i think it is reasonable to start preparing now.the world is changing and i think it would be naive to expect any of our governments to help us.we would be in immediate effect on our own.i dont believe the world is gonna end in the next ten years but i do think something is goin to happen that will change our way of life as we know it.i want to live and survive, thats not mad.its just basic instinct.i am preparing now!
Scenario: Political upheaval leads to skyrocketing oil; Gas and diesel fuel become so expensive motorized transport ceases; In 1 day store shelves empty as people hoard food; Anarchy and violence ensue. Could happen tomorrow. What is a man to do?
I don't think 1 or 2 % would be enough since Cancer does that and HIV I'm pretty sure. Though if 11% to 15% died due to disease I think that would make a huge difference. For unemployment I think it would need to be more than 20% which is what the Great Depression had.
@TimKilgore The 1 or 2 percent wouldn't be enough people removed from the population to cause the problem directly. It would be the fear that could potentially interrupt the economy if it occurred in a short-enough time frame, and received sufficient coverage. Remember, the number of human deaths from 9/11 was a fraction of the number of traffic deaths that year. But compare the news coverage, popular perception, and what we finally wound up doing because of 9/11, as opposed to traffic accidents
@TimKilgore (cont'd). Essentially the question is, How many deaths in how short a span of time would cause Joe Sixpack to say, "I'm better off if I just stay home from work today." Enough Joe Sixpacks, and the economy collapses.
@nathanaelstacy1 Hmmm, that's curious. I wouldn't think that little would make a difference, 10% I think would make it catastrophic. You could be right though, if that whole John Titor thing ever happens we'll find out :)
@TimKilgore It helps to think of it as a catastrophe of panic. If you worked in an office with 100 people, would 10 to 15 of them have to die of the flu next season before you'd consider staying home from work until the epidemic passed? If your child's school had 1000 students, would 100 to 150 have to die before you'd pull your child out? I don't think most people would wait that long. And if enough people don't go to work, the economy stands still. Stands still too long, and it collapses.
Not worms dum dum. Pre-cambrian life form if you watch #2 and 3 it explains that. Damn flying graboids.
Bert had it right. with his 2nd compound with the reinforced concrete parimiter fence that went 12 feet into the ground and met a reenforced slab that spanned the entire compound. That might seem extreem to those who have not encountered graboids, but It was reasonable to him because he knew that was a threat he might encounter. Preparedness is 90% Mental. Be able to adapt, to survive.
@BakedSuperNick I watched parts of 2 and 3, I think on SyFy, but each was consecutively more... ahem... pathetic. I liked #1, but as the sequels continued, they just became lame. When the things started flying and running around like rip-off Jurassic Park dinosaurs (quite inferior rip-offs, I thought) , I swore off even trying to watch anymore. But thanks for the clarification :-)
@nathanaelstacy1 True enough as most series it got old and played out. I think that whole appocalypse thing is gonna be pretty awesome to be a part of. Everyones scope of survival in such scenerios is usually skew and narrow. Sure a person can easily learn how to preserve food and grow a garden and even raise fish in a areophonic system. People can stock weapons and train how to use them. Booby traps and all of that is a supply which unless we can harvest ores and process them, run out.
@BakedSuperNick Lol well idk how awesome it would be if it were to happen. Mass deaths, starvation, and blood-baths aren't really my thing... About booby traps, there are lots of different kinds of those, not all of which require metals or explosives. They've been in use for thousands of years. Some are pretty grizzly.
Ok Ok for sure you can use wood and stones, but most people dont consider conservation, and im positive that almost all modern people dont know how to flint nap tools and edged weapons out of stone.
@BakedSuperNick That's true. But in reality, if society broke down and didn't reestablish itself pretty darn quickly, most modern people wouldn't be able to survive anyway. The USA, for instance, couldn't support 300 million people without modern agriculture and methods of transporting goods.
@nathanaelstacy1 But you only need to worry about trying to transport goods if your trying to expand your scope of survival to a more comefortable level.
Youd be suprised what 1 guy can do with 1/4 acre $50 worth of seed stored away and a shovel. Of course if electricity goes down no well water, Get those manual pumps while you still can!
I dont discount any scenerio. Anything is truely possible.
@BakedSuperNick I think you're romanticizing the idea a bit. Think of the 8 million people in New York City, and the millions in other cities throughout the western world. They can't just grab a shovel and a handful of seeds to plant a quarter acre of crop. They wouldn't have water to drink, food to eat, or facilities to process waste. Those people survive because resources are transported across the country and world to support them. Without that support, it would be an unimaginable disaster.
@nathanaelstacy1 Oh Im sorry, I thought we were talking about appocylaptic conditions here. New Yorkers just like any other big city dwellers are gonna have to figure out how to survive on their own. I know it sounds cold but that the way it is. I am picturing an event much bigger than any type of government aid to step in and help. most likely the big citys will either be blockaded or destroyed in the nuclear bombs, or out of control building fires.
@BakedSuperNick You're not following the conversation well. My original point was that a 'post apocalyptic' scenario wouldn't be fun and excitement. It would be a lot of deaths. Millions of people around the country wouldn't be able to grab a shovel and some seeds. The only way the landmass of the USA can support 300 million people is through modern technology. And it sounds cold because you see yourself as the protagonist in a Road Warrior scenario, rather than thinking realistically.
@nathanaelstacy1 Oh, I thought thats how conversations go, they evolve. Ok the millions of people, will probably die, no doubt, but im not responsible for their survival. Basically if there not interested in gaining the knowledge to survive, fuckem.
Im thinkin more like bert from tremmors, or patrick swazye from Red Dawn.
Since when did realism have anything to do with the end of modern day scociety.
@BakedSuperNick Since when did realism have anything to do with modern day society? I hate to have to break this to you, but catastrophes actually happen in real life. It's good to have a realistic (like, realism, you know) view of the possibilities. I used film as a reference point in the video, but the video isn't itself about film -- I guess you missed that.
@nathanaelstacy1 Depends on your definition/ preception of realism, oh wait your probably going to revert to I am getting off topic again.
Either way its all about your preception of how bad things are going to get. Wether you prepair or not is your decision, but dont expect people to give handouts freely. Check out The Road.
@BakedSuperNick Nick, you're way out there. Seriously. Who (except you) has mentioned handouts? Man, this conversation is ridiculous. But thanks for commenting. I'm sure you can find some other youtubers who have post-apocalyptic fantasies like yours, and if you find their pages, you can go on about how tough and successful you're gonna be after your fantasy nuclear war, etc. You're welcome to go find them. Good luck.
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best is the what I tell people...if they take the guns and gold I have, then I will feel Im screwed...but I tried...my wife thought I was nuts buying a much gold and silver back in 2003..."what are we going to use this for?" I heard that several times in the next couple of years....now she knows and she is helping prepare....great wife I have...she came to her senses.
I was wondering if that show was any good. I would say it's reasonable to make sure you're capable of being self sufficient. For instance I grew up in a rural area and when I moved to the city people's inability to take care of themselves on a basic level was quite shocking to me. In a situation like you describe, most of my neighbors would starve before they figured out how to grow their own food. I know the perfect guy to answer this question though, I'll send him the link.
@Quasiprophet It's interesting for learning how to scrounge and Jerry-rig tools and weapons, etc. Watched it last year, too. You can watch it on the discovery website, too, if you want to see previous episodes.
Personally I just muddle along and hope for the best. Don't think a disaster is near yet although volcanos, asteroid impacts... could change that in an instant.
@featherdude Yep, anything that put a large amount of particulate matter in the upper atmosphere -- including volcanoes and asteroids, and even extraordinarily heavy meteor showers -- can cause rapid cooling of the climate, and a mini ice age.
This is an interesting topic. I know the Government instructs people to have a few days of rations available for emergencies. People that live near the coast are familiar with this, especially. But assuming a total collapse occurred, that would change the world. The US is a big contributor to the world economy. If it goes down, it would be a global distaster. Nevertheless, it is likely to happen someday. However, I do not think it will ever become normal behavior until after such an event occurs
@anzwertree Yep, I have lots of experience with hurricanes and the need for emergency supplies. But even with something that routine, people still don't do it (which is incredibly irresponsible). So whenever a hurricane is coming, people rush to stores to get canned food, plywood, etc. If it were to appear at some point that a societal collapse were imminent, I can't even imagine what desperate things we unprepared people would do.
get a water purifier and stock up on food. not crazy, just real because oil is going to run out, the only question that remains is when.
TheAntiFascist2010 1 year ago
i think it is reasonable to start preparing now.the world is changing and i think it would be naive to expect any of our governments to help us.we would be in immediate effect on our own.i dont believe the world is gonna end in the next ten years but i do think something is goin to happen that will change our way of life as we know it.i want to live and survive, thats not mad.its just basic instinct.i am preparing now!
MsVictoriangirl 1 year ago
Reba McEntire the redd head country sing you were thinking of.
hoboKelly420 1 year ago
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nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
@hoboKelly420 Yep, that's the one. Thanks!
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
Scenario: Political upheaval leads to skyrocketing oil; Gas and diesel fuel become so expensive motorized transport ceases; In 1 day store shelves empty as people hoard food; Anarchy and violence ensue. Could happen tomorrow. What is a man to do?
johnguay 1 year ago
Gold has doubled in price in the last year alone ... it (collapse) is at hand...
radiospirit 1 year ago
@radiospirit Wow, that's impressive. You read tea leaves and palms too, or just gold prices? Who needs the zodiac when you have precious metals!
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
I don't think 1 or 2 % would be enough since Cancer does that and HIV I'm pretty sure. Though if 11% to 15% died due to disease I think that would make a huge difference. For unemployment I think it would need to be more than 20% which is what the Great Depression had.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore The 1 or 2 percent wouldn't be enough people removed from the population to cause the problem directly. It would be the fear that could potentially interrupt the economy if it occurred in a short-enough time frame, and received sufficient coverage. Remember, the number of human deaths from 9/11 was a fraction of the number of traffic deaths that year. But compare the news coverage, popular perception, and what we finally wound up doing because of 9/11, as opposed to traffic accidents
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
@TimKilgore (cont'd). Essentially the question is, How many deaths in how short a span of time would cause Joe Sixpack to say, "I'm better off if I just stay home from work today." Enough Joe Sixpacks, and the economy collapses.
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
@nathanaelstacy1 Hmmm, that's curious. I wouldn't think that little would make a difference, 10% I think would make it catastrophic. You could be right though, if that whole John Titor thing ever happens we'll find out :)
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore It helps to think of it as a catastrophe of panic. If you worked in an office with 100 people, would 10 to 15 of them have to die of the flu next season before you'd consider staying home from work until the epidemic passed? If your child's school had 1000 students, would 100 to 150 have to die before you'd pull your child out? I don't think most people would wait that long. And if enough people don't go to work, the economy stands still. Stands still too long, and it collapses.
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
Not worms dum dum. Pre-cambrian life form if you watch #2 and 3 it explains that. Damn flying graboids.
Bert had it right. with his 2nd compound with the reinforced concrete parimiter fence that went 12 feet into the ground and met a reenforced slab that spanned the entire compound. That might seem extreem to those who have not encountered graboids, but It was reasonable to him because he knew that was a threat he might encounter. Preparedness is 90% Mental. Be able to adapt, to survive.
BakedSuperNick 1 year ago
@BakedSuperNick I watched parts of 2 and 3, I think on SyFy, but each was consecutively more... ahem... pathetic. I liked #1, but as the sequels continued, they just became lame. When the things started flying and running around like rip-off Jurassic Park dinosaurs (quite inferior rip-offs, I thought) , I swore off even trying to watch anymore. But thanks for the clarification :-)
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
@nathanaelstacy1 True enough as most series it got old and played out. I think that whole appocalypse thing is gonna be pretty awesome to be a part of. Everyones scope of survival in such scenerios is usually skew and narrow. Sure a person can easily learn how to preserve food and grow a garden and even raise fish in a areophonic system. People can stock weapons and train how to use them. Booby traps and all of that is a supply which unless we can harvest ores and process them, run out.
BakedSuperNick 1 year ago
@BakedSuperNick Lol well idk how awesome it would be if it were to happen. Mass deaths, starvation, and blood-baths aren't really my thing... About booby traps, there are lots of different kinds of those, not all of which require metals or explosives. They've been in use for thousands of years. Some are pretty grizzly.
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
@nathanaelstacy1 Sounds like a party to me.
Ok Ok for sure you can use wood and stones, but most people dont consider conservation, and im positive that almost all modern people dont know how to flint nap tools and edged weapons out of stone.
BakedSuperNick 1 year ago
@BakedSuperNick That's true. But in reality, if society broke down and didn't reestablish itself pretty darn quickly, most modern people wouldn't be able to survive anyway. The USA, for instance, couldn't support 300 million people without modern agriculture and methods of transporting goods.
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
@nathanaelstacy1 But you only need to worry about trying to transport goods if your trying to expand your scope of survival to a more comefortable level.
Youd be suprised what 1 guy can do with 1/4 acre $50 worth of seed stored away and a shovel. Of course if electricity goes down no well water, Get those manual pumps while you still can!
I dont discount any scenerio. Anything is truely possible.
BakedSuperNick 1 year ago
@BakedSuperNick I think you're romanticizing the idea a bit. Think of the 8 million people in New York City, and the millions in other cities throughout the western world. They can't just grab a shovel and a handful of seeds to plant a quarter acre of crop. They wouldn't have water to drink, food to eat, or facilities to process waste. Those people survive because resources are transported across the country and world to support them. Without that support, it would be an unimaginable disaster.
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
@nathanaelstacy1 Oh Im sorry, I thought we were talking about appocylaptic conditions here. New Yorkers just like any other big city dwellers are gonna have to figure out how to survive on their own. I know it sounds cold but that the way it is. I am picturing an event much bigger than any type of government aid to step in and help. most likely the big citys will either be blockaded or destroyed in the nuclear bombs, or out of control building fires.
BakedSuperNick 1 year ago
@BakedSuperNick You're not following the conversation well. My original point was that a 'post apocalyptic' scenario wouldn't be fun and excitement. It would be a lot of deaths. Millions of people around the country wouldn't be able to grab a shovel and some seeds. The only way the landmass of the USA can support 300 million people is through modern technology. And it sounds cold because you see yourself as the protagonist in a Road Warrior scenario, rather than thinking realistically.
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
@nathanaelstacy1 Oh, I thought thats how conversations go, they evolve. Ok the millions of people, will probably die, no doubt, but im not responsible for their survival. Basically if there not interested in gaining the knowledge to survive, fuckem.
Im thinkin more like bert from tremmors, or patrick swazye from Red Dawn.
Since when did realism have anything to do with the end of modern day scociety.
BakedSuperNick 1 year ago
@BakedSuperNick Since when did realism have anything to do with modern day society? I hate to have to break this to you, but catastrophes actually happen in real life. It's good to have a realistic (like, realism, you know) view of the possibilities. I used film as a reference point in the video, but the video isn't itself about film -- I guess you missed that.
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
@nathanaelstacy1 Depends on your definition/ preception of realism, oh wait your probably going to revert to I am getting off topic again.
Either way its all about your preception of how bad things are going to get. Wether you prepair or not is your decision, but dont expect people to give handouts freely. Check out The Road.
BakedSuperNick 1 year ago
@BakedSuperNick Nick, you're way out there. Seriously. Who (except you) has mentioned handouts? Man, this conversation is ridiculous. But thanks for commenting. I'm sure you can find some other youtubers who have post-apocalyptic fantasies like yours, and if you find their pages, you can go on about how tough and successful you're gonna be after your fantasy nuclear war, etc. You're welcome to go find them. Good luck.
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best is the what I tell people...if they take the guns and gold I have, then I will feel Im screwed...but I tried...my wife thought I was nuts buying a much gold and silver back in 2003..."what are we going to use this for?" I heard that several times in the next couple of years....now she knows and she is helping prepare....great wife I have...she came to her senses.
billyjoebobway 1 year ago
I was wondering if that show was any good. I would say it's reasonable to make sure you're capable of being self sufficient. For instance I grew up in a rural area and when I moved to the city people's inability to take care of themselves on a basic level was quite shocking to me. In a situation like you describe, most of my neighbors would starve before they figured out how to grow their own food. I know the perfect guy to answer this question though, I'll send him the link.
Quasiprophet 1 year ago
@Quasiprophet It's interesting for learning how to scrounge and Jerry-rig tools and weapons, etc. Watched it last year, too. You can watch it on the discovery website, too, if you want to see previous episodes.
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
Personally I just muddle along and hope for the best. Don't think a disaster is near yet although volcanos, asteroid impacts... could change that in an instant.
featherdude 1 year ago
@featherdude Yep, anything that put a large amount of particulate matter in the upper atmosphere -- including volcanoes and asteroids, and even extraordinarily heavy meteor showers -- can cause rapid cooling of the climate, and a mini ice age.
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago
This is an interesting topic. I know the Government instructs people to have a few days of rations available for emergencies. People that live near the coast are familiar with this, especially. But assuming a total collapse occurred, that would change the world. The US is a big contributor to the world economy. If it goes down, it would be a global distaster. Nevertheless, it is likely to happen someday. However, I do not think it will ever become normal behavior until after such an event occurs
anzwertree 1 year ago
@anzwertree Yep, I have lots of experience with hurricanes and the need for emergency supplies. But even with something that routine, people still don't do it (which is incredibly irresponsible). So whenever a hurricane is coming, people rush to stores to get canned food, plywood, etc. If it were to appear at some point that a societal collapse were imminent, I can't even imagine what desperate things we unprepared people would do.
nathanaelstacy1 1 year ago