Pan Oginski was a European just like Beethoven. The old Commonwealth was a medieval constitutional monarchy with an elected king and a parliament of landowners and it was very cosmopolitan. Its official legal and constitutional language was New Latin (Latina Nova). In medieval times Latin was the lingua franca of Europe and was understood by educated people from Lisbon to Moscow. Ethnic nationalism did not arrive in central Europe until long after he died. Just enjoy the music!
@MrDanielius ...but Wilno was more Polish than Lithuanian in those days, plus he was born near Warsaw from polish mother and lithuanian father with polish last name, and considered himself as Polish...
Definetly he has less Polish in him than anything else!
But it is hard to belive but definetly they didn;t have identity like belarussian, lithuanian or polish back than it was GDL and Rech Pospolita! so I think it is hard and no use to argue!
Michal Kazimierz Oginski: Polish composer, Lithuanian Treasurer, Russian Senator. Born to Lithuanian father (albeit of Polish last name) and Polish mother, he worked for Polish government, was a Polish diplomat in Netherlands and France, fought under Kosciusko during Polish uprising, supported Polish independence, and wrote the ultimate Polish music - the Polonaise. Learn your history, folks...
Maybe he was polish, I don't know his family.. they was polish or lithuanian, but this music was written to Lithuanian capital - Vilnius, because he liked this city. And it is true :D And to me it have no meaning he was polish or lithuanian. It was dedicated to Lithuanian capital - Vilnius :)
Guys, I don't care who is Oginsky in nationality. I really like and enjoy his music. And please, stop this useless discussion. Music has no borders, neither Polish, nor Lithuanian.
@Appsus I guess that Lithuanians will not agree with you, my Polish friend.
You have Chopin, Veniavski, and many many more, while they have really Curlionis as composer/painter and would be likely to them to add more pride to their nationality.
And I really like Oginski's Polonaise from my childhood and never consider his or others nationality as sourse for talent. Enjoy his and Curlionis music.
"1931: 196,345 inhabitants.[34] A census of 9 December 1931 reveals that Poles made up 65.9% of the total Vilnius population (128.600 inhabitants), Jews 28% (54.600 inhabitants), Russians 3,8% (7.400 inhabitants), Belarusians 0.9% (1.700 inhabitants), Lithuanians 0.8% (1.579 inhabitants), Germans 0.3% (600 inhabitants), Ukrainians 0.1% (200 inhabitants), others 0.2% (approx. 400 inhabitants)"
If you only wanted Vilnius why Polish army in 1920 attacked Lithuania army in Vievis? Far from Vilnius. Why Poland broke The Suwałki Agreement? Haha... You know what he said and thought? :D From Little country...:) So? What the difference of "big" and "small" country? You spoken about independent sourses :) 60 % of Polish people in Vilnius. This is from Poland sources? Because from Lithuania sources I finding 35 % of people who spoked Polish, but it not mean what whey are Polish people :)
@nightmusicvideos Language does not correlate with nationality. nationality is a person deepest unifying force. Nationality is that which a person works for for the common good of that nationality. Nationality is what allows people to globalize and then to unify personhood in general- JP2
And yes, 60% is true number, for this reason we wanted to join Vilnius to Poland after I World War, not because we didn't like Lithuanians people etc.
Dude... I dont care what he thought or what he said. I speak about facts. Independent source? So give my example of really independent source :) I will read him with pleasure. He never said that he's Lithuanian? So give my source where he's say what he is Polish :) I can be wrong but for my only real thing is true facts but not storys. 60%? You speaking about really independent sourse's, but this number is just from Poland sourses... Really true number? I dont think so, sorry:)
@nightmusicvideos "Dude... I dont care what he thought or what he said. I speak about facts."
LOL :) this what he said aren't facts? i'm sure if he could know, that someone from little foreign country try to said that he's not Polish, he would move to Warsaw :) Ok anyway, " Farewell to Homeland" is POLONAISE, not LITHUANAISE sweetheart :)
You want to say what he was fighting only for Polish independence but in time when a new war threatened (Russia and France 1812m.) Oginski was policy who suggest to Russia tsar Alexander I to re-create LDK with autonomy from Russia. Maybe he believed what France will win war with Russia and ATR will be re-created, but anyway this thing demonstrate what Oginski was Lithuania patriot to.
@nightmusicvideos i've said before, please read Oginski's biography, from independent source. He never said that he's Lithuanian. Before II World War in Wilno (Vilnius) lived 60% of Polish citizens, and only 2% Lithuanians
I dont say what Oginski is only Lithuanian. I say what he is hero of Lithuanias and Polish culture and policy. This is same with Adomas Mickevičius. Polish says what he is Polish poet. But he born in LDK and wrote about Lithuania. He wisited Poland only one time. Anyway they both is heros of Lithuania and Poland.
@nightmusicvideos "I dont say what Oginski is only Lithuanian". No my friend, he isn't even 1% lithuanian. You can read his biography, letters etc. He just born in Lithuania (today), this is nothing. Even he was fighting for Polish independence, not Lithuanian. Sorry, but no way ;-) You just can't usurp Polish famous people, because they born in current land of Lithuania. Long time ago in your land lived much more Polish people than Lithuanian.
@WilkVreid "No my friend, he isn't even 1% lithuanian."
My friend, his father's nationality was Lithuanian, his mother's - Polish. Even under the most feministic attitude I do not think this would count as <1%...
Anyway, good luck, I am moving on to some Chopin clip.)
@nightmusicvideos It's simple, the nobility of Poland/Lithuania at that time only spoke Polish, only the peasantry spoke Lithuanian. So if Oginski was a peasant, which he was not, then he could be classified as Lithuanian. However, because he belonged to the gentry and could not speak Lithuanian he was a Pole. The same principle applied to Ruthenia. As the Duke of Wellington said, "just because someone is born in a stable, doesn't make him a horse".
@hague1cameron So, you wont to say what all Lithuania nobility in that time's when they spoke Polish was Poles? Interesting opinion... So, other example. In XVIII or XIX age Russian nobility spoke French. So what means they was French?
@nightmusicvideos Not quite. What I am saying is that Polish was their mother tongue, because they could not speak Lithuanian. I am sure that they could speak some additional languages to Polish but Lithuanian was not one of them. You are right about the Russian nobility they could and did speak French; however they could also speak Russian.
@nightmusicvideos Medieval nobility didn't have nationality, other than that of being european nobility. nations are inventions of latter, bourgeois times. In russia, it wouldn't happen until 20th century, though, or may be even now. But russian nobility was wiped out in revolution.
@Yasin72076 If anybody here is an idiot, it is you. Get a life hater! Why did you even click on this video. Get a shrink instead of using youtube as a therapy for your mental situation. If you don't know how to appreciate beautiful music , too bad for you.
the tribe called poles is a shame of whole humanity...Lithuanians tried for nearly 500 years to educate them and civilised but with no success...btw Herodotus mentioned that poles are canibals and maneaters (the tribe androphagus lived close to kracow desert).
@discouniverse your an idiot. You are a shame to the Lithuanian people. Poland and Lithuania used to be great together (notice the word TOGETHER). You do not understand the principles behind this union... Just stop talking you are shaming Lithuanians. No one wants to hear your rambling and bullshit. You are historically incorrect, your English is poor and you are a bigot. Please educate yourself and respect your own culture. stop making shit up. Thank You!
@PiorunofLV ??? yes I do not know when you last time had anal sex with 5 black men, but I and do not care, it's your private life, so no one should judge you for your sins
@discouniverse Yes of course you make Lithuanians very proud with your bigoted remarks. nice job making a fool out of yourself. Now Lithuanians and Poles will despise you equally!
Well...the level of our historical debate is so high...world is more complicated than some of you think....Specially in history of Eastern Europe...it was comonwealth of two nations, but remember that polish culture was (and is still) the most deweloped in the region, that's why many of citizens identified them as Polish, not Lithuanian or Ukrainian (in this time -XIX century- was in fact nothink like ukrainian or lithuanian nations, they just started to grow)
@misiekcwel ??? polish culture??? are you talking about curwas???? polish sluts who spread polish 'developed' culture?? :)))) you were slaves for romans and even were forced to talk in latin and only after Lithuanian Jogaila conquered poland he forced you to speak slavic idiotic language...even 200 of Lithuanian rule over poland couldn't civilised poles who were cannibals in Herodotus times and ate each other even in 11th century during times of famines...you even today have no culture, u idiot
@discouniverse Continue to make shit up... You obviously are an uneducated Peasant...
Latin was required in the court even when Jogaila was in power. This was the requirement of the Vatican idiot. You are so stupid. Go back and educate yourself you peasant!
@PiorunofLV you polish shit just tell me who fucked your henish brains????? you are so stupid that even every your 'true knowleadge' is a nonsence and you even do not suspect this
@PiorunofLV you polish shit should know that in cispooland whole state language was Latin even in churches and your idiot dlugosh wrote in Latin because at that time you were peasant and had no literacy....that is why and Lithuania used slavic-bulgarian language as a state language...later Kiev and Belarus due to this language were forced to forget Lithuanian language and developed their own slavic language based on slavic-bulgarian language...educate yourself you polish idiot
@misiekcwel identify themselves as poles??? during occupation of Vilnius and later during soviet occupation these people WERE FORCE TO GO TO POLISH SCHOOLS U STINKING STUPID POLE...THEIR PARENTS WERE KILLED JUST BY USING LITHUANIAN LANGUAGE AT HOME YOU POLISH STINKING SHIT...IS THIS POLISH CULTURE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT??? YOU POLES ARE ANIMALS
@discouniverse Killed by using the Lithuanian language? Where is your history child. The soviets caused this oppression NOT the Poles. Plus Wilno is a Polish city!! always was ethnically Polish! Go back to your pagan ways. You should be glad that the union with Poland made both our countries great!
@PiorunofLV swallow your own urine you polish moron...I see you already swallowed your own semen...Vilnius always was Lithuania's capital and the first poles who visited Vilnius were 45 000 captured polish slaves in 14th century who were released and sent back to cispooland after Lithuania's king Jogaila ceased polish thrown in 1385...Vilnius was occupied by filthy tribe poles just for 17 years with a help of whole western world and massacred 4000 Lithuanian babies and children in Vilnius
@discouniverse Can you write? What do you mean by that: "after Lithuania's king Jogaila ceased polish thrown in 1385..." Do you really know what the word "cease" means? What is "thrown"? Do you mean "throne"? Write less but carefully.
By the way, it is possible that the successors of these "Polish slaves" are still there around Vilna and maybe you are one of them although you are not aware...
Check it first...
See you next year in December. Cheer up, don't worry. :))
@discouniverse Yes of Course. That's why they were part of the Holy League and defended Vienna in a Crusade against the Ottomans. May I add this was an army of Poles AND lithuanians.
You are disrespecting your people discouniverse, don't talk anymore. Will any other Lithuanian please tell your fellow man to respect his past.
@SerskiGuslar Ciurlionis is very beautiful Lithuanian family name...you should be proud of bearing this name not because of your famous relative, but because in Lithuanian language it means clear and divine sound of flowing stream...My family is from the same village as your famous relative
@MrMekigis you are german idiot?????? so what are you doing in Vilnius then? :))) the problem with poles are that they have nothing to be proud of, that is why they are steeling heritage of neighbouring nations,Copernicus had 0% polish blood and Skladowska was half Ukrainian, pope was Lithuanian by family name and his mother was born in Kaunas (Lithuania), however he thougth that he is of joint nationality while Copernicus knew that he is Prussian and even couldn't speak polish.he wrote in Latin
@Yasin72076 You don't have to explain it for normal people. Lithuania is a very small and very complexed nation, and usually try to appropriated 3/4 of Polish national artist / heroes. For lithuanian is no matter, that they spoke and wrote in polish, and they were polish patriots. People from Lithuania always knows better. But this is not problem for Poland, we are very placable ;-)
If people speaking and thinking in one language and consider themselves as belonging to particular nation, nobody could claim they are others. Clear examples were Tadeus Kostyushko or Gen Lafayette. Americans consider them as their heroes, but they're Polish and French. So, what are they? Americans????
@MrMekigis you, idiot, really are an idiot and yout father was obi-wan kenobi and mother was chinggis khan, so they simple cannot be Lithuanians...u stupid, even do not suspect that Vytautas Gerulaitis, Vytautas Didysis (100% Lith), Jogaila (half Lithuanian-Samogitian half Lithuanian-Galindian from Tver), Harrison Ford, Kirk Douglas (both 50% jew from Mogilev, 50% Lith), pope Karolis Voityla-Vaidila are genuine Lithuanians some of jewish origin some pure Lithuanians some polonised Lithuanians
Yes yes you can believe what ever you want, but truth still will not change. Routs of all Oginski family is from Lithuanian Grand Duchy so not polish. Oginski were most likely of Rurikid stock.
and still "The "Rurikid Dynasty DNA Project" of FamilyTreeDNA commercial genetic genealogy company reports that Y-DNA testing of the descendants of Rurikids suggests their non-slavic origin."
@Pietruch ????? u should know it better...like and Copernicus was 3/4 Prussian and only 1/4 german and lived in poland...the thing is that he wrote Farewell when he was forced to flee from Lithuania to poland...moreover he was the one who wanted to restore Lithuania and not poland...u decide for yourself
if you will start think that you are estonian you will be estonian then, because nationality is actually only personal selection. Currently it works so anyway.
Oginski belongs to those who identified itselc as litvin (not lithuanian). Why was it better to be litvin but not a polish ?
Simple answer connection to Royal families (some had connections to Gediminds, some to Rurikid). Polish were without Royal connections, so in this context it should be easy to understand such selection
@wingas Wait. What? How would Oginski be connected somehow with Gedimins, or even Rurikids? That's the weirdest thing I've heard recently. And what do you mean by Polish were without royal connections? Explain please, because at the moment your comment does nothing but bring a smirk to my face.
@wingas not Lithuanian??????? those times Lithuanians in slavic moronic language were called litwins...so what??? why you make decisions for him???? no one knows if he would indentify himself Lithuanian or Belarus nowadays...so stop talking bullshit...200 years ago there were only one nationality called Lithuanians
@PiorunofLV no it was a part of Lithuania, and the union was called The Republic of Two Nations and not commonwealth...btw you must say Lithuanian-polish commonwealth
@discouniverse It was called the Unia polsko-litewska. Union of Poland and Lithuania. Union = One entity not two separate countries. Again you show your ignorance.
@PiorunofLV and again you idiot stop using wiki for your 'knowleadge'...go find and read original lublin's union act...it is said plain and clear that the new country is The Republic of Both Nations, but everything was separate except some 'seimai' and a king...after constitution of 1791 polish degenerates wanter to make it one country, but no one in Lithuania cared about polish insane activity and proclamations...fuck you
I used the source of Henryk Wisner! Also taken from the document himself: "A temu obojemu narodowi żeby już wiecznemi czasy jedna głowa, jeden pan i jeden krol spolny rozkazował, który spolnymi głosy od Polakow i od Litwy obran!"
This basically describes the union that Poland and Lithuania had, UNDER ONE KING. They voted on the King. They had a common law (golden rule) , which was their good. They worked towards a common good which = COMMONWEALTH . Learn my Lithuanian brother!
@PiorunofLV but it was still two separate countries, even were independently participating in wars...after some time it would become one country with polish language due to polish Christianity brought to Lithuania...that is why Lithuanians didn't like such country and moreover poland took a lot of Lithuania's lands using their king as a tool....so Lithuanians have good reasons to do not like union and even today's poland, because 1/3 of polands territory is Lithuanian and Prussian ethnic lands
@discouniverse True they were two independent countries. I can't think of a time when Lithuania fought in a war while Poland did not help them. yes Poland brought Christianity into Lithuania but that was going to happen one way or another. You can't stay pagan forever. It is possible that the people did not like what the government was doing but the nobility on each side were very happy with what was occurring. Don't forget that both Lithuanian and Polish nobility had the golden rule of voting.
@PiorunofLV why you cannot be pagan forever???? and there are more battles when Lithuania fought alone against moscovites or germans, than together with poland...even Lithuania alone crushed Chmelnitski on behalf of poland...where were poles????? why poles only fought against us, but with outside threats Liythuania had to deal??? that is why Lithuania lost many lives and eventualy become less powerful than poland...at the time of Jogaila Lithuania could conquer poland very easily
@discouniverse If Lithuania were pagan there would be crusades coming from countries like Prussia. To be honest I think you are over-exaggerating the separation between Poles and Lithuanians. You make it seem as if Lithuania did everything and Poland did nothing. You have to remember that there was a union between them. They did not fight against each other, although im sure there was tension within the border. Lithuania was weaker because they had less nobles voting. But they still had power.
@discouniverse At the time of Jogaila, it would seem that both countries needed each other. This is why they entered into a Union :). The Jagiellons were a Lithuanian Dynasty but they worked for the good of Lithuania and Poland. Poland provided protection from the Hapsburgs and Ottomans while Lithuania did fight the Muscovites. Together Poland and Lithuania prospered broken they would fall.
@wingas Poland was without royal connections?? are you insane!?!?!? ever since they became Catholic there were elections for the King. Although not the "divine right" it was endorsed by the Vatican....
Oginski was polish! In times it was obvious that Lithuania is part of Poland (Republic od Two Nations - no matter that in XIX century it was under german, russian ocuppation)
@misiekcwel you're not right, republic of two nations was a republic of TWO NATIONS, where both Lithuania and Poland had even rights (Lithuanian ethnic lands were much larger than Polish). Lithuania never belonged to Poland, and Oginski was Lithuanian... Farewell to homeland is farewell to lithuania, everyone who studied at least basic history knows that...
@poncijus ooh thats why its called a Polonaise? did not know that this meant Lithuania....
You sure that it was a REPUBLIC... NOT a commonwealth...Sure Lithuania had rights but there was vastly more Polish nobles so Poland retained the majority of the power within this commonwealth.... Sorry bud but Lithuania was saved due to Poland's involvement. Otherwise Lithuania would be owned by the Teutons...
Well he identified himself as litvin not polish. Litvin is neither polish neither lithuanian it is something like "Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth" citizen. So I wouldnt say polish music, because it is not correct acording to authorsbelieves.
@wieslawl59 how u being an idiot identify yourself as polish??? can you explain to me why his name was Kleopas and not Kleof??? why he put Lithuanian ending to his name???? why his name was chosen from the name of Lithuanian vilage Uogintai?????????? lots of poles are being born now in uk...does it make them not polish???? her mother was 1/2 Austrian and 1/2 polonised Lithuanian Rudnicka (Lith. Rudnia)
@discouniverse Normally I would write, that you definately should consult a shrink , but in your case it is probably too late. I have actually never met a person(not even on Youtube) who was so mentally damaged as you are. I actually pity you. Your life must be hell . So much hate in just one body.
@wieslawl59 poles are retarded stupids, that is why they are complaining for other health not treating themselves...as u said for poles to do that is too late and only the death of all poles will make this world free of idiots
My father used to play this to me when I was young, so that he never forgot where he came from. It takes me back to the good old days when life was sweet and nothing could go wrong.
Although he is dead now, I hear this song and I feel his hand on my shoulder.
arguing about polish-lithuanian history is dumm. since the idea of a national differences emerged only around XIX century, every commonwealther of plebeian origin was treated equally, every member of szlachta was equal, whether he was orthodox, catholic or protestant, whether german, polish or lithuanian. so why the hell do you try to impose on each other the certitude that this person was polish or lithuanian. they were as one before.
Ogiskio polonezas "Atsisveikinimas su Tėvyne" tikrai gražus kūrinys, tik gaila kad lenkai jį savinasi kaip savo nacionalinį kūrinį, nors Mykolas Kleopas Oginskis buvo Lietuvos Didžiosios Kunigaikštystės veikėjas.
"Graduated history"?:):):) Where at? Special-ed school?:):):) "When nation of belarus began to have ambition to have their own country?" Answer: August 25, 1991, when it declared independence:) That'd be 19 years ago, dumbass:):):)
well, i'm wondering where gratuated from... have you ever heard about Grand Duchy of Lithuania? Litvin was a name of a Belarusian back then, and Samogitians were what we call Lithuanians. So I guess they DID have their own country
@santar111 what????? even today half of Belarus are the lands were Lithuanian language was spoken in 1795 and all rivers are of Lithuanian origin not only in whole Belarus, but and Smolensk or Briansk and of cause in North-West poland..can u tell me any of 'those battles of conquest' of Belarus?any??? it used to be many local battles between Lithuanian tribes like Polock against Vilnius, Pinsk-Turov against Polotsk and Vilnius against Pinsk-Turov, but they united by their will and not a conquest
@santar111 belarus land???? belarus as a country was created 500 years later before they joined Lithuania...Lithuania and lands in Belarus is one and the same like poland has West Galicia, malopolska, vielkopolska and mazovia...polish idiots even do not talk about occupied Prussian, Pomeranian, Jotvingian and Ukrainian lands, like fcking russians do not talk how they incorporated Tver, Pskov and Novgorod into their empire because for slavs when you kill locals then it is ok unlike Lithuania did.
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Hm, right, like there is such nation as polaks:) People who lived there always were either East Prussian slaves or West Russian ones:) Back and forth, back and forth:) Alas, Poland was/is a myth:):):)
@lemur77 not exactly like this...in all countries nobles had their own slaves called peasants and after union only 30% of Lithuanian nobles were replaced by poles the rest were polonised Lithuanians because they do not care about nationality only about their wealth
Piękny, przejmujący, nostalgiczny i jednocześnie podniosły polonez. Jest w nim smutek, dostojeństwo ... i coś jeszcze czego nie potrafię nazwać, ale co wywołuje ciarki na plecach. Chwyta za serce i nie pozwala zapomnieć że jestem Polakiem.
@discouniverse I pity u and your obsesson with farting, do you often suffer from winds?
But seriously, such twisted and sickheaded people like yourself should be locked in a mental asylum so they don't start any massacre like the one in Norway. You are SICK, are you aware of that?
And, by the way, Belarus has the same right to claim Oginski (Ahinski) as a Belarusian just like Lithuanians may call him Lithuanian or Poles call him Polish. At that time there has not yet been Lithuania or Belarus or Poland in the modern meanings of these words
What the hell are you talking about? Poland in modern meaning of this word is culturally and historically a continuation of Poland from 500 or 1000 years ago. The same with Lithuania. The only recent creature is Belarus.
Lithuania and even Poland are continuation of the nationalist republics of the early 20th century. The old Rzecz Pospolita has been destroyed in late 18th century. Besides that, what Oginski called his Fatherland and home in the very narrow sense of word is exactly what is now Belarus
@kaczypawlak Obecnie grupa polskich profesorów i autorów znanych książek historyczny uważa, zresztą trafnie, ze Białorusini nie są odrębnym narodem... Oni są przymusowo 'tresowani' a tak naprawdę jest to zlepek narodowości....
c@077sparrow077 toi tak lepiej niż Ukraińcy, którzy się sami wymyślili jako naród. A tak szczerze to ja wolę Białorusinów jako sąsiadów i niż Ruskich bezpośrednio.
@kaczypawlak Oczywiście... Ale jakże piękną byłaby powstała idea zjednoczenia? -Tyle samo piękną, co i niemożliwą. Być może kiedys tego dożyjemy, ale nie naszym zadaniem jest gdybanie :)
@czalex Belarus and Lithuania which is the same...Oginski name is from a small village from todays Lithuania and not todays Belarus...because Lietuva=Belarus+Lietuva
Aye, right you are:) The same bullshit approach the fucking jews use to justify occupation of the Palestine - it's just a "continuation of the "jewish state" from 2000+ years ago". Perhaps our Native Americans should consider the same idea, no? With the "only recent creature" being US of A:):):)
@czalex But Serenissima Res Publica Regni Coronae Poloniae et Magni Ducis Lithvianiae has got a nationalism long before it was created in other countries. Have you ever heard about sarmatia? They was proud to be Polish or Lithuanian gentry. But others was indeed only serf of Polish kings. So gentry knows what is nationalism and which nation they are.
@czalex Belarus and is Lithuania...Oginski father was born in todays Belarus and mother in todays Lithuania, but the very name Oginski comes from Lithuanian language and village Uogintai meaning 'land of berries'
@leodm poland is the best piece of shit...and this music like and Kopernikas or Milasius are Liyjuanian music...poles are degenerated shiteating kurwas
My father always wanted to hear me play this on the Piano. Unfortunatly it's too late now....3 years after his death I think I'll try to find the score for it...The memory lives on even if the man does not.
If anyone has a copy that they can e-mail me I would be gratefull....
@arka67 poles are degenerated farthing shits, so no more ryzopaspolita EVER...btw polish animals must give back occupied Lithuanian land - whole Prussia till Vistula and Bug, Yatviagia and Pomerania
that's what is called music without borders. you just need to listen and feel it..simply magnificent!
orxanbehremli 2 weeks ago
Pan Oginski was a European just like Beethoven. The old Commonwealth was a medieval constitutional monarchy with an elected king and a parliament of landowners and it was very cosmopolitan. Its official legal and constitutional language was New Latin (Latina Nova). In medieval times Latin was the lingua franca of Europe and was understood by educated people from Lisbon to Moscow. Ethnic nationalism did not arrive in central Europe until long after he died. Just enjoy the music!
LuluPolska1 3 months ago
Oginski was lituanian, he lived at Vilnius and near Rietavas.
MrDanielius 4 months ago
@MrDanielius ...but Wilno was more Polish than Lithuanian in those days, plus he was born near Warsaw from polish mother and lithuanian father with polish last name, and considered himself as Polish...
Ramses22322 1 week ago
guys, how about he was Belarusian!
Definetly he has less Polish in him than anything else!
But it is hard to belive but definetly they didn;t have identity like belarussian, lithuanian or polish back than it was GDL and Rech Pospolita! so I think it is hard and no use to argue!
pannochka20 5 months ago
I play this song
katyushka101 8 months ago
Michal Kazimierz Oginski: Polish composer, Lithuanian Treasurer, Russian Senator. Born to Lithuanian father (albeit of Polish last name) and Polish mother, he worked for Polish government, was a Polish diplomat in Netherlands and France, fought under Kosciusko during Polish uprising, supported Polish independence, and wrote the ultimate Polish music - the Polonaise. Learn your history, folks...
estorne66 9 months ago 20
@estorne66 'Lithuanians with polish names' is a proof that most 'lithuanians' are actually belorussian.
coturnix19 2 months ago
@coturnix19 Belarusians=Litvins, you are right. And Oginski very love his motherland- GDL (Belarus+Vil'na and Belostok)
GladkyAndrey 2 hours ago
@estorne66 U understand, that this lithuanians was slavic? ;)
GladkyAndrey 2 hours ago
Tyle tylko, że kompozytor nazywał się Michał Kazimierz Ogiński, a nie Kleofas
Jakubaszek100 9 months ago
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@Jakubaszek100
Wedlug informacji zamieszczonych na stronach Wikipedia - obojetnie czy to na polskiej,niemieckiej czy angielskiej.
Tworca tego utworu pozostanie Michała Kazimierza Ogińskiego bratanek Michał Kleofas Ogiński .
ThePyjtele 9 months ago
Lithuanian ITI - go home. Ogiński - lithuanian surname? Please, don't be pathetic.
winters00n 10 months ago
like
nino2646 10 months ago
Maybe he was polish, I don't know his family.. they was polish or lithuanian, but this music was written to Lithuanian capital - Vilnius, because he liked this city. And it is true :D And to me it have no meaning he was polish or lithuanian. It was dedicated to Lithuanian capital - Vilnius :)
By the way, it is beautiful music :)
BaltijaLT 10 months ago
SZACUN
skilioe 10 months ago
Familiar tune..
paopaomanalansan 10 months ago
Guys, I don't care who is Oginsky in nationality. I really like and enjoy his music. And please, stop this useless discussion. Music has no borders, neither Polish, nor Lithuanian.
SrdjanLimich 11 months ago 36
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Michal Kleofas Oginsky polak (from Polonia).
Appsus 6 months ago
@Appsus I guess that Lithuanians will not agree with you, my Polish friend.
You have Chopin, Veniavski, and many many more, while they have really Curlionis as composer/painter and would be likely to them to add more pride to their nationality.
And I really like Oginski's Polonaise from my childhood and never consider his or others nationality as sourse for talent. Enjoy his and Curlionis music.
SrdjanLimich 6 months ago
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Appsus 6 months ago
@SrdjanLimich Correct - no borders, but soul, originating from the heart of the composer, and his heart came from the soil of his country.
yessroman 3 months ago
@yessroman Agree with you.
And I do not like all this politically oriented discussion here.
Just listen good music and enjoy. This is my credo.
SrdjanLimich 3 months ago
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no friend, even from english, for example:
"1931: 196,345 inhabitants.[34] A census of 9 December 1931 reveals that Poles made up 65.9% of the total Vilnius population (128.600 inhabitants), Jews 28% (54.600 inhabitants), Russians 3,8% (7.400 inhabitants), Belarusians 0.9% (1.700 inhabitants), Lithuanians 0.8% (1.579 inhabitants), Germans 0.3% (600 inhabitants), Ukrainians 0.1% (200 inhabitants), others 0.2% (approx. 400 inhabitants)"
WilkVreid 11 months ago
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WilkVreid 11 months ago
If you only wanted Vilnius why Polish army in 1920 attacked Lithuania army in Vievis? Far from Vilnius. Why Poland broke The Suwałki Agreement? Haha... You know what he said and thought? :D From Little country...:) So? What the difference of "big" and "small" country? You spoken about independent sourses :) 60 % of Polish people in Vilnius. This is from Poland sources? Because from Lithuania sources I finding 35 % of people who spoked Polish, but it not mean what whey are Polish people :)
nightmusicvideos 11 months ago
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WilkVreid 11 months ago
@nightmusicvideos Language does not correlate with nationality. nationality is a person deepest unifying force. Nationality is that which a person works for for the common good of that nationality. Nationality is what allows people to globalize and then to unify personhood in general- JP2
PiorunofLV 10 months ago
And yes, 60% is true number, for this reason we wanted to join Vilnius to Poland after I World War, not because we didn't like Lithuanians people etc.
WilkVreid 11 months ago
Dude... I dont care what he thought or what he said. I speak about facts. Independent source? So give my example of really independent source :) I will read him with pleasure. He never said that he's Lithuanian? So give my source where he's say what he is Polish :) I can be wrong but for my only real thing is true facts but not storys. 60%? You speaking about really independent sourse's, but this number is just from Poland sourses... Really true number? I dont think so, sorry:)
nightmusicvideos 11 months ago
@nightmusicvideos "Dude... I dont care what he thought or what he said. I speak about facts."
LOL :) this what he said aren't facts? i'm sure if he could know, that someone from little foreign country try to said that he's not Polish, he would move to Warsaw :) Ok anyway, " Farewell to Homeland" is POLONAISE, not LITHUANAISE sweetheart :)
WilkVreid 11 months ago
You want to say what he was fighting only for Polish independence but in time when a new war threatened (Russia and France 1812m.) Oginski was policy who suggest to Russia tsar Alexander I to re-create LDK with autonomy from Russia. Maybe he believed what France will win war with Russia and ATR will be re-created, but anyway this thing demonstrate what Oginski was Lithuania patriot to.
nightmusicvideos 11 months ago
@nightmusicvideos i've said before, please read Oginski's biography, from independent source. He never said that he's Lithuanian. Before II World War in Wilno (Vilnius) lived 60% of Polish citizens, and only 2% Lithuanians
WilkVreid 11 months ago
I dont say what Oginski is only Lithuanian. I say what he is hero of Lithuanias and Polish culture and policy. This is same with Adomas Mickevičius. Polish says what he is Polish poet. But he born in LDK and wrote about Lithuania. He wisited Poland only one time. Anyway they both is heros of Lithuania and Poland.
nightmusicvideos 11 months ago
@nightmusicvideos "I dont say what Oginski is only Lithuanian". No my friend, he isn't even 1% lithuanian. You can read his biography, letters etc. He just born in Lithuania (today), this is nothing. Even he was fighting for Polish independence, not Lithuanian. Sorry, but no way ;-) You just can't usurp Polish famous people, because they born in current land of Lithuania. Long time ago in your land lived much more Polish people than Lithuanian.
WilkVreid 11 months ago
@WilkVreid "No my friend, he isn't even 1% lithuanian."
My friend, his father's nationality was Lithuanian, his mother's - Polish. Even under the most feministic attitude I do not think this would count as <1%...
Anyway, good luck, I am moving on to some Chopin clip.)
tetervinas69 10 months ago
Oginski born in LDK. Why he is only Polish hero? Just because he talk polish? :)
nightmusicvideos 11 months ago
@nightmusicvideos It's simple, the nobility of Poland/Lithuania at that time only spoke Polish, only the peasantry spoke Lithuanian. So if Oginski was a peasant, which he was not, then he could be classified as Lithuanian. However, because he belonged to the gentry and could not speak Lithuanian he was a Pole. The same principle applied to Ruthenia. As the Duke of Wellington said, "just because someone is born in a stable, doesn't make him a horse".
hague1cameron 10 months ago
@hague1cameron So, you wont to say what all Lithuania nobility in that time's when they spoke Polish was Poles? Interesting opinion... So, other example. In XVIII or XIX age Russian nobility spoke French. So what means they was French?
nightmusicvideos 10 months ago
@nightmusicvideos Not quite. What I am saying is that Polish was their mother tongue, because they could not speak Lithuanian. I am sure that they could speak some additional languages to Polish but Lithuanian was not one of them. You are right about the Russian nobility they could and did speak French; however they could also speak Russian.
hague1cameron 10 months ago
@nightmusicvideos Medieval nobility didn't have nationality, other than that of being european nobility. nations are inventions of latter, bourgeois times. In russia, it wouldn't happen until 20th century, though, or may be even now. But russian nobility was wiped out in revolution.
coturnix19 9 months ago
Anything that was written here from my profile was not me I think I left my profile on somewhere I dont even know whats going on
Yasin72076 1 year ago
Anything that was written here from my profile was not me I think I left my profile on somewhere I dont even know whats going on
Yasin72076 1 year ago
Coś pięknego.Kiedyś grałem go na akordeonie.
nifur1 1 year ago
the same applies to @shabanovorg
creteilove 1 year ago
@Yasin72076 If anybody here is an idiot, it is you. Get a life hater! Why did you even click on this video. Get a shrink instead of using youtube as a therapy for your mental situation. If you don't know how to appreciate beautiful music , too bad for you.
creteilove 1 year ago
@MrMekigis Hehe Nicely said.. :p
Yasin72076 1 year ago
Children - dzieci - stop! Każdy (everybody has a history) ma historię. Dajcie nam słuchać w zgodzie tego pięknego utworu!
skoska4 1 year ago
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PiorunofLV 1 year ago
the tribe called poles is a shame of whole humanity...Lithuanians tried for nearly 500 years to educate them and civilised but with no success...btw Herodotus mentioned that poles are canibals and maneaters (the tribe androphagus lived close to kracow desert).
discouniverse 1 year ago
@discouniverse your an idiot. You are a shame to the Lithuanian people. Poland and Lithuania used to be great together (notice the word TOGETHER). You do not understand the principles behind this union... Just stop talking you are shaming Lithuanians. No one wants to hear your rambling and bullshit. You are historically incorrect, your English is poor and you are a bigot. Please educate yourself and respect your own culture. stop making shit up. Thank You!
PiorunofLV 1 year ago
@PiorunofLV no I am not polish, so I cannot be an idiot
discouniverse 1 year ago
@discouniverse Yes and you are ignorant. Good enough for me.
PiorunofLV 1 year ago
@PiorunofLV ??? yes I do not know when you last time had anal sex with 5 black men, but I and do not care, it's your private life, so no one should judge you for your sins
discouniverse 1 year ago
@discouniverse Yes of course you make Lithuanians very proud with your bigoted remarks. nice job making a fool out of yourself. Now Lithuanians and Poles will despise you equally!
PiorunofLV 1 year ago
@PiorunofLV what??? you polish shit talk for yourself and not for Lithuanians
discouniverse 1 year ago
@discouniverse Nope I am pretty sure that you are disrespecting Lithuanians.
PiorunofLV 1 year ago
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@PiorunofLV dear polish shit, can you look at your own english? :))))))))))))) it seems that every pole has some kind of brain damage
discouniverse 1 year ago
Well...the level of our historical debate is so high...world is more complicated than some of you think....Specially in history of Eastern Europe...it was comonwealth of two nations, but remember that polish culture was (and is still) the most deweloped in the region, that's why many of citizens identified them as Polish, not Lithuanian or Ukrainian (in this time -XIX century- was in fact nothink like ukrainian or lithuanian nations, they just started to grow)
misiekcwel 1 year ago
@misiekcwel ??? polish culture??? are you talking about curwas???? polish sluts who spread polish 'developed' culture?? :)))) you were slaves for romans and even were forced to talk in latin and only after Lithuanian Jogaila conquered poland he forced you to speak slavic idiotic language...even 200 of Lithuanian rule over poland couldn't civilised poles who were cannibals in Herodotus times and ate each other even in 11th century during times of famines...you even today have no culture, u idiot
discouniverse 1 year ago
@discouniverse Continue to make shit up... You obviously are an uneducated Peasant...
Latin was required in the court even when Jogaila was in power. This was the requirement of the Vatican idiot. You are so stupid. Go back and educate yourself you peasant!
PiorunofLV 1 year ago
@PiorunofLV you polish shit just tell me who fucked your henish brains????? you are so stupid that even every your 'true knowleadge' is a nonsence and you even do not suspect this
discouniverse 1 year ago
@PiorunofLV you polish shit should know that in cispooland whole state language was Latin even in churches and your idiot dlugosh wrote in Latin because at that time you were peasant and had no literacy....that is why and Lithuania used slavic-bulgarian language as a state language...later Kiev and Belarus due to this language were forced to forget Lithuanian language and developed their own slavic language based on slavic-bulgarian language...educate yourself you polish idiot
discouniverse 1 year ago
@misiekcwel identify themselves as poles??? during occupation of Vilnius and later during soviet occupation these people WERE FORCE TO GO TO POLISH SCHOOLS U STINKING STUPID POLE...THEIR PARENTS WERE KILLED JUST BY USING LITHUANIAN LANGUAGE AT HOME YOU POLISH STINKING SHIT...IS THIS POLISH CULTURE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT??? YOU POLES ARE ANIMALS
discouniverse 1 year ago
@discouniverse Killed by using the Lithuanian language? Where is your history child. The soviets caused this oppression NOT the Poles. Plus Wilno is a Polish city!! always was ethnically Polish! Go back to your pagan ways. You should be glad that the union with Poland made both our countries great!
PiorunofLV 1 year ago
@PiorunofLV swallow your own urine you polish moron...I see you already swallowed your own semen...Vilnius always was Lithuania's capital and the first poles who visited Vilnius were 45 000 captured polish slaves in 14th century who were released and sent back to cispooland after Lithuania's king Jogaila ceased polish thrown in 1385...Vilnius was occupied by filthy tribe poles just for 17 years with a help of whole western world and massacred 4000 Lithuanian babies and children in Vilnius
discouniverse 1 year ago
@discouniverse Can you write? What do you mean by that: "after Lithuania's king Jogaila ceased polish thrown in 1385..." Do you really know what the word "cease" means? What is "thrown"? Do you mean "throne"? Write less but carefully.
By the way, it is possible that the successors of these "Polish slaves" are still there around Vilna and maybe you are one of them although you are not aware...
Check it first...
See you next year in December. Cheer up, don't worry. :))
SerskiGuslar 1 year ago
@SerskiGuslar yes there are some of those slaves around Vilnius...some 500
discouniverse 1 year ago
@SerskiGuslar about crusaders and poles resting side by side wrote some polish fairytale teller dlugosh
discouniverse 1 year ago
@discouniverse Yes of Course. That's why they were part of the Holy League and defended Vienna in a Crusade against the Ottomans. May I add this was an army of Poles AND lithuanians.
You are disrespecting your people discouniverse, don't talk anymore. Will any other Lithuanian please tell your fellow man to respect his past.
PiorunofLV 1 year ago
@SerskiGuslar Ciurlionis is very beautiful Lithuanian family name...you should be proud of bearing this name not because of your famous relative, but because in Lithuanian language it means clear and divine sound of flowing stream...My family is from the same village as your famous relative
discouniverse 1 year ago
@MrMekigis you are german idiot?????? so what are you doing in Vilnius then? :))) the problem with poles are that they have nothing to be proud of, that is why they are steeling heritage of neighbouring nations,Copernicus had 0% polish blood and Skladowska was half Ukrainian, pope was Lithuanian by family name and his mother was born in Kaunas (Lithuania), however he thougth that he is of joint nationality while Copernicus knew that he is Prussian and even couldn't speak polish.he wrote in Latin
discouniverse 1 year ago
@discouniverse Yes no one is Polish everyone is Lithuanian .. Even Drogba is Lithuanian...
Yasin72076 1 year ago
@Yasin72076 no this one is polish :)))))
discouniverse 1 year ago
@Yasin72076 You don't have to explain it for normal people. Lithuania is a very small and very complexed nation, and usually try to appropriated 3/4 of Polish national artist / heroes. For lithuanian is no matter, that they spoke and wrote in polish, and they were polish patriots. People from Lithuania always knows better. But this is not problem for Poland, we are very placable ;-)
WilkVreid 1 year ago
@WilkVreid Absolutely agree with you.
If people speaking and thinking in one language and consider themselves as belonging to particular nation, nobody could claim they are others. Clear examples were Tadeus Kostyushko or Gen Lafayette. Americans consider them as their heroes, but they're Polish and French. So, what are they? Americans????
Greetings from Armenia.
SrdjanLimich 11 months ago
@MrMekigis do not tell everyone what you see in the mirror you idiot...read carefully facts you polish idiot
discouniverse 1 year ago
@MrMekigis poles, without Lithuanians who ruled that land populated by catle=poles, are just a bunch of idiots...even shopen was half french half jew
discouniverse 1 year ago
@MrMekigis you, idiot, really are an idiot and yout father was obi-wan kenobi and mother was chinggis khan, so they simple cannot be Lithuanians...u stupid, even do not suspect that Vytautas Gerulaitis, Vytautas Didysis (100% Lith), Jogaila (half Lithuanian-Samogitian half Lithuanian-Galindian from Tver), Harrison Ford, Kirk Douglas (both 50% jew from Mogilev, 50% Lith), pope Karolis Voityla-Vaidila are genuine Lithuanians some of jewish origin some pure Lithuanians some polonised Lithuanians
discouniverse 1 year ago
Yes yes you can believe what ever you want, but truth still will not change. Routs of all Oginski family is from Lithuanian Grand Duchy so not polish. Oginski were most likely of Rurikid stock.
and still "The "Rurikid Dynasty DNA Project" of FamilyTreeDNA commercial genetic genealogy company reports that Y-DNA testing of the descendants of Rurikids suggests their non-slavic origin."
but as I said you can believe what ever you want.
wingas 1 year ago
@wingas No one denies his roots are from Lithuania. My own roots are from nowadays Estonia. Does that make me Estonian?
Pietruch 1 year ago
@Pietruch ????? u should know it better...like and Copernicus was 3/4 Prussian and only 1/4 german and lived in poland...the thing is that he wrote Farewell when he was forced to flee from Lithuania to poland...moreover he was the one who wanted to restore Lithuania and not poland...u decide for yourself
discouniverse 1 year ago
@Pietruch
if you will start think that you are estonian you will be estonian then, because nationality is actually only personal selection. Currently it works so anyway.
Oginski belongs to those who identified itselc as litvin (not lithuanian). Why was it better to be litvin but not a polish ?
Simple answer connection to Royal families (some had connections to Gediminds, some to Rurikid). Polish were without Royal connections, so in this context it should be easy to understand such selection
wingas 1 year ago
@wingas Wait. What? How would Oginski be connected somehow with Gedimins, or even Rurikids? That's the weirdest thing I've heard recently. And what do you mean by Polish were without royal connections? Explain please, because at the moment your comment does nothing but bring a smirk to my face.
Pietruch 1 year ago
@Pietruch Exactly! Ive been explaining this to him the whole time. His historical literacy as at a minimum....
PiorunofLV 1 year ago
@wingas not Lithuanian??????? those times Lithuanians in slavic moronic language were called litwins...so what??? why you make decisions for him???? no one knows if he would indentify himself Lithuanian or Belarus nowadays...so stop talking bullshit...200 years ago there were only one nationality called Lithuanians
discouniverse 1 year ago
@discouniverse 200 years ago Belarus was part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
PiorunofLV 1 year ago
@PiorunofLV no it was a part of Lithuania, and the union was called The Republic of Two Nations and not commonwealth...btw you must say Lithuanian-polish commonwealth
discouniverse 1 year ago
@discouniverse It was called the Unia polsko-litewska. Union of Poland and Lithuania. Union = One entity not two separate countries. Again you show your ignorance.
PiorunofLV 1 year ago
@PiorunofLV and again you idiot stop using wiki for your 'knowleadge'...go find and read original lublin's union act...it is said plain and clear that the new country is The Republic of Both Nations, but everything was separate except some 'seimai' and a king...after constitution of 1791 polish degenerates wanter to make it one country, but no one in Lithuania cared about polish insane activity and proclamations...fuck you
discouniverse 1 year ago
@discouniverse
I used the source of Henryk Wisner! Also taken from the document himself: "A temu obojemu narodowi żeby już wiecznemi czasy jedna głowa, jeden pan i jeden krol spolny rozkazował, który spolnymi głosy od Polakow i od Litwy obran!"
This basically describes the union that Poland and Lithuania had, UNDER ONE KING. They voted on the King. They had a common law (golden rule) , which was their good. They worked towards a common good which = COMMONWEALTH . Learn my Lithuanian brother!
PiorunofLV 1 year ago
@PiorunofLV but it was still two separate countries, even were independently participating in wars...after some time it would become one country with polish language due to polish Christianity brought to Lithuania...that is why Lithuanians didn't like such country and moreover poland took a lot of Lithuania's lands using their king as a tool....so Lithuanians have good reasons to do not like union and even today's poland, because 1/3 of polands territory is Lithuanian and Prussian ethnic lands
discouniverse 1 year ago
@discouniverse True they were two independent countries. I can't think of a time when Lithuania fought in a war while Poland did not help them. yes Poland brought Christianity into Lithuania but that was going to happen one way or another. You can't stay pagan forever. It is possible that the people did not like what the government was doing but the nobility on each side were very happy with what was occurring. Don't forget that both Lithuanian and Polish nobility had the golden rule of voting.
PiorunofLV 1 year ago
@PiorunofLV why you cannot be pagan forever???? and there are more battles when Lithuania fought alone against moscovites or germans, than together with poland...even Lithuania alone crushed Chmelnitski on behalf of poland...where were poles????? why poles only fought against us, but with outside threats Liythuania had to deal??? that is why Lithuania lost many lives and eventualy become less powerful than poland...at the time of Jogaila Lithuania could conquer poland very easily
discouniverse 1 year ago
@discouniverse If Lithuania were pagan there would be crusades coming from countries like Prussia. To be honest I think you are over-exaggerating the separation between Poles and Lithuanians. You make it seem as if Lithuania did everything and Poland did nothing. You have to remember that there was a union between them. They did not fight against each other, although im sure there was tension within the border. Lithuania was weaker because they had less nobles voting. But they still had power.
PiorunofLV 1 year ago
@discouniverse At the time of Jogaila, it would seem that both countries needed each other. This is why they entered into a Union :). The Jagiellons were a Lithuanian Dynasty but they worked for the good of Lithuania and Poland. Poland provided protection from the Hapsburgs and Ottomans while Lithuania did fight the Muscovites. Together Poland and Lithuania prospered broken they would fall.
PiorunofLV 10 months ago
@wingas Poland was without royal connections?? are you insane!?!?!? ever since they became Catholic there were elections for the King. Although not the "divine right" it was endorsed by the Vatican....
PiorunofLV 1 year ago
@wingas If you look further into the dna maybe you will find out his originally from Ethiopia .. Does it make him African now??
Yasin72076 1 year ago
@Yasin72076 I pitty all slavs because they are a disgrace to human kind
discouniverse 1 year ago
This is awesome! It's beautiful, gothic and bit medieval... so historical!
TheShichinintai 1 year ago
Oginski was polish! In times it was obvious that Lithuania is part of Poland (Republic od Two Nations - no matter that in XIX century it was under german, russian ocuppation)
misiekcwel 1 year ago
@misiekcwel if was republic of two nations, so why not poland was a part of Lithuania????
discouniverse 1 year ago
@misiekcwel you're not right, republic of two nations was a republic of TWO NATIONS, where both Lithuania and Poland had even rights (Lithuanian ethnic lands were much larger than Polish). Lithuania never belonged to Poland, and Oginski was Lithuanian... Farewell to homeland is farewell to lithuania, everyone who studied at least basic history knows that...
poncijus 1 year ago
@poncijus ooh thats why its called a Polonaise? did not know that this meant Lithuania....
You sure that it was a REPUBLIC... NOT a commonwealth...Sure Lithuania had rights but there was vastly more Polish nobles so Poland retained the majority of the power within this commonwealth.... Sorry bud but Lithuania was saved due to Poland's involvement. Otherwise Lithuania would be owned by the Teutons...
PiorunofLV 1 year ago
Well he identified himself as litvin not polish. Litvin is neither polish neither lithuanian it is something like "Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth" citizen. So I wouldnt say polish music, because it is not correct acording to authorsbelieves.
wingas 1 year ago
@wingas If his father OGIŃSKI Andrzej Ignacy was Polish, and his mother was Polish too, how could he identify himself as Litwin? On basis of what?
wieslawl59 1 year ago
@wieslawl59 how u being an idiot identify yourself as polish??? can you explain to me why his name was Kleopas and not Kleof??? why he put Lithuanian ending to his name???? why his name was chosen from the name of Lithuanian vilage Uogintai?????????? lots of poles are being born now in uk...does it make them not polish???? her mother was 1/2 Austrian and 1/2 polonised Lithuanian Rudnicka (Lith. Rudnia)
discouniverse 1 year ago
where is this??? i love the pictures
Haruko95 1 year ago
@Haruko95 Most probably in Poland.(the homeland of Oginski)
wieslawl59 1 year ago
@wieslawl59 homeland of Oginski is and always will be Lithuania you stupid polish shit
discouniverse 1 year ago
@discouniverse Normally I would write, that you definately should consult a shrink , but in your case it is probably too late. I have actually never met a person(not even on Youtube) who was so mentally damaged as you are. I actually pity you. Your life must be hell . So much hate in just one body.
wieslawl59 1 year ago
@wieslawl59 poles are retarded stupids, that is why they are complaining for other health not treating themselves...as u said for poles to do that is too late and only the death of all poles will make this world free of idiots
discouniverse 1 year ago
@wieslawl59 not homeland but birth place...he lived in Lithuania
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roseagius 1 year ago
When i listen to this song i feel a feeling of sorrow, yet a tear drop of hope
roseagius 1 year ago
My father used to play this to me when I was young, so that he never forgot where he came from. It takes me back to the good old days when life was sweet and nothing could go wrong.
Although he is dead now, I hear this song and I feel his hand on my shoulder.
WolfieTed 1 year ago
Music for soul!
Touched much
nasaa27 1 year ago
божественная музыка!
MsKisa35 1 year ago
beautiful
homousios 1 year ago
Многострадальная Польша...слёзы на глазах...
AndradeSha 1 year ago 2
migliore musica polacca, mi piace questa pista, piena di rispetto Saluto tutti i polacchi
7upsewe1995 1 year ago
arguing about polish-lithuanian history is dumm. since the idea of a national differences emerged only around XIX century, every commonwealther of plebeian origin was treated equally, every member of szlachta was equal, whether he was orthodox, catholic or protestant, whether german, polish or lithuanian. so why the hell do you try to impose on each other the certitude that this person was polish or lithuanian. they were as one before.
quovadishomine 1 year ago 4
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Ogiskio polonezas "Atsisveikinimas su Tėvyne" tikrai gražus kūrinys, tik gaila kad lenkai jį savinasi kaip savo nacionalinį kūrinį, nors Mykolas Kleopas Oginskis buvo Lietuvos Didžiosios Kunigaikštystės veikėjas.
LithuanianMen 1 year ago 2
Wiecie jak bardzo Unia Korony z Litwą wzbogaciła polską kulturę?! Wystarczy posłuchać!!!
piotrekRP 1 year ago
wzbogacenie było obopólne w sumie Polonez
ferdovit 1 year ago 2
просто прекрасная вещь
MrGeorgie84 2 years ago 3
cudowna musica . Viva Polska. Za Duzo Serce y Sila y Honor .
Dzekuje mnie po musica .
philosteuropa 2 years ago 8
@philosteuropa polska is a shit, very big stinking shit aka cispooland
discouniverse 1 year ago
@philosteuropa Maybe someone has already told you it, but you know that "y" was used in old polish as "and" (now it's "i"):)
pinkapacla 1 year ago
Beautiful... Just beautiful... Those violins... I realy proud my self i have played it :)
TheDinnaGirl 2 years ago 3
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There is no such a nation as belarus. people who lived there are polish russians and some lithuenians
lemur77 2 years ago
you can stick this comment up to your ass, uneducated idiot
TheYavtuk 2 years ago
I graduated history dumb ass. Tell me when nation of belarus began to have ambition to have their own country? Answer: Ten years ago
lemur77 2 years ago
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"Graduated history"?:):):) Where at? Special-ed school?:):):) "When nation of belarus began to have ambition to have their own country?" Answer: August 25, 1991, when it declared independence:) That'd be 19 years ago, dumbass:):):)
bamberlog 2 years ago
well, i'm wondering where gratuated from... have you ever heard about Grand Duchy of Lithuania? Litvin was a name of a Belarusian back then, and Samogitians were what we call Lithuanians. So I guess they DID have their own country
KitKnox 1 year ago
@KitKnox
read about history of Lithuania. They conquered Belarusians lands, they were minority in their own country, but still it was Lithuania, not belarus.
santar111 1 year ago 12
@santar111 what????? even today half of Belarus are the lands were Lithuanian language was spoken in 1795 and all rivers are of Lithuanian origin not only in whole Belarus, but and Smolensk or Briansk and of cause in North-West poland..can u tell me any of 'those battles of conquest' of Belarus?any??? it used to be many local battles between Lithuanian tribes like Polock against Vilnius, Pinsk-Turov against Polotsk and Vilnius against Pinsk-Turov, but they united by their will and not a conquest
discouniverse 1 year ago
@santar111 belarus land???? belarus as a country was created 500 years later before they joined Lithuania...Lithuania and lands in Belarus is one and the same like poland has West Galicia, malopolska, vielkopolska and mazovia...polish idiots even do not talk about occupied Prussian, Pomeranian, Jotvingian and Ukrainian lands, like fcking russians do not talk how they incorporated Tver, Pskov and Novgorod into their empire because for slavs when you kill locals then it is ok unlike Lithuania did.
discouniverse 1 year ago
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Hm, right, like there is such nation as polaks:) People who lived there always were either East Prussian slaves or West Russian ones:) Back and forth, back and forth:) Alas, Poland was/is a myth:):):)
bamberlog 2 years ago
Polish russians??
kaczypawlak 1 year ago
@lemur77 you idiot in Belarus aka Lithuania poles till 1569 were not allowed to live, so fuck you
discouniverse 1 year ago
@discouniverse But after that for few hundret years Polish people was your nobles and Belarus were only pasants
lemur77 1 year ago
@lemur77 not exactly like this...in all countries nobles had their own slaves called peasants and after union only 30% of Lithuanian nobles were replaced by poles the rest were polonised Lithuanians because they do not care about nationality only about their wealth
discouniverse 1 year ago
Еще Польска не сгинела! )))
ahuvia1 2 years ago 6
Скоро сгинет, ежли только гонору голоштанного не поубавит:)
bamberlog 2 years ago
Piekne! Polak, to brzmi dumnie!
milfil2000 2 years ago 5
Piękny, przejmujący, nostalgiczny i jednocześnie podniosły polonez. Jest w nim smutek, dostojeństwo ... i coś jeszcze czego nie potrafię nazwać, ale co wywołuje ciarki na plecach. Chwyta za serce i nie pozwala zapomnieć że jestem Polakiem.
TadeuszKozak 2 years ago 5
to jest POLSKA
bimber321 2 years ago 2
@bimber321 polska is shit and this is Lithuanian music
discouniverse 1 year ago
@discouniverse I pity u and your obsesson with farting, do you often suffer from winds?
But seriously, such twisted and sickheaded people like yourself should be locked in a mental asylum so they don't start any massacre like the one in Norway. You are SICK, are you aware of that?
Roxyofthemisfits 6 months ago
And, by the way, Belarus has the same right to claim Oginski (Ahinski) as a Belarusian just like Lithuanians may call him Lithuanian or Poles call him Polish. At that time there has not yet been Lithuania or Belarus or Poland in the modern meanings of these words
czalex 2 years ago
What the hell are you talking about? Poland in modern meaning of this word is culturally and historically a continuation of Poland from 500 or 1000 years ago. The same with Lithuania. The only recent creature is Belarus.
pwl1980 2 years ago
Lithuania and even Poland are continuation of the nationalist republics of the early 20th century. The old Rzecz Pospolita has been destroyed in late 18th century. Besides that, what Oginski called his Fatherland and home in the very narrow sense of word is exactly what is now Belarus
czalex 2 years ago
Belarus in this is thinking is only geopraphical area.
kaczypawlak 1 year ago 2
@kaczypawlak Obecnie grupa polskich profesorów i autorów znanych książek historyczny uważa, zresztą trafnie, ze Białorusini nie są odrębnym narodem... Oni są przymusowo 'tresowani' a tak naprawdę jest to zlepek narodowości....
077sparrow077 1 year ago
c@077sparrow077 toi tak lepiej niż Ukraińcy, którzy się sami wymyślili jako naród. A tak szczerze to ja wolę Białorusinów jako sąsiadów i niż Ruskich bezpośrednio.
kaczypawlak 1 year ago
@kaczypawlak Oczywiście... Ale jakże piękną byłaby powstała idea zjednoczenia? -Tyle samo piękną, co i niemożliwą. Być może kiedys tego dożyjemy, ale nie naszym zadaniem jest gdybanie :)
077sparrow077 1 year ago
@czalex Belarus and Lithuania which is the same...Oginski name is from a small village from todays Lithuania and not todays Belarus...because Lietuva=Belarus+Lietuva
discouniverse 1 year ago
@discouniverse Ok but Oginski was born about 80km from Warsaw. The willage you are talking belongs to his uncle.
lemur77 1 year ago
@lemur77 yes because his mother was 1/2 Austrian and 1/2 polonised Lithuanian (Rudnicka which in Lith means Brown like Gordon Brown)
discouniverse 1 year ago
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Aye, right you are:) The same bullshit approach the fucking jews use to justify occupation of the Palestine - it's just a "continuation of the "jewish state" from 2000+ years ago". Perhaps our Native Americans should consider the same idea, no? With the "only recent creature" being US of A:):):)
bamberlog 2 years ago
@czalex But Serenissima Res Publica Regni Coronae Poloniae et Magni Ducis Lithvianiae has got a nationalism long before it was created in other countries. Have you ever heard about sarmatia? They was proud to be Polish or Lithuanian gentry. But others was indeed only serf of Polish kings. So gentry knows what is nationalism and which nation they are.
drhedi 1 year ago
@czalex Belarus and is Lithuania...Oginski father was born in todays Belarus and mother in todays Lithuania, but the very name Oginski comes from Lithuanian language and village Uogintai meaning 'land of berries'
discouniverse 1 year ago
Poland is the best
leodm 2 years ago 6
@leodm poland is the best piece of shit...and this music like and Kopernikas or Milasius are Liyjuanian music...poles are degenerated shiteating kurwas
discouniverse 1 year ago
apparently oginski wrote 12 polonaises-one called death becoming very famous-wonder if the other eleven are as lovely as this?
ladynw777 2 years ago
This was a huge help in me learning to play Polonaise on the piano...
Hey WolfieTed, I'll ask my piano teacher for a pdf copy of the score. ;)
ZealDaan 2 years ago
My father always wanted to hear me play this on the Piano. Unfortunatly it's too late now....3 years after his death I think I'll try to find the score for it...The memory lives on even if the man does not.
If anyone has a copy that they can e-mail me I would be gratefull....
WolfieTed 2 years ago
to jest takie nasze ,polskie
aloes1900 2 years ago
Rzeczpospolita forever !
arka67 2 years ago 2
@arka67 poles are degenerated farthing shits, so no more ryzopaspolita EVER...btw polish animals must give back occupied Lithuanian land - whole Prussia till Vistula and Bug, Yatviagia and Pomerania
discouniverse 1 year ago
@discouniverse
why dont you try to take it Lithuanian land yourself ?? what is stopping you ?
arka67 1 year ago