Love their old stuff-- I love their new stuff too(Tonight the World dies is one of my all-time FAVORITES). I'm a Sevenfold diehard- I love whatever they put forth. I'd like to add for those who are a bit confused about M's screaming, he didn't quit screaming because he couldn't--he quite cause he didn't want to. A7X foREVer!!
@DeathbatFoREVer495 thats half truth he didn't so much quit as cut back because of throat surgery to remove a blood clot from improperly screaming to much though when he does personally i think the scream sounds better now
Lol Synyster and no tatts! lol...crazy seeing his bare arms! lol...Soon after he realized is uber leetness so he went and got tatted up to to his beastly image!
Shadows could scream and sing so much better when he was younger. He still sings and screams like a beast today but he just sounds better here then he does now.
AWWWWWWWWW THEY WERE BABIES!!!! I LOVE A7X THIS IS MY ALL TIME FAV!!! i cannot get tired of it!!!!!!! Synyster looks sooo funnt like thiss!!! hes still sexy nevertheless, Johnny's hair is badass, i love how his bangs his bass... These were Zackys glorious days, eveyone loved Zacky lol!!! Shadows will always be the same.. I LOVE THEM!!! I LOVE THEM!!!!...
3:33 retards!! your looking the wrong way >.< fuck, that pisses me off. I havnt seem a7x once, but theyve been my favorite band for 7 years. Im seeing them in October, but i would much rather been to their earlier shows.. People who go and just stand there...ugh it pisses me off soo much. You guys dont deserve to see such perfection if your not going to enjoy it .___.
@a7xfan66 back in 2003 when this was recorded, a7x wasn't nearly as big or well known. And they were far from perfection. They sounded amazing nonetheless
this is one of the best versions of this song i've seen. Why don't they perform the song like this anymore? This matches, if not surpasses, the studio version :)
You idiots need to realize that this probably from before this song actually came out on record. That's why noone knows it. This footage is from 2003. The album was released in August 2003. Seems pretty logical to me.
@iaxodus i wouldnt care if ive never heard the song in my life,,, THATS AVENGED SEVENFOLD!! they could play The fucking beatles and id still be pumped AF lol
@xXWuZzAt11Xx It's not like in 2003 everyone was like, "hey the revs gonna die in 6 year so lets go see a7x before he goes" In your little world it might happen that way, but in reality it doesn't. For all I know my best friend who I haven't talked to in 3 years could die tomorrow.
OMFG IF I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE REV LIVE BEFORE HE DIED I WOULD GO FUCKING NUTS. AVENGED DESERVE A BETTER CROWD. THIS WAS A GREAT SET ;PQW93 Y[9ZXHU1NMP
FXCK THOSE PPL!. If i were in that crowd, i'd b fxCkken going LIVE!. EspeCially sinCe M. Shadows was sCreaming!!. Nothing turns me on like a sexXxy band, playing a sexXxy song!!. :DD
matt was super sexy back then he can still sceam its just that he screams lower but i like the way he yusta scream tho like now the scream is all srachy but back then it was purfect to me
Everyone needs to go back and review "all access" because all of you need to get your facts straight, a lot of the comments on this video and other videos have incorrect info. Many people say they are big fans but they don't even know simple things like who was in the band. Please, I'm beginning to get angry about this.
@fuckyeah009 actually lol im not saying they ripped it off. i mean shit its a cool melody but listen to spirit crusher by death and after the first chorus this riff/melody/harmony kicks in.
@fuckyeah009 They're in different keys, they have a completely different pattern... the only thing that's similar about them is that they're in a minor key, but so is every other metal song.
He is so young here. I like the more *mature* Shadows. His voice is more refined, and he is more experienced at stage performing. Thumbs up if you agree! BTW the old and the new A7X kicks ass!! \m/
@Swissjar549 Thats just how we wants to scream, he can make it high pitched like in this song or a little lower like in the song "Im not ready to die" or "god hates us".
I'm actually glad to see them play in front of such a dead crowd.
We can see how far theyve come, from a hundred(?) brain dead cunts back then to thousands of hardcore fans losing their shit just to see them walk on stage. Congrats guys and may Jimmy RIP
@deathbat1228 noo, i have this album, it says on the inside cover, guitar- Synyster Gates, but on the warmness on the soul single released in 2001 it was spelled Synyster Gaytes lol, it was his nickname in highschool, i dont think he was ever really called "Brian Haner"... wow im a nerd for knowing all that
@KCMGuitarVideos haha dont feel like a nerd its cool i kinda knew that he had that nickname in highschool because i saw a video with matt and how they all get their nicknames and that syn and the rev had theirs from shcool
@chrisr7 he was friends with them from the beggining but if you actuslly knew anything matt says he heard sounding the seventh trumpet and thought it was very creative so he decided he would play with them
Just be glad the crowds are no longer like this. Plus whats sad is for opening bands people dont really rock the fuck out. I don't know if they think "if their not big they arent good" or if they are just focusing to see if they are any good.
That crowd didnt know it but they were so lucky..
jb5bluesfan 3 days ago
every one is standing like omg what is this x d
TheSuperdesiree 1 week ago in playlist Liked videos
2003 video quality... LOL
A7xSandro 1 week ago
M. Shadows.. What a boss
justinbraziel 3 weeks ago
Fighting in me was a WHORREEE hahahaha
SenaZumrutcu 1 month ago 2
Haha The Rev only had 2 tomtoms back then:D
HappoApina 1 month ago
Love their old stuff-- I love their new stuff too(Tonight the World dies is one of my all-time FAVORITES). I'm a Sevenfold diehard- I love whatever they put forth. I'd like to add for those who are a bit confused about M's screaming, he didn't quit screaming because he couldn't--he quite cause he didn't want to. A7X foREVer!!
DeathbatFoREVer495 1 month ago 5
@DeathbatFoREVer495 thats half truth he didn't so much quit as cut back because of throat surgery to remove a blood clot from improperly screaming to much though when he does personally i think the scream sounds better now
danthetinman916 1 month ago
Avenged Sevenfold is the reason of my life.... and the screaming of 2:23 is the reason of my existence
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I'd kill to be there.. those people need to die. by me.. So I could be there.. o.O
dbzgtzero 1 month ago
fuck yeah back when only few people knew about them those were the days fuck them now
xpanik17x 1 month ago
Young Avenged Sevenfold = Best Avenged Sevenfold.
CARRiiEUP 2 months ago
@CARRiiEUP some people love young A7X, some people love new A7X, true fans love both, and will continue to love them
SuperPandaWarrior 2 months ago
@SuperPandaWarrior I like A7x young and new but my favorite part is when they've been with The Rev. :)
CARRiiEUP 2 months ago
synyster looks like Bam Margera
jkjgiants26 2 months ago
@jkjgiants26 You know what's funny about that though?
I was watching Viva La Bam (Bam's TV show) and I swear I saw an A7X poster.
A lot of the audio clips they play on the show also sounds like Avenged stuff.
ILovePitbulls49 2 months ago
Dose
11pairsofpants 2 months ago
Rare on YouTube
11pairsofpants 2 months ago
@drummerboysquires this song is on the waking the fallen album
DeathDealersGaming 2 months ago
I wish I was there! I would be the only one on the crowd jumping around!
1983bfmv 2 months ago
lol zacky's stuff up in the intro
thegodthathatesall 2 months ago
i swear this is a fucking school
comppyboy98 2 months ago
thumbs up for M.Shadow's screamo!!!
MyMRpapa 2 months ago 63
Holy shit.
J1661Z 2 months ago
why does M. Shadows always leave out the line "restraints are useless here" in all of Avenged Sevenfold's live performances of this song?
Kendrick1010 2 months ago
@Kendrick1010 because he uses it to catch his breath. You try screaming all that straight through in one breath. I've tried, and it ain't easy.
avocado101592 2 months ago
@Kendrick1010 he runs out of breath, try it and yull know
jamesdallimore 2 months ago
Shadows kicks ass here.
aspasiz 2 months ago
there still bad ass back n the day
SuperStevo777 2 months ago
This is cool. But after hearing Unholy Confessions professionally done.. I almost cant listen to this.
FromtheInception 2 months ago
I wish Jimmy remained looking like this through to his last days. It just adds to his already crazy character.
BrandonJamesH 3 months ago
take that crowd of people times it by 1000 then add a mosh pit then u have avenged sevenfold today
Tyler22888 3 months ago
is it just me or is zacky's guitar way louder than syn's?
slyruler999 3 months ago
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A7XGuyDrummer 3 months ago
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A7XGuyDrummer 3 months ago
Mic on a cable... Old School style, bitches!!!!!
ShyteKreek46 3 months ago 2
Lol Synyster and no tatts! lol...crazy seeing his bare arms! lol...Soon after he realized is uber leetness so he went and got tatted up to to his beastly image!
wrxsnowman 3 months ago
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Damn this vid is definitely before they had any sort of fanbase and just look how hard they rock. Love it! Thanks for sharing. a7x!!!!
SDmamma82 3 months ago
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SDmamma82 3 months ago
R.I.P REV U ARE THE MAN
22hoyboy 3 months ago
ooooooooooh I LOVE THEM SO MUCH !!
xPePoOy 3 months ago
m shadow voice is like without a mic
TheEltors 3 months ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Great song by a shitty band
sochioranmyaku 3 months ago
if they only knew what was right in front of them...one of the most epic songs and bands ever.
lizasaraus27 3 months ago
i wish i had been there
a7x4eva1000 3 months ago
wow dude. rev kit looks so... small..
glasgowgrin1 4 months ago
why the hell isnt any1 in the crowd rocking out??? this is amazing O_O
dranorpker69 4 months ago 41
@dranorpker69 Cause they weren't famous yet... People is all about show business
GovanJazz 2 months ago
@dranorpker69 They wern't famous yet so nobody gave shit. That sucks because famous or not I would have been rockin' out. They are all wankers.
thewhitegirlblues 1 month ago
@dranorpker69 antidepressants
rocklobstahh 1 month ago
@dranorpker69 this was before the song came out....
gtaisawesome87 1 month ago
Zacky head = PUDIM
DesignerPedro 4 months ago
Rev had such a small drum kit...Ahhh
MasonBangsDrums 4 months ago
Shadows could scream and sing so much better when he was younger. He still sings and screams like a beast today but he just sounds better here then he does now.
shane809887 4 months ago
LOL shadows left arm with no tats
ash2293 4 months ago
I agree with iaxodus. Stop complaining about the crowd. Many probably didn't even know what the song was.
Anyway this is fucking awesome, seeing them in their early days. It's amazing to see how much they improved live now.
eSOhBe 4 months ago
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eSOhBe 4 months ago
holy shit they look soooooo different...damn look at syns haircut
Elegost3000 4 months ago
i see dead people...
Kickass10114 4 months ago
@Kickass10114 too soon xDD
eNVy103195 4 months ago
i love how the crowd is just standin there while one of the best bands of all time r playin. talk about dead crowd
THEDEATHLUVSME 4 months ago
Y IS THERE NO PIT!!!!!!!!
LPismad 4 months ago
AWWWWWWWWW THEY WERE BABIES!!!! I LOVE A7X THIS IS MY ALL TIME FAV!!! i cannot get tired of it!!!!!!! Synyster looks sooo funnt like thiss!!! hes still sexy nevertheless, Johnny's hair is badass, i love how his bangs his bass... These were Zackys glorious days, eveyone loved Zacky lol!!! Shadows will always be the same.. I LOVE THEM!!! I LOVE THEM!!!!...
kenncriss 4 months ago
This is cool. :o I just hate it when people say they aren't as good anymore. xD
alexxpck 4 months ago
4 people apparently suck dick
ThexxA7X88Xx 4 months ago
Dull crowd... They must be deaf
iisoboss 4 months ago
His Vocals are out of tune left right and centre... Sorry, it had to be said. However his screams are like 5X better in this.
stokecityyouth 4 months ago
@stokecityyouth M's vocals have progressively gotten better each year since a7x formed as band. He is an excellent singer now.
eriksports 4 months ago 2
@eriksports I know that, I've listened to them from the beginning until now...
stokecityyouth 4 months ago
@stokecityyouth good for you
eriksports 4 months ago
@eriksports Thanks.
stokecityyouth 4 months ago
His scream is amazing.
aranrogers12 4 months ago
Shame his voice is nothing like this anymore
iPROFITDON 4 months ago
its weird to see jimmy playing a 4 piece kit.lol
allthatremains2009 5 months ago
@allthatremains2009 Seize The Day music video.
adammccormick95 4 months ago
2:31 fat bald guy headbanging.
SomeCrazyBearRaper 5 months ago
3:33 retards!! your looking the wrong way >.< fuck, that pisses me off. I havnt seem a7x once, but theyve been my favorite band for 7 years. Im seeing them in October, but i would much rather been to their earlier shows.. People who go and just stand there...ugh it pisses me off soo much. You guys dont deserve to see such perfection if your not going to enjoy it .___.
a7xfan66 5 months ago
@a7xfan66 back in 2003 when this was recorded, a7x wasn't nearly as big or well known. And they were far from perfection. They sounded amazing nonetheless
NineDaysTil 5 months ago
is that JC?
nugent321 5 months ago
@nugent321 Yes, he joined the band in '03, so he's just starting out in this video.
petenmoe 5 months ago
this is one of the best versions of this song i've seen. Why don't they perform the song like this anymore? This matches, if not surpasses, the studio version :)
pwny999 5 months ago
@pwny999 his screams arent as strong now
inCYDable 5 months ago
what the fuck... is the crowd dead ??
oooh, the song was new at the time, that's why nobody knew it!
damn, the good old a7x times...
but i love their new songs too xD
\m/
lotriguitarist 5 months ago
its pretty cool to see how much they changed
madmike078 5 months ago in playlist Video's die door madmike078 aan de favorieten zijn toegevoegd
does anyone else rember when their tickets were $11.00. but still i would go see them for even a thousand dollars.
A7x fo[REV]er
betabersker 5 months ago
Soon to be, anyway.
SlimAyDee 5 months ago
If only that audience knew who they were listening to... the greatest band of all time...
SlimAyDee 5 months ago
nice video. its pretty rare to hear matt scream like that live. he was freakin awesome at it
cougarfingers7 5 months ago
The crowd totally sucks they're sooo dead!! If only they knew how huge A7x would become. :/
FictionalRealityA7x 5 months ago
God damnit, who the fuck else was on this bill that had such shitty fans?
jesushasan8pack 5 months ago
You idiots need to realize that this probably from before this song actually came out on record. That's why noone knows it. This footage is from 2003. The album was released in August 2003. Seems pretty logical to me.
iaxodus 5 months ago 51
@iaxodus in Italy we use to mosh even if we don't know a song and it's the first time we hear it...
MrDonniebrasco1983 4 months ago 2
@iaxodus i wouldnt care if ive never heard the song in my life,,, THATS AVENGED SEVENFOLD!! they could play The fucking beatles and id still be pumped AF lol
Bl0wn1 4 months ago
@iaxodus i thought this alburm came out last year
chief2861 2 months ago
@chief2861 oh my god... this was their first breakthrough album, nightmare came out last year. this song isnt even on that album.
drummerboysquires 2 months ago
@chief2861 they probably been working on it for a long time
TheBIGTLIVE 2 months ago
Wish they still had that stage presence...
DrummingNonStop 5 months ago
....they record it from telephone
?..
akali54 5 months ago
Sucha sick snare tone
MrSilver9692 5 months ago 2
omg.. and actual RARE video. im tired of seeing all this "RARE" shit and nothing is every rare. KUDOS.
RIP JIMMY WE LOVE YOU
A7X foREVer
maricopa08 5 months ago
Those people are just stunned by the badass-ness from this song
nikkyfree213 6 months ago 19
These ppl fuckin' suck. They sound awesome even if it is fuzzy. These fuckin' kids have no idea what they're listening to.
davelynzchris 6 months ago 5
R.I.P. jimmy
NoelyonZ93 6 months ago
Woah if I head banged like Syn, Zacky, and Johnny I would totally be on my ass!
RockItAllTheWay 6 months ago 5
the first time in history where people didnt know the lyrics to this song
rampagetapout 6 months ago 5
matt actually screamed the lyrics
guitarboysteel 6 months ago
that crowd fuckin sucks dude i would be fuckin jumpin around an startin mosh pits
TheMETALBEAST45 6 months ago 4
Woah, shadows voice, its before it went even more amazing :D
DugBullet 6 months ago
@eilers if u look closely between 0:40 and 0:43 there actually head banging so somebody did bob there head lol xD
xyulikxmadikx 6 months ago
is this like the video shoot for the music video? cause i think thats why the crowd sucks
31CanadianEH 6 months ago
2:33 2:36 Two man circle pit or are they just walking through?
macccyP 6 months ago
Im just glad they didnt retire after performing in front of such a gay crowd
private1456higa 6 months ago
wow shadow's left arm was clean back then :D
private1456higa 6 months ago
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private1456higa 6 months ago
so rare i have to look on youtube :o
JAB0NK0 6 months ago
2: 56 asscrack
YOUBOOBER12 6 months ago
@YOUBOOBER12 Lmfao nice observation
MrMrJasura 6 months ago
3 of the idiots from that show logged in and pressed dislike! Jerks
BermyRaji 6 months ago
i wanna slap everyone. but i remember when Matt swung the mic and hit poop Zack right in the head.
msdyrdek7 6 months ago
im confuzed o.o
crossingshinepark 6 months ago
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xXWuZzAt11Xx 6 months ago
@xXWuZzAt11Xx It's not like in 2003 everyone was like, "hey the revs gonna die in 6 year so lets go see a7x before he goes" In your little world it might happen that way, but in reality it doesn't. For all I know my best friend who I haven't talked to in 3 years could die tomorrow.
Itachifan186 6 months ago
great crowd...
OMFG IF I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE REV LIVE BEFORE HE DIED I WOULD GO FUCKING NUTS. AVENGED DESERVE A BETTER CROWD. THIS WAS A GREAT SET ;PQW93 Y[9ZXHU1NMP
LolaLikesPandas 6 months ago 3
FXCK THOSE PPL!. If i were in that crowd, i'd b fxCkken going LIVE!. EspeCially sinCe M. Shadows was sCreaming!!. Nothing turns me on like a sexXxy band, playing a sexXxy song!!. :DD
RazorWristsLikeThizz 6 months ago
shit gets real in those pits, nothing like a 2 man pit to get the crowd going
Blarg1205 6 months ago
The sad, horrible, and slightly painful truth... As to your hero singer screams inhale...:'(
gameron55 6 months ago
dead crowd is dead
HaloChaos 6 months ago
is zacky like left hand or something cuz his guitar is on the other side
ycats1229 6 months ago 3
@ycats1229 yea Zacky is a lefty
Username14844 6 months ago
@ycats1229 can't tell if trolling or just really stupid...
zeppguitarded 6 months ago
120p.... weve finally met
xA7XBLINK182x 6 months ago
This is AWESOME! :D But the crowd sucks! :/
Spike6176 6 months ago
Yano what?
What's with that fucking crowd man!
i'm sure if i seen MATT, IDK ABOUT YOU, BUT I'D FUCKING SCREAM THE FUCK OUT!
They're deader than my nan
MrKILLINGLUCIFER 6 months ago
matt was super sexy back then he can still sceam its just that he screams lower but i like the way he yusta scream tho like now the scream is all srachy but back then it was purfect to me
ycats1229 6 months ago 2
what the fuck, how can they not rock out to this??? are you sure those people are a7x fans?? if i were there i would have fucked shit up
GodHatesUsA7X 6 months ago 2
son perfectos y kien diga q no pzz q se xingue!!!
TheHujius 6 months ago
It's a shame that this is one of the best performances of this song they've done live, and the crowd is one of the worst crowds of all time.
fuckyeah009 6 months ago 72
@fuckyeah009 I know, they were dead!!!! shame shame!!
kenncriss 4 months ago
@fuckyeah009 Dude i so agree
AshleyB797 4 months ago
@fuckyeah009 the crowds not dead... THATS THE PROBLEM!
drummerboysquires 4 months ago 2
syn is in the band, but he is using his parker flt guitar instead of the avenged, its hard to tell with the video quality being so bad
XxXxJUSTJACKxXxX 7 months ago
@XxXxJUSTJACKxXxX he didnt get his custom until 2005
inCYDable 7 months ago
@inCYDable I know he didn't get his custom until '05, I'm just saying he is using his Parker Fly guitar.
XxXxJUSTJACKxXxX 7 months ago
@XxXxJUSTJACKxXxX well you seemed like you were unsure about the parker fly so i was just saying
inCYDable 7 months ago
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WIT THIS FUCKIN CROWD
a7xrevsynshadow 7 months ago
Everyone needs to go back and review "all access" because all of you need to get your facts straight, a lot of the comments on this video and other videos have incorrect info. Many people say they are big fans but they don't even know simple things like who was in the band. Please, I'm beginning to get angry about this.
UNDEAD6767 7 months ago 2
2003... back when this riff was original. Hell, the rest of the song is still original, and fucking awesome.
MrPracticeRoom 7 months ago
@MrPracticeRoom Actually I think the riff sounds a lot like the riff from the song Electric Eye by Judas Priest.
fuckyeah009 6 months ago
@fuckyeah009 actually lol im not saying they ripped it off. i mean shit its a cool melody but listen to spirit crusher by death and after the first chorus this riff/melody/harmony kicks in.
qu7aker 6 months ago
@fuckyeah009 They're in different keys, they have a completely different pattern... the only thing that's similar about them is that they're in a minor key, but so is every other metal song.
MrPracticeRoom 6 months ago
@MrPracticeRoom They still sound similar.
fuckyeah009 6 months ago
3 people like lady gaga
igoooralves 7 months ago
He is so young here. I like the more *mature* Shadows. His voice is more refined, and he is more experienced at stage performing. Thumbs up if you agree! BTW the old and the new A7X kicks ass!! \m/
Albig2010 7 months ago
CAN someone please tell me whether Matt uses inhale or exhale please!
Swissjar549 7 months ago
@Swissjar549 Exhale XD
bluesniperdjg 7 months ago
@bluesniperdjg thanks but I've wondered if he uses exhale than how can he make it so high pitched
Swissjar549 7 months ago
@Swissjar549 Thats just how we wants to scream, he can make it high pitched like in this song or a little lower like in the song "Im not ready to die" or "god hates us".
bluesniperdjg 7 months ago
@bluesniperdjg I know I love A7x
Swissjar549 7 months ago
syn looks so much like bam margera
a7xrocksbutt 7 months ago
@a7xrocksbutt Bam magera looks like Syn you mean? ;)
xMaYHeM7 7 months ago
wait was this concert one of their first concerts?
A7Xrockerchick18 7 months ago
I'm actually glad to see them play in front of such a dead crowd.
We can see how far theyve come, from a hundred(?) brain dead cunts back then to thousands of hardcore fans losing their shit just to see them walk on stage. Congrats guys and may Jimmy RIP
dmaldonado6177 7 months ago 3
@dmaldonado6177 Haha yeah man.
OmgGuitarNoobcake 7 months ago
i wonder if this was back when syns name was still brian
deathbat1228 7 months ago
@deathbat1228 noo, i have this album, it says on the inside cover, guitar- Synyster Gates, but on the warmness on the soul single released in 2001 it was spelled Synyster Gaytes lol, it was his nickname in highschool, i dont think he was ever really called "Brian Haner"... wow im a nerd for knowing all that
KCMGuitarVideos 7 months ago
@KCMGuitarVideos haha dont feel like a nerd its cool i kinda knew that he had that nickname in highschool because i saw a video with matt and how they all get their nicknames and that syn and the rev had theirs from shcool
deathbat1228 7 months ago
@deathbat1228 yeah, and the rest created theirs as their stage names
KCMGuitarVideos 7 months ago
@KCMGuitarVideos syn wasnt with them when warmness on the soul came out he played with them after sounding the seventh trumpet
inCYDable 7 months ago
@inCYDable ik, but thats what it said on wikipedia, its wrong thoughhh
KCMGuitarVideos 7 months ago
@inCYDable Go watch Avenged Sevenfold All Axcess . Syn was with them from the beginning
chrisr7 7 months ago
@chrisr7 he was friends with them from the beggining but if you actuslly knew anything matt says he heard sounding the seventh trumpet and thought it was very creative so he decided he would play with them
inCYDable 7 months ago
@chrisr7 no the recorded some stuff the syn came in and re-recorded to end the rapture
halomaster2134 7 months ago
@chrisr7 yeah when the band was very first created syn was still in GIT. but he came in very very soon after
urworstnightmare22 7 months ago
Just be glad the crowds are no longer like this. Plus whats sad is for opening bands people dont really rock the fuck out. I don't know if they think "if their not big they arent good" or if they are just focusing to see if they are any good.