no idea about anything, go play with the guy you experimented with in middle school and you were even smart enough to get out by now, you are a dumb piece of shit. and most of the time the union retreated, the only way yall ever won was because you have supplies and you would starve women and children and the noble men of the south would surrender so they could get food. you probably should just kill yourself. your making yourself look even worse than you mom did
and also lincoln didnt like slaves, even wanted to send them back, northerns owned slaves too, oh and you stupid fuck, even free blacks owned slaves, and freed slaves after the war said they like it better as slaves because they were treated better, the south treated blacks better, we had better generals and out men were better fighters, the north just sucked, all they had was more weapons and men, and they still got their ass beat down, and shut the fuck up, your too stupid
You fought on your own ground dumb fuck -- using over a million slaves to do your work, idiot.
The North had to first replace all the weapons, horses, money, material you fucks stole. You had far more men, you fought on your own ground, and you still surrendered like pussies.
Who the fuck surrenders on their OWN ground? Even the French and Italians didnt do that. But you pussies did.
you are so stupid, 9% owned slaves. you just too fucking stupid for me to carry a conversation on with, so don't fucking talk to me bitch, go suck a dick and die somewhere
ha you say the same thing over and over, but i guess you aren't smart enough to think of anything else, and im talkin about 9% of the south you fucking dumbass, like one general had them, more northern generals had slaves. you don't know anything about history, just end your life, im sure no one would care, your mom would probably be so happy that she can stop apologizing for your ignorant, dumbass ways. don't bother replying cause im not gonna listen to what you say
Southerners BRAGGED their economy was slave based. They BRAGGED that most of them owned slaves -- virtually everyone of "status" owned slaves you idiot.
The poor who didnt own slaves were looke down on dumb fuck.
Almost 100% of confederate leaders owned slaves, or came from famlies who had slaves dumb fuck
your just making yourself look like a dumbass and you are. go google advantages and disadvantages for both sides of the civil war and youll see im right, oh and lee wanted slaves to be free and jackson wanted them to be free and tought blacks how to read and write, while on the union side, all generals said if the war was about slavery, then they would lay down their sword and fight for the other side, get your facts right dumbass, the north had 22 mil, while the south had 9 mil
Lee wanted slaves to be free my ass. He whipped the shit out of slaves that tried to be free you fucking idiot.
Jackson taught them to read? DUmb fuck -- the only reading these slavers taught, you fucking idiot, was just enough so the slaves could "read" parts of the bible that said slaves should let masters fuck em up the ass.
Got that retard? The only thing they could read was insane shit dumb fuck. They weren't allowed anything else dumb fuck.
haha you can't think of anything else? besides dumb fuck and retard? ha you yankees are all the same, im done wasting my time, hope you die a horrible death. and thats sincere
everyone can see how ignorant and just how stupid you really are, you don't know anything and probably shouldn't won a computer much less try to argue something you have no idea about
What is the advantage to sharing a government with a Tyrant?
There is none.
We must be Free of the Tyrant, for now and for ever.
For the sake of our Children, we must be Free of the Federal Beast, so that we can go our own way, and so that our Children can as well, in their own time.
Revisionism is NOT bad if you revise the proper subjects. Are you saying that we should continue with the pathetic mythology of Lincoln's cottage industry built upon his myths, or should we revise it ??? This is just one example of something that NEEDS revising, the bullshit mythologies of Ab Lincoln. I am a real degree historian pursuing a master's , and I will bust my ass to REVISE any of the bullshit myths about this would be federal tyrant Lincoln !
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South Carolina seceded in late December....Lincoln had been President-Elect for weeks... No one wanted a "shooting war" except perhaps Lincoln and some of his confidants...As his inaugural suggests.
@Joseph565112 -- Southern history books written in 1866 bragged that they had promised war if Lincoln was elected.
The Southern pussies wanted to spread their slavery, because they were choking to death on their slaves. Lincoln said slavery was a cancer that will kill its host -- which is why he wanted to keep slavery in the South.
The SOuth AGREED -- their own leaders predicted the physical DEATH of the South if they were not allowed to spread slavery.
@TubeTaxPro You're full of shit. The war had almost nothing to do with slavery. Lincoln Never said that but he DID say "my paramount objective is to save the union & not to save or destroy slavery" and "If I can save the union without freeing any slave I would do it".
The war was over the systematic economic oppression of the south. Its why the north made blacks 3/5ths human so they weren't counted in the census for representation. Look up the "morrill tarriff". Its what sparked the war dummy!
@fuklibs you are so stupid I don't know where to start. The NORTH didnt make slaves 3/5 anything retard. That was the SOUTHERN SCUM who insisted on that, the blacks of course had no rights, but SOUTHERN SCUM insisted they be counted for Congressional and Electoral purposes.
Guess who said the blacks were not even HUMAN in the law? That they were like piles of shit or dogs or a bucket? That was your Southern leaders Davis and Taney you stupid fuck. Learn real history
@TubeTaxPro Hey ignorant fuck, between 1800 and 1860 6 tarriffs were enacted in order to devastate the Southern States, the Morrill tarriff signed into law March 2nd, 1861 but was however in the works for MONTHS before it was signed into law and IT WAS the final straw & the reason for the Secessions STUPID FUCK!!! Yeah they seceeded a month before it was enacted, that DOESN'T mean it wasn't the cause of the war!
Only one tarriff helped the south, passed in 1857 to appease the South MORON!
@TubeTaxPro LMAO!! You've GOT to be the dumbest motherfucker on the planet! How would it benifit the South to make them 3/5ths human? It benifitted the North by not counting them in the census, therefore the South had fewer Congressional representatives than they SHOULD!
Guess what ignoramus, the North had slaves too and blacks had no rights in the North OR the South. They couldn't own land & they couldn't vote. You think racism only occured in the South? LOL!
@Joseph565112 - Lincoln's first inaugural is famous for his trying to AVOID any conflict at all.
Lincoln wanted ONE thing -- to stop the SPREAD of slavery. That's all he thought possible to do. He knew, and said -- and the south said he was right -- that if he could stop the SPREAD of slavery, slavery would kill the host.
Slavery was a cancer, and the South was in stage 4. It was going to die if it could not spread it's shit. Read the Southern governors who said exactly that.
@TubeTaxPro Lincoln didn't give a SHIT about slavery you idiot! Written in granite at the Lincoln Memorial is a quote of Lincolns "My paramount objective it to save the union & is not to save or destroy slavery. If I can save the union without freen any slave I would do it".
Put that in your pipe and smoke it ya brainwashed, revisionist history taught, indoctrinated fool! You have no idea what you're talking about.
The war was over unconstitutional economic oppression of the South, idiot!
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@fuklibs you stupid fuck -- not everything LIncoln said it on there, retard. Do you grasp that you cum swallowing monkey?
Lincoln also said slave owners should be KICKED TO DEATH. Not kicked to unsconsciousness, but KICKED TO DEATH.
Got that dumb fuck? Then, as soon as he could, he kicked the living fuck out of slavery, and the God of slavery you fucks had in the South. Lincoln kicked your pussy God to death, he kicked your pussy army to death.
@TubeTaxPro How old are you man? You talk like a 5th grade bully. Its great though b/c it makes you look like the fool that you are.
Only 6% of Southerners owned slaves(Including free blacks). Yeah, the other 94% of the 300,000 killed were fighting for the wealthy to keep their slaves! LMAO! Keep on beleiveing that you moron. I guess its also why over 100,000 FREE blacks men VOLUNTEERED to fight for the south & why many blacks to this day fly the confederate flag in the south.
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@fuklibs if you think 100,000 blacks voluntered for the Confederate Army, you believe in Jolly Green Giant.
You stupid fuck -- we have the debates in CSA Congress at the end of the war, arguing whether to get blacks in the Army. Have you read those debates? Why the fuck debate putting blacks in -- if 100,000 were already THERE?
YOu stupid fuck, you are dumber than box of rocks.
You just bend over, spread your ass, and beg other dumb fucks to shove up any phoney crap up your ass/
@TubeTaxPro LMAO! Those debates were about if they should free the slaves IF they would serve in the military as a payment (if you will) for being set free you idiot! The ones who served in the Confederacy were already free an volunteered to fight!
Any explanation as to what the 94% of non slave owners were fighting for since you're so IGNORANT as to beleive the war was over slavery or why today in year 2010 there is an organization called the "Black Confederates"?
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@fuklibs Davis said it was about slvery., Your vice president said it was about slavery. Your official documents from each state at the outset, said it was about slavery. Why did your Vice President, say it loudly and proudly, then and later, that slavery was the bedrock, the cornerstone of the confederacy?
Sorry dumb ass, southern leaders at the time said it was about slavery. They only changed their excuses when they lost.
@TubeTaxPro You're so full of shit I'd bet my house that your eyes are brown!
Davis never said that & only ONE Declaraion of Secession even MENTIONED slavery, MS's you moron! Like I told you earlier, only 6% of southerners owned slaves. "The cornerstone of the confederacy"? LMAO!
Name the "southern leaders" who said it was over slavery and CITE EVIDENCE!
The Southern states were economically oppressed by greedy fucks & after 600,000 died, Lincoln covered his ass with the 'slavery excuse'.
@fuklibs I sent you Davis speech where said -- VERY CLEARLY -- that slavery is SO obviously the cornerstone, the foundation of the Confederacy, that he does not even have to elaborate on that.
Im also going to send you speech by your VICE president,saying the same thing. He adds that God told the South to enslave blacks, that this "moral truth" is the very foundation of the Confederacy.
Also sending several Declarations of Causes saying very clearly it was about slavery
@fuklibs Six percent? You fucking idiot. I'm going to send you the DeBow Review founder --- his magazine was the South's most popular publication. He explains how over HALF of the families in SC, MS, and LA had slaves, how there were 2 million slave owers -- 375,000 heads of household had slaves, but an effective ownership of 2 million.
Read what the SOUTH leaders said dumb fuck. You scum sucking pigs have been cowards long after you soldiers and leaders ran like pussies
@fuklibs We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.
@liberalmike1994 Sounds like modern day Democrats! LMAO! "Regarded as an inferior and dependent race"......Hmm. Welfare & affirmative action & lowered testing scores for blacks ring a bell??
Oh, and did you happen to read the OTHER 14 paragraphs liberalmike? The war had VERY LITTLE to do with slavery. It was mostly about the economic oppression of the south & the overstepping of the Federal Gov't on States rights & violations of the Constitution. Wake up ye brainwashed dork.
@falcondriver100 most of the other paragraphs simply elaborated on how the south was angry about abolitionists and the norths refusal to inforce the fugitive slave act. I read the whole document and the majority of the causes listed are related to slavery.
@liberalmike1994 You must have very limited reading comprehension skills, OR you could just be lying like a typical liberal b/c the VAST MAJORITY of the rest of the Texas Secession declaration says nothing about slavery & speaks of the economic oppression, unconstitutional overstepping of the Federal Gov't & the morrill tarriffs imposed on the Southern States.
@liberalmike1994 Let me ask you a question liberalmike. If the war was over slavery, why did over 100,000 FREE black men VOLUNTEER to fight for the Confederacy? Why is there today a black Confederates group? 6% of southerners owned slaves, what were the other 94% fighting & dying for, the right for the wealthy to own slaves? LMAO!
Are you aware than free blacks in the south also owned slaves? Read the GRANITE wall at the Lincloln memorial in DC. Lincoln didn't care about slavery & SAID SO!
@falcondriver100 Gee, it seems the typically uneducated, brainwashed, indoctrinated, 22 year old, liberal MORON "liberalmike 1994" doesn't want to answer any questions. Imagine that! He's been on as recently as two hours ago..............Hmmmmm.
@falcondriver100 There weren't 100,000 blacks in the confederate army let alone fighting. of the whites in the confederate army the majority were fighting for slavery because they beleived it was the basis of their whole society and rich southerners worked to convince them of this.The few blacks that were used by the confederacy were used for manual labor.
there are numerous accounts of black volunteers in confederate uniforms, and I mean SOLDIERS not human mules. In 1865 the debate was over and official, nation-wide recruitment,
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@lang217 first of all retard, you have no clue if they "volunteered" or were fooled or lied to -- or most likely, if they were the same black fucks who helped the white man by whipping other blacks, holding the little boys and girls down what master butt fucked fhem. SLvery would have been impossible without some traitors to their race.
But those black you talk about were NOT in the CSA. They probably were suck up slaves who got the uniforms of dead rebel soldiers.
The very fact that you have created this many accounts is obvious evidence of your mental instability. I want you to know, I have Never blocked Anyone on my vids, until you came along. All of your accounts will be blocked for the usage of profanity, disinformation, "trolling," and for history revisionism in regards to facts accepted by All credible historians, authors and biographers of this period. ( Regardless of their personal feelings of the sides involved. ) Congratulations.
@Joseph565112 Great video Joseph. Starting with the US Army Band playing Dixie is so appropriate. And Hoyt Axton and Bobby Horton, whose done incredible musicology work on Southern and Northern music of the day. Sorry you have had to deal with scum people with gutter language. It serves to remind us all of what we inherited- the rise of the unionists and one worlders who are Godless. So many think history is what the revisionist have written. Two books: Children of Pride ,& Mary Chesnuts diary.
Those punk asses you speak of pussy boy are waiting on pricks like you and your Obama soldiers when they come here to carry out martial law on us, you pathetic Lincoln loving fairy boy. Your hero was a racist, and a tyrant in the making. His own puppet masters had him killed through another puppet boy Boothe. Sure SC was planning to secede if Lincoln won, they knew what a federal tyrannical piece of shit he was BOY !! Africans owned slaves in America and SOLD their own people to the ships.
@Taxfools some people sure do like making themselves look stupid if you possess such a grand sea of knowledge that the rest of us lack then it should be easy to realize why the south left in your own words. Northern control. The republican party was a northern party which cared about only northern interests.
That doesn't make any sense. The south wanted to secede, so they were at fault? You do realize 100% of the Founding Fathers were secessionists, right? Otherwise we wouldn't have SECEDED from the British Empire. Secession is a natural right.
@FlashVirus If "Secession is a natural right", then why did we have to fight for independence from Great Britain?
I do believe that the only time in a thousand years history that a nation split peacefully was Czechoslovakia in 1996, into Czech Republic and Slovakia.
I am sorry this is my fault. I misquoted the other youtuber. He was saying secession WASN'T a natural right, so I was saying it IS a natural right because we Americans seceded from Britain.
And I'm not a secessionist anymore... as in.. I wouldn't really want my end goal for there to be a state seceding from the union. I want the individual to secede from the state.
@FlashVirus True, its always a natural right---but is hardly ever free as it is often paid in the price of death. Freedom is never Free. My grandmother who lived through WW2 reminds me of this often. My fear now is more and more of our real human rights are being invaded in the name of so called "rights" and political correctness. It will be our downfall I can assure you if we keep going this direction.
You stupid cunt. You have the right to vote on every fucking office - dog catcher, alderman, sheriff, tax assessor, school board, county board, alderman, judges, the list goes on and on. And you can RUN for office and fix everything you stupid fuck.
Someone told your fucking ass that you don't have any rights. You got more rights than anyone in history retard.
You just want to bitch and fit in with the other dumb fucks
The SOUTH said -- they warned in ADVANCE that if Lincoln won the election-- the South would take it as an ACT OF WAR.
Who says? The SOUTH says - the Editor of the Richmond Examiner - and biographer of Jeff Davis -- and staunch Confederate. He wrote a book about the Civil War -- and said so.
Plus, the same sentiment is all over the place in contemporary books documents and articles
I will send you the quote, since you won't look it up.
That is not true, Davis sent over 300 commissioners to the U.S. to make ensure "peace with Lincoln's government..." The began almost immediately after Lincoln won the election ( late december of '60 ) Georgia sent Hans Bertöld and Michael Steffen before they officially seceded. No one wanted war a "shooting war" Anyone with a brain knew that the Confederacy would lose. And they did....
@Joseph565112 You stupid fuck -- I am telling you what SOUTHERN historians said. I didn't say it, SOUTHERN HISTORIANS at the time said it. Southern historians bragged that THEY had warned the North all through the election, that if their guy was not elected, they would take that as a declaration of WAR.
Go read the SOUTHS own fucking books written at the time BY southerners you stupid fuck
Okay Joe -- go to the SOUTHS own book in 1865. A book they wrote, and is available on Google Books. Southern History of the Great Civil War in the United States, 1865
Joe - no one said it was about the election of Lincoln?????
Sure the underlying reason was slavery - -as the SOUTH said. But the immediate reason was LINCOLN WINNING.
In fact, the South said if Lincoln was elected, they would take it as an ACT OF WAR. Keep in mind - Lincoln was bending over backwards to ACCOMODATE slavery - and they despised him so much that if he won in 1860, it would be an ACT OF WAR.
Want the quote? Want to learn a little how crazy these lunatics were?
What a fucking joke. So the South had the right to "throw off an oppressive government" because they lost an honest election. You lose an election and thats oppression dumb fuck???
How the FUCK did the South treat those who tried to rebel agains them for REAL oppression (slavery).
The South handled rebellion or insurection from slaves by burning them to death in front of their families.
The South were a bunch of fucking Nazi scum, cry babies, and lunatics.
No one has ever said that it was over a mere election. You are the first I have ever heard say such nonesense.
No more historical illiteracy from you please, but above all, please do not SHOUT profanity on this thread....and for no apparent reason. Only lunatics screem at their computer screen...
The reaction in 1860 being the first time a republican had won a congressional majority and the seat of the presidency is something most people today don't understand. It was about influence. The Government was the Northern states, The Unity was gone by that point. And if you read the RR's platform abolishing slavery is not there. Lincoln didn't care he cared about money. Only reason he did it was to maintain control.
Yeah, what's really sad is that I actually got two of his quotes towards the "negro race" off of the KKK's website.... Yep.... They provided their source and it is a well known book, the Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln by Roy Basler. However, they had it under their "Lincoln, friend or foe?" link. They virtually praised him for leaving slavery alone as long as he possibly could....hoping that the war would end before he woud be forced to use to his politcal advantage.
He would always have had to use that. He was conquering land. You have to divide and set the people against each other. Where there is disunity it is much easier to gain control.
First of all - the Morill tarrif wasnt even under Lincoln, it was under Buchanan.
Secondly, the later Morill tarrifs didnt even apply to the South as long as LIncoln lived.
So Lincoln as some kind of tariff boogey man is just nonsense.
Also - to the extent ANY tariff was an issue -- even that was about slavery. The tariff was on ENGLISH goods, not US. And the NORTH paid far more cause they imported far more.
See, this is where I draw the line with you again...You are once again being disingenuous to any other viewers and are trying to distort historical fact, as is protrayed on many pro-North and pro-Lincoln documentaries and books, as well as pro-Confederacy....both. Lincoln was a moderate, you are apparently not very well versed with his assessment of the "negro race." However, that all aside, tariffs and government power was HUGE at this time. Less you forget, the FEDs were not supreme...yet.
The American system of protective tariffs had been going on since clay with the souths disagreement the entire time. People forget the nullification of the 1830's. That state was the same state to secede first.
Of course Lincoln was nominated because he could come off as a moderate to people who heard him. He could disarm the haters -- if they heard him in person.
But the SOUTH didnt fucking think he was a moderate - as I proved. Nor did they hear him speak.
I showed you a typical Southern editorial protrayed Lincoln -- dangerous, treasonous - out to destroy the south.
Thats the view the SOUTH had. Thats why they were bat shit crazy when Lincoln won.
Lincoln was a moderate, yes...that is well established. Lincoln supported and supported increasing tariffs that were already financially choking most Southerners due to their being largely lower middle class to down right poor. He and his party were the very epitome of Centralist in regards to the federal government and its power etc. This in the land of the Anti-Federalists and Classical "free-thinkers" were monsterous to rich and poor alike. You are really not doing the politics justice here.
"there is no disguising the fact that the doctrine of the freesoil party means the TOTAL extiniction of the Southern institutions (slavery), or it means nothing.
The doctrine, dangerous and treasonable, was proclaimed by Lincoln in these words "I believe this government can not endure half slave and half free"
"in other words -slavery must be abolished." Jackson Miss Weekly Messenger, March 20 1860, and printed in many other southern papers.
You are aware that the free soil party dissolved largely due to this idea / hope? The Republicans were formed from its less adimant members and Lincoln was Nominated because he was not really anti-slavery or pro-slavery...a "moderate?" That is why they picked him....again that even comes from the Burns documentary. Lincoln made a similar statement about the proposal in the Missouri-Compromise that perhaps a State could be both.....obviously that would not work well. However, the rest is opinion.
Yeah....many hated him.....because at this point in history, there was a real difference between Republican and Democrat in regards to the size of government and spending and local autonomy etc. Well, if you are again talking about the Fugitive Slave Law, then that is just a prime example of the North-Eastern States taking issue with the Constitution...
This only makes it worse for you die hard secessionists. It was obvious that Lincoln would have been open to negotiation. Thank God your knucklehead ancestors fired on Ft. Sumter. They would rather wreck the nation than compromise. If those dopes had won the Confederacy would have destroyed itself, and America would have been permanently wounded. Lincoln eventually saw the truth and realized he must end slavery. As it was your vicious predecessors instituted 100 years of apartheid.
trajan75 2 weeks ago
First, Lincoln said and to paraphrase, if you CAN shake off the old form of Governement and make a new one, then that is your right...the Confederacy tried, thought they could and COULDN"T shake off the old form of Governement....and second, you cant judge Lincoln or anybody from the 18th century on racism with 21st century eyes...cuz 97% was a racist back then, even many abolotionist.
Sept11Discovery 3 months ago
No matter the so-called reason/s to justify the civil war, all are wrong. You cannot justify the killing of 600,000 men. Can you imagine that happening today in this country. What were those folks thinking. And most believed God was on their side.
Sickness and insanity at its worst.
flashgm41 6 months ago
Best brass on YouTube playing Dixie!!! What is the name of the brass band? Their playing the theme of The Bonnie Blue Flag was superb!!
Cionaodh57 6 months ago
total amazing
1TakeVlog 7 months ago
No need to agrue. Quote piled on top of quote. Anyone who is reasonable can clearly see the true cause of the "Civil War". Just read them over and over.
FastPonyGT 7 months ago
@civilwarcow lol oh and would you like the stats on racism in the north today ?? right now ?? and NOT 100 yrs ago ?? might surprise you..... and as usual - northerners have not a clue about southerners - we are not all KKK members -- do YOU even know HOW the KKK came about and why ???
Yizlanu 7 months ago
stars and bars.
guadalupejoe1 8 months ago
good info
proliteriate 8 months ago
Lincoln speaketh with forked tongue. He said what people wanted to hear to climb the political ladder of success even riding on Douglas' coat tails to get national recognition not from his own merit but by public debates to gain attention to himself. "A first rate second rate man" Wendell Phillips
ke4bss 8 months ago
@civilwarcow So a genius like you can't realize that what he said meant he couldn't care LESS about slavery & his only goal & interest was saving the union? Why don't that surprise me? He said he'd set em all free, keep them ALL enslaved, or release some & not others in order to acheive his goal. THATS SAYING HE DIDN"T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT THE ISSUE OF SLAVERY YOU MORON!
As for your ignorant klan/nazi comment, how typical of an uneducated moron like yourself. B/C I know the TRUTH I'm racist?
falcondriver100 9 months ago 2
@falcondriver100 lol good reply :)
Yizlanu 7 months ago
@civilwarcow Glad you could FINALLY fucking see it! I thought it didn't say any such thing? Hahaha! Its the same meaning dumbass. He didn't give a shit about slavery & the war had nothing to do with slavery as most of you brainwashed buffoons think.
Typical politician huh?? Kinda conflicted wasn't he? Said what sounded good at the time. But idiots like you idolize them like they're real people with real values & ideals. Hahaha! Let me guess, you're an obama voter right?
falcondriver100 9 months ago
@civilwarcow ROFLMAO! Wait a minute. Just a while ago YOU said the Morrill tarriff hadn't passed until AFTER the war started, now you're saying Buchanan signed it into law in 1861?? Hahahaha!!! You must be using wikiepedia or the huffington post for your information. What a retard!
Oh, and I was born, raised & still live int he same State YOU Live in you ignorant, assuming jackass. See what being a fool does to you? Rock on "history buff". Hahaha!
falcondriver100 9 months ago
@civilwarcow How fucking dumb can you be? In the video "Dispelling an Abraham Lincoln myth" 2:26 to 2:45 it shows, written in granite wall at Lincolns memorial "my paramout objective in this struggle is to preserve the union & NOT to save or destroy slavery. If i could save the union without freena any slave, I would do it, and If I could save the union by freeing all slaves I would do it, and if I could save the union by freen some & leaving others alone, I would do that also".. Abraham Lincoln
falcondriver100 9 months ago
@civilwarcow LINCOLN SIGNED IT his second week in office dumbass. LOOK IT UP! FIrst you've heard of it & you call youself a "civil war history buff"?? Hahaha!! Thats pathetic.
Like is already said, it SPARKED the war (which means it "set it off" for the uneducated). Yes Decades of abuse & oppression already had States seceeding you dumbass. I can tell you're GED educated by your complete lack of reading comprehension.
falcondriver100 9 months ago
@civilwarcow I just sent it to you dumbass. LMAO!
falcondriver100 9 months ago
@civilwarcow Here's another video for you're uneducted, brainwashed mind to watch. "DIspelling an Abraham Lincoln myth". Its done by a BLACK MAN!! Imagine that! LMAO!! He shows the quote in granite that you said "I was adding a little of my own bised ideas to"............LMAO!! PWND!
falcondriver100 9 months ago
@civilwarcow Then look up the quote for yourself, or are you too ignorant to do that? Did you watch the freaking video I told you about or do I need to send it to your lazy ass?? He couldn't care LESS about slavery man. It was the excuse after putting the country thru a war due to the Norths economic opression & abuse of the south. Tell me Mr "Civil war history buff". Have yo ever heard of the "morrill tarriff" that Lincoln signed his 2nd week in office? Bet not & its what sparked the war. LOL!
falcondriver100 9 months ago
@civilwarcow Yeah thats what all the dropouts say huh?? LMAO!! Guess its better than being an uneducated idiot isn't it? Too bad I'm RIGHT though isn't it?
falcondriver100 9 months ago
@civilwarcow Oh really?? Watch the video "Surprising quotes by Lincoln" right here on youtube, then come back & tell me I'm "benighted" or "lying" again, JERK!
Its even written in GRANITE at the Lincoln memorial something to this effect "To end slavery or to spread the practice means nothing to me. My goal is the preservation of the union at all costs". LOOK IT UP! Then you might wanna thing about getting an education??
falcondriver100 9 months ago
@civilwarcow Yeah you hold a GED. I hold A masters degree but I'm the 'benighted' one. LOL! Whatever you say!
falcondriver100 9 months ago
@civilwarcow Even though its 6%(its a well know fact), I'll play YOUR game. Say it was 40%, what were the other 60% fighting & dying for? The wealthy's right to own slaves? Thats like saying today I'd fight a war so the rich could keep thier learjets. REDICULOUS!
Are you one of the brainwashed fools who thinks Lincoln started the war over slavery? LMAO! Do a little research my friend. Thats bullshit revisionist history. Lincoln stated he didn't care less about slavery.
falcondriver100 9 months ago
@civilwarcow Uh, I DID read it for myself. Its really easy to find.......type in "Texas declaration of secession" & it pops right up. I'm right & you're wrong.
falcondriver100 9 months ago
Thankyou Thankyou Thankyou for that first quote my Lincoln tyranny essay is complete!
stormjosh75 10 months ago
IT would be good if they kept the words up long enough to READ them to the end.
A speed reader could not read that fast.
Those are important words that NEED to be read !
CSAcitizen 11 months ago
I am originally from the north and believed for many years what I was taught about the civil war was the truth. after seeing many of these videos I am starting to form my own conclusions and have come to believe that what i have been taught is bullshit. does anybody know where i can buy some books that are truthfully written on this subject? God bless A merica as our founding fathers intended it to be.
ant240 1 year ago
@ant240 Yes, there are many good books. "Everything You Were Taught About the Civil War Is Wrong " by Lochlainn Seabrook. "Red Republicans and Lincoln's Marxists " by Walter Kennedy and Al Benson. "Abraham Lincoln" by Seabrook. That is just a couple, there are many. Also you can read a good introduction to TRUE history on the Trip Down Truth Road com web site - go to the history section on the list - Truth About the Civil War. I'd give the link but they do not allow it here.
CSAcitizen 11 months ago
One thing I'd suggest - leave the reading portions on longer - not everyone is a speed reader. These are too important to rush over.
God bless the CSA !
CSAcitizen 1 year ago
TubeTaxPro is the same idiot that has been RonPaulHatesBlacks and other crappy names. You can always tell it's him by his stupid remarks, filled with foul language and devoid of any evidence to back his fantasies. He is a proven idiot I finally tired of reading his rants.
67forceman 1 year ago
so long as we're agreed now over a century later after the abolishment of slavery nearly half a century after ALL citizens be allowed to vote, that we have learned that none of us are superior to another man but for the content of his character. Arguing over how the history will be told is not altogether fruitless but we must agree that we have learned more excellently than those who've gone b4 us that we are all equals in these great United States
joshuastoner1 1 year ago
Nice video and great finding all the quotes. History is written by the victors, who really lost our country for us all. That's why @fuklibs, it is a waste energy to try to argue with brainwashed children of the oligarchs of the North. You and I know the truth. It would have been very wise to heed the counsel of Genl. Toombs and not "take the bait" by firing on Sumter. The secession would have proceeded apace and Lincoln would have had to do something nobody wanted. He provoked the attack.
altstrasse 1 year ago
@taxTubePro: In addition to your obvious lack of civil language, you have a problem understanding what other people write. After succession, there was active discussion in the south of freeing slaves if they agreed to serve in the military. That is well documented.
somewhere6 1 year ago 4
The most effective way for the South to remove slavery as a motivation, justification or excuse as one might have it for forcibly reuniting the states would have been to abolish slavery themselves or at least to meaningfully, visibly, and demonstrably start that process (not just a few discussions). Succession was heavily based on the fear that abolition would be forced on slave states. Asserting a right or state right on the back of a practice like slavery will not gain much sympathy.
somewhere6 1 year ago
@somewhere6 wrong idiot. In fact, the governor of Florida, in his official Declaration of Causes -- (have you ever read it -- or ANY official declaration of causes by the South?) that NO ONE was saying the north was going to force abolition. He actually was very clear on that. HE said it was the talk about the North stopping the SPREAD of slavery.
Learn real history, not the insane bullshit the South has shit out its ass for 150 yeares.
TubeTaxPro 1 year ago
@somewhere6 You apparently are clueless about the South before the Civil War -- from 1820 on. Did you know it was a crime -- punishable by torture -- for anyone to write or read or publish or own any book or pamphlet, that even QUESTIONED slavery? Did you ever hear of the anit -incendiary laws?
The South went bat shit crazy to SUPRESS by violence, any such discussion, even religions were told what to preach.
The South even made it impossible to MENTION slavery in CONGRESS
TubeTaxPro 1 year ago
obviously its our right to seceed...if that isnt true, what is it besides slavery and imprisonment?
longfootbuddy 1 year ago
Taxfools your pathetic attempt to win this argument with such vulgar language is despicable. You should be ashamed, wash your mouth out!
ErikBCSA 1 year ago
Lincoln got what he deserved. It was ashame it came so late. We should have invaded DC after first manases like Davis wanted. Captured Lincoln and put a stop to the nationalization of America.
Luigi84289 1 year ago
@Luigi84289 It is interesting indeed that Confederate General Longstreet stated
"We should've ended slavery first, then declared war on the North" According to the movie "Gettysburg", that's what the Confederate General said.
djmyers71 1 year ago
@djmyers71 No dumb ass -- Longstreet never said anything like that. No one in his life time, including him, ever said that. Like most quotes like that, it was made up after 1900, when you pussies went into over drive to make up shit.
If he said that retard, why didn't he mention that in his book? Why didn't ANYONE mention that for 50 years? Like most of your shit about southern honor, its total shit that was made up later.
TubeTaxPro 1 year ago
if only the secession had been earlier. Jefferson, Washington and nearly all our early presidents would have come to the confederacies aid. John Tyler did and died in office in his home state. Our states are sovereign. Washington didn't fight for 12 years as a Virginian to have his state chained and manipulated into destruction by DC.
Luigi84289 1 year ago
Several of these quotes are engraved in stone at the Lincoln memorial in DC.
Its mind-numbing tryint to educate the brainwashed moronic-masses who think the war was over slavery & that the Confederate flag is a 'racist symbol'!!!!!
Gee why weren't they taught these things? All thats been shoved into thier peabrains is the PC revisionist history bullshit the liberals who run our school stystems want then to hear. Its all LIES!
flyboymd82 1 year ago
Politicians change thier minds all of the time and they change thier parites too, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few
krstnlhjt 1 year ago
Very very good video. Thank you for TRYING educating the ignorant. Sadly, people will believe what they want.
streakn 1 year ago 3
one of the best examples of the un PC truth. I think it's great.
goodolrebelva 1 year ago 3
@PeopleLieAboutTaxes
you have been missinformed my friend
kayaus2 1 year ago
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1stLtDavis 2 years ago
I first want to say that overall, I am glad that the South lost...not that there was ever really a chance for them to win.
We all know that the issues leading up to secession were by no means limited to slavery. Slavery was in no way being directly threatened in terms of its continued existence in the already declared "slave states."
The issues leading up to secession involved, generally, disputes over delegated federal authority, and how that authority affected state authority.
RebelGuy95 2 years ago
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RebelGuy95 2 years ago 6
There were no free blackks in the South -- none. Got that?
Jan 5 of 1863, Jeff Davis issued his order to "re-enslave" any person with any black blood. All blacks were "hereby" put back on the "slave status" and their issue (children) FOREVER.
Got that retard? Davis "re-enslaved" all slaves ever freed.
I guess they forgot to tell you shit like that dumb fuck
PeopleLieAboutTaxes 2 years ago
@PeopleLieAboutTaxes, Your first statement is really stupid, 13,000 free blacks in the south owned slaves. Duhh de de de! Davis never re-enslaved anybody. Along with Jackson and Lee, he wanted to have blacks fight for the CSA. GOT THAT DUMB FUCK? lol u seriously hsould stop. You think your right well dosent matter. Cuz ur wrong
Bigmoonproductions 1 year ago
You dumb fuck - there were no black confederate soldiers. None, not fucking one. There were some niggers that were with their owners -- but they were not part of the official CSA. They were slaves. They were the same niggers that helped owners whip slaves, steal children to sell, ect,
There were NO known black soldiers in the CSA. Not one, not ever. Blacks were property anyway, not humans, according to the South.
PeopleLieAboutTaxes 2 years ago
@PeopleLieAboutTaxes
ha were do you get this bullshit? let me know with sources, and you don't have any cause you just try to start shit. like i said meet me in REAL life, not through a computer, and also go look up blacks in the confederacy, you so are fucking stupid, there were black in the csa dumbass. that was the stupidest thing i've ever heard
obqb8 2 years ago 2
What fucking part of this don't you get?
I didn't say it -- Jeff Davis did. Got that - -JEFF DAVIS said 2/3 of your soldiers deserted. Got it so far?
He said you COULD NOT POSSIBLY LOSE if those men didn't desert. Got that retard? That was HIS statement, not mine.
But far MORE men deserted after he said this.
Try to grasp this retard -- your OWN CSA leaders said over 3/4 the men deserted. Davis said 2/3 by summber of 64.
Learn real history of souther pussies.
PeopleLieAboutTaxes 2 years ago
Yes the North had more people. No fucking duh - because most immigrants went NORTH cause they didnt want to go where slavery was.
Got that dumb fuck? Immigrants made all the difference in the war -- and the North had far more. The South was choking to death -- slave population was growing like wild fire -- but the white population was falling way behind.
Why, dumb fuck? Cause of slavery dumb fuck. The South would have been twice as large popultion wise if they didnt have slavery.
PeopleLieAboutTaxes 2 years ago 2
Ob do you grasp this yet dumb fuck?
At the time the South was saying WE MUST SPREAD slavery or die. Do you grasp that?
The war was really about the South trying to violently spread slavery to the west and north. Why? They said why -- cause they were choking to death on slavery.
Linconl said keep slavery were it is -- they will choke to death on it. The South said the same exact thing --
Learn what the South was saying THEN dumb fuck -- in their official declarations.
PeopleLieAboutTaxes 2 years ago
@PeopleLieAboutTaxes
i live in the south, you don't know shit. the north always had at least 200,000 more men in every battle, and even 1,000,000 at once, the most the south had was 500,000, which the north beat out by 200,000, learn things before you try to argue, your just a dumb ass. wait dumb fuck that won't do it and you don't know anything. like ive said, you talk shit through a computer, but in real life, your just a bitch
obqb8 2 years ago
OB you live in a world of myth and make believe dumb fuck.
The South had far more men and weapons to start. The SSouth had far more men the entire war -- counting the slaves you forced to work for Confederate war effort.
But you had whites deserting by the hundreds of thousands - probably half million of your own soldiers fucking deserted.
Got that retard?
Davis HIMSELF said without the massive desertions -- no way you lose. But you had massive desertions.
Thats from DAVIS.
PeopleLieAboutTaxes 2 years ago 2
@PeopleLieAboutTaxes
you are so fucking retarded, the north had the army. the us army, they have more men than guys from the south fighting with their huntin rifles, and free slaves fought and served the confederacy, and there are many proud black confederates dumbass. and after the war, the blacks were treated worse in the north than the south, explain that? and were do you even get your bullshit sources?
obqb8 2 years ago
What do you call a nation where over 3/4 of the soldiers desert in the face of enemy fire?
I call it the Confederacy.
PeopleLieAboutTaxes 2 years ago
and the north were savages, they burned cities to the ground, and raped women and kill civilians, you are so fucking stupid, if i knew you personally id beat your ass every fucking day, you are about the stupid piece of shit ive ever talked to
obqb8 2 years ago
obq wrong dumb fuck -- your shit is the myth the losers and cowards from the CSA have handed down.
The fact is dumb fuck -- over 3/4 of the Confederate soldiers deserted. . That's what Davis said -- that's what Beauregard and Johnston said.
You used over a million slaves as forced labor for your defenses.
Your own leading historian/writer Shelby Foote said there were NO -- NO rapes by Sherman's troops. None. Zero.
But slaves were raped every day -- and their children sold
SteamboatCamp 2 years ago
Look man don't bother. He is clearly a troll. Thus proving yankee savagery all over again.
CapnConfederacy 2 years ago
@CapnConfederacy
yeah i know, thanks man
obqb8 2 years ago
You're welcome. I just can't stand these bloody fools.
CapnConfederacy 2 years ago
@CapnConfederacy
i know, at least know history before you try to win a argue, i mean he said the csa had more troops and supplies, and yet we only had 9 million people to the norths 22 million and they had 94% of supplies, everywhere ive looked it said if the population and industrial power were the same, theres little reason to believe the union could have defeated the confederacy. and its true, they almost lost with the way it was
obqb8 2 years ago
OB wrong dumb fuck.
Guess who said you would win easily if you pussies didnt desert?
Davis -- that's who. Davis said you COULD NOT POSSIBLY lose if 2/3 of the men had not deserted.
That's what DAVIS said dumb fuck -- talk to him. And he said that in summer of 64, after which desertions grew much worse.
Ob wrong dumb fuck -- you fought on your own ground, idiot. YOu had 4 million slaves -- many of which you forced to work for you.
If your own troops didnt desert, youcan't
SteamboatCamp 2 years ago 2
OB -- dumb fuck - the South had far more troops and supplies at the start of the war. Got that retard?
Why? Most forts were in the South, and because slave owners had run the country for almost the entire time -- southern states had more generals.
The South also spent a year or more getting ready for the civil war -- stealing weapons, talking desertion and urging traitors to defect.
The South also fought on its own ground -- and used a million or more slave labor.
PeopleLieAboutTaxes 2 years ago
@PeopleLieAboutTaxes
you are a dumbass, and you have several screen names, the north had 22 million and the south had 9 million, were do you get saying the south had more men, and factories were in the north, not the south, you are so fucking stupid. and lincoln started the war, the south just wanted to go in peace, and you lose another argument.
obqb8 2 years ago
DUmb fuck -- most of the North wasnt in the war -- most men didnt serve, most places weren't that involved.
The South you dumb fuck wanted to SPREAD slavery. That's what their own leaders said at the time idiot. SPREAD slavery.
The Southern leaders said this themselves dumb fuck -- at the time. Spread slavery or perish.
They were choking to death on slavery and desperately needed to expand slavery.
That's what THEY said THEMSELVES at the time dumb fuck -- in official documents.
PeopleLieAboutTaxes 2 years ago
Pussy Confederacy--
Sorry dumb fuck -- someone should tell you the truth. The truth is, the South should have won easily. Fought on your own ground -- with two or three times the number of soldiers and laborers at the start.
No dumb fuck - you were never out numbered, because you had a million slaves forced to work for the confederacy.
Your own fucking soldiers deserted -- Lee said so himself. By summer of 64 2/3 had deserted. By spring of 65, over 3/4.
Pussies.
PeopleLieAboutTaxes 2 years ago
Lars -- good point. Before the Civil War whites did not have freedom of speech, press, or religion.
The South was very Nazi like to whites --because free speech and press would undermine slavery.
Religion was regulated by the South -- whites were whipped if they caught with any book that MIGHT "dissatisfy" a slave.
The South had Nazi like totalitarianism -- but even Nazis did not rape slaves, then sell their own children from rapes. The South did that while praising Jesus.
PeopleLieAboutTaxes 2 years ago
you will also remember, Cleburne wanted to arm negro troops, Lee did not. You have to tread careful on this territory my friends, if you scorn history and think you know better yourself...why did Lee only want to defend virginia? (yes he sent longstreet to TN) But think what would have happened if a country(CSA) were allowed to exist....the Govt declared martial law EVERYWHERE! is that the Govt you want?
larsjake 2 years ago
The Confederacy was based on slavery -- it's own leaders bragged about that.
Now of course, Southern apologists insist slavery didnt have anything to do with it.
Plus -- the South never had free elections before the Civil War- - they had "Saddam" elections, where only those people slavers approved could even get on the ballot.
There was no freedom of speech or press or religion in the South before the Civil War.
In short -- the South was very Nazi like.
PeopleLieAboutTaxes 2 years ago
@PeopleLieAboutTaxes That was my point, everyone looks back on the south as a grand place to be, and it was if you were a white protestant land/slave owner. I am from the south, and they still hang on to that attitude today, although they don't realize during that time they would have been conspcrpited for the duration of the war against their will. Not saying the federals were a whole lot bettr, but the south was very oppresive to its non-aristocratic citizens.
larsjake 2 years ago
@PeopleLieAboutTaxes
no it was not, southern generals did not have slaves, and if the war was about slavery then the northern generals would have fought for the south as well, lincoln didn't like it but also didn't hate it, he wanted to send blacks back to africa. now learn the facts, who started the civil war? the north did, who were mean and burned towns and starved women and children the north did. the south just wanted to be their own government and be free, the north, and face it if the
obqb8 2 years ago
ob you are too fucking to stupid for me to correct all at once.
Yes dumb fuck -- most Southern leaders not only had slaves -- thats fucking how they got rich idiot.
North was mean? Dumb fuck -- it was a war. And Sherman gave not only warnings dumb fuck -- he helped to relocate people, he offered truces and support to help people get out of his way.
It was you fucks who raped, terrorized, hung, whipped, sold humans dumb fuck.
It was you who started the war -- and you who ran away
SteamboatCamp 2 years ago
@PeopleLieAboutTaxes
north didn't have 94% of the supplies, the war would have turned out the other way, im glad america is what it is today, but the north were evil basturds
obqb8 2 years ago
Ob sorry- -the South had far more men, and supplies, to start. And you used over a million slaves to build earth works you fucks hid behind
Got that dumb fuck? The only reason you had less men, dumb fuck, is 3/4 of you pussies deserted. Davis himself said if you pussies didnt desert, you win easily.
So you fucks start the war- get your ass kicked --desert -- then cry about your own desertions
Typical punk. You were real tuff beating up slaves - real pussies running away.
SteamboatCamp 2 years ago
@SteamboatCamp
dude, your a fucking dumbass that doesn't know what hes talkin about, the northern generals were slave owners, the southern generals did not, and don't you know anything about your country you stupid little fuck? the north had more men, and the factories were up north, thats why theres things called plantations in the south you know, cause were rural you stupid ass bitch, the north started the war, weren't noble men, and the south beat yalls ass in just about every battle
obqb8 2 years ago
@SteamboatCamp you have no idea about anything, go play with the guy you experimented with in middle school and you were even smart enough to get out by now, you are a dumb piece of shit. and most of the time the union retreated, the only way yall ever won was because you have supplies and you would starve women and children and the noble men of the south would surrender so they could get food. you probably should just kill yourself. your making yourself look even worse than you mom did
obqb8 2 years ago
@SteamboatCamp
and also lincoln didnt like slaves, even wanted to send them back, northerns owned slaves too, oh and you stupid fuck, even free blacks owned slaves, and freed slaves after the war said they like it better as slaves because they were treated better, the south treated blacks better, we had better generals and out men were better fighters, the north just sucked, all they had was more weapons and men, and they still got their ass beat down, and shut the fuck up, your too stupid
obqb8 2 years ago
You fought on your own ground dumb fuck -- using over a million slaves to do your work, idiot.
The North had to first replace all the weapons, horses, money, material you fucks stole. You had far more men, you fought on your own ground, and you still surrendered like pussies.
Who the fuck surrenders on their OWN ground? Even the French and Italians didnt do that. But you pussies did.
SteamboatCamp 2 years ago
@SteamboatCamp
you are so stupid, 9% owned slaves. you just too fucking stupid for me to carry a conversation on with, so don't fucking talk to me bitch, go suck a dick and die somewhere
obqb8 2 years ago
OB wrong dumb fuck -- almost 100% of the Confederate leaders owned slaves, or their familes did. Got that dumb fuck?
Not 9% you fucking idiot.
50% of the families SC had slaves. Almost 100% of the Confederate leaders. Got that retard
SteamboatCamp 2 years ago
@SteamboatCamp
ha you say the same thing over and over, but i guess you aren't smart enough to think of anything else, and im talkin about 9% of the south you fucking dumbass, like one general had them, more northern generals had slaves. you don't know anything about history, just end your life, im sure no one would care, your mom would probably be so happy that she can stop apologizing for your ignorant, dumbass ways. don't bother replying cause im not gonna listen to what you say
obqb8 2 years ago
OB dumb fuck -- try this on idiot.
Southerners BRAGGED their economy was slave based. They BRAGGED that most of them owned slaves -- virtually everyone of "status" owned slaves you idiot.
The poor who didnt own slaves were looke down on dumb fuck.
Almost 100% of confederate leaders owned slaves, or came from famlies who had slaves dumb fuck
SteamboatCamp 2 years ago
@SteamboatCamp
your just making yourself look like a dumbass and you are. go google advantages and disadvantages for both sides of the civil war and youll see im right, oh and lee wanted slaves to be free and jackson wanted them to be free and tought blacks how to read and write, while on the union side, all generals said if the war was about slavery, then they would lay down their sword and fight for the other side, get your facts right dumbass, the north had 22 mil, while the south had 9 mil
obqb8 2 years ago
Lee wanted slaves to be free my ass. He whipped the shit out of slaves that tried to be free you fucking idiot.
Jackson taught them to read? DUmb fuck -- the only reading these slavers taught, you fucking idiot, was just enough so the slaves could "read" parts of the bible that said slaves should let masters fuck em up the ass.
Got that retard? The only thing they could read was insane shit dumb fuck. They weren't allowed anything else dumb fuck.
SteamboatCamp 2 years ago
@SteamboatCamp
haha you can't think of anything else? besides dumb fuck and retard? ha you yankees are all the same, im done wasting my time, hope you die a horrible death. and thats sincere
obqb8 2 years ago
That's right. If all things were equal the 3rd National would be hanging from the state house today.
CapnConfederacy 2 years ago
@CapnConfederacy
yes sir it would
obqb8 2 years ago
@SteamboatCamp
everyone can see how ignorant and just how stupid you really are, you don't know anything and probably shouldn't won a computer much less try to argue something you have no idea about
obqb8 2 years ago
What is the advantage to sharing a government with a Tyrant?
There is none.
We must be Free of the Tyrant, for now and for ever.
For the sake of our Children, we must be Free of the Federal Beast, so that we can go our own way, and so that our Children can as well, in their own time.
Secession now, Freedom forever!
ThisIsWar14 2 years ago
The Federal Government is broken and can not be fixed.
But even if it could be fixed, what would be the advantage for us to do so?
Why should any other Free and Independent State share a Government with the likes of New England?
They have no more inclination for give and take or compromise than did King George of Old England!
New England, like Old England, desires only to dominate their will upon others.
ThisIsWar14 2 years ago
Revisionism is NOT bad if you revise the proper subjects. Are you saying that we should continue with the pathetic mythology of Lincoln's cottage industry built upon his myths, or should we revise it ??? This is just one example of something that NEEDS revising, the bullshit mythologies of Ab Lincoln. I am a real degree historian pursuing a master's , and I will bust my ass to REVISE any of the bullshit myths about this would be federal tyrant Lincoln !
EducatedRebellion101 2 years ago 2
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Joseph so the fuck what retard -- how fucking stupid can you be? What the fuck difference does it make if Davis sent people to Lincoln you dumb fuck?
I verified to your dumb fucking ass that the SOUTH was PLANNING and THREATENING to secede if Lincoln won.
Within HOURS of Lincoln winning dumb fuck, South Carolina started to secede.
On a complete fucking retard does not know the election of Lincoln made the punk asses shit their pants.
Read the fucking SOUTHS own words -- idiot.
Taxfools 2 years ago
Upon reviewing this accounts information, it is abundantly clear that you are the same user; as virtually all other posts on this thread were made from your numerous accounts. They were created within mere days of eachother, which is just this side of violating YouTube's rules.
South Carolina seceded in late December....Lincoln had been President-Elect for weeks... No one wanted a "shooting war" except perhaps Lincoln and some of his confidants...As his inaugural suggests.
Joseph565112 2 years ago
@Joseph565112 -- Southern history books written in 1866 bragged that they had promised war if Lincoln was elected.
The Southern pussies wanted to spread their slavery, because they were choking to death on their slaves. Lincoln said slavery was a cancer that will kill its host -- which is why he wanted to keep slavery in the South.
The SOuth AGREED -- their own leaders predicted the physical DEATH of the South if they were not allowed to spread slavery.
TubeTaxPro 1 year ago
@TubeTaxPro You're full of shit. The war had almost nothing to do with slavery. Lincoln Never said that but he DID say "my paramount objective is to save the union & not to save or destroy slavery" and "If I can save the union without freeing any slave I would do it".
The war was over the systematic economic oppression of the south. Its why the north made blacks 3/5ths human so they weren't counted in the census for representation. Look up the "morrill tarriff". Its what sparked the war dummy!
fuklibs 1 year ago
@fuklibs you are so stupid I don't know where to start. The NORTH didnt make slaves 3/5 anything retard. That was the SOUTHERN SCUM who insisted on that, the blacks of course had no rights, but SOUTHERN SCUM insisted they be counted for Congressional and Electoral purposes.
Guess who said the blacks were not even HUMAN in the law? That they were like piles of shit or dogs or a bucket? That was your Southern leaders Davis and Taney you stupid fuck. Learn real history
TubeTaxPro 1 year ago
@TubeTaxPro Hey ignorant fuck, between 1800 and 1860 6 tarriffs were enacted in order to devastate the Southern States, the Morrill tarriff signed into law March 2nd, 1861 but was however in the works for MONTHS before it was signed into law and IT WAS the final straw & the reason for the Secessions STUPID FUCK!!! Yeah they seceeded a month before it was enacted, that DOESN'T mean it wasn't the cause of the war!
Only one tarriff helped the south, passed in 1857 to appease the South MORON!
fuklibs 1 year ago 5
@TubeTaxPro LMAO!! You've GOT to be the dumbest motherfucker on the planet! How would it benifit the South to make them 3/5ths human? It benifitted the North by not counting them in the census, therefore the South had fewer Congressional representatives than they SHOULD!
Guess what ignoramus, the North had slaves too and blacks had no rights in the North OR the South. They couldn't own land & they couldn't vote. You think racism only occured in the South? LOL!
"Learn real history"? LOL! IDIOT
fuklibs 1 year ago 3
Morril Tarrif sparked the WAR? Well dumb fucks like you would think that.
You stupid fuck -- the morrill tarifff didnt even pass until AFTER -- AFTER seven southern states seceded. Did you know that you stupid fuck?
Plus, the earlier tariffs, some in the South WANTED them. Kentucky senators, and two Georgia Senators, voted FOR the earlier tariffs.
TubeTaxPro 1 year ago
@Joseph565112 - Lincoln's first inaugural is famous for his trying to AVOID any conflict at all.
Lincoln wanted ONE thing -- to stop the SPREAD of slavery. That's all he thought possible to do. He knew, and said -- and the south said he was right -- that if he could stop the SPREAD of slavery, slavery would kill the host.
Slavery was a cancer, and the South was in stage 4. It was going to die if it could not spread it's shit. Read the Southern governors who said exactly that.
TubeTaxPro 1 year ago
@TubeTaxPro Lincoln didn't give a SHIT about slavery you idiot! Written in granite at the Lincoln Memorial is a quote of Lincolns "My paramount objective it to save the union & is not to save or destroy slavery. If I can save the union without freen any slave I would do it".
Put that in your pipe and smoke it ya brainwashed, revisionist history taught, indoctrinated fool! You have no idea what you're talking about.
The war was over unconstitutional economic oppression of the South, idiot!
fuklibs 1 year ago 9
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@fuklibs you stupid fuck -- not everything LIncoln said it on there, retard. Do you grasp that you cum swallowing monkey?
Lincoln also said slave owners should be KICKED TO DEATH. Not kicked to unsconsciousness, but KICKED TO DEATH.
Got that dumb fuck? Then, as soon as he could, he kicked the living fuck out of slavery, and the God of slavery you fucks had in the South. Lincoln kicked your pussy God to death, he kicked your pussy army to death.
TubeTaxPro 1 year ago
@TubeTaxPro How old are you man? You talk like a 5th grade bully. Its great though b/c it makes you look like the fool that you are.
Only 6% of Southerners owned slaves(Including free blacks). Yeah, the other 94% of the 300,000 killed were fighting for the wealthy to keep their slaves! LMAO! Keep on beleiveing that you moron. I guess its also why over 100,000 FREE blacks men VOLUNTEERED to fight for the south & why many blacks to this day fly the confederate flag in the south.
Duuurh!
fuklibs 1 year ago 7
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@fuklibs if you think 100,000 blacks voluntered for the Confederate Army, you believe in Jolly Green Giant.
You stupid fuck -- we have the debates in CSA Congress at the end of the war, arguing whether to get blacks in the Army. Have you read those debates? Why the fuck debate putting blacks in -- if 100,000 were already THERE?
YOu stupid fuck, you are dumber than box of rocks.
You just bend over, spread your ass, and beg other dumb fucks to shove up any phoney crap up your ass/
TubeTaxPro 1 year ago
@TubeTaxPro LMAO! Those debates were about if they should free the slaves IF they would serve in the military as a payment (if you will) for being set free you idiot! The ones who served in the Confederacy were already free an volunteered to fight!
Any explanation as to what the 94% of non slave owners were fighting for since you're so IGNORANT as to beleive the war was over slavery or why today in year 2010 there is an organization called the "Black Confederates"?
Brainwashed fool!
fuklibs 1 year ago 15
@fuklibs wrong dumb fuck -- the Act specifically said they would NOT be free -- read Sec 5 retard.
Sect 5 specifically stated, there will be NO change in the slave status of those drafted.
TubeTaxPro 1 year ago
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@fuklibs Davis said it was about slvery., Your vice president said it was about slavery. Your official documents from each state at the outset, said it was about slavery. Why did your Vice President, say it loudly and proudly, then and later, that slavery was the bedrock, the cornerstone of the confederacy?
Sorry dumb ass, southern leaders at the time said it was about slavery. They only changed their excuses when they lost.
TubeTaxPro 1 year ago
@TubeTaxPro You're so full of shit I'd bet my house that your eyes are brown!
Davis never said that & only ONE Declaraion of Secession even MENTIONED slavery, MS's you moron! Like I told you earlier, only 6% of southerners owned slaves. "The cornerstone of the confederacy"? LMAO!
Name the "southern leaders" who said it was over slavery and CITE EVIDENCE!
The Southern states were economically oppressed by greedy fucks & after 600,000 died, Lincoln covered his ass with the 'slavery excuse'.
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TubeTaxPro 1 year ago
@fuklibs I sent you Davis speech where said -- VERY CLEARLY -- that slavery is SO obviously the cornerstone, the foundation of the Confederacy, that he does not even have to elaborate on that.
Im also going to send you speech by your VICE president,saying the same thing. He adds that God told the South to enslave blacks, that this "moral truth" is the very foundation of the Confederacy.
Also sending several Declarations of Causes saying very clearly it was about slavery
TubeTaxPro 1 year ago
@fuklibs Six percent? You fucking idiot. I'm going to send you the DeBow Review founder --- his magazine was the South's most popular publication. He explains how over HALF of the families in SC, MS, and LA had slaves, how there were 2 million slave owers -- 375,000 heads of household had slaves, but an effective ownership of 2 million.
Read what the SOUTH leaders said dumb fuck. You scum sucking pigs have been cowards long after you soldiers and leaders ran like pussies
TubeTaxPro 1 year ago
@fuklibs actuall i think it was lower than 6%
XConfederateSoldierX 1 year ago
@fuklibs We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.
-Texas declaration of causes for succesion
liberalmike1994 9 months ago
@liberalmike1994 obviously it was about slavery.
liberalmike1994 9 months ago
@liberalmike1994 Sounds like modern day Democrats! LMAO! "Regarded as an inferior and dependent race"......Hmm. Welfare & affirmative action & lowered testing scores for blacks ring a bell??
Oh, and did you happen to read the OTHER 14 paragraphs liberalmike? The war had VERY LITTLE to do with slavery. It was mostly about the economic oppression of the south & the overstepping of the Federal Gov't on States rights & violations of the Constitution. Wake up ye brainwashed dork.
falcondriver100 9 months ago 3
@falcondriver100 most of the other paragraphs simply elaborated on how the south was angry about abolitionists and the norths refusal to inforce the fugitive slave act. I read the whole document and the majority of the causes listed are related to slavery.
liberalmike1994 9 months ago
@liberalmike1994 You must have very limited reading comprehension skills, OR you could just be lying like a typical liberal b/c the VAST MAJORITY of the rest of the Texas Secession declaration says nothing about slavery & speaks of the economic oppression, unconstitutional overstepping of the Federal Gov't & the morrill tarriffs imposed on the Southern States.
falcondriver100 9 months ago 2
@liberalmike1994 Let me ask you a question liberalmike. If the war was over slavery, why did over 100,000 FREE black men VOLUNTEER to fight for the Confederacy? Why is there today a black Confederates group? 6% of southerners owned slaves, what were the other 94% fighting & dying for, the right for the wealthy to own slaves? LMAO!
Are you aware than free blacks in the south also owned slaves? Read the GRANITE wall at the Lincloln memorial in DC. Lincoln didn't care about slavery & SAID SO!
falcondriver100 9 months ago 2
@falcondriver100 Gee, it seems the typically uneducated, brainwashed, indoctrinated, 22 year old, liberal MORON "liberalmike 1994" doesn't want to answer any questions. Imagine that! He's been on as recently as two hours ago..............Hmmmmm.
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liberalmike1994 9 months ago
@falcondriver100 There weren't 100,000 blacks in the confederate army let alone fighting. of the whites in the confederate army the majority were fighting for slavery because they beleived it was the basis of their whole society and rich southerners worked to convince them of this.The few blacks that were used by the confederacy were used for manual labor.
liberalmike1994 9 months ago
@TubeTaxPro
there are numerous accounts of black volunteers in confederate uniforms, and I mean SOLDIERS not human mules. In 1865 the debate was over and official, nation-wide recruitment,
lang217 1 year ago 12
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@lang217 first of all retard, you have no clue if they "volunteered" or were fooled or lied to -- or most likely, if they were the same black fucks who helped the white man by whipping other blacks, holding the little boys and girls down what master butt fucked fhem. SLvery would have been impossible without some traitors to their race.
But those black you talk about were NOT in the CSA. They probably were suck up slaves who got the uniforms of dead rebel soldiers.
Hard telling.
TubeTaxPro 1 year ago
@lang217 when and where?
liberalmike1994 9 months ago
The very fact that you have created this many accounts is obvious evidence of your mental instability. I want you to know, I have Never blocked Anyone on my vids, until you came along. All of your accounts will be blocked for the usage of profanity, disinformation, "trolling," and for history revisionism in regards to facts accepted by All credible historians, authors and biographers of this period. ( Regardless of their personal feelings of the sides involved. ) Congratulations.
Joseph565112 2 years ago
@Joseph565112 Great video Joseph. Starting with the US Army Band playing Dixie is so appropriate. And Hoyt Axton and Bobby Horton, whose done incredible musicology work on Southern and Northern music of the day. Sorry you have had to deal with scum people with gutter language. It serves to remind us all of what we inherited- the rise of the unionists and one worlders who are Godless. So many think history is what the revisionist have written. Two books: Children of Pride ,& Mary Chesnuts diary.
altstrasse 1 year ago
Those punk asses you speak of pussy boy are waiting on pricks like you and your Obama soldiers when they come here to carry out martial law on us, you pathetic Lincoln loving fairy boy. Your hero was a racist, and a tyrant in the making. His own puppet masters had him killed through another puppet boy Boothe. Sure SC was planning to secede if Lincoln won, they knew what a federal tyrannical piece of shit he was BOY !! Africans owned slaves in America and SOLD their own people to the ships.
EducatedRebellion101 2 years ago
@Taxfools some people sure do like making themselves look stupid if you possess such a grand sea of knowledge that the rest of us lack then it should be easy to realize why the south left in your own words. Northern control. The republican party was a northern party which cared about only northern interests.
Luigi84289 1 year ago
@Taxfools
That doesn't make any sense. The south wanted to secede, so they were at fault? You do realize 100% of the Founding Fathers were secessionists, right? Otherwise we wouldn't have SECEDED from the British Empire. Secession is a natural right.
FlashVirus 1 year ago
@FlashVirus If "Secession is a natural right", then why did we have to fight for independence from Great Britain?
I do believe that the only time in a thousand years history that a nation split peacefully was Czechoslovakia in 1996, into Czech Republic and Slovakia.
tazedbrothree 1 year ago
@tazedbrothree
I am sorry this is my fault. I misquoted the other youtuber. He was saying secession WASN'T a natural right, so I was saying it IS a natural right because we Americans seceded from Britain.
And I'm not a secessionist anymore... as in.. I wouldn't really want my end goal for there to be a state seceding from the union. I want the individual to secede from the state.
FlashVirus 1 year ago
@FlashVirus True, its always a natural right---but is hardly ever free as it is often paid in the price of death. Freedom is never Free. My grandmother who lived through WW2 reminds me of this often. My fear now is more and more of our real human rights are being invaded in the name of so called "rights" and political correctness. It will be our downfall I can assure you if we keep going this direction.
djmyers71 1 year ago
@djmyers71 what rights don't you have?
You stupid cunt. You have the right to vote on every fucking office - dog catcher, alderman, sheriff, tax assessor, school board, county board, alderman, judges, the list goes on and on. And you can RUN for office and fix everything you stupid fuck.
Someone told your fucking ass that you don't have any rights. You got more rights than anyone in history retard.
You just want to bitch and fit in with the other dumb fucks
TubeTaxPro 1 year ago
The SOUTH said -- they warned in ADVANCE that if Lincoln won the election-- the South would take it as an ACT OF WAR.
Who says? The SOUTH says - the Editor of the Richmond Examiner - and biographer of Jeff Davis -- and staunch Confederate. He wrote a book about the Civil War -- and said so.
Plus, the same sentiment is all over the place in contemporary books documents and articles
I will send you the quote, since you won't look it up.
Taxfools 2 years ago
That is not true, Davis sent over 300 commissioners to the U.S. to make ensure "peace with Lincoln's government..." The began almost immediately after Lincoln won the election ( late december of '60 ) Georgia sent Hans Bertöld and Michael Steffen before they officially seceded. No one wanted war a "shooting war" Anyone with a brain knew that the Confederacy would lose. And they did....
Joseph565112 2 years ago
@Joseph565112 You stupid fuck -- I am telling you what SOUTHERN historians said. I didn't say it, SOUTHERN HISTORIANS at the time said it. Southern historians bragged that THEY had warned the North all through the election, that if their guy was not elected, they would take that as a declaration of WAR.
Go read the SOUTHS own fucking books written at the time BY southerners you stupid fuck
TubeTaxPro 1 year ago
@Taxfools, YOUR WRONG. Go read some correct history.
Bigmoonproductions 1 year ago
Okay Joe -- go to the SOUTHS own book in 1865. A book they wrote, and is available on Google Books. Southern History of the Great Civil War in the United States, 1865
By Edward Alfred Pollard page 37
Taxfools 2 years ago
You're still yelling at your screen or trying to convey that yelling at me...why?
Yes, no one with an adequate education in U.S. History has ever said that one meager election caused secession...
Joseph565112 2 years ago
Joe - no one said it was about the election of Lincoln?????
Sure the underlying reason was slavery - -as the SOUTH said. But the immediate reason was LINCOLN WINNING.
In fact, the South said if Lincoln was elected, they would take it as an ACT OF WAR. Keep in mind - Lincoln was bending over backwards to ACCOMODATE slavery - and they despised him so much that if he won in 1860, it would be an ACT OF WAR.
Want the quote? Want to learn a little how crazy these lunatics were?
Taxfools 2 years ago
What a fucking joke. So the South had the right to "throw off an oppressive government" because they lost an honest election. You lose an election and thats oppression dumb fuck???
How the FUCK did the South treat those who tried to rebel agains them for REAL oppression (slavery).
The South handled rebellion or insurection from slaves by burning them to death in front of their families.
The South were a bunch of fucking Nazi scum, cry babies, and lunatics.
Taxfools 2 years ago
No one has ever said that it was over a mere election. You are the first I have ever heard say such nonesense.
No more historical illiteracy from you please, but above all, please do not SHOUT profanity on this thread....and for no apparent reason. Only lunatics screem at their computer screen...
Thanks in Advance.
Joseph565112 2 years ago
Beg your pardon, "...scream..."
Joseph565112 2 years ago
The reaction in 1860 being the first time a republican had won a congressional majority and the seat of the presidency is something most people today don't understand. It was about influence. The Government was the Northern states, The Unity was gone by that point. And if you read the RR's platform abolishing slavery is not there. Lincoln didn't care he cared about money. Only reason he did it was to maintain control.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
AWESOME WORK!!! WOW! that's inspiring.
jmanreel 2 years ago 4
Yeah, what's really sad is that I actually got two of his quotes towards the "negro race" off of the KKK's website.... Yep.... They provided their source and it is a well known book, the Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln by Roy Basler. However, they had it under their "Lincoln, friend or foe?" link. They virtually praised him for leaving slavery alone as long as he possibly could....hoping that the war would end before he woud be forced to use to his politcal advantage.
Joseph565112 2 years ago
He would always have had to use that. He was conquering land. You have to divide and set the people against each other. Where there is disunity it is much easier to gain control.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
Lincoln and tariffs my ass.
First of all - the Morill tarrif wasnt even under Lincoln, it was under Buchanan.
Secondly, the later Morill tarrifs didnt even apply to the South as long as LIncoln lived.
So Lincoln as some kind of tariff boogey man is just nonsense.
Also - to the extent ANY tariff was an issue -- even that was about slavery. The tariff was on ENGLISH goods, not US. And the NORTH paid far more cause they imported far more.
12FlyMe 2 years ago
See, this is where I draw the line with you again...You are once again being disingenuous to any other viewers and are trying to distort historical fact, as is protrayed on many pro-North and pro-Lincoln documentaries and books, as well as pro-Confederacy....both. Lincoln was a moderate, you are apparently not very well versed with his assessment of the "negro race." However, that all aside, tariffs and government power was HUGE at this time. Less you forget, the FEDs were not supreme...yet.
Joseph565112 2 years ago
The American system of protective tariffs had been going on since clay with the souths disagreement the entire time. People forget the nullification of the 1830's. That state was the same state to secede first.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
Of course Lincoln was nominated because he could come off as a moderate to people who heard him. He could disarm the haters -- if they heard him in person.
But the SOUTH didnt fucking think he was a moderate - as I proved. Nor did they hear him speak.
I showed you a typical Southern editorial protrayed Lincoln -- dangerous, treasonous - out to destroy the south.
Thats the view the SOUTH had. Thats why they were bat shit crazy when Lincoln won.
12FlyMe 2 years ago
Lincoln was a moderate, yes...that is well established. Lincoln supported and supported increasing tariffs that were already financially choking most Southerners due to their being largely lower middle class to down right poor. He and his party were the very epitome of Centralist in regards to the federal government and its power etc. This in the land of the Anti-Federalists and Classical "free-thinkers" were monsterous to rich and poor alike. You are really not doing the politics justice here.
Joseph565112 2 years ago
"there is no disguising the fact that the doctrine of the freesoil party means the TOTAL extiniction of the Southern institutions (slavery), or it means nothing.
The doctrine, dangerous and treasonable, was proclaimed by Lincoln in these words "I believe this government can not endure half slave and half free"
"in other words -slavery must be abolished." Jackson Miss Weekly Messenger, March 20 1860, and printed in many other southern papers.
SteamboatPolar 2 years ago
You are aware that the free soil party dissolved largely due to this idea / hope? The Republicans were formed from its less adimant members and Lincoln was Nominated because he was not really anti-slavery or pro-slavery...a "moderate?" That is why they picked him....again that even comes from the Burns documentary. Lincoln made a similar statement about the proposal in the Missouri-Compromise that perhaps a State could be both.....obviously that would not work well. However, the rest is opinion.
Joseph565112 2 years ago
You say the South was not moved to secede by any fear that Lincoln or the Republicans would stop slavery?
Hardly. In fact, basic hatred of Lincoln - and the immediate secession of SC - came because he was supposedly going to free the slaves.
The fact you have no clue of this - strange, you seem smart. Let me quote a typical Southern Newspaper at the time.
SteamboatPolar 2 years ago
Yeah....many hated him.....because at this point in history, there was a real difference between Republican and Democrat in regards to the size of government and spending and local autonomy etc. Well, if you are again talking about the Fugitive Slave Law, then that is just a prime example of the North-Eastern States taking issue with the Constitution...
Joseph565112 2 years ago
Southern lunatics - -defending the South as freedom loving, come up with sentences like this
Honor and security demanded that slavery be treated as no less sacrosanct than freedom
Did you read that Southern nonsense - slavery had to be treated as holy and inviolate as freedom.
This is the kind of bat shit crazy things the south said.
To them -- liberty actually meant the right to enslave others.
SteamboatPolar 2 years ago