Can you show exactly where the prophecies of Daniel, Ezekiel, Matthew or Revelation have been fully fufilled in history? If you cant I would think the idea of preterism to be debunked.... Not out to argue here, just asking a question to try to understand your perspective.
@ApostolicOutpost I gave you a great video link,did you watch it?..I could explain what you ask but that video does so much more than I can do and they make it fun to watch..
Jesus was NOT a preterist! He could not have been since He did not believe or teach that His coming was a past event but a future one. Preterism is a term that relates to the second coming of Christ.
The first preterist must have been alive post AD 70 by definition.
I, however, am a preterist because Scripture clearly teaches that Jesus has come and fulfilled ALL prophecy! AMEN
I think you missed my point coper,I know Jesus was not a preterist,but he personally fulfilled many of the scriptures.Preterist believe in "past" fulfillment..and in the video I mentioned where scripture was from the OT and personally fulfilled by Jesus..so in other words..Jesus believed in past fulfillment of scripture..thanks for watching
Brilliant. But try and tell your friends and neighbors, they are just like the Jews in the New Testament, hard-headed and stiff-necked and dead set on their father's father's father's religion. They simply refuse the truth. "...he (Jesus) was wrong. He clearly knew no more about the end of the world than anyone else. It is certainly the most embarassing verse in the Bible." Beloved Christian author C.S. Lewis commenting on Matt 24:33-34. If only he had known about preterism...
Your video was a welcome break from the endoftheworldrapturejesusiscomingsoon nonsense on Youtube. I read Samuel G. Dawson's "The teaching of Jesus" and I must say it was the most sensible interpretation of the NT that I have ever read. Although I remain open minded, for now I consider myself a SCUP (Skeptical Christian Universalist Preterist)
I also believe that Daniel´s 70th week began when Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist...just a thought...God anointed the Holy One in the 70th week...
so are you saying that no events described in the Bible are talking about the twentieth century? that every single thing is meant to be viewed as past tense. it certainly has no problem covering long periods of time or talking about two things at the same time, why would it stop at a certain point? kind of a depressing thought.
huh? i read the old testament what way? i'm asking you a question. i am very far from a biblical scholar. i interpret it myself the best i can using the limited historical knowledge i have. context is important and if something's not clear you usually just need to read the preceding passages, or wait for it to be repeated, but i think the intended audience is a large group of people spread over the earth over a vast period of time. know what i mean? the same yeterday, today, and tomorrow.
You read the OT knowing it is History right?..that is what I meant.We have no problem understanding the OT as History.The NT is the same,Paul did not sit down 2000 yrs ago and wrote to a church in 2010..He had original audiences and the epistles tell us to whom exactly He was writing too..for example..Romans..Rom 1:7..to all that be in ROME..called to be saints...Paul was writing to them and we can read what He said to them,we can still today apply some of the teaching to our life today.
ok yes, the old testament is an excellent source of historical info, but it's more than ancient history. i think specific portions all throughout are directed to and about specific groups, which i agree is important, and it's usually stated somewhere in the text or the title. who and when it was written is helpful. but it's not all written to those ancient people. God sent his word with the intention it would be spread around the world across time, some of those stories had multiple purposes
i can instantly and easily hear from God by reading the book, because it wasn't only written to a long dead audience. on one level i am one of those recipients of Paul's letter. i know that contextually he is talking to a specific church which explains some of what he is saying, but it's living and able to directly reach out to me in this century, since God is the author and can see into the future. he planned for that and is able to do that without contradiction. his prophecy is reliable.
sorry for going on and on, but just tell me if you think this is right or wrong: Paul wasn't the only author and 1st century Romans/Thessalonians etc. weren't the only target audience. God is the actual author, through Paul. he directly addresses those contemporaries while the intended target audience is all of God's children. i'm sure there are some literary terms for what i'm trying to say.
Of course Paul was not the only author,and yes God inspired him what to write to particular churches within that 1st century time frame.We are reading what God inspired the writers to say to those original audiences that was alive in their day. Would you like an example?
1 cor 15:1-6..please read and tell me exactly WHERE are those are saw Christ arise and are with us to THIS DAY?
i haven't looked at the example yet, but that's what i'm saying, that we are the intended audience. they were the recipients of the letter and the original or initial audience, and he is also speaking to us as part of the intended audience. i don't think it's that complicated a concept for us to disemminate. i do this all the time when i give my children commands or instructions that also apply to their friends who are present. even children get it. this time gap is insignificant to God.
i don't know how you can think that God's word wasn't written to you. i agree that everything there needs to be read in the proper context, and it usually isn't. who is being addressed is extremely important. but this is what i have i problem with because i think he is writing to us and this was all planned out. i'll address your scripture in a pm, kay.
Web..Jesus never promised a rapture or a physical appearance to and for a audience 2000 yrs later..I keep an open mind and consider all scripture,perhaps you have one that says different?
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Tarzanboy42763 10 months ago
@Tarzanboy42763 THANK YOU Tarzan!
OnlyTheScriptures 10 months ago
Can you show exactly where the prophecies of Daniel, Ezekiel, Matthew or Revelation have been fully fufilled in history? If you cant I would think the idea of preterism to be debunked.... Not out to argue here, just asking a question to try to understand your perspective.
ApostolicOutpost 1 year ago
@ApostolicOutpost I gave you a great video link,did you watch it?..I could explain what you ask but that video does so much more than I can do and they make it fun to watch..
OnlyTheScriptures 1 year ago
good job bro, paul was a preterist too. in fact all the NT writers were teaching this immenent return back then. not now. amen bro. wayne
turtletype 1 year ago
Jesus was NOT a preterist! He could not have been since He did not believe or teach that His coming was a past event but a future one. Preterism is a term that relates to the second coming of Christ.
The first preterist must have been alive post AD 70 by definition.
I, however, am a preterist because Scripture clearly teaches that Jesus has come and fulfilled ALL prophecy! AMEN
coper11 2 years ago
I think you missed my point coper,I know Jesus was not a preterist,but he personally fulfilled many of the scriptures.Preterist believe in "past" fulfillment..and in the video I mentioned where scripture was from the OT and personally fulfilled by Jesus..so in other words..Jesus believed in past fulfillment of scripture..thanks for watching
OnlyTheScriptures 2 years ago
ty brother..
OnlyTheScriptures 2 years ago
Sola & Tota Scriptura, brother. I'm with you my preterist, brother. Jesus, yes, was a preterist.
apolojedi2 2 years ago
Brilliant. But try and tell your friends and neighbors, they are just like the Jews in the New Testament, hard-headed and stiff-necked and dead set on their father's father's father's religion. They simply refuse the truth. "...he (Jesus) was wrong. He clearly knew no more about the end of the world than anyone else. It is certainly the most embarassing verse in the Bible." Beloved Christian author C.S. Lewis commenting on Matt 24:33-34. If only he had known about preterism...
mle37 2 years ago
Your video was a welcome break from the endoftheworldrapturejesusiscomingsoon nonsense on Youtube. I read Samuel G. Dawson's "The teaching of Jesus" and I must say it was the most sensible interpretation of the NT that I have ever read. Although I remain open minded, for now I consider myself a SCUP (Skeptical Christian Universalist Preterist)
averagebear1 2 years ago
LOL..well thank you very much bear! I appreciate it and I am glad you enjoyed it.
OnlyTheScriptures 2 years ago
I also believe that Daniel´s 70th week began when Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist...just a thought...God anointed the Holy One in the 70th week...
alexander76rw 2 years ago
I concur with your assessment :)
OnlyTheScriptures 2 years ago
Thanks for your diligence.GBY
preteristaynrand 2 years ago
FP here :)
mooglecharmed 2 years ago
Like wise :)
OnlyTheScriptures 2 years ago
Amen fulfilled 21 centuries ago!
marklowe1968 2 years ago
so are you saying that no events described in the Bible are talking about the twentieth century? that every single thing is meant to be viewed as past tense. it certainly has no problem covering long periods of time or talking about two things at the same time, why would it stop at a certain point? kind of a depressing thought.
weberly2 2 years ago
You read the Old Testament this way and have no problems with it :)
OnlyTheScriptures 2 years ago
huh? i read the old testament what way? i'm asking you a question. i am very far from a biblical scholar. i interpret it myself the best i can using the limited historical knowledge i have. context is important and if something's not clear you usually just need to read the preceding passages, or wait for it to be repeated, but i think the intended audience is a large group of people spread over the earth over a vast period of time. know what i mean? the same yeterday, today, and tomorrow.
weberly2 2 years ago
You read the OT knowing it is History right?..that is what I meant.We have no problem understanding the OT as History.The NT is the same,Paul did not sit down 2000 yrs ago and wrote to a church in 2010..He had original audiences and the epistles tell us to whom exactly He was writing too..for example..Romans..Rom 1:7..to all that be in ROME..called to be saints...Paul was writing to them and we can read what He said to them,we can still today apply some of the teaching to our life today.
OnlyTheScriptures 2 years ago
ok yes, the old testament is an excellent source of historical info, but it's more than ancient history. i think specific portions all throughout are directed to and about specific groups, which i agree is important, and it's usually stated somewhere in the text or the title. who and when it was written is helpful. but it's not all written to those ancient people. God sent his word with the intention it would be spread around the world across time, some of those stories had multiple purposes
weberly2 2 years ago
i can instantly and easily hear from God by reading the book, because it wasn't only written to a long dead audience. on one level i am one of those recipients of Paul's letter. i know that contextually he is talking to a specific church which explains some of what he is saying, but it's living and able to directly reach out to me in this century, since God is the author and can see into the future. he planned for that and is able to do that without contradiction. his prophecy is reliable.
weberly2 2 years ago
sorry for going on and on, but just tell me if you think this is right or wrong: Paul wasn't the only author and 1st century Romans/Thessalonians etc. weren't the only target audience. God is the actual author, through Paul. he directly addresses those contemporaries while the intended target audience is all of God's children. i'm sure there are some literary terms for what i'm trying to say.
weberly2 2 years ago
Of course Paul was not the only author,and yes God inspired him what to write to particular churches within that 1st century time frame.We are reading what God inspired the writers to say to those original audiences that was alive in their day. Would you like an example?
1 cor 15:1-6..please read and tell me exactly WHERE are those are saw Christ arise and are with us to THIS DAY?
OnlyTheScriptures 2 years ago
i haven't looked at the example yet, but that's what i'm saying, that we are the intended audience. they were the recipients of the letter and the original or initial audience, and he is also speaking to us as part of the intended audience. i don't think it's that complicated a concept for us to disemminate. i do this all the time when i give my children commands or instructions that also apply to their friends who are present. even children get it. this time gap is insignificant to God.
weberly2 2 years ago
Please do not take me wrong,scripture is FOR us but I do not believe it was written TO us..
OnlyTheScriptures 2 years ago
i don't know how you can think that God's word wasn't written to you. i agree that everything there needs to be read in the proper context, and it usually isn't. who is being addressed is extremely important. but this is what i have i problem with because i think he is writing to us and this was all planned out. i'll address your scripture in a pm, kay.
weberly2 2 years ago
Because I look at scripture through the lens of a 1st century audience and not a 21st century :)
OnlyTheScriptures 2 years ago
okay, but don't miss the forest for the trees :)
weberly2 2 years ago
Web..Jesus never promised a rapture or a physical appearance to and for a audience 2000 yrs later..I keep an open mind and consider all scripture,perhaps you have one that says different?
OnlyTheScriptures 2 years ago
Thank you for reading it from the Bible, sir. More hopeful than a lot of messages I've seen. Thank you very much for posting it.
Silam81 2 years ago
I am a PROUD preterist! whitney........
MikeGram101 3 years ago
Thanks for the video!
Bibletouchstone 3 years ago
Keep it up Brother....
Revelationist1948 3 years ago