Force field AI. 20 sentries vs 1000 speedlings on a flat area

[AxzenStarcraft]

The zerglings use Just go F***ING KILL HIM! It's SUPER EFFECTIVE! =D

[HuskyZealot]

Not even close to a scratch.

[villajonathan0]

What game is this?

[MASTURCHEEF001]

@villajonathan0 ... Starcraft 2.

[Salvzor1]

Zerglings goes FUUUUUU XD

[awdadwadawffasasda]

disco

[1219nan]

How about 1000 high temp vs any light unit?

[wheatbix32]

chuck norris force fields

[Shtokirib]

@Moriada How do you place the forcefields so fast and so accurately?

[ajl36117]

@Shtokirib its a bot

[MightyLemur]

@Shtokirib The whole point of this video is him showing off the AI he made.

[Blazing1Productions2]

GO MY TICKLE LASERS, KILL 250% OF THE AMOUNT OF ZERGLINGS IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE!!!!

[fgsz291]

Sentries OP :O

[luisonpills]

A wild ultralisk appears!

[Punisher4bmw]

pity the sentry does so little damage it would take ages to kill all those zerglings

[Grooviebones]

nothing too unusual here, just standard diamond vs. standard bronze level micro.

[Warofworld91]

Ry good demonstration of what AI is capable to do. I'm glad, the current AI dont do this and so we can win against them. Thumbs up

[TheDoggedWonder]

@Warofworld91

Well, this would be pretty easy to win against. Once the FFs go up just head to their base and fucking kill them. They're stuck in there until the FFs run out.

[Warofworld91]

@TheDoggedWonder thats right. But the main thing of this is, that AI can use all spells in the best way. So it can happen to you with infestors etc. And thats not good :D

[DontMessWithEmin3m]

show the number of kills each sentry has!

[MrSamuelspark]

Bad computer :/

[thangal3]

@MrSamuelspark almost any computer would lag when there are 1000 zerglings >.>

[MrSamuelspark]

@thangal3 Not really. On Medium 1080p Desert Strike final battle, I get 30 fps. My computer is a custom built that I made with $600.

[PROTLxONgame]

@MrSamuelspark turn the recorder on and 30 fps is long gone

[MrSamuelspark]

@PROTLxONgame Nope. I have another hard drive that I record my fraps footage to. Eliminates all lag caused by FRAPS.

[XxNiftyxX]

FOR SPARRRRRRRRRRTTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA­AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA­AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

[canadiancanable]

or you could hallucinate 10 colossus and scare the zerg into running away...

[1911Azrael]

you technically only needed 12 sentries, since there's 4 FFs, and you need 3 to keep one up forever.

[blademaniac]

suddenly...1 ultralisk

[SirDeltis]

just a thought, you could speed it up...

[TheTCKreen]

where's the final nuke.. >_<

[2Great4Me]

SENTRIES ARE RAAAaAaAaAAAAGIN!!! 7:35

[DistortionWave]

And then one Fungal Groth and the Shit happens ;).

[Kitxunei]

That's pretty cool, good work.

[HGDfan]

They would die. the second one of those shields goes down they are screwed cause you can't use the ability on top of units.

[TheWyhx]

So much for the 99 %...

[EmoAznProductions]

TICKLE CANNONS UNITE

[N00byEdge]

This proves t is imba.

[FiloJacobbb]

@N00byEdge ohyep, cos you're going to only have speedlings, lol mate, stfu

[baggerbags]

A wild infestor appears...

Infestor uses Fungal Growth!

It's super effective!

[aphroVG]

It looks like a rave



[avnoscopev]

they handled that good now make them do it with one ..

[xRaven93]

No, a wild Brood Lord appears!

[KingdomMay]

this proves terran are op

[bananian]

sustainable forcefield economy.

[Moriada]

@bananian The zerglings are the 99%

[IMadLarkin]

Pretty sick.

[DrHavoc1]

ZvP in a nutshell.

[zqmbfg]

an then an archon appears

[TheKingdomofErnor]

Why don't they go down to 3 FFs? 3 works, lol.

[Moriada]

@TheKingdomofErnor I answered that in the description. Basically, it sometimes bugged out and made them slide through the force fields. I tried to fix it but didn't want to waste too much time on it.

[TheKingdomofErnor]

@Moriada Oh, sorry.

[JONmanIStheBEST]

imagine just 8 mutas...

[daqfanq]

a wild tank appears. lol wild tank...

[gutripper1234567890]

ultralisk comes in: I need a HUG! D= no.. nooo. NO NOO NOOOOO!O bam

[demonkain666]

and then there was a baneling drop

[atomisten]

there was only 998 zerglings...video sux

[TheEliteSheep]

Pro micro

[ravel111]

Losing that many units during the first battle was unnecessary. The first force field line was great, but you should've used hallucinations afterwards to diverge damage away from your units. A few hallucinated zealots/stalkers could've saved all those sentries that perished trying to attack the army.

[AcidBugler]

lol @ idiots that always say this scenario wouldnt happen because blah blah... well no shit -_-

[TheFoxyNL]

19 sentry's?



[Moriada]

@TheFoxyNL Oh, I see what you mean. I had some problems in the middle of the video so I cut together two different videos in the middle. As you can see, there are 20 in the beginning but in the end there are only 19. I don't know why there was only 19 in the second version though. Maybe it got swallowed by a force field...

[callofdutyplayer4]

SENTRY OP

[wollibuster]

standard pvz bros

[ITSREIGNING]

and then 3 ultralisks unburrowed.

[thebibleisright]

The main problem is here is that nobody in their right mind would constantly try to run zerglings to their death while waiting for the force field to wear off... mostly likely scenario would be that the zerglings would retreat and wait for a better opportunity to attack when the sentries are out of position.

[strt1111]

fake!  there's 10 stalkers 20 sentries and 999 speedlings.

[shootingmen]

unlimited energy?

[Moriada]

@shootingmen No, but they regenerate energy faster than they use it up so in that sense, it's unlimited, but there's no cheat involved. These are the normal unmodified sentries.

[HellHound233]

@shootingmen its because he has enough sentries so when the force fields break a diff sentry uses the spell

[YamatoStarcraft]

and there is 1 ultra

[pepsioverall]

Ticka-tickle Ticka-tickle

also, any smart zerg would just come and fight another day, or just back door the B@&!$

[guitarnublet]

@pepsioverall

Must be a pretty good player, to have 1000 lings with a pop cap of 200.

[Krischase87]

@guitarnublet well actually you get 400 lings if thats all you make

[Trubckin]

nice to know im not the only one playing sc2 on a shit computer lol

[sciencemon]

zerglings are being tickled to death by the tickle beam :D

[jimbobanalbeats]

Imagine being one of those sentries. They were shitting themselves.

[WxIxZeguy2]

And even if they dont wanna make the AI for /we reason, they could use a quick deply system Like click and drag a line and have a group oif sentries place fields along that line.

At the very least it's make it easier.

[OsthatoCat]

Since it takes 4 sentries to continuously produce 1 forcefield, about 16 sentries should be able to destroy any number of melee units, right?

[magixtwister]

@OsthatoCat of course getting 16 into that area would require more than 4

[Moriada]

@magixtwister Yes, the initial cost is more than 4 force fields but then the drain will just be 4 force fields. So 16 sentries with full energy should be able to kill an infinite amount of non-massive melee units.

[MrHav1k]

You sure this was the AI and not Bisu or Stork? lol 

[umbrellaBuddha]

only thing this video proves is that zerglings are melee units and cant attack through forcfields...

A lot of things in SC2 would be overpowered if you use scripts to exploit them

[rorcon]

@umbrellaBuddha are you stupid or can you not read the video description or the top comment?

[AEgamesFtw]

@umbrellaBuddha name one other thing

[DustTheseNugz]

damn imagine how scary it would be to be one of those sentries... o wait no it wouldnt

[Reed160]

a wild roach appears......

[AEgamesFtw]

@Reed160 Roach are outranged by sentries, the sentries would still win with good force fields without losing one.

[Reed160]

@AEgamesFtw it was a joke nerd, learn to laugh....

[AEgamesFtw]

@Reed160 It didn't make any sense, idiot.

[QWquincyWQ]

@AEgamesFtw

unless the forcefield is bigger than the roaches range, this is not true, since the forcefield does not stop the roaches from getting close enough to attack.

sentry range > roach range > forcefield diameter

[ravel111]

@QWquincyWQ What you do is force field bubble the roaches, not the sentries. That way the roaches have zero mobility, then you just simply back the sentries up until you outrange the roaches and zap away. This will only work if the zerg does not have burrow movement.

[Moriada]

@ravel111 Actually, I worked on something like this and got it working pretty good. It also abused the splash damage of the colossi to kill a ton of roaches really fast.

I could've used hallucinations for a better outcome but the video was meant to demonstrate force field micro.

[Warkima]

@Reed160 A wild tank appears.....

[Toastersrcoolio]

@MineRescuer but only if used correctly

[endmaster55]

awesome

[Joeses15]

lol i search for boobs and dis come... dis not so good even for.

[villanelo1987]

... and that way, the lag attack started at 1:35...

[Savci008]

Decently? You wasted 6 forcefields and disallowed yourself to flee.

Kekeke?

[Moriada]

@Savci008 When did it waste force fields? The energy will regenerate faster than the sentries use it so it's not like it matters.

Also, what would you've done? Are you seriously implying that if you were in that situation you would've tried to flee with sentries against speedlings?

[Savci008]

@Moriada No, all I'm saying is that in a real situation, the way they threw the forcefields up - even prematurely - wouldn't be quite as effective as it was this time. Sure, if you could get this many sentries you could afford that, although I don't think it'd be that efficient, as you still immobilize your whole sentry army. You didn't present whether you trap the lings when they try to flee or not either, so I can't really form a just opinion.

[Kawagata]

@Savci008 because sentries can outrun speedlings right?? ke ke ke ke ke.

[Savci008]

@Kawagata You obviously have little experience and knowledge in sentry control or general ZvP/PvZ. No matter, you can experiment, if you wish to know what I mean.

[Moriada]

@Savci008 I am honestly interested. What would've been the optimal thing for it to do? Obviously surrounding themselves with force fields is a bad idea, what should they have done? Sure, I could've had a smaller interval when the force fields overlapped and I could've made them throw up the force fields 0.5 seconds later but that is just nitpicking.

[Savci008]

@Moriada Don't forget that I'm not picking on you, I have rarely used the SC2 editor (at all, compared to War3) so I just speak gameplay-wise - ladder/standard melee gameplay-wise, mind you. We might just have a misunderstanding.

To put it short, the moment the zerglings get in close range you throw down forcefields even at the side where they are not coming from. I just don't see it as neccessary, since the zerg could pull back.

[Savci008]

@Moriada And of course, if you pin yourself in place with forcefields, the zerglings can just counter attack.

Assuming you've written/planned to make the AI trap the zerglings when they try to retreat, the inner ("first") forcefields, at times, are probably not required at all. (I also suppose you did make or plan to make the AI consider whether to throw down FFs or not by checking the ling count).

[Savci008]

@Moriada For one, delaying the forcefields would have also had the effect of allowing you to trap zerglings more easily.

That doesn't really matter, I just don't think this AI approach would work well.

Players/AIs can't use pure sentry armies and use zealots+stalkers in almost all cases - that can make forcefields unneccessary or even hurtful to your current engagement's success, as well as the later ones in case zerg retreats and runs by to attack something vulnerable.

[Moriada]

@Savci008 You bring up a good point, however it's hard for me to write AI that considers and acts upon the rest of the game that is outside the engagement since there's no AI for anything else than the micro in this fight(I hope that makes sense).

There's no AI to trap the zerglings although it could easily be implemented. Delaying the force field surround until they get closer would also be easy.

(Stupid comment limit)

[Savci008]

@Moriada Eheh. :)

Yes, I see.

I guess I should have used the reply function myself, since I meant to argue for FF AI being indeed hard to implement. There's a comment of yours about that.

I do agree that a so-so forcefield AI is better than almost none.

[Kawagata]

@Savci008 ai... you do realize there's only sentries in this simulation right?? And this isn't an actual skirmish?? Pure sentries will never outrun speedlings. I'm sure this video was to simulate how fast the ratio between energy cost for X # force fields per force field duration and energy regen of Y # of sentries can be easily exploited. Not for douchebags to boast how long their e-penors are. Hur hur you obviously have little experience on reading in context. If you wish to what i mean ...

[Savci008]

@Kawagata I don't wish to argue. The only reason I commented was him mentioning this AI being an experiment at standard melee forcefield AI in one of his comments.

Chill!

[Moriada]

@Savci008 Still, I think I have to clarify about when it actually uses the surround. First of all, it automatically decides if it should surround or split or do nothing. If it surrounds or not is decided on several factors. First of all the amount of melee units in the attacking army divided by the amount of melee units in its own army. This quotient needs to be bigger than a specific amount(I think I used 5 in this example).

(Stupid comment limit)

[Moriada]

@Savci008 The amount of melee units in the opponent army also has to be over a specific amount. Not to mention there has to be enough sentry energy to actually do a surround.

This works pretty good even with army compositions that are not pure sentry(which of course is not a realistic simulation). If we assume the AI that uses this actually manages the army properly by having zealots in front, the AI will only try to surround ranged units so melee units will rarely get trapped.

[danpt2000]

how do u get 4,5 forcefields up at one time? Just fast APM?

[Horaxlfa]

Awesome script, well done!

[DonianLP]

FAKE FORCE FIELDS DOESNT EXIST

[xxigenrulezxx]

How many can they kill before running out of energy completely?

[Moriada]

@xxigenrulezxx If I remember correctly, you can kill an infinite amount of zerglings like this if you have 16+ sentries since they regenerate faster than they use their energy. This is the case in this video.

[tricane]

When he wrote "I'm still waiting for a comeback from the zerg" I was so hoping to see an ultralisk running through the forcefields and killing them all. I was so sad at the end the sentries had won :(

[CkFeeful]

FF for win

[OriginalAJER]

So? What about that hydra tech he made in the background?

[KlineStife]

this proves terran is op

[AdamGomez87]

Ultralisk pwn much better :)

[DarenHD]

Holy shit you've have a fucking shitty PC

[Moriada]

@DarenHD Rather, I had a less than decent PC. A combination of bad rendering settings and bad computer performance caused this quality. Trust me though, my current computer is top notch.

[proskater63]

@Moriada if its top notch ud be able to max

[Moriada]

@proskater63 Re-read my comment. I had a less than decent PC with bad performance when I made this video but my CURRENT computer is good enough to max out any game I've tried without lag.

[x20mega]

@DarenHD dude he have fuckin 1020 units on the screen. Wtf do you want him to do? use 2000 bucks to buy a custom pc?

[DarenHD]

@x20mega He still lags even though there was only like fucking 200 units on the screen, and they're just zerglings running around, its not like it was 200 carriers or some shit

[Sonar009]

Like a boss.

[Lucky466]

i hate faggot suckups that rate up everything the host says even if its nothing. "Yes, that's correct." +2

Wtf?

[Moriada]

@Lucky466 Well, it's not my fault really. As long as people don't up comments of people that are wrong, It's okay.

I do agree with you on some level though, up-voting "Yes, that's correct." is kind of pointless.

[DiLLyDaLLyHo]

@Moriada

You're agreeing and saying he is correct. For that I will upvote you. :)

[GoombaDaddy]

@Lucky466 ..... you need some real stuff to bitch about

[Lucky466]

@GoombaDaddy Yeah, i guess my life is pretty good.. i dont have as much stuff to complain about in my life as you would.... :)

[JAFrk]

@Lucky466 how is that something worth complaining about? Is your dick so small that you actually care about that shit?

[Lucky466]

@JAFrk Lol dumbass. So your logic = having a small dick causes you to complain about.... youtube comments? Dude ur such a fail ur just throwing in insults when they dont make sense.

Plus, judging that you werent able to understand the basic intent/meaning behind my last comment confirms that you are an idiot, and im not gonna bother explaining myself to u. hell, you probably couldnt even understand that last sentence xD

PS: Upping everything the host says no matter what won't make u cool :)

[joshyoutubing]

force field op =O

[flamespartan117]

forcefield is broken and stupid

[Olewastaken]

Wow, reading most of these comments literally hurt my brain. Did you even bother to read the description?

He is showcasing a god damn script. To everyone that has been discussing balance here, please break your keyboards in half and unplug your ethernet cables.

[MineRescuer]

so it's AI doing those force fields? I mean you wrote the program for it?

[Moriada]

@MineRescuer Yes, that's correct.

[XReflection]

That's pretty incredible that you made AI do that.

[Isundir]

For your next video lets see 1 voidray vs 5000000000 roaches, will show how OP that voidray is for sure!

[Moriada]

@Isundir Since people are obviously missing the point of this, I'll clarify.

The point of this video is NOT to prove a point in a balance discussion. The point is not to prove that the sentry/force field is overpowered.

It was developed in response to a thread on teamliquid that asked why the AI didn't use force fields. The responses varied from: "It's impossible" to "Wouldn't it be quite easy?"

I think it would be quite easy to make the AI use force fields decently. So I made this.

[Wtbrandom1]

@Moriada I think the reason why blizzard didn't make the AI use FF's is because they would too good and accurate.

[peanut37609]

@Isundir deff wanna see

[latinos986]

@Isundir hemm.... that would be a looooong video

[MegaDani005]

@Isundir yeah if roaches could attack air xD

[Isundir]

Obviously this is a pretty pointless demonstration as there is no application for this in a real game.

[Moriada]

@Isundir I also disagree with your statement that it's pointless. Everything related to Starcraft 2 does not have to have an application in a real game.

I think this video was a decent demonstration of the thing it was supposed to demonstrate. I just think you misunderstood WHAT it was supposed to demonstrate.

[Mydtys]

@Moriada what if you just let those fuck heads talk.... obviously we can see what you meant to show us in this video, they are just mad and jelly..

[Karionfabe1]

Shhhhh. dont show this to idrA

[Naito92]

everything is going good till.... wild baneling drop appears

[m4st3rsk44p]

in the first fight you should have thrown in some hallucinations. It would have proven protoss opness even more

[majorbeaver]

1:50 Trying Closing Starcraft to improve performance.

[Moriada]

@majorbeaver Your point being?

I am looking at 1000 zerglings moving around while the AI script runs and my computer at that time was mediocre at best. Of course the performance wasn't the best.

[suomikarpo]

"Hey guys, here's a video of me a-moving a 3200 min 2500 gas army against a non stim less minerals and 400 gas army." What use is this video to anyone?

[Moriada]

@suomikarpo First of all, I'm not a-moving. I am not controlling it at all. I am trying to understand if you're deliberately being stupid or if you just failed to understand the concept of A.I.

The computer automatically attacks and determines if and where it would be good to force field. It also determines if it should split the opponent force or try to surround itself in force fields to protect from melee attackers.

[terrdeath]

you got sc1 graphics on your computer?



[zephon13]

Forcefield OP. That's the only thing I got out of this video.

[FishTurd69]

@zephon13 true true

[Dhalphir]

I like the proof of concept although I don't think it was really necessary to show such a long fight against 100 zerglings, 100 would have proved your point well enough.