Can anyone settle one way or the other the story I heard that the original vinly version is no longer available (apart from YouTube obviously) because of some legal settlement between Roche and the Fall?
@blueroomexit Also, I'm just not buying your "Sonic Youth is underrated" argument. If you go to any good sized music store the shelves are stocked with their albums. Check out Dead Moon. THAT is underrated.
@blueroomexit I understand Sonic Youth, and I can take the noise of their guitars. I have plenty of noise/avant-garde/industrial and the like in my collection. But like Nirvana, they are overrated. "Daydream Nation" is twice as long as it should be and is ultimately a series of tedious drones, too heavily inspired by the tedious drones of Glenn Branca. Sonic Youth ONLY got it right on "Evol" and "Sister," when they wrote actual songs and made their noise noisy instead of boring.
@blueroomexit No, I'm not one of those "originals are always the best" guys. Case in point: Dino Jr.'s "Just Like Heaven" blasts the original out of the water, IMHO. I don't even hold Joy Division's "Love will tear us Apart" sacred - I prefer Swans' version. So that's not the issue. Sonic Youth do what they always do: make the song tedious and muddy.
@michaeljohnleigh You played on some of my favorite Fall stuff. Dragnet is one of their best of many great albums and Rowche Rumble is definitely my favorite song .
The organ sound on this has a weird 3D audio effect and yet I only have two crappy speakers :/ cool song. didn't some faggy 80s new wave band cover this at one time?
The drums on this song are fantastic. Mike had a row of four tom toms set up over the front of the drum kit and it gave the band a truly different sound to anything else at the time. I spent much of my sixteenth year hitch-hiking around england going to see the Fall and they were always brilliant on stage. Totally uncomprimising and alive. Thanks.
I use a Roland TD9 electronic kit these days. I'm with The Blimp now. Very Fall, Beefheart, Iggy and Velvets influenced have a look at myspace for.theblimpuk
I heard a story that Roche filed some sort of lawsuit against this track and got it banned, which may explain why the only versions on Fall compilations seem to be live versions. Anyone know if this is true?
I did an EP with a Scottish band called Twisted Hand in 1981. You can listen to it and download from my Myspace page, if you like. Let me know what you think. Search for mikeleighdrummer on Myspace and the first 3 tracks are the Twisted Hand songs. There are a few of my favourite Fall tracks there that I played on, too
TRY SCORIN' SOME F*KIN VALIUM TO SOOOTHE NERBVES AGAINST IMPOSITION OF JEWBOY REPRESSIVE POLICESTATE LAWS IN THIS GOD FORESAKEN LAND THEESE DAZE....ITS LIKE FINDIN F*KIN GOLD DUST.
ID RATHER BE SHOOTIN UP FROM THE BLOCK O SCAG NEATH AFGHAN KARZAIs HAT THAN IT IS TO LIVE IN THIS LOUSSSY F*IN LAND CALLED.................................ANGERLAND>
Saw the band at Bircotes Leisure Center 1979 (which is at the end of my street.) as well as other places. Great memories. This was my all time favourite Fall track. Had so much meaning at the time.
I was on drums at that gig and I think that some of Totales Turns was recorded there. The promoter was really a jerk, if I remember rightly and some of the support band tried picking on Craig until I imposed my 6 foot 2 inch frame and 15 and a half stones in their faces. I hate bullies
@michaeljohnleigh Really? What an awesome time for me. The things I did and saw around that time have stayed with me until now. I have a deep feeling of connection with that era even though I am now 49. Thanks for being part of what made me what I am.
this is a massive tune to me from my miss spent youth back in the day when I used to listen to John Peel in my bedroom in Ormskirk and see the band at Erics in Liverpool (I think!). Now I live next door to Mike Leigh sister-in-law, but I'm having a miss spent 40's lol!!!!! thanks for uploading this I LOVE it
@michaeljohnleigh - Filicity, in Bowdon, Altrincham??? is she Walter Mitty? she hates me anyway due to my unconventional behaviour and refusal to conform. It's my fault for being a loud-mouthed first generation punk. I'm going to Rebellion fest in Blackpool next week so that says it all really lol!
I only have one sister in law and she lives in Poynton, so someone is pulling your leg!!! Have a great time in Blackpool and enjoy some duty free shopping in Fleetwood :-)
Presumably this is to tie in with the PB ed of Dave Simpson's 'The Fallen', out on Thursday, with the promise of a 'long-lost drummer'. That wouldn't be you by any chance? I know Simpson couldn't track you or Karl Burns down for the original article.
Yep!! It's definitely me. Karl didn't want to get involved for his own personal reasons, but I'm really glad I'm back in touch with my old mates (Marc Riley, Steve and Paul Hanley and Martin Bramah). It's all down to the book.
Proper love the goofy sound early fall tunes have. I'd call it an inspiration, but then if i was in a band i'd just rip off mark e smith, and thats not good.
Rumble can also mean find out/uncover this would chime with the government expense account line in the song. Love the organ and drummng on this track and I agree with earlier poster about the quality of the live version. Shocking that this track is 30 years old though!
i could not understand, i could not accept the contract.... YES on top form, loved this phase, was suprisingly goof LSD music this! who woulda guessed
wow did u really i bought this and fiery jack on the day they came out i was fifteen i think this and many others painted all my pictures for me and shaped who i am
nice one. i also bought most of the fall singles and albums from around this period when they came out. just checked your biog on wiki - former members of the fall - very varied career :o) thanks for being a part of my youth
@michaeljohnleigh I can't even believe how GREAT The Fall were in their 1st coupla years. The most original band rock has ever produced. Their other 500 LPs they've put out since have bin hit-or-miss. I wish I understood their lyrix, tho; I'm from Texas.
Thanks for the kind comments. Many people have said that they were never the same band after the Hanleys and Craid Scanlon left. I agree, I suppose, but they are my mates and I'm biased. Kay Carroll is coming over for vacation soon, so we're all looking forward to a reunion. Take care and keep faith in Mark E Smith. He has some great messages to impart. I only wish I could understand them all!! 8-)
@michaeljohnleigh So it's not just a regional thing, or a case of me being a redneck w/ too much sun on the brain, that I can't decipher many of the words of my fave band? lol ! Not to sound like one of the pathetic victims Dave Vanium sings about in the song "Fan Club", but... What an honor to have actual contact w/ a member of The Fall! Thanks! I have withdrawals if I don't hear "Live At The Witch Trials" in over a week.
@gwugluud That was the excellent debut album with Karl on drums. He is truly world class and it was an awful burden to have to follow someone who is so much better than me. I did my best though and I'm very proud of being involved with Dragnet, Totales Turns, Rowche Rumble and Fiery Jack
@michaeljohnleigh Remember the place near the Hacienda where The Fall, The Buzzcocks, Slaughter And The Dogs, V2 amongst others used to practice? I think it was TJM records. Always remember the old geezer on the door with his dog. Happy days for a 13/14 year old. Certainly helped mess me O'levels up, though..
this might be my favourite guitar riff!
cp1492 2 weeks ago
My Father is the lead singer in this band but he's younger than me....and that's FAVA BEANS!!!
philipsmovies 3 weeks ago
The Army should play this. Sexy and military at the same time.
hoibsh 1 month ago
music to my ears.oh wat a beauty
itchybellyelliott 1 month ago
brilliant!!
tanpiltanpil 3 months ago
Can anyone settle one way or the other the story I heard that the original vinly version is no longer available (apart from YouTube obviously) because of some legal settlement between Roche and the Fall?
ashtree50 5 months ago
The Fall I still prefer Thanks for posting
joeyrider 5 months ago
Put me away and I'll be back someday.
invitriol123 7 months ago
Still got this. Bought when came out!
sardino1 8 months ago
hope your good mike, saw the fall at gatsbys liverpool 1980,i think you had left the band by then.
shaftsbury94 9 months ago
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shaftsbury94 9 months ago
cheers mike - saw the fall loads (and shared the stage with them a few times as well). brilliant single.
dingram3 10 months ago
Wow ... thanks for posting. I remember listening to this late at night on John Peel. Must have been around 79 or 80. Great memories.
chrisman81 1 year ago
@blueroomexit Also, I'm just not buying your "Sonic Youth is underrated" argument. If you go to any good sized music store the shelves are stocked with their albums. Check out Dead Moon. THAT is underrated.
grahamlaur 1 year ago 2
@blueroomexit I understand Sonic Youth, and I can take the noise of their guitars. I have plenty of noise/avant-garde/industrial and the like in my collection. But like Nirvana, they are overrated. "Daydream Nation" is twice as long as it should be and is ultimately a series of tedious drones, too heavily inspired by the tedious drones of Glenn Branca. Sonic Youth ONLY got it right on "Evol" and "Sister," when they wrote actual songs and made their noise noisy instead of boring.
grahamlaur 1 year ago
@blueroomexit No, I'm not one of those "originals are always the best" guys. Case in point: Dino Jr.'s "Just Like Heaven" blasts the original out of the water, IMHO. I don't even hold Joy Division's "Love will tear us Apart" sacred - I prefer Swans' version. So that's not the issue. Sonic Youth do what they always do: make the song tedious and muddy.
grahamlaur 1 year ago
@blueroomexit I don't agree with you at all, sorry. Thought the Sonic Youth version was an abysmal mess.
grahamlaur 1 year ago
Sadly the only Fall record left in my collection, but at least its still in the original cover !!!
hossboro 1 year ago
@blueroomexit - Sonic Youth aren't fit to lick clean the Fall's dirty shorts. The 4tunnabrix ep is laughably bad compared to the originals.
smegger68 1 year ago
@michaeljohnleigh You played on some of my favorite Fall stuff. Dragnet is one of their best of many great albums and Rowche Rumble is definitely my favorite song .
rpaxon 1 year ago
I'll never never never never do it again, I said I'll never never never never do it again. A rowche rumble...
86223Hector 1 year ago
The organ sound on this has a weird 3D audio effect and yet I only have two crappy speakers :/ cool song. didn't some faggy 80s new wave band cover this at one time?
coptersoisoi 1 year ago
Tame Gee Pees used to dish Daisypam out like sweets... nowadazs it easier to score smack on the street.
Get treated with great suspicion at the surgery if you ask 4 rowche rumble... strange times.
LondonDada 1 year ago
The drums on this song are fantastic. Mike had a row of four tom toms set up over the front of the drum kit and it gave the band a truly different sound to anything else at the time. I spent much of my sixteenth year hitch-hiking around england going to see the Fall and they were always brilliant on stage. Totally uncomprimising and alive. Thanks.
topcat90 1 year ago
@topcat90 Thanks!!!
Well remembered, by the way.
I use a Roland TD9 electronic kit these days. I'm with The Blimp now. Very Fall, Beefheart, Iggy and Velvets influenced have a look at myspace for.theblimpuk
michaeljohnleigh 1 year ago
the fuckin mighty fall!!!
MrSpringburn 1 year ago
I heard a story that Roche filed some sort of lawsuit against this track and got it banned, which may explain why the only versions on Fall compilations seem to be live versions. Anyone know if this is true?
ashtree50 1 year ago
I did an EP with a Scottish band called Twisted Hand in 1981. You can listen to it and download from my Myspace page, if you like. Let me know what you think. Search for mikeleighdrummer on Myspace and the first 3 tracks are the Twisted Hand songs. There are a few of my favourite Fall tracks there that I played on, too
michaeljohnleigh 1 year ago
fantastic stuff, thanks
djlionheart1962 1 year ago
Nostalgia is a thing of the past.
TS50ER 2 years ago
TRY SCORIN' SOME F*KIN VALIUM TO SOOOTHE NERBVES AGAINST IMPOSITION OF JEWBOY REPRESSIVE POLICESTATE LAWS IN THIS GOD FORESAKEN LAND THEESE DAZE....ITS LIKE FINDIN F*KIN GOLD DUST.
ID RATHER BE SHOOTIN UP FROM THE BLOCK O SCAG NEATH AFGHAN KARZAIs HAT THAN IT IS TO LIVE IN THIS LOUSSSY F*IN LAND CALLED.................................ANGERLAND>
ApolloColumbo 2 years ago
@ApolloColumbo jewboy?
sirvidia 2 years ago
once in never out what a very intelligent young man.
markwhat44 2 years ago
Saw the band at Bircotes Leisure Center 1979 (which is at the end of my street.) as well as other places. Great memories. This was my all time favourite Fall track. Had so much meaning at the time.
L0thl0rien 2 years ago
@L0thl0rien
My favourite one that I played on is Flat of Angles
michaeljohnleigh 1 year ago
@L0thl0rien
I was on drums at that gig and I think that some of Totales Turns was recorded there. The promoter was really a jerk, if I remember rightly and some of the support band tried picking on Craig until I imposed my 6 foot 2 inch frame and 15 and a half stones in their faces. I hate bullies
michaeljohnleigh 1 year ago
@michaeljohnleigh Really? What an awesome time for me. The things I did and saw around that time have stayed with me until now. I have a deep feeling of connection with that era even though I am now 49. Thanks for being part of what made me what I am.
L0thl0rien 1 year ago
physician heal thy self.
keddw 2 years ago
this is a massive tune to me from my miss spent youth back in the day when I used to listen to John Peel in my bedroom in Ormskirk and see the band at Erics in Liverpool (I think!). Now I live next door to Mike Leigh sister-in-law, but I'm having a miss spent 40's lol!!!!! thanks for uploading this I LOVE it
punkgirlcandy 2 years ago 2
@punkgirlcandy
My sister in law? Which one?
michaeljohnleigh 1 year ago
@michaeljohnleigh - Filicity, in Bowdon, Altrincham??? is she Walter Mitty? she hates me anyway due to my unconventional behaviour and refusal to conform. It's my fault for being a loud-mouthed first generation punk. I'm going to Rebellion fest in Blackpool next week so that says it all really lol!
punkgirlcandy 1 year ago
@punkgirlcandy
I only have one sister in law and she lives in Poynton, so someone is pulling your leg!!! Have a great time in Blackpool and enjoy some duty free shopping in Fleetwood :-)
michaeljohnleigh 1 year ago
Live Twitter interview with some ex Fall members on Wednesday 5th August at 8pm UK time.
michaeljohnleigh 2 years ago 2
Presumably this is to tie in with the PB ed of Dave Simpson's 'The Fallen', out on Thursday, with the promise of a 'long-lost drummer'. That wouldn't be you by any chance? I know Simpson couldn't track you or Karl Burns down for the original article.
rascalapache 2 years ago
Yep!! It's definitely me. Karl didn't want to get involved for his own personal reasons, but I'm really glad I'm back in touch with my old mates (Marc Riley, Steve and Paul Hanley and Martin Bramah). It's all down to the book.
michaeljohnleigh 2 years ago
Nice one. I shall try and check Twitter out tomorrow.
rascalapache 2 years ago
@rascalapache
It's me OK
michaeljohnleigh 1 year ago
the b side is even better
tiahol6 2 years ago
Rowche was the firm that produced valium-it's about getting off your nuts! Bargain-thanks for putting this on youtube.
PhilRebbeck 2 years ago
Proper love the goofy sound early fall tunes have. I'd call it an inspiration, but then if i was in a band i'd just rip off mark e smith, and thats not good.
madcapoperator 2 years ago
maybe it's a place the band members got into a fight at? "rumble = fight"
cuddlebuttons 2 years ago
Rumble can also mean find out/uncover this would chime with the government expense account line in the song. Love the organ and drummng on this track and I agree with earlier poster about the quality of the live version. Shocking that this track is 30 years old though!
keddw 2 years ago 3
what's the meaning of "Rowche"?
thejunkiecherry 2 years ago
He mean's Roche, Look up Benzodiazepine.
Rowche rumble, It's Valium.
unutterable 2 years ago
ahh^^okay i got it. thank you
thejunkiecherry 2 years ago
Is the "Totale Turns" version out there?
That's the best for me.
hartmusc 3 years ago
MP3?
HarryUpHarry 2 years ago
I bought it as a live, vinyl version.
The track starts with Mark E. Smith announcing
"...last orders half-past ten.
This is a groovy number..."
I don't know if it was ever made available on CD.
hartmusc 2 years ago
I have it on CD, and it was produced by "Dojo"
StaryZielony 2 years ago
i could not understand, i could not accept the contract.... YES on top form, loved this phase, was suprisingly goof LSD music this! who woulda guessed
gnowave 3 years ago
5 stars +
minutegongcoughs 3 years ago 3
killer post. one ov me faves!
HATECITYUSA 3 years ago 3
Listen to the drums and keyboards, great, Thx for putting this up. Rowche Rumble.
modeck1 3 years ago 3
I played the drums on this, so thanks for the compliments!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mike Leigh
michaeljohnleigh 2 years ago 42
wow did u really i bought this and fiery jack on the day they came out i was fifteen i think this and many others painted all my pictures for me and shaped who i am
tiahol6 2 years ago 7
nice one. i also bought most of the fall singles and albums from around this period when they came out. just checked your biog on wiki - former members of the fall - very varied career :o) thanks for being a part of my youth
rascalapache 2 years ago
Thanks for being with us. My personal favourite is "Flat of Angles" I'm hoping to get back behind a kit with a decent band again soon. Take care
michaeljohnleigh 2 years ago
@michaeljohnleigh I can't even believe how GREAT The Fall were in their 1st coupla years. The most original band rock has ever produced. Their other 500 LPs they've put out since have bin hit-or-miss. I wish I understood their lyrix, tho; I'm from Texas.
gwugluud 1 year ago
@gwugluud
Hello Texas!!!
Thanks for the kind comments. Many people have said that they were never the same band after the Hanleys and Craid Scanlon left. I agree, I suppose, but they are my mates and I'm biased. Kay Carroll is coming over for vacation soon, so we're all looking forward to a reunion. Take care and keep faith in Mark E Smith. He has some great messages to impart. I only wish I could understand them all!! 8-)
michaeljohnleigh 1 year ago
@michaeljohnleigh So it's not just a regional thing, or a case of me being a redneck w/ too much sun on the brain, that I can't decipher many of the words of my fave band? lol ! Not to sound like one of the pathetic victims Dave Vanium sings about in the song "Fan Club", but... What an honor to have actual contact w/ a member of The Fall! Thanks! I have withdrawals if I don't hear "Live At The Witch Trials" in over a week.
gwugluud 1 year ago
@gwugluud That was the excellent debut album with Karl on drums. He is truly world class and it was an awful burden to have to follow someone who is so much better than me. I did my best though and I'm very proud of being involved with Dragnet, Totales Turns, Rowche Rumble and Fiery Jack
michaeljohnleigh 1 year ago 2
@michaeljohnleigh Remember the place near the Hacienda where The Fall, The Buzzcocks, Slaughter And The Dogs, V2 amongst others used to practice? I think it was TJM records. Always remember the old geezer on the door with his dog. Happy days for a 13/14 year old. Certainly helped mess me O'levels up, though..
ellycat 1 year ago
@ellycat That's the place I rehearsed with them
michaeljohnleigh 1 year ago