Fox on PATRIOT: A Video Fisking

[usintelreport]

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[9thunknownman]

A good video pointing out a small bit of Fox's typically shoddy and unprofessional fact checking. However, you really ought to find yourself a better backdrop than the living room.

[mexicointhe209]

if you watch FOX news then you too must be stupid because of these so called "reports" they put out to the public

[mexicointhe209]

honestly FOX has to be the dumest news program on t.v. because of all the dumbass shit they fucking say. why dont people watch a news that get their news from abc,nbc,cbs,cnn. at least they get their news right instead of causing big ass aguements in theur own country that have been proven one way instead of another

[ILIADsOdyssey]

...your "facts" are partial facts.

Read the actual stuff.

[utubefavorsdems]

Obama has to go!

[ryanshaunkelly]

NEW RED DAWN MOVIE

United States of Israel.

Treasury is Bankrupt.

American Holocaust.

9/11 False Flag.

James Blunt,

No Bravery

[PHenry500]

Wow. Looking at Jason's house and my house, I see that clutter/messiness and genius are universal.  :D

[TylerNull]

POLL:

1. Do you think the 1,400 yr long Islamic plague that is warring against all of mankind should be stopped?

2. Do you think submitting to the Muslim crusaders is "peace"?

3. Do you think mankind should be more aggressive in fighting back?

4. Do you think criminalizing the act of national defense is treasonous?

5. Do you think President Bush missed an opportunity to sprinkle hydrogen bombs like confetti across W. Asia & N. Africa in late September of 2001?

[PHenry500]

Do I think that the Islamists left us the hell alone before the Cold War and our meddling? Yep. Let's go back to THAT.

[TylerNull]

OUR meddling?

Muslim crusaders now occupy all Christian holy lands, to use their lingo, from Cairo to Constantinople, most Jewish holy lands, and many such lands of many other people and religions, as the Islamic plague wars on the rest of humanity, and yet dhimmi Kafir keep blaming everyone else.

Do snap out of it.

[PHenry500]

Christian Holy Lands? Are you kidding me?

"Thou shalt have no other gods before Me."

Since when are "holy lands" important? They've pretty much always been there, pal. Islam is the world's second-largest religion and only trails Christianity by about 20 million in numbers. Since their religion is centered on those "holy lands" and Christianity isn't, odds are they're going to "occupy" them.

[TylerNull]

"Are you kidding me?" -- YOU echoed their claims, I'm merely using their lingo to demonstrate how back-ass-wards you got it.

As for "important", if they're not important, then the Muslims wouldn't have waged crusades to conquer them. In other words, yes, land is "important", and I trust you're not dumb enough to not know that. Is there any point on Earth that you consider important enough to defend?

Your blather remains entirely aligned with the Islamic crusaders, which is my broader point.

[PHenry500]

1) have you been to these "holy lands?" They're desert with zero to offer anyone except those dumb enough to think that some magic, invisible man (er...god) declared them "holy."

2) my blather is aligned with reality and I don't believe in "crusading" against someone over religion.

If you want so much to go kill Muslims, then get your own PRIVATE army and do so. Don't force me to pay for, help, or do anything on your behalf in your CRUSADE against Islam.

[TylerNull]

1) My personal travel history doesn't change the historical record or geography of the Christian, Jewish, Hindu and such holy lands occupied by Muslim crusaders who continue to war against all people of all religions across the globe.

2.) I don't give a rat's ass about your personal beliefs, nor do they change the fact that the Islamic plague is an ongoing 1,400+ year-long crusade against all of mankind.

Your nonsensical attempts to portray your Muslim comrades as the victim is insightful.

[PHenry500]

I've already addressed why MUSLIMS occupy those lands. That's where they're FROM, you dolt. They fucking goddamn live there, you dipshit. They didn't "conquer" it, there was no "crusade." They are THERE.

I hav eyet to see any "Islamic plague." AlI see is a fake Christian "plague" by a bunch of so-called Christians who sully the Christian name by acting like warmongering non-Christians.

In other words, I hope you don't pretend to be a Christian. You aren't. Stupid goy.

[TylerNull]

".... that's where they're FROM, ..."

As were, and are. Christians, Jews, Hindu, Pagan, ... and all others against whom Muslims waged war and now occupy. Indeed some still remain, and live in dissimilitude.

"They didn't conquer it, there was no crusade"

There is no excuse for the immaculate ignorance you so clearly demonstrated thereby.

[GareTuup2]

1) Christians went on the biggest and most bloody crusades ever. Not the Muslims.

2)What plague? lol

3) Muslims are a victim of their own believes. Free speech does not apply in too many Muslim countries, wich limited them from growing in literature, science and more.

[TylerNull]

1) Wrong -- both in duration and the numbers killed. In fact, the Christian crusades were but a brief, failed attempt to fight back after the Islamic crusaders had already conquered much of what was Christendom.

2) The aforementioned.

3) True. Thus my suggestion that you stop trying to apologize for them.

[GareTuup2]

Im not apologizing for anyone, im just stating my opinion.

Every city the Christians took back, they killed everyone inside, everyone. It was even so that the crusaders got rid of their "sins" immidiately when killing others. Sounds like a Jihad to me, but ok.

Again, im not defending anyone, just stating what's true.

[TylerNull]

Your is more mythology, not history.

Beyond that, the Christian "Jihad" lasted a few hundred years and was a reaction to an ongoing Islamic "Jihad". The Islamic crusades never stopped.

Yes, you are apologizing for them. Specifically, by reciting outrageous lies to make the Christian crusades so much more than they were, ignoring what caused them, and while only referring to Muslims as "victims".

[GareTuup2]

Ok, seriously, you should stop saying that im apologizing for anyone. Did i say that who did what ever was justified or rightious? No, i did not.

I did say they're victims of their own believes, only to prove a point about cause and effect. But that had nothing to do with any crusades.

Im starting to think that you only come here to enforce an opinion on someone. But, what ever.

[TylerNull]

The historical record is a bit more than an "opinion". Your ignorance and rejection of it continues to impress.

[errorchimp]

Just so we're clear here, by "Christendom" are you referring to the lands conquered by the Roman Empire?

So somehow the people who occupied those lands before the empire don't count, and it's those evil evil Islamists who are to blame for trying to reclaim them?

And on a side note, why is _Cairo_ so "holy" to Christianity anyway?

[TylerNull]

Before?

Learn the chronology of the religions you are attempting to discuss. Christianity is older than Islam.

[errorchimp]

Yes, before. Becoming Islamic didn't magically make them genetically different. They're still the same people who inhabited the lands before.

My point is that you seem to believe that christians have some sort of natural right to rule over so-called "Christendom" when it was, in fact, built on exactly the sort of savage expansionism you abhor when it happens to be performed by a religion you disdain.

Learn some history yourself.

[TylerNull]

Your "point" is a lie.

In any context and by every measure, there is no reasoned basis to equivocate between the Roman Empire and the warring tribes of Muslims; between Christendom and Islam; between the 300 yr long Christian crusades and the ongoing 1,400 yr long Muslim crusades.

Worse yet, your political kind manages to go beyond equivocating, to recite the Muslim claims that WE occupy THEIR holy lands, and do so to blame their victims.

Your lie doesn't even withstand its own idiocy.

[errorchimp]

Why? They both conquered lands. The Muslims, however, have one moral advantage in that they're taking back lands that were ancestrally theirs.

And we DO occupy their holy lands, and that DOES have consequences. Did you never learn Bin Laden's reasons for his hatred of America? (Hint: it has to do with our occupation of Muslim holy lands, specifically Saudi Arabia.)

So, in addition to Cairo, can you please explain why Saudi Arabia is part of "Christian holy lands"?

[TylerNull]

More of your lies.

SPECIFICALLY:

Muslims cannot "take back" the Jewish and Christian lands from the Jews and Christians that were there prior to Islam.

Thus, your bogus "moral advantage" claims and bogus occupation claims make you another lying Muslim apologist.

Socialists & Muslims -- Life Partners

[errorchimp]

Wow, you really are very slow, aren't you?

Ethnically, they are the descendants of the original inhabitants.

Thus, they have more right to it than the Romans did.

It's a very simple point. It says a lot that you can't even grasp it.

[TylerNull]

Your "point" is to muddle contrivances in an attempt to deny reality.

Ethnically, genetically, theologically, and by any and every other categorization, under whatever government authorities came and went across the ages, Jews and Christians were the "original inhabitants" of those lands now occupied by Muslim crusaders.

Thus, you are simply wrong. Again.

[errorchimp]

There is no evidence that Jews ever ruled over lands outside Palestine, and they control much of it again. Early Christians were almost entirely gentile transplants from the Roman Empire (the notability of the rare exceptions, like the native Egyptian Origen, just highlight the extreme rarity).

I'm still waiting to hear why you think Cairo and Saudia Arabia are "Christian holy lands". This should be funny.

[TylerNull]

"There is no evidence ..." for your notions.

I detailed many times in many ways the simple fact that Muslims occupy Christian and Jewish holy lands. Clearly, you are NOT "waiting to hear" or otherwise allowing reality to seep into your world.

Your endless attempts to portray Muslims as the victims and their victims as the aggressor demonstrate an unhappy mix of ignorance & depravity.

[errorchimp]

No, you provided no details. You just made bland assertions and expected everyone to take your word for it. That's expected; it's how frothing right-wing nuts work, after all: bloviate and hope nobody calls you on it. Thanks for letting me know why I shouldn't bother anymore.

[TylerNull]

Thanks for demonstrating Muslim apologists have less intellectual honesty of Muslims.

[errorchimp]

Oh, also whining "lie, lie, lie" doesn't do much on its own. Try offering some specifics.

Here's an example:

You, TylerNull, are a lying fanatic by putting the Christian crusades at only 300 years. Doing so ignores all the many instances of Christian persecution of other faiths, the Islamic equivalent of which you count as part of Islam's "crusade" against us. See, for example, the expulsion of the Moors from Spain, the Inquisition, pogroms, the Holocaust, etc.

Xtianity's crusade never ended.

[TylerNull]

Your historical illiteracy is as impressive as your socialist mythology.

The Holocaust refers to the pagan socialists of World War II Germany. Not surprisingly, such fascists were aligned with Islam as much so then as they are now.

The remainder of your gibberish is equally specious. It's notable that atheist-socialists are the ones who most vocally, and most illogically, apologize for & otherwise assist the fascist plague of Islam.

Socialists & Muslims -- Life Partners

[errorchimp]

"pagan socialists of World War II Germany"

You mean the ones who proudly wore "Gott Mit Uns" on their belts? The majority Christian country, roughly evenly divided between Roman Catholics and Protestants? The country that was home to the vile anti-semitic writings of Martin Luther and the marginalization and persecution of jews long before Hitler was even born?

Perhaps we're thinking of two different Germanys: I'm thinking of the one in the real world, and yours is somewhere on Planet Batshit.

[TylerNull]

Now you muddle the pagan socialist political theology of Nazism with their pragmatic tactics.

In his book, "Mein Kampf", Hitler denounces Christianity as a "spiritual terror", against what he saw as the much better "pagan alters".

The Swastika is a pagan symbol. Nazis traveled around the world, engaged in archaeology, and feverishly worked on inventing a pagan mythology for their "master race" and propping it all up with scientific hoaxes, much like today's socialists.

[errorchimp]

Yes, the "pragmatic tactics" being, "whipping up the centuries-old, ingrained history of European anti-semitism in the average, Christian German."

Hitler and his cronies had their own wacky religion, it's true. But they never would have succeeded without a nation of millions who were willing to blame their troubles on the people who "killed Christ." This is well-documented (see, "Hitler's Willing Executioners", among others).

[TylerNull]

Again you muddle. Only now you do so to pretend you didn't grasp the context.

You pointed out that German citizens were Christians when Hitler came to power. Thus, you are necessarily aware that Hitler couldn't have instantaneously converted them to his bizarre brand of pagan-socialism.

Thus, my comment regarding "pragmatic tactics". That is, not immediately and completely persecuting their churches.

Blaming Christianity for the pagan-socialism of Nazi Germany is nonsensical.

[errorchimp]

You're pretending that anti-semitism didn't exist before Hitler, that it had nothing to do with Christianity, and that it didn't motivate the Nazi persecution of the Jews at all.

I think that says everything worth saying about your honesty, level of knowledge, and/or sanity.

[TylerNull]

Your notions of "pretending" are "all you", as they say. I merely steered you back to the context of the topic at hand.

You posted the lunatic assertion that Nazi Germany was a part of the Christian Crusades, so I addressed your idiocy.

Even within your own context of your own diversion, it's Muslims -- not Christians, German or otherwise -- who are warring against Jews and occupying their lands for 1,400+ years.

Your Muslim apologist blather crumbles under the slightest of inspections.

[errorchimp]

No, I'm arguing by YOUR crack-brained standards, loonytunes. By any standard by which you want to claim that Muslims have been perpetuating a "crusade" for the last 1,400 years, Christians fail by the exact same standards by their actions against other religions.

Muslims persecuted Jews and Christians, yes, but Christians do the same. To claim a 1,400-year Islamic "crusade" is to tacitly admit to a 2,000-year crusade by Christians, by exactly the same yardstick.

[TylerNull]

"The Führer is deeply religious, though completely anti-Christian; he views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so. It is a branch of the Jewish race." - Joseph Goebbels' diary, Dec 28, 1939.

(Sounds like Ahmajinedad, doesn't it?)

Actually, it bolsters one my points. Then, as now, whether of pagan- or Atheist- socialist sects, socialists sound Muslim, not Christian. Thus, your notions fail again. As they do by any reasoned account. By any measure, whether exact or inexact.

[errorchimp]

Yawn. Can you at least say something I hadn't already stated and refuted above? Prove that you know how to read, at least?

Hitler didn't kill 6 million jews all by himself. He played on the longstanding, CHRISTIAN anti-semitism that was eliminationist in its rhetoric before Hitler was even born. Hitler co-opted it to sway people into his cult.

I'd repeat my recommendation to read Hitler's Willing Executioners since it's amply documented there, but you have trouble just reading YT comments...

[errorchimp]

And it should be noted that the book notes that many of Hitler's trigger-pullers weren't Aryan cultists at all (always a minority outside the SS and other higher ranks) but good Xtians who thought that nice Mr. Hitler had a point about those dirty Christ-killing Jews.

And none of it refutes my larger point which was that Europe (not just Germany) spent CENTURIES persecuting the Jews, torturing them, forcing conversions, driving them out of Spain, France, England, etc.

[TylerNull]

I use what's documented of their socialist war machine, of its ruthless leaders. You use some guy's theory of a dominant source of feelings of people obeying such leaders.

It was Christian "trigger-pullers" who fought back against the socialist plague you absolve. Take your blinders off. The fact is that socialist labor union leaders ran amuck. Christians stopped them & restored peace.

Contrarily, Islam runs amuck globally, unopposed by any facet of Islam, and for 1,400+ yrs ongoing.

[errorchimp]

Bahahaha, the labor unions were _communist_ you dolt, they and the Nazis hated each other. Hitler rose to power by exploiting fear of communism and the unions, and once in power, he abolished the unions and replaced them with one Nazi-controlled union.

Quelle surprise, you're ignorant of even this century's history and you think the Nazis were "socialist".

[TylerNull]

Acknowledging that such totalitarians establish themselves as THE union, THE authority, you just refuted your own contrivance. Yes, socialists tend to criminalize the competition to whatever extent is practical at the moment, whether of left-wing socialists (communist) or right-wing socialists (fascists). And, yes, each wing, sect, or tribe thereof tends to hate and war on the others. Again, similar to Islam. So, what?

Beyond your flawed distraction, you completely avoided my point, giggler.

[errorchimp]

Gosh, Ty-Ty, isn't it funny, then, that the co-opted form of Christianity established by the Nazis "was careful to stress that Positive Christianity need not contradict the traditional theologies of established churches"?

"Positive Christianity grew out of the Higher Criticism of the nineteenth century ... some writers reconstructed a historical Jesus who corresponded to anti-Semitic ideology."

(Wiki entry for "Positive Christianity".)

As I've been saying.

Historical literacy counts!

[TylerNull]

Keep reading -- they "co-opted" science, too.

Yes, socialists have a rich history of transmuting ideas to serve their totalitarian bent, e.g., Darwinism. Well noted.

Therefore, you must throw BOTH Christianity AND science under the bus; worshiping at the alter of an immaculate socialism.

Either that, or you can acknowledge reality; NEITHER science NOR Christianity are to blame. Rather, the blame goes to the hoax-filled, Islam-favoring, political theologies of pagan- & Atheist- socialism.

[errorchimp]

Holy HELL, Ty-Ty, just how monumentally thick ARE you? I have been saying all along that the anti-semitism in WWII Germany was NOT the sole property of, or a perversion by, the Nazis, but the result of nearly 2000 years of *mainstream* Christian anti-semitism! (Wiki "Antisemitism in patristics")

Pay attention and read a real book, for once in your life!

(PS, religion, history and science stand on their factual merits. Evolution succeeds, Xtianity fails to meet even the loosest standards.)

[TylerNull]

Your attempt to mask your exposed idiocy by expanding its scope out to 2 millenia FAILS.

Anyway, it's ironic that you lean so heavily on the Jews in your lunatic attempts to absolve the two totalitarian plagues most murderous of them -- Islam & socialism. More so since you do so through a barrage of nonsensical smears of the religion that most opposes such totalitarians -- Christianity.

This entire thread is a chronicle of the chasm between reality and what you've been "saying all along".

[errorchimp]

"Failed" how, exactly? It's clear that you haven't understood a single syllable I've typed and can't follow a conversation thread, much less even _attempted_ to address Christianity's 2000-year history of persecution of Judaism and other religions. Which I will keep waving in front of your clueless face.

PS, in regards to "totalitarianism", your ignorance shines through once again. Xtianity has always been very big on totalitarianism, what with its Popes and Inquisitions and mass expulsions.

[TylerNull]

"I will keep waving in front of your clueless face."

- that Christians stopped the pagan- & Atheist- socialists from exterminating mankind?

- that socialists are totalitarians who market their toxic mysticism via hoaxes & obfuscation?

- that Islam is an ongoing 1,400+ yr crusade against mankind, occupying Jewish & Christian holy lands from Cairo to Constantinople, while Muslims & socialists proselytize a near-perfect inversion of that reality?

Oh, wait, those were MY points. Keep waving.

[errorchimp]

The same points I keep challenging you over, which you run away from?

Oh yeah, those.

Yawn.

Keep blustering, clueless little coward. It's clear you are not the slightest bit equipped for any sort of fact-based conversation.

Keep wetting the bed in fear that every Muslim, everywhere, is coming for your podunk ass. Nighty night!

[TylerNull]

Not only do you not "challenge", but you scurry when exposed, then rant, and then lapse into a stupor.

"

Keep reading -- they "co-opted" science, too.

... Therefore, you must throw BOTH Christianity AND science under the bus

... or you can acknowledge reality; NEITHER science NOR Christianity are to blame. Rather, the blame goes to the hoax-filled, Islam-favoring, political theologies of pagan- & Atheist- socialism.

" -- TylerNull

It's one facet of your "2,000 yr" gibberish -- ADDRESS IT.

[errorchimp]

... wow.

My answer was right under that post, Ty-Ty. Ask your mommy to help you with the big words.

[TylerNull]

You "answer" was to scurry from that one event -- The Holocaust -- of your vague multi-millennium equivocation by merely reciting your original multi-millennium claim yet again --- "...the result of nearly 2000 years of...".

That's known as avoiding the point, not addrressing the point. "Wow", indeed.

ADDRESS the point.

[errorchimp]

My point was clear to anyone who could read, follow a conversation, or even think logically... *sigh*, okay, VERY simple now:

1. You were trying to claim the Nazis' anti-semitism was "pagan" and not Christian in origin;

2. I alluded to the article on Positive Christinaity I previously ref'd, which drew a direct connection to 19th century XTIAN anti-semitic theologians,

3. who in turn drew on Martin Luther and all the way back to the early church fathers (many of whom were anti-semitic).

[errorchimp]

4. (not to mention all those Christian incidents of persecution of other faiths, mostly Jewish: pogroms, expulsions, inquisitions/forced conversions, marginalization, etc.)

5. The German public remained Xtian; the longstanding anti-semitism was the hook to draw them in.

6. And in my parenthetical note, the derivation of anti-semitic ideals from Xtianity (or evolution) doesn't make Xtianity itself false. I never said it did, nor does anyone else. Those concepts stand or fall on the *evidence*.

[TylerNull]

Now you're muddling everything into one big wad across the millennium.

THE HOLOCAUST:

Before your socialist labor leaders took control, the Jews and Gypsies and cripples were doing fine.

Two years earlier they were doing fine.

Five years earlier they were doing fine.

All under your supposedly Jew Hating Christians.

EVERYTHING SUDDENLY CHANGED when your socialist labor leaders took over.

Stop millennium hopping.

ADDRESS the point.

[errorchimp]

"socialist labor leaders"

Good grief. We've already been over this! The labor union leaders were Communists (all Jewish, furthermore) and opposed to the Nazis. The Nazis were a _political party_, not a labor union.

Second, no, Jews weren't "just fine", they were still regularly discriminated against and resented. There were frequent lootings of Jewish-owned businesses, and occasional racially-motivated attacks.

It is laughably ignorant to pretend that anti-semitism cropped up overnight.

[TylerNull]

All you do there was to detail, again, your co-opted-Christianity point, which I not only addressed --- I RELIED ON IT TO MAKE MY POINT.

Address my point, please.

[errorchimp]

...so you didn't understand my point. At all. Even when I spelled it all right out for you. Amazing.

Sorry. Them's the facts. Cry some more if it helps.

[TylerNull]

You confuse historical events -- "the facts" -- with theories of people's motivations during the course of their occurrence.

I demonstrated that your theories are internally inconsistent, and also pointed to the historical record to show that, even if we accept your idiocies, they contradict history.

[errorchimp]

Weird. I've never heard of anyone referring to their historical ignorance as "the historical record." You're a funny little boy.

The book "The Jews In Weimar Germany" should help fill in some of the gaps in your "record". You can even look it up on Google Books! Here's a li'l teaser:

"More dangerous was the dissemination of voelkisch notions by trusted spiritual leaders. There were cases of pastors handing out anti-Jewish pamphlets to members of confirmation classes..."

[errorchimp]

More from The Jews in Weimar Germany:

"If moderate Judeophobia made it easier for Protestants to tolerate radical racism, its most pernicious result was to prepare some of them to endorse nazism. ...

"It was precisely this kind of thinking that in 1931 led a bishop of the Evangelical church, Heinrich Rendtorff of Mecklenburg-Schwerin, to declare his support for nazism as a movement that promoted the idea of brotherhood!"

[errorchimp]

To be fair, German anti-semitism was as much political/economic as it was religious, but that's the way it's been throughout history, whether practiced by Christians or Muslims. Inquisitions (like witch-burnings) allowed the church to "conveniently" take control of the victims' land and possessions, and the Turkish invasion of the holy lands was as much about empire-building and regaining more "local" political control.

Really, religion is a political tool, and a dangerous, irrational one.

[TylerNull]

Your 4 post portrayal is fluff.

Anti-whoever FEELINGS are ubiquitous; socialists give them federal MUSCLE. Germany, before Nazism, was more peaceful & viable than Chicago is today. Christians & Jews alike thrived, clergy preached, children were taught (real) science & (real) history, cripples, & retards were aided, gypsies roamed, & queers sodomized in bathhouses. The pagan- & Atheist- socialism of Hitler & Mussolini CHANGEd all that.

Your Atheist mysticism REQUIRES you to muddle & equivocate.

[errorchimp]

Hee hee. Documented historical occurrences are "fluff."

You're precious, little Ty-Ty.

"cripples, & retards were aided"

Pining for better times? (That was thanks to socialized medicine, by the way.)

Anyway, feel free to document anything you've said with actual sources, and not your usual bluster and wishful thinking. I've already documented what the clergy were "preaching" at the time, and the books I've recommended are full of events, not "feelings." Try a little literacy.

[TylerNull]

Sources? Boasting of your ignorance doesn't quite refute my point.

However, one reason we know that such people were THRIVING in Germany before the socialist's labor union party -- N.A.Z.I. party -- took over is that Germany was so "infested" with such "Life unworthy of life", to use the lingo of your socialized-medicine-adoring comrades of the day, that the socialists had to construct things called "concentration camps" in which to herd MILLIONS of them to fulfill their "Final Solution".

[errorchimp]

Gotta say, Ty-Ty, I am enjoying your ever-deeper slide into incoherency. Do you like socialized medicine or not? You were so approving of its care for the "cripples & retards" before!

I see you still don't know what a labor union is, either.

Also, the mere fact that there were still Jews there (~500,000, or less than 1% of Germany's pop.) is not a refutation of centuries of documented violence and discrimination, Ty-Ty. But then, you and logic have never been on speaking terms.

[TylerNull]

The only ones rejecting the history and wisdom that there never was and never will be an earthly Utopia are socialist mystics, ironically. What I refuted are their mythic portrayals & conclusions to which you cling.

Earlier, I exposed their illogical core. (Notably, that's where your "Ty-Ty" baby talk began.) My last post merely demonstrates, again, how your socialist mythology doesn't even pass the common sense test. Find a less idiotic way to blame Christianity & defend Islam, Atheist.

[errorchimp]

Oh, Tyler, honey, if you want to be treated like a big boy then you should act like one. Lying, responding to all contradictory evidence by plugging your ears and going "LALALA", and now lying again about the parameters of the argument and trying to hide your incompetence and ignorance... tsk

This is worse than the time you told us "a man in a turban" crawled through your window and wet your bed! Your father and I were so disappointed, dear.

That reminds me, your mattress should be dry by now.

[Doc418]

I saw the original fox report, and I couldn't believe my ears with the things Bill Sammon, or whatever his name is, and the host were saying. Good job by Mr. Sanchez.

[TylerNull]

BRICK BY BRICK

"

We should totally dismantle every intelligence agency in this country piece by piece, brick by brick, nail by nail.

"

-- Ron Dellums (D), House Select Committee on Intelligence, 1980

From the peanut farmer (Carter) to the horny-hick (Clinton), Democrats worked for decades to damage our national security.

A full 8 years of criminalizing the act of national defense, & after their victory of 9/11, it's a bit late for that partisan hack to try to cover for his treasonous party.

[Doc418]

Thank you for your completely incoherent and idiotic opinion.

[TylerNull]

Reality is a bit more than "opinion". And you are NOT welcome to ignore the point by venting your feral rage against the one who made it.

[Doc418]

I am welcome to ignore it because it isn't based in fact. It is just based on you basically ranting about something you don't understand.

[TylerNull]

You Hopey-Changey mystics wouldn't know a fact if it was quoted verbatim from the U.S. Congressional Record and used to bitch-slap you back into reality.

[elitebanktyranny]

Hey how about this... CNN and Fox News are both lying to us.

Abolish the Patriot Act it's fucking disgusting.

[TBlake34]

Nice work. A clear, reasoned debunking.

You also, once again, brought us to the eternal question of modern conservative politics: are they lying or are they stupid?

The video argues in favor of stupid, and strangely, that's the less stringent stance to take. I would say that at a minimum it's a form of willful ignorance. Their entire structrue from reporters to editors to producers never bothered to research their claims. If that's not bad faith it's pretty damn close.

[HarvandHarv]

News media is manipulation for the masses. On occasion they stick their foot in their mouth. View it here at Harv's place

[scatpornpooboy]

Sorry buddy, but when government is involved there is always a choice between safety and liberty. I'm not sure if you are exactly supporting the Patriot Act, but I am one person who would like to see it completely repealed.

[tokio30]

Good fisk. Nice floor standers!

[ord1711]

Great work indeed. You should call it what it is, though, *bullshit*.

[sisforshayla]

very informative, thank you. added to my favorites! (came to find your vid through andrew sullivan's blog.)

[grungemusic3000]

caught this from the Electronic Frontier Foundation website. Thanks for putting together a nice debunking of Feaux News. They have such a big viewership that it is hard to believe they get simple facts totally wrong. A self respecting news organization would do a follow up but it's highly doubtful that will happen here.

[ryanshaunkelly]

United States of Israel.

Treasury is Bankrupt.

American Holocaust.

9/11 False Flag.

James Blunt,

No Bravery

[TBlake34]

What is a big list of bullshit, Alex...

[sohanstag]

Great video. It's a shame it has so few views. Perhaps Sully's linkage will help.

[normative]

I dunno, for one day's worth of views on a news critique turning on semi-obscure points of surveillance law? I didn't exactly expect it to be closing in on Star Wars Kid.

[sohanstag]

Well put. Still, it'd be nice if the Patriot act received more attention than Fox's propagandizing of its supposed virtues. Again, thanks for uploading the video.

[normative]

Also, now that I'm looking, view stats seem to have been frozen since early afternoon, so it's probably had more views than the current tally suggests. Though, as you say, doubtless never quite as much as the tragically confused original. I'll work on getting one of those cable networks.

[chrisocony]

nice job (linked via Glenn Greenwald's blog)

[CocteauBoyTV]

Thank you for helping put things in perspective. I have a feeling you are preaching to the choir, because the very people who are being so misinformed are probably not going to look for news beyond Fox. Great video! Thanks again.