Do you have a preference for certain oils, It seems that the synthetic lubes impede starting & may lead to lower fuel economy as the engine struggles to anatomize the oil with a higher flash point.
Have you tinkered with waste tranny fluid? Either straight or blended with gas, diesel. or other solvents? You have no idea how much I enjoy your against the groove inquisitive nature regarding different blends.
@Begbucks I prefer using waste vegetable oil (WVO, because it tends to be cleaner than other waste oils, it smells better, and I feel better about burning a recycled, renewable, resource.
I have not tried burning waste synthetic oil, but if you have trouble burning it, then I would suggest adding more gasoline to your blend.
I have used small quantities of WATF. I find it works fine, it is so thin that it does not require much gasoline to thin it out, maybe 5-10%.
@Jhananda Well certainly wvo has it's advantages however in my region Baker Commodities governs the waste oil bins & seems to want to cast ownership over the contents with threats of prosecution & dealing direct with restaurants can pose problems (low quantity, heavy cubie lugging, etc,,) Likewise I can obtain WMO at any town dump or service station which has no market except perhaps during the winter as crop frost protection. Transmission shops also generate huge volumes that go to wast here.
@Jhananda btw your climate seems warmer but on Black diesel/WATF; do you start/shutdown on it in your rig or do you switch over like some do with wvo?, Also do you heat it like WVO or just pour in?
@Begbucks the winters can get down to 0F (-18c) here. I had no problem starting my engine on a blend of WVO and gasoline at 20% without a block heater. I see no reason why WMO would behave any differently.
I do not heat my fuel, nor do I startup, or shutdown on diesel fuel. I startup and shutdown on my blend.
@Jhananda Really? that low, You have the 6.2 rite, but any clue if the Powerstroke 7.3 or the pre 94 IDI 7.3 would behave similarly? (while I'm a Dodge guy; the Cummins doesn't come in the cutaway van chassis) May I ask how many miles/years would you estimate you have logged this way? I ask, because I'm interested in alternatives as a primary fuel mainly due to cost per mile.
The only issue is that any way one dices it the final tally is still .50-$1 per Gallon while good the freer the better.
@Begbucks I do not know how many miles my van has run on my blend because it came with off-sized wheels, which through off the odometer. I also have no way of accurately measuring my fuel, so mileage calculations are out as well.
I belong to several alternative fuels forums, where the 7.3 Di and IDI dominate, and many of them are running my blend, or a variant, and their engines are running great on it.
@Jhananda I didn't mean that you form a calculus of data to log your progress, just a ball park figure of your progress or in other words 10k intervals give or take. Frankly driving scrap around every mile I would do this could save me .40 so so anything helps.
Same insight for the 7.3, nothing too subjective needed lol but I'm naturally curious you know since I'm swayed more to the Ford ;)
@Begbucks My odometer says that I have put about 10,000 miles on my engine on waste oil blends in nearly 5 years, but the over-sized tires have screwed up the clock. However, I have not driven my own vehicle much in the last 5 years, because when I am doing archaeology I then tend to drive a company truck, and my van is hundreds of miles away.
@Jhananda There has to be some less expensive solvent thinners (besides trash picking or gathering gas from perhaps junkyards) out there. Did you play with the Diesel Fuel Secret or is it a scam? thats touted as a thinning agent that costs about a net .31-.46 per Gal. which is tempting.
@Begbucks Diesel Fuel Secret seems to be a scam. Gasoline seems to be the cheapest solvent I have found so far. However, if purchasing 20% of your fuel load at $3.50/gallon does not work for you, then I would suggest you look into recycling waste solvents, I have already started doing that and plan to do it as much as possible.
@Jhananda I thought so too since there was very little customer feedback besides that one hullalulboo of a page contending otherwise. As for the a basically 1/5th fuel ratio while not bad; Since partly I'm a cheapskate but also since I have an inquisitive creed which prods me to weigh options. I asked...
Sure there is junkyard gas, staler gas, & used paint thinner though not in sufficient quantities for avid driving of a truck.
@Begbucks In Tucson, AZ the local waste management people have 1 day per month when they allow people to dispose of toxic items. At that time people can also take solvents and oils if they want. You could look into the same program in your region. If one does not exist, then propose it.
@Jhananda Yes we too have a Haz-mat collect day but the quantities are meager such as 1/4 can of point thinner or such to have ample amounts to support daily driving. but trash picking around is always a start atleast to offset the brunt, speaking of which & even though there are various formulas; in your experience how does paint thinner mix with gas in either VO or WMO for instance?
@Begbucks I made up a business card and magnetic sign for the side of my van that say I recycle waste oils and solvents and put my phone# on them. I also stop in at small restaurants, mechanic's shops, small engine repair, motorcycle shops, etc., asking for waste oils and solvents to recycle.
Most solvents are equivalent to gasoline in a blend, such as paint thinner. So, use them just like you would use gasoline in a waste oil blend. Anything that dissolves into WVO will dissolve into WMO.
@Jhananda Promotional material is always a great idea. Anyway not to prod you after all there is only perhaps 1/2 dozen WMO'ers out there in youtube land it seems since most are the "Bio-Fuel" crowd, all fuzzy & neat but logistically impractical as I have mentioned. When you get the chance it would be curious to see for sure how the plethora of solvents you tested on VO would perform with WMO or WATF if you get some.
I use in my VW Passat 1.6D 1986, 85% mix WMO/15% RUG. So far I have moved around 35,000 miles and I have no problems. If my car a little more smoky, add little RUG, and smoke disappears. I saved money on this stuf, now i can buy 2 more Pasat's.
Do you have a preference for certain oils, It seems that the synthetic lubes impede starting & may lead to lower fuel economy as the engine struggles to anatomize the oil with a higher flash point.
Have you tinkered with waste tranny fluid? Either straight or blended with gas, diesel. or other solvents? You have no idea how much I enjoy your against the groove inquisitive nature regarding different blends.
Begbucks 4 months ago
@Begbucks I prefer using waste vegetable oil (WVO, because it tends to be cleaner than other waste oils, it smells better, and I feel better about burning a recycled, renewable, resource.
I have not tried burning waste synthetic oil, but if you have trouble burning it, then I would suggest adding more gasoline to your blend.
I have used small quantities of WATF. I find it works fine, it is so thin that it does not require much gasoline to thin it out, maybe 5-10%.
Jhananda 4 months ago
@Jhananda Well certainly wvo has it's advantages however in my region Baker Commodities governs the waste oil bins & seems to want to cast ownership over the contents with threats of prosecution & dealing direct with restaurants can pose problems (low quantity, heavy cubie lugging, etc,,) Likewise I can obtain WMO at any town dump or service station which has no market except perhaps during the winter as crop frost protection. Transmission shops also generate huge volumes that go to wast here.
Begbucks 4 months ago
@Begbucks We have the same problems here. Good to know you have found sources of waste oil. I continue to find more than I need right now.
Jhananda 4 months ago
@Jhananda btw your climate seems warmer but on Black diesel/WATF; do you start/shutdown on it in your rig or do you switch over like some do with wvo?, Also do you heat it like WVO or just pour in?
Begbucks 4 months ago
@Begbucks the winters can get down to 0F (-18c) here. I had no problem starting my engine on a blend of WVO and gasoline at 20% without a block heater. I see no reason why WMO would behave any differently.
I do not heat my fuel, nor do I startup, or shutdown on diesel fuel. I startup and shutdown on my blend.
Jhananda 4 months ago
@Jhananda Really? that low, You have the 6.2 rite, but any clue if the Powerstroke 7.3 or the pre 94 IDI 7.3 would behave similarly? (while I'm a Dodge guy; the Cummins doesn't come in the cutaway van chassis) May I ask how many miles/years would you estimate you have logged this way? I ask, because I'm interested in alternatives as a primary fuel mainly due to cost per mile.
The only issue is that any way one dices it the final tally is still .50-$1 per Gallon while good the freer the better.
Begbucks 4 months ago
@Begbucks I do not know how many miles my van has run on my blend because it came with off-sized wheels, which through off the odometer. I also have no way of accurately measuring my fuel, so mileage calculations are out as well.
I belong to several alternative fuels forums, where the 7.3 Di and IDI dominate, and many of them are running my blend, or a variant, and their engines are running great on it.
Jhananda 4 months ago
@Jhananda I didn't mean that you form a calculus of data to log your progress, just a ball park figure of your progress or in other words 10k intervals give or take. Frankly driving scrap around every mile I would do this could save me .40 so so anything helps.
Same insight for the 7.3, nothing too subjective needed lol but I'm naturally curious you know since I'm swayed more to the Ford ;)
Begbucks 4 months ago
@Begbucks My odometer says that I have put about 10,000 miles on my engine on waste oil blends in nearly 5 years, but the over-sized tires have screwed up the clock. However, I have not driven my own vehicle much in the last 5 years, because when I am doing archaeology I then tend to drive a company truck, and my van is hundreds of miles away.
Jhananda 3 months ago
@Jhananda 10k My; That's quite a success I would say.
Begbucks 3 months ago
@Jhananda There has to be some less expensive solvent thinners (besides trash picking or gathering gas from perhaps junkyards) out there. Did you play with the Diesel Fuel Secret or is it a scam? thats touted as a thinning agent that costs about a net .31-.46 per Gal. which is tempting.
Begbucks 4 months ago
@Begbucks Diesel Fuel Secret seems to be a scam. Gasoline seems to be the cheapest solvent I have found so far. However, if purchasing 20% of your fuel load at $3.50/gallon does not work for you, then I would suggest you look into recycling waste solvents, I have already started doing that and plan to do it as much as possible.
Jhananda 4 months ago
@Jhananda I thought so too since there was very little customer feedback besides that one hullalulboo of a page contending otherwise. As for the a basically 1/5th fuel ratio while not bad; Since partly I'm a cheapskate but also since I have an inquisitive creed which prods me to weigh options. I asked...
Sure there is junkyard gas, staler gas, & used paint thinner though not in sufficient quantities for avid driving of a truck.
Begbucks 4 months ago
@Begbucks In Tucson, AZ the local waste management people have 1 day per month when they allow people to dispose of toxic items. At that time people can also take solvents and oils if they want. You could look into the same program in your region. If one does not exist, then propose it.
Jhananda 4 months ago
@Jhananda Yes we too have a Haz-mat collect day but the quantities are meager such as 1/4 can of point thinner or such to have ample amounts to support daily driving. but trash picking around is always a start atleast to offset the brunt, speaking of which & even though there are various formulas; in your experience how does paint thinner mix with gas in either VO or WMO for instance?
Begbucks 4 months ago
@Begbucks I made up a business card and magnetic sign for the side of my van that say I recycle waste oils and solvents and put my phone# on them. I also stop in at small restaurants, mechanic's shops, small engine repair, motorcycle shops, etc., asking for waste oils and solvents to recycle.
Most solvents are equivalent to gasoline in a blend, such as paint thinner. So, use them just like you would use gasoline in a waste oil blend. Anything that dissolves into WVO will dissolve into WMO.
Jhananda 4 months ago
@Jhananda Promotional material is always a great idea. Anyway not to prod you after all there is only perhaps 1/2 dozen WMO'ers out there in youtube land it seems since most are the "Bio-Fuel" crowd, all fuzzy & neat but logistically impractical as I have mentioned. When you get the chance it would be curious to see for sure how the plethora of solvents you tested on VO would perform with WMO or WATF if you get some.
Begbucks 4 months ago
@Begbucks So far all of the solvents that worked with WVO seem to work with WMO, but I am planning on demonstrating that with a video.
Jhananda 4 months ago
@Jhananda Cool, I subbed ;)
Begbucks 4 months ago
@Jhananda 5-10% RUG to WATF ~ cool.
Begbucks 4 months ago
I use in my VW Passat 1.6D 1986, 85% mix WMO/15% RUG. So far I have moved around 35,000 miles and I have no problems. If my car a little more smoky, add little RUG, and smoke disappears. I saved money on this stuf, now i can buy 2 more Pasat's.
alexa795 7 months ago
@alexa795 Good to read that Black diesel works with your engine. More messages from people who are burning black diesel would help these videos.
Jhananda 7 months ago