Why are you arguing on YouTube. It is just plain foolish. You will never understand the south. You can argue against Robert E. Lee but you are stupid to speak bad about Churchill. He said that comment in the 1946 btw.
@CPenn5 I briefly glanced at your "channel." Conclusion: you impeach your own credibility and thus merit no response from me ("rasist"?) At least my previous interlocutor was semi-literate and occasionally worthy of a response.
...and we do not drink Southern Comfort. I am sitting here with two of my dearest friends, both attorneys and graduates of Vanderbilt, enjoying 18 year old Scotch. One of our hobbies is hunting for idiots and pulling their chains. Your Honor - we rest our case!
@bcartner Are you certain about that? I think that if you rested on the evidence adduced thus far, you would be begging for a malpractice suit and perhaps even a slap-on-the-wrist letter from "The Board." Reading your latest screed, a tableau vivant forms in my mind: a trio of aging or aged "roaring boys," what Disraeli might call "exhausted volcanoes," swilling overpriced whiskey and belting out off-key renditions of "The Bonny Blue Flag." It's akin to being trapped in a surreal "time warp."
@bcartner Funny. When these "Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" things materialize hereon and I improbably receive notice of them, I can't resist mixing it up with the odd admixture of crazies, illiterates, neo-Nazis, skinheads, Klansmen, nostalgia freaks, "Get Your Heart in Dixie or Get Your Ass Out" peckerwoods, and, lest I forget, superannuated, southern-fried ex-frat rats who mourn the "good old days of our glawruss region," a time when "them people knew their place and called us Bawss." Bye.
Let us take a look at the "shameful" comments of Lincoln: "If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that." Lincoln was simply a puppet of the prevailing corporate interests of his day, and his comments lend sufficient evidence to his racism. This glorious hero also contracted syphilis and gave it to his wife. Shame!!!!
@bcartner That was how Lincoln evaluated the exigencies facing him shortly after he took office. Of course, all of that officially changed after Antietam. The real purpose of "The Proclamation" that followed was to reformulate the true aim of the conflict, viz., the eradication of Dixie's cherished "pee-culiar institution" and the state laws and political structure which undergirded the whole rotten edifice. Small wonder that Marx dubbed Lincoln "this noble son of the proletariat."
Mr/Mrs./Miss Shaneu, I noticed that you were educated at Tulane and the University of Tennessee. I do appreciate the fact that you recognize our superior educational systems in the South. It seems that you truly have a habit of biting the hand that educates you. It is apparent to me that you would have also shot Washington, Greene and Gates since they rebelled against "their government." You seem to be a very angry person; maybe an anger management program and possibly an AA meeting would help.
@bcartner I am a native of the South, and am proud to say that my native region opposed secession, had no use for slavery or the CSA, supported Mr. Lincoln, and provided his eventual successor, a pro-union Democrat. This area embraced the party of Lincoln and has continued to do so to this day (though I suspect that, were the great man with us today, he'd be appalled by today's GOP). Young men hereabouts ignored the Confederate draft and the populace refused to pay the Confederate war tax.
@bcartner FINALLY, you defame me with the implication that I am an alcoholic. I do not consume alcohol but I suspect some of your screeds are composed while you are under the influence of too much Southern Comfort. Your comparison of the CSA to the American colonies and their revolt against the Crown is too rididiculous to merit response. As for "anger," you're still throwing tantrums over the defeat of the southern planter class and their "glawruss cawze" of perpetuating human slavery. Shame.
An example - Colonel John B. Turchin was up for court-martial in 1862. Crimes included: allowing his command to rob inhabitants of a plantation, an indecent outrage on a servant girl, destroying a stock of Bibles/Testaments and several soldiers committed rape on the person of an African-American girl. President Lincoln promoted Turchin to the rank of Brigadier General. This is not an isolated incident. It is the war we endured for men like yourself to deny States Rights.
Lincoln locked up everyone who disagreed with his madness, shut down the press when it would not print articles favorable to his oppression and planned a system of geographical separation for African Americans similar to apartheid. The South was forced to endure innumerable acts of rape and robbery at the hands of the U.S. military. The north considered us sub-human, and your words show that same contempt. Keep promoting your message, and we will ALL lose our freedoms in the near future.
No, you chose to start the boy/girl issue and juvenile "spit ball" analogy. I, like most Southerners, really do want individuals to have freedom. It is very obvious that you have been educated beyond your intelligence level, and you believe the myths written in the books you have studied, and I am sure, these books have become your religion. But no matter what type of prejudice you choose to inflict upon the South, the fact still remains that our cause was that of the original Revolution.
@bcartner Regarding "intelligence level," I'll gladly put my Stanford-Binet and Terman scores up against yours. As is often the case, you blow about matters of which you are obviously ignorant. As for reading books, you should try it sometime.
@shaneu1 One last item, a kind of therapeutic suggestion. You are probably familiar with Mr. Edmund Ruffin. I suspect he is your hero/"role model." If so, you will no doubt recall the action taken by Mr. Ruffin after he learned of the Confederacy's collapse. My final suggestion to you is that you imitate precisely in meticulous detail Mr. Ruffin's reaction to the death of the CSA. Like him, you may thereby finally find release from your chronic mental anguish over the lost "glawruss cawze."
Icarus has flown too close the facts of the history, and will come falling to the hard ground of truth. Your "Family Guy" style and juvenile name calling proves there is not much of a pedigree, much less a true educational background to stand on. The simple fact is the South was RIGHT, and the inbred northern leadership is now wading hell with the other heathens like Hitler and Stalin. Oh, and I am sure that a lot of men have spit across your bow, but I prefer females. Go back to your closet.
@bcartner Fanatics and the self-deluded can seldom think or communicate rationally. You strike me as a campy character right out of a T. Williams play, your life consisting of sitting around home (or perhaps "the home") obsessively mourning the horrible loss of "thuh glawruss cawze." The CSA was the worst "cawze" for which poor men ever died with the possible exception of Nazi Germany. You and your like shamelessly and mindlessly romanticize the sorry, contemptible enterprise that was the CSA.
@bcartner Oh, a couple of loose ends remain. What, pray tell, is a "'Family Guy' style"? Second, your characterization of me as a homosexual tells me you probably have such repressed subconscious urges in that direction buried in your scrambled brain. Perhaps this single-minded obsession with Lee and other mental cases associated with "thuh glawruss cawze" is a sublimation of these subconscious urges, designed to supress any unthinkable ideations that threaten to break loose. Just a thought.
@shaneu1 Correction to reply infra. "Suppress." Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. I am quite embarrassed to have allowed myself to slip into one of Mr./Mrs./Miss Cartner's sloppy habits.
...you have certainly become intoxicated by the exuberance of your own verbosity. Like every northern sympathizer, you know "nothing" of history and everything of personal attacks as a defensive measure. Some day history will tell of the true genocide and atrocities committed by the U.S. against the Southern people, poor African Americans and Native Americans in the late 1800's. Now go check in with your parole officer and finish your community service.
@bcartner Old boy (girl), I'll be glad to challenge you to the toughest history examination on the American Civil War or any other event/era any time. Verbosity? My little responses are spare compared to your Foghorn Leghorn-style verbal windbreaking. "Personal attacks"? Fire a spitball across my bow and you get 180mm cannonades in return. If you're physically able, go play grey-clad soldier in some ludicrous battle "reenactment" and leave the handling of weightier matters in abler hands.
The only fantasies we are dealing with are your fantasies of a revisionist history. Yes, Lincoln drug us all into slavery to an ever expanding federal government. The march of history is leading the American people into Marxism. I imagine you would like to truly find that Lincoln and his generals were the purist of Saints, but the facts prove differently. By the way, Lee freed his slaves before Grant - another omission in today's history books. Ignorance can be cured by education. Deo Vindice!
@bcartner No General is "the purist (sic) of saints." Mr. Lincoln certainly took pragmatic, emergency wartime measures of questionable constitutionality (e.g., suspension of habeas corpus), as have other Presidents under the exigencies of war. If ignorance can be cured by education, then I suggest you hie yourself to the nearest GED class, where you may learn that "drug" is not the past tense of "drag." Finally, your invocation of "God" is, in my view, the typical last resort of the moronic.
The twisted logic was Lincoln's goal to centralize power in Washington to force Henry Clay's American system on everyone. He destroyed 40% of the American economy and declared war on American citizens who had every right to succeed from the Union. Lincoln and his generals destroyed the limited government that our Revolutionary Patriots fought and died for and set us on a course for tyranny. There should have been hangings, and it should have been Lincoln and all his military leadership.
@bcartner I gather that your fantasies of the past trump reality. I imagine that you long for the good old days of slavery, pine for the return of the neo-feudal old South, and weep over the demise of the Articles of Confederation. Mr. Lincoln dragged a loose, sectionally divided aggregation of states kicking and screaming into the industrial age, reinventing the U.S. as a modern, integral nation-state. Continue wallowing in nostalgia for the 18th century as the march of history passes you by.
It looks like we have a historically ignorant individual among us. Yes, there should have been military executions starting with Lincoln, Sherman, McClellan and Grant. Oh, by the way, after they invaded the South and hid behind the issue of slavery, their great love for humanity caused them to commit genocide against the American Indian. God bless Robert E Lee and the SOUTH! DEO VINDICE! The U.S. is now reaping what is sowed from 1861-1865 - God is JUST!
@bcartner According to your twisted logic, the Nuremburg trials should never have been held, and even if they were, President Truman, Churchill, Stalin, Generals Eisenhower and Patton, Zhukov, et al. should have been tried and hanged along with the Nazi hierarchy. As for your final comment, God has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Lee should have been tried for treason, while his colleague in the west, Forrest, should have been prosecuted for war crimes for the Fort Pillow massacre alone. I would have vouchsafed Lee a soldier's execution by firing squad, but Forrest deserved to twist slowly, slowly in the wind from a length of hemp.
well, 300000 union soldiers died in that war and only 50000 confeds died. but after all of that fighting and hate the south never claimed their land. so in the end...is there really a "winner"?
Great video Like others have commented LONG LIVE Robert E. Lee he was a true Southern Hero this is one reason we all reenact down here in South Carolina and to honor our ansestors and Preserve the true history which most Americans dont know
Свободные и подневольные негры служили даже в ударных кавалерийских частях Натаниэля Бедфорда Форреста, известных своей беспощадностью и отчаянными рейдами по тылам неприятеля. генерал Форрест, самый агрессивный военачальник КША и непримиримый враг северян, давал им крайне лестную оценку: «Эти парни оставались со мною до конца. Люди вроде них — лучшее, чем обладала Конфедерация!»
Янки оболгали Юг и его народ. Это война была агрессией против Юга. Вот интересный факт: были и чёрные конфедераты. Очень много чёрных солдат Юга сражались против Янки.Половина орудийной прислуги батарей, оборонявших Ричмонд от армии северян в конце гражданской войны, состояла из чернокожих добровольцев. Большинство из них погибли, но не покинули свои орудия.
He was a mid-19th century Virginian aristocrat. Which is good in some ways and horrible in others, as many here have hastened to point out. He was the The greatest and most daring Army commander in our Civil War. He knew that the hope of his country lay in gambling. So he did. He was quite ill at the time of the Gettysburg campaign and had lost his best Corps commander. His second best corps commander almost took an impossible position to take on Day 2. It was close folks, mainly because of him.
@2USMCBoy He definitely inherited slaves from his father-in-law and was a brutal taskmaster. He refused to release the slaves until the very last day his father-in-law's will sanctioned...
@CPenn5 Churchill was a chronic tosspot who was enamored of Victorian era military history. If he made the statement you attribute to him, he was probably "in his cups" or said it during the 1950's, when he was quickly sinking into senility.
Much respect to Robert E. Lee and the rest of the southern boys. Its awful we had to fight eachother. I admire the way the South fought, and how fast they could move troops.
@RonPaulHatesBlacks the south did not start just shooting american soldiers they shot at a boat that was goin to supply a fort. they had every right to do so as the usa was moving military equipment on csa territory. so buddy if ur gonna be against something get the fact so you atleast no what your for and against
@TheWSS I've learned to ignore RonPaulHatesBlacks. He is a biggot and does not answer you civily, instead he answers by calling you a racist,fat boy, or hatemonger. He knows he can't win arguements with the BS he is trying to force upon people and when I asked him why he called me a "hatemonger" and 'racist" even though I have enver made racist comments, he ignored me. He also said "southern nationalists are uneducated racist hatemongers" just ignore him. He will go away like the idiot he is.
@branman864 i have finally realized that he is just a liberal douche bag just like alot of people on here and they just need to realize just cuz its their idea doesnt mean they are right @RonPaulHatesBlacks is a democratic douche and needs to actually realize he is wrong
@TheWSS The thing is that Lincoln and Grant both thought that the Mexican War was immoral yet they found no qualms about launching an even bloodier war against the cause of southern independence.
ROBERTO E LEE IS A MEXICANS CAUSE OF HIS FIRST NAME, AND A CHINA MAN BECAUSE OF LAST NAME. FUCK THAT OLD WHITE SHIT FACE CRACKER. he can eat shit and die of aids like his ugly granddaddy. HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHA FUCK SOUTHERN HERITAGE AND FUCK WHITEYS LOL.
@Kiratsuchii What a nasty little bigot you are. "Mexicans...Chinaman...white shit face craker...fuck Southern heritage...fuck whiteys." You can never call another human being a bigot again, since you are as guilty as the worst one out there. Robert E. Lee was a thousand times the man you are in every single way. Deal with it. You need to do something about your irrational hatred. It will destroy you from the inside out.
@festdir dude Robert e Lee wasn't failior he was a great man he face 130,000 men agains 225,000 and won he was the greatest southern hero and grant was a failier he lost half of his 300,000 men so pretty much sush up if u don't know the history!!!
@festdir south lost cuz of the low level of troops north only won cuz they had more troops like tohse fucking irish.And robert e lee saved hes men lives so he wasn't a failior peapole of the south are right he was a true hero.so sush up fucking yankee kiss sum niggas butt motherfucker.
@ihaten1ggas "south lost cuz...[more USA troops than CSA traitors]"
Tell that to Vietnam vs. France, Viet v USA, Viet v China, USA v GB, Finn v USSR, Afgan v USSR, Greece v Persia....the Defensive advantage compared to modest numbers advantage is unheard of in all of history.
The CSA is unique in how little hardship the immoral traitorous cowards had to endure before begging for the mercy of their moral & martial betters
The CSA was immoral & cowardly....& they kept proving it for over a century
I can't understand americans who think they are free? We are all tax slaves. We are more profitable to the government than cattle slavery was. We pay more than 60% in total taxes, local, state and federal than slaves could produce and then have to feed ourselves.
Today is the anniversary of Lee's blunder on the 3rd day at Gettysburg. For that one thing most of all the entire nation owes him a debt of gratitude. It was here that he lost the war.
@MrPontiusPilate How is that great victory working out for the north? Your cities are crime ridden dumps these days. Detroit, DC, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Philly.......the list goes on and on.
Are you serious? The south was the nation's backwater 200 years with the poorest least educated people. It was northern and western tax money during the depression that pulled you out of it. Look it up you uneducated little worm. You're welcome.
Notice something in common with all the cities you named? The were all northern cities that former slaves from the south moved into after the Civil War.
@MrPontiusPilate Let's see...Flannery O'Connor, William Faulkner, Tennessee Williams, Walker Percy, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Shelby Foote, Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, Nathniel Bedford Forrest, Cormac McCarthy...quite a list of uneducated people isn't it? The North's only significant contribution to america's legacy is Herman Melville and maybe Henry Ford.
Thomas Edison, Benjamin Franklin, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Henry David Thorough, J. Robert Oppenheimer, John Adams, Carl Sagan, Samuel Morse, Jonas Salk, and unlike some of the people on your list all the people on my list made actual contributions.
Robert E Lee may have been born and bred "American" and a hero of the confederate states but he had English blood. Ethnically he was an Englishman, like most "Americans" back then had English and Scots-Irish blood.
@dodofrog2 so its wrong to respect our past? no shit its 2011, I live like it is 2011. I'm glad the Confedracy lost but its part of my family ancestory. So please, quit trolling. Is it wrong for Americans to respect to respect our past leaders, no it isn't. Although I have noticed that when southerners, which most of their families fought and died for the South, it is considered "backwards" of them. Go to school, get your education, and quit wasting our time.
Kicked EVERY yankee general's ass until he ran out of men. If Virginia had not left the so-called union the war would have ben over in a few months. LONG LIVES DIXIE!!!
@2USMCBoy Then you will know he is decended from an Ulster Scots Protestant Family, the same as President Jackson, James Bowie & David Crockett (from county Antrim)
@2USMCBoy It's an honour to know you through this YouTube forum , Sir . I wish I can emulate your Great-great-grandfather's ethics , Sir . Greetings from Malaysia !
DEUS SALVE O GENERAL LEE, GRANDE HOMEM,GRANDE LIDER QUE BOM QUE TER HEROIS REAIS QUE LUTARAM POR SUAS CONVICÇOES E PAGARM O PREÇO PELOS SEUS IDEAIS. DESCANCE EM PAZ VELHO SOLDADO ATE UM DIA NOS ENCONTRARMOS DE NOVO !!!!!
too all the redneck of the world. this fucker robert e lee is the stupidedt dumbfuck who ever lived. for all the stupid redneck who calls a loser their leader are fuck fag too. the south lost get over it the south will never rise. plus all of the south stinks like shit. why would you live there idk the people are all inbred fuck the love to fuck their own family members. so fuck all redneck people ill come a piss in your ugly face. that wil be the cleanest drink you will ever have
Southern Culture -- we believe strongly in what we believe to be true, we believe in freedom and God -- we are willing to die defending our beliefs ==== kinda of like the original forefathers no ?
@borbo23 actually i was wrong lol and I admit it --- I'm a southerner and I have honor :)
West Point is in New York ( we should've annexed it :) ) The Citadel is in the south -- S Carolina ====
yes we have a military tradition -- the south was colonized from the p[eopel from Scotland and Ireland in a large part -- just listen to our tradintional blugrass music and instruments, as well as our dances --- mostly Irish :) and didn't the Irish and Scots not particularly like the Engish ?
@borbo23 Incompetent? Lee is heralded worldwide, by any military scholar you care to name, as a genius in both tactics and in leadership qualities. You do yourself a disservice and an embarrassment by stating this nonsense. Rather, you should point out the absurdity of northern generals, like McClellan, Hooker, Fremont, Burnside and many many others who forced their soldiers into the well aimed, accurate and persistent fire of southern men who often had no shoes.
@Cionaodh57 No, actually. He's not. He's considered a mediocre general by military historians who don't have an agenda.
But I entirely agree that early Union commanders were incompetent - it's just that Lee's mediocrity appears great in comparison. As soon as he faced Meade, himself a decent general at best, he lost very badly. As soon as he faced Grant, a far superior general, he lost consistently, and the war ended within a year.
@borbo23 On the assertion that Lee is considered a mediocre general, you are factually incorrect. Please name these "military historians" who do not have an agenda. Please name each one. The United States Military Academy at West Point certainly considers him one of their very finest graduates.
@Cionaodh57 Lee does not deserve this worship - it was not organic, but invented after the war, as part of the Lost Cause myth, to exonerate the South of its failures as a society and militarily.
@borbo23 Scholarly criticism of General Lee after the close of the war was not especially critical, especially among southerners. But southerners are not the only ones. Northern generals & military historians especially those who fought against Gen Lee and The Army of Northern Virginia regarded him as both a warrior and a gentleman. As innovative as he was maneuvering his army & deceiving his enemy he did not think outside the normal constraints of Napoleonic warfare, as General Jackson did.
@Cionaodh57 Innovative? Have you even read a book about this? He was not innovative in the slightest. The Confederacy WAS innovative in some ways, but not Lee. He was an 18th-century tactician fighting a war for a 17th-century agenda.
And frankly, I'll judge for myself what's "gentlemanly". I don't think betraying a sacred oath to your country and levying war against her, illegally keeping slaves who were freed and whipping them for trying to do what they were legally entitled to do was-
@borbo23 Aha---in this you reveal yourself for who you are: a fly-by-night casual reader of history who knows little or nothing about the period. You are a fraud. But hey, it's a free country; and YouTube does not screen credentials before you can post something. Lee was certainly a gentleman. He is also on record as deploring slavery, not only in the South, but everywhere. And according to the 10th Amendment to the US Const Virginia was a sovereign state to which his first allegiance belonged.
@Cionaodh57 A nice attempt to discredit me, but you forgot one vital thing - actually proving it.
I guess you just didn't know that Lee inherited slaves from his father-in-law - whose will ordered them freed. Instead, Lee kept them enslaved to pay off debts (whipping some who thought they were free and tried to leave, including a young woman), then kept them longer than the will legally allowed.
But hey, I'm a "casual reader of history", so what do I know?
@Cionaodh57 Also, Lee did dislike slavery, but considered it a "necessary evil" because he thought blacks were little more than savages. Amazing how taking things out of context can improve them, isn't it?
@borbo23 For the southern economy up to 1865 it was certainly a necessary evil. Southern wealth was primarily invested in and was dependent upon slave labor. Just as it had been in New England states prior to 1836. But Lee's views on the black slaves were no different than was Abraham Lincoln's, or Ulysses Grant's, or especially General William T. Sherman. And you are a casual reader of history, supplemented with a few Google searches to bolster your opinions...
@Cionaodh57 Wow, apparently you're a psychic wannabe. It so happens I have referred to several books, but nothing online whatsoever.
And no, um, Lincoln, Grant, and even Sherman did not consider it a "necessary evil" or that blacks were savages. They all disliked slavery (especially Lincoln and Grant).
You're just an idiot. I'm actually laughing at you and sending your words out to other people who are laughing at your stupidity as well. Thank you for the entertainment.
@borbo23 Once again you are factually incorrect. Lincoln, Grant and Sherman each thought it preferable to deport those of African descent back to Africa, and each regarded them as little better than savages, which is why the colony of Liberia was formed and which ultimately proved unsuccessful to manage the mass deportation of former slaves to Africa. Most of them preferred to stay, though some did go and Liberias current citizenry consists of descendants of former slaves.
@Cionaodh57 Everything you say is incorrect, and I am forced to fix it-and then you just move on to the next stupidity.
Lincoln did suggest the idea of colonizing freed slaves in Liberia, but that was because he feared violence between the races (well-founded, as Southerners did murder black civilians). His suggestion was for a voluntary move, not deportation - learn your own language. He dropped the idea when there was little interest in it. You're making a mountain out of a pebble.
@Cionaodh57 Lincoln had more respect for blacks than pretty much any of his contemporaries. Nearly everyone was racist then, by modern standards, but Lincoln was remarkably less so than most at that time. I believe it was Frederick Douglas who commented that Lincoln treated him with the respect of an equal.
Don't mistake some of Lincoln's early-war comments to Democrats designed to keep support for the war for his feelings on the subject. People always love to quote him out of context.
It was entirely southerners who invented this infallibility around him; Lee undermined Confederate manpower with senseless attacks, as well as Confederate strategy.
The Confederacy only had to not lose to win - Lee went for the win, which proved very costly.
@borbo23 The Lost Cause was not a myth. It was a grindingly hard fact of daily life among those who not only fought and survived the war, but daily existence in a region that was occupied by those same enemy forces and in which the economy had collapsed to an almost subsistence level in much of the region. Lee was a hero to the men who fought under him, during and after the war. Jackson's tactics were superior; but Lee's almost won the war for the South as it was.
@Cionaodh57 There was no Confederate ideology by the end of the war; it fell apart after Gettysburg and Vicksburg. The only thing that held it together was internal security - ie, there was no glorious "Lost Cause", it was astroturf.
And while the South did suffer because of their war, the North also financed its Reconstruction and ALMOST succeeded in saving it from its own ineptitude and bigotry. It was the north who built roads, railroads and schools, and much more.
@borbo23 In this again you show your colors. You know little of the English language, let alone this period of US history. Southern "Confederate" ideology persisted long after the war; it persists to this very day. Even the state of Vermont has an active secessionist movement, but for different reasons than the contiguous southern states back in 1860. But hey, this is fun; I can go as long as you want.
@Cionaodh57 Funny, about the ideology, I was quoting James McPherson, this generations pre-eminent Civil War historian. If you want anyone to do more than laugh at you for challenging his assertion with no evidence, I suggest you become professor of history at one of the world's best universities.
@borbo23 To the contrary, I suggest you misquoted him at best. It is laughable to assert that Confederate ideology vanished after the war. The only thing that ended was the ability of Confederate soldiers to wage war against Unionist armies. Again, you show your ignorance of English vocabulary: ideology refers to the realm of ideas, which could not die. If Mr. McPherson said as much, then that is a discredit to him as well.
@Cionaodh57 I didn't say it vanished after the war - I said it vanished DURING the war, learn to read. It was a "reign of terror" (in the words of the Richmond Whig) that kept it going after that.
To say they only lost because they couldn't keep fighting is ridiculous - many, many peoples have kept fighting in worse situations. Southerners just had no will to keep fighting, over half their armies deserted during the last year of the war.
@borbo23 "There was no Confederate ideology by the end of the war; it fell apart after Gettysburg and Vicksburg. The only thing that held it together was internal security - ie, there was no glorious "Lost Cause", it was astroturf." Your words, not mine. And you did not say it vanished, which would also be laughable.
@Cionaodh57 BY the end. Not after. There's an important distinction there, especially since I specifically say when this occurred; immediately after Vicksburg and Gettysburg. I guess you don't know the war's timeline?
In this context, vanishing and falling apart are synonymous. The ideology was contradictory and could not last in practice; the Confederacy defeated itself with its own contradictions as much as it was taken apart by Union armies. It was all a pipe dream, which is why it failed.
@borbo23 If you are referring to the ideology of "States Rights" in the context of the US Constitution, and how those "states rights" were practiced in the war, then you are correct to a degree. An example of which was the unfortunate practice of food and supplies languishing in Atlanta warehouses when the Army of Tennessee desperately needed them, yet they were earmarked for the Army of Northern Virginia.
Amazed by your marveled by your vocabulary. Stop looking down on us as if you know by default that we are all ignorant racist.
CPenn5 5 days ago
You need to get over yourself. I highly doubt anyone on here Is
CPenn5 5 days ago
Why are you arguing on YouTube. It is just plain foolish. You will never understand the south. You can argue against Robert E. Lee but you are stupid to speak bad about Churchill. He said that comment in the 1946 btw.
CPenn5 6 days ago
@CPenn5 I briefly glanced at your "channel." Conclusion: you impeach your own credibility and thus merit no response from me ("rasist"?) At least my previous interlocutor was semi-literate and occasionally worthy of a response.
shaneu1 5 days ago
Well shaneu1, if you consider yourself intelligent then why are y
CPenn5 6 days ago
HAPPY 205th BIRTHDAY GENERAL LEE
Redneck3141 1 week ago
@Redneck3141 I'm certain that, from his little corner in the hottest spot in Dante's Inferno, Marse Robert thanks you.
shaneu1 1 week ago
...and we do not drink Southern Comfort. I am sitting here with two of my dearest friends, both attorneys and graduates of Vanderbilt, enjoying 18 year old Scotch. One of our hobbies is hunting for idiots and pulling their chains. Your Honor - we rest our case!
bcartner 1 week ago
@bcartner Are you certain about that? I think that if you rested on the evidence adduced thus far, you would be begging for a malpractice suit and perhaps even a slap-on-the-wrist letter from "The Board." Reading your latest screed, a tableau vivant forms in my mind: a trio of aging or aged "roaring boys," what Disraeli might call "exhausted volcanoes," swilling overpriced whiskey and belting out off-key renditions of "The Bonny Blue Flag." It's akin to being trapped in a surreal "time warp."
shaneu1 1 week ago
@bcartner Funny. When these "Night They Drove Old Dixie Down" things materialize hereon and I improbably receive notice of them, I can't resist mixing it up with the odd admixture of crazies, illiterates, neo-Nazis, skinheads, Klansmen, nostalgia freaks, "Get Your Heart in Dixie or Get Your Ass Out" peckerwoods, and, lest I forget, superannuated, southern-fried ex-frat rats who mourn the "good old days of our glawruss region," a time when "them people knew their place and called us Bawss." Bye.
shaneu1 1 week ago
Let us take a look at the "shameful" comments of Lincoln: "If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that." Lincoln was simply a puppet of the prevailing corporate interests of his day, and his comments lend sufficient evidence to his racism. This glorious hero also contracted syphilis and gave it to his wife. Shame!!!!
bcartner 1 week ago
@bcartner That was how Lincoln evaluated the exigencies facing him shortly after he took office. Of course, all of that officially changed after Antietam. The real purpose of "The Proclamation" that followed was to reformulate the true aim of the conflict, viz., the eradication of Dixie's cherished "pee-culiar institution" and the state laws and political structure which undergirded the whole rotten edifice. Small wonder that Marx dubbed Lincoln "this noble son of the proletariat."
shaneu1 1 week ago
Mr/Mrs./Miss Shaneu, I noticed that you were educated at Tulane and the University of Tennessee. I do appreciate the fact that you recognize our superior educational systems in the South. It seems that you truly have a habit of biting the hand that educates you. It is apparent to me that you would have also shot Washington, Greene and Gates since they rebelled against "their government." You seem to be a very angry person; maybe an anger management program and possibly an AA meeting would help.
bcartner 1 week ago
@bcartner I am a native of the South, and am proud to say that my native region opposed secession, had no use for slavery or the CSA, supported Mr. Lincoln, and provided his eventual successor, a pro-union Democrat. This area embraced the party of Lincoln and has continued to do so to this day (though I suspect that, were the great man with us today, he'd be appalled by today's GOP). Young men hereabouts ignored the Confederate draft and the populace refused to pay the Confederate war tax.
shaneu1 1 week ago
@bcartner FINALLY, you defame me with the implication that I am an alcoholic. I do not consume alcohol but I suspect some of your screeds are composed while you are under the influence of too much Southern Comfort. Your comparison of the CSA to the American colonies and their revolt against the Crown is too rididiculous to merit response. As for "anger," you're still throwing tantrums over the defeat of the southern planter class and their "glawruss cawze" of perpetuating human slavery. Shame.
shaneu1 1 week ago
An example - Colonel John B. Turchin was up for court-martial in 1862. Crimes included: allowing his command to rob inhabitants of a plantation, an indecent outrage on a servant girl, destroying a stock of Bibles/Testaments and several soldiers committed rape on the person of an African-American girl. President Lincoln promoted Turchin to the rank of Brigadier General. This is not an isolated incident. It is the war we endured for men like yourself to deny States Rights.
bcartner 1 week ago
Lincoln locked up everyone who disagreed with his madness, shut down the press when it would not print articles favorable to his oppression and planned a system of geographical separation for African Americans similar to apartheid. The South was forced to endure innumerable acts of rape and robbery at the hands of the U.S. military. The north considered us sub-human, and your words show that same contempt. Keep promoting your message, and we will ALL lose our freedoms in the near future.
bcartner 1 week ago
No, you chose to start the boy/girl issue and juvenile "spit ball" analogy. I, like most Southerners, really do want individuals to have freedom. It is very obvious that you have been educated beyond your intelligence level, and you believe the myths written in the books you have studied, and I am sure, these books have become your religion. But no matter what type of prejudice you choose to inflict upon the South, the fact still remains that our cause was that of the original Revolution.
bcartner 1 week ago
@bcartner Regarding "intelligence level," I'll gladly put my Stanford-Binet and Terman scores up against yours. As is often the case, you blow about matters of which you are obviously ignorant. As for reading books, you should try it sometime.
shaneu1 1 week ago
@shaneu1 One last item, a kind of therapeutic suggestion. You are probably familiar with Mr. Edmund Ruffin. I suspect he is your hero/"role model." If so, you will no doubt recall the action taken by Mr. Ruffin after he learned of the Confederacy's collapse. My final suggestion to you is that you imitate precisely in meticulous detail Mr. Ruffin's reaction to the death of the CSA. Like him, you may thereby finally find release from your chronic mental anguish over the lost "glawruss cawze."
shaneu1 1 week ago
Icarus has flown too close the facts of the history, and will come falling to the hard ground of truth. Your "Family Guy" style and juvenile name calling proves there is not much of a pedigree, much less a true educational background to stand on. The simple fact is the South was RIGHT, and the inbred northern leadership is now wading hell with the other heathens like Hitler and Stalin. Oh, and I am sure that a lot of men have spit across your bow, but I prefer females. Go back to your closet.
bcartner 1 week ago
@bcartner Fanatics and the self-deluded can seldom think or communicate rationally. You strike me as a campy character right out of a T. Williams play, your life consisting of sitting around home (or perhaps "the home") obsessively mourning the horrible loss of "thuh glawruss cawze." The CSA was the worst "cawze" for which poor men ever died with the possible exception of Nazi Germany. You and your like shamelessly and mindlessly romanticize the sorry, contemptible enterprise that was the CSA.
shaneu1 1 week ago 2
@bcartner Oh, a couple of loose ends remain. What, pray tell, is a "'Family Guy' style"? Second, your characterization of me as a homosexual tells me you probably have such repressed subconscious urges in that direction buried in your scrambled brain. Perhaps this single-minded obsession with Lee and other mental cases associated with "thuh glawruss cawze" is a sublimation of these subconscious urges, designed to supress any unthinkable ideations that threaten to break loose. Just a thought.
shaneu1 1 week ago
@shaneu1 Correction to reply infra. "Suppress." Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. I am quite embarrassed to have allowed myself to slip into one of Mr./Mrs./Miss Cartner's sloppy habits.
shaneu1 1 week ago
...you have certainly become intoxicated by the exuberance of your own verbosity. Like every northern sympathizer, you know "nothing" of history and everything of personal attacks as a defensive measure. Some day history will tell of the true genocide and atrocities committed by the U.S. against the Southern people, poor African Americans and Native Americans in the late 1800's. Now go check in with your parole officer and finish your community service.
bcartner 1 week ago
@bcartner Old boy (girl), I'll be glad to challenge you to the toughest history examination on the American Civil War or any other event/era any time. Verbosity? My little responses are spare compared to your Foghorn Leghorn-style verbal windbreaking. "Personal attacks"? Fire a spitball across my bow and you get 180mm cannonades in return. If you're physically able, go play grey-clad soldier in some ludicrous battle "reenactment" and leave the handling of weightier matters in abler hands.
shaneu1 1 week ago
The only fantasies we are dealing with are your fantasies of a revisionist history. Yes, Lincoln drug us all into slavery to an ever expanding federal government. The march of history is leading the American people into Marxism. I imagine you would like to truly find that Lincoln and his generals were the purist of Saints, but the facts prove differently. By the way, Lee freed his slaves before Grant - another omission in today's history books. Ignorance can be cured by education. Deo Vindice!
bcartner 1 week ago
@bcartner No General is "the purist (sic) of saints." Mr. Lincoln certainly took pragmatic, emergency wartime measures of questionable constitutionality (e.g., suspension of habeas corpus), as have other Presidents under the exigencies of war. If ignorance can be cured by education, then I suggest you hie yourself to the nearest GED class, where you may learn that "drug" is not the past tense of "drag." Finally, your invocation of "God" is, in my view, the typical last resort of the moronic.
shaneu1 1 week ago
The twisted logic was Lincoln's goal to centralize power in Washington to force Henry Clay's American system on everyone. He destroyed 40% of the American economy and declared war on American citizens who had every right to succeed from the Union. Lincoln and his generals destroyed the limited government that our Revolutionary Patriots fought and died for and set us on a course for tyranny. There should have been hangings, and it should have been Lincoln and all his military leadership.
bcartner 1 week ago
@bcartner I gather that your fantasies of the past trump reality. I imagine that you long for the good old days of slavery, pine for the return of the neo-feudal old South, and weep over the demise of the Articles of Confederation. Mr. Lincoln dragged a loose, sectionally divided aggregation of states kicking and screaming into the industrial age, reinventing the U.S. as a modern, integral nation-state. Continue wallowing in nostalgia for the 18th century as the march of history passes you by.
shaneu1 1 week ago
It looks like we have a historically ignorant individual among us. Yes, there should have been military executions starting with Lincoln, Sherman, McClellan and Grant. Oh, by the way, after they invaded the South and hid behind the issue of slavery, their great love for humanity caused them to commit genocide against the American Indian. God bless Robert E Lee and the SOUTH! DEO VINDICE! The U.S. is now reaping what is sowed from 1861-1865 - God is JUST!
bcartner 1 week ago
@bcartner According to your twisted logic, the Nuremburg trials should never have been held, and even if they were, President Truman, Churchill, Stalin, Generals Eisenhower and Patton, Zhukov, et al. should have been tried and hanged along with the Nazi hierarchy. As for your final comment, God has absolutely nothing to do with it.
shaneu1 1 week ago
Lee should have been tried for treason, while his colleague in the west, Forrest, should have been prosecuted for war crimes for the Fort Pillow massacre alone. I would have vouchsafed Lee a soldier's execution by firing squad, but Forrest deserved to twist slowly, slowly in the wind from a length of hemp.
shaneu1 1 week ago
rest in peace mr lee, every january 19th i celebrate your day!
dementedspirit1 1 week ago
well, 300000 union soldiers died in that war and only 50000 confeds died. but after all of that fighting and hate the south never claimed their land. so in the end...is there really a "winner"?
THEFLYINGREDNECK 3 weeks ago
At 2:42 Easy Rider!
travb35 1 month ago
(Robert E. Lee's reincarnation)
travb35 1 month ago
A tribute to Dennis Hopper!
travb35 1 month ago
Great video Like others have commented LONG LIVE Robert E. Lee he was a true Southern Hero this is one reason we all reenact down here in South Carolina and to honor our ansestors and Preserve the true history which most Americans dont know
UpperSCBattallion 1 month ago
Свободные и подневольные негры служили даже в ударных кавалерийских частях Натаниэля Бедфорда Форреста, известных своей беспощадностью и отчаянными рейдами по тылам неприятеля. генерал Форрест, самый агрессивный военачальник КША и непримиримый враг северян, давал им крайне лестную оценку: «Эти парни оставались со мною до конца. Люди вроде них — лучшее, чем обладала Конфедерация!»
TheBlackSkif 2 months ago
Янки оболгали Юг и его народ. Это война была агрессией против Юга. Вот интересный факт: были и чёрные конфедераты. Очень много чёрных солдат Юга сражались против Янки.Половина орудийной прислуги батарей, оборонявших Ричмонд от армии северян в конце гражданской войны, состояла из чернокожих добровольцев. Большинство из них погибли, но не покинули свои орудия.
TheBlackSkif 2 months ago
He was a mid-19th century Virginian aristocrat. Which is good in some ways and horrible in others, as many here have hastened to point out. He was the The greatest and most daring Army commander in our Civil War. He knew that the hope of his country lay in gambling. So he did. He was quite ill at the time of the Gettysburg campaign and had lost his best Corps commander. His second best corps commander almost took an impossible position to take on Day 2. It was close folks, mainly because of him.
lebarosky 2 months ago
@lebarosky sorry about punctuation.
lebarosky 2 months ago
The south will rise again! Robert E. Lee was the best man ever.
SouthernPrideBAMA 2 months ago
some one should have given robby lee a joint.
InHumanFormR 3 months ago
Robert E. Lee is probably my favorite slave owner...
HatchettBasketball 3 months ago
@HatchettBasketball he technically didn't have slaves his Father in law did and he lived with his father in law and his family
2USMCBoy 3 months ago
@2USMCBoy He definitely inherited slaves from his father-in-law and was a brutal taskmaster. He refused to release the slaves until the very last day his father-in-law's will sanctioned...
HatchettBasketball 3 months ago
@HatchettBasketball yep, much better slave owner than GEORGE WASHINGTON!
THEFLYINGREDNECK 3 weeks ago
robert e lee in hell
TheJoe1523 3 months ago
good song but fuck robert e lee hoe ass bitch can lick my big mandingo dick
TheJoe1523 3 months ago
Churchill said he was the greatest American to ever live.
CPenn5 3 months ago 2
@CPenn5 Churchill was a chronic tosspot who was enamored of Victorian era military history. If he made the statement you attribute to him, he was probably "in his cups" or said it during the 1950's, when he was quickly sinking into senility.
shaneu1 1 week ago
CSA never forget ROBERT E. LEE
TheOutlawgunslinger 3 months ago
all rebls like the video and all you yanks go **** your sealf
Mr7656polo 3 months ago
omg if we had even number of troops we could have won. everyone thinks the only reason we fought was over slavery..... thats so wrong
KaIanari 3 months ago
I.34 - looks like one of Don Troiani's or maybe James McPherson.
slideharp1 4 months ago
could anyone please recommend a good book on the american civil war? i find it to be a fascinating subject
aewd1980 4 months ago
@aewd1980 Yeah, The Civil war by Shelby Foote.
slideharp1 4 months ago
@slideharp1 - thanks a lot :)
aewd1980 4 months ago
Im a direct descendent of Robert E. Lee
ChickenNugget971 4 months ago
@ChickenNugget971 well its nice to meet u my cousin was ALEXANDER HAMILTON STEPHENS V.P OF CONFEDERACY
Southernjuggalo63 1 month ago
@Southernjuggalo63 It's nice to meet you too,
ChickenNugget971 3 weeks ago
@konnii1 he died of old age he was 70 now that may not seem old today but back then living to seventy was unheard of.
presidentofawesome3 4 months ago
God bless the South.
14EspanaNS88 4 months ago
Much respect to Robert E. Lee and the rest of the southern boys. Its awful we had to fight eachother. I admire the way the South fought, and how fast they could move troops.
UStheFA 4 months ago
how did he die
konnii1 4 months ago
@konnii1
natural causes, I believe.
MrJahka 4 months ago
@RonPaulHatesBlacks
youtube.com/watch?v=0LU9I0KxWi4&feature=related
get the real story the declaration of succession was about taxes get the story straight
TheWSS 4 months ago
@RonPaulHatesBlacks the south did not start just shooting american soldiers they shot at a boat that was goin to supply a fort. they had every right to do so as the usa was moving military equipment on csa territory. so buddy if ur gonna be against something get the fact so you atleast no what your for and against
TheWSS 4 months ago
@TheWSS I've learned to ignore RonPaulHatesBlacks. He is a biggot and does not answer you civily, instead he answers by calling you a racist,fat boy, or hatemonger. He knows he can't win arguements with the BS he is trying to force upon people and when I asked him why he called me a "hatemonger" and 'racist" even though I have enver made racist comments, he ignored me. He also said "southern nationalists are uneducated racist hatemongers" just ignore him. He will go away like the idiot he is.
branman864 4 months ago
@branman864 i have finally realized that he is just a liberal douche bag just like alot of people on here and they just need to realize just cuz its their idea doesnt mean they are right @RonPaulHatesBlacks is a democratic douche and needs to actually realize he is wrong
TheWSS 4 months ago
@TheWSS The thing is that Lincoln and Grant both thought that the Mexican War was immoral yet they found no qualms about launching an even bloodier war against the cause of southern independence.
branman864 4 months ago
ROBERTO E LEE IS A MEXICANS CAUSE OF HIS FIRST NAME, AND A CHINA MAN BECAUSE OF LAST NAME. FUCK THAT OLD WHITE SHIT FACE CRACKER. he can eat shit and die of aids like his ugly granddaddy. HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHA FUCK SOUTHERN HERITAGE AND FUCK WHITEYS LOL.
Kiratsuchii 5 months ago
@Kiratsuchii What a nasty little bigot you are. "Mexicans...Chinaman...white shit face craker...fuck Southern heritage...fuck whiteys." You can never call another human being a bigot again, since you are as guilty as the worst one out there. Robert E. Lee was a thousand times the man you are in every single way. Deal with it. You need to do something about your irrational hatred. It will destroy you from the inside out.
stellalouise1 5 months ago
Very well done..it fits this song nicely.
migoe71 5 months ago
Why would someone make a tribute to a failed general to an immoral cause & a traitor?
Grant & Sherman were heroes, this man is an immoral failed traitor.
festdir 5 months ago
@festdir dude Robert e Lee wasn't failior he was a great man he face 130,000 men agains 225,000 and won he was the greatest southern hero and grant was a failier he lost half of his 300,000 men so pretty much sush up if u don't know the history!!!
ihaten1ggas 5 months ago
@ihaten1ggas "Robert e Lee wasn't failior [really? sic].."
He surrendered in less than 4 yrs...what exactly, did he 'succeed' at, other than surrendering to his moral & martial betters?
"Grant was a failier [ho-ly shit, sic]"
Ah....you thing WINNING THE WAR = 'failure' & SURRENDERING='success'.
No wonder the south lost.
Thanks for demonstrating.
festdir 5 months ago
@festdir south lost cuz of the low level of troops north only won cuz they had more troops like tohse fucking irish.And robert e lee saved hes men lives so he wasn't a failior peapole of the south are right he was a true hero.so sush up fucking yankee kiss sum niggas butt motherfucker.
ihaten1ggas 5 months ago
@ihaten1ggas "south lost cuz...[more USA troops than CSA traitors]"
Tell that to Vietnam vs. France, Viet v USA, Viet v China, USA v GB, Finn v USSR, Afgan v USSR, Greece v Persia....the Defensive advantage compared to modest numbers advantage is unheard of in all of history.
The CSA is unique in how little hardship the immoral traitorous cowards had to endure before begging for the mercy of their moral & martial betters
The CSA was immoral & cowardly....& they kept proving it for over a century
festdir 5 months ago
I can't understand americans who think they are free? We are all tax slaves. We are more profitable to the government than cattle slavery was. We pay more than 60% in total taxes, local, state and federal than slaves could produce and then have to feed ourselves.
brainerdrebel 5 months ago
LONG LIVE ROBERT E. LEE THE HERO OF THE SOUTHERN AMERICA! give a thums up if u agree.
Stuart4791 5 months ago 10
robert e lee loved america... he didnt like slavery and never wanted virginia to seceed but it did... he was a true patriot
seminoleboy96 6 months ago
Great Man! To bad there are not more people like him.
MrJpn1996 6 months ago
i'm J.E.B Stuart's Great grwat grand son!!!!!
Stuart4791 6 months ago
@Stuart4791 you know whats weird i am related to Lee and Stuart
2USMCBoy 6 months ago
From Italy, a tribute to one of the greatest man ever, a giant in human been's history !
feurzauber 6 months ago
Today is the anniversary of Lee's blunder on the 3rd day at Gettysburg. For that one thing most of all the entire nation owes him a debt of gratitude. It was here that he lost the war.
MrPontiusPilate 6 months ago
@MrPontiusPilate How is that great victory working out for the north? Your cities are crime ridden dumps these days. Detroit, DC, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Philly.......the list goes on and on.
To the victor goes the spoils I guess.
mrcarterofAR 6 months ago
@mrcarterofAR
Are you serious? The south was the nation's backwater 200 years with the poorest least educated people. It was northern and western tax money during the depression that pulled you out of it. Look it up you uneducated little worm. You're welcome.
MrPontiusPilate 6 months ago
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TheMadRaver 6 months ago
@TheMadRaver
You're right, stupid comments strike a nerve. And no I live in Indiana.
MrPontiusPilate 6 months ago
@TheMadRaver
Notice something in common with all the cities you named? The were all northern cities that former slaves from the south moved into after the Civil War.
MrPontiusPilate 6 months ago
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@MrPontiusPilate Looks like I struck a nerve with mr internet tough guy. You must own some property in detroit or something.
mrcarterofAR 6 months ago
@MrPontiusPilate Let's see...Flannery O'Connor, William Faulkner, Tennessee Williams, Walker Percy, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Shelby Foote, Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, Nathniel Bedford Forrest, Cormac McCarthy...quite a list of uneducated people isn't it? The North's only significant contribution to america's legacy is Herman Melville and maybe Henry Ford.
BlakeTXHC 6 months ago
@BlakeTXHC
Thomas Edison, Benjamin Franklin, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Henry David Thorough, J. Robert Oppenheimer, John Adams, Carl Sagan, Samuel Morse, Jonas Salk, and unlike some of the people on your list all the people on my list made actual contributions.
MrPontiusPilate 5 months ago
@BlakeTXHC
Fun Facts
1. Flannery OConnor recieved her education for the skill she is most known for in the northern state of Iowa.
2. Nathan Forrest recieved no education at all even though he is on your list of educated southerners.
3. One of Forrest's contributions was the creation of the Klan.
4. Tennessee Williams also recieved higher education in the state of Iowa.
MrPontiusPilate 5 months ago
Robert E Lee may have been born and bred "American" and a hero of the confederate states but he had English blood. Ethnically he was an Englishman, like most "Americans" back then had English and Scots-Irish blood.
EnglishNationalist13 6 months ago
@EnglishNationalist13 My family came from England and Germany and while I cherish my ancestry, I am southern to the bone.
mrcarterofAR 6 months ago
@mrcarterofAR I like that, fair play bud.
EnglishNationalist13 6 months ago
The south lost a long time ago
Quit living in the 18th century
It's 2011
Wake the hell up
It's over
It's been over
dodofrog2 7 months ago
@dodofrog2 I visited Detroit in December. You are right, it's over.
mrcarterofAR 6 months ago
@dodofrog2 so its wrong to respect our past? no shit its 2011, I live like it is 2011. I'm glad the Confedracy lost but its part of my family ancestory. So please, quit trolling. Is it wrong for Americans to respect to respect our past leaders, no it isn't. Although I have noticed that when southerners, which most of their families fought and died for the South, it is considered "backwards" of them. Go to school, get your education, and quit wasting our time.
ForgotteMemories101 6 months ago
@dodofrog2 We are never defeated.
Cionaodh57 6 months ago
I wonder how history will view this man, my guess is that he will be compared to Hannibal.
krisstopher07 7 months ago
@krisstopher07
What are you talking about? He's already compared to Hannibal and has been for a long time.
MrPontiusPilate 6 months ago
Now the bastard can rot back in hell where he came from (the south lost a loooooong time ago)
dodofrog2 7 months ago
@dodofrog2 you can go fuck yourself and not talk about my great great great grandad bastard
2USMCBoy 7 months ago in playlist Civil war
Hats off to the GREATEST American General ever!!
Kicked EVERY yankee general's ass until he ran out of men. If Virginia had not left the so-called union the war would have ben over in a few months. LONG LIVES DIXIE!!!
THE FLAGS STILL FLY!!!
146 YEARS LATER!!!
bluegrassreb1 7 months ago 2
Thank you for putting up this vid. i subbed I admire your work.
RiverBirch1967 7 months ago
Robert e lee is my hero
A true american hero
ihavnoideawotimdoing 7 months ago 12
@ihavnoideawotimdoing I belive you mean confederate hero
Joepaddockvs300 6 months ago
true american hero
southerncountryboy98 7 months ago
portuguese. i am brazilian
SuperOpala4100 7 months ago
i am related to Mr. Robert E. Lee :)
2USMCBoy 7 months ago in playlist Civil war 15
@2USMCBoy no freakin way me to
williams4722 5 months ago
@williams4722 *high5* lol
2USMCBoy 5 months ago
@2USMCBoy Then you will know he is decended from an Ulster Scots Protestant Family, the same as President Jackson, James Bowie & David Crockett (from county Antrim)
Rabmunn 5 months ago
@Rabmunn Ok Rabmunn i don't know alot about his Ancestors etc. i really haven't had enough time to search
2USMCBoy 5 months ago
@2USMCBoy no you aint and lee is a nigger fucker
TThorne931 5 months ago
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@TThorne931 man you wish he was one so you could fuck him
2USMCBoy 5 months ago
@2USMCBoy It's an honour to know you through this YouTube forum , Sir . I wish I can emulate your Great-great-grandfather's ethics , Sir . Greetings from Malaysia !
MrHelmyabdullah 4 months ago
@2USMCBoy I am also on my Great g grandmother side. Campbell family. Marines Vietnam 1968-18 years old. Sons of Confederate Veterans. Semper Fi Dixie
pokysamgg 4 months ago
DEUS SALVE O GENERAL LEE, GRANDE HOMEM,GRANDE LIDER QUE BOM QUE TER HEROIS REAIS QUE LUTARAM POR SUAS CONVICÇOES E PAGARM O PREÇO PELOS SEUS IDEAIS. DESCANCE EM PAZ VELHO SOLDADO ATE UM DIA NOS ENCONTRARMOS DE NOVO !!!!!
SuperOpala4100 7 months ago
@SuperOpala4100 God bless you. Deo Vindice
caion19 7 months ago
@SuperOpala4100 what language is this?
2USMCBoy 7 months ago
Best General in US History
KnightxxArrow 7 months ago
the south tried there best and they lost boo hoo why did they have to lose
MegaRocks9 7 months ago
too all the redneck of the world. this fucker robert e lee is the stupidedt dumbfuck who ever lived. for all the stupid redneck who calls a loser their leader are fuck fag too. the south lost get over it the south will never rise. plus all of the south stinks like shit. why would you live there idk the people are all inbred fuck the love to fuck their own family members. so fuck all redneck people ill come a piss in your ugly face. that wil be the cleanest drink you will ever have
mouatony 7 months ago
Southern Culture -- we believe strongly in what we believe to be true, we believe in freedom and God -- we are willing to die defending our beliefs ==== kinda of like the original forefathers no ?
Yizlanu 7 months ago
@Yizlanu Absolutely!!!!
Cionaodh57 7 months ago
Francis Marion "The Swamp Fox " --- founder of guerella (sp ? ) warfare ------
from S Carolina ---- and a great American Revolutionary leader ------ and a Southerner !!!!
Yizlanu 7 months ago
Lee was a gentleman and a great military leader---
Grant was the Union's second choice for their general ----
Lee was their first choice ---- enough said :)
Yizlanu 7 months ago
@Yizlanu It was only a matter of seniority. Lee was pretty old, he died not long after the war ended.
borbo23 7 months ago
@borbo23 ohh I see -- uhhuh -- Lee was a graduate of West Point I believe ( technically a Southern institution btw, my friend :) )-- was Grant ??
Yizlanu 7 months ago
@Yizlanu Yes, Grant was a West Point graduate.
Most military academies were in the South, it was a very militant culture.
borbo23 7 months ago
@borbo23 actually i was wrong lol and I admit it --- I'm a southerner and I have honor :)
West Point is in New York ( we should've annexed it :) ) The Citadel is in the south -- S Carolina ====
yes we have a military tradition -- the south was colonized from the p[eopel from Scotland and Ireland in a large part -- just listen to our tradintional blugrass music and instruments, as well as our dances --- mostly Irish :) and didn't the Irish and Scots not particularly like the Engish ?
Yizlanu 7 months ago
@borbo23 Irish and Scottish fighters al the way :) === come and visti the South sometime === talk to it's people -- don't believe sterotypes
Yizlanu 7 months ago
@borbo23 Incorrect! He was recognized for his military accomplishments in the war with Mexico, having earned several brevets in that service.
caion19 7 months ago
@caion19 Lee? That was a lopsided war at best, pure imperialism, and something to be ashamed of, not proud of.
borbo23 7 months ago
How bizarre that people venerate such an incompetent man. He wasted so many of his own men's lives needlessly.
borbo23 7 months ago
@borbo23 Incompetent? Lee is heralded worldwide, by any military scholar you care to name, as a genius in both tactics and in leadership qualities. You do yourself a disservice and an embarrassment by stating this nonsense. Rather, you should point out the absurdity of northern generals, like McClellan, Hooker, Fremont, Burnside and many many others who forced their soldiers into the well aimed, accurate and persistent fire of southern men who often had no shoes.
Cionaodh57 7 months ago
@Cionaodh57 No, actually. He's not. He's considered a mediocre general by military historians who don't have an agenda.
But I entirely agree that early Union commanders were incompetent - it's just that Lee's mediocrity appears great in comparison. As soon as he faced Meade, himself a decent general at best, he lost very badly. As soon as he faced Grant, a far superior general, he lost consistently, and the war ended within a year.
borbo23 7 months ago
@borbo23 Give Lee Grants men and supplies and Grant Lee's men and supplies and see how they do. I think Grant himself would not want that situation.
Cionaodh57 7 months ago
@Cionaodh57 Contradistinctively, Lee would have preferred, I think, to have kept his men.
Cionaodh57 7 months ago
@borbo23 On the assertion that Lee is considered a mediocre general, you are factually incorrect. Please name these "military historians" who do not have an agenda. Please name each one. The United States Military Academy at West Point certainly considers him one of their very finest graduates.
Cionaodh57 7 months ago
@Cionaodh57 And yet the consider Grant far better - Vicksburg campaign is considered "the best campaign ever conducted on American soil".
As for who thinks he's mediocre, I'll throw you a name - Sir John Keegan. I'll give you more if you are able to actually show any evidence.
borbo23 7 months ago
@Cionaodh57 Lee does not deserve this worship - it was not organic, but invented after the war, as part of the Lost Cause myth, to exonerate the South of its failures as a society and militarily.
borbo23 7 months ago
@borbo23 Scholarly criticism of General Lee after the close of the war was not especially critical, especially among southerners. But southerners are not the only ones. Northern generals & military historians especially those who fought against Gen Lee and The Army of Northern Virginia regarded him as both a warrior and a gentleman. As innovative as he was maneuvering his army & deceiving his enemy he did not think outside the normal constraints of Napoleonic warfare, as General Jackson did.
Cionaodh57 7 months ago
@Cionaodh57 Innovative? Have you even read a book about this? He was not innovative in the slightest. The Confederacy WAS innovative in some ways, but not Lee. He was an 18th-century tactician fighting a war for a 17th-century agenda.
And frankly, I'll judge for myself what's "gentlemanly". I don't think betraying a sacred oath to your country and levying war against her, illegally keeping slaves who were freed and whipping them for trying to do what they were legally entitled to do was-
borbo23 7 months ago
@borbo23 Aha---in this you reveal yourself for who you are: a fly-by-night casual reader of history who knows little or nothing about the period. You are a fraud. But hey, it's a free country; and YouTube does not screen credentials before you can post something. Lee was certainly a gentleman. He is also on record as deploring slavery, not only in the South, but everywhere. And according to the 10th Amendment to the US Const Virginia was a sovereign state to which his first allegiance belonged.
Cionaodh57 7 months ago
@Cionaodh57 A nice attempt to discredit me, but you forgot one vital thing - actually proving it.
I guess you just didn't know that Lee inherited slaves from his father-in-law - whose will ordered them freed. Instead, Lee kept them enslaved to pay off debts (whipping some who thought they were free and tried to leave, including a young woman), then kept them longer than the will legally allowed.
But hey, I'm a "casual reader of history", so what do I know?
Go eat crow, amadan.
borbo23 7 months ago
@Cionaodh57 Also, Lee did dislike slavery, but considered it a "necessary evil" because he thought blacks were little more than savages. Amazing how taking things out of context can improve them, isn't it?
borbo23 7 months ago
@borbo23 For the southern economy up to 1865 it was certainly a necessary evil. Southern wealth was primarily invested in and was dependent upon slave labor. Just as it had been in New England states prior to 1836. But Lee's views on the black slaves were no different than was Abraham Lincoln's, or Ulysses Grant's, or especially General William T. Sherman. And you are a casual reader of history, supplemented with a few Google searches to bolster your opinions...
Cionaodh57 7 months ago
@Cionaodh57 Wow, apparently you're a psychic wannabe. It so happens I have referred to several books, but nothing online whatsoever.
And no, um, Lincoln, Grant, and even Sherman did not consider it a "necessary evil" or that blacks were savages. They all disliked slavery (especially Lincoln and Grant).
You're just an idiot. I'm actually laughing at you and sending your words out to other people who are laughing at your stupidity as well. Thank you for the entertainment.
borbo23 7 months ago
@borbo23 Once again you are factually incorrect. Lincoln, Grant and Sherman each thought it preferable to deport those of African descent back to Africa, and each regarded them as little better than savages, which is why the colony of Liberia was formed and which ultimately proved unsuccessful to manage the mass deportation of former slaves to Africa. Most of them preferred to stay, though some did go and Liberias current citizenry consists of descendants of former slaves.
Cionaodh57 7 months ago
@Cionaodh57 Everything you say is incorrect, and I am forced to fix it-and then you just move on to the next stupidity.
Lincoln did suggest the idea of colonizing freed slaves in Liberia, but that was because he feared violence between the races (well-founded, as Southerners did murder black civilians). His suggestion was for a voluntary move, not deportation - learn your own language. He dropped the idea when there was little interest in it. You're making a mountain out of a pebble.
borbo23 7 months ago
@borbo23 I am not incorrect, but you are. Lincoln deplored slavery and also disliked blacks. He wanted them deported to Liberia.
Cionaodh57 7 months ago
@Cionaodh57 Lincoln had more respect for blacks than pretty much any of his contemporaries. Nearly everyone was racist then, by modern standards, but Lincoln was remarkably less so than most at that time. I believe it was Frederick Douglas who commented that Lincoln treated him with the respect of an equal.
Don't mistake some of Lincoln's early-war comments to Democrats designed to keep support for the war for his feelings on the subject. People always love to quote him out of context.
borbo23 7 months ago
@Cionaodh57 The best thing you could do for me would be to keep going. :) I could use the laughs.
borbo23 7 months ago
@borbo23 I am glad we can be mutually entertaining
Cionaodh57 7 months ago
@Cionaodh57 -"gentlemanly" in the slightest.
It was entirely southerners who invented this infallibility around him; Lee undermined Confederate manpower with senseless attacks, as well as Confederate strategy.
The Confederacy only had to not lose to win - Lee went for the win, which proved very costly.
borbo23 7 months ago
@borbo23 The Lost Cause was not a myth. It was a grindingly hard fact of daily life among those who not only fought and survived the war, but daily existence in a region that was occupied by those same enemy forces and in which the economy had collapsed to an almost subsistence level in much of the region. Lee was a hero to the men who fought under him, during and after the war. Jackson's tactics were superior; but Lee's almost won the war for the South as it was.
Cionaodh57 7 months ago
@Cionaodh57 There was no Confederate ideology by the end of the war; it fell apart after Gettysburg and Vicksburg. The only thing that held it together was internal security - ie, there was no glorious "Lost Cause", it was astroturf.
And while the South did suffer because of their war, the North also financed its Reconstruction and ALMOST succeeded in saving it from its own ineptitude and bigotry. It was the north who built roads, railroads and schools, and much more.
borbo23 7 months ago
@borbo23 In this again you show your colors. You know little of the English language, let alone this period of US history. Southern "Confederate" ideology persisted long after the war; it persists to this very day. Even the state of Vermont has an active secessionist movement, but for different reasons than the contiguous southern states back in 1860. But hey, this is fun; I can go as long as you want.
Cionaodh57 7 months ago
@Cionaodh57 Funny, about the ideology, I was quoting James McPherson, this generations pre-eminent Civil War historian. If you want anyone to do more than laugh at you for challenging his assertion with no evidence, I suggest you become professor of history at one of the world's best universities.
borbo23 7 months ago
@borbo23 To the contrary, I suggest you misquoted him at best. It is laughable to assert that Confederate ideology vanished after the war. The only thing that ended was the ability of Confederate soldiers to wage war against Unionist armies. Again, you show your ignorance of English vocabulary: ideology refers to the realm of ideas, which could not die. If Mr. McPherson said as much, then that is a discredit to him as well.
Cionaodh57 7 months ago
@Cionaodh57 I didn't say it vanished after the war - I said it vanished DURING the war, learn to read. It was a "reign of terror" (in the words of the Richmond Whig) that kept it going after that.
To say they only lost because they couldn't keep fighting is ridiculous - many, many peoples have kept fighting in worse situations. Southerners just had no will to keep fighting, over half their armies deserted during the last year of the war.
borbo23 7 months ago
@borbo23 "There was no Confederate ideology by the end of the war; it fell apart after Gettysburg and Vicksburg. The only thing that held it together was internal security - ie, there was no glorious "Lost Cause", it was astroturf." Your words, not mine. And you did not say it vanished, which would also be laughable.
Cionaodh57 7 months ago
@Cionaodh57 BY the end. Not after. There's an important distinction there, especially since I specifically say when this occurred; immediately after Vicksburg and Gettysburg. I guess you don't know the war's timeline?
In this context, vanishing and falling apart are synonymous. The ideology was contradictory and could not last in practice; the Confederacy defeated itself with its own contradictions as much as it was taken apart by Union armies. It was all a pipe dream, which is why it failed.
borbo23 7 months ago
@borbo23 If you are referring to the ideology of "States Rights" in the context of the US Constitution, and how those "states rights" were practiced in the war, then you are correct to a degree. An example of which was the unfortunate practice of food and supplies languishing in Atlanta warehouses when the Army of Tennessee desperately needed them, yet they were earmarked for the Army of Northern Virginia.
Cionaodh57 7 months ago