Flight Lan Chile Boeing 737 Punta Arenas to Falkland Islands

[ColoNaxo]

Falklands to the UK from chile

[Bigfatpieeater]

I see the cabin crew refer to the Islands and Islas Falklands. Sounds right to me ;-)

[111jasy111]

We should ban LanChile to cross our airspace when heading to Malvinas.

[Medeasbiggestfan]

@111jasy111

Why does Argentina always try to isolate the Islanders? This only ever servers to make the Islanders more reliant on the UK.

The fact is, over 10% of the Islanders are of Chilean ancestry and so the links between the Falklands and Chile cannot be cut so easily.

[111jasy111]

@Medeasbiggestfan Is that the reason Chile threatened to cut flights to the islands when the UK was studying the possibility of denying immunity to Pinochet? I haven't heard anyone claim that Chile was trying to 'isolate the islanders' and so on.

[Medeasbiggestfan]

@111jasy111

Chile threatened - but it didn't actually stop the flights. Governments often threaten to do things that they'd never do in reality.

In any case, it would have been wrong to punish the islanders for the actions of the UK.

It's Argentina that's trying to isolate the islanders, not Chile.

[111jasy111]

@Medeasbiggestfan It's not isolation. It's understanding and accepting that without Argentina, it's almost impossible for the islanders to survive.

[Medeasbiggestfan]

@111jasy111

It's not impossible, the Islanders can survive with trade from the UK and other countries, but it would be a lot easier for the islanders if they had good neighbourly relations with Argentina.

Unfortunately, the Argentine government's policies prevent good relations, and when other South American nations approach the islanders (like Chile), Argentina protests.

[111jasy111]

@Medeasbiggestfan No other South American nation approached the islanders like you suggest. And also, you should know that even Chile request talks to solve the issue of sovereignity. Like the US or G77 + China.

Good relations are systematically prevented by English intransigency. If Chile and Argentina would make a joint decission and cut flights to the islands, flights that even land in Argentina before heading to the islands (!), you'd realize how much the islanders need South America.

[Medeasbiggestfan]

@111jasy111

The Islanders need links with South America, but not necessarily Argentina.

The islanders approached Chile to set-up flights, something Argentina (and you on this video) complained about.

The flights that stop in Rio Gallegos today often pick-up families of those killed in the war going to visit graves. Stopping flights would hurt them more than the islanders.

The UK cannot talk on sovereignty against the wishes of the islanders. The UN calls for talks, it doesn't mention sovereignty

[111jasy111]

@Medeasbiggestfan The UK (not the islanders) approached Chile for many reasons, and one of them was to establish tension with Argentina. The UK regarded Chile's gratitude by granting diplomatic immunity to Mr Pinochet when the International Crime Court was after him. It's not a coincidence that today there are pinochetists in the current Chilean goverment, for instance the last Chilean ambassador in Argentina, Miguel Otero, who even praised Pinochet to the press. That was just last year.

[Medeasbiggestfan]

@111jasy111

The flights between Chile were conceived and negotiated by the Islanders' Government, led by Mike Summers. The flights could always go around Argentina, it would take longer, but it's possible.

In 1982, the UK wanted to send the bodies of servicemen back to Argentina, but the Military Dictatorship refused to accept them. So they had to be buried on the islands.

The UN calls for talks to resolve the dispute. The UK has said it's willing to talk, but it can't negotiate on sovereignty.

[111jasy111]

@Medeasbiggestfan Mike Summers moved to England when he was 11 and returned to the islands 36 years later to head the Islands' 'Development Corporation'. A well-trained Middlesex alumni.

Try go around Argentina. There's some heavy winds waiting for you.

OK, now you admit that the UN recognizes a dispute, do you know what is it about?

Read the resolutions.

Sovereignity is mentioned several times and just kept urging the UK to solve this situation for long decades, way long before 1982.

[Medeasbiggestfan]

@111jasy111

Mike Summers was born in the islands and has lived there for most of his life. He is currently part of the islanders government. Fact is, the air-link was negotiated by the islanders, not the UK as you said.

I never said the UN didn't recognise a dispute, but it doesn't call for talks on sovereignty.

Argentina knows that the UK can't negotiate on sovereignty against the islanders wishes, which is probably why Argentina's policies are designed to hurt the islanders, not the UK.

[111jasy111]

@Medeasbiggestfan Are you serious? There are several UN resolutions that mention sovereignity, one of them is UN Resolution 3160 (XXVIII) of 14 December 1973. "Declares the need to accelerate the negotiations between Argentina and the UK in order to arrive at a peaceful solution of the conflict of sovereignty between them concerning the Falkland Islands (Malvinas)"

'Mike Summers was born in the islands and has lived there for most of his life.' Not according to Wikipedia.

[Medeasbiggestfan]

@111jasy111

The resolutions mention a 'sovereignty dispute', but they don't call for negotiations on sovereignty, they just calls for negotiations. This is an important difference. There was a sovereignty dispute between Ireland and the UK, but negotiations only took place after Ireland recognised the people of Northern Ireland's right to self-determination (Downing St. Declaration).

Wikipedia says Mike Summers was born in Stanley in 1952 and has live in the islands for 33 years of his life.

[111jasy111]

@Medeasbiggestfan "The UN Decolonization Committee today adopted a resolution reiterating that the way to end the special and particular colonial situation there is through peaceful, negotiated settlement of the sovereignity dispute. By the terms of the text, introduced by Chile’s representative, the Committee regretted that, despite widespread international support for negotiations, longstanding General Assembly resolutions on that question hadn't been implemented by the UK."

21st June 2011.

[Medeasbiggestfan]

@111jasy111

Firstly, that's not a UN Resolution, but it actually proves my point. It states that there is a 'sovereignty dispute', but it doesn't call for talks on sovereignty, it just calls for talks.

It's Argentina that says any talks must be on sovereignty and the UK that says there can be talks on any issue, except sovereignty (which the UK is constitutional prevented from discussing without the approval of the islanders).

Anyway, the Argentine Government isn't serious about negotiations.

[111jasy111]

@Medeasbiggestfan It's a UN Resolution of the UN Decolonisation Committee, and it's not the first.

"1. Reiterates that the way to put an end to the special and particular colonial situation is the peaceful and negotiated settlement of the dispute over sovereignty between the Governments of Argentina and the UK"

18 June 2004

It's not Argentina saying any talks must be on sovereignity. It's the UN. And if I'd be a prick, I'd say it doesn't call for 'talks' either.

[Medeasbiggestfan]

@111jasy111

It's a report of a UN Committee, not a resolution, and it doesn't call for negotiations on sovereignty, it calls for a 'negotiated settlement of the dispute over sovereignty'. That's not the same thing.

The fact is negotiations require compromise and the Argentine government knows that anything less than gaining complete sovereignty over the islands would be very unpopular in Argentina, that's why they're not serious.

However, harassing the islands is very popular in Argentina.

[111jasy111]

@Medeasbiggestfan

"Invites both countries to find a peaceful solution to the problem" UN Resolution 2065 (XX) Dec 1965.

"Declares the need to accelerate the negotiations called for in General Assembly resolution 2065 in order to arrive at a peaceful solution of the conflict of sovereignty" UN Resolution 3160 (XXVIII) Dec 1973.

"Requests to expedite the negotiations concerning the dispute over sovereignty, as requested in Gen Assembly resolutions 2065 and 3160" UN Resolution 31/49 Dec 1976

[Medeasbiggestfan]

@111jasy111

None of them call for negotiations on sovereignty, they just call for negotiations. But the UK was willing to negotiate with Argentina up until 1982.

Argentina was the first country to break UN resolution over the dispute, when it invaded. Then, during the Argentine occupation, Argentina refused to comply with Resolutions calling for troops to be removed from the islands.

When British troops died to liberate the islanders, future negotiations became all but impossible.

[111jasy111]

@Medeasbiggestfan

UN Resolution 31/49 December 1976

"Requests to expedite the negotiations concerning the dispute over sovereignty."

[Medeasbiggestfan]

@111jasy111

As I have said many times, the resolutions call for negotiations to resolve the sovereignty dispute, they don't call for negotiations ON sovereignty.

Anyway, what would negotiations achieve? The Constitution of the Falklands and UK legislation forbids HM's Government from altering the sovereignty of the islands against the wishes of the islanders. However, Argentina claims the islands are part of its territory and nothing can change that. Both positions seem non-negotiable.

[111jasy111]

@Medeasbiggestfan

The constitution states that the Governor (who by the way is always a citizen from England and never an islander) has supreme authority on the islands.

He can "make, confirm and terminate appointments to any public office; exercise disciplinary control over public officers; make and terminate appointments to

any other office in a civil capacity." and he "shall not be obliged to consult with the Executive Council when acting under instructions given to him by her majesty"..

[Medeasbiggestfan]

@111jasy111

Though powers are only used in extreme situations. In theory, the Queen has the same powers in the UK, as do her Governors-General in the Commonwealth realms. The last time a Monarch in the UK went against the decision of Parliament was 11 March 1708. A Governor has never gone against the decision of the Executive Council in the islands.

Also, under section 66(3), if the Governor ever used those powers, he must inform the Secretary of State, who can then overrule his decision.

[111jasy111]

@Medeasbiggestfan Even if those powers are only used in extreme situations - according to you - they are still written in the constitution, hence they can be used whenever it suits British interests.

The British Parliament might invoke the wishes of the monarch to proceed, if one day the islanders' wishes happen to be not in tune with London.

Do you think there is a possibilty of dissent there? The islanders who oppossed British rule and interests received death threats and murder attempts.

[Medeasbiggestfan]

@111jasy111

The British Government has never threatened any islanders.

Chapter 1 of the Constitution gives the islander the right to self-determination. The British gave up an entire empire when its people requested independence, the UK is not going to cling on to a small group of islands against the wishes of the people who live there.

There is a growing independence movement on the islands. I think they will request independent in the next few decades, and the UK will grant their request.

[111jasy111]

@Medeasbiggestfan

Chapter 2 bestows the English Governor supreme power to act even if it's against the wishes of the islanders. If one day your majesty decides to return the islands to Argentina there is nothing that could be done by the islanders or you. Would you go against the wishes of your majesty?

Independence will never be endorsed by the UN if the sovereignty issue with Argentina is not solved beforehand. Remember the UN has been telling the UK to do so for half a century already.

[Medeasbiggestfan]

@111jasy111

The UK complied with all the UN resolutions over the islands, and negotiated with Argentina, until 1982. Argentina was the first nation to break UN resolutions by invading the islands. It then refused to comply with Security Council resolutions which called for its troops to be removed.

[111jasy111]

@Medeasbiggestfan The UK was the first nation to break UN resoltuions by playing deaf for long long years, even though the UN was urging both countries to solve the dispute without delay, as soon as possible... The first resolution date from 1965...

Still I'd never support what the CIA-backed military junta did to the islanders in 1982.

[Medeasbiggestfan]

@111jasy111

It wouldn't be descent if the islanders voted for independence, or to join Argentina. They would be excising their fundamental rights. The fact that you see that as 'descent' says a lot about Argentine attitudes to freedom.

Malta was once a British colony, and was far more strategically important than the islands. But when the Maltese asked for independence in 1964, their British Governor granted their request. The same will happen if and when the islanders request independence.

[Medeasbiggestfan]

@111jasy111

Those people were threatened by fellow islanders, not the British government.

The older generation of islanders hate Argentina because of the war. Of course this is wrong, but it's not the UK’s fault. There are Argentines who feel the same way about the islanders.

Hopefully this attitude will fade when the younger generation comes into power. Then islanders can become Argentine without fear.

The UK did negotiate, even Thatcher's government proposed a lease back of the islands.

[Medeasbiggestfan]

@111jasy111

Chapter 2 doesn't give the Governor the right to go against Chapter 1! In fact it states that he is subject to the Constitution.

If a majority of the islanders wanted to join Argentina, it would happen. The UK respects the islanders' right to self-determination. It's Argentina that rejects the rights of the islanders.

Also, if the islanders voted for independence, they'd be recognised by the UK, EU and Commonwealth. Other nations would do the same as oil buys a lot of friends.

[111jasy111]

@Medeasbiggestfan

I don't think so.

Mr James Peck and his family received several death threats after he decided to become an argentine citizen a few months ago. His inbox was packed and he received phone calls by British people that telling him he'll get shot if he dares to return to the islands.

Dr Mike Bingham also suffered death threats as well as serious also an attack on his vehicle that could have killed him.

Their cases go against British interests in the South Atlantic.

[111jasy111]

@Medeasbiggestfan

Take a look at the islanders' constitution and watch it with your own eyes.

The Governor can "make, confirm and terminate appointments to any public office; exercise disciplinary control over public officers; make and terminate appointments to

any other office in a civil capacity" "The Governor shall not be obliged to consult with the Executive Council when acting under instructions given to him by hm"

ETC

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Do you think there is a real possibilty of dissent there?

[gilbertovas1]

@Medeasbiggestfan

[111jasy111]

@Medeasbiggestfan UN Resolution 37/9 Nov 1982: "Requests to resume negotiations in order to find as soon as possible a peaceful solution to the sovereignty dispute." UN Resolution 38/12 Nov 1983: "Reiterates its request to resume negotiations in order to find as soon as possible a peaceful solution to the sovereignty dispute." UN Resolution 40/21 Nov 1985 UN Resolution 41/40 Nov 1986 UN Resolution 42/19 Nov 1987 UN Resolution 43/25 Nov 1988

[111jasy111]

@Medeasbiggestfan

UN Resolution 39/06 November 1984

"Observing with concern that, in spite of the time which has elapsed since the adoption of resolution 2065 (XX), the prolonged dispute has not yet been resolved, reiterates its request to resume negotiations in order to find as soon as possible a peaceful solution to the sovereignty dispute and their remaining differences."

[111jasy111]

@Medeasbiggestfan

UN Resolution 2065 (XX) December 1965

"Invites to proceed without delay to find a peaceful solution to the problem"

UN Resolution 3160 (XXVIII) December 1973

"Declares the need to accelerate the negotiations in order to arrive at a peaceful solution of the conflict of sovereignty. Urges to proceed without delay with the negotiations."

UN Resolution 31/49 December 1976

"Requests to expedite the negotiations concerning the dispute over sovereignty."

[111jasy111]

@Medeasbiggestfan "The UN Decolonization Committee today adopted a consensus resolution reiterating that the way to end the colonial situation is through peaceful, negotiated settlement of the sovereignty dispute between Argentina and the UK. By the terms of the text, introduced by Chile’s representative, the Committee regretted that, despite widespread international support for negotiations, longstanding General Assembly resolutions on that question hadn't been implemented."

21st June 2011

[111jasy111]

@Medeasbiggestfan

Not necessarily Argentina? You have to cross Argentina's airspace to get there from Chile. It's almost surrounded by Argentinian waters. Give me an example of a similar situation on Earth.

If the war graves are sent back, I wouldn't mind if it does well to just finish this situation. Of course Britain would use it as a provocation, like shooting missiles.

And the UN does mention sovereignity. You probably even know it.

[eltorero54]

Para mi y mis compatriotas seguiran siendo ustedes la misma lacra de cobardes. Si querian "the Falklands islands" deberian haber muerto defendiendo lo que querian robar y no rendirse como los cobardes y cagones que son y lo seguiran siendo. Has vistos las caras de los del norte de tu pais? esos sis que son bellos.......

[patmorac]

yo soy chileno y hablo el ingles bien debido a haber vivido en Australia por mas de 35 anios. A pesar de unos pequenos errores , a la azafata se le entiende perfectamente bien lo que dice en ingles.

[kokiiito]

@737mercury2008 mismo caso xDDDD

[ronch0]

chilenos de mierda, solamente ustedes las llaman "falklands".. el dia en que se saquen el pene de los británicos de la boca van a poder pronunciar el verdadero nombre "MALVINAS"!!!!!

[eltorero54]

@ronch0

argentinos cobardes deberian haber defendido con honor lo que ustedes creen que es suyo. Aunque te duela se llaman FALKLANDS.

Aprende alguna vez burro de mierda, ademas maricon y cobarde imbecil elevado al cubo

[ronch0]

@eltorero54 queres hablar de cobardia? hablemos de la patagonia que nos regalaron, o de cuando el papa les salvó el culo en los 70's. defendimos lo nuestro con coraje, y nos enfrentamos a una potencia mundial y perdimos. el dia en que el pais tuyo con forma de sorete haga algo parecido hablemos. FEO!

[Richardka]

what is the music?

[AmericanBrian]

Thanks for posting mate! Great video!

[AmericanBrian]

Is LanChile the only commercial airline that flies to the Falkland Islands?

[heikkuri]

Yes, because those Argentiine bastards to all they can to thwart any growth or progress in the islands.

[truebrit1989]

You can also travel form the UK. But that is through the MOD who I think have a contract with a airline to fly there, altough some time RAF Tristars are used.

[AmericanBrian]

I see, well, thaks for letting me know that! What is MOD btw?

[truebrit1989]

@AmericanBrian The MOD is the British Ministry of Defence, they ru nthe British Army, Royal navy and Royal Air Force.

[rufust1975]

@truebrit1989 Yep, there's two flights per week (or thereabouts) from RAF Brize Norton, stopping to refuel at RAF Ascension. Takes about 20 hours in total, and it's a millitary flight, so the safety briefing is somewhat prefunctory (the reason they have lifejackets on flights is to mark where to send the divers down to recover the black box)

[TheIceman567]

@rufust1975 do they fight non-millitary on the flights?

[rufust1975]

@TheIceman567 Subject to availability, yes. Obviously as it's an MoD flight, they have first call on the seats.

[TheIceman567]

@rufust1975 Cheers mate.

[jacka3000]

@AmericanBrian they fly to malvinas islands not falklands and yes i think it is

[357bjmb]

pleashe if iu r horny come to me

[ShesepAnj]

for what????????

[undia2008]

La denominación correcta para América Latina es la de "Islas Malvinas", ¿o acaso son inglesas?

[heikkuri]

Per debe ser las Isla de Falkland o las Islas Falklandesas.....

[patmorac]

@undia2008 Las Islas Malvinas (en espanol) Falkland Islands (en ingles) son un territorio de facto Britanico. Argentina las reclama como parte de su territorio nacional. Por el momento estan administrada por Gran Bretana.

[cruxadoUC]

QUE IDIOMA ES!!!

[Guillo0015]

malvinas argentinas ayer y hoy

[starjose]

totalmente de acuerdo amigo argentino

ojala un dia las recuperen

saludos desde chile

[heikkuri]

!Ojala que NO!

[gustavo520]

attention ladies and gentlemen,speaking now is a half chilean/kelper inbred...lol

[tataiaiarules01]

plis... teik you tinghs bifor llu go aut of thi pllein

[javiernando]

La azafata parece como si estuviera en un curso de inglés...

[DanDahMan3D]

Can't talk a word of English, shameful

[superlalo999]

india tu hermana

[starjose]

y lo peor que se supone que la capacitaron pa hablar ingles!!!!

una vergüenza

[gustavo520]

que raza de indio sos ?

[superlalo999]

la misma raza que tu.. aweonao, nadie es raza pura, aprende historia... ni hasta los españoles son raza pura pq son mas mezclados que la mierda por lo romanos y wea rara...

[marcodonegal]

Chile es el mejor pais en el mundo. Yo soy un hijo de O'Higgins aqui en Irlanda.

[delarus]

jajaj ya si weon XD.

Si eri pariente de ohiggins subete una prueba

[Ventos3600]

ERSELENTE EL INGLISH TUONTA WEUBONA

[superlalo999]

de k año es el video......en ese video estan en el aeropuerto antiguo (mala la wea)

[argbasura]

No webeen tanto,es verdad el ingles de la tipa es bastante deficiente,pero lo importante es la linea aerea y en eso Lan es imbatible en sudamerica y una de las mejores del mundo,al amigo espanol saludos y para el argentino hijo de puta,bueno para que te voy a putear,si con haber nacido es esa mugre de pais,automaticamente pasaste a ser la escoria del planeta,fracasado.

[A330323X]

El acento Chileno es muy estraña para mi(en Inglés y Español). Ellos hablan más rapido allá que aquí en España. Fuí a Chile en el año 2004 para 2 semanas y ustedes Chilenos tienen un pais muy bonita y la Línea Aerea de ustedes LAN es mejor que mi Línea Aerea Iberia(Para Servico y las Azafatas).

[juanchichus84]

ese es el antiguo aeropuerto de Pta. Arenas creo asi que el video debe ser antiguo y el ingles de la azafata es pesimo , disgusting !!! pero era lo que habia en esos tiempos y LAN llega a MPN no Stanley de ahi tienes que viajar como una hra hacia Stanley en auto

[diablillo299]

espero viajar por LAN hacia stanley dentro de poco!!

lindo video

saludos desde Bahia Blanca, Argentina.

[scjozpzx]

No es nuevo ver Jefas de Cabina o TCP que tienen un pésimo nivel de inglés..., en muchos vuelos, ahora que tienen nueva imagen.., nuevos aviones...., las cosas no cambian..

en fin.., estamos en chile, y no podemos pedir mucho...

saludos

[episco00]

pu tos

[arcanoscl]

este video debe ser de antes del 98 cuando aparecio la nueva imagen LAN... por eso lo malo del ingles...

[funkyou20]

u uuu que mal la jefa de cabina o quizas era una niña en practica ..

pero buen video eso es lo importante

[a3b5c3d5]

curso de ingles urgente

[combarbala]

q paso con la jefa de cabina, esta nerviosa la pobre hablando ???

[santiagourban]

This video was sorprise me when I saw it, for me was very nostalgic, thanks a lot!