Schnittke Concerto Grosso No. 6 Kremer/Auerbach (Part I)

[viandante]

I find very funny that musicians will assume this is more "complicated" than a Rachmaninov concerto or symphony. Grasping the formal relations of Rach's 3rd takes much more effort than following this kind of musical tile fixing, however engaging it sounds on the surface.

[TassiloDavid]

This music is hardly that wild or complicated. In fact, like everything Schnittke writes, it's very derivative music. In this case it's derivative of the Bartok piano concertos.

[RaRaLandEQ]

@TassiloDavid One of the world's greatest, recognized composers and all you can do is stand in his shadow and shiver off a cold pretentious response. Mozart and Beethoven were also accused of writing derivative music, yet it is always the arrogant critics which are forgotten and the masters that reign.

[TassiloDavid]

@RaRaLandEQ

Where and by whom were Mozart and Beethoven accused of being "derivative" composers? What is "pretentious" about about pointing out such extremely obvious derivations as Schnittke's from Bartok?

[RaRaLandEQ]

@TassiloDavid Try google. My word man, look it up, read some books, watch a documentary or two maybe? The evidence is there. And as for your insulting inference on most of Schnittke's output being "derivative", you seem to posses the capacitance to distinguish between derivative and influence, but I have my sincerest doubts you weren't aiming for anything other than a callous remark. I'm no musicologist, but certainly one can tell us where Bartok's concerto derived from, or maybe influenced by?

[RaRaLandEQ]

@TassiloDavid: It was not my intention to be antagonising or insult you, nor am I here to convince you of anything other than I was offended by your comment, which sounded crass by insinuating that just because the first half of Schnittke's famous works were heavily influenced, that all his works are derivative.

[RaRaLandEQ]

@TassiloDavid One of the world's greatest, recognized composers and all you can do is stand in his shadow and shiver off a cold pretentious response. Mozart and Beethoven were also accused of writing derivative music, yet it is always the arrogant critics which are forgotten and the masters that reign.

[lovesGenet]

Music is sometimes about its material or non-musical idea! not just melody,harmony,structure.Lingu­istics,science,technology.Musi­c can go beyond dsound

[BoristheONEandonly]

can someone please tell are there scores of this peace on internet ?

[andressavidigal]

the pianist is awesoooome! HAHAH

[noirvalentin]

That´s really good!

[MerlinTheDraconic]

Hmm. Schnittke. Interesting ideas in theory. While I suppose he had some idea that he wanted to convey, it still sounds like crap.

[MusicaRicercata]

Try listening again. It's almost always difficult comprehending new music at first...

[theillu1]

Rach chords maybe rich, but thier endless carry-on undermines their beauty, this music is beautiful, it warrants a little understanding though.

[bebop1066]

Im not a musician but it reminds me of Ligeti. The devels stairway perhaps. Just a thought from the unwashed.

[hirundotube]

Atheism and nihilism? I'm an athiest, and I love beautiful, organized music. I'm a huge fan of harmony, melody, and all that. Contrary to what most people who haven't thought about it much believe, atheism and nihilism are rarely linked and have nothing necessarily to do with each other. And certainly nothing to do with staying within, or breaching, musical boundaries.

[kluetenkloeter]

Soulless "music" that lacks the slightest trace of beauty. Even on a purely intellectual basis it offers practically nothing to the recipient. If it were not for the promotion through Schnittke's "co-religionists", his "work" would have vanished into oblivion long ago. And rightly so.

[Hexameron]

Beauty? Why is that significant criteria for music? Late Beethoven is tinted with ugliness, but it's far from soulless. I'm curious what compositions you deem "soulful" if this Schnittke specimen is "soulless"?

[CodyRicheson]

You're a fool. This music provokes so much strong emotion. And isn't that the point of music, to provoke?

[voolare]

Have you seen the movie "Amadeus"? You sound like the guy who commented "too many notes" about Mozart's music...

You sound like somebody looking at a Picasso painting and saying "hey, this is not beautiful, reality is not like this".

[kluetenkloeter]

I don't have to ponder long over a pile of dung in order to judge it as such. You immediately recognize that it is ugly and that it stinks. Only a lot of pseudo-intellectual bruhaha may convert the pile of dung into gold. Suum cuique, as Latin says.

[voolare]

Odi profanum vulgus et arceo

[kluetenkloeter]

Odi profanum vulgus et arceo. Yes, so true. That's why gospadin Schnittke doesn't score with me ;-)

[MerlinTheDraconic]

I suppose schnittke had some artistic idea that he wanted to convey. However, I am unwilling to listen long to ponder it.

[darkmaides]

don't be an idiot, this music is really complicated and hes phrases are very hard to understand, for it sounds soulless cause ur used to beautiful rach chords, but if u open ur ears just a little maybe you would understand what this music is.

[jre58591]

great performance! if only auerbach had been playing her own music, though!

[dAvrilthebear]

The accord at 0:22 I do not understand at all. There are a lot of moment's in Shnittke's music that I like, but this is just deconstruction of all harmony and all beauty. Nothing but atheism and nihilism. Without any attempt to create something new. I mean, if you step outside, most of the sounds you'll here will be more beautiful and more meaningful than this.

[dAvrilthebear]

(cont.)

Don't get me wrong, I'm saying this after listening to the concert for three or four times now. And I accept most of it. But not this terrible chord which begins it. And especially not that the concert ends on the similar one.

If anyone could explain to me how this can help people live, I'd much obliged.

[Hexameron]

Help people live? This is self-expression unrestrained by rules of harmony and dissonance; beauty is irrelevant and subjective.

[darkmaides]

hey, beauty isn't irrelevant its just shapeless.

[voolare]

The chord at 0:22 is the best part! How can you not enjoy it! Personally I see it as a modern/tragic version of the beginning of Rachmaninoff concerto N.2, with the beginning chords developing into an immense cascade of notes flowing with grandeur. Here instead, the beginning notes bring to a total apoplectic collapse at 0:22! I find it brilliant! This is "beauty" (since you look for it everywjere);-)

[darkmaides]

hey you know it also reminded me of kind of rach's 2nd but in he's own way, its known he grew up on rach and Tchaikovsky, great music, great life.

[MaxRadio]

OoOoOh, eerie...if paranoia had a sound...:D love it.

[life4music1982]

oh, my father loves this kind of music :)

[luxail]

Ce n'est pas du grand Schnittke!

ça n'arrive même pas à la cheville de ses 4 premiers concerto grosso!

[lovesGenet]

Wow.schnittke .always doing something formally  arresting.

[ddgat10]

fantastic, loved it - both the piece and the playing!! She's a REMARKABLE composer too.