Richard Stallman (as St IGNUcius) : Emacs vs Vi

[DoctorComputer]

I would appreciate rms a lot more if he took himself less seriously and did more goofy stuff like this :-)

[merkur32123]

I use FreeBSD, and i text edit with vi. St. Ignucius sure must hate me. :/

[87solarsky]

THIS is DANGEROUS ;-)

[numba1netsfan]

vim is simple and sweet and I use it more then emacs. But seriously emacs is way more powerful if you know LISP.

[Qualia]

@numba1netsfan Could you elaborate on why you say so?

[Qualia]

@numba1netsfan Could you elaborate on why you say so?

[vibol03]

lmao i thought that was a turban

[bharat101976]

A genius and motivator.

How it would be felt '_being_rms_'

Amazing

[TheFreeHackerSpirit]

The last of true MIT hackers. Always remember to share !

[Palunon]

@TheFreeHackerSpirit Not the last, but the last well known.

[AJenbo]

@Excelsoft wholly

[Kaio1979]

This man should be given the Noble Peace Prize, (or its according equivalent) for his contributions to humanity. I just cannot believe how the hell they don't see it or may be they don't want to see it. (Stablishment, Status Quo, Imperialism, UltraCapitalism, etc)

Anyhow, his words will be remembered and quoted, in hundreds of years to come, of that i'm sure.

Dr. Stallman, you already won the "global comunity" award. The world thanks, salutes, and loves you!!

[NasherDezno]

I am all for free software, but funny enough every piece of open source software I use just is not good enough to compete with the software I pay for. Is that a fault of Open Source, or is it just that I am unwilling to give up features for the sake of "community"?

[purg4t0r1]

@NasherDezno Since this video is about Emacs and Vi, I'd like to know what piece of commercial software you would put forward as being a better IDE/editor than either of these two applications. If there was a better editor than Emacs out there, and it ran on *BSD, I'd be more than happy to pay to use it.

[Kariddi]

@NasherDezno Saying the definition "Open Source" in front of Richard Stallman would result in him slapping you in the face

[mfraggin]

One of the few examples of moral purity in software. I use Vim, but learning Lisp now makes Emacs tempting.... :-)

[poojkhgf]

well I could be persuaded to go to church if he was running it, LOL

[theimpeccabledude]

I guess at his level, some of his actions are justified. The guy is software genius.

[ratfoot]

Name one good reason to use Linux, oh wait there isn't one.

[gundambob646]

@ratfoot managing large or small databases, flexibility of the code,

[erikig]

vi vi vi is the editor of the beast

: ^ )

[Flazard]

I hope all of you realize this is a joke.

[Matmunk]

Is Emacs Notepad for Linux????

[yamamushi]

@Matmunk No, Emacs is a great operating system with a terrible text editor

[Matmunk]

@yamamushi What is an operating system? Is that like Windows?

[iBlindGame]

@Matmunk If you are on windows, you can find a version: Google for "emacs for windows"

If you are on a mac, just type "emacs" from the console.

[Membrane556]

I usually use mcedit or vi.

[cozmoz365]

Why are all neckbeards so delusional?

[ratfoot]

Typical Linuxfags

[lowtone10]

i use nano - im such a noob :)

[artcancro]

I'm so happy that my Linux operating system has the vi editor.

[Yownanymous]

Holy fuck. This guy actually believes his own propaganda.

[iBlindGame]

@Yownanymous This guy is a "genius award" (MacArthur Award) winner for good reason. Calling him stupid might be a sign of "psychological projection." (Look it up.)

[Yownanymous]

@iBlindGame Did I explicitly call him stupid? No, I did not. But he's fucking deranged, and so are all his fanboys. This is the same nut that thinks paedophilia isn't damaging to children.

[M4TM777]

@Yownanymous You shouldnt call an idealist a "nut". Would you call Gandhi a "nut" or compare him to a pervert? Man, you are the one who is fucking deranged.

[SaschaHeylik]

Thumbs up if you use Vim.

[rufiao]

and that's why i use vi

[GroovyMango]

Day by day  to work on servers, I prefere Vi but for developping I use Emacs.

[ChronicMetamorphosis]

3:06 - Don't you mean Copyleft?

[Lunarll]

As much as I disagree with some of rms ideas... this was pretty funny. XD

[swdevbali]

:)) I love this

[valerietto0]

he gets all pussy

[Hermoor]

retarded american

[mdostay]

"The church of emacs doesn't require celibacy". I love his work, been using GNU tools for 15+ years, but I ask - when was the last time Stallman got laid!

[rabidmachine9]

there is no system but GNU and linux is one of it's kernels!

[jgilb100]

i am sinful, i boot arch with it's proprietary binary blobs :P

meh i use nano

[ecconz]

Doesn't require celibacy? I'm pretty sure it forces you into a life of celibacy, you fat fucking loser. Computers are a tool, not a life.

[supercoolguyT]

I'm curious to know what were on that halo in its previous life.

[elfirebrand]

ajjajajajaj, this man is da shit!

[megamarsvin]

You don't have to take a vow of celibacy to work here, but you might as well ;D

[mrmartinmartin]

He's off his nut, I love him.

[S2333]

He must do this at every talk because he did it at his Perth talk that was only 3 weeks ago.

[JosephSmithUK]

anyone watching this video on youtube cannot into sainthood

[wuIfsheImut]

He also eats shit from his feet. This guy is fucking mentally ill. I would not listen to shit he says. LOL

[DukeNavarre]

As an Emacs user, I no longer feel qualified to consider anyone else's interests as silly.

[commodore256]

1:00

Church of Emacs blasphemy: "There is no system but Windows and NT is one of it's kernels."

[tylerchambers0]

he's finally lost it.

[geeraija]

What an asshole.

[thomasey2]

Super cool !

[YaroKasear]

@martelkorno - Indeed. That doesn't automatically make Linux the GNU kernel, though.

That's like saying everything you make in Word is Microsoft's.

Compiling something with GCC doesn't make something GNU. And today we don't even need GCC specifically to build Linux, and frankly, Linus actually had other options than GCC to build Linux with even back in 1991. GCC wasn't the only C compiler then, and it sure as heck wasn't the only free one.

Care to try again with other disproven bullshit?

[drsorrow]

@YaroKasear Stallman is such a pompous ass. I like your comments. Also if every software that is made was free, I bet 99% of people that were watching this video wouldn't have a job. This whole concept of "free software" is such a utopian bullsh*t

[YaroKasear]

@drsorrow - Hey whoa, I may hate Richard Stallman, but I do love open source. And the free doesn't mean "free of cost" but "free as in freedom." Plenty of people get paid to develop open source software. Plenty of companies make a tidy sum off of it. (Think: Red Hat, IBM, or Novell.)

[martelkorno]

@YaroKasear linux as a free OS would not exist without gcc.

[bytedildo]

i bet he is using microsoft word when he is home alone :P

[bootiack]

This dude should be president. awesome.

[commodore256]

@sueroski Yeah, I've done that Youtube Mplayer Userscript, but Gnash doesn't work for every piece of Flash Content that I wish to View.

I heard it's illegal to work on Gnash if you've ever used flash. It's in the EULA! (Something about reverse engineering)

I see great irony in wanting a Free/Open Source Just In Time Compiler (Gnash) to execute binaries that aren't Free/Open Source.

[becherupetruioan]

google chrome (chromium) is a religion when we never have to exit it

[iLXFill]

emacs is a lie

[TheYouuTubeRipper]

"Doesn't require celibacy" No but if you're such a *NIX nerd that you use EMACS, a sexless existence is almost a given.

[SenorMoustacho]

Bijbels is ne fag

[cr561979]

He has eaten all of Super Mario's mushrooms.

[stsaylor29]

lololololololol! :) ....

[bixiecribs]

He made it through this speech without eating any skin off his foot! Congrats.

[nickrohn93]

@bixiecribs No you just didnt notice it.

[bixiecribs]

He made it through this speech without any skin off his foot!  Congrats.

[crashoveridden98]

LOL, I bless your computer my child, RMS is the man

[dingumfCallofDuty]

He must have been raging hard at the macfags

[ClickClackClickClack]

This is horrid. He talks like he's given the speech A thousand times before.

[andjack]

@ClickClackClickClack He HAS been giving this speach many times before...

[Hermetiqa]

The end of this video is fucking retarded.

Copyright? Suuuuuuure.

[commodore256]

Update:

Screw the embeded youtube player. Flash, Gnash and HTML5 make the fan on my 2.93 Jigahertz Pentium 4 spin at 88 Miles Per Hour.

I now use a userscript that embeds mplayer, but GStreamer breaks Software patent laws. (Who ever came up with the idea of patenting math anyway?)

[KillaHaakon]

@commodore256 Someone who thought that they could make money of that?

[riotiticaca]

This guy is a proof that religion and programming are the same thing. You can obtain Nirvana just by coding.

[Yobotistan]

He's only half joking.

[ReggaeFighter]

My new religion !!!!!!!!!

[Laoch111]

This guy is a genius. GNU/Linux forever!

[commodore256]

The irony of it is... I'm using a non-free browser plugin to watch this video. (flash)

[Exdozolie]

@commodore256 Gnash...

[commodore256]

@Exdozolie Can you use Gnash for everything? No.

Gnash doesn't work with Ustream.

[Exdozolie]

@commodore256 Is this Ustream? No.

[commodore256]

@Exdozolie It's just easier to use one plugin that works with every site than to disable gnash and enable adobe flash for ustream.

[kcj1993]

And I have to use non-free drivers to use wi-fi :(

[vrok137]

@commodore256

A true emacs saint will program their own flash drivers...

[Trippenator]

@commodore256 html5 is a splendid thing :)

[commodore256]

@Trippenator What about non-free codecs? Google, Apple and Microsoft (with the upcoming ie9) support h.264 in the video tag, but only Chrome and Firefox supports ogg in html5.

[gfuggiano]

@commodore256 Irrelevant. I'm using a free one.

[tbcpuebla]

@commodore256 very ironic actually. Equally ironic is the fact that lots of users install free software/open source software without knowing that their systems' Firmware/BIOS is proprietary code that violates the free software spirit. Who is willing to replace their BIOS?

[commodore256]

@tbcpuebla lol, nobody uses coreboot.

[majesticbull]

@commodore256 I think you can watch it with Gnash.

[commodore256]

@majesticbull Using Gnash is hypocritical... Think about it.

You're using a free (as in Freedom) JIT to execute .swf Binaries that are not free.

If you're gonna use non-free Flash Apps, you might as well use it with a plugin that works the best. It doesn't matter if it's free or not, because if you're a true free software purest, you wouldn't use non-free flash apps.

So, there's no point in Gnash unless you're using PowerPC, ARM or you're using some weird OS like AmigaOS 4 or Haiku.

[daniel74f]

@commodore256 You can use Greasemonkey with the script "Youtube without Flash Auto" and your favourite video player plugin (gecko-mediaplayer most likely) without executing any Gnash.

IMO that works better than Gnash. Anyway, i think that Gnash is better than the privative plugin, because flash binaries are not installed but only executed when you watch them, and they are more like animations than real programs most times.

[Nokuaru]

@commodore256 You can imagine how I laughed with your comment.

[blutfrosch]

@commodore256 and even more ironically, the free version of flash, gnash, isn't compatible with youtube...

[youmakeitwhatitis]

@commodore256 I'm not :D

[HumanTurkey]

Becoming saints for using free software? Boy, I sure would like to have my own holiday honoring Emacs!

[martini1179]

"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels," so sayeth unto thee, St. IGNUcius.

[Taz3TheRayder]

And basically has support for almost every single programming language and ovet 26 000 different features.

Your argument is invalid.

[mekapelsin]

THAT IS A LIE!

Emacs has about everything you need and want in an full desktop system (including games).

One of these days it might even include a halfway decent text-editor.

:D

[d0n7r33dd15]

its 40mb

[andjack]

@jnkmail09 Soo, I didn't know that notepad.exe could do:

Using Net News, surf the web, write and read mail, run some games, edit files over SSH and FTP, have support for 20-30 different languages (colour and indentation), spell checking, debugging, open a termial etc etc.

[asfaqqq]

boku no pico beats both of those crap editors

[mcfiredrill]

this is no computer disk this is my halo

[ClickClackClickClack]

Oh what the hell?! 2006? The St IGNUcius joke was played out a looooong time ago.

Actually the whole GNU project has spent the last decade just maintaining the same old basic tools.

[EmperorMorbid]

Emacs is a pretty good OS. I just wish it had a decent text editor.

[TuxmanXP]

Tried Vim? :)

[TuxmanXP]

I wonder why this editor war is still a subject for RMS lectures. We all know that Vim has won. :P

[ClickClackClickClack]

RMS makes his living giving the same old talks over and over. He's got to talk about some stupid nitpick: Vi v. Emacs, GNU/Linux, Javascript is not truly free...

Sure, without him and the GNU project, there would be no Linux (but that was 1991) but without Linux's popularity, he wouldn't be a 'celebrity', and would still be trying to get HURD up and running, or something.

[TuxmanXP]

Hurd, basically, works (tried Debian/Hurd?).

[andjack]

@ClickClackClickClack He was important figure before Linus Torvalds started his Minix replacement back in 1991 in Helsinki University.

Yes, Linux IS great, I use it for all things. And he started the "release often"-philosophy, which RMS didn't do back then ("release when I'm ready")...

[Norbert2]

Richard rules (and I say that as a vim fan :)

[Rayzkevin]

notepad.exe

[kakita123]

i like nano its easy and good enouph for me at least

[ceaia2]

VI VI VI - 6 6 6 - the editor of the beast!

[diegoedv]

RMS rocks, long live Free Software, GNU and Linux.

[dwarfish]

I bet this guy gets all the chicks. I'm joking. I don't really think he gets the chicks.

[kmav81]

but its very naughty to think about it

[allseevid]

u know...i'm not sure if he can see his penis under his massive belly, not sure how this would help him to get chicks (maybe on Christmas as Santa Claus?)

i think he masturbates a lot!

[normloman]

Copyright Richard Stallman? Ok, but where is the creative commons license, that he totally would have used, had he uploaded this.

[andjack]

@normloman Would he? Have you read the GNU Document license? Debian has not accepted it as free license (ironic, as RMS demands Debian not to have the section "non-free", where parts of GNU tools is).

[rsoberond]

He is a genius. Just that

[mgt42]

this crazy dude is a amazing programmer, you know gcc ???

[Slack3r90]

This crazy dude is "the last true hacker."

[pughparkour]

because he coded an alright compiler and a terrible text editor years ago and doesn't stop whinging about free software.

[karnathin]

emacs is not a text editor.

[Aptitudescience]

"copyright: richard m stallman"

rms wouldn't copyright that :( shame on you

[andjack]

You have missunderstod GNU. It DEPENDS on copyright. Without copyright, there would not be any GNU software.

[NotASocialCommentary]

Shh, most Linux Youths are too stupid to comprehend that!

[PiratenpartijNL]

If the UK Pirate Party adopts 10-year (at least) copyright for free software source code, or a mandatory source escrow requirement for proprietary software source code, then (assuming the details are done right) this will be ok for free software. With the escrow requirement it would be very good for free software.

- Richard Stallman

[Jarassick]

@andjack

you are a moron

[andjack]

@Jarassick That was not that informative. Is it becouse you don't understand or something else?

[Jarassick]

@andjack

GNU's main purpose is to build a world without copyrighted software dipshit.

[andjack]

@Jarassick No, it's about giving the customer access to the source so he/she can modify the programs to suit there needs. Like with the printer that made RMS angry the first time.

I have been using Emacs and Gcc since before -90, seen it devellop etc. So I have seen all arguments like yours about what GNU is and isn't. Restricted copyright and no source is bad, and Patents is worse than bad.

[andjack]

@Aptitudescience He IS basing GNU on copyright. Otherwise GNU license couldn't demand that derivated works source must be available to customers. I would be the same as BSD-licens (which is like: "You have the right to do what you like with this source, but you can't blame me for using it!).

[Kaginokstaka]

heheeh RMS...so awsome.

[Andrea1251]

vi vi vi is the editor of the beast hahahhah

[hamperra]

THIS GUY IS A FUCKING IDIOT!

[Blindingraven]

Actually, this guy is a living legend.

A freedom fighter and a morale character from which all past, current and future free software foundations should base their conduct.

I'd wager you don't actually know who this is.

[babolatpdtp]

ya he spoke at my school. crazy guy but freaking awesome at the same time

[jonah1976]

Charles Manson is a living legend, that doesn't make him anything more than a sack of shit. He doesn't fight for freedom. He simply changed the definition of what freedom is. Fucking blind idiots like you are more than happy to bow down before him because you were never bright enough to think for yourself.

[Blindingraven]

He's a living l; legend is he? by who's definition?

You're a kid that obviously went without hugs.

[LightxEdge]

leg⋅end /ˈlɛdʒənd/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [lej-uhnd]

7. a person who is the center of such stories: She became a legend in her own lifetime.

The dictionary definition.

You're obviously someone who grew up judging people blindly.

[spacemooseprime]

Dude, this is Richard Stallman, not Charles Manson. What are you watching?

[roboticterror]

"freedom"

[code933k]

You must understand what people does, in which context, what they are mocking of and what's all about before judging them: Richard Strallman is a MIT graduate which fluently speaks about 4 foreign languages, is a leading figure of the free software movement in the whole world and argued to be his creator. Gives conferences around the globe and supports people who want to tear down their slavery to proprietary O.S. If that is a mental problem for you... Please consult a psychiatrist.

[pappuali]

Yeah, what a true hero, Stallman wants to bring down Bill Gates, the man who has donated more to charity than any man on the face of the earth. Stallman is just a leech who wants everything for free.

[code933k]

The way you answer lets me induce you are a 15 years old lad with problems to understand what assistentialism is. However, I forgive you son.

[pappuali]

That was a beautiful ad hominem. If condemning Gates, the world's most generous man, helps you sleep at night then by all means keep doing it and worship this buffoon who parades around promoting his cult to the world.

[code933k]

pappuali@ If you took that as an ad-hominem that's your problem, not my primary intention. Whether you understand or not that the world economy is shifting towards different paradigms (Google and so forth), that GNU software helped to slow down the economic crisis for main companies as HP, and monopolies don't contribute at all, is your business. I hope you know soon what DRM is and that quality software has nothing to do with "cults". Take care.

KEYWORDS: ASSISTENTIALISM, KILLS, PEOPLE