I love Anky, I dont care if she uses rolkur! its just a training method. Ive seen dark sides of so called natural horsemanship.. and i think thats more abusive than rolkur. Im not condoning the use of rolkur as there are somewhat preferred methods. But you cant judge someones training method without riding the horse.
Ive used slight rolkur for my tb mare as she is a shit of a horse, shes gone from a rearing neverous mess to a state champion!
This horse seems relaxed to me. I think that she is very talented and i love her riding. I think that if the horse wasnt relaxed, he wont be able to perform such a lovely ride. I have seen not relaxed horse...trust me. He bite his bit and shaked his head. If the horse wasnt relaxed....he couldnt work with his front legs. I think its amazing....i rode a dressage too and i love it.
I fully agree ThexMinE. This looks great, but unfortunately, the price many of these horses pay is very high. The Roll-kur does not allow for collection, but causes restriction. I would recommend you read Dr. Gerd Heuschmann's book "Tug of War: Classical versus "modern" dressage.
I was there for this performance and it was simply amazing. The horse looks very relaxed to me and if he wasn't he wouldn't be able to perform as he does.
Anky is almost my all-time favourite rider, but I just can't get over the fact that she uses rollkur. I used to look up to her so much! Then I heard how she rode and was so disappointed. Ah well, she's still aight. :P
Ridiculous how her other video where she's literally jumping up and down she's so stiff and jerking the reins has had its comments disabled, isn't it?
yes, i can see this horse is so abused. his tail swishing casually and his ears pricked forward, obvious signs of maltreatment. Maybe someone should get an international aid society to recruit a celebrity to raise money to save this horse from the horrible life of satisfying work and loving partnership.
@saminiky well she openly trains in the Rollkur, Hyperflextion method. FEI actually cracked down on this method due to it's negative physical and mental effects on the horse. she's not a BAD rider. there are worse. but this method is not and should not be used as any training alternative.
@twifan1011 It's basically a training method mostly developed by Anky. Do you see how overflexed her horse is? How the nose almost touches the chest? It's absolutely unnatural, unhealthy, and horribly damaging. It's taught using extremely harsh bits. That horse is in no way relaxed. Ugh, I hate it.
@Cacia97 well not even aggressive force, but through excessive training, and over working the long muscles of the back, until the horse has no other comfortable alternative but to be deep and round...if one could even call that rubbish "comfortable"...i think not.
As long as there are still people, who dont understand that those, who are training there horses with methods that are already known for causing long-term damage, shouldn`t be allowed to ride in public at this level, every horse-lover should confront those with the fact that this kind of riding is wrong.
Maybe its no Rollkur (I think nobody would dare to perform it in public) but the head is behind the vertical. And that is wrong.
He is NOT relaxed. Foaming so much is actually a sign for STRESS!
Foaming so that there is only a small white line is correct. The horses mouth snaps and everyone can see the stress in his face. Of course its a little bit because of the concentration and tension but I've already seen horses performing difficult figures with an relaxed expression-> (Seidel + Aragon)
Die Pferde die von ihr geritten werden sind einfach nur arme Tiere..und sind warscheinlich überglicklich wenn sie in ihrer Box stehen und nicht von dieser sch...person gequält werden ....!!!!
But when you look at the classical riders, and how moves like piaffe and passage are traditionally meant to be performed, the horses head rises above the vertical, and so in the sense that the dressage world is NOW about being 'pretty', any horse/rider combo can be abusive and harsh.
I don't like Anky, she has major skills but her training. . apparantly Western riders aren't too happy to have her now.
SURE it's beautyful how the horse moves in harmony with the music.
The problem is - everyone who knows Anky van Grumsh ens trainingmethods will know that nne thing is achieving beautyful results in natural ways, but quite another thing is achieving them through force intimidation and mechanics which is no art.
And as long as people admire and praise people like Anky who use force and intimidation in their training, we' will never have TRUE beauty in dressage.
Its so disappointing to see such high level riders resorting to harsh methods... Rollkur doesn't allow the horse's body and back to move freely, causing many physical problems down the line. I originally admired Anky but since I learned that she uses rollkur and have seen how uncomfortable this horse looks, I am no longer a fan.
@lindschenxD lol you shut up, a coulpe of years ago a famous rider named christine W. (German) abused her horse for one year and he died almost there for her eyes and she did NOTHING. she smashed him with ropes, sweeps and all that shit. she ride him so badly that the mouth of the horse was bleeding and there were so many scars, on the legs, on the back EVERYWHERE. Anky would nevr do that to her horses NEVER. So if she want to ride a rollkur, she can do that, because she can do it horsefriendly.
@101dancey Are you kidding me? This stallion has wonderful movement! His action ("leg flicking") is amazing. He is completely fluid and may seem choppy because Anky's shortening his stride for a change/slowing of gait or maybe because shes asking him for a different movement.
@101dancey Are you kidding me? This stallion has wonderful movement! His action ("leg flicking") is amazing. He is completely fluid and may seem choppy because Anky's shortening his stride for a change/slowing of gait or maybe because shes asking him for a different movement.
You are so lucky to have seen such an outstanding performance. Being a dressage rider, I agree with lettertolavin. An abused horse wouldn't make such well put together movements. They would most likely be choppy and short, as if the sooner it gets it done, the less time for punishment there is. Please all Anky haters, hear me out.
Any one who is able to win three individual gold medals at the Olympics and multiple world cup titles clearly has a horse that enjoys her and tries to please her. If the methods she used hurt a horse, why would they perform so well for her? All Anky haters need to learn; her methods aren't harmful, it is scientifically proven.
For all the 'Anky haters' out there, it's time for you to get a little up to date - She and her husband recently put a team of scientists to test their training techniques and they have been deemed non-harmful to the horse. Google it :)
Anything used improperly has the potential to harm a horse. The double bit system used in upper level dressage can have disastrous effects when in the wrong hands. It is clear that this horse not only is engaged and talented, but that he enjoys the movements and he enjoys his rider. A horse would not perform with the charisma that he displays without an appreciation for his rider. It is silly to condemn a rider when the physical signs so drastically point against her harming him.
For correct hoof mechanism horses should land heel first. This horse lands toe first. "Performance" horse injuries are rampant because owners/trainers/farriers/vets do not understand this. Hoof pathologies are in abundance, knowledge is not. What a waste of such fabulous horses.
@Oleuea Thanks for your thoughts. I'm wondering where you you did your research on "flat landing" please would you let me know, I'd love to read up on it. Thanks.
This is an exquisite performance. For anyone taking issue with Anky's training, you must first ride AND train a few horses to Grand Prix, and perform with a horse in front of a large crowd. This horse is not in pain, fearful or showing signs of discomfort. Suggest that all measure trainers by how long their horses stay sound and competitive, barring accidental injuries. Bonfire had quite a long and successful career.
im not asking if u give a shit!! get that through ur skull!! i have nothing personal with you or anky..i just think shes a crazy person who has no idea how to really connect with her horse!! thats all...SO STOP...u didnt have to reply to what i said in the first place..this isnt even about u.. so stop calling me a loser when u dont even know me
WHY THE FUCK DO U CARE WHAT I THINK!! omg ur an idiot!! god....seriously why do you care? why do u care that i dont agree with her training? is it effecting you in anyway?
hahahahahahaha you're so stupid. you really think i give a shit? you get so angry at nothing..big deal loser. i only care that you apprecaite everyones opinion and that you give her some credit for what she believes in.
yeah maybe im not olympic material but at least i dont force my horse to do anything and BTW im training 3rd level with my QH WITHOUT force so shove it up ur ass... sorry ur not good enough and have to force ur horse to get him collected...to bad for u
haha good for you.... like i care what you and your horse are training to do.. did i even ask?? No. besides i wasnt saying what she was doing was right i was just pointing out its basically not your problem or business. SUCK IT
Natural beauty is revealed with time taken, feel and love. To honour the beautiful horse and horsemen who use kind hands please sign the petition on website: wu-wei-verlag and clicking on: Officials! Stop Hyperflexion! Riding these magnificent animals can be wonderful but there are sadly some that abuse the generosity of these animals with the use of a quick fix hidden from the untrained eye. Sign and study the tragic physiological effect of Roll-kur. BHS supports petition.
and for everyone dissing on anky. post a vid of yall doin what she is. look at the horse, yes her technique is not the best. but her horse obviously responds postivily.
example:: look around 2:30, his ears look relaxed.
Her horse is being FORCED into that frame. It's forcing it's neck into that position, doing damage to his neck and spin. Go watch a video on what Rolkur does to a horse's body and tell me that it's fine
Are you meaning, western pleasure, or what? Ive covered, alot of western riding, & not once have I seen any horse under rollkur, Im not sayin that it never happens, but yeah. I still have alot of respect for english riders, for making their horses move like that, when theyre out in the ring.. But to me, this horse looks comfortable.
like i said i just saw it in a few articles. im not sure what exactly in western. but i know that there are some methods used other than rollkur that are used in western riding, that can possibly hurt the horse too.
and thanks for the respect, it does suck tho, to have ppl who do hurt the horse within the sport just bc it gives other riders a bad rep.
iv never used rollkur or seen anyone use it in person in what i do. even if it does go on.
and i agree i think this horse looks comfortable..
That poor creature! If that horse could choose between AvG and a lion on its back - it surely would take the lion because his riding technique is more sensitive!
genick an höchster stelle .. wo denn bitte da? oder bei einer ihrer vorstellungen, keine harmonie nur spannung und gewalt, die hängt ja förmlich an den zügeln und kann nicht mit gehen, gute pferde schlechte reiterin
das pferd geht zwar ab und zu ein bisschen hinter der senkrechten aber ROLLKUR??? nein das ist doch keine rollkur! regt euch mal ab-.- rollkur sieht ganz anders aus:Dd
The horses neck may just be more flexable. My horse Apollo has never been trained for dressage or any other horse sport and his head goes beyond the vertical. He runs around the padock with his neck beyond the verticle and he's never had rollkur training or whatever.
i wondered if anybody would ever come to this conclusion! THANK YOU! i rode two mares, dezija and cariga and both of them had the problem your horse has. and it makes me angry if people wirte something about hyperflexion in my videos. and then looking at theire pages you can see them ride and instead of learning it, they were judging about others. i don´t see hyperflexion in this video! people should stop talking everything bad of anky.
I don't doubt people do use Rollkur to hyperflex a horses neck, but I would think that Their mouths would be foaming bad and accually show they don't like it. And it doesn't appear that this horse is uncomfortable. He accually looks pretty comfortable. Different horses hold their heads differently. My friends mare Athena keeps her head strait but her head vertical. My friends mom's horse Dude keeps his head up but his neck up, and my friends sister's mare Artemis keeps her head and neck strait.
I agree with you, but foam is actually good. It means they are accepting the bit and relaxed to it which is a good thing. However I really don't see hyperflexion going on in this video and like you said, he doesn't look uncomfortable.
@gracedunlap108 when a horse foams at the mouth its a good sign, it means they're relaxed with the bit in some dressage events you actually earn points for that
@gracedunlap108 Foaming at the mouth doesn't always mean they don't like it. It usually means their working correctly. but rollkur create excessive foaming. too much of it
@gracedunlap108 He looks comfortable becaue he's NOT in rolkur. You cant use rolkur in an actual test because in a test the horses head should be vertical.In rolkur the head is BEHIND the vertical so it can only be used for schooling not actual tests. To my eye this horse looks heavy, stiff and lacking in enrgy/sparkle.
Totally agree with you. This horse to me doesn't look that over flexed and actually quite comfortable. It's interesting that soooo many people diss her, when infact she is a great rider and so talented! I know a few horses that naturally bring their heads in very far and do it all the time, I also have horses who stick their noses in the air. They are all so different, and should no one should critize anyone unless they really know and understand the rider and horses themselves.
i agree with you, but look at her bottom rein! its almost parallel to the ground! that rein is barely supposed to be touched! they r supposed to be riding almost completely on their snaffle rein and then only use the bottom rein if they get strong and its a give and take deal with it!
I see what your talking about, but possibly it's just a way she is with this horse. I won't try to assume anything, but the big guy is a nice frame without looking uncomfortable, so who knows :/
It's not cruel! it's a training method. Not every horse needs to be asked the same way for the horse to respond everybody has there different ways! I am not a big fan of Anky but give the girl a break!
Ok, yeah i have done some reviewing on it and It does sorta affect the horse, All Anky does is Use it as a training method she doesnt actually ride that way.
ohh jee wo ist das genick?? auf jedenfall nicht die höchste stelle! echt schlimm es reitet sie schon in vorführungen rollkur! und bei sowas auch noch klatschen man keiner siehr wie dieses alle pferde von ihr gequält werden!
@Hilaryeffinsucks some trained dressage horses instantly go to rollkur, it does NOT hurt horses, they toughen they're neck muscles, and it's good for their health ;)
@Hilaryeffinsucks same here. when i heard she won a gold medal or some sort of championship, i thought she was the greatest rider ever. then i also learned about rollkur and saw how she super-hyperextended her horses' necks. she flew off my favorite people list.
you want to say that horse is not relaxed? watch the tail, it sways and wags as he moves, his movements flow beautifully, and to top everything off, hes not even at his home, but in a competition and this relaxed. Oh my, how he is such a fearful horse. =P (sarcasm if you cant figure it out)
I love her riding- so fluid, even so, you can't tell that she's signaling the horse. I ride and compete in dressage- this us better than any other rider I've seen! My dressage teacher is the President of the TN Dressage Corporation, so she loves Anky.
so you're saying that anky doesn't ride correctly, but do you live with her? do you watch her ride every day? do you train with her? no. so you can't possibly say that her riding is bad until you actually do watch her ride each horse EVERY SINGLE DAY.
Actually, you can breed hoses to have such a genetic that they'll put up with all but the most cruel. Most of these great horses work fairly well even through abuse. the only thing you'll notice is that they lack joy and expression in their work and in Anky's horses's case, because their backs are not relaxed as they should, the hind legs don't come near as far underneath as they could! cos these dressage bred horses can sure reach under! just see them play on the loose!
es erschreckt mich, wenn ich hier lesen muss, wie super diese frau reitet! ist das wirklich der standard der heutigen dressur??? das hat nichts mit klassischem reiten zu tun, sondern mit profit und vermarktung! diese frau und noch viele andere im pferdesport gehörten, meiner meinung nach,
ok tiescharh ......... anky is a great rider. just because she knows how to ride , very well dosnt make her a cruel person. her horses love what they do , and you never see her beating her horse with the whip or crushing her leg against her horses side with spurs on. im not saying your worng , but before you post things like that you know will piss everyone else off , you should probably get your facts right.
ja genau wudnerbar echt toll geriten..bei der trabverstärkung gleich mal vorne schöön raus und hinten nix nach über den rasenschleifend :( echt schlimm diese rollkur köningen!
oh so I'm guessing you train with her and you can see how "cruel" she is because you see her ride every day.
YOU need to think about the things you say before you critisize someone you don't even KNOW!
plus, if she was "beating" her horses, she wouldn't have gotten away with it for THIS LONG! someone would have found out and it would be all over the horse magazines. so unless you have actually witnessed her "beating" her horses every day, GO AHEAD! tell me what I'm saying is wrong!
It isn't beating. It is overflexing the back and the neck so it can perform with unnaturally flexed muscles. It is animal cruelty, and it it wrong. They are considering banning the use of roll-kur, but doing so would disqualify half the professional riders. Look it up.
Apart from the animal cruelty, the horse looks beautiful and at ease when performing. Perfect dressage!
yes of cousre i will sub you! i always intended to but forgot to inclde that in my note :) thankyouu!! the video wont b downloaded and stuff yet,,im gunna wait unbtil i have a few people say i can use vid and then yepps ill make it! thanks again!!
Not every training method works for every horse. I've learned that in my years of riding and training horses. What works for one might not work for another. If it works for this horse, good if not, I'm sure she's flexible enough to choose another method. Anky knows her stuff - after all, her record speaks for itself.
Aber diese verdammte Rollkurmethode ist nicht normal! Die Pferde werden dann ängstlich. Eine neue Studie hat sogar belegt 14:1 Pferde entscheiden sich GEGEN Rollkur... Ist im St. Georg drin (aber hast du wahrscheinlich nicht weil aus USA oder so bist) auf jeden Fall finde ich es abartig dem Pferd so hart im Maul rumzuzerren dass der Kopf auf der Brust ist und das Pferd fast nix mehr sieht
agreed. i mean, some horses respond to different training methods, rather than others :) and just by watching this vid, the horse looks quite relaxed and not uncomfortable.
I agree about the merits-part.. Even she´s had her share of big medals, that doesnt mean everything she says or does should not be judged. Exampl: once I discussed with a woman about the dressage-level of fjords, and she said a friend of hers, who races,owns a breeding-and a regular ridingstable,
I love Anky, I dont care if she uses rolkur! its just a training method. Ive seen dark sides of so called natural horsemanship.. and i think thats more abusive than rolkur. Im not condoning the use of rolkur as there are somewhat preferred methods. But you cant judge someones training method without riding the horse.
Ive used slight rolkur for my tb mare as she is a shit of a horse, shes gone from a rearing neverous mess to a state champion!
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Mia200970 3 months ago
This horse seems relaxed to me. I think that she is very talented and i love her riding. I think that if the horse wasnt relaxed, he wont be able to perform such a lovely ride. I have seen not relaxed horse...trust me. He bite his bit and shaked his head. If the horse wasnt relaxed....he couldnt work with his front legs. I think its amazing....i rode a dressage too and i love it.
Mia200970 3 months ago
I fully agree ThexMinE. This looks great, but unfortunately, the price many of these horses pay is very high. The Roll-kur does not allow for collection, but causes restriction. I would recommend you read Dr. Gerd Heuschmann's book "Tug of War: Classical versus "modern" dressage.
Aliceinwonderland49 4 months ago
I was there for this performance and it was simply amazing. The horse looks very relaxed to me and if he wasn't he wouldn't be able to perform as he does.
Boxerlady57 4 months ago 2
it's a fucking pitty that she's still allowed to ride...
florful96 4 months ago
Anky is almost my all-time favourite rider, but I just can't get over the fact that she uses rollkur. I used to look up to her so much! Then I heard how she rode and was so disappointed. Ah well, she's still aight. :P
EncoreDressage656 4 months ago
can't see how this is entertainment, it's fucking abuse.
JoZoLiMe 4 months ago
Ridiculous how her other video where she's literally jumping up and down she's so stiff and jerking the reins has had its comments disabled, isn't it?
iridemorethanibath 4 months ago
yes, i can see this horse is so abused. his tail swishing casually and his ears pricked forward, obvious signs of maltreatment. Maybe someone should get an international aid society to recruit a celebrity to raise money to save this horse from the horrible life of satisfying work and loving partnership.
craisydazy18 5 months ago
could tell me all the songs in this video? thanks
laia94bdn 6 months ago
@laia94bdn Please check the video's description. Thank you!
RheallWolf 4 months ago
Rollkur...... that horse hardly looks destroyed to me. In fact he looks pretty darn fabulous!!
Boxerlady57 6 months ago
Anky is one of the most amazing riders I have ever watched. For those of you "hating" her.... out of curiosity .... are you western riders??
Boxerlady57 6 months ago
@Boxerlady57 Anky rides western as well.
Vesvira 5 months ago
to all of you 'hating' her, why did she get to the olympics if she is a bad rider?
FEI should have banned her long ago if she was an awfull rider that abuses horses.
saminiky 6 months ago
@saminiky well she openly trains in the Rollkur, Hyperflextion method. FEI actually cracked down on this method due to it's negative physical and mental effects on the horse. she's not a BAD rider. there are worse. but this method is not and should not be used as any training alternative.
blahmeme 6 months ago
She is disgusting! Enter "Anky van Grunsven talks about her method"
There SHE ADMITS THAT SHE USES ROLLKUR!
For those who still don't believe it!
nikeman1988 6 months ago
This is beautiful =D
GreenBayBreyerFarm 9 months ago
Does anyone know what breed he is and if he is up for breeding??
SophiaThePumpkinKing 10 months ago
lol i have a crack C to he is 6 years and he is very relaxed XD if you a corrot hit's i'm, he is not impresed XD
DeDoodIsHier13 10 months ago
May I ask what Rollkur is?
twifan1011 10 months ago
@twifan1011 It's basically a training method mostly developed by Anky. Do you see how overflexed her horse is? How the nose almost touches the chest? It's absolutely unnatural, unhealthy, and horribly damaging. It's taught using extremely harsh bits. That horse is in no way relaxed. Ugh, I hate it.
horseyjill28 7 months ago
@twifan1011
Rollkur is flexion of the horse's neck achieved through aggressive force,
FEI, though differentiates Rollkur and riding of the horse in a deep outline not achieved by force.
Cacia97 7 months ago
@Cacia97 well not even aggressive force, but through excessive training, and over working the long muscles of the back, until the horse has no other comfortable alternative but to be deep and round...if one could even call that rubbish "comfortable"...i think not.
blahmeme 6 months ago
How can someone like rollkur?! YOU DESTROY THE HORSE, CAN'T YOU SEE THAT!?
Chamirgullet 11 months ago
this is well good <3 x
lilmissbrookiebeeabl 11 months ago
ik vind het zo goed
SpeedcoreVerklatscht 11 months ago
just lovely.
7466309change 1 year ago
As long as there are still people, who dont understand that those, who are training there horses with methods that are already known for causing long-term damage, shouldn`t be allowed to ride in public at this level, every horse-lover should confront those with the fact that this kind of riding is wrong.
ThexMinE 1 year ago 14
Maybe its no Rollkur (I think nobody would dare to perform it in public) but the head is behind the vertical. And that is wrong.
He is NOT relaxed. Foaming so much is actually a sign for STRESS!
Foaming so that there is only a small white line is correct. The horses mouth snaps and everyone can see the stress in his face. Of course its a little bit because of the concentration and tension but I've already seen horses performing difficult figures with an relaxed expression-> (Seidel + Aragon)
ThexMinE 1 year ago
Die Pferde die von ihr geritten werden sind einfach nur arme Tiere..und sind warscheinlich überglicklich wenn sie in ihrer Box stehen und nicht von dieser sch...person gequält werden ....!!!!
XxBlackPearl 1 year ago
But when you look at the classical riders, and how moves like piaffe and passage are traditionally meant to be performed, the horses head rises above the vertical, and so in the sense that the dressage world is NOW about being 'pretty', any horse/rider combo can be abusive and harsh.
I don't like Anky, she has major skills but her training. . apparantly Western riders aren't too happy to have her now.
jen4dougie4eva 1 year ago
I used to admire this lady so much
mawazhere13 1 year ago
Hello Evander. 2011!
Come water ski with me Evander.
JVOCQC 1 year ago
Hello Evander.
JVOCQC 1 year ago
SURE it's beautyful how the horse moves in harmony with the music.
The problem is - everyone who knows Anky van Grumsh ens trainingmethods will know that nne thing is achieving beautyful results in natural ways, but quite another thing is achieving them through force intimidation and mechanics which is no art.
And as long as people admire and praise people like Anky who use force and intimidation in their training, we' will never have TRUE beauty in dressage.
TheAnnestube 1 year ago
Its so disappointing to see such high level riders resorting to harsh methods... Rollkur doesn't allow the horse's body and back to move freely, causing many physical problems down the line. I originally admired Anky but since I learned that she uses rollkur and have seen how uncomfortable this horse looks, I am no longer a fan.
Amplifytwo 1 year ago
das die die noch beklatschen...eh-.-
lindschenxD 1 year ago
@lindschenxD lol you shut up, a coulpe of years ago a famous rider named christine W. (German) abused her horse for one year and he died almost there for her eyes and she did NOTHING. she smashed him with ropes, sweeps and all that shit. she ride him so badly that the mouth of the horse was bleeding and there were so many scars, on the legs, on the back EVERYWHERE. Anky would nevr do that to her horses NEVER. So if she want to ride a rollkur, she can do that, because she can do it horsefriendly.
blitziee 1 year ago
@blitziee rollkur, in no way possible, is HORSE FRIENDLY
kikiza123 1 year ago
i thik this is a very nice dressage, but the way her horses have to learn to dance like this is not OK.
2409NORa 1 year ago
Je ne savais pas que les chevaux savaient danser le tango...
adelem86 1 year ago
i hate her
tesyka95 1 year ago
Anky is the MEANEST person in the world!!! She rides in rollkur!!!
tesyka95 1 year ago
Anky van Grunsven.. dan denk je toch aan Brabant?
dandenkjeaanbrabant.nl
dandenkjeaanbrabant 1 year ago
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@101dancey Are you kidding me? This stallion has wonderful movement! His action ("leg flicking") is amazing. He is completely fluid and may seem choppy because Anky's shortening his stride for a change/slowing of gait or maybe because shes asking him for a different movement.
EverythingEquine01 1 year ago
@101dancey Are you kidding me? This stallion has wonderful movement! His action ("leg flicking") is amazing. He is completely fluid and may seem choppy because Anky's shortening his stride for a change/slowing of gait or maybe because shes asking him for a different movement.
EverythingEquine01 1 year ago
I love dressage to music- its like the perfect dance
QueenBeatlesWings 1 year ago
No matter what horse, she is still queen of the dance. Great music and foot falls timing. Thanks for the video.
RoguePhoenix6 1 year ago
verry nice
janaguus 1 year ago
the movement's aren't as natural as some of her otehr horses this one seams very stiff and flick's it's leg's out alot
101dancey 1 year ago
what happened to the horse she rode in the olympics- the black one?
QueenBeatlesWings 1 year ago
@QueenBeatlesWings
nothing, he is still training and riding.
this is an old video :)
Tesssix 1 year ago
i could freak out if i just see her. horrible
sponkra 1 year ago
You are so lucky to have seen such an outstanding performance. Being a dressage rider, I agree with lettertolavin. An abused horse wouldn't make such well put together movements. They would most likely be choppy and short, as if the sooner it gets it done, the less time for punishment there is. Please all Anky haters, hear me out.
calypsoluv132 1 year ago
I thought you were supposed to be quiet during dressage performances. So I've heard.
1989ProblemChild 1 year ago
brilliant!! most amazing dresage star!!!
kellyandmew 1 year ago
Any one who is able to win three individual gold medals at the Olympics and multiple world cup titles clearly has a horse that enjoys her and tries to please her. If the methods she used hurt a horse, why would they perform so well for her? All Anky haters need to learn; her methods aren't harmful, it is scientifically proven.
Dressage34 1 year ago
For all the 'Anky haters' out there, it's time for you to get a little up to date - She and her husband recently put a team of scientists to test their training techniques and they have been deemed non-harmful to the horse. Google it :)
Oleuea 1 year ago
this woman suck!!! I hope someday a horse kill her!!! xP and then i love that horse^^
PenGuiNforLiFe 1 year ago
Anything used improperly has the potential to harm a horse. The double bit system used in upper level dressage can have disastrous effects when in the wrong hands. It is clear that this horse not only is engaged and talented, but that he enjoys the movements and he enjoys his rider. A horse would not perform with the charisma that he displays without an appreciation for his rider. It is silly to condemn a rider when the physical signs so drastically point against her harming him.
lettertolavin 1 year ago
For correct hoof mechanism horses should land heel first. This horse lands toe first. "Performance" horse injuries are rampant because owners/trainers/farriers/vets do not understand this. Hoof pathologies are in abundance, knowledge is not. What a waste of such fabulous horses.
WTP7 1 year ago
@WTP7 Actually, for correct hoof mechanism horses hooves should land flat, not heel first, toe first, one side first, etc. Completely flat.
Oleuea 1 year ago
@Oleuea Thanks for your thoughts. I'm wondering where you you did your research on "flat landing" please would you let me know, I'd love to read up on it. Thanks.
WTP7 1 year ago
such a bad rider with such a good horse...
1994SummerBreeze 1 year ago
@1994SummerBreeze, if she was a bad rider, why did she won 3 golden medails at the olympic games?
(sorry for my bad english!)
MExJUDITH 1 year ago
This is an exquisite performance. For anyone taking issue with Anky's training, you must first ride AND train a few horses to Grand Prix, and perform with a horse in front of a large crowd. This horse is not in pain, fearful or showing signs of discomfort. Suggest that all measure trainers by how long their horses stay sound and competitive, barring accidental injuries. Bonfire had quite a long and successful career.
Walnut28Comms 1 year ago
wow
LoveRideLive 1 year ago
horseridingbabe588
im not asking if u give a shit!! get that through ur skull!! i have nothing personal with you or anky..i just think shes a crazy person who has no idea how to really connect with her horse!! thats all...SO STOP...u didnt have to reply to what i said in the first place..this isnt even about u.. so stop calling me a loser when u dont even know me
VaMpYhRe666grlz 1 year ago
@horseridingbabe588
WHY THE FUCK DO U CARE WHAT I THINK!! omg ur an idiot!! god....seriously why do you care? why do u care that i dont agree with her training? is it effecting you in anyway?
VaMpYhRe666grlz 1 year ago
hahahahahahaha you're so stupid. you really think i give a shit? you get so angry at nothing..big deal loser. i only care that you apprecaite everyones opinion and that you give her some credit for what she believes in.
horseridingbabe588 1 year ago
This is beautiful..
MsZarsky 1 year ago
I Hate this Woman !!!
Rollkur... she is crazy... poor Horse :(
hohlhoch3 1 year ago
what the hell did she do wrong!!??
horseridingbabe588 1 year ago
@horseridingbabe588
yeah maybe im not olympic material but at least i dont force my horse to do anything and BTW im training 3rd level with my QH WITHOUT force so shove it up ur ass... sorry ur not good enough and have to force ur horse to get him collected...to bad for u
VaMpYhRe666grlz 1 year ago
haha good for you.... like i care what you and your horse are training to do.. did i even ask?? No. besides i wasnt saying what she was doing was right i was just pointing out its basically not your problem or business. SUCK IT
horseridingbabe588 1 year ago
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Horsehealth 1 year ago
so i rid horse to but i never see something like that:O
Anky is Nethelands I'm to!!
But it's rally cool!!
NetteXTezz 2 years ago
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VaMpYhRe666grlz 2 years ago
oh shut up just because your not as good as she is. loser
horseridingbabe588 1 year ago
0:55-1:10 ;; 2:15-2:25 ;; 2:40-2:55 ;; 2:20-2:23 ;; 5:05-5:25 ;; 5:27-5:33
and for everyone dissing on anky. post a vid of yall doin what she is. look at the horse, yes her technique is not the best. but her horse obviously responds postivily.
example:: look around 2:30, his ears look relaxed.
:) just my opinion
-thank you- Starr ♥
StarStruck203 2 years ago
Her horse is being FORCED into that frame. It's forcing it's neck into that position, doing damage to his neck and spin. Go watch a video on what Rolkur does to a horse's body and tell me that it's fine
StormValleyStables 2 years ago
did i SAY i thought it was a great practice?
no i didnt. i never said that. all i said was that by watching the vid, the horse looks comfortable, and pretty relaxed.
also, its not like anky is the only one who uses this practice, many jumpers do, and many western riders do too.
so yeaaa...
StarStruck203 2 years ago
That horse is not relaxed
StormValleyStables 2 years ago 26
@StormValleyStables YOU GO! Come on. Is that all you can say? Please.
creichmuth 1 year ago
Look at his tail - very relaxed considering routine!
starletstyles 9 months ago
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blahmeme 6 months ago
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by routine you mean submission to an unyielding rider.
blahmeme 6 months ago
@StormValleyStables i dont think they are supposed to be relaxed doing that haha
garfieldzgirl 9 months ago
Many western riders use Rollkur? Is that what your saying?
sarahbarrelracer 2 years ago
from what i have read, and some of the research i have done, yes thats what im saying.
thats just what i have read in some reports.
but i mean, jumpers, dressage, western. we all have our vices, and things other ppl are gonna hate. even within the sport.
ya know?
StarStruck203 2 years ago
Are you meaning, western pleasure, or what? Ive covered, alot of western riding, & not once have I seen any horse under rollkur, Im not sayin that it never happens, but yeah. I still have alot of respect for english riders, for making their horses move like that, when theyre out in the ring.. But to me, this horse looks comfortable.
sarahbarrelracer 2 years ago
like i said i just saw it in a few articles. im not sure what exactly in western. but i know that there are some methods used other than rollkur that are used in western riding, that can possibly hurt the horse too.
and thanks for the respect, it does suck tho, to have ppl who do hurt the horse within the sport just bc it gives other riders a bad rep.
iv never used rollkur or seen anyone use it in person in what i do. even if it does go on.
and i agree i think this horse looks comfortable..
StarStruck203 1 year ago
Who knows what the music is called? I might need it for a musical freestyle too, but I wont be copying hers, I just like this type of music.
PsychoPonies 2 years ago
The music is "La Cumparsita", the famous tango tune. =) Hope that helps!
RheallWolf 2 years ago
Thanks =D
PsychoPonies 2 years ago
@PsychoPonies also parts from bizets operea "carmen" and from a piece called "morgenstimmung", but i don't know who wrote this
avrillavigne1981 1 year ago
@PsychoPonies dit is de zelfgemaakte tangokur van anky
hij bestaat zelf niet
alleen voor anky want zij heeft het gemaakt voor haar kur :P
hoop dat je het begrijpt want het is nu nederlands :P
themultihanna 1 year ago
its generic and nasty..theres no elegence or harmony...theres nothing special about it
VaMpYhRe666grlz 2 years ago
i'd like to see you try
SupernaturalLover303 2 years ago
so so so so true
StormValleyStables 2 years ago
That poor creature! If that horse could choose between AvG and a lion on its back - it surely would take the lion because his riding technique is more sensitive!
SchoeneTischlerin 2 years ago
rollkur at it´s best -.-
BlueTrail93 2 years ago
I just won a first place ribbon at a dressage show:)
MyHorseRulesDressage 2 years ago
Krack C...
My ideal.
zurel27 2 years ago
genick an höchster stelle .. wo denn bitte da? oder bei einer ihrer vorstellungen, keine harmonie nur spannung und gewalt, die hängt ja förmlich an den zügeln und kann nicht mit gehen, gute pferde schlechte reiterin
WoWcrookers 2 years ago 3
Ich finds so krass wie man wenn man so reitet, so weit kommen kann?! bitte^^
Also da benimmt se sich ja noch einigermaßen, also es ist noch erträglich,.. aber ihr müsst euch nur mal vorstellen, wie die daheim reitet?!!!
maedchen8 2 years ago 2
ich hasse sie
sie is ne scheiß tierquälerin!!!!
kittyli1000 2 years ago
das pferd geht zwar ab und zu ein bisschen hinter der senkrechten aber ROLLKUR??? nein das ist doch keine rollkur! regt euch mal ab-.- rollkur sieht ganz anders aus:Dd
42funny 2 years ago
alles was länger als ne halbe minute hinter der senkrechten ist ist für mich rollkur.
FlightlessBird95 2 years ago
Such a terrible case of Rollkur! :@ I get so angry!
josefineborgstrom 2 years ago
The horses neck may just be more flexable. My horse Apollo has never been trained for dressage or any other horse sport and his head goes beyond the vertical. He runs around the padock with his neck beyond the verticle and he's never had rollkur training or whatever.
gracedunlap108 2 years ago 2
i wondered if anybody would ever come to this conclusion! THANK YOU! i rode two mares, dezija and cariga and both of them had the problem your horse has. and it makes me angry if people wirte something about hyperflexion in my videos. and then looking at theire pages you can see them ride and instead of learning it, they were judging about others. i don´t see hyperflexion in this video! people should stop talking everything bad of anky.
1010nicole1010 2 years ago
I don't doubt people do use Rollkur to hyperflex a horses neck, but I would think that Their mouths would be foaming bad and accually show they don't like it. And it doesn't appear that this horse is uncomfortable. He accually looks pretty comfortable. Different horses hold their heads differently. My friends mare Athena keeps her head strait but her head vertical. My friends mom's horse Dude keeps his head up but his neck up, and my friends sister's mare Artemis keeps her head and neck strait.
gracedunlap108 2 years ago 5
I agree with you, but foam is actually good. It means they are accepting the bit and relaxed to it which is a good thing. However I really don't see hyperflexion going on in this video and like you said, he doesn't look uncomfortable.
BLiSSFULxFiLLY 2 years ago 3
the foaming is because their heads are low and their mouths are relaxed so they are salvating.
kyosinmyheart 2 years ago
@gracedunlap108 the horse's foam is a sign that his bit fits nicely and that it's comfortable in his mouth :)
katarinakonj 1 year ago
@gracedunlap108 when a horse foams at the mouth its a good sign, it means they're relaxed with the bit in some dressage events you actually earn points for that
QueenBeatlesWings 1 year ago
@gracedunlap108 Foaming at the mouth doesn't always mean they don't like it. It usually means their working correctly. but rollkur create excessive foaming. too much of it
saskun12 1 year ago
@gracedunlap108 He looks comfortable becaue he's NOT in rolkur. You cant use rolkur in an actual test because in a test the horses head should be vertical.In rolkur the head is BEHIND the vertical so it can only be used for schooling not actual tests. To my eye this horse looks heavy, stiff and lacking in enrgy/sparkle.
nags2bitches 1 year ago
Totally agree with you. This horse to me doesn't look that over flexed and actually quite comfortable. It's interesting that soooo many people diss her, when infact she is a great rider and so talented! I know a few horses that naturally bring their heads in very far and do it all the time, I also have horses who stick their noses in the air. They are all so different, and should no one should critize anyone unless they really know and understand the rider and horses themselves.
BLiSSFULxFiLLY 2 years ago 2
i agree with you, but look at her bottom rein! its almost parallel to the ground! that rein is barely supposed to be touched! they r supposed to be riding almost completely on their snaffle rein and then only use the bottom rein if they get strong and its a give and take deal with it!
thebluebot 2 years ago
I see what your talking about, but possibly it's just a way she is with this horse. I won't try to assume anything, but the big guy is a nice frame without looking uncomfortable, so who knows :/
BLiSSFULxFiLLY 2 years ago
no i don`t like this style it`s cruel whatever you say
wachterwachter 2 years ago
what style is that?
Rullker?
cus that is cruel, not dressage.
littlemsjay 2 years ago 3
It's not cruel! it's a training method. Not every horse needs to be asked the same way for the horse to respond everybody has there different ways! I am not a big fan of Anky but give the girl a break!
equestrianlover1832 2 years ago
maybe you should do some research about it, then you view on it might change.
you will see how rollkur really affects the horse. I beleive Dressage can and should be achieved in a natural way. Not like that.
littlemsjay 2 years ago 3
Ok, yeah i have done some reviewing on it and It does sorta affect the horse, All Anky does is Use it as a training method she doesnt actually ride that way.
equestrianlover1832 2 years ago
What song is this? =)
DressagexGirl 2 years ago
ohh jee wo ist das genick?? auf jedenfall nicht die höchste stelle! echt schlimm es reitet sie schon in vorführungen rollkur! und bei sowas auch noch klatschen man keiner siehr wie dieses alle pferde von ihr gequält werden!
MiSSTOTALLY 2 years ago
Here's what I'll say about Anky: I used to love her. I thought she was amazing. I thought she was one of the best riders in the world.
And then I learned what rollkur was. I suggest EVERYONE on here fighting about dressage and Anky look up that term.
And realize two things: 1) Not all dressage riders use rollkur, and 2) Anky DOES use rollkur.
I am no longer impressed by Anky.
Hilaryeffinsucks 2 years ago 9
@Hilaryeffinsucks I agree!!!
SweetJudith12345 1 year ago
@Hilaryeffinsucks some trained dressage horses instantly go to rollkur, it does NOT hurt horses, they toughen they're neck muscles, and it's good for their health ;)
katarinakonj 1 year ago
@Hilaryeffinsucks amen
IRide4TheBlue 1 year ago
@Hilaryeffinsucks same here. when i heard she won a gold medal or some sort of championship, i thought she was the greatest rider ever. then i also learned about rollkur and saw how she super-hyperextended her horses' necks. she flew off my favorite people list.
kikiza123 1 year ago
you want to say that horse is not relaxed? watch the tail, it sways and wags as he moves, his movements flow beautifully, and to top everything off, hes not even at his home, but in a competition and this relaxed. Oh my, how he is such a fearful horse. =P (sarcasm if you cant figure it out)
naturalhorsemanship4 2 years ago 2
I love her riding- so fluid, even so, you can't tell that she's signaling the horse. I ride and compete in dressage- this us better than any other rider I've seen! My dressage teacher is the President of the TN Dressage Corporation, so she loves Anky.
calypsoluv132 2 years ago
I ride horses and have heard of this. But dressage horses are usually trained in a demanding way though. But still how can you upstage this fact:
Just because the method exists, it does't mean every great rider uses it. Right?
Message me if you disagree or want to talk it over.
calypsoluv132 2 years ago
so you're saying that anky doesn't ride correctly, but do you live with her? do you watch her ride every day? do you train with her? no. so you can't possibly say that her riding is bad until you actually do watch her ride each horse EVERY SINGLE DAY.
RRhapsodylover 2 years ago
very nice ride. Anky van Grunsven is a good dressage rider and she trains her horse very good.
greeztt from Alicia NL !!
HCAliciaNL14 2 years ago
Ah, I've never seen her riding before. Shes a good rider, dont find the horse as good though. Music goes along good with the performance lol.
sportyIno22 2 years ago
Okay, people are saying they hate her.
First- Why would you go to her vids if you don't like her? Just to trash her?
Second- You can't get a horse to do anything except fear people when you beat or abuse them, so how could she get her horses to do those things?
-calypsoluv132
calypsoluv132 2 years ago
Actually, you can breed hoses to have such a genetic that they'll put up with all but the most cruel. Most of these great horses work fairly well even through abuse. the only thing you'll notice is that they lack joy and expression in their work and in Anky's horses's case, because their backs are not relaxed as they should, the hind legs don't come near as far underneath as they could! cos these dressage bred horses can sure reach under! just see them play on the loose!
DJBelbe 2 years ago 2
...there are horses that do not fight or show fear but just give in after while.
i also read about really cruel methods of sedating horses with withdrawal of water.
i am sorry i do not remember the exact source, it may have been st.georgs magazine (german).
and humans are able to be cruel in order to win or be famous or whatever...
smilinwiebke 2 years ago
anky is my favorite dressage rider !!!!!!!!!!! <33
hevoshullu1000 2 years ago
also
wie könnt ihr nur sagen dass sie gut reitet??
das ist tierquaälerei
das sit echt schlimm
rollkur?!? davon gehört
das schädigt die pferde
ich has*se sie
IMOJessBoomer 2 years ago
es erschreckt mich, wenn ich hier lesen muss, wie super diese frau reitet! ist das wirklich der standard der heutigen dressur??? das hat nichts mit klassischem reiten zu tun, sondern mit profit und vermarktung! diese frau und noch viele andere im pferdesport gehörten, meiner meinung nach,
Schnien05 2 years ago
ok tiescharh ......... anky is a great rider. just because she knows how to ride , very well dosnt make her a cruel person. her horses love what they do , and you never see her beating her horse with the whip or crushing her leg against her horses side with spurs on. im not saying your worng , but before you post things like that you know will piss everyone else off , you should probably get your facts right.
Dressagequeen17 2 years ago
ja genau wudnerbar echt toll geriten..bei der trabverstärkung gleich mal vorne schöön raus und hinten nix nach über den rasenschleifend :( echt schlimm diese rollkur köningen!
MegaFashionStar 2 years ago
i hate this person! of course shes a good rider but her methods to train the horses are so cruel.
some of you have to think about theese things before you say shes your idol! think of the horses!!!!
Tiescharh 2 years ago
tiescharh: and what exactly are her methods of training??
gsukrw06 2 years ago
oh so I'm guessing you train with her and you can see how "cruel" she is because you see her ride every day.
YOU need to think about the things you say before you critisize someone you don't even KNOW!
plus, if she was "beating" her horses, she wouldn't have gotten away with it for THIS LONG! someone would have found out and it would be all over the horse magazines. so unless you have actually witnessed her "beating" her horses every day, GO AHEAD! tell me what I'm saying is wrong!
RRhapsodylover 2 years ago
It isn't beating. It is overflexing the back and the neck so it can perform with unnaturally flexed muscles. It is animal cruelty, and it it wrong. They are considering banning the use of roll-kur, but doing so would disqualify half the professional riders. Look it up.
Apart from the animal cruelty, the horse looks beautiful and at ease when performing. Perfect dressage!
frkschunck 2 years ago
I luv you Anky! You're my horse and me's idol! :P
EquestrianBayby 2 years ago 2
She's the one who got me interested in Dressage lol. -high fives- My idol too.
Noiddance 2 years ago 2
@denoforpurple
Are u crazy?shi is really cruelty to her horse!!
IMOJessBoomer 2 years ago
There are just no words that can describe such beauty!!!
ArabianOfYourDreams 2 years ago 3
she's amazing..:D
avantiensam 2 years ago
Okay WTF IMOJessBoomer, you probably dont even know how to ride so you shouldnt be talking!
oviously you dont what it would take to ride that well, so lay off!
denoforpurple 2 years ago
@denoforpurple:
dude i agree, what an asshat IMOJessBoomer is. This is an Olympic rider in both Dressage and in 2012 Reining (apparently).
MisaMisaAnimer 2 years ago
may i please use this for a dressgage video im making?
fcthecool 2 years ago
Go ahead! A credit would be nice, though. =)
RheallWolf 2 years ago
yes of cousre i will sub you! i always intended to but forgot to inclde that in my note :) thankyouu!! the video wont b downloaded and stuff yet,,im gunna wait unbtil i have a few people say i can use vid and then yepps ill make it! thanks again!!
fcthecool 2 years ago
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@hazel
are you crazy she rides really bad
the pooooor horse
IMOJessBoomer 2 years ago
pfft, ride badly? ...ha. shes a fantastic rider. Id truely love to see you ride this horse.
pleatec13 2 years ago
Wow.. !! I love the way the horse moves! It's just awesome. I LOVE Anky!
hazel43717 2 years ago
arghhh she is my hero.
pffft and im only just starting elementary !!
Miachickenwhisperer 2 years ago
Not every training method works for every horse. I've learned that in my years of riding and training horses. What works for one might not work for another. If it works for this horse, good if not, I'm sure she's flexible enough to choose another method. Anky knows her stuff - after all, her record speaks for itself.
medic50646 2 years ago
i second this notion.
lucyfreecan 2 years ago
Aber diese verdammte Rollkurmethode ist nicht normal! Die Pferde werden dann ängstlich. Eine neue Studie hat sogar belegt 14:1 Pferde entscheiden sich GEGEN Rollkur... Ist im St. Georg drin (aber hast du wahrscheinlich nicht weil aus USA oder so bist) auf jeden Fall finde ich es abartig dem Pferd so hart im Maul rumzuzerren dass der Kopf auf der Brust ist und das Pferd fast nix mehr sieht
freibergerchen 2 years ago
agreed. i mean, some horses respond to different training methods, rather than others :) and just by watching this vid, the horse looks quite relaxed and not uncomfortable.
StarStruck203 2 years ago
how do you make your horse presnce im trying to get my morgan mare to prance but i dont know how to some time she dus it on her owne
15moonlight 2 years ago
WOW look at that extended trot!
Scattyduck 2 years ago
Exactly what I thought! WOW! :-)
kirid23 2 years ago
WOW cool
HorsegirlDMR 3 years ago
I agree about the merits-part.. Even she´s had her share of big medals, that doesnt mean everything she says or does should not be judged. Exampl: once I discussed with a woman about the dressage-level of fjords, and she said a friend of hers, who races,owns a breeding-and a regular ridingstable,