fastblackshapes, he is obviously an extremely talented player and gifted composer. He always has been the driving force in Genesis. But have you got all his solo input ? I do. Imo, the only one worth of it, from track one to to the end, is his last, seven, a symphonic work.
Rutherford has done a solo work, Smallcreep’s day, wich ranks on the same level than the outpouf of the whole band.
This is not the case of Bankstatement or Still which are quite boring collections of AOR songs, with no melodies and pretty lame arrangements. On the exception of a bunch of songs, like I’'ll be waiting, That Night, A Piece Of You, or The More I Hide It, which is just a miracle. Probably one of the best things he ever wrote. But it is just my opinion.
This is not the case of Bankstatement or Still which are quite boring collections of AOR songs, with no melodies and pretty lame arrangements. On the exception of a bunch of songs, like I’'ll be waiting, That Night, A Piece Of You, or The More I Hide It, which is just a miracle. Probably one of the best things he ever wrote. But it is just my opinion.
This is not the case of Bankstatement or Still which are quite boring collections of AOR songs, with no melodies and pretty lame arrangements. On the exception of a bunch of songs, like I’'ll be waiting, That Night, A Piece Of You, or The More I Hide It, which is just a miracle. Probably one of the best things he ever wrote. But it is just my opinion.
i agree with you. All by himself, Banks is not that good. He clearly needed the input of Gabriel and the others to be at his best and with the exception of a handfull of wonderous tracks, his solo outpout is rather disappointing. It is the same thing with Yes. None of the musicians have been able to produce some work which ranks the one they did together.
Peter Gabriel is one of my favorite singers but i don't think he is so terrific on that one. And he didn't wrote all lyrics. Firth of Firth, for an exemple, Is a piece by Banks, music and lyrics. The only lyrics Peter wrote alone was those of the Lamb. Banks has always been the main composer and writer, the driving force behind Genesis. Not Peter. But he was so amazing on stage that people thought he was Genesis all by himself.
@Berniedru "Banks has always been the main composer and writer, the driving force behind Genesis."
Maybe in the sense of writing more melodies than anybody else. (Though not necessarily the best melodies.)
Other than that, compare "Firth of Fifth" with "One for the Vine" (which Banks wrote on his own and then brought to the band) for a demonstration of what happens when Banks tries to organize his ideas into a complex, multi-part progressive composition without the rest of the band's input.
As I am researching Giant Hogweed on the internet for a presentation, I come across this. Thanks Genesis, you have just added some unexpected entertainment to my project!
without a doubt peter was THE focal point of the band, singing lyrics he primarily wrote & creating visual accents to the songs as a whole, but i don't think it can be argued that tony's keys & guitar work is the basis for what is now considered the "classic" genesis sound, btw i'm not disputing the talents of mike, steve & phil in that place & time...clearly the synergy of these 5 individual players are manifest.
@monkeybutler20 It was a bit over the top and any ordinary Joe would have been arrested under section 13. For Peter Gabriel there were no wankerz trying to use that piece of filthy legislation for their own ends and instead the audience was left with ringing in their ears from the intro' and the school triangle.
@PileofShit10 Ha "post Gabriel" it has a ring to it. I get what you mean but it's not intelligence because the intelligent others were still in place. I think you mean the change of a lead singer brought with it street credibility and dick heads with a bit of cash started buying Genesis records. The switch brought with it even greater rewards for the band members and their megalomaniac demigods. Country houses for all dot dot dot
The giant hogweed is a stunning plant--reaching up to 12 feet tall with flowers as big as umbrellas-- but it's also dangerous. Its sap can cause third degree burns and blindness and New York environmental officials are worried the plant is spreading across the state at an alarming rate.
If the sap gets on your skin and it's exposed to sunlight, you end up with third-degree burns, oozing and scars," Naja Kraus, the DEC's Giant Hogweed Program coordinator, told The New York Post, adding.
I have been a fan since 1977. I love the Gabriel era but to say genesis "lost it" after 1980 is to deny the quality of many of the album tracks after this date. Sure there were some AOR singles that sounded like Phil's solo rejects but the "longs" were just as magnificent as some of the Gabriel-era stuff.
@stoory10 Nah :) honestly mate.... they weren't bad, but to say they were equal to the magnificence of the Gabriel era 'longs' is a bit much. What is as good as The Musical Box, Supper's Ready, Fountain of Salmacis, Dancing with the Moonlit Knight, Firth of Fifth, Cinema Show, Watcher of the Skies? Name just one!
Take note ye, you greatest generation, for you have witnessed the best of Rael's Genesis.The Mecca of Prog rock. You shall be remembered for enternity, because you where there, and all before you and after will be forever jelous, for you have witnessed the pinnacle of Poetic Rock, and we of the modern geration have to deal with Beyonce singing about a single lady, forever in an age of repetitiveness music that has no actual intellect behind it .
The live versions seem to skip (or edit out) my favorite part on the record -- the little segment around 2:30 where Phil actually switches to a swing beat for a while. Very unexpected and fun.
About 1986 I was boozing at a party with several Boston punks. Somehow this title came up. Suddenly one of the local scenesters and I were bellowing the entire lyric in unison while several horrified onlookers stood back. Bluesers like me and punks like him had secret prog fetishes. Who knew?
Another time in the late 1990s I surprised the 18-year-old vid store clerk who was blasting Genesis Live by identifying Get 'Em Out By Friday.
Genesis had humor, the missing element in most Prog.
@SpectreEelman Well, personally I wouldn't say they sank into the depths of commercial garbage (grins) but I agree this was a fabulous time. This music isn't to be matched (though Marillion tried...ouch...). At least it's still being heard thanks to the band's longevity, whether one likes the later years or not.
@SpectreEelman "This was the best time of Genesis.. Gabriel, Banks, Hackett, Rutherford and Collins all working together. to producing Wonderful Music...
.. Genesis just totally sank into the depths of commercial garbage by 1979..." I agree. But people don't seem to appreciate it today. If we like this we are considered old. Today they want Jonas, Gaga, Bieber, Beyonce and Owl City, at least that's what my kids say.
There was a big fuss about this in the British media about a year or so before this song was released - one of those massive scaremongering stories that the RedTops do so well. The stuff can give you a nasty burn if you get the sap on your skin and then go out into the sun.
Unique...anti-conformistic musical unities like the band called Genesis...
where always totally genuine and fresh, tough very complicated to most...
Between my 14 -first hearing ....and today at 51...nothing really has changed of this genuine intensity of their always self-renewing beauty and technical skill!
Agree with you there rdety. As a drummer, he has given me so much challenge to attempt to duplicate his style. Indeed a drummer icon..to say the least.
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This is terrible I like prog-rock bands but there is a bit of kidology with this ..Phil Collins is a great drummer, and Hacket has some nice guitar work, but overall this is sloppy and the whole Pete thing, his stage act might have been a good idea at the time but it is tiresome he s not that good a vocalist, ELP were boring but tighter and more professional than Genesis, Yes & King Crimson are the best esp YES.
Hogweed! Hogweed! Hogweed! Hogweed! Love this song. Epic storytelling in musical form. Between this and ELP's Karn Evil 9, 3rd Impression, the world doesn't stand a chance! If you get the opportunity, there's a guy who's done closeups of the guitar from this, and he's pretty talented, look around for it. -- Man, how many of us would sever fingers to see the entire Genesis team reunite to perform this single song?
reminds me of the old 8 track i used to have set up in the garage back in 1980 used to play drums to this and tresspass album... thank you i have some stuff to trade contact me
This clip is from "Genesis The Best From European TV 1972-74" released 2004 by Armada's Video. Watch if you find it on ebay because that is where i obtained my copy. It was a copy of the original and a bad copy at that, very,very low quality.
@VirgilwithanE MICHAEL TSARION IS THE WORLDS PREMIER CONSPIRACY RESEARCHER/LECTURER/AUTHOR. DR. BILL DEAGLE AND JORDAN MAXWELL ARE HIGHLY INFORMATIVE AS WELL. P.S. MELTING EUPHORIA IS A HOLISTIC PSYCHEDLIC PROG ROCK BAND THAT IS NOW DEFUNCT BUT HAS FOUR STUDIO CD'S AND ARE SIMILAR TO OZRIC TENTACLES AND GONG.
@rdety Great holistic bands are--Melting Euphoria, Ozric Tentacles, Gong, Aphrodities Child, Magma, Jade Warrior, Eat Static, System 7, Lisa Gerrard, Dead can Dance, Stomu Yamashta, Kazumi Watanabe, Toninho Horta, Larry Coryell, Shakti, Oregon, Mother Gong, Acid Mother's Temple, Acid Mother's Gong, Magical Power Mako, Patrick Bernard, Lost at Last, Sphongle, Steve Tibbetts, Steve Hillage.
Have you guys noticed how shredded Pete's voice is during the whole Bataclan concert? It's a bit of a shame that one of the only live recordings of this material came on a night when his voice was shot. By the time he starts Supper's Ready, he's reduced to almost a croak. Still great to see them all there on screen though- always and forever
That "bearded troll" on the drums, as faskmunch puts it, had to keep time in arrangements with multiple time signatures in the same song. One of the very best drummers of all time- and obviously so
It's a shame that they didn't have footage of the whole concert to put on the "Selling England By the Pound" DVD. This looks like it would have been an amazing show to be at.
@hondasfour you are so correct Steve was the soul of the band All the great guitar riffs and effects just listen to the musical box or watcher of the skies marvelous guitar work Steve you rock
@thelizardking1943 Actually he is right. Peter Gabriel was the soul of the group, and his influence, and feeling was still there. Genesis made two great studio albums, and one live album without him after he left. A Trick of The Tail, and Wind and Wuthering. Then they made an amazing live album Seconds Out. Steve Hackett leaves we get …And Then There Were Three… which wasn't horrible, but didn't sound the same, and then the next album they completely lost it, and we got Duke.
@DavidKinner i agree....genesis without gabriel turned into middle of the road slop.....especially after collins got control.....i have the early albums but genesis live is the only one i still play....
@buckandotis I don't own that one I own Selling England, The Lamb, Foxtrot, Tresspass, and when I as much younger found Genesis Live The Way We Walk, and I almost wish I didn't I never play it it's pointless lol all the old ones I listen to though.
@DavidKinner "The high office of the President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American's freedom and before I leave office, I must inform the citizen of this plight."
@DavidKinner Michael Tsarion is the worlds premier conspiracy researcher/lecturer/author. p.s. Melting Euphoria is similar to Ozric Tentacles and Gong
jeezz...it's amazing how ignorant fans can be. just because they didn't continue doing prog, doesn't mean they're dead. Besides, if you asked Pete or Steve if they thought the band died after they left, they'd probably laugh in your faces.
Obviously the band didn't "die", because they went on and became more successful than ever. I enjoy some of the "pop" Genesis stuff, but you cannot tell me that Invisible Touch comes close to the magic of Selling England By the Pound. Pete and Steve probably would laugh in our faces, but they also lack the objective point of view of a fan of the pre-...And Then There Were Three period of the band. But without the change in direction, Genesis would not have survived the '80s. Same with YES.
Not in the slightest. This is hard rocking prog, which Genesis did very well. Just listen to "The Musical Box" and "The Knife".
But death metal? That's a huge stretch. That would be like saying "You Really Got Me" is death metal, just because it was the first hard rock song, and because hard rock made heavy metal, heavy metal made metal (yes, I think there's a difference between the two), and metal branched off.
I'd say "heavy metal", which is the more traditional type, is a form of "metal", the all-encompassing genre which includes thrash, power, black, death, progressive and so on.
Anyway, heavy metal in general is blues-rock + progressive rock, so yes it was influential in that sense but there aren't overly many progressive death metal bands that sound like Genesis.
I've always considered "metal" to be all-encompassing, as you do. "Heavy metal" is heavier or more aggressive hard rock from the '70s, like "Highway Star" or "Immigrant Song", for example.
Yes, it must be Steve standing up. At first I thought it was Michael playing the guitar (although I do hear his bass also) but he's comming out from the left during the applause :-) - so yes, it's Steve. Cracking stuff.
great drumming by collins! (he always did i might add). Especially in the early days of genesis with al the musical parts in it (the cage, the knife, supper is ready, etc.)
if you like his drumming style, check 'Brand X'. that was a side-project of him. He does great things there too!
I think something that often gets overlooked in the transition of Genesis to a pop band is Phil Collins leaving the drumset. Obviously him taking over vocals and having more say and influence in the sound of the songs had an effect, but I am talking about his absense from the drumset. He was so good at drums and had a unique rhythym and style that suited this music perfectly. No other drummer could fill in for Collins and be as effective in keeping the style like he did. It's such a shame.
Definetly Steve Hacket was underated. What hurt the band was that the writing suffered after pete and steve left. It was a consious decision by the band to shorten the songs----and yes Mike is a great Bass plater but a terrible lead player. Still had some great moments---- Duke in particular comes to mind. Pray for the original lineup to do the Lamb!
4:26 is just a long line of Genesis tamborine antics. If you've ever seen Phil "play himself" it is unreal for a guy to be able to do that during a performance..
Hogweed and Harold the Barrel are classic Genesis jams..best band ,Pete, Phil Mike Tony and the Steve era..of all the folks that think Phil was the dictator..Steve left because he thought Tony was :-) Something Tony was surprised to hear
I think he has always been mild mannered. He seems like the same guy during interviews now as he did during his backstage interviews during his time with Genesis. Everything he did on stage was purely an act. He was always a totally different (more insane) person on stage than in person, which is one of the things i like about him so much. I think he is just smart enough to know that being crazy & strange on stage is entertaining for the fans, even though he is not really like that in person.
You are right, but to come up with the Slipperman, well, just The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway in general, he must have had some SERIOUS ISSUES. Or just a crazy imagination.
I would say he has a crazy imagination. The entire Lamb album is pretty much a metaphor for some bigger, hidden journey(i have heard about sex, birth process, maybe both, among other things) He does the same thing now, using metaphors in his songs for sexual meanings (sledgehammer, shock the monkey, etc...) And hearing him talk in interviews, I find it hard to believe he is crazy in any way. I think he just knows damn well how to entertain a paying audience, slipperman being part of that.
I really like this song a lot, but as in most videos from this genesis era, they again used the most crappiest camera they could possibly find. I've seen videos from the 1940s which are in far more superior quality than this one. Not to mention the sound quality...
Steve Hacket was 1 of the most under rated guitarist of this era. And he most always sat while playing......Rutherford was a good bassist but later on his guitar work along w/Pill's dictatorship ruined them....
I agree that their songs' quality dropped after Hackett left, but a) Rutherford was an EXCELLENT bassist, and in fact always remained so, b) his guitar work hardly ruined them, and c) if you think Phil ever was a dictator in that band, you don't know their history. Commercial success ruined them, like it does to most bands, not Phil or Mike or anybody's playing. I do agree that Steve was highly underrated, though.
To TheBwanaDik if you accept you don't care for lyrics don't dare to correct those of us who do care, specially when you don't know WTF you are talking about.
I'm a former musician and actual critic and lyrics are an inmportant part of a song, playing cover versions on keyboards make you better than nobody.
And stop being so arrogant, the phrase "You are right, and I am wrong, whatever" is pedant when you are wrong.
I've seen the FOXTROT,SEBTP,TLLDOB, and other tours, these guys were the best. The idiots who call themselves musicians today could not hold a candle to these guys. Composition,talent,and imgination are lacking in music today. Their stage shows could not be beat, nor the music. I doubt there is a better keyboard player than Tony Banks, including Rudess.
Gabriel Genesis used to writeabout historic events, The the Giant Hogweed attack in fact happened in Victorian England, and actually is a major health problem in Northwestern USA, where it's qualified as hazardous.
No Genesis members except Phil Collins and apparently Steve Hackett (who once in a while smoked joint) used drugs. All lyrics are based in knowledge and imagination of Peter Gabriel.
It's not about that weed dude. It's about a Giant Hogweed that becomes sentient and goes around and kills everyone in a battle. Make sure you know what you're talking about before you comment.
Of course Gabriel speaks uses a metaphore to make the sonng more dramatic, but if you read British History, you will find that it spread out of control.
Alright dude. I don't pay as much attention to the lyrics all the time, I'm bust playing the piano parts and not focusing on that. You are right, and I am wrong, whatever.
For fuck sake! what have you gained from posting that comment? respect?, friendship?..NO! all that has happened is that even more people think you're an ignorant TWAT!
Yep. Classic Genesis at its best. Didn't one of the members say that they liked how quiet the audience was because it meant that they were actually listening to the music?
fastblackshapes, he is obviously an extremely talented player and gifted composer. He always has been the driving force in Genesis. But have you got all his solo input ? I do. Imo, the only one worth of it, from track one to to the end, is his last, seven, a symphonic work.
Rutherford has done a solo work, Smallcreep’s day, wich ranks on the same level than the outpouf of the whole band.
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This is not the case of Bankstatement or Still which are quite boring collections of AOR songs, with no melodies and pretty lame arrangements. On the exception of a bunch of songs, like I’'ll be waiting, That Night, A Piece Of You, or The More I Hide It, which is just a miracle. Probably one of the best things he ever wrote. But it is just my opinion.
Berniedru 4 weeks ago
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This is not the case of Bankstatement or Still which are quite boring collections of AOR songs, with no melodies and pretty lame arrangements. On the exception of a bunch of songs, like I’'ll be waiting, That Night, A Piece Of You, or The More I Hide It, which is just a miracle. Probably one of the best things he ever wrote. But it is just my opinion.
Berniedru 4 weeks ago
This is not the case of Bankstatement or Still which are quite boring collections of AOR songs, with no melodies and pretty lame arrangements. On the exception of a bunch of songs, like I’'ll be waiting, That Night, A Piece Of You, or The More I Hide It, which is just a miracle. Probably one of the best things he ever wrote. But it is just my opinion.
Berniedru 4 weeks ago
Probably my fav song from the early genesis years, lyrics really kick ass!
peteyguitarguy 3 months ago
Moi c ma vie :)
Davors1959 3 months ago
if I said to Justin Beiber sing like peter gabriel in this song,well in studio version he lost his voice XD.
gonzataker 5 months ago
i agree with you. All by himself, Banks is not that good. He clearly needed the input of Gabriel and the others to be at his best and with the exception of a handfull of wonderous tracks, his solo outpout is rather disappointing. It is the same thing with Yes. None of the musicians have been able to produce some work which ranks the one they did together.
Berniedru 5 months ago
@Berniedru 'Banks is not that good' try to play Firth Of Fith and then we'll talk.
fastblackshapes 4 weeks ago
Peter Gabriel is one of my favorite singers but i don't think he is so terrific on that one. And he didn't wrote all lyrics. Firth of Firth, for an exemple, Is a piece by Banks, music and lyrics. The only lyrics Peter wrote alone was those of the Lamb. Banks has always been the main composer and writer, the driving force behind Genesis. Not Peter. But he was so amazing on stage that people thought he was Genesis all by himself.
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fontinau 5 months ago
@Berniedru "Banks has always been the main composer and writer, the driving force behind Genesis."
Maybe in the sense of writing more melodies than anybody else. (Though not necessarily the best melodies.)
Other than that, compare "Firth of Fifth" with "One for the Vine" (which Banks wrote on his own and then brought to the band) for a demonstration of what happens when Banks tries to organize his ideas into a complex, multi-part progressive composition without the rest of the band's input.
fontinau 5 months ago
As I am researching Giant Hogweed on the internet for a presentation, I come across this. Thanks Genesis, you have just added some unexpected entertainment to my project!
Steflovininxs 6 months ago
without a doubt peter was THE focal point of the band, singing lyrics he primarily wrote & creating visual accents to the songs as a whole, but i don't think it can be argued that tony's keys & guitar work is the basis for what is now considered the "classic" genesis sound, btw i'm not disputing the talents of mike, steve & phil in that place & time...clearly the synergy of these 5 individual players are manifest.
MST3Kfanatic 6 months ago
peter is the creator -Genesis is the product - collins was good but Genesis is all 4
londosdan1964 7 months ago
it is our plesure to present...."THE RETURN OF THE GIANT HOGWEED"!!!!!!!!!!!
one of the most awsome intro's of all time
monkeybutler20 7 months ago 9
@monkeybutler20 i ll inmortalized this quote
mikolgome 4 months ago
@monkeybutler20 It was a bit over the top and any ordinary Joe would have been arrested under section 13. For Peter Gabriel there were no wankerz trying to use that piece of filthy legislation for their own ends and instead the audience was left with ringing in their ears from the intro' and the school triangle.
frenchexperience 3 months ago
Fabulous.. This is Genesis at its best, post Gabriel is tolerable but nothing comes near to this. I think Gabriel Genesis was more intelligent
PileofShit10 7 months ago 8
@PileofShit10 Ha "post Gabriel" it has a ring to it. I get what you mean but it's not intelligence because the intelligent others were still in place. I think you mean the change of a lead singer brought with it street credibility and dick heads with a bit of cash started buying Genesis records. The switch brought with it even greater rewards for the band members and their megalomaniac demigods. Country houses for all dot dot dot
frenchexperience 3 months ago
Beware of the Giant Hogweed!
PorygonFanatics 7 months ago
Wow. This song is not my cup of tea.
ylee2121 7 months ago
The giant hogweed is a stunning plant--reaching up to 12 feet tall with flowers as big as umbrellas-- but it's also dangerous. Its sap can cause third degree burns and blindness and New York environmental officials are worried the plant is spreading across the state at an alarming rate.
If the sap gets on your skin and it's exposed to sunlight, you end up with third-degree burns, oozing and scars," Naja Kraus, the DEC's Giant Hogweed Program coordinator, told The New York Post, adding.
kopi3nnn 7 months ago
Genesis. There will never be another.
MrNoclothes 8 months ago
I wish Phil could continue Genesis instead of Playing the Drums.
Jessyleppert 8 months ago
Most modern music is shit compared to this!!!
freethoughtmusic 8 months ago
short and humble guy behind the drums but huge monster musician Phil Collins!
sunnylee84 8 months ago
@RewindPlay1
Buy your dad a Father's Day gift.
nbelsky 8 months ago
me gusto art rock
balzacraider 9 months ago
I have been a fan since 1977. I love the Gabriel era but to say genesis "lost it" after 1980 is to deny the quality of many of the album tracks after this date. Sure there were some AOR singles that sounded like Phil's solo rejects but the "longs" were just as magnificent as some of the Gabriel-era stuff.
stoory10 9 months ago
@stoory10 Nah :) honestly mate.... they weren't bad, but to say they were equal to the magnificence of the Gabriel era 'longs' is a bit much. What is as good as The Musical Box, Supper's Ready, Fountain of Salmacis, Dancing with the Moonlit Knight, Firth of Fifth, Cinema Show, Watcher of the Skies? Name just one!
scouserfourteen 8 months ago
@scouserfourteen
"The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway"?
nbelsky 8 months ago
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kirkjans 11 months ago
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Take note ye, you greatest generation, for you have witnessed the best of Rael's Genesis.The Mecca of Prog rock. You shall be remembered for enternity, because you where there, and all before you and after will be forever jelous, for you have witnessed the pinnacle of Poetic Rock, and we of the modern geration have to deal with Beyonce singing about a single lady, forever in an age of repetitiveness music that has no actual intellect behind it .
Signed
A new generational Genesis fan
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Collins was one of the best drummers in the world, now he does cheesy motown covers and wails crappy ballads. What went wrong?
lc3566 1 year ago
this... is.... THE RETURN OF THE GIANT HOGWEED!!!!
pagani43 1 year ago
The live versions seem to skip (or edit out) my favorite part on the record -- the little segment around 2:30 where Phil actually switches to a swing beat for a while. Very unexpected and fun.
simonpeter6 1 year ago
Phil belongs behind the drums,he's better drummer than singer
blutocampbell 1 year ago
About 1986 I was boozing at a party with several Boston punks. Somehow this title came up. Suddenly one of the local scenesters and I were bellowing the entire lyric in unison while several horrified onlookers stood back. Bluesers like me and punks like him had secret prog fetishes. Who knew?
Another time in the late 1990s I surprised the 18-year-old vid store clerk who was blasting Genesis Live by identifying Get 'Em Out By Friday.
Genesis had humor, the missing element in most Prog.
diddlytube 1 year ago
A t the time we were wild and free, in streets of our city !(Before 1975)
Sylvain894 1 year ago
If I ever have a rock band, I'll scream the name of the songs just like peter does.
waripolo15 1 year ago 2
Would have much preferred to see Hackett playing his solo than Gabriel whacking his tambourine.
Skenzed 1 year ago
This was the best time of Genesis.. Gabriel, Banks, Hackett, Rutherford and Collins all working together. to producing Wonderful Music...
.. Genesis just totally sank into the depths of commercial garbage by 1979...
SpectreEelman 1 year ago
@SpectreEelman Well, personally I wouldn't say they sank into the depths of commercial garbage (grins) but I agree this was a fabulous time. This music isn't to be matched (though Marillion tried...ouch...). At least it's still being heard thanks to the band's longevity, whether one likes the later years or not.
kamwrites 1 year ago
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@SpectreEelman "This was the best time of Genesis.. Gabriel, Banks, Hackett, Rutherford and Collins all working together. to producing Wonderful Music...
.. Genesis just totally sank into the depths of commercial garbage by 1979..." I agree. But people don't seem to appreciate it today. If we like this we are considered old. Today they want Jonas, Gaga, Bieber, Beyonce and Owl City, at least that's what my kids say.
abaneyone 1 year ago
THE RETURN OF THE GIANT HOGWEEEEEED!!!!!!!!!
TheStarless74 1 year ago 2
pg...such a weirdly amazingly creative guy!
xeokym 1 year ago 2
Good old Genesis and good old me.
showeyes 1 year ago
Outstanding performance of one of their best tracks
thedaft92 1 year ago
LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
kamwrites 1 year ago
There was a big fuss about this in the British media about a year or so before this song was released - one of those massive scaremongering stories that the RedTops do so well. The stuff can give you a nasty burn if you get the sap on your skin and then go out into the sun.
fightming 1 year ago
Genesis are great... this song is great... but this live sucks =.= [I prefer Transatlantic's version, by the way!]
Bigiobagio 1 year ago
damn stuff is all over my allotment :(
fightming 1 year ago
@fightming Turn and run!
kaioxygen 1 year ago
@kaioxygen aaaarrrrgggghhh -it's coming to get me
fightming 1 year ago
lol my province is being invaded by these things. i find this song to be very appropriate
hebesphenomegacorona 1 year ago 2
youpp
those fantastick days
Mike
aslakemil 1 year ago
Unique...anti-conformistic musical unities like the band called Genesis...
where always totally genuine and fresh, tough very complicated to most...
Between my 14 -first hearing ....and today at 51...nothing really has changed of this genuine intensity of their always self-renewing beauty and technical skill!
Bernard
Belgium.
labora4best 1 year ago
#FTW
plasticPlaystation 1 year ago
@Britcard if you read this far don't stop...... you'll die in the next 80 years if you don't stop spamming youtube videos, you stupid wee bastard
ClTIZEN 1 year ago
@ClTIZEN ROFLMAO
kamwrites 1 year ago
Agree with you there rdety. As a drummer, he has given me so much challenge to attempt to duplicate his style. Indeed a drummer icon..to say the least.
poodius7 1 year ago
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This is terrible I like prog-rock bands but there is a bit of kidology with this ..Phil Collins is a great drummer, and Hacket has some nice guitar work, but overall this is sloppy and the whole Pete thing, his stage act might have been a good idea at the time but it is tiresome he s not that good a vocalist, ELP were boring but tighter and more professional than Genesis, Yes & King Crimson are the best esp YES.
pmarcusdon 1 year ago
Pete is a ok drummer, a not-so-good singer and once Pete left the band......Wind and Wuthering? Duke? nah....not for me......just a personal comment
doctorbombay 1 year ago
I saw the concert in London July 2007: they played a rubbish selection, complete disrespect for the old fans.
vincit77 1 year ago
Uh, Mike lost his bass at 0:59...
mirobaldo 2 years ago
Pete Mayer (hmmm... THEE peter mayer?) ((just checked your YT & website ... AAAAAAH oh my word .. yup)^^ small freakin world
anyway ... seconds Mayers comment
n07w4tU7hnk 2 years ago
Doesn't matter if they would have survived the 80s or not. When I reach for a Genesis album, it ain't Invisible Touch or that awful We Can't Dance.
PeterMayer 2 years ago 3
Hogweed! Hogweed! Hogweed! Hogweed! Love this song. Epic storytelling in musical form. Between this and ELP's Karn Evil 9, 3rd Impression, the world doesn't stand a chance! If you get the opportunity, there's a guy who's done closeups of the guitar from this, and he's pretty talented, look around for it. -- Man, how many of us would sever fingers to see the entire Genesis team reunite to perform this single song?
GardnerGoldsmith 2 years ago 2
reminds me of the old 8 track i used to have set up in the garage back in 1980 used to play drums to this and tresspass album... thank you i have some stuff to trade contact me
bruford55 2 years ago
i liked the tamborine meeting the mic stand toward the end of the song
maryyygrrr 2 years ago
Hey man, where did you get this video? My dad's been looking for it for ages. D'you think you could help me out here? Thanks a million!
VirgilwithanE 2 years ago
This clip is from "Genesis The Best From European TV 1972-74" released 2004 by Armada's Video. Watch if you find it on ebay because that is where i obtained my copy. It was a copy of the original and a bad copy at that, very,very low quality.
fableblue2010 2 years ago
@fableblue2010 Sweet! Thanks man! Dad's been bugging me to find this for him for AGES!!!
VirgilwithanE 2 years ago
@VirgilwithanE MICHAEL TSARION IS THE WORLDS PREMIER CONSPIRACY RESEARCHER/LECTURER/AUTHOR. DR. BILL DEAGLE AND JORDAN MAXWELL ARE HIGHLY INFORMATIVE AS WELL. P.S. MELTING EUPHORIA IS A HOLISTIC PSYCHEDLIC PROG ROCK BAND THAT IS NOW DEFUNCT BUT HAS FOUR STUDIO CD'S AND ARE SIMILAR TO OZRIC TENTACLES AND GONG.
countdumas 1 year ago
Phil was one hell of a drummer!
very under rated..
shame he had to stop now due to back problems
rdety 2 years ago 27
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phil is a punk his solo career is all gay pop tunes. PETER ROCKS. too bad phil did not leave the band way back when
apaysys 2 years ago
@rdety Someone should take him to a chiropractor
unknownkingdom 1 year ago
@rdety it does suck,he's a very awesome drummer
blutocampbell 1 year ago
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@rdety Great holistic bands are--Melting Euphoria, Ozric Tentacles, Gong, Aphrodities Child, Magma, Jade Warrior, Eat Static, System 7, Lisa Gerrard, Dead can Dance, Stomu Yamashta, Kazumi Watanabe, Toninho Horta, Larry Coryell, Shakti, Oregon, Mother Gong, Acid Mother's Temple, Acid Mother's Gong, Magical Power Mako, Patrick Bernard, Lost at Last, Sphongle, Steve Tibbetts, Steve Hillage.
augustmaquet 9 months ago
Have you guys noticed how shredded Pete's voice is during the whole Bataclan concert? It's a bit of a shame that one of the only live recordings of this material came on a night when his voice was shot. By the time he starts Supper's Ready, he's reduced to almost a croak. Still great to see them all there on screen though- always and forever
jessicafischerqueen 2 years ago
That "bearded troll" on the drums, as faskmunch puts it, had to keep time in arrangements with multiple time signatures in the same song. One of the very best drummers of all time- and obviously so
jessicafischerqueen 2 years ago 6
Otro excelente tema incluído en el tercer álbum de Genesis: "The Return Of The Giant Hogweed"
RobayoOrtega 2 years ago
It's a shame that they didn't have footage of the whole concert to put on the "Selling England By the Pound" DVD. This looks like it would have been an amazing show to be at.
PinkFloydManiac1973 2 years ago
¡Que recuerdos! Mi adolescencia y Genesis. Imborrables.
RobayoOrtega 2 years ago
I love this, even as I am reminded of why punk happened in response to this "overly-learned rock n roll." I still love this, though.
dantean 2 years ago
This band died the day Gabriel left
Richieaurie 2 years ago
No, the band died the day that Hackett left.
EndeavorLeadGtr 2 years ago 2
@EndeavorLeadGtr Correct. Genesis survived the loss of Peter Gabriel but not the loss of Steve Hackett.
hondasfour 2 years ago 32
@hondasfour you are so correct Steve was the soul of the band All the great guitar riffs and effects just listen to the musical box or watcher of the skies marvelous guitar work Steve you rock
andyman0231 1 year ago
@hondasfour HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, loss of peter gabriel = genesis death, post pg's genesis SUCKS (except A Trick of the Tail)
linitux 1 year ago
@hondasfour This is not correct...Peter Gabriel is the soul of the group, without him, Genesis are died
thelizardking1943 1 year ago
@thelizardking1943 Actually he is right. Peter Gabriel was the soul of the group, and his influence, and feeling was still there. Genesis made two great studio albums, and one live album without him after he left. A Trick of The Tail, and Wind and Wuthering. Then they made an amazing live album Seconds Out. Steve Hackett leaves we get …And Then There Were Three… which wasn't horrible, but didn't sound the same, and then the next album they completely lost it, and we got Duke.
DavidKinner 10 months ago
@DavidKinner i agree....genesis without gabriel turned into middle of the road slop.....especially after collins got control.....i have the early albums but genesis live is the only one i still play....
buckandotis 9 months ago
@buckandotis I don't own that one I own Selling England, The Lamb, Foxtrot, Tresspass, and when I as much younger found Genesis Live The Way We Walk, and I almost wish I didn't I never play it it's pointless lol all the old ones I listen to though.
DavidKinner 9 months ago
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@DavidKinner "The high office of the President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American's freedom and before I leave office, I must inform the citizen of this plight."
~JFK
augustmaquet 9 months ago
@DavidKinner Michael Tsarion is the worlds premier conspiracy researcher/lecturer/author. p.s. Melting Euphoria is similar to Ozric Tentacles and Gong
augustmaquet 9 months ago
@hondasfour very true
plasticPlaystation 1 year ago
@hondasfour Genesis died with Peter G leaving.
oceanat9 8 months ago
@hondasfour thats your opinion. I am one who lost interest after the Lamb with Peter. :)
SRNF 8 months ago
jeezz...it's amazing how ignorant fans can be. just because they didn't continue doing prog, doesn't mean they're dead. Besides, if you asked Pete or Steve if they thought the band died after they left, they'd probably laugh in your faces.
GenesisFan01 2 years ago
Obviously the band didn't "die", because they went on and became more successful than ever. I enjoy some of the "pop" Genesis stuff, but you cannot tell me that Invisible Touch comes close to the magic of Selling England By the Pound. Pete and Steve probably would laugh in our faces, but they also lack the objective point of view of a fan of the pre-...And Then There Were Three period of the band. But without the change in direction, Genesis would not have survived the '80s. Same with YES.
EndeavorLeadGtr 2 years ago
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phil collins sux
apaysys 2 years ago
Who's that bearded troll playing the drums..Oh that's Phil Collins M Bad
flaskmunch 2 years ago 4
yeah and hes the fucking MAN!
greenblackswerl 2 years ago 5
Genesis didnt kick the world in the balls until 1972 with the relaese of Foxtrot
flaskmunch 2 years ago 5
the intro of this song has to be early shades of death metal.......would anyone agree?
Laminateddeffect 2 years ago 5
ur lost meng, thats like black sabbath which is early shades of metal, thats just charging progressive rock man
buchanangenesis 2 years ago
Not in the slightest. This is hard rocking prog, which Genesis did very well. Just listen to "The Musical Box" and "The Knife".
But death metal? That's a huge stretch. That would be like saying "You Really Got Me" is death metal, just because it was the first hard rock song, and because hard rock made heavy metal, heavy metal made metal (yes, I think there's a difference between the two), and metal branched off.
PinkFloydManiac1973 2 years ago
I'd say "heavy metal", which is the more traditional type, is a form of "metal", the all-encompassing genre which includes thrash, power, black, death, progressive and so on.
Anyway, heavy metal in general is blues-rock + progressive rock, so yes it was influential in that sense but there aren't overly many progressive death metal bands that sound like Genesis.
endlessintertwined 2 years ago
I've always considered "metal" to be all-encompassing, as you do. "Heavy metal" is heavier or more aggressive hard rock from the '70s, like "Highway Star" or "Immigrant Song", for example.
PinkFloydManiac1973 2 years ago
Did you see the tamborine bounce off the mike stand at 4:26? That could not have been planned! Somebody out there has Peter's tamborine.
pazzensutra 2 years ago 3
Wow. How nice to see Gabriel get into the music like this.
After he left Genesis I wondered if he cared for any of it and apparently he did.
So cool.
PhilistineTheArtLuvr 2 years ago
nice hit at 4:26! XD and was Steve ACTUALLY standing up at the end?! awsome friggin band, i love Genesis! 5/5
tigeraven2112 2 years ago
Yes, it must be Steve standing up. At first I thought it was Michael playing the guitar (although I do hear his bass also) but he's comming out from the left during the applause :-) - so yes, it's Steve. Cracking stuff.
gloggolyt 2 years ago
yeah! i thought exactly that but realized it wasnt Mike :)
tigeraven2112 2 years ago
how can one deny the hatred between peter and phil i can see why they split phil is a chump peter still rocking
apaysys 2 years ago
Sure about that? Phil played drums on two of Gabriel's albums.
djfabozzi 2 years ago 2
great drumming by collins! (he always did i might add). Especially in the early days of genesis with al the musical parts in it (the cage, the knife, supper is ready, etc.)
if you like his drumming style, check 'Brand X'. that was a side-project of him. He does great things there too!
Jupimgoingup 2 years ago
i agree, he really was an amazing drummer especially on this and Musical box he had great rhythm but also used the whole kit
bluesbro234 2 years ago
I think something that often gets overlooked in the transition of Genesis to a pop band is Phil Collins leaving the drumset. Obviously him taking over vocals and having more say and influence in the sound of the songs had an effect, but I am talking about his absense from the drumset. He was so good at drums and had a unique rhythym and style that suited this music perfectly. No other drummer could fill in for Collins and be as effective in keeping the style like he did. It's such a shame.
TheCorrectAnswer56 2 years ago 4
Definetly Steve Hacket was underated. What hurt the band was that the writing suffered after pete and steve left. It was a consious decision by the band to shorten the songs----and yes Mike is a great Bass plater but a terrible lead player. Still had some great moments---- Duke in particular comes to mind. Pray for the original lineup to do the Lamb!
solsburybob 2 years ago 4
It has been my dream to see the original lineup perform "the Lamb", but I don't think it's ever going to happen.
pazzensutra 2 years ago
4:26 is just a long line of Genesis tamborine antics. If you've ever seen Phil "play himself" it is unreal for a guy to be able to do that during a performance..
Hogweed and Harold the Barrel are classic Genesis jams..best band ,Pete, Phil Mike Tony and the Steve era..of all the folks that think Phil was the dictator..Steve left because he thought Tony was :-) Something Tony was surprised to hear
jdfromfla 2 years ago
4:26 hard to say whether that was intentional or not, but pretty awesome either way.
dzdarragh 2 years ago
I was thinking the same thing. No way could that have been intentional. But if so, that is pretty damn impressive.
TheCorrectAnswer56 2 years ago
amazing performance!! oh siiii :D (L)
Hilajaly 2 years ago
It just dawned on me that Gabes is a strange one.
He's nothing like he once was now. He is very mild mannered now.
denton908 2 years ago
I think he has always been mild mannered. He seems like the same guy during interviews now as he did during his backstage interviews during his time with Genesis. Everything he did on stage was purely an act. He was always a totally different (more insane) person on stage than in person, which is one of the things i like about him so much. I think he is just smart enough to know that being crazy & strange on stage is entertaining for the fans, even though he is not really like that in person.
TheCorrectAnswer56 2 years ago
You are right, but to come up with the Slipperman, well, just The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway in general, he must have had some SERIOUS ISSUES. Or just a crazy imagination.
denton908 2 years ago
I would say he has a crazy imagination. The entire Lamb album is pretty much a metaphor for some bigger, hidden journey(i have heard about sex, birth process, maybe both, among other things) He does the same thing now, using metaphors in his songs for sexual meanings (sledgehammer, shock the monkey, etc...) And hearing him talk in interviews, I find it hard to believe he is crazy in any way. I think he just knows damn well how to entertain a paying audience, slipperman being part of that.
TheCorrectAnswer56 2 years ago
Yeah, or how about "the Lamia"? (my favorite off of the Lamb) Now THAT'S something that sounds like a nightmare or something.
pazzensutra 2 years ago
I really like this song a lot, but as in most videos from this genesis era, they again used the most crappiest camera they could possibly find. I've seen videos from the 1940s which are in far more superior quality than this one. Not to mention the sound quality...
Dennismeurders 2 years ago
Best. Intro. Ever.
jamminjem714 2 years ago
And the hook to the first verse after the intro is amazing....WOW!
thomsund 2 years ago
Whilst the BIGGEST Genesis fan on the planet I cannot hack this song. Harold the barrel too!
Ill take the rest with me when I go...
tim74660 2 years ago
2:15 is good too
Gervaii 2 years ago
Steve Hacket was 1 of the most under rated guitarist of this era. And he most always sat while playing......Rutherford was a good bassist but later on his guitar work along w/Pill's dictatorship ruined them....
dhanidoberman 2 years ago
I agree that their songs' quality dropped after Hackett left, but a) Rutherford was an EXCELLENT bassist, and in fact always remained so, b) his guitar work hardly ruined them, and c) if you think Phil ever was a dictator in that band, you don't know their history. Commercial success ruined them, like it does to most bands, not Phil or Mike or anybody's playing. I do agree that Steve was highly underrated, though.
luliches 2 years ago
Good stuff ^_^ I immensly enjoy Peter's "rowdy" side. Thanks youtube for showing us something that I was not alive to see at the time!!
^And his hair! LOL It seems everyone, even PG, goes through that stage :P
bikothelyric 2 years ago
The audio is a bit hot, but this is s fantastic performance nonetheless.
madhatte73 3 years ago
That beats anything you hear played live nowadays. Totally blows you away.
KenMrshll 3 years ago 3
viva i genesis!
ITALY LOVES YOU
anveedi 3 years ago
Hackett is standing (from 3:56 onwards)!
:)
alpenkruezers 3 years ago
Yeah and I think he blinked right around
5:15 LOL
johnscck 3 years ago
Priceless clip. Such a great gutsy sound and fab song
liquidplastic62 3 years ago
What kind of Rickenbacker 4001 is Mike playing?
tigeraven2112 3 years ago
I love Genesis, but at 3.36 I just got a horrible suspicion where Atkinson found the voice for Blackadder I ;-)
(Sorry Peter)
Farweasel 3 years ago
Damn, my posts don't show, sorry if later appear.
To TheBwanaDik if you accept you don't care for lyrics don't dare to correct those of us who do care, specially when you don't know WTF you are talking about.
I'm a former musician and actual critic and lyrics are an inmportant part of a song, playing cover versions on keyboards make you better than nobody.
And stop being so arrogant, the phrase "You are right, and I am wrong, whatever" is pedant when you are wrong.
ivanprog1 3 years ago
I've seen the FOXTROT,SEBTP,TLLDOB, and other tours, these guys were the best. The idiots who call themselves musicians today could not hold a candle to these guys. Composition,talent,and imgination are lacking in music today. Their stage shows could not be beat, nor the music. I doubt there is a better keyboard player than Tony Banks, including Rudess.
borg69 3 years ago
keith emerson!
Mercyfulbloodbrother 3 years ago
where?
atomicrooster 2 years ago
Prog rock may be dead but I still love it for what it is/was.
shwailin 3 years ago
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when the wrot it they were ver ver ver ver (y) high on druggs and say a weed and made a song about it !! fucking retard brits
Simpsons2122 3 years ago
Simpsons 2122 made a retard comment.
Gabriel Genesis used to writeabout historic events, The the Giant Hogweed attack in fact happened in Victorian England, and actually is a major health problem in Northwestern USA, where it's qualified as hazardous.
No Genesis members except Phil Collins and apparently Steve Hackett (who once in a while smoked joint) used drugs. All lyrics are based in knowledge and imagination of Peter Gabriel.
If you don't know something, better don't write.
ivanprog1 3 years ago 4
It's not about that weed dude. It's about a Giant Hogweed that becomes sentient and goes around and kills everyone in a battle. Make sure you know what you're talking about before you comment.
TheBwanaDik 3 years ago
You are lost pal, read the lyrics of the song,
"Mighty Hogweed is avenged.
Human bodies soon will know our anger.
Kill them with your Hogweed hairs
HERACLEUM MANTEGAZZIANI"
As a fact HERACLEUM MANTEGAZZIANI is the scientific name of the plant also known as Giant Hogweed.
Don't try to teach me about Genesis, you can read the lyrics anywhere, so don't correct anybody unless you know what you are talking about.
ivanprog1 3 years ago
If that's not enough for you to believe, read teh part where it says:
"Fashionable country gentlemen had some cultivated wild gardens,
In which they innocently planted the Giant Hogweed throughout the land.
Botanical creature stirs, seeking revenge.
Royal beast did not forget.
Soon they escaped, spreading their seed"
Clear as water, there's no war or flesh and bones giant, it's a plant.
I'm sure about what I talk....Can you say the same?
ivanprog1 3 years ago
Of course Gabriel speaks uses a metaphore to make the sonng more dramatic, but if you read British History, you will find that it spread out of control.
ivanprog1 3 years ago
Alright dude. I don't pay as much attention to the lyrics all the time, I'm bust playing the piano parts and not focusing on that. You are right, and I am wrong, whatever.
TheBwanaDik 3 years ago
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funny video lets chat
SOMEONE TALK TO ME SL
BennyBlanco1986 3 years ago
For fuck sake! what have you gained from posting that comment? respect?, friendship?..NO! all that has happened is that even more people think you're an ignorant TWAT!
genesisrock43 3 years ago 6
Genesis, Pink floyd, supertramp, ha....
I just find funny the beginning of the song:
"...and we're proud to present you... THE RETURN OF THE GIANT HOGWEED!!!!"
2c26 3 years ago
And then the audience is completely silent.
Yep. Classic Genesis at its best. Didn't one of the members say that they liked how quiet the audience was because it meant that they were actually listening to the music?
todaystomsawyer 3 years ago
Great song and great show!! I love this formation, I prefer Peter singing even if Phil has got a wonderful voice!
666Ytreggiomen666 3 years ago
bravo, je trippe en tabarnak. attention au géant.
mab70xx 3 years ago
I loved this band when I was a teenager. Listening to this song today, I realize how ridiculous the song is.
bapyou 3 years ago