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  • yes of course I did...but the boy got taken apart by poeta and embarrassed at midlands year after year...then this year he suddenly wins? fishy.

  • how did he win midlands this year all of a sudden...look at his midlands match against poeta he was nothing...a fucking joke. how could he have gotten that much better since?

  • @swimhurl Did you even watch midlands this year? because it wasn't against poeta

  • @swimhurl Let’s see how did he win? He beat everybody he wrestled. He is undefeated this year ranked 2nd in the nation and will have over 100 wins during his college career baring any injuries. He wrestled Poeta when he was still in high school at the midlands and lost to him again in the finals of the Big Ten Championships his true freshman year. Yep he is horrible can’t believe anyone still watches any of his matches...

  • @paver1surf11 The dude PEAKED in high school...he hasn't won jack in terms of NCAA titles. Poeta showed the framework on how to beat him badly each time, so why aren't more people using that blueprint this year?

  • @swimhurl So you’re saying that because he hasn’t won an NCAA title yet that he is a failure as a college wrestler? His mat and defensive wrestling have improved greatly and he is now physically dominating his opponents. It will be between him and Dake for the tile with a slight edge for Dake. Is there some reason you dislike him as a wrestler? I remember there was a lot of nasty crap going on about Welch vs Winston back in the day I would hope that this isn’t a carryover from that.

  • @paver1surf11 Just saying that I'm not understanding why his opponents aren't using the Poeta videos to see how to attack him. Is there anybody that can prevent him from qualifying for NCAA's at this point? As for Winston, how is it that Welch's growth curves has exceeded his?

  • @swimhurl I think the 2011-2012 Welch would probably get a major or tech fall over this Welch. As for why people don’t do the same things as Poeta is because Poeta in my opinion is one of the best wrestlers to have not won an NCAA title.

  • @swimhurl I am not sure why Winston has not progressed as much as Welch. I think he has been injured a lot during college and I also think that a big part of his style in high school was that he was just physically a monster in high school where in college it seems that everybody is a physical monster.

  • @paver1surf11 Do you honestly believe that the 2011 Jason Welch could beat the Jason Welch in this video?

  • @paver1surf11 Also, don't sleep on Dylan Alton...Dake and Welch both had trouble scoring on him

  • @swimhurl I agree on Alton being right in the mix this year. It will be interesting to see if he has the freshman burnout that happens to many first year wrestlers. By the time conference finals and NCAAs roll around they are pretty beat up and still dealing with weight management issues...

  • @paver1surf11 What is your opinion on...

    1. Cael Sanderson. Why didn't he enter the Schultz tournament and how seriously is he taking the 2012 Olympics?

    2. Randy Lewis. How serious is he about unseating Jordan Burroughs at the trials this year if he hasn't competed since 09 and was embarrassed by a chump like Moza Fay?

  • @swimhurl Cael did not wrestle at the Schultz because it is the final push of the college season. Beyond anything else that is his main priority. I think it is about 50/50 if he even tries for the Olympics. I would put the percentage higher if they win the NCAA tournament.

    As for Randy I don’t see him ever competing again. He had a mild stoke this year.

  • @paver1surf11 :(  Didn't realize Lewis had a stroke...I had thought he was training in secret to prepare for the trials. Are you concerned that Herbert, Reader, and others are outworking Cael for the 2012 spot?

  • @swimhurl Not really concerned, if they can beat him at the trials then so be it. One other guy that should be in the mix is Keith Gavin. If he has put on some bulk he could be very dangerous. He is a very smart wrestler that was too big for 74 kilo and too small for 85 kilo. Herbert is a stud but his Achilles heal is his ability to scramble...

  • @paver1surf11 So you wouldn't be shocked if Sanderson doesn't compete, given his dominance last year?

  • @paver1surf11 I think maybe Cael is taking it as a given that he can get through the US guys and qualify for the Olympics..but you have to wonder if he can given that Reader, Gavin, Herbert etc are doing nothing but training and he is wearing a bullseye after his dominance last year.

  • @swimhurl My guess is that he has not even made up his mind yet if he will even go for it. I wouldn’t bet against it though. As for the other guys in the weight I don’t see any of them even near his level unless Gavin has put on a lot of muscle mass since last year. Cael has one of best training partners in the world in Jake Varner and his college guys are pretty darn good too...

  • @paver1surf11 Do you think any of those guys can score on him at practice? Were you surprised Varner got 3rd and Cael only 5th? Herbert got a silver in 09 and Cael dominated him...so I guess alot of it at worlds is getting a good draw?

  • From what I here Varner is actually winning the battles in the wrestling room now. On the world stage Varner’s weight class is by far the toughest of any weight. There is no such thing as a lucky draw in that weight. Herbert place second in an off year where the majority of the studs were taking time off. I Think Cael did pretty well considering the layoff and rule changes.

  • @paver1surf11 Wow, does that surprise you given that Cael mentored Varner?

  • @swimhurl Not really. It’s not like Varner was not an elite wrestler before he even got into college and they have been together now for about 7 years. So what you have is a bigger stronger version of Cael at this point. Varner always had solid defense and now his offence has elevated to match his defense...

  • @paver1surf11 I hear ya. Would you consider Welch elite? I watched a video from him at Midlands 07 before the match with Poeta...and he bitches down this kid from the University of Iowa named Brooks Kopsa...its bad...really bad. That surprised me.

  • @swimhurl EDD

    I have been around wrestling as a competitor and a fan since the early 1970s. I have only seen three other guys that I would say were better that Welch in high school. Dave Shultz, Cary Kolat and Jordan Oliver and even those guys did not have his gas tank...

  • @swimhurl As for being an elite wrestler I would put him in my top 10 in college today. I would love to see him compete in freestyle on the international level but I don’t think that is going to happen. He would have to adjust the funk style, drop down to 66 and incorporate more upper body moves. I think he could do it but I don’t think he can make 66 and he is too small for 74...

  • @paver1surf11 I hear you. How bad is it though if a University of Iowa guy gets beat down 10-1 by a high schooler like this? Would you say that speaks badly of the Iowa program? Also, what leads you to believe Welch has superior endurance to most wrestlers?

  • @swimhurl Brooks Kopsa was either a red shirt freshman or could not crack the line up at Iowa. Schools like Iowa have a lot of guys that you will never really hear about because they end up basically being training dummies for the starters in the room. In fact I can’t remember seeing Kopsa ever start for Iowa...

  • @paver1surf11 Wouldn't the growth curve at the collegiate level be sharp enough in the Iowa room so that after a year in the Iowa room you could own any high school kid?

  • @swimhurl Again it depends on the high school kid; also there are two ways you can go in a room like Iowa. You either become a stud like Daniel Dennis or you get hammered loose your confidence and fade away...

  • @paver1surf11 Point taken. Do you see similarities between Ben Askren and Welch?

  • @swimhurl Yes they are both great scramblers. Welch is much more defensive about employing the funk where as Askren lived off the funk from every position. Welch is a much better athlete than Askren but Askren has the best mat awareness that I have ever seen. That is why he has become such a good submission grappler with only a couple of years doing it...

  • @paver1surf11 Are you surprised that St.John eliminated Welch as 6 seed? Welch has got to be pissed at getting eliminated this early.

  • @swimhurl St. John is back completely from his injury He did not get knocked out of the tournament they were wrestling in the finals. I am wondering how they will seed for the NCAA all of the top seeds except for Dake lost this weekend...

  • @paver1surf11 Welch must now rely on an at-large bid since he didn't win the Big Ten. His season could well be over, right? It looked like he had stopped hustling or was gassed when St.John got that takedown.

  • @swimhurl No they take the top 6 at 157 from the Big 10; in fact they are taking the top 10 in the heavy weight division. I think his aggressiveness got him in trouble. There was 12 seconds left, if it were me you would have to have a fast car to take me down I would be stalling my ass off running away like a little girl...

  • @swimhurl St. John is one of those types of guys you hate to wrestle. First off he is so tall for the weight class that the normal moves that work on everybody don’t work on him because you have to put in that extra 4-6 inches. What I found worked for me on a guy that tall was going to the body using a duck under and high crotch so I did not get caught underneath Welch needs to forget about that match and not let it get into his head...

  • @swimhurl As for the gas tank thing every match that I have seen Welch wrestle I have yet to see his pace slow from beginning to end. Shultz was never a gas tank guy what he had was unbelievable technique and could physically hurt anyone he wrestled. I have seen Oliver gas out a few times, Kolat always had a pretty good tank but not on Welch’s level. His ability to push the pace is very close to Brent Metcalf’s...

  • @paver1surf11 I hear you...it seems like a number of Welch's matches...including his Midlands final against Sanjaa...he gives up the first take down but then goes on to control the rest of the match.

  • welch is getting worse and worse. he really did peak in high school

  • @swimhurl Wow guy you must have gotten your ass kicked by him. He is #3 in the Nation for NCAA at 157 lbs.

  • bland got fucked up.some state champ he is poor guy welch just embarrased the fuck outta him

  • at 2:22 bland is like: "wtf just happened" lol

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  • who are thoose anoying retarded little kids

  • man this guy is something else

    its rare that you see someone at those weight classes move that fast and still have perfect technique

  • damn bland was a star running back at central catholic, a star wrestler, and now hes a linebacker at wash state. is there anything he cant do?

  • i wrestled collins once his senior year. he pinned me 1.52 in to the first period. bland beat collins every time. welch wrestled up and beat collins horribly. this whole process is pretty depressing

  • Man before he did the take down with the tigh, he looked at his coach and gave him a yes, i will super embaress him lol

    THis match was the reason why Central Catholic didnt come the next year...

  • lol welch is freakin fast like a betch

  • this the Tim Brown Memorial tourney?

  • i was at this tourney... welch is a fuckin beast he went up a weight class and still beat the top 2 guys in 171 in the state... props

  • 2nd most legendary match in california history

  • and the 1st?

  • darrel vazquez and palmaino

    both 3 time state champs and darrel beat palmino to prevent him from winning 4 so he could be the only 4 time state champ in CA

    its in youtube somewhere

  • GO BLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • I saw it

    Jason Welch beat Scott Winston 8-1 in round 2 of consolation at the NCAA tornament

    Welch got a total of 3 takedowns vs Winston, riding him out twice, he even turned him once

  • NO YOUR WRONG! welch beat winston at the ncaa tournament.

  • In my opinion, best wrestling match California has seen in a while.

  • wow the guy below is stupid. i have wrestled an im jv he is hella good. lets see you wrestle him.

  • everyone say welch is some kind of machine. he looks like hes way to small for 160. after watching the two..i beleive winston would kill him.

  • welch is technique and winston is strength

  • welch beat winston at the ncaa nationals like 2 weeks ago 10-1 i believe the score was

  • i remember wathcin this shit welch is a a fuckin beast he wrestled up a weightclass to 171s in this tourny just to whoop the shit outta bland and danz

  • welch will destroy winston

  • WRONG winston beat him at midlands so TRY AGAIN

  • wrong try again! welch beat winston 10-1 at the ncca finals to knock winston out of the tournament;

  • WRONG it wasnt the finals dumbass its wrestle backs so TRY AGAIN

  • you seem to forget that welch still beat him, but obviously to you being wrong about when the match took place is worse than the actual outcome of the match. and i never said they wrestled in the finals i said at, learn how to read

  • Welch was a NOSEGUARD!

  • yeah, and i kicked his can!

  • Welch is way to small for noseguard fuknig retard, he was corner back dum fuk

  • These two are both all-state football players too; Welch is an all-state noseguard.

  • I've wrestled at this tournament!

    It's the Tim Brown Memorial at Sacramento, Cali.

  • I love wacthing Bland get his torn up at anything.

  • he score at the end was wrong, the guy filmed mat 1 when they were on mat 3

  • god that yellin was annoying lol

  • The last two high school kids jason lost to would be

    Lewis Gonzales Turlock High school, Jason lost something like 11 - 3. Jason was a freshman and Gonzales was a senior , lost in the state finals.

    and

    Luke Manuel Nevada Union High school. Jason lost by only one or two points in the finals at five counties.. Manuel was a senior and jason was a sophmore

    other than those two i can't think of any other high school kids he has lost to???

  • and Jordan Danz at the 2004 Reno Toc... Danz pinned him in 45 seconds.... Danz a senior jason a freshman

  • both of these dudes are 3x state champs in Cali.

    except Bland was at 89's and Welch at 60's. I wonder when they were both in the same weight class?

  • No they arent. welch bumped up to wrestle bland

  • winston would destroy welch

  • idk about that. i think it would be a great match, idk how good winstons defense is..welch would definetely test it

  • it looks pretty ezy to shoot a single on bland

  • It took Jason 3:45 to pin me HA!

  • There are 0, yeah 0 (ZERO) high school wrestlers in the United States of America who can beat Jason Welch.

  • There are 0, yeah 0 (ZERO) high school wrestlers in the United States of America who can beat Jason Welch.

  • conrad polz and andrew howe

  • hes gotta learn to throw in legs hed be a best if he did that

  • have u never watched any other of welchs matchs?

  • wow everytime i see welch wrestle, he either pins or techs his opponents. This is was pretty good.

  • scott Winston from New Jersey will destroy Welch.

  • Bland was at a wrestling tournament, and I badly wanted to see him wrestle. Problem is, we both were 189, I didn't wrestle him, and I had to watch him after I had wrestled, and he like pinned everyone first round, first minute. I didn't see a single match; I was pissed.

  • Lol neothejew no one at mission high school wrestles anything like jason welch.

  • yo! i wrestled at that tourny. lol on that mat! ay these boys went at it tho both these guys are amazing wrestlers. dumbass props

  • its me again... host a vid on sum of ur moves.. i love ur moves!

  • this tournament was Foothill Asics invitational

  • what tournament was this

  • SO crazy, what my friends josh me about is that my stance is like Jason's (horrible), and I did the splits in a match. But I didn't even make varsity freshman year. So my friends always tell me I'm Welch but retarded....

    I go to Mission San Jose HS in Fremont CA. So I see him at least 5x a year in tournaments.

  • jason is also the best pretty much in the country... look up jason welch loses... youll get no results

  • bland is hella good at football i seen him play

  • Jason Welch is ridiculous.

  • fuck central catholic, they get to recruit and shit, soo they have like all there sports teams are like allstar teams. like fuckin football, and wrestling. they should be in division 1, not divison 5. they fucked up our six consecutive section championships. i thought we would win it for the seventh time, but they beat us in the semi-finals. oh and us is Calaveras High, nobodys ever heard of it, soo yea.

  • if your from calaveras high as in being in the MLL you havent won 6 consecutive section championships. the only team from the MLL to win a section championship was oh yeah ARGONAUT where i went. but if your not from that calaveras then i apologize. but if you are ur a moron and need to stop makin shit up

  • welch has that shot off the whistle, if bland understands how to stop that, it is a whole different match, i think if anyone can beat the amazing welch its bland

  • they are both juniors

  • damn..these guys are good... how old is jason this year?

  • jason welch is an amazing wrestler

  • that girl is a time keeper, notice she goes to the ref toward the end of the periods, she taps him when the period is over

  • i wresled Jay once in 7th grade at my house, i lasted about 1 minute before i was pinned and could not get out. and can someone please explain to me why that girl keeps nonchalantly walking on the mat

  • so glad hes on my wrestling team =]

  • so glad hes on my wrestling team =]

  • all im gonna say is hate crime

  • amazing! and I'm not even a big wrestling fan!

  • great match

  • Amazing! He went up a weight to beat a two time Ca. State champ! Not to mention he beat's another nationally reanked kid in the finals. Amazing.

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