Tyson greatest victory was againest Tucker rather than Berbick or Smith.Like spinks he was undefeated with 35 w 30 of them ok.He is a very simply fighter to wladmir in size and style .Even trained under Steward for a while and went the distance with a prime Lewis
@MrVMAN999 Lewis did the same, but for me his laziness and slow movement made him even more of a bore than Vitali or Wladamir. All I can hope is that an interesting big man fighter like Tyson Fury or David Price can enter the scene and de-throne these robots.
@TheShnakey well i suppose we all have our oppinions, but for me compairing tyson fury or price to lewis or the k bros is like compairing a hamburger to a steak. espicially with fury he has not impressed me that much yet, price i think will be a good fighter but not in the klitschko's league.
@MrVMAN999 I never compared a prime Tyson to a prime Vitali, if anything, I compared Tyson to Chisora when I referenced their punching power. Denying that Lewis and the Klitschkos are boring is ridiculous, their styles consist of moving backwards and jabbing. They don't dodge punches like Mayweather, have a flamboyant style like Roy Jones Jr., or demonstrate blistering speed like Pacquaio. They simply use their enormous size to keep opponents at a distance and jab jab jab.
@crashburnerz As for Lewis well he lurked in the shadows till he spotted a Tyson who had lost everything that made him great. He was slow and lazy as a fighter and that's the truth. The Klitschko brothers for me have ruined the Heavyweight division. Lewis for me was the first in this new boring text book style of boxing which has bored fans of the sport to tears.
@crashburnerz I simply have to disagree, Berbick showed he had talent when he fought Holmes. Chisora of all people showed what a relentless body attack can do to a Klitschko and his power is nowhere near to that of a prime Mike. Tyson had an amazing ability to cut off the ring and pin his opponents against the ropes, something which Chisora failed to do and he still damaged Vitali. The two brothers haven't faced sheer punching power and ferocity that is on par with Tysons.
@TheShnakey i think a peak vitali v peak tyson fight would be 50 50. but i think you are wrong to compair tyson to a 40 year old vitali. just like it would be wrong to compare a peak vitali to a 40 year old tyson. if chisora had met vitali at 31 or 32 then i feel chisora would ahve been kod, but vitali is now definately showing signs of age. i dont under stand how you can say that lewis and the kbros are boring, they play the game the way its meant to be played, hit and not get hit.
40yo past his prime Vitali gave a boxing lesson to Chisora with only his right arm because he suffered a shoulder injury in the early rounds. He beat Chisora with ONE ARM, which is just a testament to Vitali's superb defensive skills. Do you know how hard is to keep a swarmer like Chisora at bay when you cant use the jab?
@crashburnerz i think you have misunderstood me. i did not say anything bad about vitali, i simply said that its wrong to compair a peak tyson to a 40yo past i vitali and visa versa. i understand that vitali may have had only 1 good arm and so it was agood win. but vitali is not the same fighter hew as 7 or8 years ago.
@crashburnerz As for fighting nobodys, this seems to be a trend I see in people giving out about Tyson. What about Razor Ruddock and Trevor Berbick. In fact Tyson beat a superior Berbick to the one Larry Holmes fought and won more convincingly.
All I saw in the Smith fight was a frustrated Tyson that was unable to put down a chump that refused to fight and clinched for 12 rounds, Smith even put Tyson on queer street when he finally let his hands go 10 seconds before the final bell ffs. Berbick? come on, Berbick is one of the worst champions in HW history, anyone could have beaten Berbick! Ruddock is Tyson's best win imo, good victories in 2 crude brawls, but still Ruddock is leagues below a Lewis or Klitschko
@crashburnerz Firstly are you being serious? He outclassed Smith and made him look like an amateur. In fact it backs up my arguement because it showed Tyson could stand and fight as a pose to simply brawling. He was going after the WBA title for god's sake. He didn't want to go in and smother Smith cause it could have cost him the fight if he got caught.
@crashburnerz Skin colour aside, Lewis fought a Tyson so far detached from the 'real' Tyson that it was just embarrassing. Lets be fair, a Tyson under the guidance of D'Amato and Rooney with superb lateral head movement and defense would have demolished Lennox Lewis. The only man I admit may have beaten Tyson during his prime was George Foreman.
Prime Tyson couldn't even demolish a tomato can like Bumcrusher Smith, whose only advantage over Tyson was height. Just because he could KO bums really fast doesn't mean he could do the same with the true elite fighters like Lewis, prime Tyson never fought any elite and even had a rough time with inferior fighters like Smith, Green, Tillis, Tucker, etc. And im not even counting getting owned in his prime by a nobody Buster Douglas
lol, people just dont understand the klitschkos techniques.. just because he doesnt come out steaming at his opponent from round 1 doesnt mean hes a lush boxer. weve seen what happens toboxers like that, either they go out of steam already in round 6, or even if they win, it wont last them long term cause you wont be able to keep that as you age.. they dont have to prove anything they just fight to win. if it doenst look hard to you, you fight them. having said that, alexandr petrovkin will win.
Danny Williams is an ordinary boxer and Klitchko is having a hard time? There are 2 Heavyweights for me Ali and Tyson I rather watch some of their old matches then these boxers.
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anyone who thinks these 2 gargantuic bags of shit can go fuck themselves...they are like trees standing in the ring, no movement no nothing.jab+grab+arm reach-size is the only thing thats saving them-they fucking suck-and the competition today is shit to what it use to be, thats why they can rule heavyweight-every other good fighter goes mma
@0091vincentny either u know nothing about boxing or you are just prejudice. the kbros are great fighters who would have beaten many of the great champs of the past. they have their weaknesses, but so did every other great fighter, its ok to say jab+grab+arm reach size, but in doin so u could discribing another great champ, muhammed ali. if you dont believe me then watch some of the clips on you tube of some of ali's fights.
@0091vincentny Oh yeah I forgot you are a world champ! Sure both are awkward boxers and not your natural style of fighter but both are efficent. Vitali no matter what you think of him demands respect. Defeated twice both by injurys, never put on the canvas and has won many world titles.
just please look at the way klitschkos punches look, just look at the form of his punches..then tell me that man can box, tell me they got technique and skill.....god this is frustrating.i fucking hate them as sportsmen, i aint inmsulting them as people but as sportsman they are an embarassement to the sport of boxing
@0091vincentny youre a dumbass kid okay? they are some of the best boxers alive and are heavyweight champions! how the hell can you call them embarrasing?
klitscko brother-size and no talent, no skill, simply point survival and a punch that goes through here and there...talentless fucking pricks...they are the main reason boxing today has no excitement.....soooooooooo boring ukrainian fucks
@basskillazful what?no proper argument so u have to insult?and the little kid comment?haha i hope i meet ur ugly face someday cunt, so i can rearrange it.and don't hope for death cause the ones that hope for death to others only die themselves.Moron
During the post-fight interview, Briggs the American boxer said: “I’ve fought George Foreman, I’ve fought Lennox Lewis, and Vitali’s the best.” While Klitschko did not knock down Briggs, the latter collapsed after the fight and was hospitalized with facial fractures and a torn biceps.
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@DAJAZDJ1 pathetic...what was it your girlfriend leave you for a black man? your mum run away with one? you even stutter when you are writing this...im white...you intimidated by people of colour? dont you realise there are nasty people of all races but they also have nice people too...i know your ashamed of yourself but cant you vent your anger another way like beating up your little sister or something maybe kick your pet dog? im guessing that the kind of guy you are...
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"Wlad has knocked out only TRUE heavyweights" Tell this to Corrie Sanders dumbass. Lamon Brewster fucked your hero too. Go watch the fight you dumb lamb.
@crashburnerz You're dumber than I tought.In boxing weight and height are not everything.Shavers was the hardest hitter in the history of boxing, he would've rapped that pussy WLADIMIR. And to say that Klitschko's are much better than Foreman must be pure stupidity. Actually you must be the only one in this world to say that today's boxing is better than 70's boxing. All boxers who fought with Wladimir were trash, non-quality. Vitali is a very good boxer but not in the same league as Ali.
@UltraBadg3r I agree with you that weight and height are not everything, but the fact is that the klitschko's are very skillful fighters who know how to use their height, reach and weight very well, just like lennox lewis. they are also very agile for men of their size are athletic and quick. and this is why they are difficult to beat. by the way i never said the klitschkos are the greatist. imo, lennox lewis is the greatist when it comes to boxing abality.
@MrVMAN999 I don't know...the boxing practiced by the Klitschko's is very rudimentary imo. All I see is left jab followed by the right, almost like some programmed robots, nothing new, nothing surprising.This is why their fights are a bit boring. Lennox Lewis is one of the greatest but I don't think he was better than Ali imo.
@UltraBadg3r their style might be rudimentary and it might be boring, but it is effective and requires a great level of skill to execute to full effect. i am a huge boxing fan, so i appreciate the kbros style, but i can understand why other dont like them. however, they have a lot of skill. they control the pace fights very well, they have excellent ring generalship that they can manipulate opponents into positions where they want them, they have excellent anticipation CONT ABOVE
@THENEWJM0NEY507 yes i do have a very happy successful and fulfilled life. besides u obviously took the time to look through how many comments i wrote so perhaps you should question what fucking like u have.
@UltraBadg3r CONT FROM BELOW- and very quick feet, that is why they very realry get hit with any decent punch to nither head or body. also they are very quick and athletic for such big men. the problem is that many of the skills i mentioned are not nevessarly that obvious when watching a boxing match, as audince naturally look for excitement rather then substance, so exciting fighters are often thought to be more skilled then more rudimentary ones.
@MrVMAN999 They have skill against non-agressive and slow opponents. Samuel Peter is slow as shit, Haye barely threw a few shots at him, almost like he didin't want to hurt Klitschko. Chagaev- too slow, Thompson- non-agressive and the list can continue.
@UltraBadg3r- haye did nit gight aggressively, cos wlad nutralised his speed and aggression with his quick hard jab and footwork, as i said previously he has excellent anticipation and footwork so was able to get out of trouble as soon as haye launched an attack. also look at the wlad v chambers fight. another fast fighter who could not even close the gap let alone land any good punches. its easy to say that these guys were non aggressive, but it is funny how they only seem CONTINUED
@MrVMAN999 CONT FRM BELOW- to be non aggressive against the kbros when they are aggressive against every else. haye is normally an aggressive fighter, chambers showed aggression against dimitrenko, a guy bugger then wlad and thompson has stopped all his last 5 opponents, 4 of them within 5 rounds. no as i said they are non-aggressive cos the klitschkos nutralise theoir aggression very well. kbros have faught plenty of fast opponents, such has hide, haye, chambers, byrd, castillo CONTINUED
@UltraBadg3r so i dont think you can say that the kbros only fight slow fighters. besides many of ali and co's opponets such as terrell, lubers and mathis, amoungst others we not exactly quick and a large part of the one's that was were crusersa nd blown up lightheavies such has ellis and quarry.
Yeah, the Kbros can make very fast and skilled fighters like Haye and Chambers look like chumps, because the Kbros aren't only big, they also know how to use their size to control the distance MASTERFULLY. I dont think there's ever been a boxer with all of the tools current Wlad posseses, huge size, boxing skills, footwork, and devastating power all rolled into one.
@crashburnerz thats true, though i think lewis had a better abality to cope in a crisis, and the abality to turn a boxing match into a brawl when it was needed. wlad may well have more natural tallent, but i feel lewis edges him cos he seems to know how to use his skills when it counts, which wlad doesn't always do.
What these nostalgia dickriders dont realize is that size matters a LOT, when the opponent is skilled and knows how to use it. Of course, if you're just a gigantic pituitary retard with no skills like Valuev, size wont help you at all against smaller, skilled opponents. but if the big guy is also athletic, skilled and knows how to use his size, he'll beat the small guy most of the time. Lewis and the Kbros would have dominated the 70's
Just look at Frazier ffs, the only superheavyweight he ever fought was Foreman, and he got overmatched and crushed. Yet these nostalgiafags believe that Frazier would beat Vitali or Wlad, who are bigger, faster, heavier, more skilled and as strong as Foreman was, gimme a fuckin break
@crashburnerz i agree, people with rose tinted glasses. there is no question those guys were great in their own right, but we have to be honest the klitschkos are not only big they have great skill and thats the main difference.
Shavers only fought 20 TRUE heavyweights dumbass, he only managed to KO 11 of them, He amassed his KO collection against BUMS and modern day cruiserweights, Wlad has knocked out only TRUE heavyweights, Shavers was a SHIT fighter, only a journeyman with a punch, he doesn't have the skills to even bother a Klitschko, the 70's were better in term of quantity of good fighters facing each other, but the Kbros would beat most of those fighters, now keep BAAAing sheep
In short, the HW's from the 70's simply dont have the size to compete with top athletes as HUGE and SKILLED as the Klitschkos. Only someone as skilled and gifted as Ali would have a chance, but ffs, SHAVERS? average to mediocre fighters like Shavers would be MASSACRED by the Kbros. Just look at the kind of domination Foreman exerted in the 70's due to his size and power alone. The Klitschkos are bigger, faster and more skilled than 70's Foreman could ever hope to be.
You must jack off to your own self delusional bullshit. You are sooooooo happy that a white face is on heavy weight boxing aren't you. Just like the system wanted and you are so fucking clueless. Tyson would have destroyed them K bros as you call them. DESTROYED THEM. I saw Tyson fight big ass motherfuckers like the Kbros and he ate them for lunch.
Hey, you want to see blacks go full throttle into hockey? You'd piss your fucking pants.
Oh look, another moronic black guy with inferiority complex, have you people noticed how the only fools that keep mentioning skin color in sports are precissely blacks? I dont care about a fighter's skin color, i only care about what they do in the ring.
Tyson NEVER fought somebody with size AND skills on similar level as the Klitschkos. Oh wait, on a second thought, he did, he fought Lennox Lewis and guess what, he got his ass kicked
@crashburnerz ok, lets make something cleat...he fought lewis at the time he took enough drugs to kill a fucking buffon herd dumbass.are u even trying to compare the skill, speed, tallent of one mike tyson(the top 3 boxers that ever lived) with a humongous fucking talentless creatures like klitschko brothers?are u fucking kidding me moron?the klitschko borthers are the worst, most boring fucking boxers i have ever seen.no speed, no mobility no nothing, only height and arm length, no talent.fucku
@crashburnerz and why did tyson loose against lewis? without don king and the new coach who just made him move moore slowly everything would be different. he was just not the same person like he was in his prime. lennox vs. tyson in his prime would be a completely different fight!
Tyson was over the hill when he fought Lewis, in his prime he'd have done better but still would have lost. Tyson always had a rough time with guys who were not scared to fight, who were big, who had speed and a long powerful jab. Lewis is all that and a bag of chips. Tyson lacked a lot in height/reach for HW's standards, sure he could compensate it with speed and skills against lesser opponents, but not ppl like Lewis and the Kbros who are huge, skilled AND athletic
Tyson fought a 38yo washed up Larry Holmes that was coming of a 2 year lay-off and had lost his 2 previous matches, Holmes was truly at the worst moment of his career and was a shadow of himself, and it was really stupid from him to fight Tyson without at least a tune-up fight. Still a good victory but shouldn't be regarded too highly because of the circumstances.
Well Ali was faster in the 60´s but he still got hit a lot, a cw Henry Cooper almost stopped Ali, and his best oppenent was Liston wich many thought was old and past it when they fought.
@SimonCoweI Lewis was at his heaviest and took the fight at two weeks notice. Lennox was at the end of his career he was gassing from pretty much the start, despite this Lennox still managed to cause a reasonable amount of damage. I have watched that fight a few times and Lewis was getting the better of Vitali at the end even though he started slowly when it finished Vitali's face was hanging off. So TKO 6 and know what your talking about before you insult others dick head.
@evoste Lewis had been training for Kirk Johnson, Kirk pulled out and Vitali stepped in with three weeks notice, therefore Lewis should have been the better prepared of the two. Lewis was absolutely fucked at the end of the fight and I'm pretty sure one more round would have been enough to knock him out. Vitali looked the fresher despite the cut, and was ahead on all cards. Don't give me that 'Lewis wasn't ready' bullshit, he had plenty of time to get ready, longer than Vitali. You are a tool.
@SimonCoweI Lewis was a lazy fuck he was unprepared for the fight if he was prime he would have beaten klitchko without having to stand and trade, easy UD or late KO. Vitali hasn't the skill to deal with a fit Lewis. My point being Lewis had no interest in the fight and as such did not prepare but still busted Vitali good. Why do people like you bitch about a decision that goes against your fighter and still go on 10 years later?
@SimonCoweI Let me spell it out as you have a problem comprehending what I have stated. Lewis was at the end of his career he had fought everyone from his era and beat them. Vitali was early and not well known. Lewis got the result from the fight through smashing Vitalii's face in. Your man got beat from cut's it happens in fight and cock suckers like you bitch without acknowledging that Lewis battered him. Vitali was holding for dear life at the end and then crying like a bitch..
@evoste Did you SERIOUSLY believe Lewis retired for any other reason other than fear? If so, you are a gullible idiot and will believe anything. He rematched the two bums who KOd him, so why not Vitali? The fight left unanswered questions, and Lewis' legacy will suffer because of it, and rightly so.
@SimonCoweI Lewis took the fight at short notice which is fact, and he didn't rate Vitali before the fight which was Lewis's mistake he had achieved what he wanted in the sport and didn't have the hunger after beating Tyson. It was high risk for low reward. He game in at 254 and was knackered from the start but the fact remains Lewis was causing a lot of physical damage as the rounds grew BOTH men were gassing and holding towards the later rounds BOTH fighters were vulnerable.
@SimonCoweI No Lewis had made his money in the sport and beaten the guys out of his era, a rematch here would have been high risk with little reward Vitali was still fairly unknown at this point. As far as legacy goes your a clown as Lewis's Legacy has gone up since the K brothers. So again you piss in the wind with statements that are not based in reality. Your guy got beat, why would Lennox rematch? so he could get beat at the end of his career? stop smoking crack Simple Simon.
@SimonCoweI Lewis was loaded he fought everyone he wanted and beat them. Lewis had a little cut on the bridge of his nose and very slight swelling on the face around the eyes. Vitali on the other hand looked like he had been raped anally assaulted with a crowbar and a claw hammer to the face! your biased and blind to the fact if the fight had gone muchr longer Vitali would have sustained serious damage to the face. your guy lost deal with it and move on son.
@evoste Yeah he fought everyone as soon as they were washed up, and all the 'legends' he beat went on to lose to complete bums, proving how finished they all were. Vitali's face may have been in a worse state, I know that already, what I am saying is Lewis was losing the fight and the cut was very fortunate. I know Lewis got the win, but everyone knows who the better man was. Lewis refused to rematch Vitali, why is that? Any idiot can see he was scared, why can't you?
@SimonCoweI by your own admission Vitali's face was worse than Lewis, so why do you still bitch like a little girl? because guess what fights get stopped through cut's, that has and always be in the sport, so DEAL with it. If the fight had continued then Lewis would have punched Vitali's WHOLE face off and it would have looked like Lennox fighting Skeletor!! By the way dick head fights are 12 rounds and Lennox was scoring heavily before the end, Vitali was FUBAR deal with it bitch.
@evoste I'm 'bitching' because Lewis was losing the fight. This creates unfinished business, as Vitali wanted to carry on. Lewis was not scoring heavily, he may have just about taken the 6th round, there were six more to go and Lewis was miles behind. How can you predict what would have happened if the fight carried on? To me it looked like Lewis was about to collapse, so how you can confidently predict he would have suddenly definitely ripped Vitalis whole face off just proves your ignorance.
@evoste The right thing to do would be honour the rematch he promise Vitali. Why didn't he? I thought he loved rematches. Fact is Lewis bitched out and retired rather than face Vitali again. FACT. DEAL WITH IT! lol you sound so angry! truth hurting? Hehehehe....
@SimonCoweI I'm cool, my dude won the fight!. He could have had a rematch but as I keep on saying he couldn't be arsed for a small pay day at the end of his career. Vitali was in trouble you concede that Lewis was on top at the end of the fight. So just let it go.... Your guy got beat and the record books will show this in decades to come. If it would have continued your guy would have looked like the Elephant Man. You still cannot explain the fact your guy was badly injured.
@evoste Hahaha you don't know shit! Lennox was offered 20+ million for a rematch but simply wasn't up for it. I let the loss go ages ago, why don't you follow suit and let the fact that Lewis pussied out of a rematch go? Hehehehe...such an idiot.
@SimonCoweI I said he couldn't be arsed several times. Your sore because I have rationally explained the situation in several post's and all you can respond is saying Lewis is a pussy. I think it would be nice if you now stfu,
@evoste I didn't only say Lewis was a pussy though did I? That's a lie. What I said was I know he won the fight legally but any fucking twat can see there is unfinished business. Any twat can also see that Lewis retired due to fear of facing Vitali again. These are valid points and obvious to anyone with a fucking working brain.
@SimonCoweI come on take your tablets and calm yourself, it is finished business Lewis won TKO 6 round. deal with it. Go and have a little cry in the corner and when you feel the pain of your guy getting KTFO you can then move on with your life. Do you think Vitali is still bitching like a girl?. You're not a boxing fan your K Brothers fan which is fine, but don't pretend you know about boxing because your lack of knowledge will be exposed. Take your tablets and chill. Lewis>Vitali
@evoste Lewis may have the win on his record but Vitali gets all the credit for that fight. Lewis will be the one called a coward and a bitch for the rest of his life! If all that matters to you is the W on the record then you are as gutless as Lewis himself! I bet you're the sort of guy who would hit someone from behind and claim you beat them up. Everyone on here is taking the piss out of you lol
@vpsmu & @crashburnerz I am a huge fan of Ali, but i would not make him a favourite against either of the Kbros. to insinuate that the Kbros, mainly Vitali are not hard is a huge mistake. Vitali has never been knocked off is feet and has faced some huge punchers whereas Ali was put down by 180 lb Henry Cooper. also the Kbros have great skill and know how to use they size effectively. i honestly dont think ali could match an opponent much bigger them him with a considerable degree of skill.
I think a prime Ali could defeat Vitali by UD (no way by KO, though), given his catlike reflexes, superb footwork, chin and the fact he was pretty tall for his era, im talking about Ali from the 60's. Ali from the 70's aint fast enough, still very fast hands but not the legs, Vitali's size and reach would be too much to overcome, he could simply outscore him with jabs from outside. This is a fight where Wlad would do better than his brother
@crashburnerz the 60s Ali was great fighter no doubt, but i wouldstill put Vitali as a favourite. if you look at the Klitschko v Herby Hide fight. Vitaly beat a guy who brought similar skills to Ali ie fast hands, feet and good movement (and possibly a better punch). im not saying that Hide was necessarly as good as Ali, but the fact is that Vitali has fought people who had similarities to Ali where as Ali never realy faught anyone too similar to Vitali. also a peak Vitali was also pretty fast
And yeah, Vitali has a cast iron chin, Ali wont KO him, his power was decent but nothing to write home about, 39 rounds and he couldn't hurt Norton, or KO the smaller Cooper. Vitali took the uppercuts of Lennox Lewis (the best HW ever according to Ali himself btw) and punches from people like Sanders (Hasim Rahman said Corrie Sanders hits harder than anyone else he's fought, and Rahman has faced heavy hitters, Lennox Lewis, David Tua, Holyfield, etc) and Vitali didn't went down.
@MrVMAN999 The problem is that neither brother has a rounded skill set, pushing your opponent down and jabbing is not good skill's. Ali would school both of them as they have never faced someone as rounded as Ali and before the clowns shout David Haye GTFOH!. Haye is not fit to carry Ali's spitoon. I think the Klit's would be too much for nearly all the old timers but not skilled enough to beat all. I think their legacy will increase when they retire, this was not a strong era IMHO.
@MrVMAN999 but Ali didn't just jab and push down on Foreman as Foreman was bigger and stronger than him. My problem with the K brothers is that they have had very little competition. I'm sorry but I don't agree that the bums now are anyway near the skill level or desire and hunger that the old timers have. I have followed boxing all my life and still think it can produce the excitement, but the depth of talent is far less nowadays and that is just a fact.
@evoste If the depth of talent is less, it is not he brother's fault. but anyway its not a fact it your belief that there is less depth in tallent today. to be proved fact something needs to go through some scientific scrutiny.
i am also a hughe boxing fan, and was once like you in that i believed the 70s era fghters were better then the kbros. but after cacrefully looking at their styles, opponents records, skills and compared them to the kbros, my oppinion changed. CONTINUED ABOVE.
@MrVMAN999 Er no, I agree Vitali would have a good chance against most of the old timers but not top 5 all time. It is a fact that a lot of talent has been lost to other sports especially African American fighters, I would also say a lot of the best trainers who fully understood the sport are dead or very old.and although fighters were smaller they fought far more often and the therefore more punch resistant than modern fighters. I conclude more fights = more experience and harder.
@MrVMAN999 I would also finish you off by saying that dudes used to fight 15 rounds HW today are way out of shape even the Clits would struggle to go 12 rounds never mind 15, both you and SCowel do not know shit other than a bit of surface shite, none of the heavyweights at the moment are skilled and they all lack stamina just because they are bigger, your having a laugh both you and Cowel need to go and suck each other off while whispering BS about boxing to each other. pwnd pssy.
@MrVMAN999 You have been owned you little bitch, you and Cowel can go suck each other off. When confronted with facts you just bitch rather than rationally and objectively argue your points. I suspect you and Cowel are the same little runt. You lost the argument when you said Herby Hide has similar skills to Ali! GTFOH you've followed boxing your whole life and you come out with that shit? stick with transformers and take your cock out of Cowel's mouth. Evoste>MrVann999+Cowel. pwnd!!
@evoste look dickhead i too can give you a whole load of facts regarding why i think the kbros could beat ali and co, but when childish prick like you start telling me to suck someone off you show your self to be a complete wanker that not worth my time.
if you want to have a proper discussion without the playground talk then im happy to oblidge you and argue my points rationally and objectively. if not go and FUCK OFF.
@MrVMAN999 both you and the other little clown have not argued your points at all. I have said time and time again my points and both of you don't answer them, you have not responded to any of my points. The guys in the 70's are better for ALL the points I have raised and you have not responded to 1. David Haye = Mohammed Ali that's some funny shit right there put your crack pipe down and stop taking shit. PWND
@evoste Ive just read through all the post u have sent to me and there is not one salient point showing any evidence to support your claim. you are stating oppoinion and claiming its fact. all those fighters from that era, they were all very beat-able and i feel the kbros would ahve been too much for any of them. look at ali's fights against Cooper, Mildenberger, bonavena and several others all men who were 6'1 or under with relatively small reaches. all these guys- CONTINUED ABOVE
@evoste CONTINUED FROM BELOW- all these guys managed to catch ali with clean punches on a regular basis cooper even dropped ali in their 1st fight. if these guys could catch ali, the kbros with much longer reaches definately could. also lets not forget that ali fighting in an era where man heavys would have been cruser weights today did not have a great ko ratio. he was not a hard puncher, and i dont think he could have kod the kbros espicially vitali. CONT ABOVE.
@evoste CONT FRM BELOW- your argument that guys were tougher back then cos they faught more often and went 15 rounds is silly. in that case guys 100 years ago like jack johnson, who drank smoke and did all sort of shit was tougher still cos he faught even more then 70s lot and faught up to 30 rounds. any modern fighter could train to go 15 rounds if they had to and fight 10 fights a year. they dont cost they realise there is no need to. also i dont know how you can say all the CONT ABOVE
@evoste CONT FRM BELOW-best trainers are dead, guys like freddy roach and manny stewart are arguably as good as dundee, futch and d'mato. and finally i dont understand what your point about afro american going into other sports has to do with this cos that is another discussion all together. i suggest you watch your fights more objectively objectively from now on cos you definatey seem to be influenced by your own bias. also listen to the commentary on the 1st klitschko-sam peter fight- CONT ABV
@evoste CONT FRM BELOW- and see what foreman says about ali and holding. also watch the 2nd fight against cooper where ali holds considerably. i dont think you can accuse the kbros of holding when ali did it as much. and by the way if you bothered to read what i wrote correctly, i said herby hidy was probably not as good as ali, i just said he brought similar skills in speed and movement, as did haye and castillio. who did ali fight that you could say was similar to the kbros.
@MrVMAN999 Ha ha ha, Owning you and Cowel has been enjoyable, in future don't open your mouth unless you know what your talking about otherwise like the other clueless cock you end up getting owned by someone who does. Some things in life are debatable comparing David Haye and Herbie Hyde to Mr M Ali is just fantastic on another level. I will use you cocksuckers as an anecdote to my mates who are boxing fans and we will laugh at this shit trust me. PWND
@evoste CONTINUED FROM BELOW- i am a big fan of the 70s heavys, but just feel they wern't as good as people think they were. i feel Ali and maybe foreman would have been competetive against todays fighters (although i would put them as underdog against the kbros or lennox lewis), but honestly feel all the others-frazier, lyle, norton,quarry ect would not be. i know lots, perhaps most may disagree with me, but it is what i believe and i can give my reasons if you really want me to.
@MrVMAN999 I agree, those guys were good for their time but mainly due to the character of Ali making the era exciting. There was nothing too exceptional skillwise going on, and they were all extremely beatable. People confuse excitement with skill.
@SimonCoweI thats right, its nice to see another person who has enough wisdom to see what is obvious. evoste is just a stupid twat who is most probably basing his assumptions on reputation rather then on evidence. i don't want to waste my time takling to childish wankers like that any more.
@evoste Also, Ali never fought anyone as skilled/big/strong as the K bros, yet he still struggled against bums and lost several fights. How do you come to the conclusion that Ali would school them? You make no sense man, NONE. You are either blinded by hatred or just plain fucking DUMB.
Vitali already beat a modern version of Muhammad Ali in Herbie Hide. Check out his fights in YT, he's like a freakin clone of 70's Ali, the style, the footwork, the jab, the outboxing ability, it's all there (except the chin). He was nicknamed ¨the dancing destroyer¨ for a reason. Vitali knocked him out in the 2nd round.
I give a chance to Ali from the 60's to defeat Vitali by points, because along with being extremely skilled the guy was exceptionally fast with catlike reflexes. Ali from the 70's would get mauled by Vitali and even worse by Wlad. And yeah, all the old timers are massively overrated in boxing. It is the only sport where fans are stupid enough to think the top athletes from 30 or 40 years ago would crush the TOP athletes of today. In NBA or NFL, people would laugh at you for that.
@crashburnerz i mainly agree with you. 60s ali would have achance, but vitali and wlad would be favourites inmy eyes. as others have said, ali could be could be caught wven by relatively average fighters, just look at the fights against mildenburger, cooper, bonavena, doug jones to name a few.
Yeah, Ali looked amazing at times, and pretty ordinary in others, but Ali in his bestest night could defeat anyone imo. Realistically, I dont see any HW champion in history beating current Wlad, besides probably a prime Lennox Lewis
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@MrVMAN999 hei stop talking bullshit about The Greatest in the history of boxing. Don't you ever compare the Klitschko brothers with Muhammad Ali, especially Wladimir who has a glass chin. Have a look at Ali's opponents...Liston, Foreman, Frazier, Norton, Shavers and many others, they were all super boxers, at least one class over Klitschko.I don't even want to think about what Foreman would've have done to Klitschko if they had fought.Ali was too fast and too tough for them.
You're just a brainless sheep, like all nostalgia dickriders, you're just following the herd without even using common sense. I bet you havent even noticed that the VAST majority of Heavyweights from the 60's and 70's would be small cruiserweights today, even Foreman who was considered a monster for his time would be a small today. Only few HW's could hit the 215 lbs in the 70's and most of them were bums, the Klistchkos hit the 245 lbs
@UltraBadg3r yeah and why dont you watch the fight between ali and cooper where a 180lb cooper put ali on is arse and hurt him so b ad that angelo dundee had to use smelling salts to help bring him aroound, an act that was illeagle, meaning that ali should have been disqualified. also look at ali's performances against guys like mildenburger, doug jones, bonavena and blin. all pretty ordinary fighters, much smaller them him with less reach. they all gave ali problems. CONTINUED ABOVE
@MrVMAN999 Cooper was a boxer too (a good one, see his record) what would you want Ali do? Spit on him and KO him, c''mon..The fact that Ali beat him in the second round proves his greatness, so you gave me a bad example.Also the fight with Bonavena was won by Ali and I liked how he boxed in that fight. If you wanna see a real WUSS look at Wladimir's fight with Ross Puritty, the wuss was going down and up like a drunk bastard, also Corrie Sanders toyed with him, Brewster murdered him.
Do you realize that those losses of Wladimir happened like a decade ago? why you clowns keep bringing them as if they mattered today? Wlad is leagues above the fighter he was back then, and looks invincible right now. Current Wlad would be a terror for everyone in history.
@crashburnerz No, current Wlad is a terror for today's wussies like Haye.And even so, Wlad barely landed a few shots on Haye. Boxers like Tyson, Frazier, Holyfield would rape Wladimir.
@UltraBadg3r CONTINUED FRM BELOW- ali was the greatist in terms of personality and generating interest ect, but not the greatist for fighting abality. as for foreman, he may have a chance against wlad, but no chance against a peak vitali, look again at the fight against ali, to see how basic his skills were. he telegraphed punches too much and after 4 rounds just stood square on to ali and poured at him rather then punched. foreman relied on his strength and power too much CONTINUED.
@UltraBadg3r CONT FRM BELOW- and against the klitschkos he would have met his match also the kbros would not have just stood and traded with him like frazier and norton tried to do. they would move and jab. i admit, IF he caught wlad with a good punch he could probably ko him, but as far as i am concerned that would be a BIG IF.
@MrVMAN999 It is valid because you can only be measured by who you fought and yes the Klit's have dominated their era, but who have they beat Herby Hyde, David Haye?, the reason the 70's were better is the were several good fighters who all fought each other, I do think there were a lot of bums back then but there were say 4-5 fighters who would easily get a belt today, bigger does not equate to better or more skilled.
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ophrynion 4 hours ago
Tyson greatest victory was againest Tucker rather than Berbick or Smith.Like spinks he was undefeated with 35 w 30 of them ok.He is a very simply fighter to wladmir in size and style .Even trained under Steward for a while and went the distance with a prime Lewis
MegaEvilempire 1 day ago
@MrVMAN999 Lewis did the same, but for me his laziness and slow movement made him even more of a bore than Vitali or Wladamir. All I can hope is that an interesting big man fighter like Tyson Fury or David Price can enter the scene and de-throne these robots.
TheShnakey 1 day ago
@TheShnakey well i suppose we all have our oppinions, but for me compairing tyson fury or price to lewis or the k bros is like compairing a hamburger to a steak. espicially with fury he has not impressed me that much yet, price i think will be a good fighter but not in the klitschko's league.
MrVMAN999 1 day ago
@MrVMAN999
Comparing Tyson Fury with a Klitschko is like comparing urine to pepsi. Fury's biggest accomplishment so far was to punch himself in the face.
crashburnerz 1 day ago
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@MrVMAN999 I never compared a prime Tyson to a prime Vitali, if anything, I compared Tyson to Chisora when I referenced their punching power. Denying that Lewis and the Klitschkos are boring is ridiculous, their styles consist of moving backwards and jabbing. They don't dodge punches like Mayweather, have a flamboyant style like Roy Jones Jr., or demonstrate blistering speed like Pacquaio. They simply use their enormous size to keep opponents at a distance and jab jab jab.
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TheShnakey 1 day ago
@crashburnerz As for Lewis well he lurked in the shadows till he spotted a Tyson who had lost everything that made him great. He was slow and lazy as a fighter and that's the truth. The Klitschko brothers for me have ruined the Heavyweight division. Lewis for me was the first in this new boring text book style of boxing which has bored fans of the sport to tears.
TheShnakey 1 day ago
@crashburnerz I simply have to disagree, Berbick showed he had talent when he fought Holmes. Chisora of all people showed what a relentless body attack can do to a Klitschko and his power is nowhere near to that of a prime Mike. Tyson had an amazing ability to cut off the ring and pin his opponents against the ropes, something which Chisora failed to do and he still damaged Vitali. The two brothers haven't faced sheer punching power and ferocity that is on par with Tysons.
TheShnakey 1 day ago
@TheShnakey i think a peak vitali v peak tyson fight would be 50 50. but i think you are wrong to compair tyson to a 40 year old vitali. just like it would be wrong to compare a peak vitali to a 40 year old tyson. if chisora had met vitali at 31 or 32 then i feel chisora would ahve been kod, but vitali is now definately showing signs of age. i dont under stand how you can say that lewis and the kbros are boring, they play the game the way its meant to be played, hit and not get hit.
MrVMAN999 1 day ago
@MrVMAN999
40yo past his prime Vitali gave a boxing lesson to Chisora with only his right arm because he suffered a shoulder injury in the early rounds. He beat Chisora with ONE ARM, which is just a testament to Vitali's superb defensive skills. Do you know how hard is to keep a swarmer like Chisora at bay when you cant use the jab?
crashburnerz 15 hours ago
@crashburnerz i think you have misunderstood me. i did not say anything bad about vitali, i simply said that its wrong to compair a peak tyson to a 40yo past i vitali and visa versa. i understand that vitali may have had only 1 good arm and so it was agood win. but vitali is not the same fighter hew as 7 or8 years ago.
MrVMAN999 9 hours ago
@crashburnerz As for fighting nobodys, this seems to be a trend I see in people giving out about Tyson. What about Razor Ruddock and Trevor Berbick. In fact Tyson beat a superior Berbick to the one Larry Holmes fought and won more convincingly.
TheShnakey 1 day ago
@TheShnakey
All I saw in the Smith fight was a frustrated Tyson that was unable to put down a chump that refused to fight and clinched for 12 rounds, Smith even put Tyson on queer street when he finally let his hands go 10 seconds before the final bell ffs. Berbick? come on, Berbick is one of the worst champions in HW history, anyone could have beaten Berbick! Ruddock is Tyson's best win imo, good victories in 2 crude brawls, but still Ruddock is leagues below a Lewis or Klitschko
crashburnerz 1 day ago
@crashburnerz Firstly are you being serious? He outclassed Smith and made him look like an amateur. In fact it backs up my arguement because it showed Tyson could stand and fight as a pose to simply brawling. He was going after the WBA title for god's sake. He didn't want to go in and smother Smith cause it could have cost him the fight if he got caught.
TheShnakey 1 day ago
@crashburnerz Skin colour aside, Lewis fought a Tyson so far detached from the 'real' Tyson that it was just embarrassing. Lets be fair, a Tyson under the guidance of D'Amato and Rooney with superb lateral head movement and defense would have demolished Lennox Lewis. The only man I admit may have beaten Tyson during his prime was George Foreman.
TheShnakey 2 days ago
@TheShnakey
Prime Tyson couldn't even demolish a tomato can like Bumcrusher Smith, whose only advantage over Tyson was height. Just because he could KO bums really fast doesn't mean he could do the same with the true elite fighters like Lewis, prime Tyson never fought any elite and even had a rough time with inferior fighters like Smith, Green, Tillis, Tucker, etc. And im not even counting getting owned in his prime by a nobody Buster Douglas
crashburnerz 1 day ago
I seriously think that Vitali would of beaten ANY past champions
cooper512 2 days ago
@cooper512 Possible, he has very strong power, hes Like Ivan drago ll.
Mindaugas7100 2 days ago
oh wow, i didnt even noticed until one of the commentators said it, the ring floor is literally sprinkled with blood
elektrokuma 2 days ago
lol, people just dont understand the klitschkos techniques.. just because he doesnt come out steaming at his opponent from round 1 doesnt mean hes a lush boxer. weve seen what happens toboxers like that, either they go out of steam already in round 6, or even if they win, it wont last them long term cause you wont be able to keep that as you age.. they dont have to prove anything they just fight to win. if it doenst look hard to you, you fight them. having said that, alexandr petrovkin will win.
elektrokuma 3 days ago
Danny Williams is an ordinary boxer and Klitchko is having a hard time? There are 2 Heavyweights for me Ali and Tyson I rather watch some of their old matches then these boxers.
turk0571 3 days ago
@turk0571 How is he having a hard time? He clearly won all the rounds and finally won by TKO. It was a target practice if you ask me.
sashacosta 3 days ago
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MsManumata 3 days ago
Vitali is a natural talent, looks boring but he´s good.
bicnarok 4 days ago
who let the punching bag out of the gym ?
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philcoool 5 days ago
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0Turbox 6 days ago
anyone who thinks these 2 gargantuic bags of shit can go fuck themselves...they are like trees standing in the ring, no movement no nothing.jab+grab+arm reach-size is the only thing thats saving them-they fucking suck-and the competition today is shit to what it use to be, thats why they can rule heavyweight-every other good fighter goes mma
0091vincentny 1 week ago
@0091vincentny either u know nothing about boxing or you are just prejudice. the kbros are great fighters who would have beaten many of the great champs of the past. they have their weaknesses, but so did every other great fighter, its ok to say jab+grab+arm reach size, but in doin so u could discribing another great champ, muhammed ali. if you dont believe me then watch some of the clips on you tube of some of ali's fights.
mrcsirron 1 week ago
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@0091vincentny Oh yeah I forgot you are a world champ! Sure both are awkward boxers and not your natural style of fighter but both are efficent. Vitali no matter what you think of him demands respect. Defeated twice both by injurys, never put on the canvas and has won many world titles.
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@0091vincentny The other problem I have with your comment is you talk about good fighters going to MMA.... Vitali started as an MMA fighter!!
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sraka100100 1 week ago
just please look at the way klitschkos punches look, just look at the form of his punches..then tell me that man can box, tell me they got technique and skill.....god this is frustrating.i fucking hate them as sportsmen, i aint inmsulting them as people but as sportsman they are an embarassement to the sport of boxing
0091vincentny 1 week ago
@0091vincentny in what way do the klitscko bros lack skill? they are the two most skilled heavyweights in the world today, thats why they dominate.
mrcsirron 1 week ago 12
@0091vincentny youre a dumbass kid okay? they are some of the best boxers alive and are heavyweight champions! how the hell can you call them embarrasing?
hondaspeed152 1 week ago
klitscko brother-size and no talent, no skill, simply point survival and a punch that goes through here and there...talentless fucking pricks...they are the main reason boxing today has no excitement.....soooooooooo boring ukrainian fucks
0091vincentny 1 week ago
@0091vincentny shut up... and suck my dick. little kid... i hope u die
basskillazful 1 week ago
@basskillazful what?no proper argument so u have to insult?and the little kid comment?haha i hope i meet ur ugly face someday cunt, so i can rearrange it.and don't hope for death cause the ones that hope for death to others only die themselves.Moron
0091vincentny 1 week ago
During the post-fight interview, Briggs the American boxer said: “I’ve fought George Foreman, I’ve fought Lennox Lewis, and Vitali’s the best.” While Klitschko did not knock down Briggs, the latter collapsed after the fight and was hospitalized with facial fractures and a torn biceps.
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AutisticMonk 1 week ago
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AutisticMonk 1 week ago
Pussy ass fight. Mob controlled game. The boxing system decided that they needed a white face in boxing so they got these two college guys, beefed them up and made them into stars. All rigged. haters will hate. Like when so many whites wanted to kill Hank Arron about 40 years ago because he about the beat the Babe's HR record.
flirtwd 1 week ago
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AutisticMonk 1 week ago
is this a box match or I miss something !? mike tyson is boxer,roy jones,lenox luis,ALI M. this is funny.
maradonaaa91 1 week ago
@maradonaaa91 Haha Vitali has beaten the shit out of Lenox!
IlPadrino500 1 week ago 2
@IlPadrino500 when? in 2003 lewis won by a country mile.. are you on crack?
cuprasport 1 week ago
@cuprasport Have you actually seen the fight? Lewis retired rather than rematch Vitali.. that is in Lewis own words.
tn21beer 1 week ago
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AutisticMonk 1 week ago
@IlPadrino500 I doubt it when you see that lennox totally destroyed his face into a seething mess.
Master1906 1 week ago
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DAJAZDJ1 1 week ago
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DAJAZDJ1 1 week ago
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kerno1972 1 week ago
IF VITALI WAS A BLACK AMERICAN THEYD GIVE HIM MUCH MORE RESPECT
MrLeebo123 1 week ago
@MrLeebo123 But Vitaly Ukrainian. And I also Ukrainian, and you are racist.
TarasVM 1 week ago
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MrLeebo123 1 week ago
For Vitali Klitschko: Hurrah!
Dualismoassoluto 1 week ago
btw, Lennox Lewis would also beat the crap of the 70's hw's, even Ali and Foreman said he was the best
crashburnerz 2 weeks ago
@crashburnerz You're not worth the effort.
"Wlad has knocked out only TRUE heavyweights" Tell this to Corrie Sanders dumbass. Lamon Brewster fucked your hero too. Go watch the fight you dumb lamb.
UltraBadg3r 2 weeks ago
@crashburnerz You're dumber than I tought.In boxing weight and height are not everything.Shavers was the hardest hitter in the history of boxing, he would've rapped that pussy WLADIMIR. And to say that Klitschko's are much better than Foreman must be pure stupidity. Actually you must be the only one in this world to say that today's boxing is better than 70's boxing. All boxers who fought with Wladimir were trash, non-quality. Vitali is a very good boxer but not in the same league as Ali.
UltraBadg3r 2 weeks ago
@UltraBadg3r I agree with you that weight and height are not everything, but the fact is that the klitschko's are very skillful fighters who know how to use their height, reach and weight very well, just like lennox lewis. they are also very agile for men of their size are athletic and quick. and this is why they are difficult to beat. by the way i never said the klitschkos are the greatist. imo, lennox lewis is the greatist when it comes to boxing abality.
MrVMAN999 2 weeks ago
@MrVMAN999 I don't know...the boxing practiced by the Klitschko's is very rudimentary imo. All I see is left jab followed by the right, almost like some programmed robots, nothing new, nothing surprising.This is why their fights are a bit boring. Lennox Lewis is one of the greatest but I don't think he was better than Ali imo.
UltraBadg3r 2 weeks ago
@UltraBadg3r their style might be rudimentary and it might be boring, but it is effective and requires a great level of skill to execute to full effect. i am a huge boxing fan, so i appreciate the kbros style, but i can understand why other dont like them. however, they have a lot of skill. they control the pace fights very well, they have excellent ring generalship that they can manipulate opponents into positions where they want them, they have excellent anticipation CONT ABOVE
MrVMAN999 2 weeks ago
@MrVMAN999 do u have a life? nearly 10 comments in a row? its youtube not a fucking blog
THENEWJM0NEY507 1 week ago
@THENEWJM0NEY507 yes i do have a very happy successful and fulfilled life. besides u obviously took the time to look through how many comments i wrote so perhaps you should question what fucking like u have.
MrVMAN999 1 week ago
@UltraBadg3r CONT FROM BELOW- and very quick feet, that is why they very realry get hit with any decent punch to nither head or body. also they are very quick and athletic for such big men. the problem is that many of the skills i mentioned are not nevessarly that obvious when watching a boxing match, as audince naturally look for excitement rather then substance, so exciting fighters are often thought to be more skilled then more rudimentary ones.
MrVMAN999 2 weeks ago
@MrVMAN999 They have skill against non-agressive and slow opponents. Samuel Peter is slow as shit, Haye barely threw a few shots at him, almost like he didin't want to hurt Klitschko. Chagaev- too slow, Thompson- non-agressive and the list can continue.
UltraBadg3r 2 weeks ago
@UltraBadg3r- haye did nit gight aggressively, cos wlad nutralised his speed and aggression with his quick hard jab and footwork, as i said previously he has excellent anticipation and footwork so was able to get out of trouble as soon as haye launched an attack. also look at the wlad v chambers fight. another fast fighter who could not even close the gap let alone land any good punches. its easy to say that these guys were non aggressive, but it is funny how they only seem CONTINUED
MrVMAN999 2 weeks ago
@MrVMAN999 CONT FRM BELOW- to be non aggressive against the kbros when they are aggressive against every else. haye is normally an aggressive fighter, chambers showed aggression against dimitrenko, a guy bugger then wlad and thompson has stopped all his last 5 opponents, 4 of them within 5 rounds. no as i said they are non-aggressive cos the klitschkos nutralise theoir aggression very well. kbros have faught plenty of fast opponents, such has hide, haye, chambers, byrd, castillo CONTINUED
MrVMAN999 2 weeks ago
@UltraBadg3r so i dont think you can say that the kbros only fight slow fighters. besides many of ali and co's opponets such as terrell, lubers and mathis, amoungst others we not exactly quick and a large part of the one's that was were crusersa nd blown up lightheavies such has ellis and quarry.
MrVMAN999 2 weeks ago
@MrVMAN999
Yeah, the Kbros can make very fast and skilled fighters like Haye and Chambers look like chumps, because the Kbros aren't only big, they also know how to use their size to control the distance MASTERFULLY. I dont think there's ever been a boxer with all of the tools current Wlad posseses, huge size, boxing skills, footwork, and devastating power all rolled into one.
crashburnerz 2 weeks ago
@crashburnerz thats true, though i think lewis had a better abality to cope in a crisis, and the abality to turn a boxing match into a brawl when it was needed. wlad may well have more natural tallent, but i feel lewis edges him cos he seems to know how to use his skills when it counts, which wlad doesn't always do.
MrVMAN999 2 weeks ago
@MrVMAN999
What these nostalgia dickriders dont realize is that size matters a LOT, when the opponent is skilled and knows how to use it. Of course, if you're just a gigantic pituitary retard with no skills like Valuev, size wont help you at all against smaller, skilled opponents. but if the big guy is also athletic, skilled and knows how to use his size, he'll beat the small guy most of the time. Lewis and the Kbros would have dominated the 70's
crashburnerz 2 weeks ago
@MrVMAN999
Just look at Frazier ffs, the only superheavyweight he ever fought was Foreman, and he got overmatched and crushed. Yet these nostalgiafags believe that Frazier would beat Vitali or Wlad, who are bigger, faster, heavier, more skilled and as strong as Foreman was, gimme a fuckin break
crashburnerz 2 weeks ago
@crashburnerz i agree, people with rose tinted glasses. there is no question those guys were great in their own right, but we have to be honest the klitschkos are not only big they have great skill and thats the main difference.
MrVMAN999 2 weeks ago
@UltraBadg3r
Shavers only fought 20 TRUE heavyweights dumbass, he only managed to KO 11 of them, He amassed his KO collection against BUMS and modern day cruiserweights, Wlad has knocked out only TRUE heavyweights, Shavers was a SHIT fighter, only a journeyman with a punch, he doesn't have the skills to even bother a Klitschko, the 70's were better in term of quantity of good fighters facing each other, but the Kbros would beat most of those fighters, now keep BAAAing sheep
crashburnerz 2 weeks ago
In short, the HW's from the 70's simply dont have the size to compete with top athletes as HUGE and SKILLED as the Klitschkos. Only someone as skilled and gifted as Ali would have a chance, but ffs, SHAVERS? average to mediocre fighters like Shavers would be MASSACRED by the Kbros. Just look at the kind of domination Foreman exerted in the 70's due to his size and power alone. The Klitschkos are bigger, faster and more skilled than 70's Foreman could ever hope to be.
crashburnerz 2 weeks ago
@crashburnerz
You must jack off to your own self delusional bullshit. You are sooooooo happy that a white face is on heavy weight boxing aren't you. Just like the system wanted and you are so fucking clueless. Tyson would have destroyed them K bros as you call them. DESTROYED THEM. I saw Tyson fight big ass motherfuckers like the Kbros and he ate them for lunch.
Hey, you want to see blacks go full throttle into hockey? You'd piss your fucking pants.
flirtwd 1 week ago
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AutisticMonk 1 week ago
@flirtwd
Oh look, another moronic black guy with inferiority complex, have you people noticed how the only fools that keep mentioning skin color in sports are precissely blacks? I dont care about a fighter's skin color, i only care about what they do in the ring.
Tyson NEVER fought somebody with size AND skills on similar level as the Klitschkos. Oh wait, on a second thought, he did, he fought Lennox Lewis and guess what, he got his ass kicked
crashburnerz 1 week ago 12
@crashburnerz ok, lets make something cleat...he fought lewis at the time he took enough drugs to kill a fucking buffon herd dumbass.are u even trying to compare the skill, speed, tallent of one mike tyson(the top 3 boxers that ever lived) with a humongous fucking talentless creatures like klitschko brothers?are u fucking kidding me moron?the klitschko borthers are the worst, most boring fucking boxers i have ever seen.no speed, no mobility no nothing, only height and arm length, no talent.fucku
0091vincentny 1 week ago
@crashburnerz he got to fight Hollyfield and guess what he got his ass kicked again ;)
melisikpeter 1 week ago
@crashburnerz and why did tyson loose against lewis? without don king and the new coach who just made him move moore slowly everything would be different. he was just not the same person like he was in his prime. lennox vs. tyson in his prime would be a completely different fight!
TheKuruptyounggotti 4 days ago
@TheKuruptyounggotti
Tyson was over the hill when he fought Lewis, in his prime he'd have done better but still would have lost. Tyson always had a rough time with guys who were not scared to fight, who were big, who had speed and a long powerful jab. Lewis is all that and a bag of chips. Tyson lacked a lot in height/reach for HW's standards, sure he could compensate it with speed and skills against lesser opponents, but not ppl like Lewis and the Kbros who are huge, skilled AND athletic
crashburnerz 3 days ago
@crashburnerz sure. how ever it would have been an intersting fight young mike vs. lewis or young mike vs. klitschko brothers :)
TheKuruptyounggotti 2 days ago
He won with Larry Holmes
faqireq 2 days ago
@faqireq
Tyson fought a 38yo washed up Larry Holmes that was coming of a 2 year lay-off and had lost his 2 previous matches, Holmes was truly at the worst moment of his career and was a shadow of himself, and it was really stupid from him to fight Tyson without at least a tune-up fight. Still a good victory but shouldn't be regarded too highly because of the circumstances.
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salhibelhage89 2 weeks ago in playlist majik
Well Ali was faster in the 60´s but he still got hit a lot, a cw Henry Cooper almost stopped Ali, and his best oppenent was Liston wich many thought was old and past it when they fought.
knockup100 2 weeks ago
chisora will be all over vitali like a rash hes twice as fast as williams
feckatroll 3 weeks ago
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SimonCoweI 3 weeks ago
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@WILDCENTURION No, Lewis got fucked up, won by lucky cut then retired like a faggot. Get your facts straight dickhead.
SimonCoweI 1 month ago
Hehe, what a wonderful beating.
SimonCoweI 1 month ago
that's good lewis fucked his azz up haha!!
WILDCENTURION 1 month ago
@WILDCENTURION No, Lewis got fucked up, won by lucky cut then retired like a faggot. Get your facts straight dickhead.
SimonCoweI 1 month ago
@SimonCoweI Lewis was at his heaviest and took the fight at two weeks notice. Lennox was at the end of his career he was gassing from pretty much the start, despite this Lennox still managed to cause a reasonable amount of damage. I have watched that fight a few times and Lewis was getting the better of Vitali at the end even though he started slowly when it finished Vitali's face was hanging off. So TKO 6 and know what your talking about before you insult others dick head.
evoste 1 month ago
@evoste Lewis had been training for Kirk Johnson, Kirk pulled out and Vitali stepped in with three weeks notice, therefore Lewis should have been the better prepared of the two. Lewis was absolutely fucked at the end of the fight and I'm pretty sure one more round would have been enough to knock him out. Vitali looked the fresher despite the cut, and was ahead on all cards. Don't give me that 'Lewis wasn't ready' bullshit, he had plenty of time to get ready, longer than Vitali. You are a tool.
SimonCoweI 4 weeks ago
@SimonCoweI Lewis was a lazy fuck he was unprepared for the fight if he was prime he would have beaten klitchko without having to stand and trade, easy UD or late KO. Vitali hasn't the skill to deal with a fit Lewis. My point being Lewis had no interest in the fight and as such did not prepare but still busted Vitali good. Why do people like you bitch about a decision that goes against your fighter and still go on 10 years later?
evoste 4 weeks ago
@SimonCoweI Let me spell it out as you have a problem comprehending what I have stated. Lewis was at the end of his career he had fought everyone from his era and beat them. Vitali was early and not well known. Lewis got the result from the fight through smashing Vitalii's face in. Your man got beat from cut's it happens in fight and cock suckers like you bitch without acknowledging that Lewis battered him. Vitali was holding for dear life at the end and then crying like a bitch..
evoste 3 weeks ago
@evoste Did you SERIOUSLY believe Lewis retired for any other reason other than fear? If so, you are a gullible idiot and will believe anything. He rematched the two bums who KOd him, so why not Vitali? The fight left unanswered questions, and Lewis' legacy will suffer because of it, and rightly so.
SimonCoweI 4 weeks ago
@SimonCoweI Lewis took the fight at short notice which is fact, and he didn't rate Vitali before the fight which was Lewis's mistake he had achieved what he wanted in the sport and didn't have the hunger after beating Tyson. It was high risk for low reward. He game in at 254 and was knackered from the start but the fact remains Lewis was causing a lot of physical damage as the rounds grew BOTH men were gassing and holding towards the later rounds BOTH fighters were vulnerable.
evoste 4 weeks ago
@SimonCoweI No Lewis had made his money in the sport and beaten the guys out of his era, a rematch here would have been high risk with little reward Vitali was still fairly unknown at this point. As far as legacy goes your a clown as Lewis's Legacy has gone up since the K brothers. So again you piss in the wind with statements that are not based in reality. Your guy got beat, why would Lennox rematch? so he could get beat at the end of his career? stop smoking crack Simple Simon.
evoste 3 weeks ago
@SimonCoweI Lewis was loaded he fought everyone he wanted and beat them. Lewis had a little cut on the bridge of his nose and very slight swelling on the face around the eyes. Vitali on the other hand looked like he had been raped anally assaulted with a crowbar and a claw hammer to the face! your biased and blind to the fact if the fight had gone muchr longer Vitali would have sustained serious damage to the face. your guy lost deal with it and move on son.
evoste 4 weeks ago
@evoste Yeah he fought everyone as soon as they were washed up, and all the 'legends' he beat went on to lose to complete bums, proving how finished they all were. Vitali's face may have been in a worse state, I know that already, what I am saying is Lewis was losing the fight and the cut was very fortunate. I know Lewis got the win, but everyone knows who the better man was. Lewis refused to rematch Vitali, why is that? Any idiot can see he was scared, why can't you?
SimonCoweI 3 weeks ago
@SimonCoweI by your own admission Vitali's face was worse than Lewis, so why do you still bitch like a little girl? because guess what fights get stopped through cut's, that has and always be in the sport, so DEAL with it. If the fight had continued then Lewis would have punched Vitali's WHOLE face off and it would have looked like Lennox fighting Skeletor!! By the way dick head fights are 12 rounds and Lennox was scoring heavily before the end, Vitali was FUBAR deal with it bitch.
evoste 3 weeks ago
@evoste I'm 'bitching' because Lewis was losing the fight. This creates unfinished business, as Vitali wanted to carry on. Lewis was not scoring heavily, he may have just about taken the 6th round, there were six more to go and Lewis was miles behind. How can you predict what would have happened if the fight carried on? To me it looked like Lewis was about to collapse, so how you can confidently predict he would have suddenly definitely ripped Vitalis whole face off just proves your ignorance.
SimonCoweI 3 weeks ago
@evoste The right thing to do would be honour the rematch he promise Vitali. Why didn't he? I thought he loved rematches. Fact is Lewis bitched out and retired rather than face Vitali again. FACT. DEAL WITH IT! lol you sound so angry! truth hurting? Hehehehe....
SimonCoweI 3 weeks ago
@SimonCoweI I'm cool, my dude won the fight!. He could have had a rematch but as I keep on saying he couldn't be arsed for a small pay day at the end of his career. Vitali was in trouble you concede that Lewis was on top at the end of the fight. So just let it go.... Your guy got beat and the record books will show this in decades to come. If it would have continued your guy would have looked like the Elephant Man. You still cannot explain the fact your guy was badly injured.
evoste 3 weeks ago
@evoste Hahaha you don't know shit! Lennox was offered 20+ million for a rematch but simply wasn't up for it. I let the loss go ages ago, why don't you follow suit and let the fact that Lewis pussied out of a rematch go? Hehehehe...such an idiot.
SimonCoweI 3 weeks ago
@SimonCoweI I said he couldn't be arsed several times. Your sore because I have rationally explained the situation in several post's and all you can respond is saying Lewis is a pussy. I think it would be nice if you now stfu,
evoste 3 weeks ago
@evoste I didn't only say Lewis was a pussy though did I? That's a lie. What I said was I know he won the fight legally but any fucking twat can see there is unfinished business. Any twat can also see that Lewis retired due to fear of facing Vitali again. These are valid points and obvious to anyone with a fucking working brain.
SimonCoweI 3 weeks ago
@SimonCoweI come on take your tablets and calm yourself, it is finished business Lewis won TKO 6 round. deal with it. Go and have a little cry in the corner and when you feel the pain of your guy getting KTFO you can then move on with your life. Do you think Vitali is still bitching like a girl?. You're not a boxing fan your K Brothers fan which is fine, but don't pretend you know about boxing because your lack of knowledge will be exposed. Take your tablets and chill. Lewis>Vitali
evoste 3 weeks ago
@evoste Lewis may have the win on his record but Vitali gets all the credit for that fight. Lewis will be the one called a coward and a bitch for the rest of his life! If all that matters to you is the W on the record then you are as gutless as Lewis himself! I bet you're the sort of guy who would hit someone from behind and claim you beat them up. Everyone on here is taking the piss out of you lol
SimonCoweI 3 weeks ago
@SimonCoweI
MrVMAN999 3 weeks ago
that was fucking brutal. hard to watch. well... almost ;)
MonaLisaNaked 1 month ago
@vpsmu & @crashburnerz sorry my previous entry was aimed at @evoste.
MrVMAN999 1 month ago
@vpsmu & @crashburnerz I am a huge fan of Ali, but i would not make him a favourite against either of the Kbros. to insinuate that the Kbros, mainly Vitali are not hard is a huge mistake. Vitali has never been knocked off is feet and has faced some huge punchers whereas Ali was put down by 180 lb Henry Cooper. also the Kbros have great skill and know how to use they size effectively. i honestly dont think ali could match an opponent much bigger them him with a considerable degree of skill.
MrVMAN999 1 month ago
@MrVMAN999
I think a prime Ali could defeat Vitali by UD (no way by KO, though), given his catlike reflexes, superb footwork, chin and the fact he was pretty tall for his era, im talking about Ali from the 60's. Ali from the 70's aint fast enough, still very fast hands but not the legs, Vitali's size and reach would be too much to overcome, he could simply outscore him with jabs from outside. This is a fight where Wlad would do better than his brother
crashburnerz 1 month ago
@crashburnerz the 60s Ali was great fighter no doubt, but i wouldstill put Vitali as a favourite. if you look at the Klitschko v Herby Hide fight. Vitaly beat a guy who brought similar skills to Ali ie fast hands, feet and good movement (and possibly a better punch). im not saying that Hide was necessarly as good as Ali, but the fact is that Vitali has fought people who had similarities to Ali where as Ali never realy faught anyone too similar to Vitali. also a peak Vitali was also pretty fast
MrVMAN999 1 month ago
@MrVMAN999 Herby Hide and Ali are similar? GTFOH!
evoste 1 month ago
@MrVMAN999
And yeah, Vitali has a cast iron chin, Ali wont KO him, his power was decent but nothing to write home about, 39 rounds and he couldn't hurt Norton, or KO the smaller Cooper. Vitali took the uppercuts of Lennox Lewis (the best HW ever according to Ali himself btw) and punches from people like Sanders (Hasim Rahman said Corrie Sanders hits harder than anyone else he's fought, and Rahman has faced heavy hitters, Lennox Lewis, David Tua, Holyfield, etc) and Vitali didn't went down.
crashburnerz 1 month ago
@MrVMAN999 The problem is that neither brother has a rounded skill set, pushing your opponent down and jabbing is not good skill's. Ali would school both of them as they have never faced someone as rounded as Ali and before the clowns shout David Haye GTFOH!. Haye is not fit to carry Ali's spitoon. I think the Klit's would be too much for nearly all the old timers but not skilled enough to beat all. I think their legacy will increase when they retire, this was not a strong era IMHO.
evoste 1 month ago
@evoste re your comment concerning pushing your opponent down and jabbing, ali did this as much has the klitschko's, just watch the foreman fight.
MrVMAN999 3 weeks ago
@MrVMAN999 but Ali didn't just jab and push down on Foreman as Foreman was bigger and stronger than him. My problem with the K brothers is that they have had very little competition. I'm sorry but I don't agree that the bums now are anyway near the skill level or desire and hunger that the old timers have. I have followed boxing all my life and still think it can produce the excitement, but the depth of talent is far less nowadays and that is just a fact.
evoste 3 weeks ago
@evoste If the depth of talent is less, it is not he brother's fault. but anyway its not a fact it your belief that there is less depth in tallent today. to be proved fact something needs to go through some scientific scrutiny.
i am also a hughe boxing fan, and was once like you in that i believed the 70s era fghters were better then the kbros. but after cacrefully looking at their styles, opponents records, skills and compared them to the kbros, my oppinion changed. CONTINUED ABOVE.
MrVMAN999 3 weeks ago
@MrVMAN999 Er no, I agree Vitali would have a good chance against most of the old timers but not top 5 all time. It is a fact that a lot of talent has been lost to other sports especially African American fighters, I would also say a lot of the best trainers who fully understood the sport are dead or very old.and although fighters were smaller they fought far more often and the therefore more punch resistant than modern fighters. I conclude more fights = more experience and harder.
evoste 3 weeks ago
@MrVMAN999 I would also finish you off by saying that dudes used to fight 15 rounds HW today are way out of shape even the Clits would struggle to go 12 rounds never mind 15, both you and SCowel do not know shit other than a bit of surface shite, none of the heavyweights at the moment are skilled and they all lack stamina just because they are bigger, your having a laugh both you and Cowel need to go and suck each other off while whispering BS about boxing to each other. pwnd pssy.
evoste 3 weeks ago
@evoste look man ive tried haveing a conversation with you like an adult, but your just a childish little prick who's not worth my time. so FUCK OFF.
MrVMAN999 3 weeks ago
@MrVMAN999 You have been owned you little bitch, you and Cowel can go suck each other off. When confronted with facts you just bitch rather than rationally and objectively argue your points. I suspect you and Cowel are the same little runt. You lost the argument when you said Herby Hide has similar skills to Ali! GTFOH you've followed boxing your whole life and you come out with that shit? stick with transformers and take your cock out of Cowel's mouth. Evoste>MrVann999+Cowel. pwnd!!
evoste 3 weeks ago
@evoste look dickhead i too can give you a whole load of facts regarding why i think the kbros could beat ali and co, but when childish prick like you start telling me to suck someone off you show your self to be a complete wanker that not worth my time.
if you want to have a proper discussion without the playground talk then im happy to oblidge you and argue my points rationally and objectively. if not go and FUCK OFF.
MrVMAN999 3 weeks ago
@MrVMAN999 both you and the other little clown have not argued your points at all. I have said time and time again my points and both of you don't answer them, you have not responded to any of my points. The guys in the 70's are better for ALL the points I have raised and you have not responded to 1. David Haye = Mohammed Ali that's some funny shit right there put your crack pipe down and stop taking shit. PWND
evoste 3 weeks ago
@evoste Ive just read through all the post u have sent to me and there is not one salient point showing any evidence to support your claim. you are stating oppoinion and claiming its fact. all those fighters from that era, they were all very beat-able and i feel the kbros would ahve been too much for any of them. look at ali's fights against Cooper, Mildenberger, bonavena and several others all men who were 6'1 or under with relatively small reaches. all these guys- CONTINUED ABOVE
MrVMAN999 3 weeks ago
@evoste CONTINUED FROM BELOW- all these guys managed to catch ali with clean punches on a regular basis cooper even dropped ali in their 1st fight. if these guys could catch ali, the kbros with much longer reaches definately could. also lets not forget that ali fighting in an era where man heavys would have been cruser weights today did not have a great ko ratio. he was not a hard puncher, and i dont think he could have kod the kbros espicially vitali. CONT ABOVE.
MrVMAN999 3 weeks ago
@evoste CONT FRM BELOW- your argument that guys were tougher back then cos they faught more often and went 15 rounds is silly. in that case guys 100 years ago like jack johnson, who drank smoke and did all sort of shit was tougher still cos he faught even more then 70s lot and faught up to 30 rounds. any modern fighter could train to go 15 rounds if they had to and fight 10 fights a year. they dont cost they realise there is no need to. also i dont know how you can say all the CONT ABOVE
MrVMAN999 3 weeks ago
@evoste CONT FRM BELOW-best trainers are dead, guys like freddy roach and manny stewart are arguably as good as dundee, futch and d'mato. and finally i dont understand what your point about afro american going into other sports has to do with this cos that is another discussion all together. i suggest you watch your fights more objectively objectively from now on cos you definatey seem to be influenced by your own bias. also listen to the commentary on the 1st klitschko-sam peter fight- CONT ABV
MrVMAN999 3 weeks ago
@evoste CONT FRM BELOW- and see what foreman says about ali and holding. also watch the 2nd fight against cooper where ali holds considerably. i dont think you can accuse the kbros of holding when ali did it as much. and by the way if you bothered to read what i wrote correctly, i said herby hidy was probably not as good as ali, i just said he brought similar skills in speed and movement, as did haye and castillio. who did ali fight that you could say was similar to the kbros.
MrVMAN999 3 weeks ago
@MrVMAN999 Ha ha ha, Owning you and Cowel has been enjoyable, in future don't open your mouth unless you know what your talking about otherwise like the other clueless cock you end up getting owned by someone who does. Some things in life are debatable comparing David Haye and Herbie Hyde to Mr M Ali is just fantastic on another level. I will use you cocksuckers as an anecdote to my mates who are boxing fans and we will laugh at this shit trust me. PWND
evoste 3 weeks ago
@evoste CONTINUED FROM BELOW- i am a big fan of the 70s heavys, but just feel they wern't as good as people think they were. i feel Ali and maybe foreman would have been competetive against todays fighters (although i would put them as underdog against the kbros or lennox lewis), but honestly feel all the others-frazier, lyle, norton,quarry ect would not be. i know lots, perhaps most may disagree with me, but it is what i believe and i can give my reasons if you really want me to.
MrVMAN999 3 weeks ago
@MrVMAN999 I agree, those guys were good for their time but mainly due to the character of Ali making the era exciting. There was nothing too exceptional skillwise going on, and they were all extremely beatable. People confuse excitement with skill.
SimonCoweI 3 weeks ago
@SimonCoweI thats right, its nice to see another person who has enough wisdom to see what is obvious. evoste is just a stupid twat who is most probably basing his assumptions on reputation rather then on evidence. i don't want to waste my time takling to childish wankers like that any more.
MrVMAN999 3 weeks ago
@evoste Also, Ali never fought anyone as skilled/big/strong as the K bros, yet he still struggled against bums and lost several fights. How do you come to the conclusion that Ali would school them? You make no sense man, NONE. You are either blinded by hatred or just plain fucking DUMB.
SimonCoweI 3 weeks ago
@SimonCoweI
Vitali already beat a modern version of Muhammad Ali in Herbie Hide. Check out his fights in YT, he's like a freakin clone of 70's Ali, the style, the footwork, the jab, the outboxing ability, it's all there (except the chin). He was nicknamed ¨the dancing destroyer¨ for a reason. Vitali knocked him out in the 2nd round.
crashburnerz 2 weeks ago
@crashburnerz I know, Ali was ridiculously overrated. He'd have been knocked from pillar to post by today's heavyweights.
SimonCoweI 2 weeks ago
@SimonCoweI Ali was good and would have been good enough to beat many of the modern heavyweights, but not the klitschkos. too skillful too strong.
MrVMAN999 2 weeks ago
@MrVMAN999
I give a chance to Ali from the 60's to defeat Vitali by points, because along with being extremely skilled the guy was exceptionally fast with catlike reflexes. Ali from the 70's would get mauled by Vitali and even worse by Wlad. And yeah, all the old timers are massively overrated in boxing. It is the only sport where fans are stupid enough to think the top athletes from 30 or 40 years ago would crush the TOP athletes of today. In NBA or NFL, people would laugh at you for that.
crashburnerz 2 weeks ago
@crashburnerz i mainly agree with you. 60s ali would have achance, but vitali and wlad would be favourites inmy eyes. as others have said, ali could be could be caught wven by relatively average fighters, just look at the fights against mildenburger, cooper, bonavena, doug jones to name a few.
MrVMAN999 2 weeks ago
@MrVMAN999
Yeah, Ali looked amazing at times, and pretty ordinary in others, but Ali in his bestest night could defeat anyone imo. Realistically, I dont see any HW champion in history beating current Wlad, besides probably a prime Lennox Lewis
crashburnerz 2 weeks ago
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jonesjohnniejr 2 weeks ago
@crashburnerz you could be right, its tough to call, but certainly both k brothers would have what it takes beat him thats for sure.
MrVMAN999 2 weeks ago
@MrVMAN999 hei stop talking bullshit about The Greatest in the history of boxing. Don't you ever compare the Klitschko brothers with Muhammad Ali, especially Wladimir who has a glass chin. Have a look at Ali's opponents...Liston, Foreman, Frazier, Norton, Shavers and many others, they were all super boxers, at least one class over Klitschko.I don't even want to think about what Foreman would've have done to Klitschko if they had fought.Ali was too fast and too tough for them.
UltraBadg3r 2 weeks ago
@UltraBadg3r
You're just a brainless sheep, like all nostalgia dickriders, you're just following the herd without even using common sense. I bet you havent even noticed that the VAST majority of Heavyweights from the 60's and 70's would be small cruiserweights today, even Foreman who was considered a monster for his time would be a small today. Only few HW's could hit the 215 lbs in the 70's and most of them were bums, the Klistchkos hit the 245 lbs
crashburnerz 2 weeks ago
@UltraBadg3r yeah and why dont you watch the fight between ali and cooper where a 180lb cooper put ali on is arse and hurt him so b ad that angelo dundee had to use smelling salts to help bring him aroound, an act that was illeagle, meaning that ali should have been disqualified. also look at ali's performances against guys like mildenburger, doug jones, bonavena and blin. all pretty ordinary fighters, much smaller them him with less reach. they all gave ali problems. CONTINUED ABOVE
MrVMAN999 2 weeks ago
@MrVMAN999 Cooper was a boxer too (a good one, see his record) what would you want Ali do? Spit on him and KO him, c''mon..The fact that Ali beat him in the second round proves his greatness, so you gave me a bad example.Also the fight with Bonavena was won by Ali and I liked how he boxed in that fight. If you wanna see a real WUSS look at Wladimir's fight with Ross Puritty, the wuss was going down and up like a drunk bastard, also Corrie Sanders toyed with him, Brewster murdered him.
UltraBadg3r 2 weeks ago
@UltraBadg3r
Do you realize that those losses of Wladimir happened like a decade ago? why you clowns keep bringing them as if they mattered today? Wlad is leagues above the fighter he was back then, and looks invincible right now. Current Wlad would be a terror for everyone in history.
crashburnerz 2 weeks ago
@crashburnerz No, current Wlad is a terror for today's wussies like Haye.And even so, Wlad barely landed a few shots on Haye. Boxers like Tyson, Frazier, Holyfield would rape Wladimir.
UltraBadg3r 2 weeks ago
@UltraBadg3r CONTINUED FRM BELOW- ali was the greatist in terms of personality and generating interest ect, but not the greatist for fighting abality. as for foreman, he may have a chance against wlad, but no chance against a peak vitali, look again at the fight against ali, to see how basic his skills were. he telegraphed punches too much and after 4 rounds just stood square on to ali and poured at him rather then punched. foreman relied on his strength and power too much CONTINUED.
MrVMAN999 2 weeks ago
@UltraBadg3r CONT FRM BELOW- and against the klitschkos he would have met his match also the kbros would not have just stood and traded with him like frazier and norton tried to do. they would move and jab. i admit, IF he caught wlad with a good punch he could probably ko him, but as far as i am concerned that would be a BIG IF.
MrVMAN999 2 weeks ago
@MrVMAN999 It is valid because you can only be measured by who you fought and yes the Klit's have dominated their era, but who have they beat Herby Hyde, David Haye?, the reason the 70's were better is the were several good fighters who all fought each other, I do think there were a lot of bums back then but there were say 4-5 fighters who would easily get a belt today, bigger does not equate to better or more skilled.
evoste 1 month ago