They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
This was written by Franklin, with quotation marks but almost certainly his original thought, sometime shortly before February 17, 1775 as part of his notes for a proposition at the Pennsylvania Assembly, as published in Memoirs of the life and writings of Benjamin.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
This was written by Franklin, with quotation marks but almost certainly his original thought, sometime shortly before February 17, 1775 as part of his notes for a proposition at the Pennsylvania Assembly, as published in Memoirs of the life and writings of Benjamin.
I just moved to Phoenix from Los Angeles last year and I have to say that most of the people here appear to be very uneducated. The public school system is ranked at the bottom and most of the adult population barely has a H.S. Diploma. As soon as I can break even selling my home I am outa here. This is the land of the construction worker and the Walmart employee.
Then why did you move here schmuck? You're just another one of these LA airheads moving to Arizona because people like you turned California into a giant shithole!
Crime rate through the roof ! Illegal immigration out of control ! Close to $ 40 billion in debt ! Tax refund IOUs because the state of California is out of money and is run by morons!
Yeah, California is a real role model for the rest of us. Please move as fast as you can ! We don't want you here !
Oh they will. They will not get anything but I am sure they will try. This was her fault and if one can't see this they are bound to have the same sort of fate as this useless drunk. I for one believe that this is better world without her. I mean if she was 2 ignorant to comply with the police, I don't want her in this world. One less useless drunk to worry about.
Her husband should have been with her. He knew she was deeply mentally ill and yet he's blaming everyone but himself. He has to live with this the rest of his life.
would have collapsed ! Where's the people respect ? Not cops but enventually a doctor could had helped Mrs Gotbaun. Shame the people who have managed this brutal aggression!
Usually I don't chime in on stuff like this, but as a worker at a mental health facility for forensics, I too have to occasionally secure individuals in order to keep them from hurting themselves or others. The police did a fine job in taking custody of the woman in a relatively painless fashion. She was a very ill woman, but no one is to blame here. It was simply a tragic turn of events.
If she were entering a drug and alcohol treatment facility why didn't her husband fly with her to make sure she got there safely? Or a relative? Wouldn't they be afraid of her drinking at the airport (which she did) and falling off the wagon?
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SHE WAS STONED!!! She resisted their assistance and got detained. I would expect the same thing would happen to me if I came to the airport, stoned on prescription pills and started freaking out. I would expect it because it is not normal behaviour. It is dangerous behaviour that also disturbs people's right to peaceful existences. The family should apologize or the police in question should sue.
She was mentally ill and on prescription drugs and you say she deserved the treatment she got.Thank fuck I dont live in your world. If the pigs had been observant and did'nt just fancy giving her a kicking then murdering her,they might just have noticed the need for medical help.I hope the family sues for everything they can get.
You obviously hav'nt kept up with the story. stupid dumbass yankie fuck. 3officers are now facing 2nd degree murder charges. Why, because it was obvious she had mental issues(letters she had on her from her doctor and the treatment centre were read by the duty sergeant). And as she was in police custody a Doctor should have been called immediatly(main part of the indictment).After all they are there to PROTECT and serve. Also check the autopsy results. Idiot.
Here's a responce spunkjet. Are you one sad mutha fukka or what ?. Trying to flame up after 7 months. Well asshole, it aint gonna happen. I, unlike you, have a pretty decent life to get on with. So continue living in your squat, hitting up your meth and smoking your crack maybe even screwing the local slut when she/he is sleeping and enjoy. Your not worth any more effort.
A news release provided from the Phoenix Police Department indicates that the police department and the city decided to settle because it would have cost at least $750,000 to take the case to trial.
@Allanscot On August 21, 2008, the Maricopa County Attorney determined that the Phoenix police officers involved in the arrest of Carol Gotbaum did not break any laws and will not be prosecuted.
The Gotbaum family may receive a $250,000 settlement. A payout that will be far less than the millions of dollars they wanted from the city of Phoenix police department
Acording to one writer there is a "pandemic" of police brutality at airports. Another writer is complaining because the cops were big "Fags". I can only assume that these 2 idiots have been arrested at an airport at sometime, probably resisted and gotten their asses kicked. Morons.
So speaks the great sage whose IQ is probably around 70. The great ass-kicker/bad-ass of modern-day America has come to an intellectual conclusion; one great hero who can't speak up for one weak woman. If this is how you nitwits look after your women, the country is lost and the REAL terrorists will have it pretty fuckin' easy to take over.
Hey, kanda2442: guess again, punk. I never had any trouble with cops because I work in the Ministry of Justice over here. Neither have I ever travelled by plane, I leave that for stupid Americans like you, so that a few arab jerks can take you on a "tour de force" through a skyscraper.
Hey, hchaffey is boyfriend of one of the faggot cops. They play together using anal toys. Motherfucking bastard, go buy yourself a dick for that empty space between your legs. Maybe your lesbian mother can lend you hers.
And you look like a drag queen, shitface (a.k.a. hchaffey). But it's not your fault, you simply take after your homosexual father, who wanted to make a real gay out of you. Are you going to suck his dirty asshole tonight?
Anytime I look at the video, I get upset. Poor Carol needed just a little kindness, on a bad day. She had had her bought and paid for airline seat, resold. Despicable airline, and despicable 'cops'.
I watched this video several times and do not understand why they arrested her, if you watch her just seconds before the first cop goes toward her she appeared to be just upset, but not doing anything wrong. Also I read elswhere that after the autopsy, they would not hand over her throat, heart and brain to her family. They kepted it. I suspect a lot of people and her husband especially.
You can tell the cop's own spokesman barely believes the implausible cover up excuses. The police shouldn't have arrested her and beaten her to death. They should have detained her, calmed her down and called her family. There is a difference arresting a bad guy vs. beating a woman to death who was undergoing stress. The cops should be trained to know the difference. Their job is to thwart terrorism, not to kill people with problems.
You can't strangle yourself to death while restrained in handcuffs. It's impossible. Their story does not add up. She was a good person. She was a mother with 3 kids. She has people who loved her. She did not deserve to die at the hands of airport police.
What a fundamental disgrace to the Phoenix Police Department. I hope the families legally crush that Police Department for wrongful death. God Damn gung-ho untrained cops should be jailed...what a disgrace.
I don't see that she's being "tackled." She seems to fall to the ground of her own accord, and the extent to which she's being treated roughly seems to be no more than what her struggling merits. I get the feeling that some people want to cast the police in a bad light no matter what. Seems to me the real culprit is her husband. If his spouse was "suicidal, depressed," etc. as he kept insisting, then for Pete's sake, why did he let her go off by herself in the first place?!
did anyone see south parks first episode for this season, it looks like she is screaming ASSSSSSSSSSSSSS, PISSSSSSSSSSSSSSS , PISSSSS in the ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
lolzzzzzzzzzzzz this dumb broad, now ya in the ground cuz ya wanted to act like a tard.
Audio tapes now released of the husband's calls to the aiport describe his wife as being 'suicidal, depressed, alcoholic, emotional and angry.' She was a ticking time bomb! How could he allow her to travel alone, risking her safety and the safety of others??
The police shouldn't have arrested her and beaten her to death. They should have detained her, calmed her down and called her family. There is a difference arresting a bad guy vs. beating a woman to death who was undergoing stress. The cops should be trained to know the difference. Their job is to thwart terrorism, not to kill people with problems.
At shinykicks there are no cameras that give closer or more detailed footage ... what are you saying they should go ahead and sue Sky Harbor too for not having better camera equipment?
2) how the hell do you know if witnesses nearby were not threatened?
3) not only does the video show this but testimony from witnesses also states she went down to the ground herslef ... and THEN she began resisting arrest
4) so what if she was unarmed ... she has things called fists
5) people hyped up on adrenaline and in her case possibly boose are totally capably of fighting off several people ... learn about the human body
not only all the points you made but what about this crazy bitch carried on for 1 minute and 34 seconds before they took action. this stupid bitch got what she deserved
Exactly. And what is very self revealing, is the failure of the airport and police to release more detailed footage from closer cameras.
Carol's arrest looks like an assault. Her arrest was totally over the top. There was no need for their thuggish aggression towards such a harmless lady.
May Carol's memory dog their conscience til the end of their days. They are mere thugs with badges.
The police response was uncalled for. None of those witnesses nearby felt threatened by this woman-- they seem amazed at the police response (football tackle of 1 woman to ground by about 5 cops). It was uncalled for, and the police hurt their case by publishing this video. I believed their side until I saw their brutality to this woman with no weapon.
not only does she appear remotely controlled, (i know some ppl find this crazy), but she seemed to have a walk-in, a spiritual walk-in, OR, someone laced her drink/food, check her for something other then alcohol.
The Stinson Morrison Hecker LLP law firm has set up the confidential line, 877-879-1926, and is looking for witnesses related to the arrest of Carol Anne Gotbaum at Sky Harbor on Sept. 28.
Police brutality at airports is out of control. Especially when the police beat up and or kill young women and mothers. This is similar to the police beating of the young woman at Reagan National Airport in DC except she suffered a concussion and is still alive. My thoughts and prayers go out to Carol Ann Gotbaum's family.
at Stylewriter, name me another occurence of police brutality in an airport. Oh and to begin with this was not police butality, it was mereley a crazy lady that overstimulated hersefl in combination with DT's from acloholic witdrawels. The idiot screamed so much she gave herself either a heart attack or stroke.
As "Shortchecker" says that he/she would feel "safer withOUT Police",,, the ONLY ones that would feel "safer without Police" are the "violent criminals" themselves! Is Shortchecker trying to admit to all of us that he/she IS a violent criminal???
people like ragdraggo have children they dont properly raise, making police necsasary I do not faer police only the massive unchecked power they represent!(Shortchecker speaking for Himself)
The Phoenix Police did NOT kill Carol Gotbaum, any more than Janet Reno (and FBI agents) killed David Koresh and his 85 Branch Davidian followers in Waco back in 1993! It's sad that all (in both cases) had to die but when you BREAK laws, consequences must be paid! The Branch Davidian did a mass suicide and Ms. Gotbaum more or less killed herself! Neither the Police nor the Feds should be blamed!
your lieing i have videos showing FBI with flame tanks burning the compound. Look up Wako rules of engagement. I smell a revolution coming closer and closer.
As "AustinProgramer" says "RagDraggo is another suck-up to authoritarianism", AustinProgramer seems to FORGET that "authoritarianism" exists to keep the psycho-loonies (terrorists or not) from doing sudden mass-killings of innocent people! Many "murderers of masses" (of history) acted just like Ms. Gotbaum did, before they struck!
"The Branch Davidian did a mass suicide and Ms. Gotbaum more or less killed herself! Neither the Police nor the Feds should be blamed!" son, you ARE deluded.
"It's sad that all (in both cases) had to die"
The point is, that no-one HAD to die. You truly are the village stooge.
"Clearly, many of the police suck-ups posting here are cops. They are of a different breed: subhuman neanderthals."
To all of you people that think cops are abusive and neanderthalls I would LOVE to see you say that to a cop's face when someone you know is killed, or someone steals from you, or beats you up. If you don't like our cops here go to Russia or Egypt where thy really beat the crap out of their citizens.
For most of human history there were no cops. In fact, cops have only existed for about 200 years. We did fine without them and we will do fine without them again. Just wait for the revolution. The smell of bacon will tease your noses.
Ok, I can't help it. Your statement that "cops have only existed for 200 years" is quite something. So you prefer we go back to the old west gunslinging days of lawlessness. Or perhaps you would like everyone in armor with swords, chopping each others heads off. I am NO cop sympathizer, but be real man.
The police impede justice. They serve to impose the will of the state and those the state represents. The state represents the wealthy and the corporations. The people are disenfranchised by a system that guarantees justice only for the powerful. Without law we would all be free to exercise justice ourselves. People who murder would need to worry about the justice her family might extract from them! Under the current system, the police will get away with their injustice.
you can't have crazy people flipping out at an airport. she was obviously creating a disturbance, which can be scary for people who think terrorists lurk at every corner or people that are afraid to fly in general. the police exercised good judgment in this case, and the woman most likely died because she tried to escape handcuffs. its unfortunate that she died, but don't give some ramble about how the police are the reason why our government doesn't work. take your head out of your ass.
How "AustinProgramer" can say that cops have only existed for about 200 years,,, and not much during "human history", I don't know! For the record, "Cops" were around during days of "Julius Ceasar", Cleopatra", "Alexander the Great", "Marco Polo", and at least as far back as 2000 BC! "IF" no Police existed today, ALL good (innocent) people of society would be at the BOTTOM of the "Food Chain"!
No, police have only existed for a couple of hundred years. Militaries and volunteers kept order, to the extent it existed, before police forces were created. The first true police forces were created in London during the 18th century.
To the guy who said to "all of you people that think cops are abusive and neanderthalls" that he'd "LOVE to see you say that to a cop's face" - uh, no, I won't say that to a copper pig's face because I know from experience that some of them won't hesitate to maltreat, torture and kill someone who tells them how it is. Satisfied?
In my opinion the most likely cause for her erratic behavior is not a few beers, thereby justifying her death in the court of popular opinion but instead DT's a serious physical medical problem requiring treatment immediately, caused by acute alcohol withdrawl. The main symptoms are: "disorientation, visual or auditory hallucinations, and increased hyperactivity" - Medical Surgical Interventions, 7th edition, page 211.
This is heinous. The only thing worse the the ignorance of the police is the apathy and indifference of the people defending the police. If she was no threat to herself as the police claim to justify leaving her unmonitored why was she chained to a bench?
This video had no audio for me. What happened there? So I can't hear what she was saying. But her body language for a long time did NOT look threatening or violent to me. She just kept taking a step back as she felt her space encroached on. Any of us would do that. And yes, why isn't there a camera in the holding room? Would have answered all our questions.
I won't be flying through Sky Harbor ever again, nor will my wife or daughter. Face it, before the cops came for her, she was alive. After they grabbed her, she died. The factor that changed the course of her life was the arrest. No arrest - no death.
The ONLY reasonable conclusion is that she was killed by the police officers, probably accidentally, but non the less, killed by them.
you might want to stay off the roads, then. Those other drivers are dangerous. Oh, and don't forget to stay out of the grocery store. I hear they sometimes sell bad meat. Wait, what about the baseball park?! Those crazy baseballs can come flying over and hit you on the head. Pull your head out of your ass.
The only reasonable conclusion is that she killed herself because of mental issues. Thank god her caring family memebers that are on the news now escorted her to rehab.
Big friggen deal! So what? Police kill blacks like this everyday. So now whites get a little taste and jump on the cry baby sympathy train. Get over it. You want to cry? Cry for Sean Bell or Amadou Diallo.
It looks as though she might have had some kind of brain thing. Maybe she freaked, then died, like mad cow or rabies. She doesn't behave like a normal person, so maybe the freak out was something in her brain. OY
Such dumbass media telling the nation that the non-threatening Gotbaum was tackled down roughly and tazered by "many" cops. What we see here is proof that she was a screaming mental case and she fought and resisted arrest from 2 officers! She says she's "not a terrorist" but how do we know she couldv'e been hired to distract the authorities while more criminals plot something else at the same time anywhere in the airport?
And another thing, her familiy is partially to blame for this. Would you send your loved one, with a severe drinking problem, to a treatment facility across the country ALONE?? With the airport bars, and all the drinks on the plane. Even if she wasn't drunk when this happened, its still irresponsible to send them alone.
You don't know her history. She may have been quite a traveler and this incident may have been completely unexpected. How dare you blame the victims!!! Man, you are low.
Now, as far as what happened in the holding cell, I have no idea what happened. From the video however you can clearly see she's making a scene. The police approached her, she obviously resisted and it appears to me that she went to the floor, they did NOT tackle her as some wits have said.
See, maybe you need to read my posts again. I clearly stated that I have no idea what happened in the holding cell and if they did indeed kill her, they should burn. Not sure what their motive would be to do that. But this video shows the cops did exactly what they are taught, and expected to do.
Man, thank God for this video. Some of the witnesses said that the police just came up and slammed her down. They didnt do anything like that. This a text book, by the numbers, arrest of someone who's resisting. period Good job fellas. Now there is the matter of the holding cell with NO camera in it??? Bad Idea.
That video reveals almost nothing. It is far away and there is no clear view of what transpired on the floor. I have a hard time believing they don't have footage from a closer camera.
The tape reveals plenty. Why do you need to get closer? They didn't brutalize her. She was freaking out enough that they laid her on the ground and slapped cuffs on her and hauled her away. It's what happened after this footage that is the issue. Get real.
No, it doesn't. People standing nearby say the police were kneeling on her. She's a small woman and that may have damaged her significantly. Due to the cops blocking the view, you can't see whether or not this claim is true.
How's that saying "thank you for killing her", you fucking moron? The woman was resisting arrest in a fucking airport. You don't get a free pass for that.
If she had a problem and was on her way to treatment, she should NOT have been left alone to do it. There's alcohol all over the airport. What a fucking joke.
Not the angel we were told she was in the news. She was on her way to rehab and if I saw a woman acting like this at the airport I would want her arrested.
Hey....I have some advice for other nuts out there getting ready to fly. KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!
Some people are on pins and needles about flying. If some crazy women is acting up in an airport she needs to be arrested ASAP. I really DO NOT CARE if she had Mental Problems. If she was in such a bad Mental condition, someone from her family should have been with her....or drove her. Drop the law suite!
Someone made some bad choices. She did and her family. Try going into an airport and act strange. Have a cop and/or security officer come up to you and state to them "I'm not a terrorist..." Everyone that acts like she did should be restrained and questioned.
ugh @ those two old people who just stop and blatantly stare for like 5 minutes.
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They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
This was written by Franklin, with quotation marks but almost certainly his original thought, sometime shortly before February 17, 1775 as part of his notes for a proposition at the Pennsylvania Assembly, as published in Memoirs of the life and writings of Benjamin.
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They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
This was written by Franklin, with quotation marks but almost certainly his original thought, sometime shortly before February 17, 1775 as part of his notes for a proposition at the Pennsylvania Assembly, as published in Memoirs of the life and writings of Benjamin.
BohemianNightmare 1 year ago
Not to mention as well that she wasnt in the mental state to be traveling on her own. Her husband knew this but sent her away by herself.
agochoa 2 years ago
Anne (Got Bomb) Gotbaum is the worst thing ton tell a cop at the airport.
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subedi5004 3 years ago
I just moved to Phoenix from Los Angeles last year and I have to say that most of the people here appear to be very uneducated. The public school system is ranked at the bottom and most of the adult population barely has a H.S. Diploma. As soon as I can break even selling my home I am outa here. This is the land of the construction worker and the Walmart employee.
obbierayukacslay 3 years ago
Then why did you move here schmuck? You're just another one of these LA airheads moving to Arizona because people like you turned California into a giant shithole!
Crime rate through the roof ! Illegal immigration out of control ! Close to $ 40 billion in debt ! Tax refund IOUs because the state of California is out of money and is run by morons!
Yeah, California is a real role model for the rest of us. Please move as fast as you can ! We don't want you here !
mrblujet 2 years ago
@obbierayukacslay You do realize that many of people living in Phoenix moved here from California before you did, right?
mrblujet 11 months ago
Oh they will. They will not get anything but I am sure they will try. This was her fault and if one can't see this they are bound to have the same sort of fate as this useless drunk. I for one believe that this is better world without her. I mean if she was 2 ignorant to comply with the police, I don't want her in this world. One less useless drunk to worry about.
danno56929 3 years ago 2
the people that placed her in the jail-cell overnight is guilty of criminal torture of the 1st degree.
LINEHED 4 years ago
Oh look what we have here, a fucking dumbass.
wow, he managed to write a full sentence.
FCPorto787 3 years ago
They should have sent her to Gitmo instead : )
mrblujet 2 years ago
Her husband should have been with her. He knew she was deeply mentally ill and yet he's blaming everyone but himself. He has to live with this the rest of his life.
xxjohnandersonxx 4 years ago 2
If the Liberty Statue could have seen that
would have collapsed ! Where's the people respect ? Not cops but enventually a doctor could had helped Mrs Gotbaun. Shame the people who have managed this brutal aggression!
springbros 4 years ago
Usually I don't chime in on stuff like this, but as a worker at a mental health facility for forensics, I too have to occasionally secure individuals in order to keep them from hurting themselves or others. The police did a fine job in taking custody of the woman in a relatively painless fashion. She was a very ill woman, but no one is to blame here. It was simply a tragic turn of events.
shinykid 4 years ago
LOL, seems like there's one of these dumb azzes on every flight. One down, how many more to go???
spturpin 4 years ago
Fuck you bitch.
She's ill.
SaweetSushii 4 years ago
Nope. She's dead. One less drunk wondering around aimlessly.
danno56929 3 years ago
Then why wasn't she accompanied by a family member or psych professional? Why was she allowed to travel without any type of supervision?
mrblujet 2 years ago
If she were entering a drug and alcohol treatment facility why didn't her husband fly with her to make sure she got there safely? Or a relative? Wouldn't they be afraid of her drinking at the airport (which she did) and falling off the wagon?
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dirtybombdiaries 4 years ago
The most dangerous gangs in America these days? COPS!
fohmoses 4 years ago 5
SHE WAS STONED!!! She resisted their assistance and got detained. I would expect the same thing would happen to me if I came to the airport, stoned on prescription pills and started freaking out. I would expect it because it is not normal behaviour. It is dangerous behaviour that also disturbs people's right to peaceful existences. The family should apologize or the police in question should sue.
sockett1 4 years ago
She was mentally ill and on prescription drugs and you say she deserved the treatment she got.Thank fuck I dont live in your world. If the pigs had been observant and did'nt just fancy giving her a kicking then murdering her,they might just have noticed the need for medical help.I hope the family sues for everything they can get.
Allanscot 4 years ago
How are the police supposed to know that she is mentally ill.
SHE WAS DRUNK!
SHE BEHAVED LIKE A DRUNK!
ARE THE POLICE SUPPOSED TO SEEK MEDICAL TREATMENT FOR EVERY DRUNK THEY ARREST?
dkrustyklown 3 years ago
This was not murder ! If you don't know the difference then you are a moron !
mrblujet 2 years ago
You obviously hav'nt kept up with the story. stupid dumbass yankie fuck. 3officers are now facing 2nd degree murder charges. Why, because it was obvious she had mental issues(letters she had on her from her doctor and the treatment centre were read by the duty sergeant). And as she was in police custody a Doctor should have been called immediatly(main part of the indictment).After all they are there to PROTECT and serve. Also check the autopsy results. Idiot.
Allanscot 2 years ago
Uh, the Maricopa County Attorney stated on August 21st of 2008 that none of the officers involved in the arrest would be prosecuted.
She had a blood/alcohol level of .24, three times the limit in Arizona and was on several different anti-depressants at the time of the arrest.
Thanks for sharing your ignorance with the rest of us.
mrblujet 2 years ago
I am still waiting for you to respond to my post. It appears that in addition to not having any facts, you also don't have any balls !
That's ok, I wouldn't respond either after I had just been made to look like an asshole !
Cheers !
mrblujet 2 years ago
Here's a responce spunkjet. Are you one sad mutha fukka or what ?. Trying to flame up after 7 months. Well asshole, it aint gonna happen. I, unlike you, have a pretty decent life to get on with. So continue living in your squat, hitting up your meth and smoking your crack maybe even screwing the local slut when she/he is sleeping and enjoy. Your not worth any more effort.
Allanscot 2 years ago
Well, you just responded dumb-ass ! Looks like it did happen after all. Maybe that life of yours isn't so decent : )
You are the one who accused me of not having my facts. Then I presented 'the facts' and you were no where to be found.
Do us all a favor friend - before you challenge then insult me on something you know absolutely nothing about, study-up first.
Have a nice day.
mrblujet 2 years ago
@Allanscot
A news release provided from the Phoenix Police Department indicates that the police department and the city decided to settle because it would have cost at least $750,000 to take the case to trial.
samten10a 1 year ago
@Allanscot On August 21, 2008, the Maricopa County Attorney determined that the Phoenix police officers involved in the arrest of Carol Gotbaum did not break any laws and will not be prosecuted.
The Gotbaum family may receive a $250,000 settlement. A payout that will be far less than the millions of dollars they wanted from the city of Phoenix police department
samten10a 1 year ago
Acording to one writer there is a "pandemic" of police brutality at airports. Another writer is complaining because the cops were big "Fags". I can only assume that these 2 idiots have been arrested at an airport at sometime, probably resisted and gotten their asses kicked. Morons.
kanda2442 4 years ago
So speaks the great sage whose IQ is probably around 70. The great ass-kicker/bad-ass of modern-day America has come to an intellectual conclusion; one great hero who can't speak up for one weak woman. If this is how you nitwits look after your women, the country is lost and the REAL terrorists will have it pretty fuckin' easy to take over.
fukapple 4 years ago
Hey, kanda2442: guess again, punk. I never had any trouble with cops because I work in the Ministry of Justice over here. Neither have I ever travelled by plane, I leave that for stupid Americans like you, so that a few arab jerks can take you on a "tour de force" through a skyscraper.
fjvs1960 4 years ago
It is medically impossible to strangle yourself in handcuffs. There needs to be a federal overhaul into the police brutality pandemic at airports.
paolonutuni 4 years ago
no, seemingly among the hundreds of tv cameras that day at the airport, only three or four caught any of this action. Bizarre.
That airport needs to step up it's levels of security. It's CCTV must be flippin shite personified.
And Carol's actual assault was apparently only caught on a grainy distant cctv camera.
And there were none down in the cells or holding centre
shinykicks 4 years ago
does anyone know the current status of the investigation? is there never a videotape of activity in a tention room?
lisabittan 4 years ago
Does anyone know the current status of the investigation? Is there no tape after she was detained? IS that always the way in detention rooms?
lisabittan 4 years ago
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what a nutjob.
I bet her family regrets not going with her now. Crazy-ass white lady.
Everyone knows not to make a scene in an airport or you'll be arrested. If you're not crazy, then you're just stupid.
LogicalLunatic 4 years ago
All those BIG men to bring down and cuff a single slender woman, makes them look like fags.
fjvs1960 4 years ago
you look like the fag, fag.
hchaffey 4 years ago
Wanna come and suck my dick, hchaffey? I can show how much of a fag I am, tough guy... anytime, baby.
frankivalli 4 years ago
Hey, hchaffey is boyfriend of one of the faggot cops. They play together using anal toys. Motherfucking bastard, go buy yourself a dick for that empty space between your legs. Maybe your lesbian mother can lend you hers.
fjvs1960 4 years ago
And you look like a drag queen, shitface (a.k.a. hchaffey). But it's not your fault, you simply take after your homosexual father, who wanted to make a real gay out of you. Are you going to suck his dirty asshole tonight?
fukapple 4 years ago
And you look like your mother's dirty pussy. Come and suck my dick anytime, baby, and I'll show you just how much of a fag I am, cocksucker.
fjvs1960 4 years ago
it looks like common assault.
Anytime I look at the video, I get upset. Poor Carol needed just a little kindness, on a bad day. She had had her bought and paid for airline seat, resold. Despicable airline, and despicable 'cops'.
strawberries909 4 years ago
I watched this video several times and do not understand why they arrested her, if you watch her just seconds before the first cop goes toward her she appeared to be just upset, but not doing anything wrong. Also I read elswhere that after the autopsy, they would not hand over her throat, heart and brain to her family. They kepted it. I suspect a lot of people and her husband especially.
WhiteSage777 4 years ago
How the fuck can anyone choke themselves when they are handcuffed???
Do the cops expect us to believe that.
Raul48819 4 years ago
You can tell the cop's own spokesman barely believes the implausible cover up excuses. The police shouldn't have arrested her and beaten her to death. They should have detained her, calmed her down and called her family. There is a difference arresting a bad guy vs. beating a woman to death who was undergoing stress. The cops should be trained to know the difference. Their job is to thwart terrorism, not to kill people with problems.
paolonutuni 4 years ago
Wow, You must have seen it. Call the family and tell them you will be a Witness.
Then again, You're full of it.
newenglandvideo 4 years ago
You can't strangle yourself to death while restrained in handcuffs. It's impossible. Their story does not add up. She was a good person. She was a mother with 3 kids. She has people who loved her. She did not deserve to die at the hands of airport police.
paolonutuni 4 years ago
Well, Run over to help the family. Trouble is even they won't believe the BS you're saying here.
You're just trolling here.
nesnman 4 years ago
She was out of control. Where was her husband?
nesnman 4 years ago 2
What a fundamental disgrace to the Phoenix Police Department. I hope the families legally crush that Police Department for wrongful death. God Damn gung-ho untrained cops should be jailed...what a disgrace.
hoolerprime 4 years ago
They should ve let her try to fly airplane by herself,prove that she is not drunk or crazy,any of you all want to get on board?
louis12346 4 years ago
I don't see that she's being "tackled." She seems to fall to the ground of her own accord, and the extent to which she's being treated roughly seems to be no more than what her struggling merits. I get the feeling that some people want to cast the police in a bad light no matter what. Seems to me the real culprit is her husband. If his spouse was "suicidal, depressed," etc. as he kept insisting, then for Pete's sake, why did he let her go off by herself in the first place?!
Jayee123 4 years ago 4
did anyone see south parks first episode for this season, it looks like she is screaming ASSSSSSSSSSSSSS, PISSSSSSSSSSSSSSS , PISSSSS in the ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
lolzzzzzzzzzzzz this dumb broad, now ya in the ground cuz ya wanted to act like a tard.
vince11229 4 years ago
Audio tapes now released of the husband's calls to the aiport describe his wife as being 'suicidal, depressed, alcoholic, emotional and angry.' She was a ticking time bomb! How could he allow her to travel alone, risking her safety and the safety of others??
Mercman70 4 years ago
The police shouldn't have arrested her and beaten her to death. They should have detained her, calmed her down and called her family. There is a difference arresting a bad guy vs. beating a woman to death who was undergoing stress. The cops should be trained to know the difference. Their job is to thwart terrorism, not to kill people with problems.
paolonutuni 4 years ago
At shinykicks there are no cameras that give closer or more detailed footage ... what are you saying they should go ahead and sue Sky Harbor too for not having better camera equipment?
strongbad086 4 years ago
At midnightbright
1) 3 cops arrested her not 5
2) how the hell do you know if witnesses nearby were not threatened?
3) not only does the video show this but testimony from witnesses also states she went down to the ground herslef ... and THEN she began resisting arrest
4) so what if she was unarmed ... she has things called fists
5) people hyped up on adrenaline and in her case possibly boose are totally capably of fighting off several people ... learn about the human body
strongbad086 4 years ago 3
not only all the points you made but what about this crazy bitch carried on for 1 minute and 34 seconds before they took action. this stupid bitch got what she deserved
vince11229 4 years ago
Exactly. And what is very self revealing, is the failure of the airport and police to release more detailed footage from closer cameras.
Carol's arrest looks like an assault. Her arrest was totally over the top. There was no need for their thuggish aggression towards such a harmless lady.
May Carol's memory dog their conscience til the end of their days. They are mere thugs with badges.
shinykicks 4 years ago
carol is in the ground rotting as we speak. to hell with her soul and no coming back from the fires of satans hell!!!
vince11229 4 years ago
The police response was uncalled for. None of those witnesses nearby felt threatened by this woman-- they seem amazed at the police response (football tackle of 1 woman to ground by about 5 cops). It was uncalled for, and the police hurt their case by publishing this video. I believed their side until I saw their brutality to this woman with no weapon.
midnightbright 4 years ago
not only does she appear remotely controlled, (i know some ppl find this crazy), but she seemed to have a walk-in, a spiritual walk-in, OR, someone laced her drink/food, check her for something other then alcohol.
CzarinaCzarina 4 years ago
it looks as if she was remotely controlled.
CzarinaCzarina 4 years ago
PLEASE POST THIS ON YOUR BLOGS & WEBSITES
The Stinson Morrison Hecker LLP law firm has set up the confidential line, 877-879-1926, and is looking for witnesses related to the arrest of Carol Anne Gotbaum at Sky Harbor on Sept. 28.
strawberries909 4 years ago
Police brutality at airports is out of control. Especially when the police beat up and or kill young women and mothers. This is similar to the police beating of the young woman at Reagan National Airport in DC except she suffered a concussion and is still alive. My thoughts and prayers go out to Carol Ann Gotbaum's family.
paolonutuni 4 years ago 2
Police brutality in airports has become commonplace. We need to stop it now. We can't let them keep beating and killing women, girls and mothers.
stylewriter 4 years ago
at Stylewriter, name me another occurence of police brutality in an airport. Oh and to begin with this was not police butality, it was mereley a crazy lady that overstimulated hersefl in combination with DT's from acloholic witdrawels. The idiot screamed so much she gave herself either a heart attack or stroke.
strongbad086 4 years ago
I would feel safer without Police.
Shortchecker 4 years ago
As "Shortchecker" says that he/she would feel "safer withOUT Police",,, the ONLY ones that would feel "safer without Police" are the "violent criminals" themselves! Is Shortchecker trying to admit to all of us that he/she IS a violent criminal???
RagDraggo 4 years ago
people like ragdraggo have children they dont properly raise, making police necsasary I do not faer police only the massive unchecked power they represent!(Shortchecker speaking for Himself)
Shortchecker 4 years ago
The Phoenix Police did NOT kill Carol Gotbaum, any more than Janet Reno (and FBI agents) killed David Koresh and his 85 Branch Davidian followers in Waco back in 1993! It's sad that all (in both cases) had to die but when you BREAK laws, consequences must be paid! The Branch Davidian did a mass suicide and Ms. Gotbaum more or less killed herself! Neither the Police nor the Feds should be blamed!
RagDraggo 4 years ago
your lieing i have videos showing FBI with flame tanks burning the compound. Look up Wako rules of engagement. I smell a revolution coming closer and closer.
teslacoils2001 4 years ago
Yeah go ahead and start a revolution, I will gladly join the army to kill ALL HOMEGROWN TERRORISTS like yourself that want to uproot our government.
strongbad086 4 years ago
So, revolutionaries are terrorists? That would make George Washington and Thomas Jefferson terrorists too.
AustinProgramer 4 years ago
RagDraggo is another suck-up to authoritarianism, you know, those losers with low IQs and knee pads.
AustinProgramer 4 years ago
As "AustinProgramer" says "RagDraggo is another suck-up to authoritarianism", AustinProgramer seems to FORGET that "authoritarianism" exists to keep the psycho-loonies (terrorists or not) from doing sudden mass-killings of innocent people! Many "murderers of masses" (of history) acted just like Ms. Gotbaum did, before they struck!
RagDraggo 4 years ago
You mean like the authoritarian cop that murdered a bunch of kids at a party a few days ago just because he was called a "worthless pig"?
AustinProgramer 4 years ago
"The Branch Davidian did a mass suicide and Ms. Gotbaum more or less killed herself! Neither the Police nor the Feds should be blamed!" son, you ARE deluded.
"It's sad that all (in both cases) had to die"
The point is, that no-one HAD to die. You truly are the village stooge.
superesonator 4 years ago
the police murdered her
dtgordon25 4 years ago 2
uh oh "Thought Crime"?
cuchulain25 4 years ago 3
"Clearly, many of the police suck-ups posting here are cops. They are of a different breed: subhuman neanderthals."
To all of you people that think cops are abusive and neanderthalls I would LOVE to see you say that to a cop's face when someone you know is killed, or someone steals from you, or beats you up. If you don't like our cops here go to Russia or Egypt where thy really beat the crap out of their citizens.
strongbad086 4 years ago
For most of human history there were no cops. In fact, cops have only existed for about 200 years. We did fine without them and we will do fine without them again. Just wait for the revolution. The smell of bacon will tease your noses.
AustinProgramer 4 years ago
Ok, I can't help it. Your statement that "cops have only existed for 200 years" is quite something. So you prefer we go back to the old west gunslinging days of lawlessness. Or perhaps you would like everyone in armor with swords, chopping each others heads off. I am NO cop sympathizer, but be real man.
VHTcrushes 4 years ago
The police impede justice. They serve to impose the will of the state and those the state represents. The state represents the wealthy and the corporations. The people are disenfranchised by a system that guarantees justice only for the powerful. Without law we would all be free to exercise justice ourselves. People who murder would need to worry about the justice her family might extract from them! Under the current system, the police will get away with their injustice.
AustinProgramer 4 years ago
you can't have crazy people flipping out at an airport. she was obviously creating a disturbance, which can be scary for people who think terrorists lurk at every corner or people that are afraid to fly in general. the police exercised good judgment in this case, and the woman most likely died because she tried to escape handcuffs. its unfortunate that she died, but don't give some ramble about how the police are the reason why our government doesn't work. take your head out of your ass.
eleiser 4 years ago
eleiser -go fu?$ yourself! Do it!
cascade777 4 years ago
How "AustinProgramer" can say that cops have only existed for about 200 years,,, and not much during "human history", I don't know! For the record, "Cops" were around during days of "Julius Ceasar", Cleopatra", "Alexander the Great", "Marco Polo", and at least as far back as 2000 BC! "IF" no Police existed today, ALL good (innocent) people of society would be at the BOTTOM of the "Food Chain"!
RagDraggo 4 years ago
No, police have only existed for a couple of hundred years. Militaries and volunteers kept order, to the extent it existed, before police forces were created. The first true police forces were created in London during the 18th century.
AustinProgramer 4 years ago
To the guy who said to "all of you people that think cops are abusive and neanderthalls" that he'd "LOVE to see you say that to a cop's face" - uh, no, I won't say that to a copper pig's face because I know from experience that some of them won't hesitate to maltreat, torture and kill someone who tells them how it is. Satisfied?
reorg9 4 years ago 2
"I would LOVE to see you say that to a cop's face when someone you know is killed, or someone steals from you, or beats you up."
You mean, when a cop kills someone we love, or a cop steals from us, or a cop beats us up? Fuck the police, they are scum.
AustinProgramer 4 years ago
In my opinion the most likely cause for her erratic behavior is not a few beers, thereby justifying her death in the court of popular opinion but instead DT's a serious physical medical problem requiring treatment immediately, caused by acute alcohol withdrawl. The main symptoms are: "disorientation, visual or auditory hallucinations, and increased hyperactivity" - Medical Surgical Interventions, 7th edition, page 211.
BINGO
dgorniak 4 years ago
This is heinous. The only thing worse the the ignorance of the police is the apathy and indifference of the people defending the police. If she was no threat to herself as the police claim to justify leaving her unmonitored why was she chained to a bench?
dgorniak 4 years ago
Clearly, many of the police suck-ups posting here are cops. They are of a different breed: subhuman neanderthals.
AustinProgramer 4 years ago
Do you have any association with Mr. Jones? The Austin connection and
dgorniak 4 years ago
No. I've never met Alex Jones.
AustinProgramer 4 years ago
I work in a transit facility and deal with idiots like this every day. Probably missed her flight because she was in the bar.
kviowa 4 years ago
This video had no audio for me. What happened there? So I can't hear what she was saying. But her body language for a long time did NOT look threatening or violent to me. She just kept taking a step back as she felt her space encroached on. Any of us would do that. And yes, why isn't there a camera in the holding room? Would have answered all our questions.
WhatWouldZappaSay 4 years ago
I won't be flying through Sky Harbor ever again, nor will my wife or daughter. Face it, before the cops came for her, she was alive. After they grabbed her, she died. The factor that changed the course of her life was the arrest. No arrest - no death.
The ONLY reasonable conclusion is that she was killed by the police officers, probably accidentally, but non the less, killed by them.
AustinProgramer 4 years ago 3
you might want to stay off the roads, then. Those other drivers are dangerous. Oh, and don't forget to stay out of the grocery store. I hear they sometimes sell bad meat. Wait, what about the baseball park?! Those crazy baseballs can come flying over and hit you on the head. Pull your head out of your ass.
VVMVideo 4 years ago
The only reasonable conclusion is that she killed herself because of mental issues. Thank god her caring family memebers that are on the news now escorted her to rehab.
excellencesixtyfive 4 years ago
Big friggen deal! So what? Police kill blacks like this everyday. So now whites get a little taste and jump on the cry baby sympathy train. Get over it. You want to cry? Cry for Sean Bell or Amadou Diallo.
komjong 4 years ago
She was on drugs . She was on her way to rehab. Someone in her family needed to get her to rehab. The Witness who called CNN got it all wrong.
newenglandvideo 4 years ago
It looks as though she might have had some kind of brain thing. Maybe she freaked, then died, like mad cow or rabies. She doesn't behave like a normal person, so maybe the freak out was something in her brain. OY
smg33030 4 years ago
What a fucking idiot.
julzrulz5 4 years ago
If she were a man, and not a rich white woman-this wouldn't even be on youtube right now.
MattL1130 4 years ago
CNN cant get one storie right. whos running the show over there, bozo the clown??
silvervett5 4 years ago 2
Such dumbass media telling the nation that the non-threatening Gotbaum was tackled down roughly and tazered by "many" cops. What we see here is proof that she was a screaming mental case and she fought and resisted arrest from 2 officers! She says she's "not a terrorist" but how do we know she couldv'e been hired to distract the authorities while more criminals plot something else at the same time anywhere in the airport?
Maybe I watch too much 24! :-)
URJynxed 4 years ago
So, URJynxed, you think its OK to kill a woman if she happens to be a "mental" case? Shame on you.
AustinProgramer 4 years ago
And another thing, her familiy is partially to blame for this. Would you send your loved one, with a severe drinking problem, to a treatment facility across the country ALONE?? With the airport bars, and all the drinks on the plane. Even if she wasn't drunk when this happened, its still irresponsible to send them alone.
VHTcrushes 4 years ago
You don't know her history. She may have been quite a traveler and this incident may have been completely unexpected. How dare you blame the victims!!! Man, you are low.
AustinProgramer 4 years ago
Now, as far as what happened in the holding cell, I have no idea what happened. From the video however you can clearly see she's making a scene. The police approached her, she obviously resisted and it appears to me that she went to the floor, they did NOT tackle her as some wits have said.
VHTcrushes 4 years ago
Do even know why she was going to Tucson??
VHTcrushes 4 years ago
Why does that matter? If someone is unwell, you think the police have the right to kill her?
AustinProgramer 4 years ago
See, maybe you need to read my posts again. I clearly stated that I have no idea what happened in the holding cell and if they did indeed kill her, they should burn. Not sure what their motive would be to do that. But this video shows the cops did exactly what they are taught, and expected to do.
VHTcrushes 4 years ago
Who's blaming the victim? I blame the husband for letting her travel alone.
xxjohnandersonxx 4 years ago 2
Man, thank God for this video. Some of the witnesses said that the police just came up and slammed her down. They didnt do anything like that. This a text book, by the numbers, arrest of someone who's resisting. period Good job fellas. Now there is the matter of the holding cell with NO camera in it??? Bad Idea.
VHTcrushes 4 years ago
That video reveals almost nothing. It is far away and there is no clear view of what transpired on the floor. I have a hard time believing they don't have footage from a closer camera.
AustinProgramer 4 years ago
It's a surveillance tape. No audio.
VVMVideo 4 years ago
The tape reveals plenty. Why do you need to get closer? They didn't brutalize her. She was freaking out enough that they laid her on the ground and slapped cuffs on her and hauled her away. It's what happened after this footage that is the issue. Get real.
VVMVideo 4 years ago
"The tape reveals plenty."
No, it doesn't. People standing nearby say the police were kneeling on her. She's a small woman and that may have damaged her significantly. Due to the cops blocking the view, you can't see whether or not this claim is true.
AustinProgramer 4 years ago
It amazes me to see how the news reports what happened but the video shows the truth. This woman was out of it. Thank you for arresting her.
newenglandvideo 4 years ago
... you're basically saying thank you for killing her... are you retarded.
crackeratcvhs 4 years ago
How's that saying "thank you for killing her", you fucking moron? The woman was resisting arrest in a fucking airport. You don't get a free pass for that.
If she had a problem and was on her way to treatment, she should NOT have been left alone to do it. There's alcohol all over the airport. What a fucking joke.
astrosNLC 4 years ago
She killed herself and her husband let her do it by letting her travel alone.
xxjohnandersonxx 4 years ago 2
Not the angel we were told she was in the news. She was on her way to rehab and if I saw a woman acting like this at the airport I would want her arrested.
nesnman 4 years ago
The media got this wrong , again. She is out of control here.
nesnman 4 years ago
Hey....I have some advice for other nuts out there getting ready to fly. KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!
Some people are on pins and needles about flying. If some crazy women is acting up in an airport she needs to be arrested ASAP. I really DO NOT CARE if she had Mental Problems. If she was in such a bad Mental condition, someone from her family should have been with her....or drove her. Drop the law suite!
excellencesixtyfive 4 years ago
You wrote, "Drop the law suite!" Why, are you personally involved?
AustinProgramer 4 years ago
No.
Someone made some bad choices. She did and her family. Try going into an airport and act strange. Have a cop and/or security officer come up to you and state to them "I'm not a terrorist..." Everyone that acts like she did should be restrained and questioned.
excellencesixtyfive 4 years ago
Restraining her is not the issue in question. The issue in question is KILLING her.
AustinProgramer 4 years ago
She killed herself.
xxjohnandersonxx 4 years ago 2
How many fascists are wanking to this?
opie73 4 years ago 2