WE MUST PROTECT THIS MAN FROM ROTHSCHILD. the rothschilds and othr illuminati satanist are afraid of ron paul. THEY know how big of a threat he is. IF (no, when) we bring down the federal reserve we will shoot a big hole into their plans. RON PAUL 2012
And to top it off, cocaine is the {habitual} drug of the stupid people, highly connected or not. Just look at Don Imus today, he can't even articulate his sentences. But the most important thing is that it is brought in to distract and poison the little guy, who thinks he has it made as his dollar sinks into oblivion.
@sellz22 I think if Roun Paul doesnt get to office,you have to go for the guns and forks...cause you are in deep shit!If this happens you enter the final stages of the total take over of the elite over your country....
We need to reinstate the Rule of Law and hold [ALL] accountable for their unlawful & illegal acts. 99.99% of the people must stand up and retake our Government back from the Criminal Gangs now in control. Where are those from the Military Services who swore to protect us and to uphold the Constitution and Bill of Rights? Where are you? Are you a bunch of Cowards? I think so.......
Hi am from Venezuela. I don’t mean to interfere in your domestic policy but obviously ur foreign policy is extremely important to all Latin Americans. I’ve grown huge fan of RP, I never thought I would live to see so many Americans opening their eyes n realizing what your Government is been doing. RP haven’t talk much about it but we L.A have also suffer the brutality of the US Gov. I hope that he wins for the sake of humanity n if he doesnt I hope you guys keep his message alive.
Obviously this is a very hush hush topic in the media because let's face it, drugs build empires & prohibition keeps the prices high via artificial scarcity. long live the drug war!
Jesus, wasn't Ron Paul ever sane? Fucking guy talked like a nut back then just as much as he does now. I also don't appreciate his little Reagan joke that he made. Please, Reagan was 1000 times the man and the leader Ron Paul ever was or ever will be. So, Ron Paul is a really old man now. Does that mean he won't be paying much attention to the CIA? Give me a break. Guy is a damn nut.
@LedWhisky69 Hey, the interviewer was asking him questions and he was answering. Bush was in fact head of the CIA and Reagen wasn't, so it was factual that he was removed from it. Also remember that Reagen was a former actor and he was known for his personality. He wasn't putting him down. So he was not aware of the same details Bush was. Besides that, Reagen endorsed Ron Paul when Dr. Paul first ran for POTUS.
@MayonR Ok, first off, Reagan was the kind of man that would have supported most any Republican. "Thou shall not speak ill of other Republicans". Ron Paul, however, had this to say about Reagan: "I want to totally disassociate myself from the Reagan Administration.“ So, Paul seems to pretend NOW that they were buddy-buddy back then because it's politically expedient do so, but they most certainly were not as close as many people think and this snarky CIA comment gives evidence to that fact.
@LedWhisky69 [["I want to totally disassociate myself from the Reagan Administration.“ ]] All this indicates is that an endorsement won't buy him out. I believe he left the party because they were expanding government and causing wars. So this is a matter of principle. If he reminds others that Regan actually endorsed him, is to make a point that the Republican party used to be closer to his ideals and stand for different principles. Context baby, context.
@LedWhisky69 [[that's spin, ]] It's either true or it's not. Isn't the dangers of expansive government and of unjustified war part of his message? Yes. Was that his message then? Yes. What spin? It's either true or it's not.
@MayonR What you said isn't truth, though, it's spin. Ron Paul disavowed himself rom the Reagan and the Republican party, runs as a Libertarian, then comes back to the Republican party. If he decided to part ways with the Reagan administration back then, it's entirely hypocritical to now use his endorsement as some sort of badge of honor. Any way you slice it, that's spin doctoring...essentially turning everything in Ron Paul's favor no matter what the circumstances are. This is nonsencial.
@LedWhisky69 [[it's entirely hypocritical to now use his endorsement as some sort of badge of honor. ]] Well first of all you will have to show me where you say he used it as a badge of honor. And further, the endorsement was advocating Ron Pauls message, so if Paul left the party it had nothing to do with anything he had to change himself. He was upset at the growing of government their lack to balance the budget. In hindsight he was right and hasn't changed in all that time.
@LedWhisky69 hahaha u can have your hollywood sunshine faggot reagan and i will take the good doctors side in your stupid little comparison u made. also Ronald paul calls himself ron cause he is easy goin like that. also ron paul is from a hardworking place called Pennsyltucky, not hollywood. its really an easy choice here. ronny reagan is a shunshine faggot and a liberal dressed like a conservative. oh ya. nice username 69 boy. i bet u 69 with your priest dont you?
just look it up on youtube... they have a shitload of videos that talk about it... search words: guns for drugs mena :) is there anything better than crazy CIA and drug scandels being revealed?
Mena was close to Elohoim city, right across the border which was run by FBI/CIA and SPLC people. It was being monitored by satellite by the U.S. Geospatial Intelligence Agency. It was a Patriot Cointel pro op. Larry Potts went off script and setup patsy and FBI KITE, Tim McVeigh.
Checkout the documentary "A noble lie".,
Just came out, got the torrent the other day. Your going to shit your fucking pants.
it's interesting how the files regarding the clit-ons arkansas days were in the edward r murrow building when "lone nut" mcveigh blew it up. kind of like all those files being held in wtc 7.
Ron Paul reminds me of columbo these days, he looks to be this mild mannered little fella who is bumbling around the place. but if you mess with him, he'll hang you with his intellect. RON PAUL 2012
@S1elmx puh-leez..are you still believing the smoke and mirrors deception? rp is nothing more than a fac for the nwo..a forward air controller, whose mission is to forge ahead and ascertain the lay of the land (the american public's gullibility). how do i know? everytime the question of the truth behind 9/11 comes up, he obfuscates the issue. nice lap doggie
@ultrakool so apart from the fact he won't start talking about controlled implosions in the wtc buildings on 9/11 what else is it you don't like about the guy.
@S1elmx nothing. however, look closer and you'll see the strings that are attached to his mouth, arms and legs. the sad fact is that there is no "savior" on the horizon in american politics. every last one of them, who is able to rise to the level of presidential consideration, has received their marching orders
Ron Paul will never make it to the white house because he is right about too much shit, and too many people on the inside that know he is a threat to THEIR existence..its sad but its true..why do you think he never gets air time?, and that is just the tip of it
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Not only did Bush know, he and Bill Clinton were partners! Just ask Barry Seal- oh, that's right, you can't, he's dead! Watch "The Clinton Chronicals" and "Barry and the Boys," on You Tube! The ENTIRE Bush family are TREASONOUS,CRIMINAL,MURDEROUS SLIME and at the very LEAST, should be in prison! Bill& Hillary Clinton-DITTO!
@JeffSal999 MENA FARM in ARKANSAS yes!! duuuuuddddeee.... now thats some insane shit if you look up and read more about it. About how shameless and horrible clinton was. Look up MENA and the GUNS FOR DRUGS conspiracy... which by the way is a FACT!!! no other govener would let bush put the airport in there home... exect the slezzyest of them all... bill clinton. But yes JEFF its MENA. Do you have twitter??? follow me and ill do the same mine is @phillyblunt1.
Remember Web Hubbell from the Rose Law firm? His wifes daddy owned the Parkomatic parking meter company and was caught manufacturing lowers for M-16's at his plant. No serials as he had no class x license from the BATF. He got busted and served time.
Ever wonder where all those unmarked guns came from? Rose law firm is a CIA front.
BobbyJ how is it possible that I was able to determine in 2 pages of threads that you are an absolute heartless, mindless, zombie robot slave and the world could benefit greatly if you somehow were infected by aids and then pneumonia shortly thereafter?
Can anybody else see this? What a FUCKING RETARD you are! SERIOUSLY!
You're either an idiot or a traitor to God and country. Which is it?
Please read about the 1953 Iranian coup d'état. It's a very important fact of history moving into the future with stressed relationships with Iran. Our occupation of middle eastern countries for their oil has to stop!!! In August 1953 the US helped British forces to overthrow democratically elected Prime Minister in order to put in place a authoritarian government and reap the shared benefits of Iran's oil with Britain.
legalize drugs, you eliminate crime,90 percent of all property crime is based on high drug prices ,but the lawyers ,judges,police,organizations lose millions of dollars and thousands of jobs enforcing these laws which is what drugs are really about ,making lazy people powerful and rich.
@Odd2DAT1 It's more about the Industrial Prison Complex. The US has the worlds largest prison population, cheap slave labor. Look up Corrections Corporation of America
This is a monster that was born from the CIA teaming-up with the mafia during WWII under their Operation UNDERWORLD. It then got really ugly after Castro, the threat of nuclear war, and Israel gave CIA the sense that anything goes. This underground is the group that assassinated JFK. CIA is a tumor on our democracy that needs to be eradicated. It's a fucking satanic, Nazi, anti-democratic, fascist, anti-christian organization. Those scum jail people for the coke they deliver. Homeland Nazis.
Young people have little understanding of what addiction REALLY is. They have even less grasp of long term affects of drug use. Kids do understand what breaking the law means. So have a heart and help kids do the right thing. Making drugs legal is sending a strong message to kids that drug use is okay. Kids don't know that drug use might be addictive, or will likely impair them for a lifetime. Alcohol is bad enough. We have drawn the line best we could... let's not play dice against kids.
Doctors prescribe harmful and addictive drugs to kids everyday. When i was in high school it was easier to get illegal drugs then alcohol or cigarettes.
@bobbyjwoodruff Reestablish alcohol prohibition. Seriously you are brainwashed and are repeating a meme. Marijuana has very real medical uses that are 100% natural. Even though States have it legal for medical use, the federal government arrests dispensory owners who have valid permits to operate and sick people who are using it for medicine. Ron wants this power to be left to the States to decide and competition will allow people to locate to certain States that allow it.
@bobbyjwoodruff You're an idiot. You're biggest argument is that anyone who supports Ron Paul.... MUST be a drug user and MUST be doing it so they can obtain their drugs.... that are already rediculously easy to buy. Drugs are EVERYWHERE, if you don't see it, then you're blind. If drugs are everywhere..... easy and cheaper to buy and better quality than before the war..... then what's the point of the War on Drugs? Are you a big enough person to admit that the war on drugs is a HUGE failure?
Good job... like everything is all about you... you know, you do come off as a bit of a self-centered druggie, not that you are of course...
My argument was about kids looking to the law as one of their moral compasses, since you have obviously forgotten and are too lazy to scan back and refresh your own bad memory...
Ron Paul's biggest supporters are likely poppy growers in Afghanistan... probably where sickasso72 is from... or wishes he was from...
@bobbyjwoodruff haha... Every time you speak you amaze me, just not in a good way. So can you please explain what it is that makes me come off as a self centred druggie? Since you've been determined to slander me as a druggie since we started speaking. So please, I'm intrigued.
The law being kids moral compass... that's your main argument? i thought we dealt with this already. Parents are kids moral compass, not the law. The day people look to the law for their morals, we're all in trouble.
Go back and read about the three things I said kids use for a moral compass... you've forgotten.
And that brings me to the druggie issue. Druggies have bad memories.
Listen... it doesn't much matter... Paul doesn't have a chance to get your recreational drugs legalized anyway, he's not going to win. And so the kids will still have the law AMONG THE OTHER TWO THINGS I MENTIONED (that you forgot) for guidance, and that's good... that's very good.
@bobbyjwoodruff "And that brings me to the druggie issue. Druggies have bad memories" Time and constant drivel also affects memory, you haven't shown that I have a bad memory. You on the other hand have avoided my questions from the start and not just forgotten about them. One question is why does the Netherlands have a lower rate of drug use (Adults and teenagers) and crime then somewhere like America? Why are you so against alternative theories or ideas when the "War on Drugs" has failed?
Well, you've shown you've forgotten my main point, yet you somehow imagine you are debating me in a substantive way... whether you naturally have a poor memory, or were a victim of drug abuse doesn't matter to me... you simply haven't the mental capacity for honest debate either way.
@bobbyjwoodruff You're right.... we aren't having an honest debate. People have to listen and respond to what's being said for it to be a debate. You though... ignore anything you disagree with, even if you are asked questions directly. Then you have the gaul to say I have a bad memory about something I answered ages ago. Everyone here knows your game and what kind of person you are, there is no point debating you. I didn't come here for a lecture on why you are right and i am wrong.
Sorry, I didn't recognize that you were having an honest debate, which is 180 degrees different than one of those regular debates the rest of us too often have when we leave the judgment of a debate to the onlookers.
I wouldn't want to impugn your honest character(s) in this comment section.
@bobbyjwoodruff You're a retard and you just proved me right. You have ignored every direct question I have asked you. You compensate for this by just trying to have a go at my character.
I'm sorry is your view right? has the war on drugs worked? Well then there is absolutely no point in talking to you. At the end of the day... if a solution doesn't work and has been shown not to work and the problem keeps getting worse, what kind of person are you to refuse any other possible solutions?
@bobbyjwoodruff Your view is wrong. The war on drugs hasn't worked.... ANYWHERE in the world. Every country who decriminalises drugs finds the same results... every country who takes the American approach, gets the American result.... lots of crime, junkies and repeat offenders. At the end of the day.... if a solution doesn't work and has been shown not to work and the problem keeps getting worse, what kind of person are you to refuse any other possible solutions (that have been shown to work)?
@MyJibJib Furthermore, criminalization drives prices up which makes it a prime industry for organized crime (The Mexican Cartels). The demand will always be here in this country and it just keeps feeding a criminal organization so large that it can stand up against the mexican military which is costing American lives, especially in the border states.
Sorry, I didn't recognize that you made an honest mistake which is 180 degrees different than one of those regular mistakes we all make, yours being of the honest and true variety. A drug user probably would have checked twice in an attempt to compensate and hide any semblance of impairment -- but a good honest mistake shows a person who has his act together, and not in the least confused.
Why didn't I see your mistake was of the honest variety?
@StriveforTrueFreedom The Mexican Cartel's are becoming global organisations... The cartel's are actually fighting over territory in Europe, Asia and Australia. The price of 1 gram of coke in Australia is $350-400 (US$361-$413). People are always willing to pay high prices to get stuff anywhere in the world, and so people will continue to find ways around the authorities
@bobbyjwoodruff Ron's stance is solely a libertarian and Constitutional one. The federal government has no business having any say in this matter. Most States unfortunately won't legalize it though so I don't understand what you are getting at. Most of the States won't legalize drugs for recreation, but over time with competition they may, but this process will take 10 - 20 years at least.
You have to understand, for every rule there is an exception... young people and Ron Paul see things in a very naive black and white sort of way. Well, God didn't make the world that easy to deal with... thing is, we have to learn to use our brains and not rely on some hard and fast rules ALL the time. Prohibition didn't work because of a dark side of human nature to desire escape, that and greed plus the Great Depression forced its repeal.
@bobbyjwoodruff Isn't that how Joe Kennedy made his fortune, bootlegging moonshine through Canada to Mass, then he was made US Ambassador to Norway ? Seems pretty black and white. Prohibition made it profitable and govt people took advantage, same then same now.
Listen... if people want to make money by thwarting the law, there are plenty of opportunities outside of the drug trade. Crime is crime... and there will always be a criminal element. Druggies' argue that somehow crime would stop if you legalize drugs. See, it takes a LOT of drug use to imagine that argument makes any sense, and frankly that's scary by itself. Well, kids who believe Ron Paul isn't taking advantage of their naivete believe that crap also...
@bobbyjwoodruff crime is crime? crime is only crime if it is defined as such by a society. I don't know how much experience you have with drugs, but most of the most harmful drugs are legal or semi legal. Tobacco, alcohol, perscription painkillers.... but im not going to argue with someone who is completely convinced in their own beliefs, its pointless.
Happy to hear you won't argue with someone who has thought so deeply about a subject that they are pretty well convinced that their beliefs are sound. You shouldn't. You should LISTEN to such people... you might learn something...
@bobbyjwoodruff and you're assuming that i haven't thought deeply about this subject? I doubt you would listen to anything i brought to the debate because from reading the course of these comments you don't seem to be listening much to anyone else... I've dealt with plenty of people like you in plenty of arguments like this, and i've learned there is little point. You have to fight like a banshee to get the slightest point through.
@bobbyjwoodruff Just ignore him, he's nothing more than an anti Ron Paul troll who uses weak logic to argue talking points enough to piss someone off. He's disgustingly wrong on everything he says and does it intentionally to get a rise out of people.
@bobbyjwoodruff Hmm, bummer it seems I responded to the wrong person on accident, an honest mistake. An intellectually honest individual would recognize it as such, but someone such as yourself would attempt to capitalize on it by discrediting me...oh wait, that's what you did.
You've refused to acknowledge every intelligent argument to all your asinine statements and instead resort to ad hominems like any good GOP puppet. Go back to 4chan and let the intelligent people think please.
@bobbyjwoodruff No you have to understand that in life, people deal with First Principles. Just as people know it is wrong to kill, steal, defraud, etc., people also know it is wrong to lock someone up for doing something that doesn't harm anyone else. Tyranny is very old and a very dark human desire that people who hold positions of power must resist. They don't. There is no excuse for the Nazi SS to do what they did, but some would say they were just doing their job. These are excusses.
So you understand why we have the 2nd Amendment. Are you trying to disagree with me on something, if so what?... you say I have to understand something... what?
@bobbyjwoodruff You don't understand First Principles. Don't feel bad though most people don't. First Principles are natural rights. Again most people don't understand what natural rights are. It's moral wrong for someone to lock someone else in a jail because they committed a 'crime' but noone was the victim. Victimless crimes are not crimes at all. You can't control the behavior of others if they are not violating the natural rights of others. Your philosophy or lack there of is the problem.
@bobbyjwoodruff..... I see you're still ignoring and avoiding questions you don't like. Why are you bothering to still debate people when you're clearly in the wrong just by the way you ignore ALL REASON by other people and refuse to answer simple questions about the point of view your trying to shove down everybodies throats? At the end of the day... if a solution doesn't work and and keeps getting worse, what kind of person are you to refuse to even consider any other possible solutions?
Just ad hominem from you? Oh... of course, that's who you are. I made a straightforward inquiry of someone who was discussing first principles... no idea why you feel qualified to enjoin... oh, that's right, you didn't enjoin... you just do ad hominem attacks and think you're smart.
Residentzombie was bringing substantive arguments to bear, but I feel I found the fatal flaw in his/her thinking... that is, ignoring the damage drugs do (the crime) as part of the equation.
@bobbyjwoodruff ad hominem...? are you serious...? Please explain how i've done that, you're making shit up. Ad hominem is what you're doing. How have I made any personal attacks at you? I've made ligitamit claims from the way you conduct yourself. Even now, your still refusing to answer the same sorts of questions you want others to answer. I didn't join in your Resident... conversation, i just was pointing out that you ignore questions you don't like... the proof of that is in your writing
Look, we established long ago you are into cheap tactics like agreeing with yourself using other nicks. You are the LEAST legit of the people YOU know! LOL
Give it up. Your guy is not going to win a single state. One reason Ron Paul isn't going anywhere is because of losers like you having his back.
The other reasons are too numerous to cite in these limited comments. Suffice it to say your multiple moronic personalities helped, so don't feel entirely impotent.
@bobbyjwoodruff "Look, we established long ago you are into cheap tactics like agreeing with yourself using other nicks. You are the LEAST legit of the people YOU know! LOL"
WTF? ad hominem much? remember we just talked about t this...were you trying to prove my point for me were you? "multiple moronic personalities" ha!ha! you're deluded mate. Obviously you can't handle the fact that no agrees with you and so you assume that everyone who disagree's with you is one person. You're sad.
@bobbyjwoodruff lol you are really a jerk, the reason Paul won't be elected is because he would set the country straight . Drug laws do nothing but make big law enforcement bills and promote drug dealing and also corruption in government. If there was no war on drugs Mexico would be far better off but they have enourmous drug cartels that have lots of power because smuggling is profitable as hell. If drugs were cheap and available for adults there'd be no drug violence there now would there?
@bobbyjwoodruff Really? that's you're argument? "You won't have that opinion after a drugged up guy slams his car into you as you're crossing the street." It would still be illegal to drive under the influence of drugs. In countries where they've decriminalized drugs, the drug use has actually dropped afterwards, which makes driving on the road even safer. So your argument goes against the evidence available.
what about the drunk guy that slams into your car/ that's legal so its ok right? the government should never be telling people what to put in thier bodies, theyve made an even bigger problem by prohibiting drugs. The only people that benefit from the war on drugs is law enforcement and they don't produce anything and it costs way too much trying to stop everyone from doing drugs, it's ludicrus to try
Nope.... the kids benefit. I would totally be for legalizing drugs if everyone were suddenly mature thoughtful educated adults. Sorry, that's not reality, not that this kids matter to you as long as you get your fix...
See, Ron Paul doesn't care what happens to real people in the real world... he wants to get elected so panders to naive kids, older druggies, and well, whoever sees the world in simple terms. If you like fantasy, you probably love Ron Paul.
@bobbyjwoodruff I've seen kids get fucked up on Dust-Off and cough-medicine when they couldn't get their drug of choice. If an individual is hell bent on being self-destructive, whether they are 14 or 40, no amount of federal or state laws are going to change their path(short of throwing them in a straight jacket and padded room). I'm sorry but that "Drug enforcement laws protect kids" argument is just bullshit.
Yeah, he slammed his car into me as he was being chased by cops. 3 strikes and your out = desperate moves. Running/fighting cops over what is essentially a health issue, not a legal issue. Bigger prisons, higher taxes, cops behaving like military more and more every day. Lots of cops don't even agree with the prohibition.
LEAP is a group of law enforcement people who think it's wasting their time.
@bobbyjwoodruff a strong signal that needs to be sent is that not all drugs are the same. The countries with the least restrictive laws have some of the lowest abuse rates. They inform their kids, and their communities and respect individual rights. The war on drugs is a code word for CIA drug trafficking. Legal drugs cannot be grown but have been shown time and time again to be just as destructive. Thing is, selling an unpatented drug is bad for the establishment, so they need
You said: "the war on drugs" is a code word for CIA drug trafficking. First of all, that isn't one word, or even close to one word. Let's do the math. Taking out the "the" I see three words, and last time I checked, three isn't one.
How could someone trying to impress another with their sound logic make a statement like this? My guess? Drugs.
"Legal drugs cannot be grown but have been shown..." SAY WHAT?
her untimely death at 26. driving impaired is wrong, no matter what it is, & I have been guilty of such. just glad no-one was injured/killed because of my actions. I think ron paul is someone that may make a difference, but the media is a wicked tool used to sway voters into voting for the lesser of 2 evils. bear with me, I know this covers many topics. there were things reagen allowed to get the S.D.I. signed, which pissed me off, it had to do with immigration. he was my commander in chief.
@Qballfph It is no crime to harm yourself; however, if you harm yourself and put someone else's life or natural rights in danger then that could be considered a major crime with minimal jail time in a cage against your will or a monetary fine. Doing drugs and harming one's self without harming others is NOT a crime. That is called tyranny and being a control freak to want to control other people with the way you think they should live. This isn't East Berlin, it's America land of freedom.
40 years of drug war? you know it seems futile, especially if you keep moving it along by funding operations that lead to nothing, like this fast & furious crap... which i find treasonous. our love of freedom & alcohol brought prohibition to an end. it was silly to try & ban something man has done for centuries. even though i can't stand smoking pot, i think it should be legalized, taxed, & watch the deficit fall. my cousin died of cancer, smoking pot did give her some appetite & peace before...
Man...if only 1988 Ron Paul was running for president today. He seems so much more lucid and speaks better here. I mean, I get that he's old now...but he's so honest and we NEED a president like him. It's just sad to me that he's finally getting the exposure he deserves so late in his life. Too many people write him off because he isn't that great at public speaking. But, his ideas are as sharp as ever. I'm a through and through liberal who sees Paul as the only viable option in 2012.
He doesn't seem to care about freedom for anyone but Americans. He doesn't seem to care about children doing drugs. Ron Paul looks at just about everything through a prism of negativity. Instead of helping children, he'd rather hurt drug cartels. Instead of supporting freedom around the world, he'd rather save a buck for himself and his friends here at home.
If we only traded between Americans, America would be very poor indeed. Paul is clueless.
@bobbyjwoodruff "supporting freedom around the world"? lol, are you 17 years old? did somebody crochet that convenient anecdote onto a pillow for you? things are not that simplistic.
In 1775, there wasn't a single democracy on the face of the earth. Since then, half the world are democracies.
Sure, you think "hey, only a 17-year old would be dumb enough to think that had anything to do with the U.S. or its Constitution."
Or maybe you think "Adults, that is people who aren't young naive 17-year-olds anymore, understand that only Americans deserve freedom. If you think anyone else does, you're an idealistic simpleton."
@bobbyjwoodruff Actually, I think it is you who hates America. You care not for the principles of smaller gov't and freedom that were instrumental in the founding of this country. To you America is about preemptive war, preemptive detention with no trial, and two flavors of the same thing in mainstream democrat and republican ideology. So maybe we hate your misguided, sick view of what America is, but let's not mince words about who really hates AMERICA and AMERICAN PRINCIPLES here for it is you
It is both. Describe to me how we elect our Congressmen. See, you can't answer because like a deer in headlights, you never really ever thought about it for yourself. Time to learn to think. Come on... you can do it.
@bobbyjwoodruff Bobby, your statement, as usual, is full of hyperbolic BS. You bet, we elect our congressman. Do you and I get to vote on the laws they pass? Do we? Nope? Hmmm, that's becuase it is a republic and not a democracy. Why don't you get your head out of whatever mainsteam republicans lap it's in, and try to STFU and learn yourself, you egotistical, brainless fool. Come on, you can do it, you cocky piece of shit.
You are very funny. By your definition, democracy doesn't exist on earth anywhere today! Naturally I expect this sort of nonsense from people in support of legalizing drugs... logic not being something they often dabble in...
@bobbyjwoodruff I think what he is trying to tell you is that the US is not a direct democracy, rather it is a representative democracy, broadly referred to as a republic, republican democracy. Not to be confused with the platform or ideology of today's republican party.
@bobbyjwoodruff Lmao yes the CIA bringing cocaine into the country really helps our children... Imagine if half the money we spend detaining and trying drug users went towards educating the youth on the facts about drug abuse. And I'm not talking about some corny ass anti-pot smoking ad, I'm talking about actual data and statistics backed up by research and studies. We waste hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars on a strategy that perpetuates the drug problem, rather than trying to fix it.
"So when people flat out deny that kids don't, I think they're pushing an agenda and throwing common sense out the window." So again you think anything who flat out disagree's with YOU is "throwing common sense out the window" "The argument should be whether removing the illegal drug trade is worth sacrificing a few kids [to drugs] toward that goal." Not really..... since one of the arguments is the laws are making it worse for kids. You've just shown how little you know. Educate yourself.
(con)...kids don't break the law. Current statistics and common knowledge shows, that illegal drugs are easier for teenagers to get then Alcohol. If you deny this, then you really don't know anything. Because the drugs are easier to get, more teenagers use drugs than alcohol. If the law worked as a proper guide.... more would be drinking alcohol then doing drugs. Something for you to think about. (con)
Just so you all know, MyJibJib is lying when he tries to convince people that the most commonly used drug among American youth isn't alcohol, it is.
Look it up. Yup. MyJibJib is a liar.
Now why would a person lie about this, and in such a big way? Perhaps because MyJibJib's agenda is to have drugs legalized so he can obtain them more easily? You bet that's the reason.
@bobbyjwoodruff he said easiest to get, not most used. For example underage kids can more easily buy marijuana. It's also more potent than it was during the 60's because of the illegality, which makes it even more dangerous. Legalize it and regulate it like alcohol.
Ah... then you both admit that alcohol is most used. And I contend it is EXACTLY because alcohol is legal, pot is not, and if you legalize pot, its use will INCREASE amongst children. Without meaning to, you've pretty much nuanced yourselves into admitting my main point, that legalizing pot will increase its use among children, which nobody but nobody wants to have happen.
@bobbyjwoodruff my focus is more on the strength and danger. The longer it is illegal, the less it can be regulated, the more potent and dangerous it becomes, while having easier access. It's a vicious cycle. Alcohol was also more dangerous during prohibition. It's a vicious cycle of the state trying to regulate the personal nonviolent habits of people in general. Let parents be given the responsibility, not adults, not free individuals.
@bobbyjwoodruff furthermore, by legalizing it you tare apart the cartels at the seams. The most conservative administrations while they waged their war on drugs, imported huge amounts of cocaine from the poppy fields owned by them in Afganistan and South America. The Iran Contra scandal included, along with the Bush Senior administration, probably going back to the introduction of Raeganomics. You eliminate the source of the division, eliminate the taboo, you eliminate the danger, and in doing
You came in very late to the discussion, and haven't a clue what my position is. You should bow out instead of playing the troll. If you seriously want into the discussion, read all my arguments about the law and children... repeat back to me my argument and we'll debate... 'til then, you are just wasting space.
@bobbyjwoodruff so the reactionary nature in citizens who feel there is a force to fight or this elusive "man" or "machine" that oppresses them. Foreigners go to Amsterdam, because it's legal. Natives to that place do not indulge in much Marijuana at all.
@bobbyjwoodruff Haha... Who said anything about America? Typical, narrow minded American thinking America is the world. Statistics of drugs.... even in america show roughly the same amount as using drugs as alcohol in america..... alcohol being the harder one to get though. I am not American and don't live there so your argument for me wanting to legalise drugs there for my own pleasure is void. And to make drugs easier to get? How much easier can it really get?
And you are not helping with the drug discussion either. Short memory? You don't remember my argument either? Doesn't seem like it since you aren't addressing it at all.
WE MUST PROTECT THIS MAN FROM ROTHSCHILD. the rothschilds and othr illuminati satanist are afraid of ron paul. THEY know how big of a threat he is. IF (no, when) we bring down the federal reserve we will shoot a big hole into their plans. RON PAUL 2012
herbalist2993 11 hours ago
And right again!!!!!
TheHambo58 2 days ago
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and any fool who is not a bankster that will vote for hobama again...
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THE CIA WAS INVOLVE FUCK THE DUMB SHIT .
THECHICANORAPCHANNEL 4 days ago
And to top it off, cocaine is the {habitual} drug of the stupid people, highly connected or not. Just look at Don Imus today, he can't even articulate his sentences. But the most important thing is that it is brought in to distract and poison the little guy, who thinks he has it made as his dollar sinks into oblivion.
Blues353 1 week ago
Ron Paul smells like dog shit.
And he shakes your hand like a fag.
SmallPenisSyndrome 2 weeks ago
@SmallPenisSyndrome Idiots Come in all colors ,shapes and sizes. RP 2012
TheGoat1954 2 weeks ago 4
@TheGoat1954 Such as you?
mechaspark1 1 hour ago
@SmallPenisSyndrome
USA are terrorists, FUCK the USA,USA a nation full of morons.
1770Jerry 1 week ago
@SmallPenisSyndrome dont worry the G point is just on the corner when you enter.
Hey Penis, dont forget to vote Ron Paul if you can, manly hand shaking is not a requirement for leading the world most endebted country!
ddclop 1 week ago
@SmallPenisSyndrome
Based on your username I can understand why you are so angry....I'm sorry.
JAXEVANS 4 days ago
@SmallPenisSyndrome ...hahaha,this guy killed me! how a guy with such name can open his mouth at all?!
galimir 4 days ago
I will loose all hope in humanity if Ron Paul won't get elected for 2012... How dumb can people be?
sellz22 2 weeks ago
@sellz22 I think if Roun Paul doesnt get to office,you have to go for the guns and forks...cause you are in deep shit!If this happens you enter the final stages of the total take over of the elite over your country....
galimir 4 days ago
Duh, the CIA and trafficking in drugs..Well no shit!!!!! Wake up!!! Black projects? Where does this money come from?
VIKING33NY 3 weeks ago 2
We need to reinstate the Rule of Law and hold [ALL] accountable for their unlawful & illegal acts. 99.99% of the people must stand up and retake our Government back from the Criminal Gangs now in control. Where are those from the Military Services who swore to protect us and to uphold the Constitution and Bill of Rights? Where are you? Are you a bunch of Cowards? I think so.......
Robert Reckmeye
rbreckmeyer 3 weeks ago 2
'Ron Paul is the voice of the people, not the media" -Me
spatesellis 3 weeks ago
@spatesellis Sure as long as "the people" refers to privileged white racist people, lmao
version191 3 weeks ago
@version191 ..........the fuck are you talking about? O__o When he speaks, he's speaks for all Americans bacause he's a strong constitutionalist.
spatesellis 2 weeks ago
Bush senior is the only ex-president to still receive CIA briefings. They all have the right to do so, but Bush is the only one who does.
jlarsena 3 weeks ago
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Hi am from Venezuela. I don’t mean to interfere in your domestic policy but obviously ur foreign policy is extremely important to all Latin Americans. I’ve grown huge fan of RP, I never thought I would live to see so many Americans opening their eyes n realizing what your Government is been doing. RP haven’t talk much about it but we L.A have also suffer the brutality of the US Gov. I hope that he wins for the sake of humanity n if he doesnt I hope you guys keep his message alive.
magr2005 3 weeks ago
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magr2005 3 weeks ago
Dont do as your government does, do as your government tells you to do
BADDOOKUS 3 weeks ago
Obviously this is a very hush hush topic in the media because let's face it, drugs build empires & prohibition keeps the prices high via artificial scarcity. long live the drug war!
Whiterhin018 4 weeks ago
Nice socks!!!
Vote Ron Paul 2012 (if only because he's comparatively well dressed...!)
ChristopherHeward 4 weeks ago
Go to Hell usa, fucking criminals
blizard54 4 weeks ago
ron paul fucking sucks,,is putin going to cut the S.V.R.
798unionpipeliner 1 month ago
@798unionpipeliner GED must have been hard. Please, learn basic sentence structure before attempting to comment on Youtube. lol
tbscrazy12 4 weeks ago
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Ron Paul's Racsist Shrimp Recipe.
See it by putting "watch?v=Qhrb--6CngI" in the YouTube search bar.
SFHarry 1 month ago
Jesus, wasn't Ron Paul ever sane? Fucking guy talked like a nut back then just as much as he does now. I also don't appreciate his little Reagan joke that he made. Please, Reagan was 1000 times the man and the leader Ron Paul ever was or ever will be. So, Ron Paul is a really old man now. Does that mean he won't be paying much attention to the CIA? Give me a break. Guy is a damn nut.
LedWhisky69 1 month ago
@LedWhisky69 Hey, the interviewer was asking him questions and he was answering. Bush was in fact head of the CIA and Reagen wasn't, so it was factual that he was removed from it. Also remember that Reagen was a former actor and he was known for his personality. He wasn't putting him down. So he was not aware of the same details Bush was. Besides that, Reagen endorsed Ron Paul when Dr. Paul first ran for POTUS.
MayonR 1 month ago
@MayonR Ok, first off, Reagan was the kind of man that would have supported most any Republican. "Thou shall not speak ill of other Republicans". Ron Paul, however, had this to say about Reagan: "I want to totally disassociate myself from the Reagan Administration.“ So, Paul seems to pretend NOW that they were buddy-buddy back then because it's politically expedient do so, but they most certainly were not as close as many people think and this snarky CIA comment gives evidence to that fact.
LedWhisky69 1 month ago
@LedWhisky69 [["I want to totally disassociate myself from the Reagan Administration.“ ]] All this indicates is that an endorsement won't buy him out. I believe he left the party because they were expanding government and causing wars. So this is a matter of principle. If he reminds others that Regan actually endorsed him, is to make a point that the Republican party used to be closer to his ideals and stand for different principles. Context baby, context.
MayonR 1 month ago
@MayonR That's not context, that's spin, baby.
LedWhisky69 1 month ago
@LedWhisky69 [[that's spin, ]] It's either true or it's not. Isn't the dangers of expansive government and of unjustified war part of his message? Yes. Was that his message then? Yes. What spin? It's either true or it's not.
MayonR 1 month ago
@MayonR What you said isn't truth, though, it's spin. Ron Paul disavowed himself rom the Reagan and the Republican party, runs as a Libertarian, then comes back to the Republican party. If he decided to part ways with the Reagan administration back then, it's entirely hypocritical to now use his endorsement as some sort of badge of honor. Any way you slice it, that's spin doctoring...essentially turning everything in Ron Paul's favor no matter what the circumstances are. This is nonsencial.
LedWhisky69 1 month ago
@LedWhisky69 [[it's entirely hypocritical to now use his endorsement as some sort of badge of honor. ]] Well first of all you will have to show me where you say he used it as a badge of honor. And further, the endorsement was advocating Ron Pauls message, so if Paul left the party it had nothing to do with anything he had to change himself. He was upset at the growing of government their lack to balance the budget. In hindsight he was right and hasn't changed in all that time.
MayonR 1 month ago
@LedWhisky69 hahaha u can have your hollywood sunshine faggot reagan and i will take the good doctors side in your stupid little comparison u made. also Ronald paul calls himself ron cause he is easy goin like that. also ron paul is from a hardworking place called Pennsyltucky, not hollywood. its really an easy choice here. ronny reagan is a shunshine faggot and a liberal dressed like a conservative. oh ya. nice username 69 boy. i bet u 69 with your priest dont you?
MrPrinceOFpa 1 month ago
just look it up on youtube... they have a shitload of videos that talk about it... search words: guns for drugs mena :) is there anything better than crazy CIA and drug scandels being revealed?
Abazaba2munch 1 month ago
Mena was close to Elohoim city, right across the border which was run by FBI/CIA and SPLC people. It was being monitored by satellite by the U.S. Geospatial Intelligence Agency. It was a Patriot Cointel pro op. Larry Potts went off script and setup patsy and FBI KITE, Tim McVeigh.
Checkout the documentary "A noble lie".,
Just came out, got the torrent the other day. Your going to shit your fucking pants.
ApfelDerZwiet 1 month ago
The interviewer is sitting way too close to Dr. Paul (1:34), their legs are almost touching
aquaimmy 1 month ago
it's interesting how the files regarding the clit-ons arkansas days were in the edward r murrow building when "lone nut" mcveigh blew it up. kind of like all those files being held in wtc 7.
S1elmx 1 month ago
@S1elmx right. it was the '95 and 2001 version of the reichstag arson attack
ultrakool 1 month ago
Ron Paul reminds me of columbo these days, he looks to be this mild mannered little fella who is bumbling around the place. but if you mess with him, he'll hang you with his intellect. RON PAUL 2012
S1elmx 1 month ago
@S1elmx puh-leez..are you still believing the smoke and mirrors deception? rp is nothing more than a fac for the nwo..a forward air controller, whose mission is to forge ahead and ascertain the lay of the land (the american public's gullibility). how do i know? everytime the question of the truth behind 9/11 comes up, he obfuscates the issue. nice lap doggie
ultrakool 1 month ago
@ultrakool so apart from the fact he won't start talking about controlled implosions in the wtc buildings on 9/11 what else is it you don't like about the guy.
S1elmx 1 month ago
@S1elmx nothing. however, look closer and you'll see the strings that are attached to his mouth, arms and legs. the sad fact is that there is no "savior" on the horizon in american politics. every last one of them, who is able to rise to the level of presidential consideration, has received their marching orders
ultrakool 1 month ago
I respect this man so much.
zootallurez 1 month ago
Ron Paul will never make it to the white house because he is right about too much shit, and too many people on the inside that know he is a threat to THEIR existence..its sad but its true..why do you think he never gets air time?, and that is just the tip of it
jillzi7 1 month ago
@jillzi7 i absolutely agree....ron paul will never make it to the white house. He is a threat to too many people and departments
inkey2 1 month ago
I'm RACIST for criticizing Obama.
TERRORIST because I'm not with Bush.
ANTISEMITIC for not supporting Rothechild Zionism.
TEABAGGER for supporting the Constitution.
TRUTH-ER for asking unanswered questions.
TRAITOR for whistle-blowing on my corrupt Government.
CONSPIRACY THEORIST for presenting documented facts.
TROLL for uploading news, videos, quotes and U.S.Atrocities.
ANTI-AMERICAN for supporting Constitutionalists like Dr. Ron Paul.
RON PAUL 2012!
WeThePeopleVStheNWO 1 month ago in playlist Ron Paul 53
@WeThePeopleVStheNWO
Well, then you shouldn't have any trouble voting Republican when Ron Paul doesn't get that chance.
bobbyjwoodruff 1 month ago
@WeThePeopleVStheNWO I so understand what you mean. If I was american I would so be voting for this guy.
PeteC2008 3 weeks ago
@WeThePeopleVStheNWO
Beautifully put.
KiloByte72 1 week ago
@WeThePeopleVStheNWO God do you people look up the background of Ron Paul, or did you forget
STUPID for not reading about who you're voting for ?
mechaspark1 1 hour ago
He tells the truth and he always right welcome to 2008 (thats at least when I accepted that fact)
gonadcancervictim 1 month ago
Andropov and Gorbochov were both KGB men of course
chasamb 1 month ago
Go get them Ron
Ygoodingceet 1 month ago
CIA just got busted yesterday actually
MaidenProphecy 1 month ago
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deadadelta 1 month ago
@deadadelta see CIA TATUM CHRONICLES and FBI TED GUNTERSON , Detective MIKE RUPPERT,
George H Bush they now say is worth 79 Billion
deadadelta 1 month ago
Not only did Bush know, he and Bill Clinton were partners! Just ask Barry Seal- oh, that's right, you can't, he's dead! Watch "The Clinton Chronicals" and "Barry and the Boys," on You Tube! The ENTIRE Bush family are TREASONOUS,CRIMINAL,MURDEROUS SLIME and at the very LEAST, should be in prison! Bill& Hillary Clinton-DITTO!
JeffSal999 1 month ago 21
@JeffSal999 all i gotta say is google the mesa farm in arkansa
Abazaba2munch 1 month ago
@Abazaba2munch Do you mean Mena, Arkansas (CIA FRONT) airport? I Googled "mesa farm" and all I got was a poultry farm. Please explain.
JeffSal999 1 month ago
@JeffSal999 MENA FARM in ARKANSAS yes!! duuuuuddddeee.... now thats some insane shit if you look up and read more about it. About how shameless and horrible clinton was. Look up MENA and the GUNS FOR DRUGS conspiracy... which by the way is a FACT!!! no other govener would let bush put the airport in there home... exect the slezzyest of them all... bill clinton. But yes JEFF its MENA. Do you have twitter??? follow me and ill do the same mine is @phillyblunt1.
Abazaba2munch 1 month ago
Hard to find info on this but:
Remember Web Hubbell from the Rose Law firm? His wifes daddy owned the Parkomatic parking meter company and was caught manufacturing lowers for M-16's at his plant. No serials as he had no class x license from the BATF. He got busted and served time.
Ever wonder where all those unmarked guns came from? Rose law firm is a CIA front.
ApfelDerZwiet 1 month ago
Have you seen the new movie about OKC bombing?
A Noble Lie
ApfelDerZwiet 1 month ago
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Ron Paul has my vote. Get informed, America. He is the only one not willing to be a puppet for Banks and Corporations.
TheMaster926 1 month ago
BobbyJ how is it possible that I was able to determine in 2 pages of threads that you are an absolute heartless, mindless, zombie robot slave and the world could benefit greatly if you somehow were infected by aids and then pneumonia shortly thereafter?
Can anybody else see this? What a FUCKING RETARD you are! SERIOUSLY!
You're either an idiot or a traitor to God and country. Which is it?
CMLaneLV 1 month ago
@CMLaneLV That was actually pretty fucking funny.
StriveforTrueFreedom 1 month ago
Ron Paul ?
onecarehere 1 month ago
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Please read about the 1953 Iranian coup d'état. It's a very important fact of history moving into the future with stressed relationships with Iran. Our occupation of middle eastern countries for their oil has to stop!!! In August 1953 the US helped British forces to overthrow democratically elected Prime Minister in order to put in place a authoritarian government and reap the shared benefits of Iran's oil with Britain.
MrMifo83 1 month ago
legalize drugs, you eliminate crime,90 percent of all property crime is based on high drug prices ,but the lawyers ,judges,police,organizations lose millions of dollars and thousands of jobs enforcing these laws which is what drugs are really about ,making lazy people powerful and rich.
Odd2DAT1 1 month ago
@Odd2DAT1 It's more about the Industrial Prison Complex. The US has the worlds largest prison population, cheap slave labor. Look up Corrections Corporation of America
or CCA becoming REIT.
TheRiceowlex 1 month ago
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This is a monster that was born from the CIA teaming-up with the mafia during WWII under their Operation UNDERWORLD. It then got really ugly after Castro, the threat of nuclear war, and Israel gave CIA the sense that anything goes. This underground is the group that assassinated JFK. CIA is a tumor on our democracy that needs to be eradicated. It's a fucking satanic, Nazi, anti-democratic, fascist, anti-christian organization. Those scum jail people for the coke they deliver. Homeland Nazis.
bigcoolviking 1 month ago
Natural substances open your mind to other dimensions. Tyrannical gov and agencies dont want the masses seeing the "other side".
sickasso72 1 month ago
2:32 ironic Putin became the President of Russia 10 years latter
KSmithwick1989 1 month ago
Young people have little understanding of what addiction REALLY is. They have even less grasp of long term affects of drug use. Kids do understand what breaking the law means. So have a heart and help kids do the right thing. Making drugs legal is sending a strong message to kids that drug use is okay. Kids don't know that drug use might be addictive, or will likely impair them for a lifetime. Alcohol is bad enough. We have drawn the line best we could... let's not play dice against kids.
bobbyjwoodruff 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff
Doctors prescribe harmful and addictive drugs to kids everyday. When i was in high school it was easier to get illegal drugs then alcohol or cigarettes.
888777888x 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff Reestablish alcohol prohibition. Seriously you are brainwashed and are repeating a meme. Marijuana has very real medical uses that are 100% natural. Even though States have it legal for medical use, the federal government arrests dispensory owners who have valid permits to operate and sick people who are using it for medicine. Ron wants this power to be left to the States to decide and competition will allow people to locate to certain States that allow it.
residentzombie 1 month ago
@residentzombie
I totally get that a number of Ron Paul supporters want their recreational drugs of choice legalized.
bobbyjwoodruff 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff You're an idiot. You're biggest argument is that anyone who supports Ron Paul.... MUST be a drug user and MUST be doing it so they can obtain their drugs.... that are already rediculously easy to buy. Drugs are EVERYWHERE, if you don't see it, then you're blind. If drugs are everywhere..... easy and cheaper to buy and better quality than before the war..... then what's the point of the War on Drugs? Are you a big enough person to admit that the war on drugs is a HUGE failure?
MyJibJib 1 month ago
@MyJibJib
Good job... like everything is all about you... you know, you do come off as a bit of a self-centered druggie, not that you are of course...
My argument was about kids looking to the law as one of their moral compasses, since you have obviously forgotten and are too lazy to scan back and refresh your own bad memory...
Ron Paul's biggest supporters are likely poppy growers in Afghanistan... probably where sickasso72 is from... or wishes he was from...
bobbyjwoodruff 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff haha... Every time you speak you amaze me, just not in a good way. So can you please explain what it is that makes me come off as a self centred druggie? Since you've been determined to slander me as a druggie since we started speaking. So please, I'm intrigued.
The law being kids moral compass... that's your main argument? i thought we dealt with this already. Parents are kids moral compass, not the law. The day people look to the law for their morals, we're all in trouble.
MyJibJib 1 month ago
@MyJibJib
Go back and read about the three things I said kids use for a moral compass... you've forgotten.
And that brings me to the druggie issue. Druggies have bad memories.
Listen... it doesn't much matter... Paul doesn't have a chance to get your recreational drugs legalized anyway, he's not going to win. And so the kids will still have the law AMONG THE OTHER TWO THINGS I MENTIONED (that you forgot) for guidance, and that's good... that's very good.
bobbyjwoodruff 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff "And that brings me to the druggie issue. Druggies have bad memories" Time and constant drivel also affects memory, you haven't shown that I have a bad memory. You on the other hand have avoided my questions from the start and not just forgotten about them. One question is why does the Netherlands have a lower rate of drug use (Adults and teenagers) and crime then somewhere like America? Why are you so against alternative theories or ideas when the "War on Drugs" has failed?
MyJibJib 1 month ago
@MyJibJib
Well, you've shown you've forgotten my main point, yet you somehow imagine you are debating me in a substantive way... whether you naturally have a poor memory, or were a victim of drug abuse doesn't matter to me... you simply haven't the mental capacity for honest debate either way.
bobbyjwoodruff 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff You're right.... we aren't having an honest debate. People have to listen and respond to what's being said for it to be a debate. You though... ignore anything you disagree with, even if you are asked questions directly. Then you have the gaul to say I have a bad memory about something I answered ages ago. Everyone here knows your game and what kind of person you are, there is no point debating you. I didn't come here for a lecture on why you are right and i am wrong.
MyJibJib 1 month ago
@MyJibJib
Sorry, I didn't recognize that you were having an honest debate, which is 180 degrees different than one of those regular debates the rest of us too often have when we leave the judgment of a debate to the onlookers.
I wouldn't want to impugn your honest character(s) in this comment section.
bobbyjwoodruff 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff All I read was "hurr durr, I are troll"
StriveforTrueFreedom 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff You're a retard and you just proved me right. You have ignored every direct question I have asked you. You compensate for this by just trying to have a go at my character.
I'm sorry is your view right? has the war on drugs worked? Well then there is absolutely no point in talking to you. At the end of the day... if a solution doesn't work and has been shown not to work and the problem keeps getting worse, what kind of person are you to refuse any other possible solutions?
MyJibJib 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff And come one... lets be serious. There aren't any onlookers who are actually on your side.
Just in case though.
IF ANYONE IS ACTUALLY ON BOBBJWOODRUFF'S SIDE and thinks he's making legitmit arguments and not just being a tool.
Type "BOBBJWOOD LEGIT" to show your support.
If on the other hand you just think he's an imbicile and deffinitely a troll, coz who can actually be that retarded...
Type "BOOBJWOOD IS A RETARD"
MyJibJib 1 month ago
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MyJibJib 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff Your view is wrong. The war on drugs hasn't worked.... ANYWHERE in the world. Every country who decriminalises drugs finds the same results... every country who takes the American approach, gets the American result.... lots of crime, junkies and repeat offenders. At the end of the day.... if a solution doesn't work and has been shown not to work and the problem keeps getting worse, what kind of person are you to refuse any other possible solutions (that have been shown to work)?
MyJibJib 1 month ago
@MyJibJib Furthermore, criminalization drives prices up which makes it a prime industry for organized crime (The Mexican Cartels). The demand will always be here in this country and it just keeps feeding a criminal organization so large that it can stand up against the mexican military which is costing American lives, especially in the border states.
StriveforTrueFreedom 1 month ago
@StriveforTrueFreedom
Sorry, I didn't recognize that you made an honest mistake which is 180 degrees different than one of those regular mistakes we all make, yours being of the honest and true variety. A drug user probably would have checked twice in an attempt to compensate and hide any semblance of impairment -- but a good honest mistake shows a person who has his act together, and not in the least confused.
Why didn't I see your mistake was of the honest variety?
bobbyjwoodruff 1 month ago
@StriveforTrueFreedom The Mexican Cartel's are becoming global organisations... The cartel's are actually fighting over territory in Europe, Asia and Australia. The price of 1 gram of coke in Australia is $350-400 (US$361-$413). People are always willing to pay high prices to get stuff anywhere in the world, and so people will continue to find ways around the authorities
MyJibJib 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff Ron's stance is solely a libertarian and Constitutional one. The federal government has no business having any say in this matter. Most States unfortunately won't legalize it though so I don't understand what you are getting at. Most of the States won't legalize drugs for recreation, but over time with competition they may, but this process will take 10 - 20 years at least.
residentzombie 1 month ago
@residentzombie
You have to understand, for every rule there is an exception... young people and Ron Paul see things in a very naive black and white sort of way. Well, God didn't make the world that easy to deal with... thing is, we have to learn to use our brains and not rely on some hard and fast rules ALL the time. Prohibition didn't work because of a dark side of human nature to desire escape, that and greed plus the Great Depression forced its repeal.
bobbyjwoodruff 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff Isn't that how Joe Kennedy made his fortune, bootlegging moonshine through Canada to Mass, then he was made US Ambassador to Norway ? Seems pretty black and white. Prohibition made it profitable and govt people took advantage, same then same now.
TheRiceowlex 1 month ago
@TheRiceowlex
Listen... if people want to make money by thwarting the law, there are plenty of opportunities outside of the drug trade. Crime is crime... and there will always be a criminal element. Druggies' argue that somehow crime would stop if you legalize drugs. See, it takes a LOT of drug use to imagine that argument makes any sense, and frankly that's scary by itself. Well, kids who believe Ron Paul isn't taking advantage of their naivete believe that crap also...
bobbyjwoodruff 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff crime is crime? crime is only crime if it is defined as such by a society. I don't know how much experience you have with drugs, but most of the most harmful drugs are legal or semi legal. Tobacco, alcohol, perscription painkillers.... but im not going to argue with someone who is completely convinced in their own beliefs, its pointless.
Panasper 1 month ago
@Panasper
Happy to hear you won't argue with someone who has thought so deeply about a subject that they are pretty well convinced that their beliefs are sound. You shouldn't. You should LISTEN to such people... you might learn something...
bobbyjwoodruff 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff and you're assuming that i haven't thought deeply about this subject? I doubt you would listen to anything i brought to the debate because from reading the course of these comments you don't seem to be listening much to anyone else... I've dealt with plenty of people like you in plenty of arguments like this, and i've learned there is little point. You have to fight like a banshee to get the slightest point through.
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@Panasper
When and if you bring an argument that one can comprehend I'd be happy to hear it... until then...
bobbyjwoodruff 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff nah... itd be a waste of effort. you would probably ignore or misinterpret anything i said. like i said, ive dealt with your kind.
Panasper 1 month ago
Its one thing to have conviction, its another entirely to be convinced of your own dogma.
Panasper 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff Just ignore him, he's nothing more than an anti Ron Paul troll who uses weak logic to argue talking points enough to piss someone off. He's disgustingly wrong on everything he says and does it intentionally to get a rise out of people.
StriveforTrueFreedom 1 month ago
@StriveforTrueFreedom
Who should I ignore? I think you are confused... in fact, I know you are.
bobbyjwoodruff 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff Hmm, bummer it seems I responded to the wrong person on accident, an honest mistake. An intellectually honest individual would recognize it as such, but someone such as yourself would attempt to capitalize on it by discrediting me...oh wait, that's what you did.
You've refused to acknowledge every intelligent argument to all your asinine statements and instead resort to ad hominems like any good GOP puppet. Go back to 4chan and let the intelligent people think please.
StriveforTrueFreedom 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff No you have to understand that in life, people deal with First Principles. Just as people know it is wrong to kill, steal, defraud, etc., people also know it is wrong to lock someone up for doing something that doesn't harm anyone else. Tyranny is very old and a very dark human desire that people who hold positions of power must resist. They don't. There is no excuse for the Nazi SS to do what they did, but some would say they were just doing their job. These are excusses.
residentzombie 1 month ago
@residentzombie
So you understand why we have the 2nd Amendment. Are you trying to disagree with me on something, if so what?... you say I have to understand something... what?
bobbyjwoodruff 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff You don't understand First Principles. Don't feel bad though most people don't. First Principles are natural rights. Again most people don't understand what natural rights are. It's moral wrong for someone to lock someone else in a jail because they committed a 'crime' but noone was the victim. Victimless crimes are not crimes at all. You can't control the behavior of others if they are not violating the natural rights of others. Your philosophy or lack there of is the problem.
residentzombie 1 month ago
@residentzombie
Are you trying to claim drugs are harmless? Again, you aren't making sense. If you have a point, please make it.
bobbyjwoodruff 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff..... I see you're still ignoring and avoiding questions you don't like. Why are you bothering to still debate people when you're clearly in the wrong just by the way you ignore ALL REASON by other people and refuse to answer simple questions about the point of view your trying to shove down everybodies throats? At the end of the day... if a solution doesn't work and and keeps getting worse, what kind of person are you to refuse to even consider any other possible solutions?
MyJibJib 1 month ago
@MyJibJib
Just ad hominem from you? Oh... of course, that's who you are. I made a straightforward inquiry of someone who was discussing first principles... no idea why you feel qualified to enjoin... oh, that's right, you didn't enjoin... you just do ad hominem attacks and think you're smart.
Residentzombie was bringing substantive arguments to bear, but I feel I found the fatal flaw in his/her thinking... that is, ignoring the damage drugs do (the crime) as part of the equation.
bobbyjwoodruff 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff ad hominem...? are you serious...? Please explain how i've done that, you're making shit up. Ad hominem is what you're doing. How have I made any personal attacks at you? I've made ligitamit claims from the way you conduct yourself. Even now, your still refusing to answer the same sorts of questions you want others to answer. I didn't join in your Resident... conversation, i just was pointing out that you ignore questions you don't like... the proof of that is in your writing
MyJibJib 1 month ago
@MyJibJib
Look, we established long ago you are into cheap tactics like agreeing with yourself using other nicks. You are the LEAST legit of the people YOU know! LOL
Give it up. Your guy is not going to win a single state. One reason Ron Paul isn't going anywhere is because of losers like you having his back.
The other reasons are too numerous to cite in these limited comments. Suffice it to say your multiple moronic personalities helped, so don't feel entirely impotent.
bobbyjwoodruff 1 month ago
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@bobbyjwoodruff "Look, we established long ago you are into cheap tactics like agreeing with yourself using other nicks. You are the LEAST legit of the people YOU know! LOL"
WTF? ad hominem much? remember we just talked about t this...were you trying to prove my point for me were you? "multiple moronic personalities" ha!ha! you're deluded mate. Obviously you can't handle the fact that no agrees with you and so you assume that everyone who disagree's with you is one person. You're sad.
MyJibJib 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff lol you are really a jerk, the reason Paul won't be elected is because he would set the country straight . Drug laws do nothing but make big law enforcement bills and promote drug dealing and also corruption in government. If there was no war on drugs Mexico would be far better off but they have enourmous drug cartels that have lots of power because smuggling is profitable as hell. If drugs were cheap and available for adults there'd be no drug violence there now would there?
MrROTD 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff Drugs are harmless to other's freedom of choice and personal liberty, correct.
residentzombie 1 month ago
@residentzombie
You won't have that opinion after a drugged up guy slams his car into you as you're crossing the street.
bobbyjwoodruff 1 month ago
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@bobbyjwoodruff Really? that's you're argument? "You won't have that opinion after a drugged up guy slams his car into you as you're crossing the street." It would still be illegal to drive under the influence of drugs. In countries where they've decriminalized drugs, the drug use has actually dropped afterwards, which makes driving on the road even safer. So your argument goes against the evidence available.
MyJibJib 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff shut the fuck up, government involve
what about the drunk guy that slams into your car/ that's legal so its ok right? the government should never be telling people what to put in thier bodies, theyve made an even bigger problem by prohibiting drugs. The only people that benefit from the war on drugs is law enforcement and they don't produce anything and it costs way too much trying to stop everyone from doing drugs, it's ludicrus to try
MrROTD 1 month ago
@MrROTD
Nope.... the kids benefit. I would totally be for legalizing drugs if everyone were suddenly mature thoughtful educated adults. Sorry, that's not reality, not that this kids matter to you as long as you get your fix...
See, Ron Paul doesn't care what happens to real people in the real world... he wants to get elected so panders to naive kids, older druggies, and well, whoever sees the world in simple terms. If you like fantasy, you probably love Ron Paul.
bobbyjwoodruff 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff I've seen kids get fucked up on Dust-Off and cough-medicine when they couldn't get their drug of choice. If an individual is hell bent on being self-destructive, whether they are 14 or 40, no amount of federal or state laws are going to change their path(short of throwing them in a straight jacket and padded room). I'm sorry but that "Drug enforcement laws protect kids" argument is just bullshit.
Eunuchification 1 month ago
@Eunuchification
I'm not talking about evil devil spawn... I'm talking normal everyday kids looking for answers.
bobbyjwoodruff 1 month ago
Yeah, he slammed his car into me as he was being chased by cops. 3 strikes and your out = desperate moves. Running/fighting cops over what is essentially a health issue, not a legal issue. Bigger prisons, higher taxes, cops behaving like military more and more every day. Lots of cops don't even agree with the prohibition.
LEAP is a group of law enforcement people who think it's wasting their time.
ApfelDerZwiet 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff a strong signal that needs to be sent is that not all drugs are the same. The countries with the least restrictive laws have some of the lowest abuse rates. They inform their kids, and their communities and respect individual rights. The war on drugs is a code word for CIA drug trafficking. Legal drugs cannot be grown but have been shown time and time again to be just as destructive. Thing is, selling an unpatented drug is bad for the establishment, so they need
mikejpete 1 month ago
@mikejpete
You said: "the war on drugs" is a code word for CIA drug trafficking. First of all, that isn't one word, or even close to one word. Let's do the math. Taking out the "the" I see three words, and last time I checked, three isn't one.
How could someone trying to impress another with their sound logic make a statement like this? My guess? Drugs.
"Legal drugs cannot be grown but have been shown..." SAY WHAT?
Want to tell us what drugs did this to you?
bobbyjwoodruff 1 month ago
her untimely death at 26. driving impaired is wrong, no matter what it is, & I have been guilty of such. just glad no-one was injured/killed because of my actions. I think ron paul is someone that may make a difference, but the media is a wicked tool used to sway voters into voting for the lesser of 2 evils. bear with me, I know this covers many topics. there were things reagen allowed to get the S.D.I. signed, which pissed me off, it had to do with immigration. he was my commander in chief.
Qballfph 1 month ago
@Qballfph It is no crime to harm yourself; however, if you harm yourself and put someone else's life or natural rights in danger then that could be considered a major crime with minimal jail time in a cage against your will or a monetary fine. Doing drugs and harming one's self without harming others is NOT a crime. That is called tyranny and being a control freak to want to control other people with the way you think they should live. This isn't East Berlin, it's America land of freedom.
residentzombie 1 month ago
40 years of drug war? you know it seems futile, especially if you keep moving it along by funding operations that lead to nothing, like this fast & furious crap... which i find treasonous. our love of freedom & alcohol brought prohibition to an end. it was silly to try & ban something man has done for centuries. even though i can't stand smoking pot, i think it should be legalized, taxed, & watch the deficit fall. my cousin died of cancer, smoking pot did give her some appetite & peace before...
Qballfph 1 month ago
Ron Balls LMAO
QuantumLeap365 2 months ago
The reason Ron Paul is constantly torn down - even by members of his own party - is because he has never sold out to anybody. Ever.
lethalweapon129 2 months ago
Man...if only 1988 Ron Paul was running for president today. He seems so much more lucid and speaks better here. I mean, I get that he's old now...but he's so honest and we NEED a president like him. It's just sad to me that he's finally getting the exposure he deserves so late in his life. Too many people write him off because he isn't that great at public speaking. But, his ideas are as sharp as ever. I'm a through and through liberal who sees Paul as the only viable option in 2012.
avedic 2 months ago
As odd as it seems, Ron Paul is about money.
He doesn't seem to care about freedom for anyone but Americans. He doesn't seem to care about children doing drugs. Ron Paul looks at just about everything through a prism of negativity. Instead of helping children, he'd rather hurt drug cartels. Instead of supporting freedom around the world, he'd rather save a buck for himself and his friends here at home.
If we only traded between Americans, America would be very poor indeed. Paul is clueless.
bobbyjwoodruff 2 months ago
@bobbyjwoodruff "supporting freedom around the world"? lol, are you 17 years old? did somebody crochet that convenient anecdote onto a pillow for you? things are not that simplistic.
seventhsun1982 2 months ago
@seventhsun1982
In 1775, there wasn't a single democracy on the face of the earth. Since then, half the world are democracies.
Sure, you think "hey, only a 17-year old would be dumb enough to think that had anything to do with the U.S. or its Constitution."
Or maybe you think "Adults, that is people who aren't young naive 17-year-olds anymore, understand that only Americans deserve freedom. If you think anyone else does, you're an idealistic simpleton."
You're the idiot.
bobbyjwoodruff 2 months ago
@bobbyjwoodruff heres freedom....we had to lie to bring it to u.....oops we killed a million of ur civilians....merry christmas team america!
stonergirl1605 2 months ago
@stonergirl1605
I understand people like you who hate America want Ron Paul. I get it already.
bobbyjwoodruff 2 months ago
@bobbyjwoodruff Actually, I think it is you who hates America. You care not for the principles of smaller gov't and freedom that were instrumental in the founding of this country. To you America is about preemptive war, preemptive detention with no trial, and two flavors of the same thing in mainstream democrat and republican ideology. So maybe we hate your misguided, sick view of what America is, but let's not mince words about who really hates AMERICA and AMERICAN PRINCIPLES here for it is you
StollandSon 2 months ago
@bobbyjwoodruff America is a republic, not a democracy.
StollandSon 2 months ago
@StollandSon
It is both. Describe to me how we elect our Congressmen. See, you can't answer because like a deer in headlights, you never really ever thought about it for yourself. Time to learn to think. Come on... you can do it.
bobbyjwoodruff 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff Bobby, your statement, as usual, is full of hyperbolic BS. You bet, we elect our congressman. Do you and I get to vote on the laws they pass? Do we? Nope? Hmmm, that's becuase it is a republic and not a democracy. Why don't you get your head out of whatever mainsteam republicans lap it's in, and try to STFU and learn yourself, you egotistical, brainless fool. Come on, you can do it, you cocky piece of shit.
StollandSon 1 month ago
@StollandSon
You are very funny. By your definition, democracy doesn't exist on earth anywhere today! Naturally I expect this sort of nonsense from people in support of legalizing drugs... logic not being something they often dabble in...
bobbyjwoodruff 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff I think what he is trying to tell you is that the US is not a direct democracy, rather it is a representative democracy, broadly referred to as a republic, republican democracy. Not to be confused with the platform or ideology of today's republican party.
shreddez 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff Yes all the trade we do with the Chinese is doing us wonders.
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UngratefulLiving420 1 month ago
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UngratefulLiving420 1 month ago
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@bobbyjwoodruff Lmao yes the CIA bringing cocaine into the country really helps our children... Imagine if half the money we spend detaining and trying drug users went towards educating the youth on the facts about drug abuse. And I'm not talking about some corny ass anti-pot smoking ad, I'm talking about actual data and statistics backed up by research and studies. We waste hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars on a strategy that perpetuates the drug problem, rather than trying to fix it.
UngratefulLiving420 1 month ago
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"So when people flat out deny that kids don't, I think they're pushing an agenda and throwing common sense out the window." So again you think anything who flat out disagree's with YOU is "throwing common sense out the window" "The argument should be whether removing the illegal drug trade is worth sacrificing a few kids [to drugs] toward that goal." Not really..... since one of the arguments is the laws are making it worse for kids. You've just shown how little you know. Educate yourself.
MyJibJib 2 months ago
(con)...kids don't break the law. Current statistics and common knowledge shows, that illegal drugs are easier for teenagers to get then Alcohol. If you deny this, then you really don't know anything. Because the drugs are easier to get, more teenagers use drugs than alcohol. If the law worked as a proper guide.... more would be drinking alcohol then doing drugs. Something for you to think about. (con)
MyJibJib 2 months ago
Just so you all know, MyJibJib is lying when he tries to convince people that the most commonly used drug among American youth isn't alcohol, it is.
Look it up. Yup. MyJibJib is a liar.
Now why would a person lie about this, and in such a big way? Perhaps because MyJibJib's agenda is to have drugs legalized so he can obtain them more easily? You bet that's the reason.
bobbyjwoodruff 2 months ago
@bobbyjwoodruff he said easiest to get, not most used. For example underage kids can more easily buy marijuana. It's also more potent than it was during the 60's because of the illegality, which makes it even more dangerous. Legalize it and regulate it like alcohol.
mikejpete 2 months ago
@mikejpete
Ah... then you both admit that alcohol is most used. And I contend it is EXACTLY because alcohol is legal, pot is not, and if you legalize pot, its use will INCREASE amongst children. Without meaning to, you've pretty much nuanced yourselves into admitting my main point, that legalizing pot will increase its use among children, which nobody but nobody wants to have happen.
bobbyjwoodruff 2 months ago
@bobbyjwoodruff my focus is more on the strength and danger. The longer it is illegal, the less it can be regulated, the more potent and dangerous it becomes, while having easier access. It's a vicious cycle. Alcohol was also more dangerous during prohibition. It's a vicious cycle of the state trying to regulate the personal nonviolent habits of people in general. Let parents be given the responsibility, not adults, not free individuals.
mikejpete 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff furthermore, by legalizing it you tare apart the cartels at the seams. The most conservative administrations while they waged their war on drugs, imported huge amounts of cocaine from the poppy fields owned by them in Afganistan and South America. The Iran Contra scandal included, along with the Bush Senior administration, probably going back to the introduction of Raeganomics. You eliminate the source of the division, eliminate the taboo, you eliminate the danger, and in doing
mikejpete 1 month ago
@mikejpete
You came in very late to the discussion, and haven't a clue what my position is. You should bow out instead of playing the troll. If you seriously want into the discussion, read all my arguments about the law and children... repeat back to me my argument and we'll debate... 'til then, you are just wasting space.
bobbyjwoodruff 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff so the reactionary nature in citizens who feel there is a force to fight or this elusive "man" or "machine" that oppresses them. Foreigners go to Amsterdam, because it's legal. Natives to that place do not indulge in much Marijuana at all.
mikejpete 1 month ago
@bobbyjwoodruff Haha... Who said anything about America? Typical, narrow minded American thinking America is the world. Statistics of drugs.... even in america show roughly the same amount as using drugs as alcohol in america..... alcohol being the harder one to get though. I am not American and don't live there so your argument for me wanting to legalise drugs there for my own pleasure is void. And to make drugs easier to get? How much easier can it really get?
MyJibJib 2 months ago
@MyJibJib
And you are not helping with the drug discussion either. Short memory? You don't remember my argument either? Doesn't seem like it since you aren't addressing it at all.
bobbyjwoodruff 1 month ago