they are attainable after all which you seem to make it to be a bad thing, but since you are british you probably like it like that, because you guys still have people living in palaces with a crown on their heads, maybe you like to look up to masters and the general thought that there are things in life simply "too precious" and costly to be ever owned by just a "regular non monarchic" citizen :D ferrari`s and lambos these days are for arab sheiks, and image obsessed russian oligarchs.
the ZR-1 has very expensive parts, for example the paint on it´s carbon roof cost $60.000 per liter, and it has the EXACT SAME breaks as the ferrari Enzo, so how does your theory stack up against those facts actually i wonder? Corvette´s are owned by your average blue collar guys as well as your multi millionaire car enthusiast like jay leno who also owns a McLaren F! and knows a thing more or two about cars than me and you combined, Corvette`s are enjoyed throughout the entire social range.
@CHUUMPASS average blue collar guy ? are you mad ? do you have any idea how expensive those dot competion tyres are, and how quick they wear ? how expensive its to replace those massive enzo brakes ? yh, its not cheap by any means... only rich enthusiasts and tuners buy it.. jay leno loves his cars and is an enthusiast but he has his own preference, if i had his garage i'd sell most of the cars he likes (the tank car is horrific) and you know you would too..
@CHUUMPASS anyone can read the list price.. its one number.. if your sitting in your bedroom at your mums house with no job.. thats what you see .. but in reality, theres more shit to worry about and an average blue collar CANNOT maintain a vette.. its simple, its reality and it FACT since you love facts
@blahblop123 well, you must be filthy rich yourself when you say you seem more 458s than Corvettes, me i'm german and i live in an average sized town, of course i don't see Corvette , Viper much less Ferraris by the dozens here, but i know of guys who do have regular jobs and drive their Corvette`s i wasn't exclusively referring to the ZR-1 as that is the most expensive granted, especially in europa where extra fees and taxation increases the price not to mention cost of maintenance.
@CHUUMPASS but the zr1 is the model making all the noise with the quick nurburgring time.. the rest of the range is undesirable.. the z06 is probably as expensive to maintain if you get the z07 package (which you would).. the only way for a blue collar can own and run a vette is in when you buy the car with stock bits, no big brakes, no competition tyres, no z07 package, that way maintainance is low, but then you dont get the nurburgring numbers. its not an ideal car for a blue collar
@blahblop123 you can't deny that a Corvette is quite THE attainable supercar,that can hang with the world`s best that cost many times more.of course something has to give and you don't have a Bentley interior coming with it,but that is just not what matters to most who opt to own one to begin with!so there is no basis for arguments here in that regard at all.you just seem to deny that Vettes and Vipers can hang with the finest performancewise when in fact they have proven it time and time again!
@CHUUMPASS i never said the zr1 can't hang with the finest PERFORMANCE wise... the vette can't hang with the finest, full stop... you take a vette, park it beside a fine car.. a mclaren SLR for example... the SLR will draw the bigger crowd.. no matter which country it is in.. the zr1 is too cheaply made (lacks quality) to hang with the finest, and too expensive to run for the average blue collar..,
@blahblop123 well i do know however guys that are far from rich who down own and run Corvette`s one has a 2010 Grand Sport and the other has a Z06, and both are far from big earners or rich, costly it is yes, but considering what they get and how reliable these cars are (both are also used for daily driving) it is more than reasonable. interior wise, granted like i said, you are not getting a bentley-grade interior but that's not what you are buying one for in the first place.
@CHUUMPASS a vette is a premium sports car for the chevrolet brand, if you buy a premium product, you expect premium quality all round.. no excuses. the centenial model was a huge improvement, but its still not winning any new hearts apart from the loyal vette enthusiasts..the c7 has the potential, whether it fulfills it, only GM can decide
@blahblop123 yeah, Corvette has become more of a brand of its own these days and has existed as quite a sub-brand within Chevy for years. anyways, what you said was true, but i think you have a general dislike towards Corvette hence you are rather tough and very critical about it which of course is fine as that is a highly subjective matter and personal preference after all.
@CHUUMPASS anyone would get critical when you start comparing a vette with some of the worlds finest... the one that ticked me off was when someone compared the zr1 to the mclaren F1.. exact same arguement, same/more performance for less.. then pulled out the nurburgring card... its madness, ..@namybot is spot on, its hard to like american cars when you have cunts (americans 99.9% of the time) that compare them to the mclaren f1, or a pagani zonda or whatever..
@blahblop123 well it appears that you have a dislike towards americans too as it seems, been there many times and know many americans myself, and from my experience they are among the nicest most helpful people you can imgine!, don't judge people based on what you read on YT, granted some are ignorant but that goes in general, me for example i dislike great britain and have made lots of rather unpleasent experience with english people, still i'd never say that all of them like "99,9%" sucked
@CHUUMPASS i didn't say i dislike americans, the ones that usually compare the vette to the big guns are usually, 99.9% of the time, american.. i dislike them ones.. i dont dislike american judging by what a minority act like, that would be ignorant..
@blahblop123 the thing is, Corvette`s as of late do indeed hold up against the cars you named in terms of performance!, Pagani , MclarenF1 are the top of the world even but still (okay the F1 is from the mid 90s) even on 5th gear (british) the guy testing the 2007 Z06 acknowledges that, and as always , the only thing he complained about was the interior quality, which has become a little bit of a "last resort" for those who wan't to dislike it and can't be all positive about it either way.
@CHUUMPASS yes, they can hold up, in terms of performance, but to say that makes them BETTER than the big guns ??.. in that case the radical is the best car in the world.. its cheaper than c6, and is fastest thing around the track.. that is clearly not the case..
@CHUUMPASS you dont judge cars by how fast they are.. you judge by how it makes you feel.. you have muscle cars, they're not that quick, they're big and they're heavy.. a gran torino, for a example.. it can't even do 8 minutes on the nurburgring, does it make a crap car ? NO .. jag e-type, 8 minute car, crap ? NO.. the ferrari f40.. the amount of people that would give an arm and a leg for one.. noo but its slower around the ring.. a vette will never be desired like these cars, EVER
@blahblop123 of course i never judge cars by how fast the are, i was just pointing out that Corvettes nowadays are very well what most still say american cars could never be at all, which is being fast around tracks, and in this case even as fast or faster than the finest most well established european sports cars, that's all, of course those cars you named are desireable, becuase the are icons and collectibles, whether the ZR1 will be one we can't say just yet, older Corvettes already are.
@CHUUMPASS american cars have been fast for quite some time.. and so has the corvette.. the c5 z06 was doing exactly what the modern z06/zr1 is doing today.., back when it came out, the c5 z06 was one of the few cars to have lapped the nurburgring under 8 minutes .. but barely anyone knows that because its been forgotten already.. motor journalists say american cars handle crap, that has been a stereotype that won't be leaving in a hurry even with the corvette about
@blahblop123 you are right in what you say,classic muscles cars are only brutal in straight lines and torque monsters, and a jaguar e type is an icon without having ever been mind numbingly fast (even for its era) yet they are all legends in their own rights and have stood the test of time for different reasons, not just because they were fast in their days. but again, that was never my only point at all.
@CHUUMPASS the e-type was like the corvette when it came out, it was faster than most ferrari's at the time, while being MUCH cheaper..that isn't why its an icon today..unlike the vette, it didn't make any comprimises to keep it cheap AND it looked like it did back when cars looked like boxes. the f40 was the first car to hit 200mph, but thats not why its the most desirable car, like you said. there's nothing the vette will be remembered for., like the c5, it will be quickly forgotten
@blahblop123 ya well, a C5 Corvette of course cannot be compared to an F40, because even among the ranks of the most well established nameplates like Ferrari in general the F40 it was a supercar,which the C5 never was,it was mass ware and never intended to be anywhere those spheres, the early Corvette especially the Stingray C2 however is right up there with an E-Type in terms of design and legendary status.like i said, Corvette is a bit of a strange thing because it fits into quite many roles
@CHUUMPASS the c5 z06 had every intention to be remembered since it was supposed to be a ressemblance of the c2 z06 race car (which was never intended to be a classic) .. the same way the f50 was built to succeed the f40.. but the c5 z06 and the f50 never cut the mustard, they were released, then quickly forgotten..
@blahblop123 it can perform with the best at a fraction of the price of most others,(performance) it has a legendary status no matter what someone says, and it has all kinds of enthusiasts lashing out enormous sums for classic Corvettes like the mentioned Stingray (which is arguably one of the most iconic looking cars of all time) as quite a number of Vettes are indeed collectibles, and it has set numerous standards in terms of performance and racing.
@CHUUMPASS the viper on the other hand, its made a legend of its own, being powerful, raw, brutal and ready to kill you LOL.. and with that you get the menacing look.. great car.. even though it has loads of flaws and is silly.. you still want one... if anyone builds anything thats brutal and crazy like the viper, people will say "its like a viper".. same way people compare the m600 to the f40 .. you can't do that with a vette. the supercar killer tag goes to the GTR
@blahblop123 all of that while still being relatively attainable even for non-rich folks and with undisputed reliability overall, plasticky interiors aside. Corvette are among the most durable and modifiable cars out there. a C4 Corvette in 1988 went 410 km/h for a record run and then it was driven right back home on public streets after it, at a time when such speeds in stock platform cars were unheard of! (Callaway Sledgehammer)
@CHUUMPASS if i recall correctly, it was also the worst handling car on the planet with the 900 hp, which brings us back to the "american cars can't handle" stereotype.. they can be modified, but at what price.. there are no many rear wheel drive cars that can put all 900 hp down on a race track where you have 30-50-70 mph corners. i'm no expert but corner exits with 900 unpredictable turbo hp ready to burst = disaster
@blahblop123 i agree on the Viper, it is in a league of its own and those who complain about its "unrefinedness" don't quite get the Viper formula at all. at the time of its first introduction it was the closest thing to a racecar for the street that money could buy. GTR of course has its own place and i do agree to some extend with you here too, however it is AWD and i don't quite like AWD applications as it is "the safest&easiest way" to make a car go fast and be stable so to speak. imo.
@CHUUMPASS i agree with AWD comment, personally, i'm not a fan of AWD, i prefer rear wheel drive.. and it is very customer friendly, meaning anyone can jump in and go fast.. but then again, that comes with the whole GTR appeal, of being not so great (statistically) , but great (in reality).. not a fan of the gtr but i appreciate everything they have achieved, with the weight, tyres, power.. even with 4wd, its not easy to haul that much weight and corner so fast with thin, road tyres
@blahblop123 plus, if you criticize the Corvette for its interior and built quality primarily there is just no way you could possibly spare the GTR here on that front, i've sat in one and it's completely nintendo plastic cheap feel inside-out. especially the interior! one that can cope with the GTR in that department just must never complain about it in a Corvette.
@CHUUMPASS every car has plastic here and there, and the GTR is no exception.. but when interior peices start falling off and don't fit properly, and buttons get stuck.. its not what its made of, its about the quality of it and how its put together.. if it falls off and seats shoot forward everytime you brake, you have every right to complain after getting out of a GTR..
@blahblop123 since the 2008 C6 upgrade (LS3 engine) the interior was considerably upgraded,and you could opt for a fully leather wrapped and padded interior (sat in it and touched the materials) and the 2012 Centennial Package interior is another huge improvement, vastly upgraded, and the upcoming C7 i'm pretty sure will have that adressed majorly too as it has been a priority for GM to improve interior materials als quality as since the 90s they admittedly have lacked in that department
design-wise it looks a lot like a koenigsegg from 2000 model year range, funny is also that when it comes to american makes the brits always whine and complain about how cars like vipers and corvettes weren't up to standards and not sophisticated enough, yet when a british company keeps it to the basics and rather pure,either no word on that or praise for "keeping it no - nonsense" ... pathetic! that goes to show how biased many of those so called"experts and enthusiast journalists"actually are
@CHUUMPASS You have missed the point. The only similarity between this Brit Bruiser and a Yank Tank is the operation of the vehicle. Three pedals, steering wheel, four wheels. The end. Where Vettes and Vipers are fast, the Noble is three times the price, because it's three times the engineering. Carbon fibre tub and body, bespoke V8 by Yamaha and beautifly made interior (note Alcantara headlining and steering wheel). Steve Sutcliffe is an ex racing driver and knows his stuff. You're a YT nob
@peanuts2105 you don't need to jump to the defense, still what i said is pretty much valid. "thrice the price equals thrice the engineering" yeah right... "alcantara headliner and steering wheel wrappings" what a logic. it is still OVER-engineering when you can do pretty much the same as far as performance is concerned with a lot less, and those who want plain and simple performance usually don't care for some alcantara rags here and there. not to mention the horrible reliabilty.overcomplicated
@CHUUMPASS performance for less is something only a simple minded human being would think. i pay 120k from a zr1 right now, in 5 years its 60k (with the new c7 out).. i pay £200000 for a m600 today, it will be the same in 5 years because it is like the pagani zonda, rare, beautifully engineered, built with love (not glue and plastic).. and to be entirely honest, 99% of all american zr1 will never see the nurburgring (in which it done well), so much for 'performance'
@blahblop123 so you are viewing this from an investment standpoint, wanting the car to be a collectible, and as for you "only a simple minded person" argument, you do realize what kind of stupidity ignorance and arrogance that actually is do you!? you call it simple, while some may just call it smart, when you can pay less and get the same or better in terms of sheer performance.(which is what i was addressing here) you seem to want rarity and a stable investment, i say get the mona lisa!
@CHUUMPASS if i wanted a collectable i'd buy an E-type. this packs 650hp, weighs around 2600 lbs, does 225, this is 10 times more of a car than a zr1... i'm paying 200k of my own money, ofcourse i'll see at as an investmant.. want performance for not much money, get a radical. paying less for LESS peformance (the zr1 isn't in the same league as the m600), knowing your gunna lose 60k by 5 years, so much for 'paying less', your making a 60k LOSS, a smart person would look long term too
@blahblop123 "10 times more of a car" really !? hardly ! but i see where you are coming from, you just dislike the Corvette as a brand in general, so that's okay with me, it's called blindfold bias, so i don't expect you to be objective on the matter at all anymore. it's ok!
@CHUUMPASS corvette viper GTR whatever fan boy that comes on here because their favourite car got 7:20 around nurgburgring, and then come on video's on hyper cars like these and say the same thing "the zr1/viper/GTR is faster then this and half the price" blah blah fucking blah performance for the buck.. etc etc .. you can wank over 'performance for the buck' or nurburgring nuumbers as much as you like, just dont compare it to cars that not even in the same league...
@blahblop123 thank you, you just proved me right with my suspicion, but hey, no hard feelings man! it's ok, it seems that you are the "fanboy" here who refuses to accept plain facts. but again, that is okay with me as i have certainly never intended to come here and tell you what to like. btw. it's actually 7:19 for the ZR1 (fully stock) and 7:12 for the Viper ACR (stock) around the ring. ;) but oh well, nevermind.
@CHUUMPASS you just proved 2/3 of my point ...and get your facts right .. its zr1 (DOT competition tyres, roll cage) .. viper acr (DOT competition tyres, SRT tune) ... okay you win.. i'm dazzled by these number that mean fuck all to me ...woooo... once you've saved up enough of your life savings, i dare you to buy either one hahah i thought you'd bring the GTR too but it looks like your one of those redneck 'patriotic' twats thats actually european.. i dont argue with rednecks
@blahblop123 first of all i'm not a redneck or an American at all, i'm german, so that must have slipped have your attention and shows how ignorant and biased you are jumping to such silly conclusions! and since when is a rollcage a performance upgrade ? that is a safety measure at best ! and both cars WERE FACTORY STOCK TRIM ! whether you like it or not. it get's allthemore obvious where you are coming from here though. pretty sad. keep winding and turning away from things you don't like.
@CHUUMPASS roll cage is not a performance upgrade ? are you dumb ? it increases chassis rigidity aswell as safety, which in turn makes it more stable.. the roll cage does NOT come from the factory... and the SRT tune.., the SRT guys did not tune the vipers suspension at the factory like they did for the car when they did that lap.. again, NOT factory trim.. you can think it as much as you like, in hope that it magically is the car that did 7 whatever
@blahblop123 and you of all people have the valid info !? a roll cage adds chassis regidity but is primarily a safety measure that was done to protect the test driver (Jim Mero) because he was pushing the car to an extreme, you refuse to believe it but BOTH cars were fully stock and raced their respective times in a trim that was perfectly street legal and can be had right off the showroom floor! no magic tricks at all! but you may keep denying the truth for all i care.
@CHUUMPASS no magic tricks are required.. only a suspension set up fit for the nurburgring/roll cage .and DOT competition tyres..you have no clue since you said BOTH were fully legal.. (zr1 had a NON STOCK roll cage = chassis rigidity, fact) that makes the zr1 time useless, and the viper, "tuned for outstanding track performance" fact by chrysler .. you keep wanking over the numbers, chances of you getting either with 7:12 / 7:20 performance from the factory is ZERO. keep dreaming son
@blahblop123 still BOTH cars can be had as they were driven from the factory and ARE INDEED street legal trims !!! i'm talking in compliance with DMV regulations (America) why do you keep kicking like a little child, it's long been acknowledged even by the biggest deniers that the ZR1 and the Viper (which was basically a 20 year old design) decimated most modern so called "super cars" on the ring with what they did, and they can actually be attained and driven the way the lapped their records !!
@CHUUMPASS anyone can't build a car to blitz the track.. the radical done it with 360 hp.. a proper production car has to be built so its fast on the track without comprimising street drivablity. i'm talking about ride quality, sound deadening, stability at low speed, brake performance when cold, fuel economy.. with the viper, no comprises were made, you can drive it on the road, your just gunna wonder WHY ? the vette is almost as bad, some comprimises were made and it shows..
@CHUUMPASS modern supercars are not built to get 7 minutes blah around the ring.. no one gives a fuck, it tells you fuck all about the car apart from it goes fast around one track. its good for sales, but its not good the people that buy it. cuz you'll end up drag racing it at the lights and going 35mph everywhere. at what price? deafness and a broken spine..you can get all out track cars; the ultima gtr720 did it in 6 mins range, and its road legal and more livable that most cars
@blahblop123 of course neither me nor you could get these numbers around the ring, as we aren't quite the drivers to do it, but still a ZR1 with the tires (standard for 2012 model year & centennial package) and a Viper ACR with the correct personbehind the wheel could !!! right off the factory floor! just face it man! it doesn't even collide with your preference for over-engineered overpriced fancy collectors items like the noble. ;)
@CHUUMPASS i still can't believe you really think that the ACR knocked off 10s off its initial nurburgring time with no adjustments from stock.. and the zr1, CANNOT do a 7:20 even with the centnnial carbon whatever.. a roll cage makes such a big difference, stock cars converted to race cars have them stiffen the chassis to race levels.. i'm not saying they're not street legal, i'm saying they're not FACTORY stock, little adjustments can make a BIG difference..
@CHUUMPASS over engineered ? it doesn't have ABS, it doesn't have carbocoque chassis or whatever its called, it doesn't have magnetic dampers, it doesn't even have ceramic brakes.. just mid-engine v8, twin turbo,6 speed rear wheel drive, 1200kg weight.. simple, with sufficient quality bits and bobs. in comparison to a plastic, cheap glued, seat shooting forward vette ? no one would prefer a vette over anything let alone an m600, no one ever has. they're all buying porsche and ferraris
@blahblop123 no one ? really? what cave have you been in ? you should check sales numbers and read a little bit more , and not just "know" the things that you prefer to know as your private "facts" for example the very first 2012 Z06 Convertible was acutioned off for $700K !!! overall you can find Corvette enthusiasts that actually know and drive their cars (because unlike most euro stuff corvette`s can actually handel abuse without needing a complete overhaul afterwards)
@CHUUMPASS i dont know where your living but i have NEVER seen a corvette on the roads, motor shows yes, on the road, as in people like you and me having paid their own hard earned cash for.. never... i'd been to london, geneva, frankfurt, paris, NYC and not once.. well, somethings wrong..i've seen more 458's than ANY vette from ANY year..thats saying something..
@blahblop123 and you are basically now saying yourself that the noble is quite crudely made, so why bother spending that much money if you can have all of that for a lot less IF performance only is your main goal, you couldn't care less about interior knobs, leather stitching and velvet headliners and whatnot! cheaply glued parts? you are clearly doing bandwagon talk here! and i bet you have never even sat let alone driven a contemporary Corvette or Viper. get off jeremy clarkson`s religion!
@CHUUMPASS i didn't say it was crudely made, i said it was basic. and again, with the performance for less BS.. if you want performance for less, get a radical, its the fastest thing on the road being sold today, and its pure performance, why does it matter that it has no roof ?, or no power steering ? back that up ? jeremy clarkson knows nothing, but i have been in a vette and NO ONE backs its interior, even the vette fanboys keep the interior on the low because they know its SHIT
That is a car for TRUE enthusiast. Take away abs, paddle shifters and all the electronic safety features of most modern sports cars, and most of the idiot drivers out here would wrap themselves around a tree within 30 days of ownership. Especially in the states. They give driver's licenses to any boob that can parallel park in this country.
can't go right with the brakes. Who says normal brakes are bad, they're as good as carbon ceramic. The only problem comes when you use them hard and use them a lot. Like in a race or may be going downhill etc, that is where carbon ceramic brakes really stand out.
every time there is an ad a box drops down over the picture and doesn't leave for the entire video. I refresh but that doesn't always work. what is wrong with youtoob?
Perhaps if Lotus gets all v6ish and paddlshifty as many predict, noble will make a smaller car that can be a follow for the current elise, which also is a "driver's car". The current Lotus direction however looks like they are going over to "mainstream" high end cars.
Love my Elise and this sounds like a supersize on the elise/exige (roughly twice the power (compared to aftermarket F/I modded elises/exiges ) and only +50% of the wieght. Definately a dream car for people who value road feel.
always hate that this guy only likes hypercars like lambo and ferrari, or a thing wich is made in britain, he doesnt like anything further, even though they are extremely beautifull like a spyker aileron
@Porsche010 im a huge lambo fan and ferrari, but this this M600 looks way better then any lambo out there, way faster too... this Noble is a fucking animal.
This is defeating the noble philosophy,a super car at the fraction of the price not the same price.noble needs to stay humble and price their cars back under 100k.I love the other nobles.
At this price this isnt going to be the1st supercar someone would buy. Rather a Fezza or lambo but if you already have one of the established supercars and you just sold your diamond mine then this is the car for you
Sorry but this is the crappiest car over £100k I have ever seen.
The only thing I hate on this car is everything. Even the rubbish 'Noble Automotive' logo. The car has no safety equipment, no style, no substance or no luxury and no thought gone into it. In reminds me of a modern XJ220 and as such is in the wrong era. Drivers car or not, I'll take a 599 thanks.
@ecouriercouk Different vein of car and strictly for car enthusiasts who love mechanical integrity. The guy who owns the factory was obsessed with creating a modern F40 that could be used everyday rather than a competitor to the 599, lp640 etc. This meant it had to be technically "old school" and simple as possible which is appealing to some but not to everyone. Discarding it because its old-fashioned and simple is like saying a patek is crap because a casio is cheaper and has more features
@desmonds22 Actually I would like to thank u for your helpful and very balanced reply to my criticisms of this car. Very well constructed response so I've given u a thumbs up. I was nearly right with my 'Modern XJ220' theory, instead u state the F40. It's just disappointing when u know a company could have done better but chooses to stubbornly stick to it's principles to appease 'enthusiasts'. I would say Lotus has the perfect (across the) range balance to suit enthusiastic & commercial buyers.
@ecouriercouk Well the thing about Lotus, Noble, Ariel, Caterham, Ultima etc is that they are strictly "enthusiast" cars. Porsche&Ferrari need to make cars that appeals to as many people as possible so the result is a compromise of hard-core performance and modern convenience/luxury. These smaller manufacturers exist because there's a market for cars without these "conveniences" that get in the way of the driving experience. the result? An Ariel, Noble, Lotus would kill a 458 around a track
@vithaj92 'better is in the eye of the beholder" Incorrect. For sports car engineers better is based on set performance parameters; these are typically: Faster, Lighter, Stronger, More fuel / Aero efficient, More powerful, & better handling then the model before. I was going to add, 'Better looking' too, but then I look at this years (2012) current crop of F1 (nose) designs and relise that true sports car engineers are not concerned about looks, just performance vis a vis Nissan GTR.
@ecouriercouk The word "better" and the meaning of it does not "belong" to just engineers... I don't know what got you to make that assumption, but you are incorrect :)
@vithaj92 WoW. You clearly struggle with reading. Please tell me who said "The word Better, belongs to".... Actually, please dont. With all due respect I would prefer to engage with users who can actually reference my comments more acurately then you, and users whom will not misquote or bastardize my comments. Feel free to come back to me when you feel more qualified to do this. Regards.
@ecouriercouk I could say the exact same thing to you. Seriously, why did you assume I was talking about engineers when I first brought up the subject? "Better is in the eye of the beholder" sure is correct if you are a driving enthusiast
There are loads available but at this price.. not alot. Its pricetag is its achilles heal really. The purist, dedicated driver isnt necessarily the same one that has 200 000 quid to blow on a car.
Its amazing how americans still go on and on about their holy Corvette ZEE AAR ONE and how its BEST IN THE WOOORLD. This thing isnt a carbonfibre hypercar. Its got the same 600-something hp as the Corvette only they use a Volvo engine. Like the corvette they havent put in much in the way of fancy technology yet this thing went straight to nr 3 on TopGears leaderboard and pushed the ZR1 down to 19.
@Janusha This has more hp, but it still proves that you don't need a massive engine. 4.4 liters and it's still more powerful than a ZR1, my kind of super car!
Renault build a 1.3 litre engine producing 1300hp. Caterham sells a perfectly fine 2.4 litre car with 550 hp. There are loads of these examples.
Its very rare to see an american engine with 100hp pr liter. And they place it between the front wheels. A 8.4 Viper engine weighs 323 kilos or 720lbs which is like 1960s engines. That weight pushes the car straight ahead regardless of hp, torque and grip. The american way is the result of old tech and lazyness. Not research and development.
good job brits. i was suprised they went with a performance orientde sports car and not a more ellegant galloping drive, like the ferrari or maserati. the look isnt that original but still is unique in most terms.
The problem is that this car is really fast and truly a driver's car, but people in general (not car enthusiast) might appreciate it for a while and then totally forget about the name Noble. It's so sad but true that these days many supercars have lost the essence and become some sort of a soulless machine built for showing off.
There are some but I'm more devoted to Italian cars as well as some british cars. I can think of a few crout cars: porsche carrera GT, 911 GT3 RS, mercedes W220 S65.
they are attainable after all which you seem to make it to be a bad thing, but since you are british you probably like it like that, because you guys still have people living in palaces with a crown on their heads, maybe you like to look up to masters and the general thought that there are things in life simply "too precious" and costly to be ever owned by just a "regular non monarchic" citizen :D ferrari`s and lambos these days are for arab sheiks, and image obsessed russian oligarchs.
CHUUMPASS 2 weeks ago
the ZR-1 has very expensive parts, for example the paint on it´s carbon roof cost $60.000 per liter, and it has the EXACT SAME breaks as the ferrari Enzo, so how does your theory stack up against those facts actually i wonder? Corvette´s are owned by your average blue collar guys as well as your multi millionaire car enthusiast like jay leno who also owns a McLaren F! and knows a thing more or two about cars than me and you combined, Corvette`s are enjoyed throughout the entire social range.
CHUUMPASS 2 weeks ago
@CHUUMPASS average blue collar guy ? are you mad ? do you have any idea how expensive those dot competion tyres are, and how quick they wear ? how expensive its to replace those massive enzo brakes ? yh, its not cheap by any means... only rich enthusiasts and tuners buy it.. jay leno loves his cars and is an enthusiast but he has his own preference, if i had his garage i'd sell most of the cars he likes (the tank car is horrific) and you know you would too..
blahblop123 2 weeks ago
@CHUUMPASS anyone can read the list price.. its one number.. if your sitting in your bedroom at your mums house with no job.. thats what you see .. but in reality, theres more shit to worry about and an average blue collar CANNOT maintain a vette.. its simple, its reality and it FACT since you love facts
blahblop123 2 weeks ago
@blahblop123 well, you must be filthy rich yourself when you say you seem more 458s than Corvettes, me i'm german and i live in an average sized town, of course i don't see Corvette , Viper much less Ferraris by the dozens here, but i know of guys who do have regular jobs and drive their Corvette`s i wasn't exclusively referring to the ZR-1 as that is the most expensive granted, especially in europa where extra fees and taxation increases the price not to mention cost of maintenance.
CHUUMPASS 2 weeks ago
@CHUUMPASS but the zr1 is the model making all the noise with the quick nurburgring time.. the rest of the range is undesirable.. the z06 is probably as expensive to maintain if you get the z07 package (which you would).. the only way for a blue collar can own and run a vette is in when you buy the car with stock bits, no big brakes, no competition tyres, no z07 package, that way maintainance is low, but then you dont get the nurburgring numbers. its not an ideal car for a blue collar
blahblop123 2 weeks ago
@blahblop123 you can't deny that a Corvette is quite THE attainable supercar,that can hang with the world`s best that cost many times more.of course something has to give and you don't have a Bentley interior coming with it,but that is just not what matters to most who opt to own one to begin with!so there is no basis for arguments here in that regard at all.you just seem to deny that Vettes and Vipers can hang with the finest performancewise when in fact they have proven it time and time again!
CHUUMPASS 2 weeks ago
@CHUUMPASS i never said the zr1 can't hang with the finest PERFORMANCE wise... the vette can't hang with the finest, full stop... you take a vette, park it beside a fine car.. a mclaren SLR for example... the SLR will draw the bigger crowd.. no matter which country it is in.. the zr1 is too cheaply made (lacks quality) to hang with the finest, and too expensive to run for the average blue collar..,
blahblop123 2 weeks ago
@blahblop123 well i do know however guys that are far from rich who down own and run Corvette`s one has a 2010 Grand Sport and the other has a Z06, and both are far from big earners or rich, costly it is yes, but considering what they get and how reliable these cars are (both are also used for daily driving) it is more than reasonable. interior wise, granted like i said, you are not getting a bentley-grade interior but that's not what you are buying one for in the first place.
CHUUMPASS 2 weeks ago
@CHUUMPASS a vette is a premium sports car for the chevrolet brand, if you buy a premium product, you expect premium quality all round.. no excuses. the centenial model was a huge improvement, but its still not winning any new hearts apart from the loyal vette enthusiasts..the c7 has the potential, whether it fulfills it, only GM can decide
blahblop123 2 weeks ago
@blahblop123 yeah, Corvette has become more of a brand of its own these days and has existed as quite a sub-brand within Chevy for years. anyways, what you said was true, but i think you have a general dislike towards Corvette hence you are rather tough and very critical about it which of course is fine as that is a highly subjective matter and personal preference after all.
CHUUMPASS 2 weeks ago
@CHUUMPASS anyone would get critical when you start comparing a vette with some of the worlds finest... the one that ticked me off was when someone compared the zr1 to the mclaren F1.. exact same arguement, same/more performance for less.. then pulled out the nurburgring card... its madness, ..@namybot is spot on, its hard to like american cars when you have cunts (americans 99.9% of the time) that compare them to the mclaren f1, or a pagani zonda or whatever..
blahblop123 2 weeks ago
@blahblop123 well it appears that you have a dislike towards americans too as it seems, been there many times and know many americans myself, and from my experience they are among the nicest most helpful people you can imgine!, don't judge people based on what you read on YT, granted some are ignorant but that goes in general, me for example i dislike great britain and have made lots of rather unpleasent experience with english people, still i'd never say that all of them like "99,9%" sucked
CHUUMPASS 2 weeks ago
@CHUUMPASS i didn't say i dislike americans, the ones that usually compare the vette to the big guns are usually, 99.9% of the time, american.. i dislike them ones.. i dont dislike american judging by what a minority act like, that would be ignorant..
blahblop123 2 weeks ago
@blahblop123 the thing is, Corvette`s as of late do indeed hold up against the cars you named in terms of performance!, Pagani , MclarenF1 are the top of the world even but still (okay the F1 is from the mid 90s) even on 5th gear (british) the guy testing the 2007 Z06 acknowledges that, and as always , the only thing he complained about was the interior quality, which has become a little bit of a "last resort" for those who wan't to dislike it and can't be all positive about it either way.
CHUUMPASS 2 weeks ago
@CHUUMPASS yes, they can hold up, in terms of performance, but to say that makes them BETTER than the big guns ??.. in that case the radical is the best car in the world.. its cheaper than c6, and is fastest thing around the track.. that is clearly not the case..
blahblop123 2 weeks ago
@CHUUMPASS you dont judge cars by how fast they are.. you judge by how it makes you feel.. you have muscle cars, they're not that quick, they're big and they're heavy.. a gran torino, for a example.. it can't even do 8 minutes on the nurburgring, does it make a crap car ? NO .. jag e-type, 8 minute car, crap ? NO.. the ferrari f40.. the amount of people that would give an arm and a leg for one.. noo but its slower around the ring.. a vette will never be desired like these cars, EVER
blahblop123 2 weeks ago
@blahblop123 of course i never judge cars by how fast the are, i was just pointing out that Corvettes nowadays are very well what most still say american cars could never be at all, which is being fast around tracks, and in this case even as fast or faster than the finest most well established european sports cars, that's all, of course those cars you named are desireable, becuase the are icons and collectibles, whether the ZR1 will be one we can't say just yet, older Corvettes already are.
CHUUMPASS 2 weeks ago
@CHUUMPASS american cars have been fast for quite some time.. and so has the corvette.. the c5 z06 was doing exactly what the modern z06/zr1 is doing today.., back when it came out, the c5 z06 was one of the few cars to have lapped the nurburgring under 8 minutes .. but barely anyone knows that because its been forgotten already.. motor journalists say american cars handle crap, that has been a stereotype that won't be leaving in a hurry even with the corvette about
blahblop123 2 weeks ago
@blahblop123 you are right in what you say,classic muscles cars are only brutal in straight lines and torque monsters, and a jaguar e type is an icon without having ever been mind numbingly fast (even for its era) yet they are all legends in their own rights and have stood the test of time for different reasons, not just because they were fast in their days. but again, that was never my only point at all.
CHUUMPASS 2 weeks ago
@CHUUMPASS the e-type was like the corvette when it came out, it was faster than most ferrari's at the time, while being MUCH cheaper..that isn't why its an icon today..unlike the vette, it didn't make any comprimises to keep it cheap AND it looked like it did back when cars looked like boxes. the f40 was the first car to hit 200mph, but thats not why its the most desirable car, like you said. there's nothing the vette will be remembered for., like the c5, it will be quickly forgotten
blahblop123 2 weeks ago
@blahblop123 ya well, a C5 Corvette of course cannot be compared to an F40, because even among the ranks of the most well established nameplates like Ferrari in general the F40 it was a supercar,which the C5 never was,it was mass ware and never intended to be anywhere those spheres, the early Corvette especially the Stingray C2 however is right up there with an E-Type in terms of design and legendary status.like i said, Corvette is a bit of a strange thing because it fits into quite many roles
CHUUMPASS 1 week ago
@CHUUMPASS the c5 z06 had every intention to be remembered since it was supposed to be a ressemblance of the c2 z06 race car (which was never intended to be a classic) .. the same way the f50 was built to succeed the f40.. but the c5 z06 and the f50 never cut the mustard, they were released, then quickly forgotten..
blahblop123 1 week ago
@blahblop123 it can perform with the best at a fraction of the price of most others,(performance) it has a legendary status no matter what someone says, and it has all kinds of enthusiasts lashing out enormous sums for classic Corvettes like the mentioned Stingray (which is arguably one of the most iconic looking cars of all time) as quite a number of Vettes are indeed collectibles, and it has set numerous standards in terms of performance and racing.
CHUUMPASS 1 week ago
@CHUUMPASS the viper on the other hand, its made a legend of its own, being powerful, raw, brutal and ready to kill you LOL.. and with that you get the menacing look.. great car.. even though it has loads of flaws and is silly.. you still want one... if anyone builds anything thats brutal and crazy like the viper, people will say "its like a viper".. same way people compare the m600 to the f40 .. you can't do that with a vette. the supercar killer tag goes to the GTR
blahblop123 2 weeks ago
@blahblop123 all of that while still being relatively attainable even for non-rich folks and with undisputed reliability overall, plasticky interiors aside. Corvette are among the most durable and modifiable cars out there. a C4 Corvette in 1988 went 410 km/h for a record run and then it was driven right back home on public streets after it, at a time when such speeds in stock platform cars were unheard of! (Callaway Sledgehammer)
CHUUMPASS 1 week ago
@CHUUMPASS if i recall correctly, it was also the worst handling car on the planet with the 900 hp, which brings us back to the "american cars can't handle" stereotype.. they can be modified, but at what price.. there are no many rear wheel drive cars that can put all 900 hp down on a race track where you have 30-50-70 mph corners. i'm no expert but corner exits with 900 unpredictable turbo hp ready to burst = disaster
blahblop123 1 week ago
@blahblop123 i agree on the Viper, it is in a league of its own and those who complain about its "unrefinedness" don't quite get the Viper formula at all. at the time of its first introduction it was the closest thing to a racecar for the street that money could buy. GTR of course has its own place and i do agree to some extend with you here too, however it is AWD and i don't quite like AWD applications as it is "the safest&easiest way" to make a car go fast and be stable so to speak. imo.
CHUUMPASS 1 week ago
@CHUUMPASS i agree with AWD comment, personally, i'm not a fan of AWD, i prefer rear wheel drive.. and it is very customer friendly, meaning anyone can jump in and go fast.. but then again, that comes with the whole GTR appeal, of being not so great (statistically) , but great (in reality).. not a fan of the gtr but i appreciate everything they have achieved, with the weight, tyres, power.. even with 4wd, its not easy to haul that much weight and corner so fast with thin, road tyres
blahblop123 1 week ago
@blahblop123 plus, if you criticize the Corvette for its interior and built quality primarily there is just no way you could possibly spare the GTR here on that front, i've sat in one and it's completely nintendo plastic cheap feel inside-out. especially the interior! one that can cope with the GTR in that department just must never complain about it in a Corvette.
CHUUMPASS 1 week ago
@CHUUMPASS every car has plastic here and there, and the GTR is no exception.. but when interior peices start falling off and don't fit properly, and buttons get stuck.. its not what its made of, its about the quality of it and how its put together.. if it falls off and seats shoot forward everytime you brake, you have every right to complain after getting out of a GTR..
blahblop123 1 week ago
@blahblop123 since the 2008 C6 upgrade (LS3 engine) the interior was considerably upgraded,and you could opt for a fully leather wrapped and padded interior (sat in it and touched the materials) and the 2012 Centennial Package interior is another huge improvement, vastly upgraded, and the upcoming C7 i'm pretty sure will have that adressed majorly too as it has been a priority for GM to improve interior materials als quality as since the 90s they admittedly have lacked in that department
CHUUMPASS 2 weeks ago
design-wise it looks a lot like a koenigsegg from 2000 model year range, funny is also that when it comes to american makes the brits always whine and complain about how cars like vipers and corvettes weren't up to standards and not sophisticated enough, yet when a british company keeps it to the basics and rather pure,either no word on that or praise for "keeping it no - nonsense" ... pathetic! that goes to show how biased many of those so called"experts and enthusiast journalists"actually are
CHUUMPASS 2 months ago
@CHUUMPASS You have missed the point. The only similarity between this Brit Bruiser and a Yank Tank is the operation of the vehicle. Three pedals, steering wheel, four wheels. The end. Where Vettes and Vipers are fast, the Noble is three times the price, because it's three times the engineering. Carbon fibre tub and body, bespoke V8 by Yamaha and beautifly made interior (note Alcantara headlining and steering wheel). Steve Sutcliffe is an ex racing driver and knows his stuff. You're a YT nob
peanuts2105 1 month ago
@peanuts2105 you don't need to jump to the defense, still what i said is pretty much valid. "thrice the price equals thrice the engineering" yeah right... "alcantara headliner and steering wheel wrappings" what a logic. it is still OVER-engineering when you can do pretty much the same as far as performance is concerned with a lot less, and those who want plain and simple performance usually don't care for some alcantara rags here and there. not to mention the horrible reliabilty.overcomplicated
CHUUMPASS 1 month ago
@CHUUMPASS performance for less is something only a simple minded human being would think. i pay 120k from a zr1 right now, in 5 years its 60k (with the new c7 out).. i pay £200000 for a m600 today, it will be the same in 5 years because it is like the pagani zonda, rare, beautifully engineered, built with love (not glue and plastic).. and to be entirely honest, 99% of all american zr1 will never see the nurburgring (in which it done well), so much for 'performance'
blahblop123 3 weeks ago
@blahblop123 so you are viewing this from an investment standpoint, wanting the car to be a collectible, and as for you "only a simple minded person" argument, you do realize what kind of stupidity ignorance and arrogance that actually is do you!? you call it simple, while some may just call it smart, when you can pay less and get the same or better in terms of sheer performance.(which is what i was addressing here) you seem to want rarity and a stable investment, i say get the mona lisa!
CHUUMPASS 3 weeks ago
@CHUUMPASS if i wanted a collectable i'd buy an E-type. this packs 650hp, weighs around 2600 lbs, does 225, this is 10 times more of a car than a zr1... i'm paying 200k of my own money, ofcourse i'll see at as an investmant.. want performance for not much money, get a radical. paying less for LESS peformance (the zr1 isn't in the same league as the m600), knowing your gunna lose 60k by 5 years, so much for 'paying less', your making a 60k LOSS, a smart person would look long term too
blahblop123 3 weeks ago
@blahblop123 "10 times more of a car" really !? hardly ! but i see where you are coming from, you just dislike the Corvette as a brand in general, so that's okay with me, it's called blindfold bias, so i don't expect you to be objective on the matter at all anymore. it's ok!
CHUUMPASS 2 weeks ago
@CHUUMPASS corvette viper GTR whatever fan boy that comes on here because their favourite car got 7:20 around nurgburgring, and then come on video's on hyper cars like these and say the same thing "the zr1/viper/GTR is faster then this and half the price" blah blah fucking blah performance for the buck.. etc etc .. you can wank over 'performance for the buck' or nurburgring nuumbers as much as you like, just dont compare it to cars that not even in the same league...
blahblop123 2 weeks ago
@blahblop123 thank you, you just proved me right with my suspicion, but hey, no hard feelings man! it's ok, it seems that you are the "fanboy" here who refuses to accept plain facts. but again, that is okay with me as i have certainly never intended to come here and tell you what to like. btw. it's actually 7:19 for the ZR1 (fully stock) and 7:12 for the Viper ACR (stock) around the ring. ;) but oh well, nevermind.
CHUUMPASS 2 weeks ago
@CHUUMPASS you just proved 2/3 of my point ...and get your facts right .. its zr1 (DOT competition tyres, roll cage) .. viper acr (DOT competition tyres, SRT tune) ... okay you win.. i'm dazzled by these number that mean fuck all to me ...woooo... once you've saved up enough of your life savings, i dare you to buy either one hahah i thought you'd bring the GTR too but it looks like your one of those redneck 'patriotic' twats thats actually european.. i dont argue with rednecks
blahblop123 2 weeks ago
@blahblop123 first of all i'm not a redneck or an American at all, i'm german, so that must have slipped have your attention and shows how ignorant and biased you are jumping to such silly conclusions! and since when is a rollcage a performance upgrade ? that is a safety measure at best ! and both cars WERE FACTORY STOCK TRIM ! whether you like it or not. it get's allthemore obvious where you are coming from here though. pretty sad. keep winding and turning away from things you don't like.
CHUUMPASS 2 weeks ago
@CHUUMPASS roll cage is not a performance upgrade ? are you dumb ? it increases chassis rigidity aswell as safety, which in turn makes it more stable.. the roll cage does NOT come from the factory... and the SRT tune.., the SRT guys did not tune the vipers suspension at the factory like they did for the car when they did that lap.. again, NOT factory trim.. you can think it as much as you like, in hope that it magically is the car that did 7 whatever
blahblop123 2 weeks ago
@blahblop123 and you of all people have the valid info !? a roll cage adds chassis regidity but is primarily a safety measure that was done to protect the test driver (Jim Mero) because he was pushing the car to an extreme, you refuse to believe it but BOTH cars were fully stock and raced their respective times in a trim that was perfectly street legal and can be had right off the showroom floor! no magic tricks at all! but you may keep denying the truth for all i care.
CHUUMPASS 2 weeks ago
@CHUUMPASS no magic tricks are required.. only a suspension set up fit for the nurburgring/roll cage .and DOT competition tyres..you have no clue since you said BOTH were fully legal.. (zr1 had a NON STOCK roll cage = chassis rigidity, fact) that makes the zr1 time useless, and the viper, "tuned for outstanding track performance" fact by chrysler .. you keep wanking over the numbers, chances of you getting either with 7:12 / 7:20 performance from the factory is ZERO. keep dreaming son
blahblop123 2 weeks ago
@blahblop123 still BOTH cars can be had as they were driven from the factory and ARE INDEED street legal trims !!! i'm talking in compliance with DMV regulations (America) why do you keep kicking like a little child, it's long been acknowledged even by the biggest deniers that the ZR1 and the Viper (which was basically a 20 year old design) decimated most modern so called "super cars" on the ring with what they did, and they can actually be attained and driven the way the lapped their records !!
CHUUMPASS 2 weeks ago
@CHUUMPASS anyone can't build a car to blitz the track.. the radical done it with 360 hp.. a proper production car has to be built so its fast on the track without comprimising street drivablity. i'm talking about ride quality, sound deadening, stability at low speed, brake performance when cold, fuel economy.. with the viper, no comprises were made, you can drive it on the road, your just gunna wonder WHY ? the vette is almost as bad, some comprimises were made and it shows..
blahblop123 2 weeks ago
@CHUUMPASS modern supercars are not built to get 7 minutes blah around the ring.. no one gives a fuck, it tells you fuck all about the car apart from it goes fast around one track. its good for sales, but its not good the people that buy it. cuz you'll end up drag racing it at the lights and going 35mph everywhere. at what price? deafness and a broken spine..you can get all out track cars; the ultima gtr720 did it in 6 mins range, and its road legal and more livable that most cars
blahblop123 2 weeks ago
@blahblop123 of course neither me nor you could get these numbers around the ring, as we aren't quite the drivers to do it, but still a ZR1 with the tires (standard for 2012 model year & centennial package) and a Viper ACR with the correct personbehind the wheel could !!! right off the factory floor! just face it man! it doesn't even collide with your preference for over-engineered overpriced fancy collectors items like the noble. ;)
CHUUMPASS 2 weeks ago
@CHUUMPASS i still can't believe you really think that the ACR knocked off 10s off its initial nurburgring time with no adjustments from stock.. and the zr1, CANNOT do a 7:20 even with the centnnial carbon whatever.. a roll cage makes such a big difference, stock cars converted to race cars have them stiffen the chassis to race levels.. i'm not saying they're not street legal, i'm saying they're not FACTORY stock, little adjustments can make a BIG difference..
blahblop123 2 weeks ago
@CHUUMPASS over engineered ? it doesn't have ABS, it doesn't have carbocoque chassis or whatever its called, it doesn't have magnetic dampers, it doesn't even have ceramic brakes.. just mid-engine v8, twin turbo,6 speed rear wheel drive, 1200kg weight.. simple, with sufficient quality bits and bobs. in comparison to a plastic, cheap glued, seat shooting forward vette ? no one would prefer a vette over anything let alone an m600, no one ever has. they're all buying porsche and ferraris
blahblop123 2 weeks ago
@blahblop123 no one ? really? what cave have you been in ? you should check sales numbers and read a little bit more , and not just "know" the things that you prefer to know as your private "facts" for example the very first 2012 Z06 Convertible was acutioned off for $700K !!! overall you can find Corvette enthusiasts that actually know and drive their cars (because unlike most euro stuff corvette`s can actually handel abuse without needing a complete overhaul afterwards)
CHUUMPASS 2 weeks ago
@CHUUMPASS i dont know where your living but i have NEVER seen a corvette on the roads, motor shows yes, on the road, as in people like you and me having paid their own hard earned cash for.. never... i'd been to london, geneva, frankfurt, paris, NYC and not once.. well, somethings wrong..i've seen more 458's than ANY vette from ANY year..thats saying something..
blahblop123 2 weeks ago
@blahblop123 and you are basically now saying yourself that the noble is quite crudely made, so why bother spending that much money if you can have all of that for a lot less IF performance only is your main goal, you couldn't care less about interior knobs, leather stitching and velvet headliners and whatnot! cheaply glued parts? you are clearly doing bandwagon talk here! and i bet you have never even sat let alone driven a contemporary Corvette or Viper. get off jeremy clarkson`s religion!
CHUUMPASS 2 weeks ago
@CHUUMPASS i didn't say it was crudely made, i said it was basic. and again, with the performance for less BS.. if you want performance for less, get a radical, its the fastest thing on the road being sold today, and its pure performance, why does it matter that it has no roof ?, or no power steering ? back that up ? jeremy clarkson knows nothing, but i have been in a vette and NO ONE backs its interior, even the vette fanboys keep the interior on the low because they know its SHIT
blahblop123 2 weeks ago
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05Rudey 5 months ago
looks gorgeous in that blue.
05Rudey 5 months ago
hmm.. no ABS then
sure it's understandable that a 'serious driver' might not need it
but it's like when they take out the airbags (does this have airbags?)
sure it might be more pure, but if you ever have an accident, you'll probably have to pay for it
and hopefully not with your life
Seems like a very nice car though ^^ *wants one*
MiserableMist 6 months ago
@Jelsick i agree it dosent matter who made it just so long as they made it good!.
hollywoodandwolfman 7 months ago
this car has the steering wheel left?
khaluC 7 months ago
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Every fart released on one of those seats will cause the value to decrease by about $1000.
MisterJetta 7 months ago
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MisterJetta 7 months ago
i'm always thinking that he's a ghostdriver ...
sases 8 months ago
no ABS???.... fuck
thomaizinho 8 months ago
That is a car for TRUE enthusiast. Take away abs, paddle shifters and all the electronic safety features of most modern sports cars, and most of the idiot drivers out here would wrap themselves around a tree within 30 days of ownership. Especially in the states. They give driver's licenses to any boob that can parallel park in this country.
pm512 9 months ago 10
Its the batmobile.
ThinkingArt 9 months ago
Would rather watch Top Gear's review :)
vianegativa85 10 months ago
This is a bad ass car!
FesterNScab 10 months ago
the intro music is annoying
BigBoss13198 10 months ago
Look at the license plate... M600 WHO
Spect8er1 10 months ago
Nice car, but why does it wear a twatplate? It's M60 OGB on the blue one!
TheCruizer 10 months ago
@buckeddy47 look it up man. your way off. Porsche owns VW. VW owns audi, lambo, bentley, bugatti, skoda, and seat.
cody227 11 months ago
it's a pure copy of the ferrari scuderia (light and back)
tigerwoods007mgm 1 year ago
@tigerwoods007mgm how the fuck do you get that? it looks nothing like a ferrari idiot
TrulyUniqueOne 11 months ago
can't go right with the brakes. Who says normal brakes are bad, they're as good as carbon ceramic. The only problem comes when you use them hard and use them a lot. Like in a race or may be going downhill etc, that is where carbon ceramic brakes really stand out.
ninjat346 1 year ago
Auto cars nigger
Ryanr75rc 1 year ago
from the front like a koenigsegg, from the back a bit like an aston...LOVE it!
omilio 1 year ago
this is a mid engined supra soo sick i want one
italomopar 1 year ago
i do like the look of this car. for some reason super cars always look even better in black
superdave31 1 year ago
every time there is an ad a box drops down over the picture and doesn't leave for the entire video. I refresh but that doesn't always work. what is wrong with youtoob?
leloodallasmultipass 1 year ago
my friend's cousin owns one of these...
hieele 1 year ago
@hieele no he doesnt
Siik94Skillz 1 year ago
@hieele not bad considering its not even for sale yet, and probably wont even be sold in the US.
dipshit
wolfyys 1 year ago
@hieele Lol, dumbshit.
clawbog2 1 year ago
I've got lots of high res photos of this car and many other exotic supercars on my site, (w)(w)(w) . Nick98 . weebly . com Thanks, Nick.
Nick98Nick98 1 year ago
Perhaps if Lotus gets all v6ish and paddlshifty as many predict, noble will make a smaller car that can be a follow for the current elise, which also is a "driver's car". The current Lotus direction however looks like they are going over to "mainstream" high end cars.
Love my Elise and this sounds like a supersize on the elise/exige (roughly twice the power (compared to aftermarket F/I modded elises/exiges ) and only +50% of the wieght. Definately a dream car for people who value road feel.
fsparv 1 year ago
Somehow m600 resembles koenigsegg front + ferrari and r8 rear
chsoo92 1 year ago
If they bore the engine out, add bigger turbo and made it a little more aerodynamics they could make 800 hp and 240 MPH +...... Hypercar!
super00su 1 year ago
so only drivers with race car training can drive a noble
aksnkns7 1 year ago
@aksnkns7 Lol, no. Where'd you hear that???
asg631 1 year ago
ugly car compare to a lambo or ferrari.
haskella45 1 year ago
@haskella45 Lambos & Ferraris are overhyped. Plus, looks mean nothing when it comes to a performance car.
asg631 1 year ago
always hate that this guy only likes hypercars like lambo and ferrari, or a thing wich is made in britain, he doesnt like anything further, even though they are extremely beautifull like a spyker aileron
TheEvanovitch 1 year ago
Is it safety like volvo?
PW227 1 year ago
I would love to buy this instead of a lambo or ferrari..
Porsche010 1 year ago
@Porsche010 im a huge lambo fan and ferrari, but this this M600 looks way better then any lambo out there, way faster too... this Noble is a fucking animal.
jahkoz 1 year ago
It looks awesome... but I still love the audi R8 V12
s9706248 1 year ago
this car is made with a volvo engine !
tyroi2 1 year ago
@tyroi2 thats what she said
Porsche010 1 year ago
For 200,000 quid, you'd think you'd get carbon brakes. Thats my only quip, this thing is awesome
magnum9987 1 year ago
probably the best car you can buy on the planet at the moment
boysvandehood 1 year ago
This is defeating the noble philosophy,a super car at the fraction of the price not the same price.noble needs to stay humble and price their cars back under 100k.I love the other nobles.
TheDartblockstang 1 year ago
At this price this isnt going to be the1st supercar someone would buy. Rather a Fezza or lambo but if you already have one of the established supercars and you just sold your diamond mine then this is the car for you
desmonds22 1 year ago
I believe it is a monster! But for that money... You only get power and fun! And past a few years... what car was that?!
But if Noble can keep in the market, they will be a great and respected supercar manufacturer.
I which I could see some battles between this M600 and others supercars!
MAFTulha 1 year ago
finally someone puts a proper gear box in a car ,not those gay paddle shifters
marcotoni231 1 year ago
Sorry but this is the crappiest car over £100k I have ever seen.
The only thing I hate on this car is everything. Even the rubbish 'Noble Automotive' logo. The car has no safety equipment, no style, no substance or no luxury and no thought gone into it. In reminds me of a modern XJ220 and as such is in the wrong era. Drivers car or not, I'll take a 599 thanks.
ecouriercouk 1 year ago
@ecouriercouk Different vein of car and strictly for car enthusiasts who love mechanical integrity. The guy who owns the factory was obsessed with creating a modern F40 that could be used everyday rather than a competitor to the 599, lp640 etc. This meant it had to be technically "old school" and simple as possible which is appealing to some but not to everyone. Discarding it because its old-fashioned and simple is like saying a patek is crap because a casio is cheaper and has more features
desmonds22 1 year ago 31
@desmonds22 Actually I would like to thank u for your helpful and very balanced reply to my criticisms of this car. Very well constructed response so I've given u a thumbs up. I was nearly right with my 'Modern XJ220' theory, instead u state the F40. It's just disappointing when u know a company could have done better but chooses to stubbornly stick to it's principles to appease 'enthusiasts'. I would say Lotus has the perfect (across the) range balance to suit enthusiastic & commercial buyers.
ecouriercouk 1 year ago
@ecouriercouk Well the thing about Lotus, Noble, Ariel, Caterham, Ultima etc is that they are strictly "enthusiast" cars. Porsche&Ferrari need to make cars that appeals to as many people as possible so the result is a compromise of hard-core performance and modern convenience/luxury. These smaller manufacturers exist because there's a market for cars without these "conveniences" that get in the way of the driving experience. the result? An Ariel, Noble, Lotus would kill a 458 around a track
desmonds22 1 year ago
@desmonds22 Given a skilled driver. Auto racing is about 85% driver, 15% car. and that might be giving the car too much credit already.
fsparv 1 year ago
@ecouriercouk Well, the definition of making something "better" is all to each own :)
vithaj92 1 month ago
@vithaj92 'better is in the eye of the beholder" Incorrect. For sports car engineers better is based on set performance parameters; these are typically: Faster, Lighter, Stronger, More fuel / Aero efficient, More powerful, & better handling then the model before. I was going to add, 'Better looking' too, but then I look at this years (2012) current crop of F1 (nose) designs and relise that true sports car engineers are not concerned about looks, just performance vis a vis Nissan GTR.
ecouriercouk 2 weeks ago
@ecouriercouk The word "better" and the meaning of it does not "belong" to just engineers... I don't know what got you to make that assumption, but you are incorrect :)
vithaj92 2 weeks ago
@vithaj92 WoW. You clearly struggle with reading. Please tell me who said "The word Better, belongs to".... Actually, please dont. With all due respect I would prefer to engage with users who can actually reference my comments more acurately then you, and users whom will not misquote or bastardize my comments. Feel free to come back to me when you feel more qualified to do this. Regards.
ecouriercouk 2 weeks ago
@ecouriercouk I could say the exact same thing to you. Seriously, why did you assume I was talking about engineers when I first brought up the subject? "Better is in the eye of the beholder" sure is correct if you are a driving enthusiast
vithaj92 2 weeks ago
@desmonds22 Very well said.
vithaj92 1 month ago
@ecouriercouk 599 has none of that either.
LukeNAESA10 1 year ago
I Fuuucckkkinnnngg LOOOOOOOVVVEEEE this CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!
jahkoz 1 year ago
this car so simelar to lambo\
zknoob 1 year ago
Hes boring to listen to.....
Bandosthegod 1 year ago
Why do these always turn into nationalistic squabbles? Real car nuts like all cars...regarless of where the hell it comes from.
Jelsick 1 year ago 52
@Jelsick word
00haze 1 year ago
@Jelsick Its hard to like American cars when you Americans act like dickheads
namybot 5 months ago 3
probably the car i would choose if i could pick anyone i want.
picinomundo 1 year ago
Monotone blah blah.. can't you even try to sound excited about this beauty mate!
gimickuk1 1 year ago
World Exclusive? if i'm not mistaken top gear's Jeremy Clarkson also drove this car..
trxslashdriver 1 year ago
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zilla4you 1 year ago
@zilla4you You are incredibly ignorant...
WALL45tech 1 year ago
@zilla4you Dear troll, speaking of facts, the Shelby Cobra IS an AC cobra that Carol Shelby added a Ford engine in it. How's that for a joke?
Back to this video... 0_o What a car...
payasofeo69 1 year ago
What's with the other car driving for a head on collision in the first 11 seconds? lol
armestam 1 year ago
this car looks so gay..
looks like a copy cat of r35 gtr..
deizt08 1 year ago
@deizt08 Oh yeah totally. Dumbass. This would kill a GTR, as good as they are.
AdrianC12345 1 year ago
i said looks like a copy cat of GTR..
stupid.
deizt08 1 year ago
@deizt08 nobles were around way before gtr
animeonperseest 1 year ago
There are loads available but at this price.. not alot. Its pricetag is its achilles heal really. The purist, dedicated driver isnt necessarily the same one that has 200 000 quid to blow on a car.
Janusha 1 year ago
Noble should join Fia GT. :D
murilospecht 1 year ago
dont like the shifter, looks cheap.
kainj100 1 year ago
@kainj100 i completely agree, i think they could have done a better job on the centre console
HoraceHam 1 year ago
Its amazing how americans still go on and on about their holy Corvette ZEE AAR ONE and how its BEST IN THE WOOORLD. This thing isnt a carbonfibre hypercar. Its got the same 600-something hp as the Corvette only they use a Volvo engine. Like the corvette they havent put in much in the way of fancy technology yet this thing went straight to nr 3 on TopGears leaderboard and pushed the ZR1 down to 19.
Janusha 1 year ago
@Janusha the ZR1 can go fuck a sock.
aluminumfalcom 1 year ago 2
@aluminumfalcom Well its not exactly shit is it.. Just massively overrated.
Janusha 1 year ago
@Janusha the cars a great car, the the fanboys that preach about it need to shut the fuck up, because no one cares.
aluminumfalcom 1 year ago
@Janusha This has more hp, but it still proves that you don't need a massive engine. 4.4 liters and it's still more powerful than a ZR1, my kind of super car!
AdrianC12345 1 year ago
Renault build a 1.3 litre engine producing 1300hp. Caterham sells a perfectly fine 2.4 litre car with 550 hp. There are loads of these examples.
Its very rare to see an american engine with 100hp pr liter. And they place it between the front wheels. A 8.4 Viper engine weighs 323 kilos or 720lbs which is like 1960s engines. That weight pushes the car straight ahead regardless of hp, torque and grip. The american way is the result of old tech and lazyness. Not research and development.
Janusha 1 year ago 2
so ugly
huiop311 1 year ago
@huiop311 enough about yourself ...what do you think of the car ?
craaabppl 1 year ago
They forgot to mention that it's a Volvo V8, from the S80. Volvo POWER!!!!!!!!!!!
AdrianC12345 1 year ago
C90 I think.
Janusha 1 year ago
its like an r8, california and lambo with a little aston in there
colenbrak 1 year ago
@colenbrak And Volvo!
AdrianC12345 1 year ago
@AdrianC12345 trueee
colenbrak 1 year ago
Volvo Engine ftw!!
HardFang14 1 year ago
@HardFang14 Actually it's a Yamaha engine made for the Volvo XC90 and S0R. But whoever made it, still a very good engine.
NobleM15fan 1 year ago
good job brits. i was suprised they went with a performance orientde sports car and not a more ellegant galloping drive, like the ferrari or maserati. the look isnt that original but still is unique in most terms.
adulby 1 year ago
The problem is that this car is really fast and truly a driver's car, but people in general (not car enthusiast) might appreciate it for a while and then totally forget about the name Noble. It's so sad but true that these days many supercars have lost the essence and become some sort of a soulless machine built for showing off.
9XeRoXo 1 year ago
British and German cars are truly the best. I don't think others can rival them
kingdong4 1 year ago
British, German, AND Italian cars are the best.
buttnut1080 1 year ago 2
@buttnut1080
what good car has Germany ever made?
Italian and British Cars FTW!
BKsMassive 1 year ago
There are some but I'm more devoted to Italian cars as well as some british cars. I can think of a few crout cars: porsche carrera GT, 911 GT3 RS, mercedes W220 S65.
buttnut1080 1 year ago
@buttnut1080
omg proshes ¬¬
jesus there bad! xD
had them!
BKsMassive 1 year ago
They're not that bad
buttnut1080 1 year ago
@BKsMassive doubt it. Having a 944 doesn't mean you have the right to say you know about porsches cause you owned one.
cody227 1 year ago
@BKsMassive : ( mercedes slr? XDDDDD
Porsche carrera gt? xD
Audi s8, Audi r8? : D
golf r32? : D
XrayMovies 1 year ago
@XrayMovies
Hate All of Them :)
Germany </3
BKsMassive 1 year ago