If you look at history the North Africans were most likely mixed. If you look at the Pangean theory then at one time Africa was even connected to Europe.
NOT if & until we find the remains of Cleopatra VII herself can we determine if she was fully Caucasoid or of partial native Egyptian ancestry, a biracial people w. sub-Saharan African & white Mideastern blood. Not until we can determine that the supposed “sister” of said Cleopatra was indeed her sibling, & a whole one at that & not merely a half, as the Macedonian Ptolemaidae were polygamists, can we do this. Until then we have to rely on the historic evidence & proclaim her a white European.
@TheHIETTz Bros lets be honest,we call ourselves niggaz to differentiate from you non-logical creatures.We now have a epidemic with a lot of white kids saying "nigga". We won't forget slavery (slavery civilized the human-beast) so we use nigga as a reminder of our people. u white kids now feel left out..you guys r great infiltrators (rocknroll/Elvis Hiphop/Eminem).u'll rewrite the history and say eminem is the greatest while we has a whole know eminem can't flow or shit.u hijacking r culture.
FYI, there was no racism before 1500 a.d. The beauty of Africans (esp Nubia) was revered world-wide. Nubia (couple hundred miles upriver) was a greater kingdom than that of Egypt and Egyptian royalty was happy to have them mix into their bloodline.
@thevillain091 They are not. Different cultures, different people. However, they are both Black African people. Apparently the Egyptians were a light-skinned African.
@NaiveCynical The ancient Egyptians and the Nubians are of the same origin. 2009 studies have shown that Nubians are the closest people ethnically to ancient Egyptians. You can google it for yourself. And there culture are very similar they had the same rituals, deities, pyramid & masonry techniques. 1 Nile Vally Culture that spread throughout Africa, all Africans are descendants of the Nile.
@ErikandAndreea Maybe it was built in China and carried by large army ants into Africa.Then it moved to australia by boat by europeans.Blond haired blue eyed europeans.But wait then the Blacks moved to europe and built stonehenge.Then wait...wait ..then the chinese took over egypt..grasping at straws fool, you're just grasping at straws
black people need to get over their obsession with trying to matter to whites, get over it.
if u need to truly understand the situation, next time u see one visualize them as a demon in a nazi uniform (DINU), that should clear your mind up right away.
@TheHIETTz No, you see the thing is, white people have for hundreds of years kept from black people the inheritance of their own history. Black history matters to Black people. You all can do what you want to with your knowledge. I suggest abstaining from ignorance. Ignorance makes you all violent.
@NaiveCynical no, being around the devil and thinking that they are humans as they poison kill, ritually murder, hound harass, beat, starve and "police" flood your neighborhoods with cheap drugs, invent epidemics, and create viruses to specifically target the wombs of your women, gang stalk, monitor, destroy any organization you create to help yourself as a federal mandate, kill your leaders, bombing homes and churches, gonna go with DINU
the starvation and flooding drugs and guns = violent
@NaiveCynical too many federal official have officially and unofficially said it is to destroy us, or gone out of their way to deny the above mentioned as an ongoing program to degrade and bring low "us people".
we need to get the fuck away from you evil ass mother fuckers. and i know i know, as soon as we go to africa u people will just have the CIA do to us what u did to liberia, and everywhere else in africa as nixon put it "we cannot allow the rise of an african state"
@NaiveCynical DINU clears everything up in an instant, instead of trying so hard to see these people as human, you see them for their consistent actions.
when u see DINU u know exactly how to act
u see this NWO crap isn't new to blacks, welcome to our world.
@TheHIETTz Demon in a Nazi Uniform... O_o Well, it's certainly true that blacks shouldn't count on partnerships with them, but all ties cannot be severed. You have to realize still, that not everyone is involved in the organization pitted against blacks. They are very organized and they have their orders, but connections should still be attempted. Keep your enemies close.
I am happy to see that China and SAmerica are reaching out to Africa. White nations are too manipulative and shady.
@NaiveCynical but that is the point, with the visualization, all mysteries are cleared up. and u do not do stupid shit like sending your kids to their schools, you do not leave your kids in their care. then wonder why they are all screwed up when they are done with them. there will be no mystery to why you did not get the job, or why you can only go so far. you say oh, ok then, and move on. you start organizing accordingly because you are up against a military force.
@NaiveCynical true, their indifference to africa is less than the west, but there are a lot of dynamics to consider before believeing that china and s. america dont play the same game as the west.they do.they learnt their lesson.exploit or be exploited.china has become the exploiter and exploited all in one.the west is addicted to having their own game played back to them by COMMUNISTS.the master is now the student,vice versa.you can call it the 'grasshoppering' of the west.
@ohmphthschwrhu I would like to remain a little naive and think that there's some people out there not corrupted by greed... If there's any hope at all, it's the quasi-non-capitalists in China. China promises not to make any policy demands in their partnerships with African nations :D Hopefully they will grow Hemp which will skyrocket their economy like it did for European nations. It's easy to grow and it's number of uses are amazing.
@NaiveCynical good that you do ,being too cynical is too destructive to digest....also ...dont believe china...also.......WARNING! WILL ROBINSON WARNING!pleeease dont remind china of how they gave their gold to the britts for one more hit of that afghan opium which the britts sold them.also china took tibet to tell india 'conquer to the west and northwest or we'll bring our might barreling down the 'hemp'malayans' on you'.scuse my arrogance.'.i hope we recall how to build the pyramids by then.
"UNESCO convened the "Symposium on the Peopling of Ancient Egypt and the Deciphering of the Meroitic Script" in Cairo in 1974. At that forum the "Black Egyptian" theory was rejected by 90% of delegates, and the symposium concluded that Ancient Egyptians were much the same as modern Egyptians."
Egyptians regardless of skin tone are Egyptians, the natives since the pharaohs time still do exist. Have you heard much about Coptic Orthodox Egyptians? Coptic meaning Egyptians is a pharoanic word and is the language of the Pharaohs legacy
Google Coptic language Coptic people They are not Arabian at all, they speak Arabic only due to the influence of arabs coming to the country, People who speak English does not make everyone British, visit Egypt and learn. Africa is a continent of diversity.
simple as this... there are plenty of people around the world especially in the carribeans and island people that posess the name cleopatra, even miss cleo, the notorious television psychic.... no where have i came across a white bitch anywhere with such a name.....amber samantha and becky, does not give you cleo....
Just read about the findings of that program Cleopatra Portrait of a Killer, when they carbon dated the bones of the skeletal remains the female would have been too young to have been Arsinoe, she was killed in 41 bce, and these bone dated back to 68 bce to 62 bce so if this were in fact Arsinoe like the program suggests she woud have been aroud 8 to 14 years when Arsinoe raised an uprising against Julius Caesar, so in otherwords this was not Arsinoe.
@RandomChanell1333 Huh? except that they are? I don't understand what you mean. If you are referring to Nordic Whites not being native to Norway, then you should read a book. This is common knowledge in Norway.
King Tut Unwrapped (Discovery Channel) showed the DNA of King Tut's mother. (D13S317 =12, D7S820 = 10, D2S1338 = 16, D21S11 = 29, D16S539 = 8, D18S51 = 19. These Markers Are African. The information that DNA Tribes published came from the DISCOVERY CHANNEL.
@NECHOII there are no NEANDERTHAL BONES IN NORTH AFRICA!! None WHATSOEVER!! That's the prime reasoning. Theres ur proof all native africans dnt have any neanderthal in them But MODERN EGYPTIANS DOI and theres no bones inside africa but there ar bones outside like in Europe, Asia and every where else FACT hahahahahaha
there are no NEANDERTHAL BONES IN NORTH AFRICA!! None WHATSOEVER!! That's the prime reasoning. Theres ur proof all native africans dnt have any neanderthal in them But MODERN EGYPTIANS DOI and theres no bones inside africa but there ar bones outside like in Europe, Asia and every where else FACT hahahahahaha
@Macedonia475 your lack of education deems you unworthy of any sort of debate, your spelling also sucks. :-/ niggers?// you are a small man with small thoughts. good luck in life, you need it.
@Macedonia475 I see why you got all racial, the video was fine until the end where he seemed to be poking fun at other races, unnecessary at best. Non race is better than the other, all have strengths and weaknesses. Is a german shepard better than a pitbulll or a doberman pinscher? different forms of the same species, same as with humans. none better, just different.
Hilke Thuer has discovered the slkeleton of Arsionoe, Cleopatras sister.. it reveals that Cleopatras mother was infact Black, therefore making her MIXED RACE. It is outlandish that this woman was white., and a 10,000yr long peoples were all white. IN AFRICA Phwahahahaha clowns.
@DEFACTO9 Arsinoe was Cleopatra's half sister, historians don't have a clue to what Cleopatra's mothers race was, Cleopatra and Arsinoe had the same father who was Greek and different mothers
Melanin responsible for skin pigmentation, is insoluble & is preserved for millions of years in Mummies skins. Although the epidermis is the main site of the melanin, the melanocytes
penetrating the derm at the boundary between it and the epidermis, even where
the latter has mostly been destroyed by the embalming materials, show a melanin
level which is non-existent in the white-skinned races.
thus classifying the ancient Egyptians unquestionably among the black races.
Portraying egyptians of that era as cray-white people is misinformation. It's a known fact that Hollywood is known to fuck up history for entertainment : no need to make a mocking , laughin vid about that to point out the obvious. Egyptians of today don't even look like egyptians from 4000 years ago. Halle Berry is too white to portray anyone from that area and from that era imo. Even Jesus is portrayed as caucasian by Hollywood which is total crap. This vid stinks of mockery.
@Robineux99 True, Hollywood is known for its historical inaccuracies. Halle Berry is not fit for any Egyptian portrayal because she has no Egyptian roots in the first place.
Jesus Caucasian? Of course he was a Caucasian? Jews especially those living in Galilee are Caucasians.
What I meant is that while he was not negro type he was certainly not snow-white blondie either. just a darker complexion than what we are used to see.
@SloveintzWend they are NOT, they are of middle east ancestry and middle east people look nothing like white europeans. nice try... hair, nose, facial features and eye color are all darker, not light with blue eyes etc.
@vetb882 What are they NOT? Caucasians? Do you even know what Caucasian is? European does not equal Caucasian however Europeans are part of Caucasians.
White/black is a social label, it has nothing to do with this.
@SloveintzWend King Tut Unwrapped (Discovery Channel) showed the DNA of King Tut's mother. (D13S317 =12, D7S820 = 10, D2S1338 = 16, D21S11 = 29, D16S539 = 8, D18S51 = 19. These Markers Are African. The information that DNA Tribes published came from the DISCOVERY CHANNEL.
@downbrownintown i stand corrected. Egyptian artifacts have been found in west Africa. dating back 1000 bc. so there is evidence of a trans-African trade route going back at least that far.
FOR THE RECORD CLEOPATRA WAS BLACK LIKE TYRA B . remains of the queen’s sister Princess Arsinoe, found in Ephesus, Turkey, indicate that her Mother had an “African” skeleton.
Experts have described the results as “a real sensation.”
The discovery was made by Hilke Thuer of the Austrian Academy of Sciences.
That Arsinoe had an African mother is a real sensation. ISNT IT.. BECAUSE IT SHOCKS WHITES.. NO BLACK PERSON IS SURPRISED BECAUSE WE NEVER BELIEVED AN AFRICAN PLACE RULED BY AN OUTSIDER. LOL
@downbrownintown actually there is evidence that the ancient Egyptians have a central African influence. in recent yrs several mummies with similar styles the Egypt,have been found in central Africa. also pottery with Egyptian style markings and similarities have been found. both have been dated older than Egypt's. when the Sahara started to expand these central Africans were forced into the Nile regions. they brought there culture with them and influenced both Nubian and Egyptian culture.
@kingzula You guys should stop flaunting information without sources. SOURCES are very important if you are going to claim that Ancient Egyptian artifacts were found in Central Africa. I NEED SOURCES ... NOT FANTASY!!!
You guys give some good information but without SOURCES your information is useless:)
Could you provide sources to your findings above?!?!
@dogons2k12 dont put words in my mouth!!! i said that mummies and artifacts that were a similar style but older was found in central Africa(in the Chad-Libya region). Google "mystery of the black mummy".i did not say it was Egyptian. if they were older they couldn't be Egyptian. i said the styles were similar.
While Cleopatra had an African mother,I am not that impressed with her,give me the Meroitic Queen Amanishekhato those forces attacked the Roman territory at Aswan. They sacked Thebes and defeated the Roman garrison there. Strabo reported that the Kushite Queen "enslaved the inhabitants, and threw down the statues of Caesar. archeological work uncovered a statue of Caesar at Meroe buried under the entrance floor of a temple at Meroe to be trampled on for all times,She was a true queen.
@dogons2k12 WHY DID THESE STUPID MOORS GO TO EURPE AND EDUCATE THESE DEMONS ABOUT EVERYTHING THEY KNOW. THE WORLD WOULD BE A BETTER PLACE BY NOW. THE MOORS WERE THE DOWNFALL OF AFRICA .
@dogons2k12 the moors were the people who destryed africa and brought islam to africa....they started the slave trade on black africans sending them across the atlantic by forming an alliance with white people. Many Africans who were sent to the middle east were castrated into eunochs to be non productive. The teaching of the islamic slave trade on black africans is always avoided. They desired white blonde headed blue eyed white females as a result of their white slavery
@spider879 he 8 LOCI's that we are talking about, come from the YOUNG LADY that was found next to King Tut's Grandmother (Tut's Mother). This is what the Discovery Channel Posted: (D13S317 =12, D7S820 = 10, D2S1338 = 16, D21S11 = 29, D16S539 = 8, D18S51 = 19. These Markers Are African. Stop talking about DNA Tribes and GOOGLE: King Tut Unwrapped: Maternal. The evidence cam out in December of 2011. King Tut is African. Get over i t @phoenician7
@spider879 you need to look up the history of the Ptolemies which Cleopatra was a member of that family she is of Greek origin and there are archaeologists that suggest that Cleopatra's mother was Greek or Persian and Arsinoe is her half sister they had the same father but different mothers, the BBC Cleopatra: Portrait of a Killer they didn't even have the actual skull of Arsinoe, so you can take that with a grain of salt no proof at all.
@thevillain091 Historians don't know what race Cleopatra's mother was her father was Greek and her half sister was Arsinoe, but if the archaeological find is indeed Arsinoe then it does show that the Greeks did intermingle with Africans in Egypt.
@thevillain091 I have just about all the latest books written on Cleopatra and there was no mention of Cleopatra's mother being black like I said historians don' really know what race Cleopatra's mother is or in those books it would have said that she is black, even the History Channel can be wrong on some thing where history is concern, no human being is perfect in thinking or otherwise except for God.
@thevillain091 IF SHE WASNT RULER WHY HER CARTOUCHES WASN'T EMPTY. GREEK, ROMAN .CARTOUCHES WAS EMPTY BECAUSE THE REAL EGYPTIANS SHOWED THEN NO RESPECT AS RULERS. CLEOPATRA CARTOUCH WAS FILLED BECAUSE SHE WAS A REAL AFRICAN. ONLY AFRICANS CAN RULE AFRICA. HISTORY CHANNEL SHOWED REAL DNA EVIDENCE ANDARISNOE BONES
@thevillain091 And also if you google what race was Cleopatra's mother it will say that historians don't know the heritage of Cleopatra's mother or even paternal grand mother, if they ever find the skeletal remains of Cleopatra then and only hen will we know for certain what the other half of Cleopatra's race was.if that be black or whatever it doesn't matter to me. But I tend to believe experts in Egyptology than what I hear on television
@downbrownintown before i answer the question may i ask were your family is originally from?? also can you give me the links were i can find this information.
ok, ok, ok if I want to study something like this documentary, that will be anthropology, archeaology, or what? I know archeology and historians are totally out of jobs, but African archeology, it is paying? is somebody financing to rediscover Africa archeology? I want to study that but there is no jobs.
europeans lie. they try to say they are the only ones that had a civilization when really they have never risen above their original warlike barbarian states. African had PLENTY of great civilizations with great achievements that still exist as well as African ingenuity. Why do you think the imported slaves from Africa, many of the people enslaved were skilled workers. In South Carolina the euros couldnt even figure out what to do with the land but ghanains cultivated rice there
You guys are all ridiculous, in one video you clam that Egyptians were as black as people from Barbados, and that the nonblack was mixed into them when the Hyksos came, and then you claim Cleopatra was black, when she was a Macedonian Greek. For that to be true the Macedonians would have had to have been black by your standars. BAsically, you guys pick up and throw away rules as long as they suit your main thesis: ALL EGYPTIANS WERE BLACK AND YOU ARE THEIR CULTURAL AND GENETIC INHERITORS.
@tripleleo I don't think anyone said "all egyptians were black". There have always been immigrants, invaders and mixture in the world's greatest civilizations. There were trade colonies in Egypt from various parts of the ancient world, that much is undeniable. What is also undeniable is that the base of the Egyptian population and their origin was black Africans. The Egyptians themselves said this in their writings. There are whites in most African countries today, but they are black countries.
@747t Can you cite a source confirming that Egyptians described themselves as black? Because all I've come across thus far is that Egyptians distinguished themselves from "black Nubians."
@takfam07 I never said the Egyptians describe themselves as black. The Greeks do, however. The Egyptians described themselves relative to their neighbors, which were the Nubians, and yes they distinguish themselves. Have you ever seen the Nuba people? Dinkas? The modern Nubians are mixed with Arabs, and are the best approximation of what the Ancient Egyptians looked like. The Dinka and Nuba WERE the Nubians, only they didnt mix later. The Egyptians describe ORIGINATING in the south. Get it????
@747t The Greeks of record visited Egypt centuries after the greatest Dynasties had passed. So what they encountered were intermittent peoples who temporarily took control Egypt, including Nubians. And if ancient Egyptians distinguished themselves from Nubians, why would Nubian-Arab mixes approximate what the Egyptians looked like? And Egyptians might've originated in the "south"--don't we all originate from East Africa?--this doesn't mean that those indigenous types created the Dynasties.
@takfam07 The Nuba and the Dinkas by the way are the blackest people on the earth! Of course the Egyptians didn't look black next to them They didnt have our modern notion of "blackness". They do say though that their origin is the land of Punt, which still exists in Somalia. This would also explain their strong resemblance to modern day Somalians. We can't post links still on here so Google this: "Egypt Punt Homeland" and any other variations. There is an abundance of sources.
@747t Nuba and Dinkas? Somalis? You're describing pastoral, nomadic peoples. These peoples were tribal nomadic herders before, during and after Egypt. They have static cultures; they weren't and aren't civilization builders. Because if they were, it would've been in evidence all throughout history. Including today.
@takfam07 You're so ignorant its sad. The Somalis have been civilized nearly as long as Egypt and cultured for longer. Nubia had civiulization 300 years BEFORE Egypt. Do the research. Search: Ancient Somali City States. The Dinka and Nuba have never been nomadic. They have no need. The lands they graze their cattle on are lusher than any in Ireland or Texas. The only reason they left lower Nubia is because The Sahara advanced on them. The remaineder THERE became nomads. Dude, stop talking.
@takfam07 And there is evidence of it today. You think because National Geographic doesnt do a special on it that there's no evidence? People have agendas and bosses to answer to, not everything gets covered. You have to find it yourself or talk to people who are knowledgable and can refer you. The sources are credible and the evidence is there, its called historical record (such as the egyptians') and archeology. BTW the BBC DID do a special which included the Nuba link to Nubia.
@747t OK, but perhaps the reason that coverage on the great Nuba and Dinka civilizations don't get priority coverage is because--no disrespect, BTW--they don't warrant it. This isn't an insult. I don't see my great village ancestors in Japan receiving NaGeo front covers. It doesn't bother me. All I'm saying is that the Dinkas and Nubas are agri-pastoral tribal peoples with no centralized government. If they were part of ancient Egypt, it is highly doubtful they were the movers and shakers.
@takfam07 "According to the Ancient Egyptians, the second Egyptian ruling ethnic/class's ancestral homeland was Punt (Somalia). They referred to this land as "Ta Nteru" ('Land of the gods'). To emphasize their Puntite origins, the Egyptians portrayed the Puntites in the exact same manner in which they portrayed themselves. This new ruling ethnic/class called themselves "Mesnitu" ('Metalworkers/blacksmiths'), and was also referred to as "Shemsu Hor" ('Followers of Horus')."
@takfam07 "These Mesnitu had overthrown the original ruling ethnic/class, the Anu (those belonging to Osiris's ethnic group; and yes, Osiris was a real life personage), who had previously established its domination over all of Egypt through military conquest and political unification. Their place of origin was "Ta Seti" ('Land of the Bow') in the Sudan. Gradually tradition would identify both Somalia and the Sudan as "Ta Khent" ('Land of the Beginning' or 'Ancestral land')."
@takfam07 Nobody has a "static culture" and the Egyptians started as nomads themselves. The cult of the cow goddess Hathor goes back further than the civilization. She was one of the most important gods and even appears on the Narmer Palette. Look up Nabta Playa and A group culture, and their effect on Egypt. The Egyptians took their dynastic tradition from the early Nubians. Quit with your evasive tactics and face the facts. I'm the only one providing evidence here you're just EVADING.
@747t Well, I guess "static" is a relative term. Even though that's what most people think when they think of traditional Africa. Leaving aside Egypt (because we'll never agree on their degree of Negritude, or absence thereof). Now, do you think African blacks by now would've developed the magnetic compass, gunpowder, printing, and steam power on their own-- if it weren't introduced by others? How about the water wheel? The barometer? The blast furnace? The mechanical clock? Eyeglasses?
@takfam07 That would be speculation, and pointless. What I can do is show you where African civilization was in comparison to the rest of the world til the time Europeans arrived on their shores. What they invented. THAT's science.That is critical thinking and not baiting people into a pointless speculative argument based on point of view. All of your questions stink of prejudice, and you've ignored all of the facts presented, being whittled down until its clear you have nothing valuable to say.
@747t OK--where was African civilization (minus Egypt) in comparison to the rest of the world "'til the time Europeans arrived on their shore...what they invented"? Because I'm curious to know why they were so easily corruptible (selling millions of their own kind into slavery to Arabs and Europeans), and so easily vanquished? Please google "Tunde Obadina: Slave Trade," or "Obadina: Neocolonialism." You'll find these brief-but-potent online essays useful for our discussion.
@takfam07 The Africans were not "easily vanquished". The Europeans played the friendship card for over 400 years while their technology advanced, population grew, tactics developed, while simulataneously weakening the Africans and gaining various footholds through land bargaining and Alliances. They didn't come in and declare war on everyone willy nilly. They were trading partners, missionaries, diplomats, etc etc. They studied the Africans and gained the continent slowly, one tribe at a time.
@takfam07 "If Cuba...could pursue an independent economic agenda and survive, there is no reason why African nations could not have done the same...it was not in the interest of their rulers to do so and not because they were shackled by neo-colonialism." What a load of shit. This is exactly what Patrice Lumumba and Kwame Nkrumah were ousted for, the former brutally murdered. In order to lay the blame on Africans you must first remove the European or American or Chinese as a player.
@takfam07 Obadina is sorely mistaken in his assertion that modern Africans are playing the blame game when it comes to self determination. Nkrumah and Lumumba were attempting to do just what he says they should or could. Former CIA operatives have confessed to involvement in BOTH of their oustings.
@takfam07 And like I said the Belgian government has also confessed to and apologized for the oust and murder of Lumumba. How do you continue to blame Africans in the face of that?
@takfam07 LOL Blast furnaces??? West Africans independently developed iron smelting by 1200 BC and by 500 BC the Nok culture of Nigeria had INDEPENDENTLY developed bloomeries. Compasses, gunpowder, and printing all came from Asia. Steam power was a result of the Industrial Revolution, a very subjective variable. And if you want to talk about the Ancient Greek "steam engine", the Aeolipile was never used as anything but a "temple wonder", a toy.
@takfam07 Most European "inventions" are refinements of pre-existing technology from Africa and Asia. Civilization itself was late to Europe. By the time the Greeks emerged there had already been civilization on every other populated continent but Australia, even West Africa had civilization before Europe, as far back as 6000 years ago. Stop trying to make up for your deep seeded inferiority complex. Your fact finding and intellectual capacity are at best lacking, and so I bid you adieu.
@747t Ah, so you want to bail before reading Obadina's two illusion-shattering online essays? You want to end the conversation before backing with evidence your bold claim that "most European 'inventions' are refinements of pre-existing technology from Africa and Asia"? Asia I can see, specifically China on a few things like gunpowder, paper, printing, the magnetic compass, etc. But Africa? What pre-existing African technologies did Europeans "refine"?
@takfam07 Get out of here with that shit, you're grasping for straws. I've proven everything I've said. Go and do the research yourself. The Greeks are known for giving vast amounts of credit for their "inventions", philosophy, and knowledge to the Egyptians. This is why you want Egypt so badly - To prove that Africans weren't the fathers of your own civilization. In modern terminology, the Egyptians were black. When it comes to them though you want to change the rules. Get over it, troll.
@747t Negative. A few years ago, scholars Mary Lefkowitz and Frank Snowden (African American professor emeritus of Classics, Howard University) thoroughly investigated Afrocentric claims of Egyptian AND black influence on ancient Greece. Their conclusion was that Greeks came up with their mathematics, logic, democracy, scientific inquiry, and other innovations on their own. Snowden's summary: "The time has come for Afrocentrists to stop falsifying and mythologizing the past."
@takfam07 Richard Poe in “Black Spark, White Fire” argues that the assumption that the ancient Egyptians did not sail across the Mediterranean Sea is a carefully constructed scientific myth. Evidence that the ancient Egyptians did just that is similar to the volume of evidence that the Phoenicians and Minoans sailed that sea. Scientists willingly accept those cultures’ seafaring capability, yet illogically limit the ancient Egyptians’ capability to do the same.
@takfam07 Your purpose is clear: To deny the African capacity for civilization and successful self rule. I don't know your motivations, but more power to ya. I guess everyone needs a hobby. Words like Negritude, nice touch. I also saw your comment on another video attacking Africa's vast genetic diversity as a barrier factor to civilization capacity. Nice touch. At least you're not calling us inbred anymore, right? Look dude, you're clearly on a mission, and wish to dehumanize us. I'm done here.
@747t No, my purpose is simply to help untangle the web of Afrocentric myth-making and to defend academic standards. Afrocentrism is nothing but politically motivated fantasy which blatantly contradicts historical evidence. The tragedy is that Afrocentrism strengthens blacks' sense of oppositionality and resentment toward what they consider "whitewashed" history. But blacks suffer most, as they grow even more distanced from a truth-driven, objective, evidence-based understanding of history.
@takfam07 That may be a noble cause if you were to approach if from an angle that doesn't deny us what we actually have accomplished. By saying that we are incapable of civilizing ourselved you're not going to earn many listeners, or much respect. You only lose all credibility. Africans had civilizations. The Nubian Kingdom was established before Egypt. That much is accepted by even the mainstream. What you're trying to say is not only offensive, its simply not true. If you care about us,show it
@747t And do understand, I'm not trying to "dehumanize" blacks. No, that's the job of Afrocentrism and entitlement-based "slave" thinking. Instead, I'm trying to "humanize" blacks by goading them to think correctly on history, on their present, culture, and to focus on the right things so their race can get out from the socioeconomic bottom. Because like everyone else, I'm tired of hearing blacks complain, make excuses, while perpetuating their culturally maladaptive ways--and with impunity.
@takfam07 You have knowledge, that much is clear - but Harvard doesn't mean shit to me. Harvard isn't going to have much information that's not already accepted in circulation, if even by their own doing. Harvard is an educational institution. Their goal is to educate, not inform. Educe is the root of Educate. To Educe means "to bring out". Clearly Harvard has done nothing but bring out the bigot in you. As long as you disrespect my people and our experience you can kiss my ass.
@747t Funny you say that, because at Harvard my graduate work focused on Postcolonial Studies. I studied African and AfroAm History (with Gates, West and William Julius Wilson), and also minority cultures in general. Believe it or not, I developed a small reputation for hiring (almost exclusively) African undergraduates for my research. So I worked closely with the most brilliant young minds recruited out of Africa. Plus, I traveled through sub-Saharan Africa twice on research grants.
@takfam07 If your goal is to "help" us you're going about it wrong. Change your tune or add to the global chorus of "white noise" that makes our lives miserable and makes us hate you. It has not been long since oppression of blacks was the law, and the noise has never died. The noise is constant, and it is maddening. Much of the dysfunction of African Americans is a direct result of being inundated with crap from whites and others. Proof? Compare African Immigrants education achievement to ours.
@747t Perhaps non-black frustration is the result of 50 years of redemptive coddling of blacks as the predominant cultural theme in the US--whether through welfare, affirmative action, or manufactured representation. And all we see in response is black rage, insolence, disrespect, underachievement, entitlement, criminality and violence. And yet this total "taboo" against anyone--white or black--ever addressing the obvious black cultural dysfunctionalities, without instantly becoming a pariah.
@takfam07 Once again you're spewing bullshit. This country has never coddled us. It's held one hand while putting the other through a meat grinder. Have you ever heard of Ronald Reagan and the "Welfare Queen"? That was in the 80's, when he used that fictitious character to swindle the whole country out of education and social service funding. In the 70's they were disembowling the remnants of the civil rights and black power movements. In the 60's were the dogs and firehoses.
@takfam07 In the 50's we couldnt even go to the same schools. I don't think I need mention sheriffs presiding over lynchings. You guys have never given up. You're always bitching and moaning about the oppression of the white man and the stink blacks put in your nose. You've NEVER let up on kicking us around and terrorizing and brutalizing us. You're so full of shit. Just stop it. STOP IT. Like I said you didn't learn shit at Harvard but how to puff up your own ego and justify racism. Fuck you
@747t See--again the insolent, emotionally hostile black response, the kind that only holds them back as a race. I have news for you-- I'm probably less white than you. I'm 100% East Asian. So I know firsthand, as does my family (WWII internment), how racist white America can be. But Asians followed the Booker T. model for minority success, without even knowing it. Blacks should have followed him as well--but they didn't. Big mistake. They call him "Uncle Tom" instead. Their loss.
@takfam07 Was that supposed to surprise me? I'm no stranger to the attitudes of East Asians toward blacks. Its often worse than that of whites. Get off your high horse and admit you dont know shit about what it means to be black. Not for one day.
@747t The problem is not whether I (an East Asian) know what it means to be black. The problem is that blacks don't know how to transcend their blackness. And those maladaptive cultural memes developed during slavery have never left the black culture. Those memes were once useful in preserving dignity during a long period of dehumanization. But in the context of freedom, they are PRECISELY the wrong values and behaviors. The best thing blacks could possibly do is learn from Asians.
@takfam07 What the FUCK are we supposed to learn from YOU? LMAO. You weren't slaves. The Japanese even got reparations for their internment, anf the Chinese worker population has long been blended with fresh immigrants from China. Neither country was colonized, and you didn't endure 400 years of dehumanization. No, the best thing we can do is follow the example of the recent African immigrants. At least the LOOK like us. Nevermind that theyre the new Model minority. SUCKS TO BE YOU.
@747t "What the FUCK are we supposed to learn from YOU?" Well, let's take a look at some official US Census stats:
Average Household Income by Race, 2008:
Asians-$65,637
Whites-$52,312
Hispanics-$37,913
Blacks-$34,218
In 2007, Blacks were 12.6% of US population, Asians 4.8%. Blacks owned 1.9 million businesses, Asians owned 1.6 million. HOWEVER: black businesses generated $98.9 billion in gross revenues, Asian businesses generated $461.3 billion. THAT'S what blacks can learn from us.
@takfam07 Should I go into how all the vietnamese guys I knew in high school sold weed? How about how one broke into my house along with a 3 black guys and held me at shotgun point? What about my Japanese exchange student friend who talks shit about his parents all day and blows the money they send him at the strip club. He hates them because they didnt lease him a car while he was here. OHHH NO. By the way he also hates asians. And why do you guys change your names when you come here???
@takfam07 All the knowledge in the world still won't help you understand us, because you cant BE us. You ignore the obvious aggressions toward us because you prefer to see our aggression. A human in a cage is going to react the same as an animal. Its a survival mechanism and its being used against us to justify our further demise.
@747t Idiot, no one wants to see blacks' demise! Most of us want to see blacks RISE. But we see them trapped and imprisoned by their own thinking. Yes, this damage is a result of years of oppression. But nonetheless the maladaptive cultural behaviors remain. Blacks must regroup and undertake some serious changes in their culture. A little adjustment would go a LONG way. But--as deplorable as it might sound--blacks actually have to HUMBLE themselves in order to receive this message.
@takfam07 You got it right, humble OURSELVES. You talking shit to us to "goad" us is not going to do that. It just blends in with all the other shit we take and gives us high blood pressure that fucks up our arteries and makes us die early! You've made the first ALMOST sensible comment about blacks yet. The catch, its OUR problem, NOT YOURS. If you do want to help, however, show some goddamn respect. And most African Americans don't know African history. They don't know what they were before.
@takfam07 There is a growing recognition of African immigrants as the new model minority and the highest academically achieving ethnic group. How is this possible if all Africans are stuck in the same slave mentality, and modern society has nothing to do with it? Why are African Americans the lowest, and Africans the highest achievers?
@takfam07 So why do you stoop to the level of suggesting that our genes are incompatible with civilization? You can't be ignorant of African achievements with that level of scholarship. And you can't be serious about the gene thing.
@747t Of course I don't think it's genetic. I was at Harvard when Herrnstein & Murray released "The Bell Curve"--the institution-wide reaction was amazing. Harvard is much more liberal than you think. Also, despite the consistency of results in racial intelligence-based testing, I firmly believe that it's cultural and environmental, not genetic. I merely say it to goad blacks to react. But this should cause blacks to study harder, not plunge further into dogmatic Afrocentric fantasy.
@takfam07 Why don't you check out the video (you might find it on the right-->) about African Binary Mathematics. Also check out the Ishango Bone, the world's first known mathematical tool, found in the Congo. How about a drum language that relayed messages across the empires of West Africa, the largest being the size of the continental U.S. It was also why African drums were outlawed during slavery in the U.S. - They were used to successfully organize rebellion and issue battle commands.
@takfam07 Sorry, that should be in quotes. Also "Still, there is powerful evidence to show that the Egyptians did venture beyond the Nile. It is also known that they possessed a large fleet. And Thor Heyerdahl showed that even their “primitive boats” were able to master the currents of the oceans – thus very well equipped to master the much calmer waters of the Mediterranean Sea. "
Mary Lefkowitz is a joke. Plato and Pythagoras were both scholars in Egypt and even give the names of their teachers. They came back to be the "founders" of Greek Math and Philosophy. Plato himself spent 13 years in Egypt. Democritus also spent 5 years in Egypt studying under the priests. Quit wasting my time. Sharpen your fangs somewhere else. Admit that you're a racist and seek help.
@747t If Plato and Pythagoras gained their knowledge from Egypt, where are the parallels? Where are the correspondences? I studied Classics at Harvard University under noted scholars like Greg Nagy, David Mitten and Zeph Stewart. As a graduate student in the 1990s I traveled to Greece and Egypt with Harvard researchers. There's rarely a mention of Egyptian influence on Classical Greece, either by Harvard profs, nor by the Greek and Egyptian scholars we worked with in those countries.
@747t I take that back. I myself wrote two very well-received papers at Harvard: one on the "Tyrannicide Statues of the Athenian Agora," and the other on the "Kritios Boy." At the time, I couldn't help notice that the late-Archaic Greek sculptors took their cues from Egyptian standing statues. But the slight hip displacement was the revolutionary shift the Greeks came up with to make their statues come alive. So OK, even I was enthralled by the probable Egypt-Greek continuity in art.
@takfam07 The essays by Obadina lay the blame for Africa's condition on Africans not ruling wisely. Can we agree on that? Or tell me what the purpose was. Its off topic so I'm not entirely sure. My knowledge on the slave trade era is lacking, but I will agree that African leaders used it as a chance to get rich and get rid of political rivals, weak rival tribes in their kingdoms, etc. They were out for themselves and didn't see much threat from Europe. They were powerful in their own right.
@takfam07 Your purpose is clear: To deny the African capacity for civilization and successful self rule. Cool Hobby.Words like Negritude are a nice touch. I also saw your comment on another video attacking Africa's vast genetic diversity as a barrier factor to civilization capacity. At least you're not calling us inbred anymore, right? Look dude, you're clearly on a mission, and wish to thoroughly dehumanize us. Judging from your profile its not going to stop anytime soon, no matter what I say.
@takfam07 Why should we humble ourselves when most don't even know our own history beyond shackles? I met a girl at my college that told me she JUST found out she was descended from Africans. She said last year if I had asked her where her homeland was she would have said "Detroit". Not even Alabama or South Carolina but Detroit?!?! The education is the first step. Humility will come with knowledge, once we don't have to rely on knee jerk defenses.
@747t How can blacks not know their history, when every school curriculum in the country covers "black history" ad nauseum? To the exclusion of (excuse me) other equally worthy subjects? Shit, if blacks students were paying attention, they'd know. I'd bet anything Asian students would score higher on a national exam about black history--than blacks themselves. And the irony is, us Asians don't know OUR OWN history, either. But we feel it doesn't matter. We will learn it later.
@takfam07 Every school in the country shows a trivial amount of African AMERICAN history (usually during February) which is all about struggle. It gets tiring. We feel trapped, like we've always been under someone's foot. It becomes a reminder of how irrelevant we are. No, I'm talking about African history. The only exposure to anything African I had in grade school was about Egypt (not considered to be or treated as African), wild animals and remote tribes with strange dress and practices.
Cleopatra's grandfather was Ptolome, a Greek governor. That's fact.
MarvinRashadTV 3 days ago
If you look at history the North Africans were most likely mixed. If you look at the Pangean theory then at one time Africa was even connected to Europe.
grtwht5 1 week ago
@dogon2k12 what do you know about the ivory coast secret society script at 5:40???
dfg93353 1 week ago
@chukwuemeka23456
You consider making a factual observation 'hate'?
Grow a brain and finish the secon grade loser!
nakedscrewmonkey 2 weeks ago
@nakedscrewmonkey don't hate!!!!! O.O
chukwuemeka23456 2 weeks ago
NOT if & until we find the remains of Cleopatra VII herself can we determine if she was fully Caucasoid or of partial native Egyptian ancestry, a biracial people w. sub-Saharan African & white Mideastern blood. Not until we can determine that the supposed “sister” of said Cleopatra was indeed her sibling, & a whole one at that & not merely a half, as the Macedonian Ptolemaidae were polygamists, can we do this. Until then we have to rely on the historic evidence & proclaim her a white European.
darrinmagnus1 3 weeks ago
@TheHIETTz Bros lets be honest,we call ourselves niggaz to differentiate from you non-logical creatures.We now have a epidemic with a lot of white kids saying "nigga". We won't forget slavery (slavery civilized the human-beast) so we use nigga as a reminder of our people. u white kids now feel left out..you guys r great infiltrators (rocknroll/Elvis Hiphop/Eminem).u'll rewrite the history and say eminem is the greatest while we has a whole know eminem can't flow or shit.u hijacking r culture.
m4cklove 3 weeks ago
FYI, there was no racism before 1500 a.d. The beauty of Africans (esp Nubia) was revered world-wide. Nubia (couple hundred miles upriver) was a greater kingdom than that of Egypt and Egyptian royalty was happy to have them mix into their bloodline.
NaiveCynical 1 month ago
@NaiveCynical IDIOT THE EGYPTIANS AND THE NUBIANS ARE THE SAME PEOPLE
thevillain091 5 days ago
@thevillain091 They are not. Different cultures, different people. However, they are both Black African people. Apparently the Egyptians were a light-skinned African.
NaiveCynical 5 days ago
@NaiveCynical The ancient Egyptians and the Nubians are of the same origin. 2009 studies have shown that Nubians are the closest people ethnically to ancient Egyptians. You can google it for yourself. And there culture are very similar they had the same rituals, deities, pyramid & masonry techniques. 1 Nile Vally Culture that spread throughout Africa, all Africans are descendants of the Nile.
HeruTutuankoma 4 days ago
@NaiveCynical U IDIOT THE EGYPTIANS ADOPTED THE SAME CULTURES FROM NUBIA AND ETHIOPIA
thevillain091 1 day ago
@ErikandAndreea Maybe it was built in China and carried by large army ants into Africa.Then it moved to australia by boat by europeans.Blond haired blue eyed europeans.But wait then the Blacks moved to europe and built stonehenge.Then wait...wait ..then the chinese took over egypt..grasping at straws fool, you're just grasping at straws
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RedMeatForDogs 1 month ago
black people need to get over their obsession with trying to matter to whites, get over it.
if u need to truly understand the situation, next time u see one visualize them as a demon in a nazi uniform (DINU), that should clear your mind up right away.
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@TheHIETTz No, you see the thing is, white people have for hundreds of years kept from black people the inheritance of their own history. Black history matters to Black people. You all can do what you want to with your knowledge. I suggest abstaining from ignorance. Ignorance makes you all violent.
NaiveCynical 1 month ago
@NaiveCynical no, being around the devil and thinking that they are humans as they poison kill, ritually murder, hound harass, beat, starve and "police" flood your neighborhoods with cheap drugs, invent epidemics, and create viruses to specifically target the wombs of your women, gang stalk, monitor, destroy any organization you create to help yourself as a federal mandate, kill your leaders, bombing homes and churches, gonna go with DINU
the starvation and flooding drugs and guns = violent
TheHIETTz 1 month ago
@NaiveCynical too many federal official have officially and unofficially said it is to destroy us, or gone out of their way to deny the above mentioned as an ongoing program to degrade and bring low "us people".
we need to get the fuck away from you evil ass mother fuckers. and i know i know, as soon as we go to africa u people will just have the CIA do to us what u did to liberia, and everywhere else in africa as nixon put it "we cannot allow the rise of an african state"
... nice user name
TheHIETTz 1 month ago
@NaiveCynical DINU clears everything up in an instant, instead of trying so hard to see these people as human, you see them for their consistent actions.
when u see DINU u know exactly how to act
u see this NWO crap isn't new to blacks, welcome to our world.
TheHIETTz 1 month ago
@TheHIETTz Demon in a Nazi Uniform... O_o Well, it's certainly true that blacks shouldn't count on partnerships with them, but all ties cannot be severed. You have to realize still, that not everyone is involved in the organization pitted against blacks. They are very organized and they have their orders, but connections should still be attempted. Keep your enemies close.
I am happy to see that China and SAmerica are reaching out to Africa. White nations are too manipulative and shady.
NaiveCynical 1 month ago
@NaiveCynical but that is the point, with the visualization, all mysteries are cleared up. and u do not do stupid shit like sending your kids to their schools, you do not leave your kids in their care. then wonder why they are all screwed up when they are done with them. there will be no mystery to why you did not get the job, or why you can only go so far. you say oh, ok then, and move on. you start organizing accordingly because you are up against a military force.
TheHIETTz 4 weeks ago
@NaiveCynical true, their indifference to africa is less than the west, but there are a lot of dynamics to consider before believeing that china and s. america dont play the same game as the west.they do.they learnt their lesson.exploit or be exploited.china has become the exploiter and exploited all in one.the west is addicted to having their own game played back to them by COMMUNISTS.the master is now the student,vice versa.you can call it the 'grasshoppering' of the west.
ohmphthschwrhu 2 weeks ago
@ohmphthschwrhu I would like to remain a little naive and think that there's some people out there not corrupted by greed... If there's any hope at all, it's the quasi-non-capitalists in China. China promises not to make any policy demands in their partnerships with African nations :D Hopefully they will grow Hemp which will skyrocket their economy like it did for European nations. It's easy to grow and it's number of uses are amazing.
NaiveCynical 2 weeks ago
@NaiveCynical good that you do ,being too cynical is too destructive to digest....also ...dont believe china...also.......WARNING! WILL ROBINSON WARNING!pleeease dont remind china of how they gave their gold to the britts for one more hit of that afghan opium which the britts sold them.also china took tibet to tell india 'conquer to the west and northwest or we'll bring our might barreling down the 'hemp'malayans' on you'.scuse my arrogance.'.i hope we recall how to build the pyramids by then.
ohmphthschwrhu 2 weeks ago
@ErikandAndreea XD OMG!!!
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"UNESCO convened the "Symposium on the Peopling of Ancient Egypt and the Deciphering of the Meroitic Script" in Cairo in 1974. At that forum the "Black Egyptian" theory was rejected by 90% of delegates, and the symposium concluded that Ancient Egyptians were much the same as modern Egyptians."
90%!!!!
EuroCivilization 1 month ago
Egyptians regardless of skin tone are Egyptians, the natives since the pharaohs time still do exist. Have you heard much about Coptic Orthodox Egyptians? Coptic meaning Egyptians is a pharoanic word and is the language of the Pharaohs legacy
Google Coptic language Coptic people They are not Arabian at all, they speak Arabic only due to the influence of arabs coming to the country, People who speak English does not make everyone British, visit Egypt and learn. Africa is a continent of diversity.
neotokyomedia 1 month ago
simple as this... there are plenty of people around the world especially in the carribeans and island people that posess the name cleopatra, even miss cleo, the notorious television psychic.... no where have i came across a white bitch anywhere with such a name.....amber samantha and becky, does not give you cleo....
mrmelanite 1 month ago
I read that wrong but anyway the onclusion is that these remains aren't Arsinoe, that is the point I was trying to get across.
stretch4859 1 month ago
Just read about the findings of that program Cleopatra Portrait of a Killer, when they carbon dated the bones of the skeletal remains the female would have been too young to have been Arsinoe, she was killed in 41 bce, and these bone dated back to 68 bce to 62 bce so if this were in fact Arsinoe like the program suggests she woud have been aroud 8 to 14 years when Arsinoe raised an uprising against Julius Caesar, so in otherwords this was not Arsinoe.
stretch4859 1 month ago
@RandomChanell1333 Huh? except that they are? I don't understand what you mean. If you are referring to Nordic Whites not being native to Norway, then you should read a book. This is common knowledge in Norway.
emergencyexit16 1 month ago
I liked the video except the end. The sami tribe were originally more asiatic than europeans. White europeans are not native to Norway.
emergencyexit16 1 month ago
love this vid thanks a lot
SandrineSoprano 1 month ago
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King Tut Unwrapped (Discovery Channel) showed the DNA of King Tut's mother. (D13S317 =12, D7S820 = 10, D2S1338 = 16, D21S11 = 29, D16S539 = 8, D18S51 = 19. These Markers Are African. The information that DNA Tribes published came from the DISCOVERY CHANNEL.
MsHoneyMellon100 1 month ago
3. ARSINOE was only a HALF SISTER to CLEOPATRA. They had the same father BUT DIFFEENT MOTHERS.
4. CLEOPATRA'S OWN ANCESTORS were GREEK MACEDONIAN in ORIGIN !
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@NECHOII there are no NEANDERTHAL BONES IN NORTH AFRICA!! None WHATSOEVER!! That's the prime reasoning. Theres ur proof all native africans dnt have any neanderthal in them But MODERN EGYPTIANS DOI and theres no bones inside africa but there ar bones outside like in Europe, Asia and every where else FACT hahahahahaha
eazydee415 1 month ago
UPDATE :
The skeleton of a female found in a tomb at EPHESUS, TURKEY is NOT that of CLEOPATRA'S half sister PRINCESS ARSINOE because :
1. The female skeleton was aged between 15 - 20 years of age when she died. ARSINOE would have been in her 30's when she was murdered by CLEOPATRA.
2. The shape of the ( now missing ) skull is NO INDICATOR OF A PERSON'S RACE.
NECHOII 1 month ago
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This must be a OLD post...DNA on King Tut..and all the Mummy's show no black at all..not even a mix...That fight is over already ...
JCDennis62 2 months ago
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there are no NEANDERTHAL BONES IN NORTH AFRICA!! None WHATSOEVER!! That's the prime reasoning. Theres ur proof all native africans dnt have any neanderthal in them But MODERN EGYPTIANS DOI and theres no bones inside africa but there ar bones outside like in Europe, Asia and every where else FACT hahahahahaha
eazydee415 2 months ago
Great video! Love the ending.
brownhornet71 2 months ago
Arsinoe was half sister of Cleopatra's and is beyond dought that the skeleton belongs to Arsinoe, Niggers
Macedonia475 2 months ago
@Macedonia475 your lack of education deems you unworthy of any sort of debate, your spelling also sucks. :-/ niggers?// you are a small man with small thoughts. good luck in life, you need it.
vetb882 2 months ago
@Macedonia475 I see why you got all racial, the video was fine until the end where he seemed to be poking fun at other races, unnecessary at best. Non race is better than the other, all have strengths and weaknesses. Is a german shepard better than a pitbulll or a doberman pinscher? different forms of the same species, same as with humans. none better, just different.
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Macedonia475 2 months ago
Hilke Thuer has discovered the slkeleton of Arsionoe, Cleopatras sister.. it reveals that Cleopatras mother was infact Black, therefore making her MIXED RACE. It is outlandish that this woman was white., and a 10,000yr long peoples were all white. IN AFRICA Phwahahahaha clowns.
DEFACTO9 2 months ago
@DEFACTO9 Arsinoe was Cleopatra's half sister, historians don't have a clue to what Cleopatra's mothers race was, Cleopatra and Arsinoe had the same father who was Greek and different mothers
stretch4859 1 month ago
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Melanin responsible for skin pigmentation, is insoluble & is preserved for millions of years in Mummies skins. Although the epidermis is the main site of the melanin, the melanocytes
penetrating the derm at the boundary between it and the epidermis, even where
the latter has mostly been destroyed by the embalming materials, show a melanin
level which is non-existent in the white-skinned races.
thus classifying the ancient Egyptians unquestionably among the black races.
Cheikh Anta Diop
DEFACTO9 2 months ago
Shup up Nigers!
Macedonia475 2 months ago
Portraying egyptians of that era as cray-white people is misinformation. It's a known fact that Hollywood is known to fuck up history for entertainment : no need to make a mocking , laughin vid about that to point out the obvious. Egyptians of today don't even look like egyptians from 4000 years ago. Halle Berry is too white to portray anyone from that area and from that era imo. Even Jesus is portrayed as caucasian by Hollywood which is total crap. This vid stinks of mockery.
Robineux99 2 months ago
@Robineux99 True, Hollywood is known for its historical inaccuracies. Halle Berry is not fit for any Egyptian portrayal because she has no Egyptian roots in the first place.
Jesus Caucasian? Of course he was a Caucasian? Jews especially those living in Galilee are Caucasians.
SloveintzWend 2 months ago
@SloveintzWend
What I meant is that while he was not negro type he was certainly not snow-white blondie either. just a darker complexion than what we are used to see.
Robineux99 2 months ago
@Robineux99 this is correct. feet of 'bronze"
vetb882 2 months ago
@SloveintzWend they are NOT, they are of middle east ancestry and middle east people look nothing like white europeans. nice try... hair, nose, facial features and eye color are all darker, not light with blue eyes etc.
vetb882 2 months ago
@vetb882 What are they NOT? Caucasians? Do you even know what Caucasian is? European does not equal Caucasian however Europeans are part of Caucasians.
White/black is a social label, it has nothing to do with this.
SloveintzWend 2 months ago
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@SloveintzWend King Tut Unwrapped (Discovery Channel) showed the DNA of King Tut's mother. (D13S317 =12, D7S820 = 10, D2S1338 = 16, D21S11 = 29, D16S539 = 8, D18S51 = 19. These Markers Are African. The information that DNA Tribes published came from the DISCOVERY CHANNEL.
MsHoneyMellon100 1 month ago
mixed girl
CALLWILLIE100 2 months ago
@GreekCleopatraVII no shouting on my post!!! NEXT time you will be banned if I see such disrespect on my post!!!
I suggest you show more civility and respect to others on this post.
The next time I see such nonsense you will be BLOCKED and put on my SH$^& list!!
Thanks for obeying my rules!!!
dogons2k12 2 months ago
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GreekCleopatraVII 2 months ago
@downbrownintown Did I ask you a question Arab?
RobertsDigital 2 months ago
@downbrownintown i stand corrected. Egyptian artifacts have been found in west Africa. dating back 1000 bc. so there is evidence of a trans-African trade route going back at least that far.
kingzula 2 months ago
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FOR THE RECORD CLEOPATRA WAS BLACK LIKE TYRA B . remains of the queen’s sister Princess Arsinoe, found in Ephesus, Turkey, indicate that her Mother had an “African” skeleton.
Experts have described the results as “a real sensation.”
The discovery was made by Hilke Thuer of the Austrian Academy of Sciences.
That Arsinoe had an African mother is a real sensation. ISNT IT.. BECAUSE IT SHOCKS WHITES.. NO BLACK PERSON IS SURPRISED BECAUSE WE NEVER BELIEVED AN AFRICAN PLACE RULED BY AN OUTSIDER. LOL
Raybanmonster 2 months ago
Tenkamenin even sounds Egyptian in my OPNION! There is a Ka, Kem/Khem men=menes just my opinion.
mansamusa2012 2 months ago
I love this vids alot
IysisOlivianna 3 months ago
Well the devil is a liar!
How many others have they white-washed. They have to be the most pathetic beings on the face of the earth.
You'd have to feel incredibly inferior in order to distort & wipe out the history of entire peoples.
Only evil could do such a thing...it's sick!
BlackSapphire8804 3 months ago
hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaha the truth stings does it nice vid. in the face.
MsCosmicstar 3 months ago
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GreekCleopatraVII 3 months ago
@downbrownintown their are west African civilizations that are older that influence Africa also. don't give east Africans all the credit lol!!!!
kingzula 3 months ago
@downbrownintown actually there is evidence that the ancient Egyptians have a central African influence. in recent yrs several mummies with similar styles the Egypt,have been found in central Africa. also pottery with Egyptian style markings and similarities have been found. both have been dated older than Egypt's. when the Sahara started to expand these central Africans were forced into the Nile regions. they brought there culture with them and influenced both Nubian and Egyptian culture.
kingzula 3 months ago
@kingzula You guys should stop flaunting information without sources. SOURCES are very important if you are going to claim that Ancient Egyptian artifacts were found in Central Africa. I NEED SOURCES ... NOT FANTASY!!!
You guys give some good information but without SOURCES your information is useless:)
Could you provide sources to your findings above?!?!
dogons2k12 3 months ago
@dogons2k12 dont put words in my mouth!!! i said that mummies and artifacts that were a similar style but older was found in central Africa(in the Chad-Libya region). Google "mystery of the black mummy".i did not say it was Egyptian. if they were older they couldn't be Egyptian. i said the styles were similar.
kingzula 3 months ago
While Cleopatra had an African mother,I am not that impressed with her,give me the Meroitic Queen Amanishekhato those forces attacked the Roman territory at Aswan. They sacked Thebes and defeated the Roman garrison there. Strabo reported that the Kushite Queen "enslaved the inhabitants, and threw down the statues of Caesar. archeological work uncovered a statue of Caesar at Meroe buried under the entrance floor of a temple at Meroe to be trampled on for all times,She was a true queen.
spider879 3 months ago 3
@spider879 Thanks!!!
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dogons2k12 3 months ago
@dogons2k12 Great thanks for the list I'll post it over at ESR
Nuff Respect.
spider879 3 months ago
@dogons2k12 WHY DID THESE STUPID MOORS GO TO EURPE AND EDUCATE THESE DEMONS ABOUT EVERYTHING THEY KNOW. THE WORLD WOULD BE A BETTER PLACE BY NOW. THE MOORS WERE THE DOWNFALL OF AFRICA .
thevillain091 3 months ago
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RobertsDigital 3 months ago
@dogons2k12 the moors were the people who destryed africa and brought islam to africa....they started the slave trade on black africans sending them across the atlantic by forming an alliance with white people. Many Africans who were sent to the middle east were castrated into eunochs to be non productive. The teaching of the islamic slave trade on black africans is always avoided. They desired white blonde headed blue eyed white females as a result of their white slavery
RobertsDigital 3 months ago
@spider879 Thank you I was trying to figure out the name of the nubian queen who fought the romans for years
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amen. not impressed by a woman that sleeps with the enemy TWICE, kills off her family and still loses the land.
XNakisisaX 2 months ago
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@spider879 he 8 LOCI's that we are talking about, come from the YOUNG LADY that was found next to King Tut's Grandmother (Tut's Mother). This is what the Discovery Channel Posted: (D13S317 =12, D7S820 = 10, D2S1338 = 16, D21S11 = 29, D16S539 = 8, D18S51 = 19. These Markers Are African. Stop talking about DNA Tribes and GOOGLE: King Tut Unwrapped: Maternal. The evidence cam out in December of 2011. King Tut is African. Get over i t @phoenician7
DogMeatForTheDogs 1 month ago
@spider879 you need to look up the history of the Ptolemies which Cleopatra was a member of that family she is of Greek origin and there are archaeologists that suggest that Cleopatra's mother was Greek or Persian and Arsinoe is her half sister they had the same father but different mothers, the BBC Cleopatra: Portrait of a Killer they didn't even have the actual skull of Arsinoe, so you can take that with a grain of salt no proof at all.
stretch4859 1 month ago
@stretch4859 GREEK RULED WAS OVER WHEN CLEO WAS BORN THE ROMANS WAS RULING THEN . SHE WAS GREEK AND BLACK HER MOTHER WAS A NUBIAN
thevillain091 1 month ago
@thevillain091 Historians don't know what race Cleopatra's mother was her father was Greek and her half sister was Arsinoe, but if the archaeological find is indeed Arsinoe then it does show that the Greeks did intermingle with Africans in Egypt.
stretch4859 1 month ago
@stretch4859 DUMMY THE HISTORY CHANNEL SAID HER MOTHER IS BLACK. AND THE GREEKS WEREN'T RULING AT THAT TIME THE ROMANS WERE
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@thevillain091 I have just about all the latest books written on Cleopatra and there was no mention of Cleopatra's mother being black like I said historians don' really know what race Cleopatra's mother is or in those books it would have said that she is black, even the History Channel can be wrong on some thing where history is concern, no human being is perfect in thinking or otherwise except for God.
stretch4859 1 month ago
@thevillain091 IF SHE WASNT RULER WHY HER CARTOUCHES WASN'T EMPTY. GREEK, ROMAN .CARTOUCHES WAS EMPTY BECAUSE THE REAL EGYPTIANS SHOWED THEN NO RESPECT AS RULERS. CLEOPATRA CARTOUCH WAS FILLED BECAUSE SHE WAS A REAL AFRICAN. ONLY AFRICANS CAN RULE AFRICA. HISTORY CHANNEL SHOWED REAL DNA EVIDENCE ANDARISNOE BONES
thevillain091 1 month ago
@thevillain091 And also if you google what race was Cleopatra's mother it will say that historians don't know the heritage of Cleopatra's mother or even paternal grand mother, if they ever find the skeletal remains of Cleopatra then and only hen will we know for certain what the other half of Cleopatra's race was.if that be black or whatever it doesn't matter to me. But I tend to believe experts in Egyptology than what I hear on television
stretch4859 1 month ago
@downbrownintown well i do agree that arabs did not build Timbuktu. once again may i ask what your ethnicity is??
kingzula 3 months ago
@downbrownintown before i answer the question may i ask were your family is originally from?? also can you give me the links were i can find this information.
kingzula 3 months ago
@downbrownintown no thats not what happened
kingzula 3 months ago
ok, ok, ok if I want to study something like this documentary, that will be anthropology, archeaology, or what? I know archeology and historians are totally out of jobs, but African archeology, it is paying? is somebody financing to rediscover Africa archeology? I want to study that but there is no jobs.
936justme 4 months ago
ever black person in this lifetime has been royalty once in there past life
mzstressfree1 4 months ago
african greek, they still don't give us credit
mzstressfree1 4 months ago
europeans lie. they try to say they are the only ones that had a civilization when really they have never risen above their original warlike barbarian states. African had PLENTY of great civilizations with great achievements that still exist as well as African ingenuity. Why do you think the imported slaves from Africa, many of the people enslaved were skilled workers. In South Carolina the euros couldnt even figure out what to do with the land but ghanains cultivated rice there
2Baiforev 4 months ago
Killed Arsinoe IV, brought to the familly by Egyptian to destroy Alexsandria
GreekCleopatraVII 4 months ago
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GreekCleopatraVII 4 months ago 4
You guys are all ridiculous, in one video you clam that Egyptians were as black as people from Barbados, and that the nonblack was mixed into them when the Hyksos came, and then you claim Cleopatra was black, when she was a Macedonian Greek. For that to be true the Macedonians would have had to have been black by your standars. BAsically, you guys pick up and throw away rules as long as they suit your main thesis: ALL EGYPTIANS WERE BLACK AND YOU ARE THEIR CULTURAL AND GENETIC INHERITORS.
tripleleo 4 months ago
@tripleleo I don't think anyone said "all egyptians were black". There have always been immigrants, invaders and mixture in the world's greatest civilizations. There were trade colonies in Egypt from various parts of the ancient world, that much is undeniable. What is also undeniable is that the base of the Egyptian population and their origin was black Africans. The Egyptians themselves said this in their writings. There are whites in most African countries today, but they are black countries.
747t 4 months ago
@747t Can you cite a source confirming that Egyptians described themselves as black? Because all I've come across thus far is that Egyptians distinguished themselves from "black Nubians."
takfam07 4 months ago
@takfam07 I never said the Egyptians describe themselves as black. The Greeks do, however. The Egyptians described themselves relative to their neighbors, which were the Nubians, and yes they distinguish themselves. Have you ever seen the Nuba people? Dinkas? The modern Nubians are mixed with Arabs, and are the best approximation of what the Ancient Egyptians looked like. The Dinka and Nuba WERE the Nubians, only they didnt mix later. The Egyptians describe ORIGINATING in the south. Get it????
747t 4 months ago
@747t The Greeks of record visited Egypt centuries after the greatest Dynasties had passed. So what they encountered were intermittent peoples who temporarily took control Egypt, including Nubians. And if ancient Egyptians distinguished themselves from Nubians, why would Nubian-Arab mixes approximate what the Egyptians looked like? And Egyptians might've originated in the "south"--don't we all originate from East Africa?--this doesn't mean that those indigenous types created the Dynasties.
takfam07 4 months ago
@takfam07 The Nuba and the Dinkas by the way are the blackest people on the earth! Of course the Egyptians didn't look black next to them They didnt have our modern notion of "blackness". They do say though that their origin is the land of Punt, which still exists in Somalia. This would also explain their strong resemblance to modern day Somalians. We can't post links still on here so Google this: "Egypt Punt Homeland" and any other variations. There is an abundance of sources.
747t 4 months ago
@747t Nuba and Dinkas? Somalis? You're describing pastoral, nomadic peoples. These peoples were tribal nomadic herders before, during and after Egypt. They have static cultures; they weren't and aren't civilization builders. Because if they were, it would've been in evidence all throughout history. Including today.
takfam07 4 months ago
@takfam07 You're so ignorant its sad. The Somalis have been civilized nearly as long as Egypt and cultured for longer. Nubia had civiulization 300 years BEFORE Egypt. Do the research. Search: Ancient Somali City States. The Dinka and Nuba have never been nomadic. They have no need. The lands they graze their cattle on are lusher than any in Ireland or Texas. The only reason they left lower Nubia is because The Sahara advanced on them. The remaineder THERE became nomads. Dude, stop talking.
747t 4 months ago
@takfam07 And there is evidence of it today. You think because National Geographic doesnt do a special on it that there's no evidence? People have agendas and bosses to answer to, not everything gets covered. You have to find it yourself or talk to people who are knowledgable and can refer you. The sources are credible and the evidence is there, its called historical record (such as the egyptians') and archeology. BTW the BBC DID do a special which included the Nuba link to Nubia.
747t 4 months ago
@747t OK, but perhaps the reason that coverage on the great Nuba and Dinka civilizations don't get priority coverage is because--no disrespect, BTW--they don't warrant it. This isn't an insult. I don't see my great village ancestors in Japan receiving NaGeo front covers. It doesn't bother me. All I'm saying is that the Dinkas and Nubas are agri-pastoral tribal peoples with no centralized government. If they were part of ancient Egypt, it is highly doubtful they were the movers and shakers.
takfam07 4 months ago
@takfam07 "According to the Ancient Egyptians, the second Egyptian ruling ethnic/class's ancestral homeland was Punt (Somalia). They referred to this land as "Ta Nteru" ('Land of the gods'). To emphasize their Puntite origins, the Egyptians portrayed the Puntites in the exact same manner in which they portrayed themselves. This new ruling ethnic/class called themselves "Mesnitu" ('Metalworkers/blacksmiths'), and was also referred to as "Shemsu Hor" ('Followers of Horus')."
747t 4 months ago
@takfam07 "These Mesnitu had overthrown the original ruling ethnic/class, the Anu (those belonging to Osiris's ethnic group; and yes, Osiris was a real life personage), who had previously established its domination over all of Egypt through military conquest and political unification. Their place of origin was "Ta Seti" ('Land of the Bow') in the Sudan. Gradually tradition would identify both Somalia and the Sudan as "Ta Khent" ('Land of the Beginning' or 'Ancestral land')."
747t 4 months ago
@takfam07 Nobody has a "static culture" and the Egyptians started as nomads themselves. The cult of the cow goddess Hathor goes back further than the civilization. She was one of the most important gods and even appears on the Narmer Palette. Look up Nabta Playa and A group culture, and their effect on Egypt. The Egyptians took their dynastic tradition from the early Nubians. Quit with your evasive tactics and face the facts. I'm the only one providing evidence here you're just EVADING.
747t 4 months ago
@747t Well, I guess "static" is a relative term. Even though that's what most people think when they think of traditional Africa. Leaving aside Egypt (because we'll never agree on their degree of Negritude, or absence thereof). Now, do you think African blacks by now would've developed the magnetic compass, gunpowder, printing, and steam power on their own-- if it weren't introduced by others? How about the water wheel? The barometer? The blast furnace? The mechanical clock? Eyeglasses?
takfam07 4 months ago
@takfam07 That would be speculation, and pointless. What I can do is show you where African civilization was in comparison to the rest of the world til the time Europeans arrived on their shores. What they invented. THAT's science.That is critical thinking and not baiting people into a pointless speculative argument based on point of view. All of your questions stink of prejudice, and you've ignored all of the facts presented, being whittled down until its clear you have nothing valuable to say.
747t 4 months ago
@747t OK--where was African civilization (minus Egypt) in comparison to the rest of the world "'til the time Europeans arrived on their shore...what they invented"? Because I'm curious to know why they were so easily corruptible (selling millions of their own kind into slavery to Arabs and Europeans), and so easily vanquished? Please google "Tunde Obadina: Slave Trade," or "Obadina: Neocolonialism." You'll find these brief-but-potent online essays useful for our discussion.
takfam07 4 months ago
@takfam07 The Africans were not "easily vanquished". The Europeans played the friendship card for over 400 years while their technology advanced, population grew, tactics developed, while simulataneously weakening the Africans and gaining various footholds through land bargaining and Alliances. They didn't come in and declare war on everyone willy nilly. They were trading partners, missionaries, diplomats, etc etc. They studied the Africans and gained the continent slowly, one tribe at a time.
747t 4 months ago
@takfam07 "If Cuba...could pursue an independent economic agenda and survive, there is no reason why African nations could not have done the same...it was not in the interest of their rulers to do so and not because they were shackled by neo-colonialism." What a load of shit. This is exactly what Patrice Lumumba and Kwame Nkrumah were ousted for, the former brutally murdered. In order to lay the blame on Africans you must first remove the European or American or Chinese as a player.
747t 4 months ago
@takfam07 Obadina is sorely mistaken in his assertion that modern Africans are playing the blame game when it comes to self determination. Nkrumah and Lumumba were attempting to do just what he says they should or could. Former CIA operatives have confessed to involvement in BOTH of their oustings.
747t 4 months ago
@takfam07 And like I said the Belgian government has also confessed to and apologized for the oust and murder of Lumumba. How do you continue to blame Africans in the face of that?
747t 4 months ago
@takfam07 LOL Blast furnaces??? West Africans independently developed iron smelting by 1200 BC and by 500 BC the Nok culture of Nigeria had INDEPENDENTLY developed bloomeries. Compasses, gunpowder, and printing all came from Asia. Steam power was a result of the Industrial Revolution, a very subjective variable. And if you want to talk about the Ancient Greek "steam engine", the Aeolipile was never used as anything but a "temple wonder", a toy.
747t 4 months ago
@takfam07 Most European "inventions" are refinements of pre-existing technology from Africa and Asia. Civilization itself was late to Europe. By the time the Greeks emerged there had already been civilization on every other populated continent but Australia, even West Africa had civilization before Europe, as far back as 6000 years ago. Stop trying to make up for your deep seeded inferiority complex. Your fact finding and intellectual capacity are at best lacking, and so I bid you adieu.
747t 4 months ago
@747t Ah, so you want to bail before reading Obadina's two illusion-shattering online essays? You want to end the conversation before backing with evidence your bold claim that "most European 'inventions' are refinements of pre-existing technology from Africa and Asia"? Asia I can see, specifically China on a few things like gunpowder, paper, printing, the magnetic compass, etc. But Africa? What pre-existing African technologies did Europeans "refine"?
takfam07 4 months ago
@takfam07 Get out of here with that shit, you're grasping for straws. I've proven everything I've said. Go and do the research yourself. The Greeks are known for giving vast amounts of credit for their "inventions", philosophy, and knowledge to the Egyptians. This is why you want Egypt so badly - To prove that Africans weren't the fathers of your own civilization. In modern terminology, the Egyptians were black. When it comes to them though you want to change the rules. Get over it, troll.
747t 4 months ago
@747t Negative. A few years ago, scholars Mary Lefkowitz and Frank Snowden (African American professor emeritus of Classics, Howard University) thoroughly investigated Afrocentric claims of Egyptian AND black influence on ancient Greece. Their conclusion was that Greeks came up with their mathematics, logic, democracy, scientific inquiry, and other innovations on their own. Snowden's summary: "The time has come for Afrocentrists to stop falsifying and mythologizing the past."
takfam07 4 months ago
@takfam07 Richard Poe in “Black Spark, White Fire” argues that the assumption that the ancient Egyptians did not sail across the Mediterranean Sea is a carefully constructed scientific myth. Evidence that the ancient Egyptians did just that is similar to the volume of evidence that the Phoenicians and Minoans sailed that sea. Scientists willingly accept those cultures’ seafaring capability, yet illogically limit the ancient Egyptians’ capability to do the same.
747t 4 months ago
@takfam07 Your purpose is clear: To deny the African capacity for civilization and successful self rule. I don't know your motivations, but more power to ya. I guess everyone needs a hobby. Words like Negritude, nice touch. I also saw your comment on another video attacking Africa's vast genetic diversity as a barrier factor to civilization capacity. Nice touch. At least you're not calling us inbred anymore, right? Look dude, you're clearly on a mission, and wish to dehumanize us. I'm done here.
747t 4 months ago
@747t No, my purpose is simply to help untangle the web of Afrocentric myth-making and to defend academic standards. Afrocentrism is nothing but politically motivated fantasy which blatantly contradicts historical evidence. The tragedy is that Afrocentrism strengthens blacks' sense of oppositionality and resentment toward what they consider "whitewashed" history. But blacks suffer most, as they grow even more distanced from a truth-driven, objective, evidence-based understanding of history.
takfam07 4 months ago
@takfam07 So do you recognize any black civilizations?
747t 4 months ago
@takfam07 That may be a noble cause if you were to approach if from an angle that doesn't deny us what we actually have accomplished. By saying that we are incapable of civilizing ourselved you're not going to earn many listeners, or much respect. You only lose all credibility. Africans had civilizations. The Nubian Kingdom was established before Egypt. That much is accepted by even the mainstream. What you're trying to say is not only offensive, its simply not true. If you care about us,show it
747t 4 months ago
@747t And do understand, I'm not trying to "dehumanize" blacks. No, that's the job of Afrocentrism and entitlement-based "slave" thinking. Instead, I'm trying to "humanize" blacks by goading them to think correctly on history, on their present, culture, and to focus on the right things so their race can get out from the socioeconomic bottom. Because like everyone else, I'm tired of hearing blacks complain, make excuses, while perpetuating their culturally maladaptive ways--and with impunity.
takfam07 4 months ago
@takfam07 You have knowledge, that much is clear - but Harvard doesn't mean shit to me. Harvard isn't going to have much information that's not already accepted in circulation, if even by their own doing. Harvard is an educational institution. Their goal is to educate, not inform. Educe is the root of Educate. To Educe means "to bring out". Clearly Harvard has done nothing but bring out the bigot in you. As long as you disrespect my people and our experience you can kiss my ass.
747t 4 months ago
@747t Funny you say that, because at Harvard my graduate work focused on Postcolonial Studies. I studied African and AfroAm History (with Gates, West and William Julius Wilson), and also minority cultures in general. Believe it or not, I developed a small reputation for hiring (almost exclusively) African undergraduates for my research. So I worked closely with the most brilliant young minds recruited out of Africa. Plus, I traveled through sub-Saharan Africa twice on research grants.
takfam07 4 months ago
@takfam07 If your goal is to "help" us you're going about it wrong. Change your tune or add to the global chorus of "white noise" that makes our lives miserable and makes us hate you. It has not been long since oppression of blacks was the law, and the noise has never died. The noise is constant, and it is maddening. Much of the dysfunction of African Americans is a direct result of being inundated with crap from whites and others. Proof? Compare African Immigrants education achievement to ours.
747t 4 months ago
@747t Perhaps non-black frustration is the result of 50 years of redemptive coddling of blacks as the predominant cultural theme in the US--whether through welfare, affirmative action, or manufactured representation. And all we see in response is black rage, insolence, disrespect, underachievement, entitlement, criminality and violence. And yet this total "taboo" against anyone--white or black--ever addressing the obvious black cultural dysfunctionalities, without instantly becoming a pariah.
takfam07 4 months ago
@takfam07 Once again you're spewing bullshit. This country has never coddled us. It's held one hand while putting the other through a meat grinder. Have you ever heard of Ronald Reagan and the "Welfare Queen"? That was in the 80's, when he used that fictitious character to swindle the whole country out of education and social service funding. In the 70's they were disembowling the remnants of the civil rights and black power movements. In the 60's were the dogs and firehoses.
747t 4 months ago
@takfam07 In the 50's we couldnt even go to the same schools. I don't think I need mention sheriffs presiding over lynchings. You guys have never given up. You're always bitching and moaning about the oppression of the white man and the stink blacks put in your nose. You've NEVER let up on kicking us around and terrorizing and brutalizing us. You're so full of shit. Just stop it. STOP IT. Like I said you didn't learn shit at Harvard but how to puff up your own ego and justify racism. Fuck you
747t 4 months ago
@747t See--again the insolent, emotionally hostile black response, the kind that only holds them back as a race. I have news for you-- I'm probably less white than you. I'm 100% East Asian. So I know firsthand, as does my family (WWII internment), how racist white America can be. But Asians followed the Booker T. model for minority success, without even knowing it. Blacks should have followed him as well--but they didn't. Big mistake. They call him "Uncle Tom" instead. Their loss.
takfam07 4 months ago
@takfam07 Was that supposed to surprise me? I'm no stranger to the attitudes of East Asians toward blacks. Its often worse than that of whites. Get off your high horse and admit you dont know shit about what it means to be black. Not for one day.
747t 4 months ago
@747t The problem is not whether I (an East Asian) know what it means to be black. The problem is that blacks don't know how to transcend their blackness. And those maladaptive cultural memes developed during slavery have never left the black culture. Those memes were once useful in preserving dignity during a long period of dehumanization. But in the context of freedom, they are PRECISELY the wrong values and behaviors. The best thing blacks could possibly do is learn from Asians.
takfam07 4 months ago
@takfam07 What the FUCK are we supposed to learn from YOU? LMAO. You weren't slaves. The Japanese even got reparations for their internment, anf the Chinese worker population has long been blended with fresh immigrants from China. Neither country was colonized, and you didn't endure 400 years of dehumanization. No, the best thing we can do is follow the example of the recent African immigrants. At least the LOOK like us. Nevermind that theyre the new Model minority. SUCKS TO BE YOU.
747t 4 months ago
@747t "What the FUCK are we supposed to learn from YOU?" Well, let's take a look at some official US Census stats:
Average Household Income by Race, 2008:
Asians-$65,637
Whites-$52,312
Hispanics-$37,913
Blacks-$34,218
In 2007, Blacks were 12.6% of US population, Asians 4.8%. Blacks owned 1.9 million businesses, Asians owned 1.6 million. HOWEVER: black businesses generated $98.9 billion in gross revenues, Asian businesses generated $461.3 billion. THAT'S what blacks can learn from us.
takfam07 4 months ago
@takfam07 Kind of Vague, dont you think?
GARIFUNA 4 months ago
@takfam07 Should I go into how all the vietnamese guys I knew in high school sold weed? How about how one broke into my house along with a 3 black guys and held me at shotgun point? What about my Japanese exchange student friend who talks shit about his parents all day and blows the money they send him at the strip club. He hates them because they didnt lease him a car while he was here. OHHH NO. By the way he also hates asians. And why do you guys change your names when you come here???
747t 4 months ago
@takfam07 All the knowledge in the world still won't help you understand us, because you cant BE us. You ignore the obvious aggressions toward us because you prefer to see our aggression. A human in a cage is going to react the same as an animal. Its a survival mechanism and its being used against us to justify our further demise.
747t 4 months ago
@747t Idiot, no one wants to see blacks' demise! Most of us want to see blacks RISE. But we see them trapped and imprisoned by their own thinking. Yes, this damage is a result of years of oppression. But nonetheless the maladaptive cultural behaviors remain. Blacks must regroup and undertake some serious changes in their culture. A little adjustment would go a LONG way. But--as deplorable as it might sound--blacks actually have to HUMBLE themselves in order to receive this message.
takfam07 4 months ago
@takfam07 You got it right, humble OURSELVES. You talking shit to us to "goad" us is not going to do that. It just blends in with all the other shit we take and gives us high blood pressure that fucks up our arteries and makes us die early! You've made the first ALMOST sensible comment about blacks yet. The catch, its OUR problem, NOT YOURS. If you do want to help, however, show some goddamn respect. And most African Americans don't know African history. They don't know what they were before.
747t 4 months ago
@takfam07 There is a growing recognition of African immigrants as the new model minority and the highest academically achieving ethnic group. How is this possible if all Africans are stuck in the same slave mentality, and modern society has nothing to do with it? Why are African Americans the lowest, and Africans the highest achievers?
747t 4 months ago
@takfam07 In the United States and Britain, that is. I havent seen data from elsewhere.
747t 4 months ago
@takfam07 So why do you stoop to the level of suggesting that our genes are incompatible with civilization? You can't be ignorant of African achievements with that level of scholarship. And you can't be serious about the gene thing.
747t 4 months ago
@747t Of course I don't think it's genetic. I was at Harvard when Herrnstein & Murray released "The Bell Curve"--the institution-wide reaction was amazing. Harvard is much more liberal than you think. Also, despite the consistency of results in racial intelligence-based testing, I firmly believe that it's cultural and environmental, not genetic. I merely say it to goad blacks to react. But this should cause blacks to study harder, not plunge further into dogmatic Afrocentric fantasy.
takfam07 4 months ago
@takfam07 Why don't you check out the video (you might find it on the right-->) about African Binary Mathematics. Also check out the Ishango Bone, the world's first known mathematical tool, found in the Congo. How about a drum language that relayed messages across the empires of West Africa, the largest being the size of the continental U.S. It was also why African drums were outlawed during slavery in the U.S. - They were used to successfully organize rebellion and issue battle commands.
747t 4 months ago
@takfam07 Sorry, that should be in quotes. Also "Still, there is powerful evidence to show that the Egyptians did venture beyond the Nile. It is also known that they possessed a large fleet. And Thor Heyerdahl showed that even their “primitive boats” were able to master the currents of the oceans – thus very well equipped to master the much calmer waters of the Mediterranean Sea. "
747t 4 months ago
Mary Lefkowitz is a joke. Plato and Pythagoras were both scholars in Egypt and even give the names of their teachers. They came back to be the "founders" of Greek Math and Philosophy. Plato himself spent 13 years in Egypt. Democritus also spent 5 years in Egypt studying under the priests. Quit wasting my time. Sharpen your fangs somewhere else. Admit that you're a racist and seek help.
747t 4 months ago
@747t If Plato and Pythagoras gained their knowledge from Egypt, where are the parallels? Where are the correspondences? I studied Classics at Harvard University under noted scholars like Greg Nagy, David Mitten and Zeph Stewart. As a graduate student in the 1990s I traveled to Greece and Egypt with Harvard researchers. There's rarely a mention of Egyptian influence on Classical Greece, either by Harvard profs, nor by the Greek and Egyptian scholars we worked with in those countries.
takfam07 4 months ago
@747t I take that back. I myself wrote two very well-received papers at Harvard: one on the "Tyrannicide Statues of the Athenian Agora," and the other on the "Kritios Boy." At the time, I couldn't help notice that the late-Archaic Greek sculptors took their cues from Egyptian standing statues. But the slight hip displacement was the revolutionary shift the Greeks came up with to make their statues come alive. So OK, even I was enthralled by the probable Egypt-Greek continuity in art.
takfam07 4 months ago
@takfam07 The essays by Obadina lay the blame for Africa's condition on Africans not ruling wisely. Can we agree on that? Or tell me what the purpose was. Its off topic so I'm not entirely sure. My knowledge on the slave trade era is lacking, but I will agree that African leaders used it as a chance to get rich and get rid of political rivals, weak rival tribes in their kingdoms, etc. They were out for themselves and didn't see much threat from Europe. They were powerful in their own right.
747t 4 months ago
@takfam07 Your purpose is clear: To deny the African capacity for civilization and successful self rule. Cool Hobby.Words like Negritude are a nice touch. I also saw your comment on another video attacking Africa's vast genetic diversity as a barrier factor to civilization capacity. At least you're not calling us inbred anymore, right? Look dude, you're clearly on a mission, and wish to thoroughly dehumanize us. Judging from your profile its not going to stop anytime soon, no matter what I say.
747t 4 months ago
@takfam07 Why should we humble ourselves when most don't even know our own history beyond shackles? I met a girl at my college that told me she JUST found out she was descended from Africans. She said last year if I had asked her where her homeland was she would have said "Detroit". Not even Alabama or South Carolina but Detroit?!?! The education is the first step. Humility will come with knowledge, once we don't have to rely on knee jerk defenses.
747t 4 months ago
@747t How can blacks not know their history, when every school curriculum in the country covers "black history" ad nauseum? To the exclusion of (excuse me) other equally worthy subjects? Shit, if blacks students were paying attention, they'd know. I'd bet anything Asian students would score higher on a national exam about black history--than blacks themselves. And the irony is, us Asians don't know OUR OWN history, either. But we feel it doesn't matter. We will learn it later.
takfam07 4 months ago
@takfam07 Every school in the country shows a trivial amount of African AMERICAN history (usually during February) which is all about struggle. It gets tiring. We feel trapped, like we've always been under someone's foot. It becomes a reminder of how irrelevant we are. No, I'm talking about African history. The only exposure to anything African I had in grade school was about Egypt (not considered to be or treated as African), wild animals and remote tribes with strange dress and practices.
747t 4 months ago