Even though I had no big interest in the Republican nominee race, I think you're right to say that Huckabee's nomination wasn't "impossible." The more appropriate term that should have been used would be "improbable." Nevertheless, Huckabee didn't get the nomination, so the pundits turned out to be correct, even though they jumped to conclusions.
as far as im concerned no one has a right to to say that a canidate is definatly going to be good or bad, because until they are elected its just like trying to predict the future. All we have is a idea of what the person might be like, but no one can be indefinatly sure
In a word -- NO!!!!!!!! That lying, fraud phony needs to hang it up now. Huckaphony is finished and he will never serve in a McAmnesty admin even though he sucked up to McCain every chance he got. McCain played him for the fool he is! MITT IN 2012!!! A REAL CONSERVATIVE!
Christianity has survived for 2000 years. We survived the Roman Empire, and its attempts to exterminate us. We survived the Middle Ages, and its attempts to corrupt us (which is why we had the Protestant Reformation.) We survived the Communistic agenda which tried to
exterminate us. We will survive the Jihadists just as we survived intense persecution in the past. And we will survive eventually attempts of people who believe that we are outdated, and will eventually try and execute us.
Why did Christians survive all that? They didn't all you know. Only the ones who loved like Christ loved. The others either recanted or lived like the world so no one would know.
mike huckabee wont win, if he wins one state, he wont get all the delegates, mccain will get at least 1/3 of them. therefore at this point the only possible way he will get the nominationg is if he wins EVERY SINGLE STATE in the election, which is near impossible.
If only the red and blue states really were two different nations instead of just seeming like it. I would be content to be called poor southern bible beatin trash every day for the rest of my life if I didn't have to live with the liberal mentality that exists in the world today.
Mike Huckabee is the only one that can beat Obama. Mac can't go up against a guy who is in his 40's, great speaker and is outside of Washington. Waht is the GOP doing-commiting suicide?
Don't you just LOVE to see the Liberals start frothing at the mouth and swallowing their tongues at the mere mention of a Huckabee nomination! It's GREAT! The more improbable it is, the sweeter will be the victory when it happens. With God, ALL things are possible. Go Huck !
Mike Huckabee is the only one that can beat Obama. Mac can't go up against a guy who is in his 40's, great speaker and is outside of Washington. Waht is the GOP doing-commiting suicide?
Mike Huckabee is the only one that can beat Obama. Mac can't go up against a guy who is in his 40's, great speaker and is outside of Washington. What is the GOP doing-commiting suicide?
Mike Huckabee is the only one that can beat Obama. Mac can't go up against a guy who is in his 40's, great speaker and is outside of Washington. Waht is the GOP doing-commiting suicide?
I sincerely hope that Huckabee gets the Nomination. If he doesn't get it I might vote democrate providing Hillary doesn't get it. If she does then i'm voting independent.
Men...do you believe Mike wants a theocracy. Check up Arkansas. Arkansas didn't have a theocracy but did have a great governnor who made an incredible job there.
Remember the People of Arkansas voteed for him in 62%, higher support than any other candidate gained in their home state. Vote for Mike Huckabee!!
Mike is the only one that can beat Obama. Mac can't go up against a guy who is in his 40's, great speaker and is outside of Washington. Waht is the GOP doing-commiting suicide?
McCain is the biggest liar to ever seek the Republican mantle. He has been caught lying in seven different debates. He has been cited for 40 ethics complaints, 32 from Republicans including "threatening behavior" where 2 different Senators felt physically threatened. McCain is a hot headed, lying loser who cheated on his second wife after randomly and wantonly divorcing his first one. A man who beholden to special interests and who is the worst speaker in the race. McCain will lose!
And that is something that should be left to humankind to judge, to have a universal understanding of what we are, and to then correct the injustices in the most reasonable way.
But, no, we will not utilize a deity who is more folklore in his unrevealing ways to amass such credentials of universal human compassion and objectives.
Mankind, left to itself will destroy itself, it is just the way life is run. That is naivety at its best to believe we can save ourselves, when it was our own evil that led to this predicament. There is no such thing as human compassion, only narcissism. And who is to say there is no God...you ? Do you have proof there is no God ? Enlighten us...if you can.
Once again you are being presumptuous and thus untrue to this debate.
I did not say there isn't any God. But at the same time it is not necessary to begin a serious conversation premised on some "fact" that there is one either. That would be a disservice to the debate and be highly disrespectful of others around you to to suggest that is the only way to understand things.
You suggested that we believe in a fairytale, which I presumed that you said that God is a fairytale, i.e. He isn't real. It is a disservice to a debate to call a person's beliefs a fairytale as it gives the impression that you are mocking them for their faith.
The concerns shared by myself and others not unlike me DO NOT have any desire to prove or disprove the existence of an almighty deity.
My friend, you are allowed to believe in whatever deity you wish to believe in, and worship accordingly, by your divine rites and creed. Godspeed to you indeed.
In the beginning we legislated more along Judeo-Christian lines due to our inherent lineage of justice that was borrowed from our Western traditions.
Since that time our laws have evolved more and more, but MOSTLY along the lines of morality and justice confirmed by rigourous debate, with a final tally that, while it takes into account some Christian precepts (because those leaders come to the table), but is viable to a rational exploration.
As I mentioned earlier, Principles are absolutes, and absolutes do not evolve, for they are perfect, without stain. Laws must be established on absolutes for a law to make sense. Laws established on shaky ideas will often lead to disaster.
I'm afraid I cannot comment on your provocation that there are "absolutes."
I think you know full well that that is a non-starter for the conversation we are having.
I DO ENJOY speaking with you, my friend. I really do. But when you insist on paraphrasing from your own singular background without considering the comparative nature of our dialogue, then you simply inform me that you only wish to see one viewpoint.
of Christian beliefs. The hardest part of debating a Christian, or for that matter anybody with a religion, is that they believe there are absolutes in this universe. It is unthinkable to us that humans can determine what is right and what is wrong, as we know from experience that humans are inherently evil, and that they choose to consume others in their lust and hatred.
This is not 30 AD, nor is it the Middle Ages any longer.
Our legislation of laws in our society is brought to fruition by legal scholars from university, by union representatives, by professors of social science and science, by representatives from the Christian community, and by representatives from state leaders whose flock have a disparate set of concerns.
The principles in 30 A.D. are as absolute as they are today. The principles that say it is inherently evil to murder, to steal, to cheat,
to bear false witness in 30 A.D. are relevant today. Mankind does not determine absolutes, nor does it determine right or wrong. It only has a choice whether to follow them or not. And more often then not, because mankind is evil, they won't.
Anyway, there is that idea again ---> "absolutes."
My contention, and that of others who are not singularly Christian, should be obvious to you: We have never seen or known proof of absolutes, as though they were so obvious as the sky turns blue on a sunny day.
I don't want to argue with you because I fear now we speak a different . . . language.
But I consider that fair. And I sincerely wish you luck my friend. Godspeed indeed to you and your loved ones!
Perhaps I can break it down to you. It is an absolute that murdering an innocent is wrong, is it not ? Relativism states that only you can determine whether or not it is wrong to murder. Not just Christians, but everybody, even you know that there are truths that are self-evident, that no-one should be able to explain to you what they are. In regards to the language, you just found that out now ? My goal in this venture was not to change your mind, but to reveal to everyone your foolishness.
In other words, nobody stands before Congress anymore and enacts laws with a clearly written proposal that states: "because it is what God wants." You know this to be true.
And I, for one, DO NOT want to ever see laws made as such.
Neither do we want laws that restrict us Christians from speaking out against things that violate our conscience. If we do nothing. and leave it to others who don't share our beliefs to govern us, eventually, they will tie a noose around our necks and hang us.
HOWEVER, on a matter of the universal concerns of the American citizen regarding the leadership of the great USA, IT IS NOT incumbent upon any devoted leader to be a servant of one religion over another. This is not a theocracy with religious expectations predicated towards one interpretation of the world.
In reality, everybody is a servant of a religion, whether it be Christianity or athiesm, Judaism or agnostism. Anybody has the right, no matter who they are or what they believe, to run for public office as long as they share the same values as the people who put them into office, and that they don't force people to conform to their religion.
Mike is the only one that can beat Obama. Mac can't go up against a guy who is in his 40's, great speaker and is outside of Washington. Waht is the GOP doing-commiting suicide?
we'll see i hope huck wins oh and for the guy who thinks god is a villan ha you must think you could do a better job maybe instead of free will you would impose your rule as a tirant and not through love " i think i'll stick with the god of the bible at least with him i can choose to serve and not be forced"
by the way i choose to serve him not mock him which is pretty sick considering he loved you so much to die for you and me niether one deserving it
Men...do you believe Mike wants a theocracy. Check up Arkansas. Arkansas didn't have a theocracy but had a great governor who made an incredible job there.
Remember the People of Arkansas voteed for him in 62%, higher support than any other candidate gained in their home state. Vote for Mike Huckabee!!
Mike is the only one that can beat Obama. Mac can't go up against a guy who is in his 40's, great speaker and is outside of Washington. Waht is the GOP doing-commiting suicide?
It is sad we still live in such dark ages where one fairytale book drives the objectives of humankind rather than our own formidable minds.
No, the USA cannot and must not succumb to a Christian theocracy and the sort of attitudes expressed here that righteously feel it is a "God"-mandated country.
Enough of the dark ages already. Real progress incurs acceptance on everyone's behalf . . . but never an acceptance of one way of doing things because of a fairytale.
Clearly, He is not "yours". If you have a problem with the faith upon which our laws are based (the ten commandments were the basis for our original laws) or the country was founded and raised upon. Feel free to leave at your earliest opportunity. Christians are not leaving, we were here first and you have us to thank for coming over here in the first place. The ultimate irony is that those who are opposed to religion are truly the most close minded of all.
I was wondering how long before someone would say that ---> "If you don't like it, then you should leave."
Remember GWB: "You're either with us or against us." Such a distasteful response to real world events.
However, the the world is not so simple.
Could you imagine if Lincoln or King were told that their ideas were too un-American and if they didn't like the way things were in the state of the union then they should just leave???
Sorry, my friend, a simpleton answer such as yours is NOT part of the equation in our debate. Although I want you to remain.
Neither one person such as yourself nor even a large group of people designate the entire country as Christian.
We accept the judeo-Christian background of our laws, but even so they have EVOLVED along the strictures of this country's history, in response to REAL events and THEMES. When a law is made or changed today we DO NOT invoke God anymore. That is fact.
It is also a controvertible fact that things degrade with time. Destruction awaits all, but principles last for eternity. This nation will eventually cease to exist, but its principles will live on. The world will eventually be destroyed, but our Christian principles will last for eternity. Absolutes do not evolve, for the are absolutely incorruptable. Only a fool believes that he will live forever. A fool also believes that there are no absolutes.
I start worrying about people who start calling God the enemy. It shows something about their soul. When you start calling good evil, and evil good, it is a good indicator that your moral compass has been destroyed. I pity the poor fools.
What's most important is that the USA gets away from the nonsense of pretending it is a Christian nation.
IT IS NOT. This is not a theocracy!
There are Christians, as well as Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Devil worshippers, and sexy lady feet worshippers.
If Christians in this country continue with this sort of petulant political wrangling ("Oh no, which President has God-given values?") and instead focused on who will lead the USA with honor and sound execution.
Men...do you believe Mike wants a theocracy. Check up Arkansas. Arkansas didn't have a theocracy but had a great governor who made an incredible job there.
Remember the People of Arkansas voteed for him in 62%, higher support than any other candidate gained in their home state. Vote for Mike Huckabee!!
Mike is the only one that can beat Obama. Mac can't go up against a guy who is in his 40's, great speaker and is outside of Washington. Waht is the GOP doing-commiting suicide?
This isn't 1976 guys, we have the internet and 24 hour news now. If a brokered convention took place it would hurt the party for november. And if the delegates voted for a guy that only 1/4 of voters picked, it would be a scandal of 'biblical' proportions. Can you guys understand that the Republican Party would never allow this to happen? Move on, you lost.
Will someone please tell Mike Huckabee that the republican voters have spoken? Is this what Mike is going to do as President? Whatever he wants even when the people have voted for him to represent them. Pride is a tricky business Mike.
It's not a surprise that McCain was sleeping with a lobbyist, he was sleeping with Cindy while he was married to his first wife. Maybe that's why Cindy gets so much plastic surgery. Republicans should have gone with Romney!
Its where if none of the candidates get the necessary amount of delegates to clinch their party's nomination, they go to the National Convention in September and the delegates vote then and there who to support. Whoever wins the vote at the convention is the Nominee for their party.
Mike is the only one that can beat Obama. Mac can't go up against a guy who is in his 40's, great speaker and is outside of Washington. Waht is the GOP doing-commiting suicide?
most of the time gogators, i think we'd do a hell of a lot better if the so called "southern brand of christian people" and their jesus leaves, never to return america!
all this brand of "christians" has done is begin the decline of a once great nation because of their religious ignorance and bigotry!
I am a Christian. I do NOT support Huckabee. I don't think that Jesus Christ would vote for him if He were in our situation. Please don't judge Christ by the actions of the Christian community today. The Christian church in general has become hard-headed, naive and un-Christlike. I support Ron Paul because I believe in obeying Christ's command to "Love your neighbor as yourself." wntoply6, you obviously would not feel loved under a Huckabee Presidency. Neither would I.
i don't judge chrsitians unless they are bigots then i call them so called "christians", something most don't understand or recognize even though i put the word in quotes.
Okay, you can support Paul, but DO NOT think that you can do it by Christian principles. Tens of thousands of people have come to Christ in Iraq for the first time in over 30 years because of what we did their and Paul wants to undo that in one year. Ron Paul is concerned with PRESERVING WEALTH, the very anthesis of Christian principle. He wants to instantly gut the programs that care for the poor as we are called to and Paul would not sign a traditional marriage or pro-life amendment.
1. Can you support Huckabee by Christian principles? I can't. He says one thing, his record says the opposite. He says, "I lowered taxes 94 times in Arkansas." His record says he RAISED taxes 25 times and those 25 times greatly exceeded the 94 lowered taxes in monetary value. He says he is for homeschooling and yet he passed a law in 1999 that made Arkansas the first state to put more restrictions on homeschoolers. Not to mention that he is the only Republican candidate endorsed by the NH NEA.
If you are not able to match Mike's efforts to Christian principles, that would suggest you unfamiliarity with the principles. Look at you points, you did exactly what you are claiming Mike did. Did Mike lower taxes 94 times? Fact: Yes. Were 25 OTHER taxes (six of which he vetoed but had overridden by the 91% Democrat Congress, the largest two of which were put to the voters and three agreed to by the industries they effected) raised under tenure, yes. Did Mike raise them, NO!
So the points you make have never been contended by Mike, so the only one lying, something truly despised by Christian principle here is you. Mike is for Homeschooling and he did put in place certain standards so that HE COULD THEN OFFER THEM TAX BREAKS ONCE THE STANDARDS WERE MET. Mike is the only candidate in the race who has been endorsed by the National Home School Association and they form a huge wing of his support. Again, Truth seems to escape you.
Oh wow, the NEA endorsed my guy. I'd really hate to have my candidate have that extra chance to win once he gets the nomination this fall. What? Are you serious? He takes his education system on a nationwide same-state increase and gets the endorsement from the NEA for his efforts and you cite this as a bad thing. Are you mentally compromised?
Ron Paul does not want to undo what was done there. He simply wants to obey our laws and stop occupying a country that no longer needs or wants us.
Since when is preserving wealth the very antithesis of Christianity? Yes, we are not to store up treasures on earth, but that does not mean that we are to be dirt poor. Is that why you like taxes so much? Because you want to be poor?
For one, people on welfare are often NOT poor. They just don't like to work.
YOU, and the utterly unread like you, who proclaim to have faith hurt the the efforts to fight for Christian principles.
Name ONE, just one program that Paul created to help ANYONE in need...ever? You cannot becuase he hasn't ever.
Huckabee, on the other hand, reduced those on welfare in his state by 61% WHILE raising the standard of living by more than double. He took their education system from 38th to 8th in the nation. He has helped those in need putting Christian principles into action.
those pilgrims remember, fled europe to avoid religious persecution and the signers of the declaration wanted to make sure one could worship as he/she wanted, but never did they say any one religion would prevail or be endorsed.
because some of our fathers believed in god did not mean god need be rammed down anyone's throat anywhere in this country!
My point is that uniformly and across the board, the men and women that founded and started this nation believed avidly in God. Huckabee's winning does, in no way shape or form, endorse one religion and it does not mean that religion will be rammed down anyone's throats. Mike has NEVER, even once, advocated that he would seek to endorse the Baptist religion once elected. Your mention of it is laughably absurd. So, what is YOUR point
sorry notomccain, huckabee wants to change the constitution to reflect his god.
where've you been? it's been all over the news & youtube, in his own words & pictures!
if he's a freakin baptist, then he wants the constitution to reflect that religion. once the constitution becomes a baptist surrogat, then the bigoted southern so called "christians" can ram their lies down everyone's throat.
you're like huckabee, say one thing to southerners another to the rest of america!
Do ALL Christians believe in the preservation of Life and protecting the unborn? YES. Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Free Churches and anyone who believes in the Bible believe the unborn should be protected. Roe vs. Wade has taught us to do that the Constitution must be amended so that this immense atrocity will end. NO true Christian disagrees with that.
What you are attempting to do by saying that is to quickly paint me as sewn by "evil" and "hatred" for your own public relations' and argument's purposes on this board.
I haven't any hatred or evil but rather a willingness to explore a more grounded and logically oriented USA whose sense of morality and justice is not limited to Biblical interpretations. It is, as I said, not a Christian country. Just a lot of Christians live here. Though that in itself is becoming more and more a less unified group every year.
How about I agree to not argue that point with you? And how about we further agree that currents of Christianity, Judaism, currents of Western continental philosophy, and eastern philosophy ALL pretty much agree with that concept in one way or another.
So it is fair to both say and explore that.
But it is NOT stated as a solely Christian principle nor does Christianity offer the only solution to this fact of the human condition.
It goes back to the argument of whether you would have parts of the truth, or have the whole truth. Unfortunately, contrary to your opinion, all religions don't have that much in common.
You're right: there is much religions do not have in common.
One more correct point to add: And it so follows that one religion is not the right one. What a sad existence will come to pass when people actually believe that. Christians have been responsible for more Holy Wars than any other religion. More than Islam by tenfold.
I could say the same thing about athiesm. State enforced athiesm has killed millions of Christians because the Christians refused to abandon their faith. Christians have been killed far more for their faith then any other, only rivaled by the Jews.
Please do not feel the need to be out to get me as I am not out to get you. I am sharing my opinion with you, an opinion that promotes the challenges and concerns that many have regarding the objectives of the so-called Christian right in the USA, a (still) relatively recent historic movement that cannot be compared to what existed on the conservative side of the US political spectrum between the 1950s and 1970s because most of it didn't exist and that which did was small and not as mobilized.
Actually, I feel the need to address some of the ignorance, yes ignorance, going on out there about us Christians. Starting with the myth that we hate anybody who doesn't conform to our teachings, that they are evil and such. Fact is, we all are evil inherently, that is why we are Christians. We Christians, unfortunately, are the moral compass of the nation. Because we believe that someday we will have to answer for the actions we have taken. That is why we do not budge concerning our beliefs.
you may be evil inherently, but i am not. you can keep that kind of crap to yourself duzell, sane people are above your limited, halting and hating beliefs.
I am not even worried about you, as you have shone, quite well, your evil nature. And the fact that you are mean spirited. What you said is probably the biggest hypocritical batch of nonsense I've seen yet, and I've seen a lot. Word of advice, look in a mirror.
that's only your opinion duzell, and to be honest, if you're for fuckabee, who really gives a shit what you think. you're a bigoted so called "christian" pig.
i have looked in the mirror and am quite comfortable with myself, that's why it's important to go after bullshitters, like you, and expose them for what they really, wayward so called "christians" who use the bible for their purposes, primarily to hate!
I have better things to do then trade insults with and "obvious to everyone" hypocrite. You bury yourself deeper with every inane comment you make. I do hope you continue to post, as the only thing it seems to accomplish is to help my side. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
again that's you're opinion. supporting fuckabee for any reason is total insanity, so duzell i wouldn't talk. to support him is digging yourself deeper into the pit of hell. so perspective is what counts, not your ignorant beliefs.
Why would you be even on a pro-Huckabee thread unless you wanted to start a fight ? You being a hypocrite is not an opinion, but a fact. Get a life. Rather than showing us your corrosive hatred in your posts, show us why we shouldn't vote or support Huckabee, annnd have some facts to back up your claim. You call us bigots, yet you are prejudiced against anybody who is an evangelical, and anybody from the south.Please leave, before you make a fool of yourself...again.
Revealing your true nature I see. No, I am quite satisfied, as long as there is people like you, our cause will continue to gain supporters. We Christians grow under persecution, especially intense persecution. We only stagnate when we don't. I doubt you don't even know what it is that a Christian stands for, just as much as you don't know how hypocritical you are right now. Why I post is because it helps people to know about what it means to be a Christian.
my true nature is i don't like lying hypocritical so called "christians" who bullshit and steal money from the less fortunate, who spend their lives putting fear into people unnecessarily only to gain power.
i don't like so called "christians" who what to remake the constitution to their own liking.
unfortunately idiot, you do, so you and the rest of your so called "christian" bigoted friends can either kiss my dirty shithole or go fuck yourselves...bigtos all of you!
It takes a hypocrite to know a hypocrite. And besides, I highl;y doubt that you are any better, what with your language and all. All I ask is that you keep persecuting us Christians, it can only help us.
sorry asshole that axiom never worded. find something wittier, that doesn't insult your intelligence duzell.
stop persecuting you so called "christians", you fucking asshole. you've been doing nothing but persecuting others not like you for 2000 fucking years. now it's your turn. you goddamned bigot!
Wow! You are quite the mouthpiece for your war, aren't you?
What you have achieved is frightening me off from every supporting an overtly Christian candidate such as Huckabee. Personally I think Huckabee is a good person, intelligent enough, though not necessarily qualified on certain files such as external affairs. Fair enough. All candidates have their strengths.
You wouldn't support him if he was the last candidate on Earth, you have already made that clear in our much earlier argument. So I don't see how you could think any different now.
But that's not the problem, now is it? - the problem with supporting an overtly Christian candidate riding on a Christian platform is not so much the intolerance that might arise from said platform but rather the "Christian warriors" such as yourself who make such an option completely daunting.
I actually fear for my freedom because of people clamoring to get rid of us. As I mentioned before, If we Christians don't get involved in politics, others will. And those others will eventually seek our death to pave the way for their ideals, however deluded they might be. Besides, Mike Huckabee has been riding on the Republican platform that has been in existence since the 80's. I fail to see were he is any different. He has never pushed for a theocracy in his state, why would he now ?
the only thing you have to fear duzell is fear itself. yes we have to be vigilent, but for christ's sakes stop the fear mongering among americans.
and you still have that "fear" because your president, bush, took his eyes of the prize, bin ladin, and went for oil money to keep his family and friends rich. and he had done that at the expense of many lives, the bastard.
the republican platform is built on exclusion and hate since the 80's so much for crap.
The only thing we have to fear, unfortunately, is people like yourself who are bigoted to the point of insanity. You still haven't answered a question of mine. Given half a chance, would you seek to exterminate us before we have a chance to spread our hatred everywhere ?
You sound like your dodging the question again. If you don't answer, I will assume that you would. Which brings me to another point, I fail to see where you are so much better than us Christians. Why don't you lead the way in how you act. Prove to us ignorant masses that you are better, if you have the guts to. Otherwise, continue spouting off garbage and help my cause even further.
if you would take the goddamned time to re read this converation you "christian" idiot, you would find my answer. too bad you haven't got the capacity to find it.
then, duzell, don't read my responses you idiot, and don't respond.
you have never had anything of intelligence to say and have never brough any light to any subject. all you do is mime what you have been taught, and i am quite sure you have never questioned the bullshit with which you have been brought up in.
ah, then again that is where you are wrong duzell.
people below me in intelligence, like you, never anger my, i just have pity for you and how you live your backward life. and i always laugh at you for your ignorance.
I will ask you again, and I will keep on asking until I get and answer from you, or annoy you to death. Given half a chance, would you exterminate us Christians ?
again, as i said in my last answer which you are too lazy to find, i would educate you ignorant, bigoted so called "christians" so you understand how backward and hateful you are. the only thing i would exterminate is the hate you harbor for others not like you. got that bigot, or do you need more of an explanation?
The only way you'll exterminate our "hate" is to kill us. We're willing to die with our beliefs. It is to bad for you, your soul has been tainted with hatred. You have shown yourself to be the very thing you profess to hate, hypocrisy. Now then, it is kinda hard for me to take you seriously when you spew forth vomit from your mouth, calling us hate-mongers when it is obvious that your full of hate. I can post and post until your sick of me, so keep shooting your mouth off, I look forward to it.
isn't it interesting so called "chritians" like you use the word "kill"! why is that duzell? are you that backward that education eludes you? you don't want to be educated because you might see other points of view?
well, you're typical. again i pity you for your complete ignorance.
Well, if your brand of education makes you this deluded, perhaps I would be proud not to be "educated". And besides, what you know about us ? After all, we are nothing more than a bunch of retarded monkeys, so you say.
And I also like to reveal to the public the evil in your words. I already knew there is no hope in trying to change your mind, you are too far gone. Instead, perhaps others can avoid the pitiful trap you have fallen into. It is a much more fufilling goal than just to aggravate someone.
Now you are becoming a tad predictable. You could at least try and spice it up a little. Come on, even a child could come up with something better than that.
My friend, I have watched you ERUPT across the screen with your explosive conjecture, inferring at every turn that those who do not see your way are simply liberals who will perish for not accepting the absolute.
May your "God" have "mercy" on your "soul" for your outlandish, indecent, and absolutely meanspirited behaviour.
For you it is as though anything less than a theocracy makes the US closer to sin. I would keep that opinion to yourself.
I really believe you have gone off the deep end this time. Nowhere have I said that you will perish for not accepting my viewpoints, I only said that your line of thinking is naive and foolish. The one who is out of line here is you, I believe we already had an extensive argument on the subjects. Did I say I want a theocracy ? History proves that when a theocracy abounds, It is usually we Christians who suffer the most persecution.
Perhaps you have forgotten, but the best ideas in history are often the ones most regarded as explosive, therefore, I have apologized for nothing. Neither will I apologize for calling a blatant hypocrite a hypocrite. Neither will I apologize for calling your behavior foolish, for it is foolish. At least I don't go on threads of ideas I don't like trying to pick fights, which is more than I can say for you, or the hate-mongering wntoply6.
But neither will we stand by and watch our Christian beliefs get ripped up and thrown to the wind either. Europe is a prime example of this, once they threw out the moral fiber, they began restricting Christians. Now they taking them to court for perpertrating "explosive" ideas. Pretty soon, you will be jailed for your beliefs, and eventually you will die for it. This has happened many times before throughout history, this is nothing new for us.
It is because of those Christian beliefs is the reason why we have laws that outlaw theft, murder, etc. Why we have ethics in science, why we value life rather than death. Christian morality is also the reason why we have freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom from slavery, etc. I fail to see how Christianity in politics is a bad thing.
I think Christianity, the religion and a good number of its people (such a disparate thing, once again) is good. As is Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, and sexy lady feet worshipping.
Truth be told, none can be made higher or "more equal" than the others.
Respect, prudence, acknowledgment of our laws, and a dedication to living harmoniously with one another need be our objective. All world religions carry a smatter of those things.
There is always contradictions in religions. Only a single religion is the right one. Other religions may contain parts of the truth, but only one contains the whole truth. It is up to you to choose. When you decide to force someone to accept your religion,( whether it is Christianity, Athiesm, Islam, etc.) is when you have a problem. It all comes down to choice.
Oh my, you really believe only in Christianity? Fine, that is okay.
And I am agnostic and committed to humanity too.
That is you. This is me. Here we are.
(but do not go down the hollow road of saying, "No, that's not enough! - those who do not believe in the Christian God will burn in hell, or blah blah blah..."
Yawn. If you have that believe it goes nowhere and is not worth my time refuting.
And your belief that only your "God"can save "mankind" is exactly the sort of unhealthy presumptuousness that infects it. Believe as you wish, I do not wish to disturb that . . . but DO NOT weigh your mandate or judgment upon anyone, for the you are a scion of fear, bigotry, and dislike of all that do not exist as you do.
You are thus not getting the point. It is an individual choice to believe in God or not, it is not a choice anybody can make for you. A choice carries consequences. It does not make somebody a scion of fear, bigotry, and dislike. It is simply acknowledging the that you believe that you found the truth, and that any other half-truths out there will lead you wrong. Your labeling only reveals your own fear and prejudism.
There you go again, looking for labels or my example of hatred. That is an awful thing to do when I am speaking to a universality of consciousness and how to understand the different parts that make up our society.
Listen, you just hung yourself in your third line when you stated that there are "consequences." I know that is your thinly veiled way of saying there are "consequences" for not following Christianity.
Thanks for your judgment. You need to stop trying to find hatred in those who do carry your beliefs or see things the way you do. Not once have I pointed hatred at you. I have spoken for as many as possible, Christians included, while you continue to press for Christianity.
You have misunderstood. You believe that consequences are always bad. And absolute states that their are good and bad consequences. A good consequence for not following God means that you choose your own destiny. A bad consequence for not Following God means that you no longer have a means to no what is right but by your own conscience. To flip the hate card without knowing what the person meant is nothing more than immaturity.
Fair enough. It is obviously your belief. I respect that. But I am speaking to and trying hard to be of service in accounting for the innumerable other voices out there. That, my friend, is hardly hatred. And it is certainly very far removed from intolerance.
obama and hillary need to drop out. no one wants to hear any of there crying anymore. If obama gets it.. some crazy person will shoot him and blame it on the government like the kenedy thing.
this guy is awsome stands for america belives. i hope he gets the white house. no one is ready for a iraq presedent aka obama. and hillary is a lier. if any of them 2 get the white house war will come to the US. mike huckabee would be a better presedent. he stands for our nations quote. in god we trust.. hillary and obama will take that away and the US will go down the toilet even more then whats it is now.
DROP OUT NOW HUCKSTER !!! You can not win and you are dividing our party go back to Arkansas and lie and steal from your Church America aint buying your Gomer Pyle Smile ,Lame Ass Flat jokes and lies!! If we want a Liberal we will vote Obama or Clinton ! DROP OUT NOW!! Carter + Clinton = Huckabee !!
Mike is the only one that can beat Obama. Mac can't go up against a guy who is in his 40's, great speaker and is outside of Washington. Waht is the GOP doing-commiting suicide?
Huckabee must have a super inflated ego thinking that he would have the slightest chance of ever being president.after the mess Bush has made of things,I don't think even the republicans are dumb enough to vote another religious nut into the white house..lol.
fuckabee's a so called "christian" bigot from the south. he is not they type person america needs as president.
if given his way the constitution will be a christian document with discrimination written all throughout it.
the guy's a religious freak and we don't need any more religious crap in this world. it's a mess enough without adding a bigoted, ignorant, lying southern preacher to the mix!
Even though I had no big interest in the Republican nominee race, I think you're right to say that Huckabee's nomination wasn't "impossible." The more appropriate term that should have been used would be "improbable." Nevertheless, Huckabee didn't get the nomination, so the pundits turned out to be correct, even though they jumped to conclusions.
jvondd 3 years ago
as far as im concerned no one has a right to to say that a canidate is definatly going to be good or bad, because until they are elected its just like trying to predict the future. All we have is a idea of what the person might be like, but no one can be indefinatly sure
squirrelfight12 4 years ago
In a word -- NO!!!!!!!! That lying, fraud phony needs to hang it up now. Huckaphony is finished and he will never serve in a McAmnesty admin even though he sucked up to McCain every chance he got. McCain played him for the fool he is! MITT IN 2012!!! A REAL CONSERVATIVE!
aprillh 4 years ago
Oh yeah the real conservative, who's flipped flopped on abortion more times than id care to mention
ronpaulsucketh 4 years ago
Christianity has survived for 2000 years. We survived the Roman Empire, and its attempts to exterminate us. We survived the Middle Ages, and its attempts to corrupt us (which is why we had the Protestant Reformation.) We survived the Communistic agenda which tried to
exterminate us. We will survive the Jihadists just as we survived intense persecution in the past. And we will survive eventually attempts of people who believe that we are outdated, and will eventually try and execute us.
duzell3071 4 years ago
Why did Christians survive all that? They didn't all you know. Only the ones who loved like Christ loved. The others either recanted or lived like the world so no one would know.
LadyAbigail90 4 years ago
mike huckabee wont win, if he wins one state, he wont get all the delegates, mccain will get at least 1/3 of them. therefore at this point the only possible way he will get the nominationg is if he wins EVERY SINGLE STATE in the election, which is near impossible.
squirrelfight12 4 years ago
I guess some people are born ignorant.
duzell3071 4 years ago
If only the red and blue states really were two different nations instead of just seeming like it. I would be content to be called poor southern bible beatin trash every day for the rest of my life if I didn't have to live with the liberal mentality that exists in the world today.
zworrell03 4 years ago
Mike Huckabee is the only one that can beat Obama. Mac can't go up against a guy who is in his 40's, great speaker and is outside of Washington. Waht is the GOP doing-commiting suicide?
HebertForHuck 4 years ago
Don't you just LOVE to see the Liberals start frothing at the mouth and swallowing their tongues at the mere mention of a Huckabee nomination! It's GREAT! The more improbable it is, the sweeter will be the victory when it happens. With God, ALL things are possible. Go Huck !
tigerlilly66 4 years ago 2
Awesome!
Go Huckabee!
Fair Tax!
No Amnesty
1lowhit 4 years ago
thanks God, huckabee is out already.
ben0jamin 4 years ago
you're a blind men....
Mike Huckabee is the only one that can beat Obama. Mac can't go up against a guy who is in his 40's, great speaker and is outside of Washington. Waht is the GOP doing-commiting suicide?
HebertForHuck 4 years ago
Go Huckabee, don't abort amendament. For the life, Huckabee.God bless him
ArturoAlejandroS 4 years ago
Mike Huckabee is the only one that can beat Obama. Mac can't go up against a guy who is in his 40's, great speaker and is outside of Washington. What is the GOP doing-commiting suicide?
HebertForHuck 4 years ago 2
so true!
Huckabee all the way 2008!
ingenious14 4 years ago
Mike Huckabee is the only one that can beat Obama. Mac can't go up against a guy who is in his 40's, great speaker and is outside of Washington. Waht is the GOP doing-commiting suicide?
HebertForHuck 4 years ago
MIKE HUCKABEE POWER. ONLY HOPE FOR AMERICS!!!! is it still possible btw if Mike lost the Wisconsin Primary
jeremiahj13 4 years ago 2
I sincerely hope that Huckabee gets the Nomination. If he doesn't get it I might vote democrate providing Hillary doesn't get it. If she does then i'm voting independent.
htcsnavybrat 4 years ago
Men...do you believe Mike wants a theocracy. Check up Arkansas. Arkansas didn't have a theocracy but did have a great governnor who made an incredible job there.
Remember the People of Arkansas voteed for him in 62%, higher support than any other candidate gained in their home state. Vote for Mike Huckabee!!
Mike is the only one that can beat Obama. Mac can't go up against a guy who is in his 40's, great speaker and is outside of Washington. Waht is the GOP doing-commiting suicide?
HebertForHuck 4 years ago
McCain 08 after all he is the nominee right :)
bodude26 4 years ago
Hey folks, I am deleting comments with the f-bomb, so if you want your post to stay, don't use it.
Lucas
LucasRoebuck 4 years ago
McCain is the biggest liar to ever seek the Republican mantle. He has been caught lying in seven different debates. He has been cited for 40 ethics complaints, 32 from Republicans including "threatening behavior" where 2 different Senators felt physically threatened. McCain is a hot headed, lying loser who cheated on his second wife after randomly and wantonly divorcing his first one. A man who beholden to special interests and who is the worst speaker in the race. McCain will lose!
NOtoMcCain 4 years ago
Humanism is a beautiful way forward.
Compelled by the power of our minds and compassionate instincts.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
Actually, it is more or less compelled by our own inherent evil.
duzell3071 4 years ago
And that is something that should be left to humankind to judge, to have a universal understanding of what we are, and to then correct the injustices in the most reasonable way.
But, no, we will not utilize a deity who is more folklore in his unrevealing ways to amass such credentials of universal human compassion and objectives.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
Mankind, left to itself will destroy itself, it is just the way life is run. That is naivety at its best to believe we can save ourselves, when it was our own evil that led to this predicament. There is no such thing as human compassion, only narcissism. And who is to say there is no God...you ? Do you have proof there is no God ? Enlighten us...if you can.
duzell3071 4 years ago
Once again you are being presumptuous and thus untrue to this debate.
I did not say there isn't any God. But at the same time it is not necessary to begin a serious conversation premised on some "fact" that there is one either. That would be a disservice to the debate and be highly disrespectful of others around you to to suggest that is the only way to understand things.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
You suggested that we believe in a fairytale, which I presumed that you said that God is a fairytale, i.e. He isn't real. It is a disservice to a debate to call a person's beliefs a fairytale as it gives the impression that you are mocking them for their faith.
duzell3071 4 years ago
The concerns shared by myself and others not unlike me DO NOT have any desire to prove or disprove the existence of an almighty deity.
My friend, you are allowed to believe in whatever deity you wish to believe in, and worship accordingly, by your divine rites and creed. Godspeed to you indeed.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
But your desire is to make sure that we don't legislate Christian morality, when it is in fact all around you.
duzell3071 4 years ago
In the beginning we legislated more along Judeo-Christian lines due to our inherent lineage of justice that was borrowed from our Western traditions.
Since that time our laws have evolved more and more, but MOSTLY along the lines of morality and justice confirmed by rigourous debate, with a final tally that, while it takes into account some Christian precepts (because those leaders come to the table), but is viable to a rational exploration.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
As I mentioned earlier, Principles are absolutes, and absolutes do not evolve, for they are perfect, without stain. Laws must be established on absolutes for a law to make sense. Laws established on shaky ideas will often lead to disaster.
duzell3071 4 years ago
I'm afraid I cannot comment on your provocation that there are "absolutes."
I think you know full well that that is a non-starter for the conversation we are having.
I DO ENJOY speaking with you, my friend. I really do. But when you insist on paraphrasing from your own singular background without considering the comparative nature of our dialogue, then you simply inform me that you only wish to see one viewpoint.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
It is not a provocation, rather an explanation
of Christian beliefs. The hardest part of debating a Christian, or for that matter anybody with a religion, is that they believe there are absolutes in this universe. It is unthinkable to us that humans can determine what is right and what is wrong, as we know from experience that humans are inherently evil, and that they choose to consume others in their lust and hatred.
duzell3071 4 years ago
This is not 30 AD, nor is it the Middle Ages any longer.
Our legislation of laws in our society is brought to fruition by legal scholars from university, by union representatives, by professors of social science and science, by representatives from the Christian community, and by representatives from state leaders whose flock have a disparate set of concerns.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
The principles in 30 A.D. are as absolute as they are today. The principles that say it is inherently evil to murder, to steal, to cheat,
to bear false witness in 30 A.D. are relevant today. Mankind does not determine absolutes, nor does it determine right or wrong. It only has a choice whether to follow them or not. And more often then not, because mankind is evil, they won't.
duzell3071 4 years ago
Anyway, there is that idea again ---> "absolutes."
My contention, and that of others who are not singularly Christian, should be obvious to you: We have never seen or known proof of absolutes, as though they were so obvious as the sky turns blue on a sunny day.
I don't want to argue with you because I fear now we speak a different . . . language.
But I consider that fair. And I sincerely wish you luck my friend. Godspeed indeed to you and your loved ones!
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
Perhaps I can break it down to you. It is an absolute that murdering an innocent is wrong, is it not ? Relativism states that only you can determine whether or not it is wrong to murder. Not just Christians, but everybody, even you know that there are truths that are self-evident, that no-one should be able to explain to you what they are. In regards to the language, you just found that out now ? My goal in this venture was not to change your mind, but to reveal to everyone your foolishness.
duzell3071 4 years ago
In other words, nobody stands before Congress anymore and enacts laws with a clearly written proposal that states: "because it is what God wants." You know this to be true.
And I, for one, DO NOT want to ever see laws made as such.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
Neither do we want laws that restrict us Christians from speaking out against things that violate our conscience. If we do nothing. and leave it to others who don't share our beliefs to govern us, eventually, they will tie a noose around our necks and hang us.
duzell3071 4 years ago
HOWEVER, on a matter of the universal concerns of the American citizen regarding the leadership of the great USA, IT IS NOT incumbent upon any devoted leader to be a servant of one religion over another. This is not a theocracy with religious expectations predicated towards one interpretation of the world.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
In reality, everybody is a servant of a religion, whether it be Christianity or athiesm, Judaism or agnostism. Anybody has the right, no matter who they are or what they believe, to run for public office as long as they share the same values as the people who put them into office, and that they don't force people to conform to their religion.
duzell3071 4 years ago
Mike is the only one that can beat Obama. Mac can't go up against a guy who is in his 40's, great speaker and is outside of Washington. Waht is the GOP doing-commiting suicide?
HebertForHuck 4 years ago
It's possible, it's just not likely... McCain is probably going to win.
DarkEclipse702 4 years ago
It's IMPOSSIBLE watch real political scientists on CNN who actually do REAL MATH!!! It is impossible.
davidennett 4 years ago
we'll see i hope huck wins oh and for the guy who thinks god is a villan ha you must think you could do a better job maybe instead of free will you would impose your rule as a tirant and not through love " i think i'll stick with the god of the bible at least with him i can choose to serve and not be forced"
by the way i choose to serve him not mock him which is pretty sick considering he loved you so much to die for you and me niether one deserving it
rdcasey1982 4 years ago
Men...do you believe Mike wants a theocracy. Check up Arkansas. Arkansas didn't have a theocracy but had a great governor who made an incredible job there.
Remember the People of Arkansas voteed for him in 62%, higher support than any other candidate gained in their home state. Vote for Mike Huckabee!!
Mike is the only one that can beat Obama. Mac can't go up against a guy who is in his 40's, great speaker and is outside of Washington. Waht is the GOP doing-commiting suicide?
HebertForHuck 4 years ago
Oh my g-d.
It is sad we still live in such dark ages where one fairytale book drives the objectives of humankind rather than our own formidable minds.
No, the USA cannot and must not succumb to a Christian theocracy and the sort of attitudes expressed here that righteously feel it is a "God"-mandated country.
Enough of the dark ages already. Real progress incurs acceptance on everyone's behalf . . . but never an acceptance of one way of doing things because of a fairytale.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
Clearly, He is not "yours". If you have a problem with the faith upon which our laws are based (the ten commandments were the basis for our original laws) or the country was founded and raised upon. Feel free to leave at your earliest opportunity. Christians are not leaving, we were here first and you have us to thank for coming over here in the first place. The ultimate irony is that those who are opposed to religion are truly the most close minded of all.
NOtoMcCain 4 years ago
Oh, that's just great!
I was wondering how long before someone would say that ---> "If you don't like it, then you should leave."
Remember GWB: "You're either with us or against us." Such a distasteful response to real world events.
However, the the world is not so simple.
Could you imagine if Lincoln or King were told that their ideas were too un-American and if they didn't like the way things were in the state of the union then they should just leave???
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
Sorry, my friend, a simpleton answer such as yours is NOT part of the equation in our debate. Although I want you to remain.
Neither one person such as yourself nor even a large group of people designate the entire country as Christian.
We accept the judeo-Christian background of our laws, but even so they have EVOLVED along the strictures of this country's history, in response to REAL events and THEMES. When a law is made or changed today we DO NOT invoke God anymore. That is fact.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
It is also a controvertible fact that things degrade with time. Destruction awaits all, but principles last for eternity. This nation will eventually cease to exist, but its principles will live on. The world will eventually be destroyed, but our Christian principles will last for eternity. Absolutes do not evolve, for the are absolutely incorruptable. Only a fool believes that he will live forever. A fool also believes that there are no absolutes.
duzell3071 4 years ago
One is assuming our minds are formidable. The sad thing is, people who oppose religion are often the ones who need it the most.
duzell3071 4 years ago
Together we can fight off God and Huck.
Huck is a good guy, I am sure.
But God is history's greatest villain.
Surely a hell exists for those who follow that conjecturer's profane path.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
I start worrying about people who start calling God the enemy. It shows something about their soul. When you start calling good evil, and evil good, it is a good indicator that your moral compass has been destroyed. I pity the poor fools.
duzell3071 4 years ago
What's most important is that the USA gets away from the nonsense of pretending it is a Christian nation.
IT IS NOT. This is not a theocracy!
There are Christians, as well as Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Devil worshippers, and sexy lady feet worshippers.
If Christians in this country continue with this sort of petulant political wrangling ("Oh no, which President has God-given values?") and instead focused on who will lead the USA with honor and sound execution.
Let's not be united under God!
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
Men...do you believe Mike wants a theocracy. Check up Arkansas. Arkansas didn't have a theocracy but had a great governor who made an incredible job there.
Remember the People of Arkansas voteed for him in 62%, higher support than any other candidate gained in their home state. Vote for Mike Huckabee!!
Mike is the only one that can beat Obama. Mac can't go up against a guy who is in his 40's, great speaker and is outside of Washington. Waht is the GOP doing-commiting suicide?
HebertForHuck 4 years ago
Mike your 15 minutes is up
speakmymind01 4 years ago
This isn't 1976 guys, we have the internet and 24 hour news now. If a brokered convention took place it would hurt the party for november. And if the delegates voted for a guy that only 1/4 of voters picked, it would be a scandal of 'biblical' proportions. Can you guys understand that the Republican Party would never allow this to happen? Move on, you lost.
alonesoldier7 4 years ago
Will someone please tell Mike Huckabee that the republican voters have spoken? Is this what Mike is going to do as President? Whatever he wants even when the people have voted for him to represent them. Pride is a tricky business Mike.
Easterbunnyisreal 4 years ago
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It's not a surprise that McCain was sleeping with a lobbyist, he was sleeping with Cindy while he was married to his first wife. Maybe that's why Cindy gets so much plastic surgery. Republicans should have gone with Romney!
blazak 4 years ago
Mike: Jesus Christ is that who put kings in the nations said the Bible.
osotoron 4 years ago
what's a brokered convention?
michaelphelps86 4 years ago
Its where if none of the candidates get the necessary amount of delegates to clinch their party's nomination, they go to the National Convention in September and the delegates vote then and there who to support. Whoever wins the vote at the convention is the Nominee for their party.
buckwilliee 4 years ago
Something that is not going to happen LMAO John McCain is the Republican Nominee time to face Reality !!
McCain 08
bodude26 4 years ago
Mike is the only one that can beat Obama. Mac can't go up against a guy who is in his 40's, great speaker and is outside of Washington. Waht is the GOP doing-commiting suicide?
HebertForHuck 4 years ago
no--your smug little savior won't will.
onemoregod 4 years ago
most of the time gogators, i think we'd do a hell of a lot better if the so called "southern brand of christian people" and their jesus leaves, never to return america!
all this brand of "christians" has done is begin the decline of a once great nation because of their religious ignorance and bigotry!
wntoply6 4 years ago
I am a Christian. I do NOT support Huckabee. I don't think that Jesus Christ would vote for him if He were in our situation. Please don't judge Christ by the actions of the Christian community today. The Christian church in general has become hard-headed, naive and un-Christlike. I support Ron Paul because I believe in obeying Christ's command to "Love your neighbor as yourself." wntoply6, you obviously would not feel loved under a Huckabee Presidency. Neither would I.
LadyAbigail90 4 years ago
ladyabigail90:
i don't judge chrsitians unless they are bigots then i call them so called "christians", something most don't understand or recognize even though i put the word in quotes.
thanks for your comments. i feel the same way.
wntoply6 4 years ago
I see what you meant now. Thank you for your comment! It was nice to get at least one positive reply.:)
LadyAbigail90 4 years ago
Okay, you can support Paul, but DO NOT think that you can do it by Christian principles. Tens of thousands of people have come to Christ in Iraq for the first time in over 30 years because of what we did their and Paul wants to undo that in one year. Ron Paul is concerned with PRESERVING WEALTH, the very anthesis of Christian principle. He wants to instantly gut the programs that care for the poor as we are called to and Paul would not sign a traditional marriage or pro-life amendment.
NOtoMcCain 4 years ago
1. Can you support Huckabee by Christian principles? I can't. He says one thing, his record says the opposite. He says, "I lowered taxes 94 times in Arkansas." His record says he RAISED taxes 25 times and those 25 times greatly exceeded the 94 lowered taxes in monetary value. He says he is for homeschooling and yet he passed a law in 1999 that made Arkansas the first state to put more restrictions on homeschoolers. Not to mention that he is the only Republican candidate endorsed by the NH NEA.
LadyAbigail90 4 years ago
If you are not able to match Mike's efforts to Christian principles, that would suggest you unfamiliarity with the principles. Look at you points, you did exactly what you are claiming Mike did. Did Mike lower taxes 94 times? Fact: Yes. Were 25 OTHER taxes (six of which he vetoed but had overridden by the 91% Democrat Congress, the largest two of which were put to the voters and three agreed to by the industries they effected) raised under tenure, yes. Did Mike raise them, NO!
NOtoMcCain 4 years ago
So the points you make have never been contended by Mike, so the only one lying, something truly despised by Christian principle here is you. Mike is for Homeschooling and he did put in place certain standards so that HE COULD THEN OFFER THEM TAX BREAKS ONCE THE STANDARDS WERE MET. Mike is the only candidate in the race who has been endorsed by the National Home School Association and they form a huge wing of his support. Again, Truth seems to escape you.
NOtoMcCain 4 years ago
Oh wow, the NEA endorsed my guy. I'd really hate to have my candidate have that extra chance to win once he gets the nomination this fall. What? Are you serious? He takes his education system on a nationwide same-state increase and gets the endorsement from the NEA for his efforts and you cite this as a bad thing. Are you mentally compromised?
NOtoMcCain 4 years ago
Ron Paul does not want to undo what was done there. He simply wants to obey our laws and stop occupying a country that no longer needs or wants us.
Since when is preserving wealth the very antithesis of Christianity? Yes, we are not to store up treasures on earth, but that does not mean that we are to be dirt poor. Is that why you like taxes so much? Because you want to be poor?
For one, people on welfare are often NOT poor. They just don't like to work.
LadyAbigail90 4 years ago
YOU, and the utterly unread like you, who proclaim to have faith hurt the the efforts to fight for Christian principles.
Name ONE, just one program that Paul created to help ANYONE in need...ever? You cannot becuase he hasn't ever.
Huckabee, on the other hand, reduced those on welfare in his state by 61% WHILE raising the standard of living by more than double. He took their education system from 38th to 8th in the nation. He has helped those in need putting Christian principles into action.
NOtoMcCain 4 years ago
Fact: 100 % of the Pilgrims who first sailed here fevertenly believed in God (and more importantly Christ).
Fact: 100% of the signers of the Declaration of Independence adamantly believed in God.
Fact:So did 100% of the framers of the Constitution.
Fact: For the first 20 sessions of Congress, they took official "Prayer Breaks" to go to God before they voted.
Looks like it is you and the Godless like you who need to leave OUR country.
NOtoMcCain 4 years ago
well NOtoMcCain, i'm not sure what your point is.
those pilgrims remember, fled europe to avoid religious persecution and the signers of the declaration wanted to make sure one could worship as he/she wanted, but never did they say any one religion would prevail or be endorsed.
because some of our fathers believed in god did not mean god need be rammed down anyone's throat anywhere in this country!
wntoply6 4 years ago
My point is that uniformly and across the board, the men and women that founded and started this nation believed avidly in God. Huckabee's winning does, in no way shape or form, endorse one religion and it does not mean that religion will be rammed down anyone's throats. Mike has NEVER, even once, advocated that he would seek to endorse the Baptist religion once elected. Your mention of it is laughably absurd. So, what is YOUR point
NOtoMcCain 4 years ago
sorry notomccain, huckabee wants to change the constitution to reflect his god.
where've you been? it's been all over the news & youtube, in his own words & pictures!
if he's a freakin baptist, then he wants the constitution to reflect that religion. once the constitution becomes a baptist surrogat, then the bigoted southern so called "christians" can ram their lies down everyone's throat.
you're like huckabee, say one thing to southerners another to the rest of america!
wntoply6 4 years ago
Do ALL Christians believe in the preservation of Life and protecting the unborn? YES. Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Free Churches and anyone who believes in the Bible believe the unborn should be protected. Roe vs. Wade has taught us to do that the Constitution must be amended so that this immense atrocity will end. NO true Christian disagrees with that.
NOtoMcCain 4 years ago
Thankfully, not all Christians are the same.
(and with that statement I am not necessarily referencing abortion)
It's amazing what the fear of not having others do things your way can do to the mind of a person.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
Not all "christians" are Christian. And believe me, you are definitely one to talk.
duzell3071 4 years ago
McCain 08
bodude26 4 years ago
Boy, your certainly trying to ram your hatred down our throat.
duzell3071 4 years ago
There is no hatred, my friend.
What you are attempting to do by saying that is to quickly paint me as sewn by "evil" and "hatred" for your own public relations' and argument's purposes on this board.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
I haven't any hatred or evil but rather a willingness to explore a more grounded and logically oriented USA whose sense of morality and justice is not limited to Biblical interpretations. It is, as I said, not a Christian country. Just a lot of Christians live here. Though that in itself is becoming more and more a less unified group every year.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
Nice try however . . . I mean, that might be one Christian's take on things ---> label those who disagree with you as full of hatred and evil.
Doesn't quite hit the mark, my dear friend.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
You don't quite get it. We are all inherently evil.
duzell3071 4 years ago
Fair enough.
How about I agree to not argue that point with you? And how about we further agree that currents of Christianity, Judaism, currents of Western continental philosophy, and eastern philosophy ALL pretty much agree with that concept in one way or another.
So it is fair to both say and explore that.
But it is NOT stated as a solely Christian principle nor does Christianity offer the only solution to this fact of the human condition.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
It goes back to the argument of whether you would have parts of the truth, or have the whole truth. Unfortunately, contrary to your opinion, all religions don't have that much in common.
duzell3071 4 years ago
You're right: there is much religions do not have in common.
One more correct point to add: And it so follows that one religion is not the right one. What a sad existence will come to pass when people actually believe that. Christians have been responsible for more Holy Wars than any other religion. More than Islam by tenfold.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
I could say the same thing about athiesm. State enforced athiesm has killed millions of Christians because the Christians refused to abandon their faith. Christians have been killed far more for their faith then any other, only rivaled by the Jews.
duzell3071 4 years ago
Please do not feel the need to be out to get me as I am not out to get you. I am sharing my opinion with you, an opinion that promotes the challenges and concerns that many have regarding the objectives of the so-called Christian right in the USA, a (still) relatively recent historic movement that cannot be compared to what existed on the conservative side of the US political spectrum between the 1950s and 1970s because most of it didn't exist and that which did was small and not as mobilized.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
Actually, I feel the need to address some of the ignorance, yes ignorance, going on out there about us Christians. Starting with the myth that we hate anybody who doesn't conform to our teachings, that they are evil and such. Fact is, we all are evil inherently, that is why we are Christians. We Christians, unfortunately, are the moral compass of the nation. Because we believe that someday we will have to answer for the actions we have taken. That is why we do not budge concerning our beliefs.
duzell3071 4 years ago
you may be evil inherently, but i am not. you can keep that kind of crap to yourself duzell, sane people are above your limited, halting and hating beliefs.
wntoply6 4 years ago
I am not even worried about you, as you have shone, quite well, your evil nature. And the fact that you are mean spirited. What you said is probably the biggest hypocritical batch of nonsense I've seen yet, and I've seen a lot. Word of advice, look in a mirror.
duzell3071 4 years ago
that's only your opinion duzell, and to be honest, if you're for fuckabee, who really gives a shit what you think. you're a bigoted so called "christian" pig.
i have looked in the mirror and am quite comfortable with myself, that's why it's important to go after bullshitters, like you, and expose them for what they really, wayward so called "christians" who use the bible for their purposes, primarily to hate!
wntoply6 4 years ago
I have better things to do then trade insults with and "obvious to everyone" hypocrite. You bury yourself deeper with every inane comment you make. I do hope you continue to post, as the only thing it seems to accomplish is to help my side. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
duzell3071 4 years ago
again that's you're opinion. supporting fuckabee for any reason is total insanity, so duzell i wouldn't talk. to support him is digging yourself deeper into the pit of hell. so perspective is what counts, not your ignorant beliefs.
wntoply6 4 years ago
Why would you be even on a pro-Huckabee thread unless you wanted to start a fight ? You being a hypocrite is not an opinion, but a fact. Get a life. Rather than showing us your corrosive hatred in your posts, show us why we shouldn't vote or support Huckabee, annnd have some facts to back up your claim. You call us bigots, yet you are prejudiced against anybody who is an evangelical, and anybody from the south.Please leave, before you make a fool of yourself...again.
duzell3071 4 years ago
cause i like to aggravate people like you. got any more questions you "christian" bigot?
wntoply6 4 years ago
Revealing your true nature I see. No, I am quite satisfied, as long as there is people like you, our cause will continue to gain supporters. We Christians grow under persecution, especially intense persecution. We only stagnate when we don't. I doubt you don't even know what it is that a Christian stands for, just as much as you don't know how hypocritical you are right now. Why I post is because it helps people to know about what it means to be a Christian.
duzell3071 4 years ago
my true nature is i don't like lying hypocritical so called "christians" who bullshit and steal money from the less fortunate, who spend their lives putting fear into people unnecessarily only to gain power.
i don't like so called "christians" who what to remake the constitution to their own liking.
unfortunately idiot, you do, so you and the rest of your so called "christian" bigoted friends can either kiss my dirty shithole or go fuck yourselves...bigtos all of you!
wntoply6 4 years ago
It takes a hypocrite to know a hypocrite. And besides, I highl;y doubt that you are any better, what with your language and all. All I ask is that you keep persecuting us Christians, it can only help us.
duzell3071 4 years ago
sorry asshole that axiom never worded. find something wittier, that doesn't insult your intelligence duzell.
stop persecuting you so called "christians", you fucking asshole. you've been doing nothing but persecuting others not like you for 2000 fucking years. now it's your turn. you goddamned bigot!
wntoply6 4 years ago
So I suppose, given half a chance, that you would have us exterminated to keep our filth from spreading across the Earth ?
duzell3071 4 years ago
Wow! You are quite the mouthpiece for your war, aren't you?
What you have achieved is frightening me off from every supporting an overtly Christian candidate such as Huckabee. Personally I think Huckabee is a good person, intelligent enough, though not necessarily qualified on certain files such as external affairs. Fair enough. All candidates have their strengths.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
You wouldn't support him if he was the last candidate on Earth, you have already made that clear in our much earlier argument. So I don't see how you could think any different now.
duzell3071 4 years ago
But that's not the problem, now is it? - the problem with supporting an overtly Christian candidate riding on a Christian platform is not so much the intolerance that might arise from said platform but rather the "Christian warriors" such as yourself who make such an option completely daunting.
Frightening.
Listening to you makes me fear for my freedom.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
I actually fear for my freedom because of people clamoring to get rid of us. As I mentioned before, If we Christians don't get involved in politics, others will. And those others will eventually seek our death to pave the way for their ideals, however deluded they might be. Besides, Mike Huckabee has been riding on the Republican platform that has been in existence since the 80's. I fail to see were he is any different. He has never pushed for a theocracy in his state, why would he now ?
duzell3071 4 years ago
the only thing you have to fear duzell is fear itself. yes we have to be vigilent, but for christ's sakes stop the fear mongering among americans.
and you still have that "fear" because your president, bush, took his eyes of the prize, bin ladin, and went for oil money to keep his family and friends rich. and he had done that at the expense of many lives, the bastard.
the republican platform is built on exclusion and hate since the 80's so much for crap.
wntoply6 4 years ago
The only thing we have to fear, unfortunately, is people like yourself who are bigoted to the point of insanity. You still haven't answered a question of mine. Given half a chance, would you seek to exterminate us before we have a chance to spread our hatred everywhere ?
duzell3071 4 years ago
find another line duzell, your echo is hear by all.
btw i did answer that question some time back, did you miss it in all your tirades about how wonderful christians are?
wntoply6 4 years ago
You sound like your dodging the question again. If you don't answer, I will assume that you would. Which brings me to another point, I fail to see where you are so much better than us Christians. Why don't you lead the way in how you act. Prove to us ignorant masses that you are better, if you have the guts to. Otherwise, continue spouting off garbage and help my cause even further.
duzell3071 4 years ago
if you would take the goddamned time to re read this converation you "christian" idiot, you would find my answer. too bad you haven't got the capacity to find it.
and people like you get to vote. how tragic!
wntoply6 4 years ago
Boring, same song, same dance.
duzell3071 4 years ago
then, duzell, don't read my responses you idiot, and don't respond.
you have never had anything of intelligence to say and have never brough any light to any subject. all you do is mime what you have been taught, and i am quite sure you have never questioned the bullshit with which you have been brought up in.
i pity you!
wntoply6 4 years ago
But I like seeing you angry, and I do love to antagonize you. Sound familiar ?
duzell3071 4 years ago
ah, then again that is where you are wrong duzell.
people below me in intelligence, like you, never anger my, i just have pity for you and how you live your backward life. and i always laugh at you for your ignorance.
wntoply6 4 years ago
That's funny, considering your posts are chock full of anger. Are you having senior moments now ? You don't pity me, you just wish we would go away.
duzell3071 4 years ago
I will ask you again, and I will keep on asking until I get and answer from you, or annoy you to death. Given half a chance, would you exterminate us Christians ?
duzell3071 4 years ago
again, as i said in my last answer which you are too lazy to find, i would educate you ignorant, bigoted so called "christians" so you understand how backward and hateful you are. the only thing i would exterminate is the hate you harbor for others not like you. got that bigot, or do you need more of an explanation?
wntoply6 4 years ago
The only way you'll exterminate our "hate" is to kill us. We're willing to die with our beliefs. It is to bad for you, your soul has been tainted with hatred. You have shown yourself to be the very thing you profess to hate, hypocrisy. Now then, it is kinda hard for me to take you seriously when you spew forth vomit from your mouth, calling us hate-mongers when it is obvious that your full of hate. I can post and post until your sick of me, so keep shooting your mouth off, I look forward to it.
duzell3071 4 years ago
isn't it interesting so called "chritians" like you use the word "kill"! why is that duzell? are you that backward that education eludes you? you don't want to be educated because you might see other points of view?
well, you're typical. again i pity you for your complete ignorance.
wntoply6 4 years ago
Well, if your brand of education makes you this deluded, perhaps I would be proud not to be "educated". And besides, what you know about us ? After all, we are nothing more than a bunch of retarded monkeys, so you say.
duzell3071 4 years ago
And I also like to reveal to the public the evil in your words. I already knew there is no hope in trying to change your mind, you are too far gone. Instead, perhaps others can avoid the pitiful trap you have fallen into. It is a much more fufilling goal than just to aggravate someone.
duzell3071 4 years ago
frankly i don't give a fuck what you want to reveal. you and your kind are the most dispicable type people on the face of the earth.
wntoply6 4 years ago
Now you are becoming a tad predictable. You could at least try and spice it up a little. Come on, even a child could come up with something better than that.
duzell3071 4 years ago
cool...fuck off you goddamned so called "christian" bigot.
wntoply6 4 years ago
No thank you.
duzell3071 4 years ago
I see. So, given half a chance, would you seek to exterminate us before we pollute the Earth with our outdated beliefs ?
duzell3071 4 years ago
My friend, I have watched you ERUPT across the screen with your explosive conjecture, inferring at every turn that those who do not see your way are simply liberals who will perish for not accepting the absolute.
May your "God" have "mercy" on your "soul" for your outlandish, indecent, and absolutely meanspirited behaviour.
For you it is as though anything less than a theocracy makes the US closer to sin. I would keep that opinion to yourself.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
I really believe you have gone off the deep end this time. Nowhere have I said that you will perish for not accepting my viewpoints, I only said that your line of thinking is naive and foolish. The one who is out of line here is you, I believe we already had an extensive argument on the subjects. Did I say I want a theocracy ? History proves that when a theocracy abounds, It is usually we Christians who suffer the most persecution.
duzell3071 4 years ago
Perhaps you have forgotten, but the best ideas in history are often the ones most regarded as explosive, therefore, I have apologized for nothing. Neither will I apologize for calling a blatant hypocrite a hypocrite. Neither will I apologize for calling your behavior foolish, for it is foolish. At least I don't go on threads of ideas I don't like trying to pick fights, which is more than I can say for you, or the hate-mongering wntoply6.
duzell3071 4 years ago
But neither will we stand by and watch our Christian beliefs get ripped up and thrown to the wind either. Europe is a prime example of this, once they threw out the moral fiber, they began restricting Christians. Now they taking them to court for perpertrating "explosive" ideas. Pretty soon, you will be jailed for your beliefs, and eventually you will die for it. This has happened many times before throughout history, this is nothing new for us.
duzell3071 4 years ago
It is because of those Christian beliefs is the reason why we have laws that outlaw theft, murder, etc. Why we have ethics in science, why we value life rather than death. Christian morality is also the reason why we have freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom from slavery, etc. I fail to see how Christianity in politics is a bad thing.
duzell3071 4 years ago
I think Christianity, the religion and a good number of its people (such a disparate thing, once again) is good. As is Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, and sexy lady feet worshipping.
Truth be told, none can be made higher or "more equal" than the others.
Respect, prudence, acknowledgment of our laws, and a dedication to living harmoniously with one another need be our objective. All world religions carry a smatter of those things.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
There is always contradictions in religions. Only a single religion is the right one. Other religions may contain parts of the truth, but only one contains the whole truth. It is up to you to choose. When you decide to force someone to accept your religion,( whether it is Christianity, Athiesm, Islam, etc.) is when you have a problem. It all comes down to choice.
duzell3071 4 years ago
Oh my, you really believe only in Christianity? Fine, that is okay.
And I am agnostic and committed to humanity too.
That is you. This is me. Here we are.
(but do not go down the hollow road of saying, "No, that's not enough! - those who do not believe in the Christian God will burn in hell, or blah blah blah..."
Yawn. If you have that believe it goes nowhere and is not worth my time refuting.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
But, no, this is my USA too we do not need to be run by Christians with "God" on their sleeve to feel truly American.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
Neither should you look down upon and try to restrict people who do so.
duzell3071 4 years ago
And your belief that only your "God"can save "mankind" is exactly the sort of unhealthy presumptuousness that infects it. Believe as you wish, I do not wish to disturb that . . . but DO NOT weigh your mandate or judgment upon anyone, for the you are a scion of fear, bigotry, and dislike of all that do not exist as you do.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
You are thus not getting the point. It is an individual choice to believe in God or not, it is not a choice anybody can make for you. A choice carries consequences. It does not make somebody a scion of fear, bigotry, and dislike. It is simply acknowledging the that you believe that you found the truth, and that any other half-truths out there will lead you wrong. Your labeling only reveals your own fear and prejudism.
duzell3071 4 years ago
There you go again, looking for labels or my example of hatred. That is an awful thing to do when I am speaking to a universality of consciousness and how to understand the different parts that make up our society.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
It is a label when you call someone a cesspool of hatred. And absolute of us Christians state, "Do unto others what you have them do unto you."
duzell3071 4 years ago
Listen, you just hung yourself in your third line when you stated that there are "consequences." I know that is your thinly veiled way of saying there are "consequences" for not following Christianity.
Thanks for your judgment. You need to stop trying to find hatred in those who do carry your beliefs or see things the way you do. Not once have I pointed hatred at you. I have spoken for as many as possible, Christians included, while you continue to press for Christianity.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
You have misunderstood. You believe that consequences are always bad. And absolute states that their are good and bad consequences. A good consequence for not following God means that you choose your own destiny. A bad consequence for not Following God means that you no longer have a means to no what is right but by your own conscience. To flip the hate card without knowing what the person meant is nothing more than immaturity.
duzell3071 4 years ago
Fair enough. It is obviously your belief. I respect that. But I am speaking to and trying hard to be of service in accounting for the innumerable other voices out there. That, my friend, is hardly hatred. And it is certainly very far removed from intolerance.
Rabidsenses 4 years ago
obama and hillary need to drop out. no one wants to hear any of there crying anymore. If obama gets it.. some crazy person will shoot him and blame it on the government like the kenedy thing.
reddog68u 4 years ago 4
this guy is awsome stands for america belives. i hope he gets the white house. no one is ready for a iraq presedent aka obama. and hillary is a lier. if any of them 2 get the white house war will come to the US. mike huckabee would be a better presedent. he stands for our nations quote. in god we trust.. hillary and obama will take that away and the US will go down the toilet even more then whats it is now.
reddog68u 4 years ago 3
DROP OUT NOW HUCKSTER !!! You can not win and you are dividing our party go back to Arkansas and lie and steal from your Church America aint buying your Gomer Pyle Smile ,Lame Ass Flat jokes and lies!! If we want a Liberal we will vote Obama or Clinton ! DROP OUT NOW!! Carter + Clinton = Huckabee !!
McCain/Thompson 08
bodude26 4 years ago
youre a single minded cock sucka
gogators078 4 years ago
GO HUCK!!!! I pray that he wins!!! :)
reallyfun 4 years ago 2
Mike is the only one that can beat Obama. Mac can't go up against a guy who is in his 40's, great speaker and is outside of Washington. Waht is the GOP doing-commiting suicide?
HebertForHuck 4 years ago 3
He will win.
dave98503 4 years ago 3
Huckabee must have a super inflated ego thinking that he would have the slightest chance of ever being president.after the mess Bush has made of things,I don't think even the republicans are dumb enough to vote another religious nut into the white house..lol.
remorodz 4 years ago
men listen to Huck..he's different than Bushh..he's incredible like Ronald Reagan...
The only one that can unite the republican party and go against Obama...
HebertForHuck 4 years ago 2
fuckabee's a so called "christian" bigot from the south. he is not they type person america needs as president.
if given his way the constitution will be a christian document with discrimination written all throughout it.
the guy's a religious freak and we don't need any more religious crap in this world. it's a mess enough without adding a bigoted, ignorant, lying southern preacher to the mix!
wntoply6 4 years ago
Huckabee has my support.
mrrogerj 4 years ago
Thanks you for this presentation. Very helpful. GO HUCK!!!!!
methebigkid 4 years ago
One serious question "Sophie"... who do you plan to vote for that will satisfy your ideals and beliefs?
0Blackwater 4 years ago