3 months later and still this is incredible. the chorus singing without reading music is hardcore and inspiring, the soloists more than get the job done, and the orchestra is exhilarating. I'll never get tired of this.
Quite clean precise singing made a big difference in this note-cluttered movement. Cleanest sounding 4th mvt. I've ever heard so far. Still pretty messy though. Very good gutsy performance.
I love how the guy in the audience just started yelling the moment it was done. Now that's how you know you've moved people's souls, when they can't contain themselves. Awesome!
Ashkenazy is a great and and modest humanist, you can hear it and see it all along this performance, and only a heart made of stone will not melt at his expressions and gestures after last chord
i just got enlightenment from hearing this epic music by beethoven. thnk you great man!!!!!the world will never forget nor will other planets and of course the universe will dance and be in peace with ur music!!!!!!!!
Beethoven uses the piccolo very well, perhaps because he was not given a guide for its typical orchestral use (because there wasn't one). My only criticism is that is perhaps used a bit too much in the last 2 or 3 minutes, and it loses its effectiveness somewhat. Although I guess that in Beethoven's time, everybody would be constantly excited by its sound.
Esta música mostra que a linguagem de Deus é universal. Ainda bem que foi levada ao espaço, ao infinito. Jamais será esquecida. Magnifica, estupenda, sem palavras para este espetáculo.
Clearly the best performance of this work on Youtube - at the very least, the least idiosyncratic. And the soprano - absolutely amazing - lifts this work to the heavens.
it wasnt the best performance but they were good. i sang this with he NEW MEXICO SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA N CHOIR n we did this song so fantastic, awesome, spectacular, i mean it was an out of this world performance. we were told that it was the best performance so far heard by anybody n we got good reviews from newspapers n magazine. i mean everything was bigger, broader, n it was definitely a choir and orchestra of greatness. we cnt release the performance bc we aint paid, we r talented volunteers!
um, I attended a performance of this by NMSO@Popejoy Hall,and it was NOT as brilliant as you say. The strings were often out of tune, the chorus sang EVERYTHING SO marcato so that it was just UGLY(roger malone is a nice guy, but this was awful chorus work), and both a tenor AND a bass at TWO different points in the "seid-umschlungen" section cracked SO loud that everyone around me laughed. You heard it all through the theater. Dont be so stuck on yourself, because it was a bland interpretation.
um, I attended a performance of this by NMSO@Popejoy Hall,and it was NOT as brilliant as you say. The strings were often out of tune, the chorus sang EVERYTHING SO marcato so that it was just UGLY(roger malone is a nice guy, but this was awful chorus work), and both a tenor AND a bass at TWO different points in the "seid-umschlungen" section cracked SO loud that everyone around me laughed. You heard it all through the theater. Dont be so stuck on yourself, because it was a bland interpretation.
Actually, the end climax is nothing remotely close to what Beethoven envisioned. He inteded the closing (choral) MAESTOSO to be twice as fast as performed here and as performed in hundreds of other performances. What we have here is the result of a performance tradition dating back to Furtwangler.
Good or not, like it or not, it is NOT what Beethoven intended.
You're dead wrong about the Maestoso. It's not supposed to be "presto", like how Leinsdorf did it. When done too fast, the climax and grandeur are totally lost.
Studying the score, looking at Beethoven's mm markings and understanding the classical tradition of tempo relations between slow and fast sections of a given movement ALL indicate that the MAESTOSO is generally performed twice as fast as Beethoven's original intention. If you know the score, it is rather impossible to argue otherwise.
On the other hand, the questions you raise about the "climax and grandeur" are entirely valid. The question then is, how does it sound BEST?
If Beethoven's intention was to rush through that final choral section, he wouldn't have marked it "Maestoso" in the first place. "Maestoso" means "majestic", which does not imply "speed".
"Rush" is a subjective notion, while in the classical tradition, tempo markings within a movement always imply tempo relations. Beethoven reinforces this principle with a mm marking.
The point then REMAINS: what is better, Beethoven's clearly stated intention or the tradition that has developed over the centuries? Perhaps the tradition of playing this almost twice as slow IS better, IS more powerful, IS more satisfying... but it is NOT what Beethoven wrote.
You are absolutely correct. Solti for example takes that maestoso realllllly slow. It's not as written, but boy does it sound great. On the other hand, there's an Abbado/Berlin version on youtube that is pretty much as written (don't hear that too often!). It's thrilling, too.
I agree with much of your thinking, but Beethoven's mm markings must be taken with caution. His marking for the Hammerklavier is a prime example. That said, I do agree with you, in that, whether precise or not, the mm marking serves as an intention. What I'm not sure about is your mention of the classical tradition, since Beethoven had long since broken with any such tie by this point.
One of the best finales, ever. The balance and coherence amongst the four singers was impeccable. The end climax had that monumentality that Beethoven envisioned.
3 months later and still this is incredible. the chorus singing without reading music is hardcore and inspiring, the soloists more than get the job done, and the orchestra is exhilarating. I'll never get tired of this.
ratboygenius 2 months ago
Regrettable that last trumpet
dofkgodk 3 months ago
GRANDIOSO....ESTUPENDA INTERPRETACION......CORO EXTRAORDINARIO...REALMENTE....HERMOSO ESCUCHAR ESTA OBRA.....
celtacentauro 3 months ago
There is absolutely a GOD!
elijahborlaza 4 months ago
Fantastica questa esecuzione
Lapman95 4 months ago
the best beethoven 9 on youtube. in the u.s. that crowd would have jumped to their feet and exploded.
ratboygenius 5 months ago
Quite clean precise singing made a big difference in this note-cluttered movement. Cleanest sounding 4th mvt. I've ever heard so far. Still pretty messy though. Very good gutsy performance.
formerlyaskeptic1 5 months ago
Very good, thank you for posting
sundberg39 6 months ago
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I love the smile at 0:30, she's really enjoying it
sebastianrc 8 months ago
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trumpet doesn't play in tune in 5:57
ulysses1889 8 months ago
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ulysses1889 8 months ago
Merci parce que tu existe et qu'e que tu veux multiplier la joie dans le monde .Joyeux Noël et tous les meilleurs.Bonne Nuit!
Alecs1950 9 months ago
simply the best! :)
extremechaser91 9 months ago
I got a stiffy
MetalCode 10 months ago
Great work and vocal chorus....
Rosmai07 10 months ago
I love how the guy in the audience just started yelling the moment it was done. Now that's how you know you've moved people's souls, when they can't contain themselves. Awesome!
kevnar 11 months ago 2
simplismente incrível...
a sinfonia é perfeita, a orquestra, os solistas e o coro são maravilhosos, e o maestro é incrivelmente bom.
isso é que é música de verdade...
me arrepiei!
=D
KiiimSouza 1 year ago
I love how the Japanese love classical music. They adopt and value the highest achievements of the Western civilization .
Adamalgorithm 1 year ago 4
Maki Mori is fucking hot
TokyoFreeze79 1 year ago
I love how it starts to grow at 2:05
sebastianrc 1 year ago
Ashkenazy is a great and and modest humanist, you can hear it and see it all along this performance, and only a heart made of stone will not melt at his expressions and gestures after last chord
eliyaguy 1 year ago
to the two out of 47,983 peeps who hit the dislike button.....you're lame.
mercer240 1 year ago 2
i just got enlightenment from hearing this epic music by beethoven. thnk you great man!!!!!the world will never forget nor will other planets and of course the universe will dance and be in peace with ur music!!!!!!!!
mrvishal1000 1 year ago
es geniial
zanlixy1 1 year ago
That was just incredible.... Incredible... Oh my God...
darnmat 2 years ago 30
@darnmat I agree and I'm not a part of the choir. Simply beautiful; wished I were singing.
Gary2837 1 year ago
@darnmat I agree and I'm not a part of the choir (such professionalism). Simply beautiful; wished I were singing. The orchestra is amazing.
Gary2837 1 year ago
@darnmat No it's not incredible! it was composeb by the greatest music genius ever!
iguarni 2 months ago
That was divine
eng442 2 years ago 5
Alle Menschen Werden Brüder!
sstuddert 2 years ago 2
Ashkenazy 9.8, chorus 9.7, orchestra 9.1, soloists 8.9 ... :)
Mozeroscar 2 years ago
Beethoven uses the piccolo very well, perhaps because he was not given a guide for its typical orchestral use (because there wasn't one). My only criticism is that is perhaps used a bit too much in the last 2 or 3 minutes, and it loses its effectiveness somewhat. Although I guess that in Beethoven's time, everybody would be constantly excited by its sound.
odinnshred 2 years ago
Esta música mostra que a linguagem de Deus é universal. Ainda bem que foi levada ao espaço, ao infinito. Jamais será esquecida. Magnifica, estupenda, sem palavras para este espetáculo.
rs000110 2 years ago 2
wow nice double fugue at the begining
theromanpraetorian 2 years ago 2
Is there anything Japanese can't do??? mmm... I love them ....
kawinga90210 2 years ago 5
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UseMy3rdArm 2 years ago
I hope you are joking.
sstuddert 2 years ago
silence filth
dave997 2 years ago
Clearly the best performance of this work on Youtube - at the very least, the least idiosyncratic. And the soprano - absolutely amazing - lifts this work to the heavens.
dalethorn2 3 years ago 3
That is a great performance
GusMahler8 3 years ago
I just adore that last part with the choire and all... Magnificent!!! Bravo!!!!
yokas90 3 years ago
superbe interprétation une des meilleurs merci
girardje70 3 years ago
Simply mind blowing! Ashkenazy is great!
IloveAlexisBledel689 3 years ago 3
es el peje dirijiendo ja ja ja ja!!!
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it wasnt the best performance but they were good. i sang this with he NEW MEXICO SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA N CHOIR n we did this song so fantastic, awesome, spectacular, i mean it was an out of this world performance. we were told that it was the best performance so far heard by anybody n we got good reviews from newspapers n magazine. i mean everything was bigger, broader, n it was definitely a choir and orchestra of greatness. we cnt release the performance bc we aint paid, we r talented volunteers!
sexyking19 3 years ago
jerk, if ur in the orchestra or in the choir you always have the intention that this was the best performance ever.
Dont try to compare a great symphonic orchestra with a group of "talented volunteers"!!!
Cellz69 3 years ago 12
um, I attended a performance of this by NMSO@Popejoy Hall,and it was NOT as brilliant as you say. The strings were often out of tune, the chorus sang EVERYTHING SO marcato so that it was just UGLY(roger malone is a nice guy, but this was awful chorus work), and both a tenor AND a bass at TWO different points in the "seid-umschlungen" section cracked SO loud that everyone around me laughed. You heard it all through the theater. Dont be so stuck on yourself, because it was a bland interpretation.
lvssymphonic 3 years ago
um, I attended a performance of this by NMSO@Popejoy Hall,and it was NOT as brilliant as you say. The strings were often out of tune, the chorus sang EVERYTHING SO marcato so that it was just UGLY(roger malone is a nice guy, but this was awful chorus work), and both a tenor AND a bass at TWO different points in the "seid-umschlungen" section cracked SO loud that everyone around me laughed. You heard it all through the theater. Dont be so stuck on yourself, because it was a bland interpretation.
lvssymphonic 3 years ago
Because the New Mexico Symphony Orchestra is obviously better than the NHK Symphony Orchestra.
ThaSchwab 3 years ago
Don't be so quick to judge...esp. if you've never heard the NMSO, they are AMAZING!!!
violinist1990 2 years ago
I heard the conducter switched from piano to conducting. He did so out of passion, which passion is shown here. I think he did a mighty job!!!!!
23danb 3 years ago
Thank you so much for posting. Brilliant in every way.
Aberroyc 3 years ago 3
Actually, the end climax is nothing remotely close to what Beethoven envisioned. He inteded the closing (choral) MAESTOSO to be twice as fast as performed here and as performed in hundreds of other performances. What we have here is the result of a performance tradition dating back to Furtwangler.
Good or not, like it or not, it is NOT what Beethoven intended.
Kurkikohtaus 3 years ago
the freedom of art
klimax11 3 years ago
i wonder... whose art? Of the composer or of the performer? I'd careful there...
23danb 3 years ago
how did you know about it? you've talked to beethoven recently?
rusz 3 years ago 2
You're dead wrong about the Maestoso. It's not supposed to be "presto", like how Leinsdorf did it. When done too fast, the climax and grandeur are totally lost.
Music2Die4 3 years ago
Studying the score, looking at Beethoven's mm markings and understanding the classical tradition of tempo relations between slow and fast sections of a given movement ALL indicate that the MAESTOSO is generally performed twice as fast as Beethoven's original intention. If you know the score, it is rather impossible to argue otherwise.
On the other hand, the questions you raise about the "climax and grandeur" are entirely valid. The question then is, how does it sound BEST?
Kurkikohtaus 3 years ago
If Beethoven's intention was to rush through that final choral section, he wouldn't have marked it "Maestoso" in the first place. "Maestoso" means "majestic", which does not imply "speed".
Music2Die4 3 years ago 2
"Rush" is a subjective notion, while in the classical tradition, tempo markings within a movement always imply tempo relations. Beethoven reinforces this principle with a mm marking.
The point then REMAINS: what is better, Beethoven's clearly stated intention or the tradition that has developed over the centuries? Perhaps the tradition of playing this almost twice as slow IS better, IS more powerful, IS more satisfying... but it is NOT what Beethoven wrote.
Kurkikohtaus 3 years ago
You are absolutely correct. Solti for example takes that maestoso realllllly slow. It's not as written, but boy does it sound great. On the other hand, there's an Abbado/Berlin version on youtube that is pretty much as written (don't hear that too often!). It's thrilling, too.
charmoka 3 years ago
I agree with much of your thinking, but Beethoven's mm markings must be taken with caution. His marking for the Hammerklavier is a prime example. That said, I do agree with you, in that, whether precise or not, the mm marking serves as an intention. What I'm not sure about is your mention of the classical tradition, since Beethoven had long since broken with any such tie by this point.
KennYWooD2 2 years ago
yeah, you're right. my teacher said to play majestic, imagine a king walking about his own lofty way, taking his jolly time lol
greentomo 3 years ago
One of the best finales, ever. The balance and coherence amongst the four singers was impeccable. The end climax had that monumentality that Beethoven envisioned.
Music2Die4 4 years ago 4
LOVE!NO.9!
kanon2005 4 years ago 3
A little of the ultraviolet
rams25 4 years ago
the baritone reminds me of James Woods playing father Merin in Scary movie 2...and the way he swings back and forth.... hahahaha he is hilarious
DoctorGradus 4 years ago
Magnificent!
Alexias030692 4 years ago
Beethoven.
222mozart 4 years ago 2
I can't find the words.... so beautiful! great final, thanks for posting!
IloveAlexisBledel689 4 years ago
bueno
Bardiel25 4 years ago
espectacular the very best
julioanoguera 4 years ago