Flight 77’s cockpit door never opened during flight. The Flight Data Recorder (FDR) begins recording the flight door status once the pilots are in their seats and readying for takeoff, and the plane cannot take off unless the FDR is working.
If the cockpit door never opened, how could the hijackers storm the cockpit and herd the pilots to the back of the plane? The data, which originated from the government, does not support the official story.
It's Microsoft flight simulator, with a data feed scripted from the NTSB data feed.
In case you are not aware, HANI HANJOUR took the time to ride about SIX airliner trips to washington DC from his Arizona apartment on Osama Bin Laden's Dime. Although you have to massage the numbers a bit, so MS Flight Sim can accept it, there are verified script profiles on the internet. This was one of the first, from 3 years ago. NIST and the NTSB co-operated to produce one also.
@Merlin5x5 This means nothing. The end of this video proves that this video proves nothing. It is not compleate
and does not show how it entered at ground level and clipped the poles hitting the building as the offical story claims.
This video appears to show a downward dive towards the second barrier walls ? Flying too high ? is this video showing another story than the offical one ?
@Merlin5x5 This video shows or proves nothing. Do you have something better ? You adding an explanation to a video that supposed to show what happened also can not be confirmed.
@Merlin5x5 Your wrong. Did you watch the video ? which side does the nose of the plane enter the building at ? on his right or left as he is looking out the window ? or "nose to nose as he tells the "story". This is in the history channel docudrama. You tell me the nose is shown on his ..............
@Merlin5x5 You say stanly was on the left side of the building which is the west side, correct ? Lets stay with the History channel documentery Stanly is facing the windows looking out south ,correct ?
which side is the nose of the plane shown coming into the building, on his right or left ? His right being the west
his left being east. so is it stanlys Right or left that the nose is shown ?
@Bakuneon I know. I just sometimes get confused because here in Scandinavia our syntax marking the dates is bit different... I am all too lazy to edit the video. So I let the misinformation reflect my stupidity :)
All the people that believe these STUPID RIDICULOUS conspiracy theories should consult the families of the dead. You tell THEM that their family members were killed whilst riding inside a missile.
The thing you have to remember is that Hani take over at 35,000 ft. He has no idea where he is. How is even going to acquire his target. The idea that Hanjor managed to fly this aircraft into the pentagon is a Fairy tale. A Fairy tale.
One thing you twoofers forget is this. The easiest thing anyone can do with an aircraft is crash it!! I could do it, you could do it....my fucking dog could do it.
The difficulty is taking off and landing....crashing is a piece of piss.......
He had a perfectly good autopilot, which records shows he used for all but 8 minutes of the flight, and then for 5 of those minutes he flew straight and level.
The only "fairy tale" here is that, since you know nothing about aviation or the flight data, is your own theory.
@Alaskaslim how do you know the flight data that you believe is actually real is? Did you study the data from the box yourself? Or are you just blindly taking it as fact?
@Alaskaslim So you actually personally took data from the Blackbox yourself you took it directly from the black box?? with your own hands?? You did that? Right and you were probably there when JFK was shot huh? Oh man How could I have doubted you?
No,I didn't do that, and I don't need to, as unlike you, I trust the NTSB, as everything they claim is consistent with everything else.
And again, your arguement was defeated, because you're argueing what the Truth Movement calls a "non-theory", something EASILY discredited, and which throws doubt onto their entire cause.
By continuing this cherade, your helping me, thanks for that. B)
@Alaskaslim your pathetic dude whats amazing is your lazy and gullible and you find it comforting "I trust the NTSB" they're claims are consistent Im sure the Nazis claims that Jews were just being held prisoner could be found consistent, Tobacco companies can show you statistics that prove tobacco doesnt kill people, why would they allow that they're consumers would be dying. But believe everything you hear...
Uh, no, the NTSB is consistent with what was found, and the ATC tracking information, the ASCE Building report, the 3rd party analysis by Purdue University, and even what I saw myself, since I'm FROM D.C., and the people I know who were there when the plane hit.
I don't just believe "everything I hear", unlike you, I actually saw the scene in question and I DO trust my eyes, and the witnesses I know.
@Alaskaslim So you saw what hundreds of videos and pictures from credible journalists fail to show, you saw the engine parts, the other debris from the aircraft? You saw all these things? Hell i bet you were the guy who found the Passport that was preserved at ground zero with a perfect picture of the supposed terrorist.
@Merlin5x5 First of all Im full of shit read the first line you wrote there its beside the bag its inside?? What the fuck? why would the leather passport be ejected at all if it was near the terrorist asshole it would have been annihilated if it was inside one of the storage compartments whats the likelyhood of the duffel bag i imagine it was in or backpack could survive intact? Its just nonsense
@CptSmokeAlot why bother dude, these guys are obvious shills, you can track their vids and comments and they are all on 911 vids using the same arguments. They are sick fucks who spit on those who died on 911. They went to "debunkers" school, paid $200.00 and now know the "official " story from page to page. They troll all the vids and tell their fairytales, hoping to somehow stop the tide of people who will never let it go, who will continue for the exposure of truth.
No pal, I didn't go to "debunker School to "learn the Truth, I'm a APART of the truth.
I know what happened at the Pentagon, I practically lived there for 6 years, for you people, most of you who've never even BEEN there to claim you know more than me, and the over 100 witnesses whom saw the plane crash, is a joke I will LAUGH at until the sun goes nova.
Your search for the truth is a joke, so long as you think the people WHO WERE THERE, aren't worth listening to.
An aluminum plane can't blow holes through the penatgon.The original hole was at the most 20' diameter.Rag tag cave boy made manuevers that expert pilots have testified they could never make themselves.Auto pilot does not make those manuevers. It wasn't even the enterance hole that was making the fire, there was some sort of container off to the right that made most of the smoke, it was all smoke and mirrors. They even claim to have matched all but 2 passengers DNA, where was the plane?
The Pentagon's facade is just a foot and a half of unreiforced and brick and limestone, an object weighing over 100 tons and moving at 180 feet per minute can pierce it, it doesn't matter what it's made of.
The hold was 16 feet, the damage however was over 90 feet across, adn there were several smaller holes all across it.
And yes Auto pilot DOES turn a PLANE. When he got to the general area he turned it off, and made a 330 degree turn at a turn rate between 30 and 45 degrees, not hard.
Along with the turn, he decended at a rate of 3500 feet per minute, which is standard, not difficult.
If you don't know anything about flying, then shut up.
All he had to know, was where the autopilot and the Transcierver was, the rest was dead reckoning and keeping the turn coordinator in the middle, by passing the part 121 exam, he would known how to do all of that and more.
@Alaskaslim I don't need to know anything about flying, i'm going by the testimony of an instructor who flew with Hanjor. I'm going by the testimony of former airline and military pilots who say it would be impossible for Hanjor to fly that plane into the side of the pentagon. I don't go by the governments account because they have something to hide, obviously.I won't go by your account because you are an obvious shill. He wouldn't have been able to keep the TC in the middle with those manuevers
Want proof? Fine. Tell me, what section of the Pentagon was hit? They all have designations, but it's apparent news agencies didn't bother looking this up, and you won't find this on wikipedia either, it's only if you've been there, or know someone who has.
No you, fail, because your side REALLY DOES say you're wrong, and unlike you, they give the evidence to rpove it.
Don't get me wrong, they still suggest the Government had something to do with it, from remote control to false flag attacks of some sort, but they admit it was Flight 77 that crashed there.
And that alone, makes them more credible to me than you, you deny the truth, they admit it while questioning it.
@Alaskaslim how exactly am I on any side? if those guys are saying something i dont agree with than how are you grouping me with them? Your, in my honest opinion, a giant retard and i think that you like boys like young boys.
They're truthers, they're 1,000s of them, and you are only you.
They present the evidence, and give arguements as best they can, you just yell at people and insult them for not agreeing with you.
They have logic, you're in denial, and the fact you've decided to insult me, the messenger, instead of picking apart why THEY say Flight 77 crashed there, proves you know too little to be talking about this.
Answer me this, the object in the video is CLEARLY over 140 feet long, there is no missile in existence that large, and even if there was, the warhead on such a thing would have destroyed the entire wedge, if not the entire building.
There is also no military aircraft that large, except cargo aircraft which are too slow and different in their design to be mistaken for airliners by experienced pilots, your answer?
Yes, it doesn't work, 707 have four engines, guess how many 757s have (answer: TWO)? And that's not the only KEENLY obvious design difference either.
And the witnesses were veteran Civilian Airline pilots, for decades the 707 was the only model we flew, they could it make it out in a glance, military or otherwise, it doesn't matter, the design was not radically changed, but it would of had to in order to have WINDOWS, as witnesses state they saw.
@Alaskaslim Yeah because painting things that look like windows is so difficult, theres a business in my town that gets paid a shit load to make a brick wall look like a storefront. And at a glance it looks like a store front. And dude seriously how difficult would it be to buy an airplane? Rockstars do it all the time look at Led Zeppelin and the Starship.
To buy an Airliner? Most are leased now-a-days, because out-right pruchase makes little sense, that includes those Rock Bands, they largely get operating leases, they don't own them.
Because of this, Boeing and the financial companies who own them keep a steady tab on where their airframes are... I'm afraid you lose again.
If we were talking about a small Cessna or Piper Cub, maybe, but not aircraft of this size.
@Alaskaslim There is also no military aircraft that large, except cargo aircraft which are too slow and different in their design to be mistaken for airliners by experienced pilots, your answer? + boeing 707= YOU FAIL haha
@Alaskaslim Thanks, Look I understand if you lost someone that you loved in this attack, im sorry for your loss and for that of your friends, but for a person not to show suspicion over an act that has spawned an Illegal war in Iraq, responsible for the deaths of over 4000 iraqi's civilians for what?? WMD's, People responsible for 9/11 NO. Why would they do it than? Obviously for Profit which is wrong no matter how you cut it. And if they can kill 4000 iraqis whats the difference Citizenship?
Uh, pal, as this guy will tell you, yes power systems gained something from this, not just here, but all over the world, does that mean they did this? No.
/watch?v=TwZ-vIaW6Bc
And there was NO profit, not even now, you know Haliburton? They've pulled OUT OF Iraq, they left their subsidary whom manages the contracts for that work to fend for ITSELF, the oil fields don't even pay for themselves, much less the war.
Your "explanations" are as cliched as they are wrong.
and yet they ALSO say the Government was still somehow responsible for it crashing there, so just stop with this charade, there's no point, all you're doing is denying a given fact everyone agrees on.
@Alaskaslim and not everyone agrees on it, like evolution, I believe in evolution even though an ass load of people dont agree because of they're religious bias and they can give you proof all day long, I like to think your closeness to the pentagon and its employees has created a Bias in you. And thats another reason I take what you say very lightly, like i'm sure you take mine, not losing any sleep over it. I like you dont want you to abandon your belief I just want people to think. not go baa
The problem for you is, all the evidence is not yours, you're the Bible-thumping fundamentalists here, you continue to argue while the scale of evidence continues to stack against you.
Mine is not a "belief", I lived in D.C., I'am trained in how aviation in secueirty, and I know what went wrong on 9/11, and it makes far more sense than you're suggestion of technolgoy we haven't even perfected NOW, much less 9 years ago.
@Alaskaslim And where exactly did you find in anything I said that I read the Bible? Im about as agnostic as a person can get, I am often found discussing the rediculousness of the Bible and how its used as a factual account of history. Its nonsense its a good book with good stories but they're just stories.
I didn't say you read the bible, I was extending your own metaphor about evolution, and in this case, you're the stubborn fundamentalist, you believe what you do despite all the evidence contradicting you, and even people on your own side telling you you're wrong.
... You're literal mindset is probably why you believe this crap to begin with.
@Alaskaslim First of All your like one of the bigges liars i've ever had the luck to come accross you seriously make things up about me in an effor to discredit my character instead of the topic, you are common garbage, anything I do is in an effort for someone to look up the topic and find out for themselves, I have never said this happened or this happened I only hint at possibilites, You're literal mindset is probably why you...... I believe your last sentence is you talking about yourself
How am I garbage, when you're own side says you've fallen for a trap, something that only DISCREDITS, the ENTIRE truth movement? I'm not lying, see for yourself:
If you cannot defeat your own side's arguement against you, then once again, you fail. This has nothing to do with character, the simple facts on this are against you.
And I have not lied here, Halliburton does not typcially deal in nuclear material, it's not their forte, that was likely a side-job to something else.
They're a multi-10s-Billion dollar company, and we're talking about a couple million deal here, you honestly think this constitutes even a sizable minority of their profits? Don't make me laugh.
@Alaskaslim Why did we go to Iraq, WMD's what did Cheney sell to some asshole a couple thousand miles away from him, Shit that could detonate WMD's. Saddam Hussein: "I wonder how much money that guy would take for those Detonars" BUT its nothing they're completely unrelated. Because people wouldnt sell those kinds of things to saddam hussein who'd be that crazy..... Or greedy... See what Im saying by taking things way out of context, never once did I state that this has anything to do for profit
The CIA screwed up with 9/11, they knew, the rest of the intelligence community knew it, and it's why they were upsurped from being on top of that community, to just one of the other peons, and thus they were trying to make themselves look like they were on the ball again.
So when scientists in Iraq were making claims to their lovable dictator that the weapons they were trying to develop for him were going as planned, they believed them.
@Alaskaslim your garbage because you try to use half truths as whole ones taking things completely out of context to extremes, and you dont think people see right through you, again with this "Your Side" we resolved this already If I dont agree with someone you'd have to be retarded to group me with them, Are you Retarded? I hope not that would be depressing. Did i bash you when i proved 757's were use in the military, contradicting your statements of no big military aircraft NO cause thats low.
Stop attacking me, and start attacking the evidence, or you might as well admit you were wrong...
And you idiot, 757s are not used in the Military, I contradicted nothing. How many times do I have to tell you? 707s HAVE FOUR ENGINES, 757s HAVE TWO, and they are SMALLER.
It is JUST as I said, their design is DIFFERENT, you fail again.
@Alaskaslim What kind of designation do you think C-32b is not military? C-32b is a 757. They're used by the U.S. Air Force I guess they're not part of the Military anymore.
What do I want? Someone who knows what they're talking about.
A 757 cannot just go missing, and you're insisting two dissapeared on the same day, instead of just the one.
Your plan lacks practicality, really, why not just use Flight 77 itself and be done with it? You're overcomplicating it all by insisting there was another plane.
Well if that's the case, I suppose you won't find any pictures or video of it flying post-9/11, as there was ONLY ONE BUILT, but I've already found that:
/watch?v=85fr9OIEwt0
Pal, looking to exceptions has its drawbacks, and you've just buried yourself with them.
You've lost, because you've refused to familiarize yourself with your topic, and because you don't have a single expert opinion to your credit, all scholars are against you on this one.
Thus, your intent to make people "think", is ill-felt, when you're not doing so yourself.
You don't know how planes are managed, you're not familiar with the history of aircraft crashes, you've never even been to the scene, and yet you claim to be closer to the truth than I? How amusing.
@Alaskaslim Where exactly have I said that im closer to the truth than you? Look back through all of it and find that than show me. Otherwise your words are false. False words equal lies. You dont want to be a liar do you?
@Alaskaslim No Im insisting that some sinister shit went down and there are alot of people who could benefit and alot of people who have benefited LIKE BLACKWATER these guys are now the largest Private Military Force in the WORLD right here in America, these guys get the No-bid Contracts from the government, and one day these guys will probably be the ones who take over security as a whole in this country or when the North American Union destroys our constitution
I don't care what you're "insisting", the evidence is against you.
The entire economy tanked thanks to 9/11, entire industries fell apart, the airlines for example have gone bankrupt one after the other. Other companies, and the Government, lost trillions in assets, there was no advantage, and even if there was, it could have been done with a far smaller oepration that didn't rely on bleeding edge technology, 1,000s of people keeping their mouths shut....
killing 1,000s of Americans, or the compituatlion of agencies whom hate working together.
You have no claim to PRACTICALITY here, nor any obvious gains that would tip against what we lost, the oil wasn't worth this, entire reason we want oil is to AVOID economic collaspe, not entice it.
If you can't spin this with logic, and real-world concerns, then your theory fails.
@Alaskaslim dude if your alright with the deaths of over 4000 people just trying to live their lives in their own country, so that few can make a dollar your a sick guy. And just because some assholes in another country dont mind being war-profiteer's DOESNT mean they had anything to do with it. Thats not what im saying Look up cheneys work with haliburton He has got some dirt ONE OF WHICH HAS TO DO WITH THE SALE OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS DETONATORS TO LIBYAN COLONEL QADDAFI, but its nothing.
Pal, you cannot win here, your explanation for why the Government would support this action, was to give money to an industry, which has been in a down-turn for the last DECADE.
You do not know how our Defense Industry works, and you accuse it while you don't know what has actually transpired.
And Haliburton does not deal in weapons, nor Nuclear Material, so your claims are only further invalidated, they are an Oil Field management company, and they're used for logistics.
@Alaskaslim@Alaskaslim Look it up assmouth. "Halliburton pleads guilty to criminal charges of violating a U.S. ban on exports to Libya by selling Col. Qaddafi six pulse neutron generators, devices that can be used to detonate nuclear weapons.6 Halliburton pays a $3.8 million penalty to settle alleged violations of the U.S. trade ban. 7"
@CptSmokeAlot thats from a website called haliburton watch the numbers following the statements are the references. if you put one of those phrases in google you will find the website.
halliburtonwatch(.)org/ also confirms they've given up on their contracts in Iraq, and that the Oil fields they've managed have produced nothing but losses, you fail again.
@Alaskaslim And have you not heard of Ballistic Missles especially Quasi-Ballistic Missles, most of these ballistic missles are approximately 30 meters which is near 100 feet And there are different kinds of missle warheads some are Kinetic energy warheads just relying on the energy of the impact for destruction of target
Yeah pal, you're talking about the SABOT kinetic penetrators, and here's the problem... they're fired from tanks, they aren't missiles, and they aren't that big.
You clearly aren't familiar with this technology, so I'll clue you in, Ballistic missiles have explosive warheads, whether you're talking about the old Atlas, to the Russian SCUDS, to present day cruise missiles, they all have warheads.
And the reason is, explosives travel, kinetic though loses energy over time.
And still yet, We aren't talking about near 100 feet, the object is over 140 feet, larger than your "Quasi-ballistic missiles" which the U.S. doesn't even have in its inventory, that's a Russian/Chinese thing, so your theory is still invalid, even if your misunderstanding of the technology didn't make it that way.
It is over 140 feet in length, that is undisputable, either adapt your theory to that fact, or drop it.
I've seen the site MYSELF, I practically lived at the Pentagon for 6 years, and on top of that YES, I HAVE seen the pictures, I'm thinking you haven't, otherwise you would know you're arguement is moot.
Engine parts? Right here, matched to those from the Rolls-Royce engines 757-200s are known to use:
And I have the picture of that passport, your point? It's burned, the name is hard to make out, but it's clearly one of theirs. And the fact they found it is pretty typical for airplane crashes, I can show you another passport from Flight 191, or Flight 93, you really don't know what people tend to find at airliner crashes, do you?
If you don't know the history of this topic, how can you claim this doesn't add up? Well, it's moot, you're own side even admit this is foolish, so you're done.
@Alaskaslim Okay so Of all the peoples passports in the airplane the one that survives are the ones that positively identify the so called terrorists? How convenient. The theory that the jet fuel weakened the steel with high temps of fire crashing through steel beams and weak walls but this passpot managed to slip out amazing I wonder what the odds would be of it ever happening again like that the numbers are probably astronomical
@Merlin5x5 And Merlin your stupid..... See that doesnt prove anything does it? How good are your eyes cause I dont think an eagle flying at even 10,000 feet can see distinguishable landmarks, now i dont know im not an optometrist or a scientist but what I do know is that it seems strange that they government would hide the footage and then release only five frames that "show" a plane hit the pentagon. Because the Pentagon only has one camera thats only a touch better than the 7-11 camera......
@Merlin5x5 no i usually do a fair amount of sittin in an airplane i let the plane do the flying.... moron.... haha i just had to do the moron thing cause its your second favorite word next to, Double-Ender.
@Merlin5x5 Im not asking for a clear picture assmouth what im asking is why would they KEEP THE FOOTAGE FROM THE PUBLIC AND LATER RELEASE ONLY A FEW FRAMES???? What happened to the other cameras?? the dozen or so in the building or the dozen or so Outside the building?? or the footage taken from the Gas station close to the pentagon??
@Merlin5x5 If they had no reason to suspect no more foul play than what had happened why wouldnt they just go here it is people this just proves what we said not wait 5 years and than go heres the footage that we've had that proves what we said five years ago
@Merlin5x5 Do you honestly think that The Pentagon is going to release information about all the cameras they have in the facility???? ITS THE PENTAGON ASS and first of all who gives a shit about how many cameras you think they have its a mundane detail, the truth is they would have alot of cameras in the Pentagon I wouldnt be surprised if there wasnt one watching you take a shit.
@CptSmokeAlot Well, yeah, they released photos of the CAMs at the Pentagon, they have been released for YEARS. kill town. 911review. org / images / flight77 /video/ pent-cams-911. jpg I got this online by just "Pentagon Cams". Took 5 minutes of research, lol. They have VERY FEW Cams at the Pentagon. 1. It's seperated by 1 mile from the nearest building. 2. There are only three access points 3. It's surrounded by ELEVATED Freeways. I am SO IMPRESSED by your TRUTHER NUTJOB research
Nice, I tried many times on flight sim to do the same thing & missed about 8 of 10 times. Probably alot harder in real life. I didn't believe the missile thery at first but it makes more sence everyday. If it realy was a plane there would be no missile thery. Nice vid & I like the filter.
I dont have a flight sim with a 747, but I do have 1 with an F-16. I used that and got an easy crash into the pentagon. Those terrorists knew how to fly the planes they used. They weren't rookies
No No No, nice try buddy. You were supposed to SKIM across the front lawn flat and level 5-6 ft off the ground, crash between the ground and 1st/2nd floors with robotic precision just like the security cam shows.
You were at an angle and barely about to clip the pentagon with your right wing. So YOU FAILED.
well no-one is going to be able to re-enact it One Hundred percent perfect dude.... and anyway, its a game, and the physics mightn't b spot on, so plane may crash even if it dosent touch the ground
In flight sim, provided that the realism is at the default setting, it is realitively easy to do a qraudrople barrel roll backflip fronflip double sidewinder at 500+ mph.
What is annoying for another, is pleasant for some other. I will use that filter everytime I like to :) But who knows, maybe I won't use it ever again.
Hey dude, all pilots have licenses, they cannot be "pilots" without a licence? So every licenced pilot is either poor or good (or intermediate?). Yeah, to not control aviation language, pilot is automaticly bad, no?
Nice try buddy. Better luck next time. For one, according to the FDR recovered by the NTSB, the plane started it's 330 degree spiral at 7000 ft. Secondly, your last image shows the jet about equal if not above the Pentagon. According to the FDR and the release security footage, the jet was skimming just above the ground.
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Flight 77’s cockpit door never opened during flight. The Flight Data Recorder (FDR) begins recording the flight door status once the pilots are in their seats and readying for takeoff, and the plane cannot take off unless the FDR is working.
If the cockpit door never opened, how could the hijackers storm the cockpit and herd the pilots to the back of the plane? The data, which originated from the government, does not support the official story.
infoseeker264 11 months ago
whered u get the simulator?
Bakuneon 1 year ago
@Bakuneon
It's Microsoft flight simulator, with a data feed scripted from the NTSB data feed.
In case you are not aware, HANI HANJOUR took the time to ride about SIX airliner trips to washington DC from his Arizona apartment on Osama Bin Laden's Dime. Although you have to massage the numbers a bit, so MS Flight Sim can accept it, there are verified script profiles on the internet. This was one of the first, from 3 years ago. NIST and the NTSB co-operated to produce one also.
Merlin5x5 1 year ago
@Merlin5x5 This means nothing. The end of this video proves that this video proves nothing. It is not compleate
and does not show how it entered at ground level and clipped the poles hitting the building as the offical story claims.
This video appears to show a downward dive towards the second barrier walls ? Flying too high ? is this video showing another story than the offical one ?
asicit2b 1 year ago
@asicit2b
The end of this video, actually, is the limits of technology, dumbshit.
The AIR PRESSURE ALTIMETER ALWAYS LAGS BEHIND the actual
height of the aircraft when it's DESCENDING, and it's LOWER when
the aircraft is ASCENDING. The sample rate is ONCE per second.
BOEING 757s travel about 800 FEET in ONE Second. By the time
an FDR Writes data to the electronic drive, it's nearly two seconds old.
Merlin5x5 1 year ago
@Merlin5x5 This video shows or proves nothing. Do you have something better ? You adding an explanation to a video that supposed to show what happened also can not be confirmed.
asicit2b 1 year ago
@asicit2b
THEN YOU SHOULD LOOK at the HISTORY CHANNEL simulation.
PARTS are here on Youtube, they turned "DOCUMENT" on the MS
flight simulator on. The data points on the FDR, are actually shown
on the screen. The vertical lines are the ALTIMETER.
The flight path control inputs are on the screen. You can see Hani
Hanjours control inputs being played on the screen. Here is a
truther nutjob, recording BS OVER the history channel.
watch?v=R03oE9aw7fA&NR=1&feature=fvwp
Merlin5x5 1 year ago
@Merlin5x5 The History Channel ? Are you kidding me ? Watch the docudrama on Stanley Praimnath
( The Twin Towers - Plane Impact Survivor Clip ) they dident even have him placed correctly in relation to the plane !
Very wrong ! NO thanks. I see that the last remaining parameters either were not recorded properly or was not recorded. And cannot /wasnot confirmed ?
asicit2b 1 year ago
@asicit2b
The HISTORY CHANNEL got their flight path video from the NTSB.
Your VERY Wrong video is incorrect, both in the placement of the survivor,
AND the placement of the plane. You seem to forget what I tell you every
5 minutes. There is a TIME LAG in every data recorder.
This is NOT science fiction, it's practical engineering, Remember?
Merlin5x5 1 year ago
@asicit2b
BY THE WAY, I looked up Stanley Praimnath.
Stanley's position and viewpoint of the Attack on WTC 2 is confirmed,
he was on the Phone, remember? The phone call was to his office, and
his story, his position, and the timing was confirmed by the recipient of his call.
Merlin5x5 1 year ago
@Merlin5x5 Your wrong. Did you watch the video ? which side does the nose of the plane enter the building at ? on his right or left as he is looking out the window ? or "nose to nose as he tells the "story". This is in the history channel docudrama. You tell me the nose is shown on his ..............
asicit2b 1 year ago
@asicit2b
No, actually, I am NOT wrong. Stanly was on the LEFT side of WTC 2,
as seen from the south. He was above the lowered left wing, and
at the level of the body, which was to the right of his position. The
single stairwell that survived was behind his position, at the south
west corner of the WTC 2 core. (Stairwell A) Stanley was at the
most dangerous position, but 14 other people survived from the
impact area floors, and Two from above the impact floor.
Merlin5x5 1 year ago
@Merlin5x5 You say stanly was on the left side of the building which is the west side, correct ? Lets stay with the History channel documentery Stanly is facing the windows looking out south ,correct ?
which side is the nose of the plane shown coming into the building, on his right or left ? His right being the west
his left being east. so is it stanlys Right or left that the nose is shown ?
asicit2b 1 year ago
@asicit2b
I just got done telling you the History Channel animation was wrong.
Both in the placement of the plane, and Stanley Praimnath. ODDLY,
they got sort of mirror image, with the plane banking LEVEL in the video.
The Plane should have been on Stanley's LEFT, but it's NOT very
dramatic that way, is it?
The NIST/NTSB animation of the WTC 1 impact was correct.
The NIST/NTSB animation of the WTC 2 impact was correct.
The NIST/NTSB animation of the Pentagon Impact was correct.
Merlin5x5 1 year ago
@Merlin5x5 I asked for you to show IF a "hijacker" could fly like this using the GIVEN flight data You referred me to
a worthless video that proves nothing. Then I asked if you had anything better. You referred me to the History Channel
The History channel could not even keep stanlys "story" straight, So I declined. DO you have anything better ?
asicit2b 1 year ago
@asicit2b
I referred you to the History channel special because they have the NTSB video.
You were supposed to be looking at the control inputs the NTSB videos show.
ANYONE who looks at the actual control movements knows that this attack
was a walk in the park. Contrary to conspiracist BULLSHIT, there were NO
fast or tight turns, no extreme control yoke movement, no extreme throttle
excursions. It's all right there in the NTSB video.
Isn't that EXACTLY what you asked?
Merlin5x5 1 year ago
@Merlin5x5 The History Channel has proven to be wrong. Do you have anything better ?
asicit2b 1 year ago
@asicit2b
Actually, the History Channel was telling the story of Stanley Praimnath,
NOT the WTC 2 attack plane. It's VERY accurate when it comes to Stanley.
MUCH More accurate than YOU, for instance.
AND, you are IGNORING My careful analysis completely, as usual.
At +2 Seconds, the plane was at least 1500 FEET away, and at least
2 seconds of descent LOWER than 400 feet. At the 3.7 degree slope the
757, that would place him about 100 FEET high over the pentagon lawn.
Everything matches.
Merlin5x5 1 year ago
@Merlin5x5 O.k. End of conversation from me. I do not agree.
asicit2b 1 year ago
@Merlin5x5 So have we determined that the data shows the plane about 400 ft. high 1.5 seconds or 1,100
feet away is this correct ?
asicit2b 1 year ago
@asicit2b
I mean, if you want, look at ALL the NTSB data and reports HERE.
It's been public for 3 Years. = ntsb. gov/ info/ foia_fri. htm
ALL the flight tracks and TIME lines agreee.
NO "inside job" nonsense is even physically possible.
Merlin5x5 1 year ago
dude.. its was 9/11... the 11th of september :P and hani hanjour was a hijacker
Bakuneon 1 year ago
@Bakuneon I know. I just sometimes get confused because here in Scandinavia our syntax marking the dates is bit different... I am all too lazy to edit the video. So I let the misinformation reflect my stupidity :)
v01i0 1 year ago
@v01i0 whoa, i said that only a week ago!?#? it felt like a mnth
Bakuneon 1 year ago
Hey Video guy, YOU'RE AN IDIOT, the ACTUAl terroists used the AUTOPILOT for all but 8 minutes, and for 5 of THOSE minutes, flew straight and level.
You fail, you looked up the flight path, but not the facts about the flight itself.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim Okay, if that makes me an idiot, I wonder what your comment makes you?
v01i0 1 year ago
@v01i0
Moe informed then you.
Hani Hanjour by the way, WAS a professional, by virtue of having a Commercial license, and a multi-engine rating.
That's mandatory 250 hours flight time in either a simulator or an actual multi-engine airplane, and I'm willing to bet he had more hours than that.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
so it's easy to fly 5 feet off the ground
fliop5 1 year ago
what airport did you takeoff?
traineepilot57 2 years ago
@traineepilot57
From Dulles airport.
v01i0 2 years ago
thanks
traineepilot57 2 years ago
it should 11 September, not 9 September
fcbayern4everNo1 2 years ago
@fcbayern4everNo1
Yea, You're right. 11, not 9.
v01i0 2 years ago
All the people that believe these STUPID RIDICULOUS conspiracy theories should consult the families of the dead. You tell THEM that their family members were killed whilst riding inside a missile.
GMuzicc 2 years ago
Many of these families believe in conspiracy theories. I remember man who shouted that the government killed his son.
PreczZeZdrada 2 years ago
The thing you have to remember is that Hani take over at 35,000 ft. He has no idea where he is. How is even going to acquire his target. The idea that Hanjor managed to fly this aircraft into the pentagon is a Fairy tale. A Fairy tale.
Nickalispicalis 2 years ago
Excluding the fairies, it is highly propable that it is a tale.
v01i0 2 years ago
ah hum, he had his FAA commercial license!!
One thing you twoofers forget is this. The easiest thing anyone can do with an aircraft is crash it!! I could do it, you could do it....my fucking dog could do it.
The difficulty is taking off and landing....crashing is a piece of piss.......
truthersRdumb 2 years ago
@Nickalispicalis
He had a perfectly good autopilot, which records shows he used for all but 8 minutes of the flight, and then for 5 of those minutes he flew straight and level.
The only "fairy tale" here is that, since you know nothing about aviation or the flight data, is your own theory.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim how do you know the flight data that you believe is actually real is? Did you study the data from the box yourself? Or are you just blindly taking it as fact?
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
Yes, and I even have pictures of the FDR itself, and it looks just like how it's supposed to, a fairchild data recorder messed the F*Ck up.
But pal, you're argueing a moot point, the Truth movement AGREES Flight 77 crashed there, go here, just get rid of the "()" and keep the "." :
911research(.)wtc7(.)net/essays/pentagontrap(.)html
If you want to fall for this "trap" as the truthers say, be my guest.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim So you actually personally took data from the Blackbox yourself you took it directly from the black box?? with your own hands?? You did that? Right and you were probably there when JFK was shot huh? Oh man How could I have doubted you?
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
No,I didn't do that, and I don't need to, as unlike you, I trust the NTSB, as everything they claim is consistent with everything else.
And again, your arguement was defeated, because you're argueing what the Truth Movement calls a "non-theory", something EASILY discredited, and which throws doubt onto their entire cause.
By continuing this cherade, your helping me, thanks for that. B)
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim your pathetic dude whats amazing is your lazy and gullible and you find it comforting "I trust the NTSB" they're claims are consistent Im sure the Nazis claims that Jews were just being held prisoner could be found consistent, Tobacco companies can show you statistics that prove tobacco doesnt kill people, why would they allow that they're consumers would be dying. But believe everything you hear...
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
Uh, no, the NTSB is consistent with what was found, and the ATC tracking information, the ASCE Building report, the 3rd party analysis by Purdue University, and even what I saw myself, since I'm FROM D.C., and the people I know who were there when the plane hit.
I don't just believe "everything I hear", unlike you, I actually saw the scene in question and I DO trust my eyes, and the witnesses I know.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim
And let me just point it out again, TRUTHERS say you're not only wrong, you've fallen for a trap:
911research(.)wtc7(.)net/essays/pentagontrap(.)html
And in their own "3rd party investigation", they even collected evidence themselves proving WHY you are wrong:
911research(.)wtc7(.)net/essays/pentagon/index(.)html
When your OWN side is against you, that's usually an indication that something is not quite right with what you're saying.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim So you saw what hundreds of videos and pictures from credible journalists fail to show, you saw the engine parts, the other debris from the aircraft? You saw all these things? Hell i bet you were the guy who found the Passport that was preserved at ground zero with a perfect picture of the supposed terrorist.
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
You are full of shit.
The WTC passport was found beside the bag it was inside.
The WTC passport was surrounded by the PAPER that flew
around after the impact. IF thousands of tons of paper could
survive, why would a leather passport be destroyed?
Merlin5x5 1 year ago
@Merlin5x5 First of all Im full of shit read the first line you wrote there its beside the bag its inside?? What the fuck? why would the leather passport be ejected at all if it was near the terrorist asshole it would have been annihilated if it was inside one of the storage compartments whats the likelyhood of the duffel bag i imagine it was in or backpack could survive intact? Its just nonsense
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeShit
Yes, Virginia, the passport was found, because it's light and
flexible like the paper beside it. MANY things get ejected in an
aircraft crash, including shoes, papers, magazines.
In fact, if you look at Truther claims for flight 93,
they claim that items from that crash ended up miles away.
Welcome to reality, nutjob.
Merlin5x5 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot why bother dude, these guys are obvious shills, you can track their vids and comments and they are all on 911 vids using the same arguments. They are sick fucks who spit on those who died on 911. They went to "debunkers" school, paid $200.00 and now know the "official " story from page to page. They troll all the vids and tell their fairytales, hoping to somehow stop the tide of people who will never let it go, who will continue for the exposure of truth.
blite13 1 year ago
@blite13
No pal, I didn't go to "debunker School to "learn the Truth, I'm a APART of the truth.
I know what happened at the Pentagon, I practically lived there for 6 years, for you people, most of you who've never even BEEN there to claim you know more than me, and the over 100 witnesses whom saw the plane crash, is a joke I will LAUGH at until the sun goes nova.
Your search for the truth is a joke, so long as you think the people WHO WERE THERE, aren't worth listening to.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
An aluminum plane can't blow holes through the penatgon.The original hole was at the most 20' diameter.Rag tag cave boy made manuevers that expert pilots have testified they could never make themselves.Auto pilot does not make those manuevers. It wasn't even the enterance hole that was making the fire, there was some sort of container off to the right that made most of the smoke, it was all smoke and mirrors. They even claim to have matched all but 2 passengers DNA, where was the plane?
blite13 1 year ago
The Pentagon's facade is just a foot and a half of unreiforced and brick and limestone, an object weighing over 100 tons and moving at 180 feet per minute can pierce it, it doesn't matter what it's made of.
The hold was 16 feet, the damage however was over 90 feet across, adn there were several smaller holes all across it.
And yes Auto pilot DOES turn a PLANE. When he got to the general area he turned it off, and made a 330 degree turn at a turn rate between 30 and 45 degrees, not hard.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
Along with the turn, he decended at a rate of 3500 feet per minute, which is standard, not difficult.
If you don't know anything about flying, then shut up.
All he had to know, was where the autopilot and the Transcierver was, the rest was dead reckoning and keeping the turn coordinator in the middle, by passing the part 121 exam, he would known how to do all of that and more.
I'm going to tell you one more time, go here:
911research(.)wtc7(.)net/essays/pentagontrap(.)html
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim I don't need to know anything about flying, i'm going by the testimony of an instructor who flew with Hanjor. I'm going by the testimony of former airline and military pilots who say it would be impossible for Hanjor to fly that plane into the side of the pentagon. I don't go by the governments account because they have something to hide, obviously.I won't go by your account because you are an obvious shill. He wouldn't have been able to keep the TC in the middle with those manuevers
blite13 1 year ago
@blite13
Oh, you mean the instructor who BACK UP the story, and says he taught Hanjour enough to do this?
He said Hani didn't know enough to fly the plane SAFELY, but tell me, what is SSAFE about crashing it into a BUILDING?
LANDING is the hardest part of flying, and Haanjour didn't have worry about that, now did he?
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@blite13
And as to a "former military pilot", I got one right here, former Italian Air Force:
911myths(.)com/Another_Expert(.)pdf
I also have the AOPA, and the Allied Pilots Association on this who fly these planes FOR A LIVING, over 30,000 of them.
They even performed their own test, they didn't find a problem.
And what "manuevers"? You don't even KNOW what you're talking about, he TURNED and DESCENDED, that's it, not hard.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@blite13
Did you do something as simple as DATE the instructor contact?
Hani Hanjour took TWI more years of instruction AFTER
the instructor you mention.
LOL
Wow, what research.
Merlin5x5 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim APART like seperate? what a jackass your right you didnt go to school, HEy I was there too...... Not really but Anyone can say that.
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
Want proof? Fine. Tell me, what section of the Pentagon was hit? They all have designations, but it's apparent news agencies didn't bother looking this up, and you won't find this on wikipedia either, it's only if you've been there, or know someone who has.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
Oh and lets not forget YOUR OWN SIDE says you're wrong, and lists out the reasons why:
911research(.)wtc7(.)net/essays/pentagontrap(.)html
Their evidence is also rather absolute, you can't get past it I'm afraid:
911research(.)wtc7(.)net/essays/pentagon/index(.)html
I don't have to debunk you, the Truth movement itself did that years ago.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim Your side says you love giving handjobs look at that I can say anything too WHOOOO YOU FAIL
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
No you, fail, because your side REALLY DOES say you're wrong, and unlike you, they give the evidence to rpove it.
Don't get me wrong, they still suggest the Government had something to do with it, from remote control to false flag attacks of some sort, but they admit it was Flight 77 that crashed there.
And that alone, makes them more credible to me than you, you deny the truth, they admit it while questioning it.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim how exactly am I on any side? if those guys are saying something i dont agree with than how are you grouping me with them? Your, in my honest opinion, a giant retard and i think that you like boys like young boys.
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
They're truthers, they're 1,000s of them, and you are only you.
They present the evidence, and give arguements as best they can, you just yell at people and insult them for not agreeing with you.
They have logic, you're in denial, and the fact you've decided to insult me, the messenger, instead of picking apart why THEY say Flight 77 crashed there, proves you know too little to be talking about this.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim Talk about a waking Contradiction eh?
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
Talk about you proving you've lost the arguement.
Answer me this, the object in the video is CLEARLY over 140 feet long, there is no missile in existence that large, and even if there was, the warhead on such a thing would have destroyed the entire wedge, if not the entire building.
There is also no military aircraft that large, except cargo aircraft which are too slow and different in their design to be mistaken for airliners by experienced pilots, your answer?
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim I think you clicked the wrong guy to reply to what video?
THE BOEING 707 OR E6-MERCURY, IN ITS MODIFIED MILITARY FORM, a large plane not unlike a commercial airplane used as a mobile command center.
Your Answer after you google the authenticity of this?
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
Yes, it doesn't work, 707 have four engines, guess how many 757s have (answer: TWO)? And that's not the only KEENLY obvious design difference either.
And the witnesses were veteran Civilian Airline pilots, for decades the 707 was the only model we flew, they could it make it out in a glance, military or otherwise, it doesn't matter, the design was not radically changed, but it would of had to in order to have WINDOWS, as witnesses state they saw.
Fail.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim Yeah because painting things that look like windows is so difficult, theres a business in my town that gets paid a shit load to make a brick wall look like a storefront. And at a glance it looks like a store front. And dude seriously how difficult would it be to buy an airplane? Rockstars do it all the time look at Led Zeppelin and the Starship.
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
To buy an Airliner? Most are leased now-a-days, because out-right pruchase makes little sense, that includes those Rock Bands, they largely get operating leases, they don't own them.
Because of this, Boeing and the financial companies who own them keep a steady tab on where their airframes are... I'm afraid you lose again.
If we were talking about a small Cessna or Piper Cub, maybe, but not aircraft of this size.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim OH
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim There is also no military aircraft that large, except cargo aircraft which are too slow and different in their design to be mistaken for airliners by experienced pilots, your answer? + boeing 707= YOU FAIL haha
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
You fail yes, it's too different in it's design, because it has FOUR ENGINES, 757's have TWO, and are SMALLER.
FAIL.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim Look up Air force Two and look up the C-32B Which is believe it or not a 757..... .BUM BUM BUM But im just crazy BUM BUM BUM
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
Yes, you are.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim Man you shouldn't be talking about this if you dont have all the information..... God that sounds eerily familiar...
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
I may not have all the information, but I clearly have more of it than you do, it actually has something to do with my major being in aviation.
And what do you know, the truth movement itself agrees with me, and debunks you.
I have evidence, the witnesses, and even indendent analysis, all on my side, you ahve... what exactly? Ah yes, your "suspicion".Good luck with that.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim Thanks, Look I understand if you lost someone that you loved in this attack, im sorry for your loss and for that of your friends, but for a person not to show suspicion over an act that has spawned an Illegal war in Iraq, responsible for the deaths of over 4000 iraqi's civilians for what?? WMD's, People responsible for 9/11 NO. Why would they do it than? Obviously for Profit which is wrong no matter how you cut it. And if they can kill 4000 iraqis whats the difference Citizenship?
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
Uh, pal, as this guy will tell you, yes power systems gained something from this, not just here, but all over the world, does that mean they did this? No.
/watch?v=TwZ-vIaW6Bc
And there was NO profit, not even now, you know Haliburton? They've pulled OUT OF Iraq, they left their subsidary whom manages the contracts for that work to fend for ITSELF, the oil fields don't even pay for themselves, much less the war.
Your "explanations" are as cliched as they are wrong.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim how are they wrong?
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim
Look, I'm not going to ask you to abandon your "crusade for the truth", just admit it was Flight 77 that crashed there, and I'll leave you alone.
These truthers say it was:
911research(.)wtc7(.)net/essays/pentagon/index(.)html
and yet they ALSO say the Government was still somehow responsible for it crashing there, so just stop with this charade, there's no point, all you're doing is denying a given fact everyone agrees on.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim NEVER HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim and not everyone agrees on it, like evolution, I believe in evolution even though an ass load of people dont agree because of they're religious bias and they can give you proof all day long, I like to think your closeness to the pentagon and its employees has created a Bias in you. And thats another reason I take what you say very lightly, like i'm sure you take mine, not losing any sleep over it. I like you dont want you to abandon your belief I just want people to think. not go baa
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
The problem for you is, all the evidence is not yours, you're the Bible-thumping fundamentalists here, you continue to argue while the scale of evidence continues to stack against you.
Mine is not a "belief", I lived in D.C., I'am trained in how aviation in secueirty, and I know what went wrong on 9/11, and it makes far more sense than you're suggestion of technolgoy we haven't even perfected NOW, much less 9 years ago.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim And where exactly did you find in anything I said that I read the Bible? Im about as agnostic as a person can get, I am often found discussing the rediculousness of the Bible and how its used as a factual account of history. Its nonsense its a good book with good stories but they're just stories.
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
I didn't say you read the bible, I was extending your own metaphor about evolution, and in this case, you're the stubborn fundamentalist, you believe what you do despite all the evidence contradicting you, and even people on your own side telling you you're wrong.
... You're literal mindset is probably why you believe this crap to begin with.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim First of All your like one of the bigges liars i've ever had the luck to come accross you seriously make things up about me in an effor to discredit my character instead of the topic, you are common garbage, anything I do is in an effort for someone to look up the topic and find out for themselves, I have never said this happened or this happened I only hint at possibilites, You're literal mindset is probably why you...... I believe your last sentence is you talking about yourself
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
How am I garbage, when you're own side says you've fallen for a trap, something that only DISCREDITS, the ENTIRE truth movement? I'm not lying, see for yourself:
911research(.)wtc7(.)net/essays/pentagontrap(.)html
If you cannot defeat your own side's arguement against you, then once again, you fail. This has nothing to do with character, the simple facts on this are against you.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim
And I have not lied here, Halliburton does not typcially deal in nuclear material, it's not their forte, that was likely a side-job to something else.
They're a multi-10s-Billion dollar company, and we're talking about a couple million deal here, you honestly think this constitutes even a sizable minority of their profits? Don't make me laugh.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim Why did we go to Iraq, WMD's what did Cheney sell to some asshole a couple thousand miles away from him, Shit that could detonate WMD's. Saddam Hussein: "I wonder how much money that guy would take for those Detonars" BUT its nothing they're completely unrelated. Because people wouldnt sell those kinds of things to saddam hussein who'd be that crazy..... Or greedy... See what Im saying by taking things way out of context, never once did I state that this has anything to do for profit
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
Why did we go to Iraq? Simple.
The CIA screwed up with 9/11, they knew, the rest of the intelligence community knew it, and it's why they were upsurped from being on top of that community, to just one of the other peons, and thus they were trying to make themselves look like they were on the ball again.
So when scientists in Iraq were making claims to their lovable dictator that the weapons they were trying to develop for him were going as planned, they believed them.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim your garbage because you try to use half truths as whole ones taking things completely out of context to extremes, and you dont think people see right through you, again with this "Your Side" we resolved this already If I dont agree with someone you'd have to be retarded to group me with them, Are you Retarded? I hope not that would be depressing. Did i bash you when i proved 757's were use in the military, contradicting your statements of no big military aircraft NO cause thats low.
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
Stop attacking me, and start attacking the evidence, or you might as well admit you were wrong...
And you idiot, 757s are not used in the Military, I contradicted nothing. How many times do I have to tell you? 707s HAVE FOUR ENGINES, 757s HAVE TWO, and they are SMALLER.
It is JUST as I said, their design is DIFFERENT, you fail again.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim What kind of designation do you think C-32b is not military? C-32b is a 757. They're used by the U.S. Air Force I guess they're not part of the Military anymore.
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot Shit the New Zeland air force has a C-32 I mean shit dude what more do you want?
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot HAHA so does mexico
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
What do I want? Someone who knows what they're talking about.
A 757 cannot just go missing, and you're insisting two dissapeared on the same day, instead of just the one.
Your plan lacks practicality, really, why not just use Flight 77 itself and be done with it? You're overcomplicating it all by insisting there was another plane.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim
Planes go missing on radar all the time. RETARD
how about the plane that went missing for an hour when the pilots fell asleep 8 months ago.
research shit before you make up shit RETARD, or sign up to the military so you know how America works RETARD
taledarkside 1 year ago
@taledarkside
No no, not radar, MISSING, COMPETELY missing, planes of this size cannot disspear like that, and no one notices, especially not planes of this make.
And I'm not talking about just any Beoing, it HAD to be a 757, the debris is absolute.
The Airforce has ONLY one, and it's still flying, so OBVIOUSLY, they didn't do this.
From my count, they didn't even have this plane on 2001, they were still using C-135Bs for its role.
And which side are you exactly? I'm confused.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
They are what you call the Air Force Twos, they are used to transport U.S. VIPs, and there are exactly 4 of them in our inventory.
You fail again.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim
Oh wait, the C-32B?
Well if that's the case, I suppose you won't find any pictures or video of it flying post-9/11, as there was ONLY ONE BUILT, but I've already found that:
/watch?v=85fr9OIEwt0
Pal, looking to exceptions has its drawbacks, and you've just buried yourself with them.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim
Boeing planes are used in the military retard. Let me know how many years you served in the airforce
taledarkside 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
You've lost, because you've refused to familiarize yourself with your topic, and because you don't have a single expert opinion to your credit, all scholars are against you on this one.
Thus, your intent to make people "think", is ill-felt, when you're not doing so yourself.
You don't know how planes are managed, you're not familiar with the history of aircraft crashes, you've never even been to the scene, and yet you claim to be closer to the truth than I? How amusing.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim Where exactly have I said that im closer to the truth than you? Look back through all of it and find that than show me. Otherwise your words are false. False words equal lies. You dont want to be a liar do you?
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
That's what you're insisting on.
Now admit Flight 77 crashed here, and we can be done with this, if you had any evidence to the contrary, you would have posted it by now.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim No Im insisting that some sinister shit went down and there are alot of people who could benefit and alot of people who have benefited LIKE BLACKWATER these guys are now the largest Private Military Force in the WORLD right here in America, these guys get the No-bid Contracts from the government, and one day these guys will probably be the ones who take over security as a whole in this country or when the North American Union destroys our constitution
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
I don't care what you're "insisting", the evidence is against you.
The entire economy tanked thanks to 9/11, entire industries fell apart, the airlines for example have gone bankrupt one after the other. Other companies, and the Government, lost trillions in assets, there was no advantage, and even if there was, it could have been done with a far smaller oepration that didn't rely on bleeding edge technology, 1,000s of people keeping their mouths shut....
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim
killing 1,000s of Americans, or the compituatlion of agencies whom hate working together.
You have no claim to PRACTICALITY here, nor any obvious gains that would tip against what we lost, the oil wasn't worth this, entire reason we want oil is to AVOID economic collaspe, not entice it.
If you can't spin this with logic, and real-world concerns, then your theory fails.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim dude if your alright with the deaths of over 4000 people just trying to live their lives in their own country, so that few can make a dollar your a sick guy. And just because some assholes in another country dont mind being war-profiteer's DOESNT mean they had anything to do with it. Thats not what im saying Look up cheneys work with haliburton He has got some dirt ONE OF WHICH HAS TO DO WITH THE SALE OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS DETONATORS TO LIBYAN COLONEL QADDAFI, but its nothing.
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
Pal, you cannot win here, your explanation for why the Government would support this action, was to give money to an industry, which has been in a down-turn for the last DECADE.
You do not know how our Defense Industry works, and you accuse it while you don't know what has actually transpired.
And Haliburton does not deal in weapons, nor Nuclear Material, so your claims are only further invalidated, they are an Oil Field management company, and they're used for logistics.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim @Alaskaslim Look it up assmouth. "Halliburton pleads guilty to criminal charges of violating a U.S. ban on exports to Libya by selling Col. Qaddafi six pulse neutron generators, devices that can be used to detonate nuclear weapons.6 Halliburton pays a $3.8 million penalty to settle alleged violations of the U.S. trade ban. 7"
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot thats from a website called haliburton watch the numbers following the statements are the references. if you put one of those phrases in google you will find the website.
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
Halliburton watch:
halliburtonwatch(.)org/ also confirms they've given up on their contracts in Iraq, and that the Oil fields they've managed have produced nothing but losses, you fail again.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim Oh but your claims of no dealing with anything but oil arent false though? I guess And i never said they were getting money for Oil
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
And this relates to 9/11, how? The fact they were caught and fined is a detriment to your theory, not a supporting factor.
Fail.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim And have you not heard of Ballistic Missles especially Quasi-Ballistic Missles, most of these ballistic missles are approximately 30 meters which is near 100 feet And there are different kinds of missle warheads some are Kinetic energy warheads just relying on the energy of the impact for destruction of target
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
Yeah pal, you're talking about the SABOT kinetic penetrators, and here's the problem... they're fired from tanks, they aren't missiles, and they aren't that big.
You clearly aren't familiar with this technology, so I'll clue you in, Ballistic missiles have explosive warheads, whether you're talking about the old Atlas, to the Russian SCUDS, to present day cruise missiles, they all have warheads.
And the reason is, explosives travel, kinetic though loses energy over time.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
And still yet, We aren't talking about near 100 feet, the object is over 140 feet, larger than your "Quasi-ballistic missiles" which the U.S. doesn't even have in its inventory, that's a Russian/Chinese thing, so your theory is still invalid, even if your misunderstanding of the technology didn't make it that way.
It is over 140 feet in length, that is undisputable, either adapt your theory to that fact, or drop it.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@blite13
Oh and one more thing, Your side DID let it go, it ADMITS Flight 77 crashed here:
911research(.)wtc7(.)net/essays/pentagontrap(.)html
Can't ignore the evidence I'm afraid.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
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@Merlin5x5 "The WTC passport was surrounded by the PAPER that flew
around after the impact. IF thousands of tons of paper could
survive, why would a leather passport be destroyed?" Are you saying the hijacked
airplane was packed with with thousands of ton of paper? Where did you get that
information?
roxxphatcox 1 year ago
I've seen the site MYSELF, I practically lived at the Pentagon for 6 years, and on top of that YES, I HAVE seen the pictures, I'm thinking you haven't, otherwise you would know you're arguement is moot.
Engine parts? Right here, matched to those from the Rolls-Royce engines 757-200s are known to use:
aerospaceweb(.)org/question/conspiracy/pentagon/rb211-pentagon(.)jpg
Other debris? How about the wheels, ALSO matched to 757-200s?
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
And I have the picture of that passport, your point? It's burned, the name is hard to make out, but it's clearly one of theirs. And the fact they found it is pretty typical for airplane crashes, I can show you another passport from Flight 191, or Flight 93, you really don't know what people tend to find at airliner crashes, do you?
If you don't know the history of this topic, how can you claim this doesn't add up? Well, it's moot, you're own side even admit this is foolish, so you're done.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim Okay so Of all the peoples passports in the airplane the one that survives are the ones that positively identify the so called terrorists? How convenient. The theory that the jet fuel weakened the steel with high temps of fire crashing through steel beams and weak walls but this passpot managed to slip out amazing I wonder what the odds would be of it ever happening again like that the numbers are probably astronomical
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
How convenient you didn't actually look this evidence over.
It was just one passport from terrorists, and yes passports from the other passengers survived as well. No conveniency, just you being ignorant.
"Fire weakning steel", I'm not talking about the Towers, this is STRICTLY about Flight 77, want to talk about the Towers? Go to one of THEIR videos.
The Pentagon is only a few stories high, the odds were rather good, you fail.
Alaskaslim 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim Oh i guess because there wasnt steel beams that the jet fuel couldn't have ignited...... .. . . ... . ... .
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@Alaskaslim and you spelled "cherade" wrong theres an a were your first e should be, and that rhymed.
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@Nickalispicalis
I just read your stupid comment from 8 months ago.
Are you seriously asking how someone would find the capital flying from Dulles?
How about turning east, toward the morning sun?
Then following the freeways?
An untrained monkey could do it, or even you!
The untrained monkey has a better chance though.
Merlin5x5 1 year ago
@Merlin5x5 And Merlin your stupid..... See that doesnt prove anything does it? How good are your eyes cause I dont think an eagle flying at even 10,000 feet can see distinguishable landmarks, now i dont know im not an optometrist or a scientist but what I do know is that it seems strange that they government would hide the footage and then release only five frames that "show" a plane hit the pentagon. Because the Pentagon only has one camera thats only a touch better than the 7-11 camera......
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
DO YOU EVER FLY in an airplane?
Yeah, I can see freeways and rivers FROM CRUISE ALTITUDE.
Specially since FLT 77's Hijackers turned off their transponder
and dived to under 2000 FT inside the first 3 minutes they had
control of the airplane. And I believe the SUN is visible there too.
LOL, it's TWO cams released, Moron, and a boeing 757 (780 fps)
flies about 26 FT in EVERY video frame.
Merlin5x5 1 year ago
@Merlin5x5 Why would they hold the evidence of this? and then release only five frames?
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@Merlin5x5 no i usually do a fair amount of sittin in an airplane i let the plane do the flying.... moron.... haha i just had to do the moron thing cause its your second favorite word next to, Double-Ender.
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
What did you expect, a christmas card of the
Hijackers waving from every window?
Seriously, are you SO STUPID that you believe a VIDEO CAM can take
a clear, upclose pic of a 580 mph Jet? You can't even take a clear pic
of a 250 mph Nascar race car with a video cam close up.
LOL
BTW, it's TWO parking lot cams, and SIX frames of video, three from
each one.
Merlin5x5 1 year ago
@Merlin5x5 Im not asking for a clear picture assmouth what im asking is why would they KEEP THE FOOTAGE FROM THE PUBLIC AND LATER RELEASE ONLY A FEW FRAMES???? What happened to the other cameras?? the dozen or so in the building or the dozen or so Outside the building?? or the footage taken from the Gas station close to the pentagon??
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
Because EVERY investigation owns it's evidence.
IF your car happens to be parked near a crime, they WILL
impound it, just to look for POSSIBLE fingerprints.
As for all those CAMs, they don't exist, moron.
There were only THREE CAMs on the Pentagon, and
TWO parking lot CAMs, every other video is from 10 times
farther away, on the WRONG side of elevated freeways.
Did you ever look at a Pentagon map?
Merlin5x5 1 year ago
@Merlin5x5 If they had no reason to suspect no more foul play than what had happened why wouldnt they just go here it is people this just proves what we said not wait 5 years and than go heres the footage that we've had that proves what we said five years ago
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
@CptSmokeAlot
Would you please address MY post in a thing called a reply
before moving on to the NEXT bullshit?
The FBI impounded ANY nearby tape because they are
supposed to, it's the law, whether it's useful or not.
The other video cams were NOT pointed toward the sky,
and they were 10 times farther away.
Address that, please.
Merlin5x5 1 year ago
@Merlin5x5 Do you honestly think that The Pentagon is going to release information about all the cameras they have in the facility???? ITS THE PENTAGON ASS and first of all who gives a shit about how many cameras you think they have its a mundane detail, the truth is they would have alot of cameras in the Pentagon I wouldnt be surprised if there wasnt one watching you take a shit.
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
Merlin5x5 1 year ago
@Merlin5x5 Man I hope spies and terrorists dont get on Google that could be disasterous
CptSmokeAlot 1 year ago
Nice, I tried many times on flight sim to do the same thing & missed about 8 of 10 times. Probably alot harder in real life. I didn't believe the missile thery at first but it makes more sence everyday. If it realy was a plane there would be no missile thery. Nice vid & I like the filter.
gaotu 2 years ago
I dont have a flight sim with a 747, but I do have 1 with an F-16. I used that and got an easy crash into the pentagon. Those terrorists knew how to fly the planes they used. They weren't rookies
Speirs248 2 years ago
My grandmother was on flight 77. Her body was recovered at the rubble of the Pentagon. Your conspiracy theories are ridiculous!!!
mariuspunk 2 years ago 2
my brother was on flight 77.
sadakokid45 2 years ago
But there was no plane. Ridiculous? The evidence dosen't back the story.Sorry.
I am sorry for your grandmother though.
jiminiflix 2 years ago
you fail by using default ATC in flight simulator nobody uses that they use VATSIM
pilotmancoa1219 2 years ago
No No No, nice try buddy. You were supposed to SKIM across the front lawn flat and level 5-6 ft off the ground, crash between the ground and 1st/2nd floors with robotic precision just like the security cam shows.
You were at an angle and barely about to clip the pentagon with your right wing. So YOU FAILED.
XCaliber40 2 years ago
well no-one is going to be able to re-enact it One Hundred percent perfect dude.... and anyway, its a game, and the physics mightn't b spot on, so plane may crash even if it dosent touch the ground
sonicfan1996 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
is this to prove that it was a terrorist or what? cos comparing real life to a simulator just doesnt cut it
Kiefty 3 years ago
In flight sim, provided that the realism is at the default setting, it is realitively easy to do a qraudrople barrel roll backflip fronflip double sidewinder at 500+ mph.
DMWestWoodElite 3 years ago
Great, now try doin this in real life.
DMWestWoodElite 3 years ago
dont use that filter ever again. its annoying
bto4 3 years ago
What is annoying for another, is pleasant for some other. I will use that filter everytime I like to :) But who knows, maybe I won't use it ever again.
v01i0 3 years ago
He is right, it's not the right context to use that filter in, it ruins the video.
SlightyDisturbedNBK 2 years ago
Nice sim. Better fly a missile next time ... ;-)
throttlelever 3 years ago
far from being "notoriously poor" Hanjour had an ATP license. The largest concen instructors had with his ATP was Hanjour spoke very poor English.
English, being the "official language" of aviation, it is required that all ATP pilots be fluent, understand, and be understandable in English.
EdgemanLL2 4 years ago
Hey dude, all pilots have licenses, they cannot be "pilots" without a licence? So every licenced pilot is either poor or good (or intermediate?). Yeah, to not control aviation language, pilot is automaticly bad, no?
v01i0 3 years ago
2levelheaded: You've just made a logical mistake. It's called the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy. Google it.
ed26h 4 years ago
Nice try buddy. Better luck next time. For one, according to the FDR recovered by the NTSB, the plane started it's 330 degree spiral at 7000 ft. Secondly, your last image shows the jet about equal if not above the Pentagon. According to the FDR and the release security footage, the jet was skimming just above the ground.
2levelheaded 4 years ago
what happend two the black box
THEDOCTER123 4 years ago