THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AN INDEPENDENT TURKIC COUNTRY OR KINGDOM CALLED AZERBAIJAN BEFORE 1918, IN FACT THE FIRST TURKIC TRIBES ARRIVED IN CAUCUSES AND ANATOLIA IN THE 12 CENTURY FROM ASIA KNOWN AS THE SELJUK TURKS. THERE WAS CAUCASIAN ALBANIA WHICH WAS A CHRISTIAN PEOPLE WHO WERE TURKIFIED AND FORCED INTO ISLAM. THESE ARE FACTS WHICH CANNOT BE ARGUED. ON THE OTHER HAND ARMENIANS HAVE LIVED IN ANATOLIA AND THE CAUCUSES FOR 3 THOUSAND YEARS YET AZERI WANT TO CLAIM KARABAGH HAHA GO READ A BOOK
Great great video , I am Iranian azari from Tehran , my ancestors fought and died for Iran and Persian Identity , thank you for this video from our Armenian brother , long live our Aryan culture and Identity
The Medes were an people of Indo-Iranian (Aryan) origin who inhabited the western and north-western portion of present-day Iran. By the 6th century BC (prior to the Persian invasion) the Medes were able to establish an empire that stretched from Aran (the modern-day Republic of Azerbaijan) to Central Asia and Afghanistan. Today's population of the western part of the Iranian Plateau (including many Persian-speakers, Kurds and Azeris) consider themselves to be descended from the ancient Medes.
@atila1364 haray haray man turk NISTam - AZARABADAGAN - biz şimali iranı çok özləmişik...inşallah bir gün olar şimali iran vətənimizə yenidən bağlanar. We Azaris are Iranians and loyal to our Persian race and culture.
People's self designation of Baku Province of Russian Empire was "Tatar". That is how they are documented in all books, official documents, poems, etc...
@BeautySavesWorld "Tatar" is the Russian and Western designation. The historic designation has been the Persian names Shirvan (Ganja), Arran (Baku), and Azarbaijan (Tabriz)
Everyone know that it is an Azerbaijan territory where you live Tabriz,Karabagh, Derbent,Irevan.And you "pers" And you "armenian" have to know it exatly,
But be sure that this is temporary invasion.We will get back our territory.
AZ-name of the proud ER-Bold man BAY-great JAN-heart))))
@Enorist Be more specific please: everyone in modern-day Caucasian Azerbaijan know it. Everyone from Herodotus, to the Roman emperors, to the Arabian sultans to the Byzantine emperors, to the Persian shahs, to the Russian tsars to all of the modern states (except Pakistan), know that the region is Armenian. And unlike you, I have documents from each to prove it (which I will soon publish in a video).
@Arzive I am more specific you may say everything you want.And when you find this proves please don't share video which suitable for you or for Armenia share REAL historycal video then you will see who is the owner___
@Enorist We can both say whatever we want as much as we want, but it's the one who speaks with evidence who is really saying something. The other one is just dangling his head convincing no one but himself. I can't wait to see what "real history" I'm about to learn. Please teach me. Believe me, I've scraped the bottom of every non-Aliyev/Pashayev source I can, I can't seem to find what you're talking about.
@Arzive I can't change your mind,even if I show you evidence.Be sure it is something that we cannot change it.And I think we have to finish this dispute.It is an political war and we don't have to join.
@Enorist Believe me, I've changed my mind numerous times, and not without Azerbaijani input. I know I can't change your mind because you have a pre-determined opinion infused in your brain by a president who insults other nations' people and throws in jail people in his country who oppose him, the way they did in the Middle Ages. In the 21st century, it's all about being open minded. So go ahead, give it your best shot. Educate me. I want my mind to be changed.
@Arzive I am enough open-minded and don't educate me please)))))I am Azerbaijan turk I Know my history and believe in it.Nobody can change my mind.If you think that you are right,I respect your mind.And I wait esteem to my mind from others...Maybe you think I am afraid from your evidences be sure It is not so, because I AM AZERBAIJAN TURK
nations with no history trying to falcificate Azerbaijani history ... Azerbaijanians are o riginal TURKs, and have same roots with other turks. and the word Azerbaijan is related with the name of Khazarian impere ( khazar turks ) .
@tuna990 Azerbaijanis don't know their own history: Azerbaijan has nothing to do with Khazars. It derives from Atropatene as mentioned in these videos. The Khazar Turks never conquered Azerbaijan. They conquered Caucasian Albania, Georgia and Armenia.
Also, DNA proves that Azerbaijanis are NOT original Turks. Their DNA proves they are 75% original Caucasians and 25% original Turks (% intentionally generalized, although not far from truth).
I'd like to specify the fact that in this comment, I referred to Caucasian Azerbaijanis and not Iranian Azerbaijanis, as they are two different ethnic groups: Iranian Azerbaijani DNA proves they are closer to Persians than Caucasian Azerbaijanis, whereas Caucasian Azerbaijani DNA proves they are closer to Armenians and Georgians than Iranian Azerbaijanis.
@Arzive You need to look at Khazars map... During arab invansion in that places lived khazar turks ,and the name of Azerbaijan is related with them, most of them ,afterwards adopted islam. Khaz-ar ( Kas -er (brave in turkish)) .The name of Caspian (Khazar in Azerbaijani)Sea , Caucasian ( Kaf-Kas) mauntain is with their names.
Azerbaijanians are Turks -100% and PROUD OF THIS!!!
@tuna990 : The name comes from Khazar Turks??? What drugs are you on kid? Go read the real history - it's out there. There's no excuse for stupidity. Atropat was a Persian nobleman; the name comes from Atropat + kan = Azerbaijan. That history is well-documented. Moreover, the Azerbaijan government, as of last year, admitted to this fact. You can't fool everyone. How many different versions of this lie do you want to tell?
You persians and armenians late and soon will have to accept the truth about Azerbaijanians !!! Its obvious to everybody how persians and armenians Be OBJECTIVE ABOUT AZERBAIJANI HISTORY!!! Who have their own interests in falcification the truth about Azerbaijanians
The most well known historians throughout the Eastern World were the Greeks and the Arabs. Both sources agree that Turkic peoples live in Azerbaijan and Northwestern Iran since at least the third Century AD. Lets not forget teh Khazars who were Turkic people, and are considered the origins of modern Azerbaijanis. The Khazars ruled Northwestern Iran for years and fought the Umayyad Arab Empire for tens of years, the Arab-Khazar wars are well known. Lets talk common sense please.
@anarmehtievful Khazars have nothing to do with Azerbaijani. Oghuz turkic migration to the asia minor only starts from 10-11th century. Unless you want to call yourself initially iranian albanian and say that only your language has changed and u lived there for thousands of years....
@lifemaster1g The Oguz started to migrate in the third century AD, the Khazars are Kypchak Turkic tribes who ruled Azerbaijan, Armenia, and even Northwestern Iran and fought against the Muslim Arab Umayyad Empire to defend the region from Islamization. Many people get assimilated and many people stay the same. All Persians are not pure, but many are of Arab origins, Turkic origins, Greek, Georgian, and of Armenian origins, and the same apply to Armenians. Armenia became independent in 1991 only.
@anarmehtievful Armenia had several independent kingdoms, Greater Armenia, Bagratid Armenia, Cilician Armenia, and self governed autonomous regions such as Artsakh, unlike Azeris.
3rd century is a joke that you can tell to other people. Its 10th.
@lifemaster1g Since 800 BCE-1991 AD, all the Armenian kingdoms were part of the greater superpowers of the region at the time; such greater empires include the Akhaemenids, Sassanids, Romans, Byzantines, Khazars, Parthians, Macedonians, Umayyads, Abbasids, Qara-Qoyunlus, Aq-qoyunlus, Safavids, Qajars, Afsharids, Timurids, Mongols, Ilkhanids, Seljuks, Ottomans, Czar-Russians, and finally USSR. Proof me wrong!
@lifemaster1g I don't think that you want to argue with someone who has a PhD in history! I am more than sure that you had NOT answered my question! Since the Kingdom of Armenia had ruled modern Azerbaijan, Northwestern Iran, Georgia, Anatolia, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Israel, & Jordan, Where were the ancient Phoenicians, Assyrians, Akkadians, Babylonians, Achaemenids, Medians, Scythians, Khazars, Parthians? On the Moon or on Mars? Dude, please, lost nations always claim others' works!
@anarmehtievful This is a tactic that Caucasian Azerbaijanis use continuously. They don't answer your question, and accuse you of not answering theirs when in fact, you answered everything. I don't understand what kind of self-respect they have for doing this. Maybe they don't realize they do it. Maybe they were trained for it in Caucasian Azerbaijani schools in order to maintain the Aliyev brainwash and not be affected by the truth.
@lifemaster1g Moreover, the Armenian kingdoms never ruled Syria, Lebanon, Israel, and parts of Iraq. If that was true, where were the Phoenicians of Lebanon, Cannanites of Palestine, Arameans of Syria, Medians of Northwestern Iraq and Iraq, and the Babylonians and the Assyrians of Iraq? Were these ancient peoples on Mars or on the Moon? I am afraid that the Armenians were the ones to built the Persian cities 1501-1828, and the Great wall of China, and mabe the US Congress as well!
@lifemaster1g Also, add to your information, the original homeland of the Armenians is Eastern Anatolia, Turkey, nowadays, not modern Armenia. Moreover, the Urartu language was NOT an Indo-European language like Armenian, but rather its vocabularies, grammar, sentence structures, and morpholopgy are extreme similar to Northeastern Caucasian language, in particular to Chechen, Avar, and Lezgi languages of Dagestan and Chechnya of the Russian Federation nowadays.
@anarmehtievful Well no one claim urartian language is Armenian but the language used in Urartu was Armenian. And the next direct independent kingdom that was established in the same region was Armenia, which means it is the closest to us.
@lifemaster1g The Kingdom of Bagratunid Armenia was founded by Ashot Msakher Bagratuni in 885AD-1045AD with its capital at Bagaran. The Bagratunid Armenian Kingdom was an Autonomous Kingdom of the Abbasid Arab Empire. In 890AD, Ashot died and his son Smbat became the new king; Abbasid Arab militaries but an end to the Armenian revolutions lead by Smabt in 901 AD; many of Smbat 's Armenian allies turned against him. Armenia remained a vassal Kingdom of the Arabs until the Mongols invasion 1230 AD
@lifemaster1g The Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia was founded by Ruben Bagratuni in 1080AD-1375AD with its capital at Tarsus. The immigration of Armenians increased in the 11th Century AD due to Seljuk expansions towards Anatolia; during its existance, the Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia was a vassal state of the Turkic Seljuk & Mamluke Empires, the Crusaders of France and Italy, and finally the Abbasid Arab Empire, Kurdish Ayubid Empire, and finally the Mongol Ilkhanid Empire in 1300's.
@lifemaster1g The Kingdom of Greater Armenia was founded in 331BC-428AD by Tigranes Orontid with its capital at Yervandashat; throughout its existance, the kingdom was vassal state of the following Empires: Scythia, Cimmeria, Media, Achaemenid, Parthia, Sassanid, Seleucid, Macedonia, Assyria, Byzantine, & Roman. Moreover, the kingdom was ruled by the Parthian Arsacid Dynasty 54AD-428AD. The Orontid Dynasty ruled 331BC-54AD. Armenia is the Greek name of the region, What independence!!!!!!
The Medes are Iranian speaking people, whose language is completely differs from Persian. The modern Kurds are descendants of the Medes. It is impossible for any nation on earth to forget its language, culture, and become completely different nation. Again, it is all Iranian propaganda against Azerbaijan and against Turkic peoples. Persians must take a look at their language, cuisine, culture, religions, and even names, all are heavily influenced by Arabs. So Persians are Arabs then?
@IrishItalian10 Hahahahaha, I already go to school, kiddo, and I do much better than you would if you decided to go to school for once instead of playing with yourself.
You can't finish what you start. Don't post bullshit comments and except for no one to reply back, idiot.
@IrishItalian10 You're telling me to stop watching "Armenian propaganda" and yet you're the one who took the time to look this video up. Lol, fucking pussy.
@IrishItalian10 Lol wow, you tell me to stop insulting "your" ethnicity and now you're telling me to "fuck my Armenian boyfriend"? I'm into women; I'm a normal person, unlike yourself. Goddamn, you write like a 10-year old and it sounds like this is the first time that you've heard of the word "troll". Last time I checked, there aren't any legitimate ones on this website anymore. Go play with yourself, kiddo. You're too young to understand history...
@IrishItalian10 You're either a Turk from NY or a local ass clown who only learned one side of the story from one of your Turkish buddies. Enjoy the pollution in "beautiful" NYC, asshole.
@IrishItalian10 Lmfao, politically motivated? Arzive got these facts from Iranica, which is a non-Armenian based website on Iranian history and other things related to Iranians. Check thoroughly before posting idiotic comments, ya fuckin' mic.
@TheChelseaFEVER : What have you been smoking? Never mind: I checked your channel - It's Turkish opium; that's why you can't read maps, or books. Just remember that swimming to Mongolia will not be fun for you.
@IranHistory Man Turk And Persian is different . Azeris , from Atropatene are In The South , But Even the are mixed with Turks . North Was Turkic From Khazar Era.
Albania , is not Azerbaijan . Azerbaijan Are - Seldjuks And Atabeqs .And the Fact That Turks Once owned Persia - Akkoyunlu. This is What is azeri .
Our Nation Goes Back to Diyarbakir . Today Turkey . That is why Turkey and Us Are Bound By 1000 of years of Turkic Ownage .
@IranHistory Agreed. Mind you, these videos show the history of true (Iranian) Azerbaijan, not the fairy tale history written by the Aliyev dynasty and its predecessors to justify their thievery.
@Arzive : Oh, I'm well aware of the Aliyev clan's panturkic/KGB brainwashing tactics and the history of their "leadership" in fabricating an identity and brainwashing masses of people. Heydar Aliyev was a Soviet KBG propaganda officer -- and like others before him -- fabricated history books to indoctrinate young people. Basically he was a 'Soviet-Attaturk' hybrid. The truth is that "Azerbaijanis" (whatever that term means) don't even know who they really are or where they came from.
@Arzive Encyclopedia Iranica writes what is advantageous to Iran. For example, it is commonly known that the Midian language belongs to the nonliterate, ie we don't posese a single word in Midian, which we could identify. However, it is supposed to be Iranian-lingual. In the Sumerian language, fot instance, there are many hundreds of Turkic words, but europecentrists refuse these languages not only in kinship, but also in the neighborhood. What kind of objectivity can we talk?
@Vatancin But linguists consider Median language as north-western Iranian along with Kurdish, Balochi and several others. Anyway it can't been Turkic. About Sumerian - it is historical revisionism claiming that Sumerian was Turkic language.It is just hypothesis. There are common words between Armenian and Basque but they can't be Armenian.Georgians also consider their language as direct descendant of Sumerian. There is good aphorism that every nation wants to trace his history back to Sumerians.
I understand that it is unpleasant for you, an Armenian, all mention of Turks. But the truth is that there is no example of the Midian language. And Midians are not part of the group of Kurdish, Baluchi languages , but Kurdish, Baluchi, paradoxically, considered to be successors of unknow Midian language. History is the most politicized science, unfortunately, that so skillfully uses Artzive and other armenian uses to justify their territorial claims
@Vatancin I repeat that science doesn't accept Median language to be Turkic. You are right about history and its falsification is policy in Azerbaijan.
@everythingisahead You are right, science accept Median language to be iranian without proof, as an axiom, the truth that does not require proof. That's why I talked about the politicization of historical science. And you responded like a real armenian, once again kicked Azerbaijan. But you do not understand that this phrase discredit yourself, not Azerbaijanis.
@Vatancin Azerbaijanis has already discredited themselves by claiming that there were no Armenians in Transcaucasia and Yerevan was Azerbaijani city tough Yerevan has never been a part of any political entity with the name 'Azerbaijan'. Also there are churches were built long before 19th century and 20 km western of Yerevan is located Etchmiadzin the center of Christianity and Catholicosat since 4th century.
@everythingisahead This mouse fuss bothers, in absence of arguments armenians yell - you are a fool)). One makes happy, that these proarmenian videos watch exceptionally armenians, who eat and overcook any falsification of Azerbaijan history, culture, traditions, everything.
@Vatancin I have many arguments how you claim Yerevan as Azerbaijanian city and ignoring the presence of Armenian churches long before the 19th century. This videos also watch Azerbaijanis who get very much angry and began insulting Armenians. Also absolute majority of them have a strange habit writing the word Armenia with small letter.
@everythingisahead It seems he thinks he's doing his nation good by disgracing Armenians by typing "Armenia" without a capital "A." Or maybe he thinks we'll get insulted by it. It's just a pitiful way of finding a sense of accomplishment. I type Azerbaijan with a capital "A" because I was over childish hate games when I was 7 years old. The biggest problem while arguing with Azerbaijanis is that they don't respect their opponents, but one must learn to respect to be respected.
@Arzive If you're referring to me, in all my posts Armenia is written with capital letters, armenians - with a lowercase letter .If you're referring to azerbaijanians as a whole, I would be able to comment with great success your armenian user 194poka. By the way, none of you did not respond to his idiocy. Silence is a sign of agreement?
@Vatancin Yes, you will find some disrespectful Armenians, like any other nation. But I've managed to speak in a civilized manner with many Turks or Georgians, but I've only come across 1 Azeri who is not chicken like Shirvan or disrespectful like you. By no means do I want to insult your nation, but with people like ignorant and bigmouth Pashayeva as a leader in debates, I'm not surprised.
@Arzive Sorry, but it is your attitude toward meis disrespectful and even boorish , not mine. And at the same time you call me disrespectful. The typical manner of behavior for the armenian opponents.
Простите, но именно Вы позволяете себе неуважительное и даже хамское отношение ко мне, а не я к Вам. И при этом называете меня неуважительной. Характерная манера поведения для армянских оппонентов.
@Arzive I pointed to general distortion of history of Azerbaijan first of all by armenian users. You can liked or disliked, but it does not give a right neither to you to lifemaster and others to to be a boor
.
Я указала на повсеместное искажение истории Азербайджана в первую очередь армянскими пользователями. Вам это может нравиться или не нравиться, но это не дает право ни Вам, ни lifemaster и прочим хамить.
@Arzive Если Вы имеете в виду меня, то в моих сообщения везде Армения написана с заглавной буквы, со строчной буквы написано армяне.
Если Вы имеете в виду азербайджанцев в целом, я могла бы с большим успехом прокомментировать вашего армянского юзера 194poka. Кстати, никто из вас никак не отреагировал на его маразм. Молчание- знак согласия?
@Arzive My parenting was perfect, I do not need your educational advices , believe me. You'd better address your educational speech to your compatriot 194poka.
Мое воспитание было безупречным, в Ваших воспитательных советах не нуждаюсь, уж поверьте. Лучше адресуйте Вашу воспитательную речь Вашему соотечественнику 194poka
@Vatancin Funny enough, you're the one who is calling Armenians "fools" (using other words), calling historians (scientists as you call them) "fools" and any source or evidence Armenians and other historians show "foolish." The one calling everyone else a "fool" is the fool himself.
Надоела мышиная возня. При отсутствии аргументов армяне восклицают- сам дурак. Единственное утешение, что эти проармянские видео смотрят исключительно сами армяне, которые едят и переваривают любые фальсификации азербайджанской истории, культуры, традиций, всего.
@Vatancin There is also no record of a Turkic people before the 6th century AD. "History is a politicized science" in this context is a misunderstanding of the actual situation. History is based on what ancient people have left behind (yes, these ancient people were politically biased, but that doesn't mean they lied about peoples' languages). Whatever that isn't is based on scientific research and reasoning. The rest is what you're doing right now -- the part you can call "political."
For example, assuming we have absolutely no idea what Medes spoke. However, we know what Atropats spoke (what we call "Old Azari"). We also know that Atropatene is "Media Atropatene" or "Media Minor" (it's an offshoot of Media, created by its division). Believe me, if these Atropat Medes were once Turks, they'd have a word or two left from Turkic, which they don't. Old Azari is clearly an Iranian language, therefore, its ancestor, Median, is undeniably also Iranian. This is primitive reasoning
@Vatancin Well if you're going to go against every single historical source since several centuries before Jesus Christ all the way down to this day, it is up to you. Atropats were called Medes all the way to the Arab invasion, to their Turkification.
@Arzive : I can read in Old-Azari: It's a Persian (Non-Turkic) dialect. I have thousands of historical documents, stone carvings, and citations. Only recently Turki-fied people think that Azerbaijan is Turkish. Check my site on the left side of the page and you will see some information there. Good video.
@IranHistory No , Not Rescently . Azeris From Atropatene Are in South Azerbaijan . They Are Persina - Turkic.
North Azerbaijan , Comes From Khazars and The Seljuk Rule . South and North Are not the same , No MAtter how We Try. This is why there were many Iranian - Azeri Rulers of Persia, Such as Shah Ismail Khatai , And other Safavi Rulers .
@Vatancin Oh please... you're talking about the Sun Theory (or its variants)... I have nothing to say. I suppose you also think Caucasian Albanians were Turkic as well. You'd be ridiculed on any level if you presented this idea to a linguist or historian.
Presenting the Sun Theory in a modern discussion about linguistics and history, is similar to presenting the idea of a flat Earth to astronomers today. It's a debunked, refuted and unambiguously rejected theory, used only to successfully assimilate non-Turkic elements during the Turkic nationalism of Turkey and Azerbaijan in WWI (for example, to create a "Turkic past" of Kurds - the "mountain Turks"). Uneducated Azerbaijanis still cling to it because it justifies the absurd claims of their state
@Arzive If you are interested in history, then you should know that Albania included 26 tribes, including Turkic. But now it is not about Albania, you take the conversation aside.
The only known word in Median is median name Spako ("dog" in the Median is "spako"). Etymologized Turkic - a dog. (Russian sobaka is borrowed from Turkic)
@Vatancin Yes, and every other language in the world also derives from an ancient form of Turkic as well, right?
The first Turkic peoples to arrive in the Caucasus were the Khazar Turks 1 or 2 centuries before the arrival of Seljuq Turks. The only other side of the question is the Azerbaijani side. There is no source, whether it be Middle Eastern, European, Jewish, Iranian, Chinese, Russians, or even Central Asian Turks that will say Albanians, Medes or Sumerians were Turks,only ignorant Azeris
@Vatancin OK. I'm eagerly waiting for this "reference." Keep in mind, Khorenatsi lived in the 5th century (or a few centuries later -- but definitely before the arrival of Turks in the Middle East).
@Arzive lol so funny to see these Azeris mystify reality. Obviously they are a nation with lost identity, and such a circumstance would suit their fraudulent version of history. This is why for them history is a "paradox" , how ells are they going to fool themselves into believing that they are cultural and genetical successors to the Albanians and Turks at the same time :p
@Arzive They’re just jealous cause we outlived them all and this is why we are still Armenians (against all odds) and we'll be so long after they’ve changed identities for the thousandth time.
@Vatancin According to ignorant Azeris, Armenians were initially a union of Turkic tribes, until the Hay people came and took over the Armenians, inheriting their name. When I read this, I understood that absurdity in Caucasian Azerbaijan is beyond the political level -- it's purely cynical.
@Arzive History is full paradoxes. İt is difficult to consider modern greeks to be direct descendants of ancient hellenes, and impossible to consider frenches and italians to be direct heirs of ancient Rome. Every nation has undergone global changes But, in opinion of armenians, it nowise does not behave to armenians.
@Vatancin Not really. History is based on archeological evidence, and logical reasoning. Sure, there are mysteries that need to be solved, but those are not paradoxes. The only paradoxes in history are those claims that are forced into history in order to politically justify certain nations' existences (such as Southern Slavs who pretend to be Macedonians, or C.Azerbaijanis pretending to be three nations at once).
@Vatancin And if you don't want to admit that the Modern Greeks are descendants of Ancient Greeks, or the French are descendants of Ancient Franks, I have one simple question for you: who, then, are the ancestors of these modern people? Why is it paradoxical for Ancient Greeks (who spoke an earlier version of Modern Greek) to be the ancestors of modern Greeks, but non-paradoxical for the Mannai (who weren't even Iranian nor Turkic) to be ancestors of the modern Azeris?
@Arzive i answered your question...Who are ancestors modern Azerbaijani people....Azerbaijani people are descendants Turcomans and aborigen people precisely Medes and Caucasus Albanians...What do you want to prove...???...are you armenian,,,if you armenian then i can understand overall why you took place this video..))
@Vatancin You're just trying to take the fact that the past is mysterious, to debunk established understandings of the past, in order to make an opening for you to make absurd claims that break all laws of logic and reasoning.
Video is compiled by -Armenian, not Russian or Englishman, or Japanese.and that's it. Armenian will never treat objectively either Azerbaijan, nor its history. Broken falsification and compilation of facts.
@Vatancin Your argument is a fallacy. Simply because this is an Armenian channel, it doesn't mean this video's information is invalid. You can verify what's said in the Encyclopædia Iranica, and various other English and [non-Soviet] Russian sources.
история АЗЕРБАИДЖАНА..РОЖДЕН 1918, назвали азерам 1934 г, ДАТА СМЕРТИ 2013 г. В 2014 г дезинфекция територий временного проживание АЗИКОВ. 1915 г ЯЗЫК азиков ЗАЧИСЛЕН В список МЕРТВЫХ ЯЗЫКОВ. 1000 охорми. ох цанр лини
I see it completely worthless to argue with you since you have no clue about history. Azeri language contains both ancient Pahlavi and Turkic words. The reason Azeri language contains Turkic words is because of the Turkification that happened in 11th century. Azeris derive from ancient Medians.
Media heirs are Kurds. In Azeris no history, they are imposters nomads from Central Asia. and no relation to these lands have not. until 1918 they were the Transcaucasian Turks. but only in 1936 Stalin called them Azeris. that in the future claim on Iranian soil. Azerbaijan is a fake state! and everything in this country based on lies.
As for the change of its borders in the ancient times, it changed more than it's depicted. I understand, you can't show every border it had, but I'm just saying that there is more than what this video is showing, respectively.
@WorldHistory000 Yes, but every state changed borders all the time. If we were to make a video including all the borders, it would require an entire video about borders only. The map I show is the definitive, perfectly representative map of Atropatene, based on my research. If you look carefully, my map does reach the Caspian Sea (Cadusii), unfortunately, the greener/mountainous regions are less apparent.
I have nothing against this video except for the borders it's depicting. It's false. Even though, you took based on what some google pictures refer it to, it is still wrong. Most ancient maps show Azerbaijan as having Gilan province, Lenkeran province, etc. However, in this photoshopped map, it doesn't show any of it. Cadusi province was part of ancient Azerbaijan, as well.
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The territory did change over the past fews year of its ancient history, but it changed more than you showed it. Some sources prove the Azeris ruled over the Caucasian area, also for decades until the Selecuid invasion, our kingdom got smaller in size of border.
@WorldHistory000 I didn't show every border the kingdom had. Although Atropatene grew bigger in size sometimes, it was for very short times, and most of the time, they incorporated other kingdoms that were not Atropat of origin. The smaller map I showed is the smallest the kingdom got, when the Armenian Empire abolished the Seleucid Empire and conquered Atropatene for a few decades. Also, don't forget that this is only the first video of the series.
@WorldHistory000 You do not Azeris, You Transcaucasian Turks. all his life stealing, telling lies provocation. You have no history, no culture, no language, no alphabet, no ancestors. you are impostors. nomads from Central Asia. for 92 years of existence, be engaged by rewriting history, you never existed as a state. All in Azerbaijan falsification. You live in the lands of the Armenians, Lezgins, Udine, Talysh, Kurds ..
@Sati675 Forget "Azerbaijan." Medes were a predominant Iranian people who arrived in the Iranian plateau in the Bronze/Iron age. They don't exist today, but two main nations that branched off from the Medes survived, namely Kurds and Atropats. For the rest of the history of Atropats and/or Azerbaijanis, I will let the follow-ups of this video to explain it.
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The written facts are correct, but the picture is wrong. Azeri kingdom was bigger than the way you show on the video. You photoshopped it into a smaller size, so you suscribers would think that Azerbaijan was small in the past. Just so everybody knows, the Azeri kingdom was bigger and in size than the way this video depicts it. It actually cover the Gilan area, Nakhchivan [at times], Karabakh [at times], Lenkeran area, and more of to the west of Urmia lake.
@WorldHistory000 In fact, I literally took the most popular maps that show Atropaten and photoshopped them to the exact size that they are represented on those maps. Please refer to maps before trying to blow up your history like a balloon. For example, type "Atropatene" in Google Images, and look at the majority of maps. I was very careful to not incorporate my personal bias into these videos.
@WorldHistory000 Media heirs are Kurds. In Azeris no history, they are imposters nomads from Central Asia. and no relation to these lands have not. until 1918 they were the Transcaucasian Turks. but only in 1936 Stalin called them Azeris. that in the future claim on Iranian soil. Azerbaijan is a fake state! and everything in this country based on lies.
@WorldHistory000 Hey nomadic your Turkis tribe nothing to do with Media has not. Media heirs are Kurds, Talysh! and Azerbaijan has never existed before 1918. ! stole the title from the Iranian city Aderbizhan that in the future claim on Iranian soil. State you received from the Bolsheviks, the Communists in 1918, and the nationality of Azerbaijanis in 1936! Before that you were the Transcaucasian Turks.
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THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AN INDEPENDENT TURKIC COUNTRY OR KINGDOM CALLED AZERBAIJAN BEFORE 1918, IN FACT THE FIRST TURKIC TRIBES ARRIVED IN CAUCUSES AND ANATOLIA IN THE 12 CENTURY FROM ASIA KNOWN AS THE SELJUK TURKS. THERE WAS CAUCASIAN ALBANIA WHICH WAS A CHRISTIAN PEOPLE WHO WERE TURKIFIED AND FORCED INTO ISLAM. THESE ARE FACTS WHICH CANNOT BE ARGUED. ON THE OTHER HAND ARMENIANS HAVE LIVED IN ANATOLIA AND THE CAUCUSES FOR 3 THOUSAND YEARS YET AZERI WANT TO CLAIM KARABAGH HAHA GO READ A BOOK
av63pnt0 1 week ago in playlist Azerbaijan History 2
Great great video , I am Iranian azari from Tehran , my ancestors fought and died for Iran and Persian Identity , thank you for this video from our Armenian brother , long live our Aryan culture and Identity
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The Medes were an people of Indo-Iranian (Aryan) origin who inhabited the western and north-western portion of present-day Iran. By the 6th century BC (prior to the Persian invasion) the Medes were able to establish an empire that stretched from Aran (the modern-day Republic of Azerbaijan) to Central Asia and Afghanistan. Today's population of the western part of the Iranian Plateau (including many Persian-speakers, Kurds and Azeris) consider themselves to be descended from the ancient Medes.
goran21715 4 months ago
Good video!
Btw which video-program did you used?
Seninkinin 6 months ago
haray haray men turkem fuck persıan fashısm
atila1364 7 months ago
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@atila1364 haray haray man turk NISTam - AZARABADAGAN - biz şimali iranı çok özləmişik...inşallah bir gün olar şimali iran vətənimizə yenidən bağlanar. We Azaris are Iranians and loyal to our Persian race and culture.
Shahnamag 4 months ago
YOU AZERIS GOT NO HISTORY
boomba3 7 months ago
People's self designation of Baku Province of Russian Empire was "Tatar". That is how they are documented in all books, official documents, poems, etc...
watch?v=bVYznsewbwY
BeautySavesWorld 7 months ago
@BeautySavesWorld "Tatar" is the Russian and Western designation. The historic designation has been the Persian names Shirvan (Ganja), Arran (Baku), and Azarbaijan (Tabriz)
Shahnamag 4 months ago
Everyone know that it is an Azerbaijan territory where you live Tabriz,Karabagh, Derbent,Irevan.And you "pers" And you "armenian" have to know it exatly,
But be sure that this is temporary invasion.We will get back our territory.
AZ-name of the proud ER-Bold man BAY-great JAN-heart))))
Enorist 8 months ago
@Enorist Be more specific please: everyone in modern-day Caucasian Azerbaijan know it. Everyone from Herodotus, to the Roman emperors, to the Arabian sultans to the Byzantine emperors, to the Persian shahs, to the Russian tsars to all of the modern states (except Pakistan), know that the region is Armenian. And unlike you, I have documents from each to prove it (which I will soon publish in a video).
Arzive 8 months ago
@Arzive I am more specific you may say everything you want.And when you find this proves please don't share video which suitable for you or for Armenia share REAL historycal video then you will see who is the owner___
Enorist 8 months ago
@Enorist We can both say whatever we want as much as we want, but it's the one who speaks with evidence who is really saying something. The other one is just dangling his head convincing no one but himself. I can't wait to see what "real history" I'm about to learn. Please teach me. Believe me, I've scraped the bottom of every non-Aliyev/Pashayev source I can, I can't seem to find what you're talking about.
Arzive 7 months ago
@Arzive I can't change your mind,even if I show you evidence.Be sure it is something that we cannot change it.And I think we have to finish this dispute.It is an political war and we don't have to join.
Enorist 7 months ago
@Enorist Believe me, I've changed my mind numerous times, and not without Azerbaijani input. I know I can't change your mind because you have a pre-determined opinion infused in your brain by a president who insults other nations' people and throws in jail people in his country who oppose him, the way they did in the Middle Ages. In the 21st century, it's all about being open minded. So go ahead, give it your best shot. Educate me. I want my mind to be changed.
Arzive 7 months ago
@Arzive I am enough open-minded and don't educate me please)))))I am Azerbaijan turk I Know my history and believe in it.Nobody can change my mind.If you think that you are right,I respect your mind.And I wait esteem to my mind from others...Maybe you think I am afraid from your evidences be sure It is not so, because I AM AZERBAIJAN TURK
Enorist 7 months ago
@Enorist you are crazy
Shahnamag 4 months ago
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nations with no history trying to falcificate Azerbaijani history ... Azerbaijanians are o riginal TURKs, and have same roots with other turks. and the word Azerbaijan is related with the name of Khazarian impere ( khazar turks ) .
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@tuna990 Azerbaijanis don't know their own history: Azerbaijan has nothing to do with Khazars. It derives from Atropatene as mentioned in these videos. The Khazar Turks never conquered Azerbaijan. They conquered Caucasian Albania, Georgia and Armenia.
Also, DNA proves that Azerbaijanis are NOT original Turks. Their DNA proves they are 75% original Caucasians and 25% original Turks (% intentionally generalized, although not far from truth).
Arzive 8 months ago
I'd like to specify the fact that in this comment, I referred to Caucasian Azerbaijanis and not Iranian Azerbaijanis, as they are two different ethnic groups: Iranian Azerbaijani DNA proves they are closer to Persians than Caucasian Azerbaijanis, whereas Caucasian Azerbaijani DNA proves they are closer to Armenians and Georgians than Iranian Azerbaijanis.
Arzive 8 months ago
@Arzive You need to look at Khazars map... During arab invansion in that places lived khazar turks ,and the name of Azerbaijan is related with them, most of them ,afterwards adopted islam. Khaz-ar ( Kas -er (brave in turkish)) .The name of Caspian (Khazar in Azerbaijani)Sea , Caucasian ( Kaf-Kas) mauntain is with their names.
Azerbaijanians are Turks -100% and PROUD OF THIS!!!
tuna990 8 months ago
@tuna990 : The name comes from Khazar Turks??? What drugs are you on kid? Go read the real history - it's out there. There's no excuse for stupidity. Atropat was a Persian nobleman; the name comes from Atropat + kan = Azerbaijan. That history is well-documented. Moreover, the Azerbaijan government, as of last year, admitted to this fact. You can't fool everyone. How many different versions of this lie do you want to tell?
IranHistory 8 months ago
@IranHistory
You persians and armenians late and soon will have to accept the truth about Azerbaijanians !!! Its obvious to everybody how persians and armenians Be OBJECTIVE ABOUT AZERBAIJANI HISTORY!!! Who have their own interests in falcification the truth about Azerbaijanians
tuna990 8 months ago
@tuna990
shut up you turgay
TheKourosh1990 7 months ago
@TheKourosh1990
You graze stupid, maybe you mean " gay ran" !
tuna990 7 months ago
The most well known historians throughout the Eastern World were the Greeks and the Arabs. Both sources agree that Turkic peoples live in Azerbaijan and Northwestern Iran since at least the third Century AD. Lets not forget teh Khazars who were Turkic people, and are considered the origins of modern Azerbaijanis. The Khazars ruled Northwestern Iran for years and fought the Umayyad Arab Empire for tens of years, the Arab-Khazar wars are well known. Lets talk common sense please.
anarmehtievful 9 months ago
@anarmehtievful Khazars have nothing to do with Azerbaijani. Oghuz turkic migration to the asia minor only starts from 10-11th century. Unless you want to call yourself initially iranian albanian and say that only your language has changed and u lived there for thousands of years....
lifemaster1g 9 months ago
@lifemaster1g The Oguz started to migrate in the third century AD, the Khazars are Kypchak Turkic tribes who ruled Azerbaijan, Armenia, and even Northwestern Iran and fought against the Muslim Arab Umayyad Empire to defend the region from Islamization. Many people get assimilated and many people stay the same. All Persians are not pure, but many are of Arab origins, Turkic origins, Greek, Georgian, and of Armenian origins, and the same apply to Armenians. Armenia became independent in 1991 only.
anarmehtievful 9 months ago
@anarmehtievful Armenia had several independent kingdoms, Greater Armenia, Bagratid Armenia, Cilician Armenia, and self governed autonomous regions such as Artsakh, unlike Azeris.
3rd century is a joke that you can tell to other people. Its 10th.
lifemaster1g 9 months ago
@lifemaster1g Since 800 BCE-1991 AD, all the Armenian kingdoms were part of the greater superpowers of the region at the time; such greater empires include the Akhaemenids, Sassanids, Romans, Byzantines, Khazars, Parthians, Macedonians, Umayyads, Abbasids, Qara-Qoyunlus, Aq-qoyunlus, Safavids, Qajars, Afsharids, Timurids, Mongols, Ilkhanids, Seljuks, Ottomans, Czar-Russians, and finally USSR. Proof me wrong!
anarmehtievful 8 months ago
@anarmehtievful I just proved to you, we had 3 independent kingdoms.
lifemaster1g 8 months ago
@lifemaster1g I don't think that you want to argue with someone who has a PhD in history! I am more than sure that you had NOT answered my question! Since the Kingdom of Armenia had ruled modern Azerbaijan, Northwestern Iran, Georgia, Anatolia, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Israel, & Jordan, Where were the ancient Phoenicians, Assyrians, Akkadians, Babylonians, Achaemenids, Medians, Scythians, Khazars, Parthians? On the Moon or on Mars? Dude, please, lost nations always claim others' works!
anarmehtievful 8 months ago
@anarmehtievful This is a tactic that Caucasian Azerbaijanis use continuously. They don't answer your question, and accuse you of not answering theirs when in fact, you answered everything. I don't understand what kind of self-respect they have for doing this. Maybe they don't realize they do it. Maybe they were trained for it in Caucasian Azerbaijani schools in order to maintain the Aliyev brainwash and not be affected by the truth.
Arzive 8 months ago
@lifemaster1g Moreover, the Armenian kingdoms never ruled Syria, Lebanon, Israel, and parts of Iraq. If that was true, where were the Phoenicians of Lebanon, Cannanites of Palestine, Arameans of Syria, Medians of Northwestern Iraq and Iraq, and the Babylonians and the Assyrians of Iraq? Were these ancient peoples on Mars or on the Moon? I am afraid that the Armenians were the ones to built the Persian cities 1501-1828, and the Great wall of China, and mabe the US Congress as well!
anarmehtievful 8 months ago
@anarmehtievful Those regions fell under Tigran Great for short period of time and became more like vassals states.
lifemaster1g 8 months ago
@lifemaster1g Also, add to your information, the original homeland of the Armenians is Eastern Anatolia, Turkey, nowadays, not modern Armenia. Moreover, the Urartu language was NOT an Indo-European language like Armenian, but rather its vocabularies, grammar, sentence structures, and morpholopgy are extreme similar to Northeastern Caucasian language, in particular to Chechen, Avar, and Lezgi languages of Dagestan and Chechnya of the Russian Federation nowadays.
anarmehtievful 8 months ago
@anarmehtievful Well no one claim urartian language is Armenian but the language used in Urartu was Armenian. And the next direct independent kingdom that was established in the same region was Armenia, which means it is the closest to us.
lifemaster1g 8 months ago
@lifemaster1g The Kingdom of Bagratunid Armenia was founded by Ashot Msakher Bagratuni in 885AD-1045AD with its capital at Bagaran. The Bagratunid Armenian Kingdom was an Autonomous Kingdom of the Abbasid Arab Empire. In 890AD, Ashot died and his son Smbat became the new king; Abbasid Arab militaries but an end to the Armenian revolutions lead by Smabt in 901 AD; many of Smbat 's Armenian allies turned against him. Armenia remained a vassal Kingdom of the Arabs until the Mongols invasion 1230 AD
anarmehtievful 8 months ago
@lifemaster1g The Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia was founded by Ruben Bagratuni in 1080AD-1375AD with its capital at Tarsus. The immigration of Armenians increased in the 11th Century AD due to Seljuk expansions towards Anatolia; during its existance, the Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia was a vassal state of the Turkic Seljuk & Mamluke Empires, the Crusaders of France and Italy, and finally the Abbasid Arab Empire, Kurdish Ayubid Empire, and finally the Mongol Ilkhanid Empire in 1300's.
anarmehtievful 8 months ago
@lifemaster1g The Kingdom of Greater Armenia was founded in 331BC-428AD by Tigranes Orontid with its capital at Yervandashat; throughout its existance, the kingdom was vassal state of the following Empires: Scythia, Cimmeria, Media, Achaemenid, Parthia, Sassanid, Seleucid, Macedonia, Assyria, Byzantine, & Roman. Moreover, the kingdom was ruled by the Parthian Arsacid Dynasty 54AD-428AD. The Orontid Dynasty ruled 331BC-54AD. Armenia is the Greek name of the region, What independence!!!!!!
anarmehtievful 8 months ago
The Medes are Iranian speaking people, whose language is completely differs from Persian. The modern Kurds are descendants of the Medes. It is impossible for any nation on earth to forget its language, culture, and become completely different nation. Again, it is all Iranian propaganda against Azerbaijan and against Turkic peoples. Persians must take a look at their language, cuisine, culture, religions, and even names, all are heavily influenced by Arabs. So Persians are Arabs then?
anarmehtievful 9 months ago
@IrishItalian10 I actually have more important things to do in life, unlike yourself.
assortmentofweapons 9 months ago
@IrishItalian10 You stole that last sentence from me. Typical from a degenerate such as yourself.
I thought Italian-Americans don't go to school. Take a shower for once, guido.
assortmentofweapons 9 months ago
@IrishItalian10 Hahahahaha, I already go to school, kiddo, and I do much better than you would if you decided to go to school for once instead of playing with yourself.
You can't finish what you start. Don't post bullshit comments and except for no one to reply back, idiot.
assortmentofweapons 9 months ago
@IrishItalian10 You're telling me to stop watching "Armenian propaganda" and yet you're the one who took the time to look this video up. Lol, fucking pussy.
assortmentofweapons 9 months ago
@IrishItalian10 Lol wow, you tell me to stop insulting "your" ethnicity and now you're telling me to "fuck my Armenian boyfriend"? I'm into women; I'm a normal person, unlike yourself. Goddamn, you write like a 10-year old and it sounds like this is the first time that you've heard of the word "troll". Last time I checked, there aren't any legitimate ones on this website anymore. Go play with yourself, kiddo. You're too young to understand history...
assortmentofweapons 9 months ago
@IrishItalian10 You're either a Turk from NY or a local ass clown who only learned one side of the story from one of your Turkish buddies. Enjoy the pollution in "beautiful" NYC, asshole.
assortmentofweapons 9 months ago
@IrishItalian10 Lmfao, politically motivated? Arzive got these facts from Iranica, which is a non-Armenian based website on Iranian history and other things related to Iranians. Check thoroughly before posting idiotic comments, ya fuckin' mic.
assortmentofweapons 9 months ago
ARMENIANS DONT FORGET TENGRI !!
WE BROUGHT YOU THE CROSS OF TENGRI !!
YOU TRAITORS !!
OdinTengriAsena 9 months ago
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TheChelseaFEVER 11 months ago
10 gray puppies didnt like this video, because it's based on historical facts.
IranSepahbod 11 months ago
Azer-bay-gan = Persian word (protected by fire); Named for the Persian general of the Persian King. It has nothing to do with Turkic.
Ba-Ku = Bad Kubideh (Persian for 'wind pounded city'). "The Republic of Azerbaijan" was land stolen from Iranians & Armenians.
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TheChelseaFEVER 11 months ago
@IranHistory Aha , ofc . And maybe it's the other way around ? Iran Was the Territory which was Stolen From Armenians And azeris ?
The First Dialect of iran Took Birth here , in south Azerbaijan . So If you read the facts up above carefully . It Is The other way around
Media was An Ancient Azeri state , that had nothing to do with Iran
TheChelseaFEVER 11 months ago
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IranHistory 11 months ago
@TheChelseaFEVER : What have you been smoking? Never mind: I checked your channel - It's Turkish opium; that's why you can't read maps, or books. Just remember that swimming to Mongolia will not be fun for you.
IranHistory 11 months ago
@IranHistory Man Turk And Persian is different . Azeris , from Atropatene are In The South , But Even the are mixed with Turks . North Was Turkic From Khazar Era.
Albania , is not Azerbaijan . Azerbaijan Are - Seldjuks And Atabeqs .And the Fact That Turks Once owned Persia - Akkoyunlu. This is What is azeri .
Our Nation Goes Back to Diyarbakir . Today Turkey . That is why Turkey and Us Are Bound By 1000 of years of Turkic Ownage .
TheChelseaFEVER 11 months ago
@IranHistory Agreed. Mind you, these videos show the history of true (Iranian) Azerbaijan, not the fairy tale history written by the Aliyev dynasty and its predecessors to justify their thievery.
Arzive 8 months ago
@Arzive : Oh, I'm well aware of the Aliyev clan's panturkic/KGB brainwashing tactics and the history of their "leadership" in fabricating an identity and brainwashing masses of people. Heydar Aliyev was a Soviet KBG propaganda officer -- and like others before him -- fabricated history books to indoctrinate young people. Basically he was a 'Soviet-Attaturk' hybrid. The truth is that "Azerbaijanis" (whatever that term means) don't even know who they really are or where they came from.
IranHistory 8 months ago
Great video
ConflictedYouth 1 year ago
Good video! I would like also that you will put videos how Azeris like to Azerifye Iranian and Armenian cultural heritage! thanks for videos!
unknown198523 1 year ago
@Arzive Encyclopedia Iranica writes what is advantageous to Iran. For example, it is commonly known that the Midian language belongs to the nonliterate, ie we don't posese a single word in Midian, which we could identify. However, it is supposed to be Iranian-lingual. In the Sumerian language, fot instance, there are many hundreds of Turkic words, but europecentrists refuse these languages not only in kinship, but also in the neighborhood. What kind of objectivity can we talk?
Vatancin 1 year ago
@Vatancin But linguists consider Median language as north-western Iranian along with Kurdish, Balochi and several others. Anyway it can't been Turkic. About Sumerian - it is historical revisionism claiming that Sumerian was Turkic language.It is just hypothesis. There are common words between Armenian and Basque but they can't be Armenian.Georgians also consider their language as direct descendant of Sumerian. There is good aphorism that every nation wants to trace his history back to Sumerians.
everythingisahead 1 year ago
@everythingisahead
I understand that it is unpleasant for you, an Armenian, all mention of Turks. But the truth is that there is no example of the Midian language. And Midians are not part of the group of Kurdish, Baluchi languages , but Kurdish, Baluchi, paradoxically, considered to be successors of unknow Midian language. History is the most politicized science, unfortunately, that so skillfully uses Artzive and other armenian uses to justify their territorial claims
Vatancin 1 year ago
@Vatancin I repeat that science doesn't accept Median language to be Turkic. You are right about history and its falsification is policy in Azerbaijan.
everythingisahead 1 year ago
@everythingisahead You are right, science accept Median language to be iranian without proof, as an axiom, the truth that does not require proof. That's why I talked about the politicization of historical science. And you responded like a real armenian, once again kicked Azerbaijan. But you do not understand that this phrase discredit yourself, not Azerbaijanis.
Vatancin 1 year ago
@Vatancin Azerbaijanis has already discredited themselves by claiming that there were no Armenians in Transcaucasia and Yerevan was Azerbaijani city tough Yerevan has never been a part of any political entity with the name 'Azerbaijan'. Also there are churches were built long before 19th century and 20 km western of Yerevan is located Etchmiadzin the center of Christianity and Catholicosat since 4th century.
everythingisahead 1 year ago
@everythingisahead This mouse fuss bothers, in absence of arguments armenians yell - you are a fool)). One makes happy, that these proarmenian videos watch exceptionally armenians, who eat and overcook any falsification of Azerbaijan history, culture, traditions, everything.
Vatancin 1 year ago
@Vatancin I have many arguments how you claim Yerevan as Azerbaijanian city and ignoring the presence of Armenian churches long before the 19th century. This videos also watch Azerbaijanis who get very much angry and began insulting Armenians. Also absolute majority of them have a strange habit writing the word Armenia with small letter.
everythingisahead 1 year ago
@everythingisahead It seems he thinks he's doing his nation good by disgracing Armenians by typing "Armenia" without a capital "A." Or maybe he thinks we'll get insulted by it. It's just a pitiful way of finding a sense of accomplishment. I type Azerbaijan with a capital "A" because I was over childish hate games when I was 7 years old. The biggest problem while arguing with Azerbaijanis is that they don't respect their opponents, but one must learn to respect to be respected.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive If you're referring to me, in all my posts Armenia is written with capital letters, armenians - with a lowercase letter .If you're referring to azerbaijanians as a whole, I would be able to comment with great success your armenian user 194poka. By the way, none of you did not respond to his idiocy. Silence is a sign of agreement?
Vatancin 1 year ago
@Vatancin Yes, you will find some disrespectful Armenians, like any other nation. But I've managed to speak in a civilized manner with many Turks or Georgians, but I've only come across 1 Azeri who is not chicken like Shirvan or disrespectful like you. By no means do I want to insult your nation, but with people like ignorant and bigmouth Pashayeva as a leader in debates, I'm not surprised.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive Sorry, but it is your attitude toward meis disrespectful and even boorish , not mine. And at the same time you call me disrespectful. The typical manner of behavior for the armenian opponents.
Простите, но именно Вы позволяете себе неуважительное и даже хамское отношение ко мне, а не я к Вам. И при этом называете меня неуважительной. Характерная манера поведения для армянских оппонентов.
Vatancin 1 year ago
@Vatancin Yoxdur siz bir arvad etmək döymək, siz latayır barbar?
GtaX8 1 year ago
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Vatancin 1 year ago
@GtaX8 Do you have problems?))
Vatancin 1 year ago
@Vatancin Well, I won't play the "you did it first" game, but you're the one who dissed Armenians in your first message.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive I pointed to general distortion of history of Azerbaijan first of all by armenian users. You can liked or disliked, but it does not give a right neither to you to lifemaster and others to to be a boor
.
Я указала на повсеместное искажение истории Азербайджана в первую очередь армянскими пользователями. Вам это может нравиться или не нравиться, но это не дает право ни Вам, ни lifemaster и прочим хамить.
Vatancin 1 year ago
@Arzive Если Вы имеете в виду меня, то в моих сообщения везде Армения написана с заглавной буквы, со строчной буквы написано армяне.
Если Вы имеете в виду азербайджанцев в целом, я могла бы с большим успехом прокомментировать вашего армянского юзера 194poka. Кстати, никто из вас никак не отреагировал на его маразм. Молчание- знак согласия?
Vatancin 1 year ago
@Arzive My parenting was perfect, I do not need your educational advices , believe me. You'd better address your educational speech to your compatriot 194poka.
Мое воспитание было безупречным, в Ваших воспитательных советах не нуждаюсь, уж поверьте. Лучше адресуйте Вашу воспитательную речь Вашему соотечественнику 194poka
Vatancin 1 year ago
@Vatancin If your parents' idea of parenting resulted in you, then your parents need better parenting.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive And this is boorishness, for which I did not give a reason. This indicates a lack of your parenting.
А это уже хамство, для которого я повода не давала. Это свидетельствует о недостатке Вашего воспитания.
Vatancin 1 year ago
@Vatancin Funny enough, you're the one who is calling Armenians "fools" (using other words), calling historians (scientists as you call them) "fools" and any source or evidence Armenians and other historians show "foolish." The one calling everyone else a "fool" is the fool himself.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive Перевожу специально для Вас ))
Надоела мышиная возня. При отсутствии аргументов армяне восклицают- сам дурак. Единственное утешение, что эти проармянские видео смотрят исключительно сами армяне, которые едят и переваривают любые фальсификации азербайджанской истории, культуры, традиций, всего.
Vatancin 1 year ago
@Arzive Absolutely right. Apply it to yourself too, please) Абсолютно верно. Примените это к себе тоже, пожалуйста)
Vatancin 1 year ago
@Vatancin There is also no record of a Turkic people before the 6th century AD. "History is a politicized science" in this context is a misunderstanding of the actual situation. History is based on what ancient people have left behind (yes, these ancient people were politically biased, but that doesn't mean they lied about peoples' languages). Whatever that isn't is based on scientific research and reasoning. The rest is what you're doing right now -- the part you can call "political."
Arzive 1 year ago
For example, assuming we have absolutely no idea what Medes spoke. However, we know what Atropats spoke (what we call "Old Azari"). We also know that Atropatene is "Media Atropatene" or "Media Minor" (it's an offshoot of Media, created by its division). Believe me, if these Atropat Medes were once Turks, they'd have a word or two left from Turkic, which they don't. Old Azari is clearly an Iranian language, therefore, its ancestor, Median, is undeniably also Iranian. This is primitive reasoning
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive I want to make a correction: the alleged ancestor.
Vatancin 1 year ago
@Vatancin Well if you're going to go against every single historical source since several centuries before Jesus Christ all the way down to this day, it is up to you. Atropats were called Medes all the way to the Arab invasion, to their Turkification.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive : I can read in Old-Azari: It's a Persian (Non-Turkic) dialect. I have thousands of historical documents, stone carvings, and citations. Only recently Turki-fied people think that Azerbaijan is Turkish. Check my site on the left side of the page and you will see some information there. Good video.
IranHistory 11 months ago
@IranHistory No , Not Rescently . Azeris From Atropatene Are in South Azerbaijan . They Are Persina - Turkic.
North Azerbaijan , Comes From Khazars and The Seljuk Rule . South and North Are not the same , No MAtter how We Try. This is why there were many Iranian - Azeri Rulers of Persia, Such as Shah Ismail Khatai , And other Safavi Rulers .
TheChelseaFEVER 11 months ago
@Arzivejust your activity is a veiled anti-Azerbaijan policy.
Worth to point out the historical dissonance, as accusations in politics and disrespect rained down
Vatancin 1 year ago
@Vatancin Oh please... you're talking about the Sun Theory (or its variants)... I have nothing to say. I suppose you also think Caucasian Albanians were Turkic as well. You'd be ridiculed on any level if you presented this idea to a linguist or historian.
Arzive 1 year ago
Presenting the Sun Theory in a modern discussion about linguistics and history, is similar to presenting the idea of a flat Earth to astronomers today. It's a debunked, refuted and unambiguously rejected theory, used only to successfully assimilate non-Turkic elements during the Turkic nationalism of Turkey and Azerbaijan in WWI (for example, to create a "Turkic past" of Kurds - the "mountain Turks"). Uneducated Azerbaijanis still cling to it because it justifies the absurd claims of their state
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive If you are interested in history, then you should know that Albania included 26 tribes, including Turkic. But now it is not about Albania, you take the conversation aside.
The only known word in Median is median name Spako ("dog" in the Median is "spako"). Etymologized Turkic - a dog. (Russian sobaka is borrowed from Turkic)
Vatancin 1 year ago
@Vatancin Yes, and every other language in the world also derives from an ancient form of Turkic as well, right?
The first Turkic peoples to arrive in the Caucasus were the Khazar Turks 1 or 2 centuries before the arrival of Seljuq Turks. The only other side of the question is the Azerbaijani side. There is no source, whether it be Middle Eastern, European, Jewish, Iranian, Chinese, Russians, or even Central Asian Turks that will say Albanians, Medes or Sumerians were Turks,only ignorant Azeris
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive Yet Khorenatsi specified on it ) I will search the reference and put it.
Vatancin 1 year ago
@Vatancin OK. I'm eagerly waiting for this "reference." Keep in mind, Khorenatsi lived in the 5th century (or a few centuries later -- but definitely before the arrival of Turks in the Middle East).
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive lol so funny to see these Azeris mystify reality. Obviously they are a nation with lost identity, and such a circumstance would suit their fraudulent version of history. This is why for them history is a "paradox" , how ells are they going to fool themselves into believing that they are cultural and genetical successors to the Albanians and Turks at the same time :p
PeopleOfAr 1 year ago
@Arzive They’re just jealous cause we outlived them all and this is why we are still Armenians (against all odds) and we'll be so long after they’ve changed identities for the thousandth time.
PeopleOfAr 1 year ago
@Vatancin According to ignorant Azeris, Armenians were initially a union of Turkic tribes, until the Hay people came and took over the Armenians, inheriting their name. When I read this, I understood that absurdity in Caucasian Azerbaijan is beyond the political level -- it's purely cynical.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive History is full paradoxes. İt is difficult to consider modern greeks to be direct descendants of ancient hellenes, and impossible to consider frenches and italians to be direct heirs of ancient Rome. Every nation has undergone global changes But, in opinion of armenians, it nowise does not behave to armenians.
Vatancin 1 year ago
@Vatancin Not really. History is based on archeological evidence, and logical reasoning. Sure, there are mysteries that need to be solved, but those are not paradoxes. The only paradoxes in history are those claims that are forced into history in order to politically justify certain nations' existences (such as Southern Slavs who pretend to be Macedonians, or C.Azerbaijanis pretending to be three nations at once).
Arzive 1 year ago 2
@Vatancin And if you don't want to admit that the Modern Greeks are descendants of Ancient Greeks, or the French are descendants of Ancient Franks, I have one simple question for you: who, then, are the ancestors of these modern people? Why is it paradoxical for Ancient Greeks (who spoke an earlier version of Modern Greek) to be the ancestors of modern Greeks, but non-paradoxical for the Mannai (who weren't even Iranian nor Turkic) to be ancestors of the modern Azeris?
Arzive 1 year ago 5
@Arzive i answered your question...Who are ancestors modern Azerbaijani people....Azerbaijani people are descendants Turcomans and aborigen people precisely Medes and Caucasus Albanians...What do you want to prove...???...are you armenian,,,if you armenian then i can understand overall why you took place this video..))
Ziya6383 2 months ago
@Vatancin You're just trying to take the fact that the past is mysterious, to debunk established understandings of the past, in order to make an opening for you to make absurd claims that break all laws of logic and reasoning.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Vatancin Well then it seems to me like anything that is Iranian, Armenian, Russian, English, Chinese and Arabic doesn't sound to pleasant for you.
Arzive 1 year ago
@ArziveDo you have any problems with Russian, Chinese, English, etc. ? There are two sides to every question.
Vatancin 1 year ago
@Vatancin No. It seems you do.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive You might just bad some mentally ill people like Vatancin. It seems he is talking to himself.
lifemaster1g 1 year ago
@Arzive It is Your preconceived opinion.
Vatancin 1 year ago
Video is compiled by -Armenian, not Russian or Englishman, or Japanese.and that's it. Armenian will never treat objectively either Azerbaijan, nor its history. Broken falsification and compilation of facts.
Vatancin 1 year ago
@Vatancin Ancient people of Atropatena weren't Turkic they were Iranic. All reliable sources confirm it.
everythingisahead 1 year ago
@everythingisahead Atropatena - a descendant of Midia
Vatancin 1 year ago
@Vatancin Your argument is a fallacy. Simply because this is an Armenian channel, it doesn't mean this video's information is invalid. You can verify what's said in the Encyclopædia Iranica, and various other English and [non-Soviet] Russian sources.
Arzive 1 year ago
история АЗЕРБАИДЖАНА..РОЖДЕН 1918, назвали азерам 1934 г, ДАТА СМЕРТИ 2013 г. В 2014 г дезинфекция територий временного проживание АЗИКОВ. 1915 г ЯЗЫК азиков ЗАЧИСЛЕН В список МЕРТВЫХ ЯЗЫКОВ. 1000 охорми. ох цанр лини
194poka 1 year ago
Very good Job enger Arzive
Like your other video
Thank you
DustFalling 1 year ago
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360freexbox 1 year ago
Very nice video. Great Job Arzive.
BachGuitar3 1 year ago
@Sati675,
I see it completely worthless to argue with you since you have no clue about history. Azeri language contains both ancient Pahlavi and Turkic words. The reason Azeri language contains Turkic words is because of the Turkification that happened in 11th century. Azeris derive from ancient Medians.
WorldHistory000 1 year ago
once again great video. unlike the BS videos azeris make, yours are based off facts and are not biased. keep up the great work.
ninetoyadome 1 year ago 94
Media heirs are Kurds. In Azeris no history, they are imposters nomads from Central Asia. and no relation to these lands have not. until 1918 they were the Transcaucasian Turks. but only in 1936 Stalin called them Azeris. that in the future claim on Iranian soil. Azerbaijan is a fake state! and everything in this country based on lies.
Sati675 1 year ago 30
excellent video, when is part 2 exactly coming out?
ZeeGooner 1 year ago
@ZeeGooner I plan on posting them on a weekly basis until they are all published.
Arzive 1 year ago
As for the change of its borders in the ancient times, it changed more than it's depicted. I understand, you can't show every border it had, but I'm just saying that there is more than what this video is showing, respectively.
WorldHistory000 1 year ago
@WorldHistory000 Yes, but every state changed borders all the time. If we were to make a video including all the borders, it would require an entire video about borders only. The map I show is the definitive, perfectly representative map of Atropatene, based on my research. If you look carefully, my map does reach the Caspian Sea (Cadusii), unfortunately, the greener/mountainous regions are less apparent.
Arzive 1 year ago
@Arzive,
I have nothing against this video except for the borders it's depicting. It's false. Even though, you took based on what some google pictures refer it to, it is still wrong. Most ancient maps show Azerbaijan as having Gilan province, Lenkeran province, etc. However, in this photoshopped map, it doesn't show any of it. Cadusi province was part of ancient Azerbaijan, as well.
WorldHistory000 1 year ago
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The territory did change over the past fews year of its ancient history, but it changed more than you showed it. Some sources prove the Azeris ruled over the Caucasian area, also for decades until the Selecuid invasion, our kingdom got smaller in size of border.
WorldHistory000 1 year ago
@WorldHistory000 I didn't show every border the kingdom had. Although Atropatene grew bigger in size sometimes, it was for very short times, and most of the time, they incorporated other kingdoms that were not Atropat of origin. The smaller map I showed is the smallest the kingdom got, when the Armenian Empire abolished the Seleucid Empire and conquered Atropatene for a few decades. Also, don't forget that this is only the first video of the series.
Arzive 1 year ago
@WorldHistory000 You do not Azeris, You Transcaucasian Turks. all his life stealing, telling lies provocation. You have no history, no culture, no language, no alphabet, no ancestors. you are impostors. nomads from Central Asia. for 92 years of existence, be engaged by rewriting history, you never existed as a state. All in Azerbaijan falsification. You live in the lands of the Armenians, Lezgins, Udine, Talysh, Kurds ..
Sati675 1 year ago
@Sati675 Forget "Azerbaijan." Medes were a predominant Iranian people who arrived in the Iranian plateau in the Bronze/Iron age. They don't exist today, but two main nations that branched off from the Medes survived, namely Kurds and Atropats. For the rest of the history of Atropats and/or Azerbaijanis, I will let the follow-ups of this video to explain it.
Arzive 1 year ago
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The written facts are correct, but the picture is wrong. Azeri kingdom was bigger than the way you show on the video. You photoshopped it into a smaller size, so you suscribers would think that Azerbaijan was small in the past. Just so everybody knows, the Azeri kingdom was bigger and in size than the way this video depicts it. It actually cover the Gilan area, Nakhchivan [at times], Karabakh [at times], Lenkeran area, and more of to the west of Urmia lake.
WorldHistory000 1 year ago
@WorldHistory000 In fact, I literally took the most popular maps that show Atropaten and photoshopped them to the exact size that they are represented on those maps. Please refer to maps before trying to blow up your history like a balloon. For example, type "Atropatene" in Google Images, and look at the majority of maps. I was very careful to not incorporate my personal bias into these videos.
Arzive 1 year ago
(In fact, this map is roughly the same size as modern-day Iranian Azerbaijan, which, as we all know, is the equivalent to Atropatene)
Arzive 1 year ago
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@WorldHistory000 Media heirs are Kurds. In Azeris no history, they are imposters nomads from Central Asia. and no relation to these lands have not. until 1918 they were the Transcaucasian Turks. but only in 1936 Stalin called them Azeris. that in the future claim on Iranian soil. Azerbaijan is a fake state! and everything in this country based on lies.
Sati675 1 year ago
@WorldHistory000 Hey nomadic your Turkis tribe nothing to do with Media has not. Media heirs are Kurds, Talysh! and Azerbaijan has never existed before 1918. ! stole the title from the Iranian city Aderbizhan that in the future claim on Iranian soil. State you received from the Bolsheviks, the Communists in 1918, and the nationality of Azerbaijanis in 1936! Before that you were the Transcaucasian Turks.
Sati675 1 year ago
@Sati675 so if azeris frome Central Asia,how came ther dont look alike asian ???????? Stop saying stupid things
MrUSSR26 1 year ago
Interesting video. Can't wait for the sequel!
GtaX8 1 year ago
Very good Arzive! I'm sure that this and coming videos are neutral and show the true history non distorted by political reasons!
everythingisahead 1 year ago 75