If you don't understand what is going on, go look up some of Thane C. Haines work. He already explains how to break Lenz's Law and remove CEMF from a system. Steorn is doing the same thing but in a slightly different way. If you remove CEMF from a system, you essentially get free energy because the load you drive no longer bogs the system down.
I'd be interested to find out what the magnitude of the current is in this demo. Could it simply be that the back-EMF is just swamped by the huge amounts of current in the circuit ? Is a current probe being used instead of measuring the voltage over a shunt resistor so that resistance in the circuit is kept to an absolute minimum, thus keeping the current high ?
THe net result is not practical for what its worth.. I think a nuclear power plant will have much better results.. In thought of electricity generation. Can you scale this to 500Mw eventually? If so would it be practical? Can you make it practical to power a home? Not even close.. 789rpm is nothing special. I spun my electric motor at 1200rpm and I got about 9vdc. You get a little extra, nothing special.
Whilst I'm following this story with eagerness, something at the back of my mind tells me that in the world, as we have it today, this technology would be snapped up by a huge corporation, used for military purposes and the man in the video would be the world's first Trillionaire before we heard anything more of it.
Unless ... those corporations have already bet on fossil fuel to power their empires and think Sean and Orbo are just another joke in a long series of jokes!
At 2:06 you said it is spinning in a "Clockwise" direction, then you reverse the DC inputs and at 3:50 you said it "again is spinning in a Counter-Clockwise" direction. You should have said "Clockwise" the second time.
So the "Laws" of Physics are wrong. No big deal. Leeches were the forefront of medcine 200 years ago...
I hardly think that the Universe gives a flying fuck what current human science and the contemporary anal retentive fanatics have determined is THEIR final endgame.
The Universe is more complex than the current meaningless human consensus in the greater scheme of things.
"Conservation of energy is a law in which almost all of physics is built. [Leeches] were just a cleaner way of blood letting." A quite irrelevant point since we don't know what sources of energy there might be available to tap into. Or have you discovered the 'theory of everything', in which case physicists would be interested to know your theory.
WHAT IS THE REAL PURPOSE OF THIS MOTOR? I MADE AN EXPERIMENT WITH TWO FERRITE TORES and i install in one of my pulse motor and don`t happen nothing........! I did not obtain any benefit...!
What's the real purpose of the recent demonstration? It's clear the team at Steorn are reasonably intelegent - so you would think they could produce a more convincing demonstration than they have. It's as if they aren't trying very hard on purpose.
It sounds like the OU evidence hinges on the observation "there's no variation in current" (as the rotor is accelerating). How much variation in current would disprove your claim? 1% change? 0.1% change? And can the scope trace really distinguish it? Nitpicky, yes, but this type of question is the difference between engineering and self-delusion.
I think the simplest way to explain the ORBO and the most convincing, may be in terms of the force vectors produced by its component parts. The purposes of the parts will then be more clearly highlighted so the logic of the device can be comprehended.
This is great, but it has been done before, and proven to work, but its not covered by mainstream media, and its not covered, but all these people who say they want cheap or free alternative forms of electric energy, I fear it will not get all the attention it deserves, because the oil companies, wont let it, as with all the existing systems, and they do work, the big corps don't want them to work through fear of loosing huge profits, I hope this worlds and becomes the future.
2 points: First of all you act on the battery from time to time (that's what people in chat say), so I cannot believe.
second is that the machine just helps itself. There's no symbol for an output left for us. Eveything happens just within the system. Some say they'd like a lamp, but I'd prefer a toy train with a hamster on it, moving around the system.
The one thing all these demos (decades of miracle motors) lack is simple schematic/magnet specs & configuration, coil winding diagrams, timing charts, etc. so the average garage tinkerer can put one together. It looks simple enough. Replication on a mass scale is what makes it work. No one will make money on this. Upsetting a 700 trillion dollar industry will change things a bit.
But it simply can never make enough force to move something... So it couldt be used as accu but ther it stops, You can not make the magnet stronger so that it become impossible to stop this device with your hands
You can see four stations of three magnets each backed with laminates that probably have a shorted coil around it and or a shorted coil in the hub behind the magnet pairs.
Thane Heinz developed this and it was used in many suppressed free energy devices for the last 100 years.
I could show them how to make it work even better if that is what they are doing.
The nature of your claim, which is substantial, should make it very simple to verify. If this device really does produce energy you can demonstrate this easily without even having to explain how it works and going into the details of electromagnetic interactions. You are not showing us on your orbos on display that the the battery on the orbo device is gaining charge or that more heat is dissipated than the capacity of the battery would allow for.
If the direction of rotation doesn't depend on the polarity of the power supply (as I gather is the case though it was stated incorrectly in the video owing to a slip of the tongue), then what determines that direction?
As I understand it (taking into account the admitted correction from counterclockwise to clockwise in the video, which error I had spotted myself), the rotor doesn't change direction if you reverse the polarity of the applied voltage. What determines that direction (the direction of rotation of dark matter maybe??).
Hmm, this makes the technology yet more believable. But I need to see this power something else. Why hasn't there been much talk about its ability to power other devices? I hope there are plans for such a demonstration in the making.
Even though the stator coils are toroidal, since these coils are still inductive there should still be back EMF developed. Proportional to the rate of current change at switch off. I would like to ask if I may ..are you redirecting the back EMF elsewhere with diodes?
In addition, the torroidal magnets have a 360 degree inductive field so much of the field is not interacting with the rotating magnets. They don't offer an electrical schematic which would be necessary to really explain the operation in detail. From there exploded assembly view, it's not possible to explain the role of the reed switch or what purpose it has in the operation. There's no load on the device even when they are braking it and this makes any electric motor look good.
That field is a function of the current supplied to the magnets and only mildly affected by the rotating magnets. Since the current to the torroidal electromagnets is constant, so is the inductive field. This is a classic resistive-capacitance-inductance homework problem with two parallel inductors -- one really strong (torroidal magnets) and one really weak (rotating magnet).
Hey Steorn, I sent the Introduction video to my cousin who is way more qualified to comment on your experiment than I am. I pasted his response below. Can you address the contents of his critique?
-----------Part 1-------------
They don't see a change in the oscillosope trace during the 'braking' of the rotor because the inductive field is 99.999...% in the four toroidal, inductive-coil electromagnets.
I was wondering if it was necessary to reverse the current direction to obtain the correct operating condition or only to show that it will operate in the same direction regardless of current direction?
If the current is used only to saturate the core material, then reversing the current would make no difference.
2. I can imagine how exited you must have felt for 6 year now, knowing what you had was effective. But also feeling sad that so many instead of being happy did not believe you, and accused you of being frauds or at best deluded.
I am looking forward to your sweet revenge...sweet for everyone, no one excluded.
After all, the oil, nuclear power and coal interests have made enough money to last them many life-times. And Orbo opens up a whole different world of possibilities, for them as well...
1. Thank you Steorn for your to me very satisfying explanation of what you have in store for us as planned demonstrations.
The way you describe them they will certainly shock a lot of skeptics! Good for them. They need a little lesson in having faith in the Good, and will be happy that the were mistaken after all...because what you have in store for all of us with Orbo!
The computer in the scope should be able to integrate the trace without too much trouble and the bandwidth should be more than adequate to handle any spikes present.
Was this something Steorn is planning to do in the course of the demonstrations? Thanks.
At the risk of being a pest, I'll repeat a question I asked in the Steorn forum:
Why not take that superb oscillocope of yours and place the non-contact current probe around one of Orbo's battery wires and connect the differential voltage probe across the battery.
I'm sure everyone would enjoy seeing that set of traces and it could be used to show what the net flow of power is between Orbo and the battery. (continued next post -lack of room)
We are using reed switches on the systems since they are a passive componant - however they are switching an inductive load and despite flyback diodes they do fail every so often.
The requirement for the battery will become clear as the rest of the experiments are made public - the experiments will provide the proof of what Orbo can do over the course of January.
It seems to me that the question of whether or not Orbo produces energy could quickly be put to rest by placing a system inside a calorimeter and allowing it to run. Once the heat produced has exceeded the storage capacity of the battery, that should be all the proof anyone needs.
Hi Steorn, I'm a very interested developer. I work a lot in the sciences and tinker with stuff at home. I would love to start developing this technology. At what point are we likely to see an Over Unity device? I'm defending your company to my friends but I need some support!!
The capacitor is a great idea but it doesn't have to be so large.
But this, "If there is no EMF then that's it for me, I'll do everything I can to build a home unit, because then I know this is absolutely overunity." - shows that you are a complete idiot and have no clue and have no real understanding of how a basic pulse motor works. Because that's all you are looking at, an under unity pulse motor. Poor blind Broli.
I have a question. Why is Lentz's law being focused on here? To me, Lentz's law is irrevelant in this demo.
If I understand it correctly, the motor is not using current to attract or repel a magnet. Instead, what is happening is that by default (without current applied), the magnets in the rotor are attracted to the toroidal cores. When current is applied to the toroidal coil, the core is somehow saturated and loses its ability to attract the rotor magnets. (continued)
Current is applied in pulsed intervals, and the rotor spins as result. But again, current is not used to actually repel or attract the rotor magnets, and Lentz's law only applies in that case.
So it seems that lack of BEMF is easily explained here according to known laws and is not evidence either for or against OU being present.
The point about an Orbo EM interaction is that all of the electrical energy dispates as heat via Jopule heating, and yet the coils do work (rotating the systems rotor). This 100% conversion of elec energy to heat is only possible if you have no BEMF and no induction losses.
Wow, thanks for the quick response. If what you say is true about 100% of the electrical energy dissipating as heat, then you have something.
My objection is that Sean seems to imply that the Orbo somehow violates Lentz's law, and that the absence of BEFM is something unusual and unique here, when in fact it is entirely expected. Many scope shots are then used to demonstrate this irrelevant point.
The focus should be on proving input v. output, thats all, IMHO.
Hi - the experiment that was shown last night is part of a sequence of tests that we will be putting into the public domain, the final experiments showing the net input/output of the system (and addressing the question of if the magnets themselves 'erode'). In order that there is greater transperenecy of this we are doing the tests in a defined order. The key point being that the electrical energy put into the system is all disipated as heat - for this to be ture then there must be no BEMF.
I'd be interested to see some info about the drain on the battery. Maybe replacing the battery with a capacitor would also be an option, but at some point it will become neccessary to demonstrate that the system can at least run without a constant power supply to power it.
The easiest way would be to provide a constant livestream of the demo device with a probe attached to the battery showing that it does not lose charge while driving the motor...
In your next experiments, could you please show the complete wiring from the orbo to all the meters, so we can see the meter is really hooked up to the device.
Please put the whole setup onto such a nice plexiglas rack, so we can see, there are no additional wires.
This whole thing could be big, so we _really_ need to be sure.
Also please capture the experiment with more cams, so the wiring is visible all the time during the experiment and stream this feed to the other video channels on your website. Add a watch or timer (I mean hardware, like an alarmclock :-), which is visible on both cams, so we know, they show the same thing.
Why are the toroid electromagnets on their side during the experiment but facing the rotor in the demo rig? Does positioning change anything and if so what?
No - on the live systems we are using a reed switch, on the eperiment we are using a relay - in this type of application you can get variable resistance during a pulse from a reed switch and this can confuse the data analysis
Actually a very straight forward way to show the lack of back EMF is to simply run it as a generator. That is by attaching a motor to it and using the same opto switches to short the coils instead of the battery.
Another good suggestion!!! In fact this is how we test the systems in house, using an airgun to speed them up and measuring the voltage across the coils in open loop.
Hi - yes another great suggestion - we will be redoing this experiment again in Jan, and we will include the current/voltage traces (showing BEMF) from a normal pulse motor.
You do realize that T.H. Moray referenced Tesla with his system and the F.B.I. witnessed it in operation and validated that it was not a scam, right? I'm not sure what you base this comment on....hmmm.
The technology is real. Applying the technology is another hurdle that needs to be overcome. Understanding the technology seems to be a hurdle for some, but it really is a very simple thing. It will be interesting to discover its limitations.
When I first heard about Steorns new Orbo energy machine, I could not get my arms down. For years people have said, that it was impossible, when I talked about Nicola Tesla and his zero point energy theories. Finally this gift seems to go out to the world, and I wanna thank all you developers at Steorn, for doing this great job. As long as you are not funded by a Rothschield or a Rockefeller fund, im all behind you :)
can we please have a 'control' unit which shows cemf on the scope. You could then also switch the probes across both units to show you have not meddled with the scopes.
Lenz Law is the reason why magnet motors cannot be OU. It seems like Steorn has found a way to get around Lenz Law. Its stunning their system has no back EMF. If their system experienced back EMF (counter EMF) the current would decrease at high speed and increase under load at lower speed. Instead, their current/voltage remains the same under load and under no load.
Well, not exactly. CEMF always exists where inductance is present, however it may not manifest itself as counter torque. These are two different things. Additionally, CEMF can be neutralized by application of the Superposition Theorem. ORBO technology is simply decoupled from the magnetic interaction so that the driver current is never engaged with the rotor magnetic field. Therefore, any load on the rotor is not transferred to the source - like De Palma's N machine.
Magnets can be either two South or two North poles outward(closest to the toroids). This causes the magnet field to extend to the toroids. It you have an alternating polarity of the magnets pointing outwards, then the fields will loop back to either magnet and not really hit the toroid
Before anyone could do their own testing, there are basically three unknowns factors at this time.
1: The polarity of the rotor magnets.
2: The coil core material.
3: The pulse timing of the rotor to coil position.
Is the current pulse applied to the coil when the rotor magnets are centered on the coil, before center. What is the theory of operation on how it rotates. Is it working by repelling the rotor magnets, attracting the rotor magnets, or change in core permeability?
The timing looks relatively easy to reverse-engineer. The black disk has a 4-way symmetry and you can see that the center of the four "petals" seem to be roughly aligned with the position of the coils. Of course we still need to determine the width of the gaps and we don't know the position of the detector (the phase). According to Sean, during the gaps is when current is applied to the system (he says that around 1m10s). It's surprising that such a simple system could be novel in any way.
Also, the ratio of time while the coils are on vs. off should be very easy to figure out by looking at the traces in the oscilloscope. So all that is left from point 3 is the phase.
The question is, if the mechanical attraction of the magnets to the ferrite (distance x force) cores of the toroidal coils are bigger than the used energy pulse to energize the toroidal coils. But surely you can get 90 % of the electrical input energy back, when recycling the BackEMF from the coils...
If you don't understand what is going on, go look up some of Thane C. Haines work. He already explains how to break Lenz's Law and remove CEMF from a system. Steorn is doing the same thing but in a slightly different way. If you remove CEMF from a system, you essentially get free energy because the load you drive no longer bogs the system down.
pha3zme 2 years ago
I'd be interested to find out what the magnitude of the current is in this demo. Could it simply be that the back-EMF is just swamped by the huge amounts of current in the circuit ? Is a current probe being used instead of measuring the voltage over a shunt resistor so that resistance in the circuit is kept to an absolute minimum, thus keeping the current high ?
utdgrant 2 years ago
Violating the very basic laws of physics and not disclosing to a group of neutral scientist ist simply not how you raise confidence.
gyrocopterkai 2 years ago
sigh, I wish I paid attention in college. This seems like a pretty interesting topic to debate. lol
Nikon05 2 years ago
Comment pending approval, I wonder if my last will show
luc59457 2 years ago
THe net result is not practical for what its worth.. I think a nuclear power plant will have much better results.. In thought of electricity generation. Can you scale this to 500Mw eventually? If so would it be practical? Can you make it practical to power a home? Not even close.. 789rpm is nothing special. I spun my electric motor at 1200rpm and I got about 9vdc. You get a little extra, nothing special.
luc59457 2 years ago
Have any of you heard of Coral Castle?
speedrecovery 2 years ago
Please give us some more information... quicker...
This is more teasing then a swimsuit contest!
pingpongme 2 years ago
You should tell folks the voltage channel has clipped the whole signal, and any CEMF would not and could not be seen on this demonstration.
The scopes shots are messed up.
lostcauses10x 2 years ago
Whilst I'm following this story with eagerness, something at the back of my mind tells me that in the world, as we have it today, this technology would be snapped up by a huge corporation, used for military purposes and the man in the video would be the world's first Trillionaire before we heard anything more of it.
I hope my niggling doubt is wrong.
TheHolySpirit 2 years ago
Unless ... those corporations have already bet on fossil fuel to power their empires and think Sean and Orbo are just another joke in a long series of jokes!
EconoChallenge 2 years ago
@EconoChallenge Then they sould make it Open source... so nobody could stop it. And I mean Buildable open source.. not Joey Cell hocus Pocus!
RinoXX 1 year ago
If possible could you also demonstrate your original Orbo, the one that had no wires or batteries, just magnets and plastic.
energytruth 2 years ago 28
Looking forward to the re-opening of this site with live feeds - just a few more days and many questions will start to be answered.
betterthanfire1 2 years ago
I know some of the rigs are taken away for adustment / repairs. I can accept this might be necessary.
But do you also change or charge the batteries before they are returned, or have they been running with the same set??
I know you can't prove one way or the other on this point, but a response would still be useful.
Thanx
hardwudwedjie 2 years ago
At 2:06 you said it is spinning in a "Clockwise" direction, then you reverse the DC inputs and at 3:50 you said it "again is spinning in a Counter-Clockwise" direction. You should have said "Clockwise" the second time.
u02incw 2 years ago
Thank You so much God Bless The Irish
i am proud to have Irsh blood in me xx
BRILLIANT
gwellyn 2 years ago
So the "Laws" of Physics are wrong. No big deal. Leeches were the forefront of medcine 200 years ago...
I hardly think that the Universe gives a flying fuck what current human science and the contemporary anal retentive fanatics have determined is THEIR final endgame.
The Universe is more complex than the current meaningless human consensus in the greater scheme of things.
Well done Steron.
nonearthlychildren 2 years ago
@nonearthlychildren
Not only are leeches still used in modern western medicine, you can hardly compare the two.
Conservation of energy is a law in which almost all of physics is built. Leaches were just a cleaner way of blood letting.
2007ASpaceOdyssey 2 years ago
"Conservation of energy is a law in which almost all of physics is built. [Leeches] were just a cleaner way of blood letting." A quite irrelevant point since we don't know what sources of energy there might be available to tap into. Or have you discovered the 'theory of everything', in which case physicists would be interested to know your theory.
cogito2 2 years ago
WHAT IS THE REAL PURPOSE OF THIS MOTOR? I MADE AN EXPERIMENT WITH TWO FERRITE TORES and i install in one of my pulse motor and don`t happen nothing........! I did not obtain any benefit...!
skycollection 2 years ago
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RivetSTL 2 years ago
What's the real purpose of the recent demonstration? It's clear the team at Steorn are reasonably intelegent - so you would think they could produce a more convincing demonstration than they have. It's as if they aren't trying very hard on purpose.
ColinWatters 2 years ago 2
@ColinWatters They are not trying to convince you... They are trying to show the technology off to the scientists around the world.
Once this technology is available on the market you will buy it
nauge 2 years ago
Have any batteries been harmed during the December demo run? Have any been depleted and required recharging?
WhipMag 2 years ago
QUESTION to Steorn:
Please Address!!!!
"Why are using 'batteries' and not capacitors????"
twohseven 2 years ago 7
It sounds like the OU evidence hinges on the observation "there's no variation in current" (as the rotor is accelerating). How much variation in current would disprove your claim? 1% change? 0.1% change? And can the scope trace really distinguish it? Nitpicky, yes, but this type of question is the difference between engineering and self-delusion.
spiel496 2 years ago
Hi Sean,
I think the simplest way to explain the ORBO and the most convincing, may be in terms of the force vectors produced by its component parts. The purposes of the parts will then be more clearly highlighted so the logic of the device can be comprehended.
Best,
Grant
granthodges1 2 years ago
A pulse motor can run for months on a batt; replace the battery with an ultracapacitor, please.
azporta 2 years ago 5
Want to prove this? Hook the damn thing up to a light bulb that uses more current than the input!
Digeridude 2 years ago 9
The key to understanding where the energy is coming from is to consider that the earth is in motion at 18.5 miles per second.
The second thing is to consider that the electric field has 2 components; light and heavy waves and particles.
The third thing is that acceleration of the light, half spin particles produces a clock rate variation in the light side of the electric field.
The earth motion causes the electric field to destabilize. The Static (Inertial) field pours energy in. Yeah
pjrsullivan 2 years ago
When displaying instrument readings, a schematic should also be shown to indicate just what readings are being taken and where they are taken from.
Instrument settings should also be clearly show. What are the increment values and timing?
WhipMag 2 years ago 2
When are you getting Eric Ash to look at it?
wikichris 2 years ago
This is great, but it has been done before, and proven to work, but its not covered by mainstream media, and its not covered, but all these people who say they want cheap or free alternative forms of electric energy, I fear it will not get all the attention it deserves, because the oil companies, wont let it, as with all the existing systems, and they do work, the big corps don't want them to work through fear of loosing huge profits, I hope this worlds and becomes the future.
neo58421964 2 years ago
2 points: First of all you act on the battery from time to time (that's what people in chat say), so I cannot believe.
second is that the machine just helps itself. There's no symbol for an output left for us. Eveything happens just within the system. Some say they'd like a lamp, but I'd prefer a toy train with a hamster on it, moving around the system.
doubledot1 2 years ago
Very interesting, look forward to future video's
ruuman 2 years ago 4
The one thing all these demos (decades of miracle motors) lack is simple schematic/magnet specs & configuration, coil winding diagrams, timing charts, etc. so the average garage tinkerer can put one together. It looks simple enough. Replication on a mass scale is what makes it work. No one will make money on this. Upsetting a 700 trillion dollar industry will change things a bit.
apryason 2 years ago
But it simply can never make enough force to move something... So it couldt be used as accu but ther it stops, You can not make the magnet stronger so that it become impossible to stop this device with your hands
RijenRijen 2 years ago
Hi, you guys probably get this Q lots. Can you show the eOrbo self-running on a small capacitor instead of that battery?
energytruth 2 years ago 7
You can see four stations of three magnets each backed with laminates that probably have a shorted coil around it and or a shorted coil in the hub behind the magnet pairs.
Thane Heinz developed this and it was used in many suppressed free energy devices for the last 100 years.
I could show them how to make it work even better if that is what they are doing.
QuarkToo 2 years ago
Suppressed my ass. Where is the suppression now? Why aren't the MIBs all over Steorn?
waseatenbyagrue 2 years ago 2
God created whiskey to keep the Irish from taking over. Unfortunately, they created the Orbo...
God 0
Irish 1
QuarkToo 2 years ago
Ha ha ha ha. Thanks for that.
Unfortunately, given the newest revelations on what the catholic church has been up to it's:
God 1
Irish 1
Still plenty of action to come in the second half though.
(Don't mention the own goal scored by the bankers and Fianna Fail, the ref didn't see it).
FreindlyRanger 2 years ago
Let's update that: Woman clotheslines Pope in the Vatican.
God 1
Irish 2
THEFRANKLINFILM 2 years ago
God hates the rat faced pope. That is why he got clotheslined in the first place.
God 2
Irish 2
This may go into overtime and end in armegeddon. My money is on the Irish.
QuarkToo 2 years ago
For being (in this instance) completely wrong, I'm unilaterally docking both God and the Irish 1000000 points.
God -999998
Irish -999998
First one back to 0, umm, ends up exactly where they started, having wasted a lot of time.
Carry on...
MrTomFish 2 years ago
The nature of your claim, which is substantial, should make it very simple to verify. If this device really does produce energy you can demonstrate this easily without even having to explain how it works and going into the details of electromagnetic interactions. You are not showing us on your orbos on display that the the battery on the orbo device is gaining charge or that more heat is dissipated than the capacity of the battery would allow for.
nikiwind1 2 years ago 2
They were pretty clear that they're going to do that after the new year's holiday, in the next tech demo videos.
nrose 2 years ago 2
Hi, wouldn't it be possible to make an overunity transformer utilising magnets by using the ORBO principles. IE a solid state OU device?
m1a9r9s9 2 years ago
If the direction of rotation doesn't depend on the polarity of the power supply (as I gather is the case though it was stated incorrectly in the video owing to a slip of the tongue), then what determines that direction?
cogito2 2 years ago
Question: has this ORBO on display less power then 1,25 Watt ?
bambomamboatlas 2 years ago
Well done Steorn !
You have a valid OU motor !
Hi All,
technical discussion is going on over here:
overunity(.)com /in de x.p hp ?to pic = 8411
Please remove the brackets and the spaces to get to the forum.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
overunitydotcom 2 years ago
that thing on your youtube site doesnt give free energy. you able to move it around but it doesnt make energy enough
than that OU motor isnt that a difrent concept ? its a very big thing. and Why if its so great he not get much attention?
RijenRijen 2 years ago
You might want to get a different probe than the HZ 109. It limits are showing in the scope shots.
lostcauses10x 2 years ago 2
Steorn, could you upload video with higher resolution, may be at 720p or 1080p? so that we can observe the scope settings/status.
chanwaijye 2 years ago 2
yes, would appreciate higher resolution too :)
youarelackluster 2 years ago 2
QUESTION: (Sean said "question only via YouTube Channel): HOW MUCH is POWER of ORBO on display? Including heat emission is it less than 1,5 Watt ?
bambomamboatlas 2 years ago
As I understand it (taking into account the admitted correction from counterclockwise to clockwise in the video, which error I had spotted myself), the rotor doesn't change direction if you reverse the polarity of the applied voltage. What determines that direction (the direction of rotation of dark matter maybe??).
cogito2 2 years ago
Steorn, can you share with us what the volts and amps per division on the 'scope traces are?
Or more exactly during the part of the cycle where current is flowing what current is measured and what is the voltage at that point ?
drelectr0 2 years ago 3
Hmm, this makes the technology yet more believable. But I need to see this power something else. Why hasn't there been much talk about its ability to power other devices? I hope there are plans for such a demonstration in the making.
TerraGamerX 2 years ago 2
Are those ring magnets an example application of your ZeroF bearings?
WhipMag 2 years ago 2
Even though the stator coils are toroidal, since these coils are still inductive there should still be back EMF developed. Proportional to the rate of current change at switch off. I would like to ask if I may ..are you redirecting the back EMF elsewhere with diodes?
smokyatgroups 2 years ago 2
Continued Part 3-
In addition, the torroidal magnets have a 360 degree inductive field so much of the field is not interacting with the rotating magnets. They don't offer an electrical schematic which would be necessary to really explain the operation in detail. From there exploded assembly view, it's not possible to explain the role of the reed switch or what purpose it has in the operation. There's no load on the device even when they are braking it and this makes any electric motor look good.
fizorzed 2 years ago 3
Surely braking the device is a way of applying a load on it?
davidrigel 2 years ago
Continued Part 2-
That field is a function of the current supplied to the magnets and only mildly affected by the rotating magnets. Since the current to the torroidal electromagnets is constant, so is the inductive field. This is a classic resistive-capacitance-inductance homework problem with two parallel inductors -- one really strong (torroidal magnets) and one really weak (rotating magnet).
fizorzed 2 years ago 2
Hey Steorn, I sent the Introduction video to my cousin who is way more qualified to comment on your experiment than I am. I pasted his response below. Can you address the contents of his critique?
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They don't see a change in the oscillosope trace during the 'braking' of the rotor because the inductive field is 99.999...% in the four toroidal, inductive-coil electromagnets.
Continued.....
fizorzed 2 years ago 2
I was wondering if it was necessary to reverse the current direction to obtain the correct operating condition or only to show that it will operate in the same direction regardless of current direction?
If the current is used only to saturate the core material, then reversing the current would make no difference.
lumen0 2 years ago
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LLangeweg 2 years ago
2. I can imagine how exited you must have felt for 6 year now, knowing what you had was effective. But also feeling sad that so many instead of being happy did not believe you, and accused you of being frauds or at best deluded.
I am looking forward to your sweet revenge...sweet for everyone, no one excluded.
After all, the oil, nuclear power and coal interests have made enough money to last them many life-times. And Orbo opens up a whole different world of possibilities, for them as well...
LLangeweg 2 years ago
1. Thank you Steorn for your to me very satisfying explanation of what you have in store for us as planned demonstrations.
The way you describe them they will certainly shock a lot of skeptics! Good for them. They need a little lesson in having faith in the Good, and will be happy that the were mistaken after all...because what you have in store for all of us with Orbo!
LLangeweg 2 years ago
Sorry still confused -- are you replying BELOW the question? Now the time stamps seem scrambled. Sorry! :-) I'm easily confused.
littlehaste 2 years ago
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LLangeweg 2 years ago
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The computer in the scope should be able to integrate the trace without too much trouble and the bandwidth should be more than adequate to handle any spikes present.
Was this something Steorn is planning to do in the course of the demonstrations? Thanks.
littlehaste 2 years ago 2
At the risk of being a pest, I'll repeat a question I asked in the Steorn forum:
Why not take that superb oscillocope of yours and place the non-contact current probe around one of Orbo's battery wires and connect the differential voltage probe across the battery.
I'm sure everyone would enjoy seeing that set of traces and it could be used to show what the net flow of power is between Orbo and the battery. (continued next post -lack of room)
littlehaste 2 years ago 4
We will be doing that :-)
SteornOfficial 2 years ago
We have all seen the demo devices being changed mid-demo. What components are failing and being fixed?
WhipMag 2 years ago 5
We are using reed switches on the systems since they are a passive componant - however they are switching an inductive load and despite flyback diodes they do fail every so often.
SteornOfficial 2 years ago
Do you think it would be possible to change the reed switches in view of the webcam? We only have your word to say that the batteries aren't changed.
sallyturnstock 2 years ago
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lostcauses10x 2 years ago
Sean/Steorn: You said you'd reply to "rational" questions. I TRULY hope this qualifies.
As a rational person, I MUST consider the possibility that the demo units are nothing more
than battery-powered machines.
What I'd like to see, what the world NEEDS to see, is an implementation that leaves
just two rational explanations: 1) There is a hidden power source or, 2) You have what you
claim to have.
Do you plan to demonstrate such a system?
I will eagerly & respectfully await a reply.
amasters46250 2 years ago
The requirement for the battery will become clear as the rest of the experiments are made public - the experiments will provide the proof of what Orbo can do over the course of January.
SteornOfficial 2 years ago
Hi Steorn,
It seems to me that the question of whether or not Orbo produces energy could quickly be put to rest by placing a system inside a calorimeter and allowing it to run. Once the heat produced has exceeded the storage capacity of the battery, that should be all the proof anyone needs.
stewartmoughon 2 years ago 4
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LLangeweg 2 years ago
Hi Steorn, I'm a very interested developer. I work a lot in the sciences and tinker with stuff at home. I would love to start developing this technology. At what point are we likely to see an Over Unity device? I'm defending your company to my friends but I need some support!!
sallyturnstock 2 years ago
I would suggest replacing the battery by a D sized ultra capacitor, for instance like the maxwell BCAP0350 350F capacitor.
This is a capacitor that operates at 2.7 Volt and can give 20 amps continuous for about 30s depending on the load.
Combining such a capacitor with a simple digital voltage lcd panel will get rid of any energy gain doubt.
broli123 2 years ago 9
The capacitor is a great idea but it doesn't have to be so large.
But this, "If there is no EMF then that's it for me, I'll do everything I can to build a home unit, because then I know this is absolutely overunity." - shows that you are a complete idiot and have no clue and have no real understanding of how a basic pulse motor works. Because that's all you are looking at, an under unity pulse motor. Poor blind Broli.
User2718218 2 years ago
SuperFAIL Broli! You are a "free energy" fascist. LOL
User2718218 2 years ago
it would be interesting to connect a few computers or any other electrical gadget in the orbo and show it on live.
salbajillo 2 years ago 2
I have a question. Why is Lentz's law being focused on here? To me, Lentz's law is irrevelant in this demo.
If I understand it correctly, the motor is not using current to attract or repel a magnet. Instead, what is happening is that by default (without current applied), the magnets in the rotor are attracted to the toroidal cores. When current is applied to the toroidal coil, the core is somehow saturated and loses its ability to attract the rotor magnets. (continued)
waseatenbyagrue 2 years ago
Current is applied in pulsed intervals, and the rotor spins as result. But again, current is not used to actually repel or attract the rotor magnets, and Lentz's law only applies in that case.
So it seems that lack of BEMF is easily explained here according to known laws and is not evidence either for or against OU being present.
Any comments?
waseatenbyagrue 2 years ago
The point about an Orbo EM interaction is that all of the electrical energy dispates as heat via Jopule heating, and yet the coils do work (rotating the systems rotor). This 100% conversion of elec energy to heat is only possible if you have no BEMF and no induction losses.
SteornOfficial 2 years ago
@SteornOfficial
Wow, thanks for the quick response. If what you say is true about 100% of the electrical energy dissipating as heat, then you have something.
My objection is that Sean seems to imply that the Orbo somehow violates Lentz's law, and that the absence of BEFM is something unusual and unique here, when in fact it is entirely expected. Many scope shots are then used to demonstrate this irrelevant point.
The focus should be on proving input v. output, thats all, IMHO.
waseatenbyagrue 2 years ago 5
Hi - the experiment that was shown last night is part of a sequence of tests that we will be putting into the public domain, the final experiments showing the net input/output of the system (and addressing the question of if the magnets themselves 'erode'). In order that there is greater transperenecy of this we are doing the tests in a defined order. The key point being that the electrical energy put into the system is all disipated as heat - for this to be ture then there must be no BEMF.
SteornOfficial 2 years ago
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k4zep 2 years ago
I'd be interested to see some info about the drain on the battery. Maybe replacing the battery with a capacitor would also be an option, but at some point it will become neccessary to demonstrate that the system can at least run without a constant power supply to power it.
The easiest way would be to provide a constant livestream of the demo device with a probe attached to the battery showing that it does not lose charge while driving the motor...
CommanderROR 2 years ago 5
Hi there,
In your next experiments, could you please show the complete wiring from the orbo to all the meters, so we can see the meter is really hooked up to the device.
Please put the whole setup onto such a nice plexiglas rack, so we can see, there are no additional wires.
This whole thing could be big, so we _really_ need to be sure.
greetings from germany and happy holidays!
jashel :-)
eljashel 2 years ago 3
Also please capture the experiment with more cams, so the wiring is visible all the time during the experiment and stream this feed to the other video channels on your website. Add a watch or timer (I mean hardware, like an alarmclock :-), which is visible on both cams, so we know, they show the same thing.
eljashel 2 years ago 2
@SteornOfficial
Can we learn how the magnetic poles of the magnet pairs are chosen or it is a still a secret?
Are they N-N or N-S?
Thanks, Gyula
gyulasun 2 years ago 2
Why are the toroid electromagnets on their side during the experiment but facing the rotor in the demo rig? Does positioning change anything and if so what?
makeitlookreal 2 years ago 2
Is Admin on duty and SteornOfficial same group/person?
Knowlegable as to unit operation?
k4zep 2 years ago
SteornOfficial is the only official poster from Steorn.
SteornOfficial 2 years ago
Is it the same switches in the demo and the motor?? They look different to me, why??
hardwudwedjie 2 years ago
No - on the live systems we are using a reed switch, on the eperiment we are using a relay - in this type of application you can get variable resistance during a pulse from a reed switch and this can confuse the data analysis
SteornOfficial 2 years ago
Ok, thanks. How about the bearings?? The diagram says they are "special" I think. Are these identical?
Could the demo be put on its end so the wheel is face on?? This would make it look like a "plan" of the demo if it can run like this.
hardwudwedjie 2 years ago
What is the maximum percentage of back EMF reduction you have been able to achieve?
makeitlookreal 2 years ago 2
If care is taken with the setup, then 100% cancellation is possible.
SteornOfficial 2 years ago
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k4zep 2 years ago
Actually a very straight forward way to show the lack of back EMF is to simply run it as a generator. That is by attaching a motor to it and using the same opto switches to short the coils instead of the battery.
broli123 2 years ago 4
Another good suggestion!!! In fact this is how we test the systems in house, using an airgun to speed them up and measuring the voltage across the coils in open loop.
SteornOfficial 2 years ago
Why don't you show one motor in a mode that produces CEMF and then show a second motor in Orbo mode that does not produce CEMF?
makeitlookreal 2 years ago 2
Hi - yes another great suggestion - we will be redoing this experiment again in Jan, and we will include the current/voltage traces (showing BEMF) from a normal pulse motor.
SteornOfficial 2 years ago
When you say clockwise and then anticlockwise and the swap the battery, is this a mistake?? Should it be clockwise both times?? Thanks.
hardwudwedjie 2 years ago 3
Yes - it should say clockwise both times.
SteornOfficial 2 years ago
Thanks. I know you will redo but what shape should a normal motor with CEMF look like on your scope??
hardwudwedjie 2 years ago
You do realize that T.H. Moray referenced Tesla with his system and the F.B.I. witnessed it in operation and validated that it was not a scam, right? I'm not sure what you base this comment on....hmmm.
AdminOnDuty 2 years ago
The technology is real. Applying the technology is another hurdle that needs to be overcome. Understanding the technology seems to be a hurdle for some, but it really is a very simple thing. It will be interesting to discover its limitations.
AdminOnDuty 2 years ago
When I first heard about Steorns new Orbo energy machine, I could not get my arms down. For years people have said, that it was impossible, when I talked about Nicola Tesla and his zero point energy theories. Finally this gift seems to go out to the world, and I wanna thank all you developers at Steorn, for doing this great job. As long as you are not funded by a Rothschield or a Rockefeller fund, im all behind you :)
BudhistPanda 2 years ago 2
can we please have a 'control' unit which shows cemf on the scope. You could then also switch the probes across both units to show you have not meddled with the scopes.
greenemso 2 years ago 2
Hi Greenemso - excellent suggestion - we will include this in future experiment (during which we will show this test again).
SteornOfficial 2 years ago
Lenz Law is the reason why magnet motors cannot be OU. It seems like Steorn has found a way to get around Lenz Law. Its stunning their system has no back EMF. If their system experienced back EMF (counter EMF) the current would decrease at high speed and increase under load at lower speed. Instead, their current/voltage remains the same under load and under no load.
This technology could be revolutionary.
amightyorboman 2 years ago 3
This experiment was awesome. If you can produce torque without CEMF then you have an overunity machine!
makeitlookreal 2 years ago
Well, not exactly. CEMF always exists where inductance is present, however it may not manifest itself as counter torque. These are two different things. Additionally, CEMF can be neutralized by application of the Superposition Theorem. ORBO technology is simply decoupled from the magnetic interaction so that the driver current is never engaged with the rotor magnetic field. Therefore, any load on the rotor is not transferred to the source - like De Palma's N machine.
AdminOnDuty 2 years ago
Magnets can be either two South or two North poles outward(closest to the toroids). This causes the magnet field to extend to the toroids. It you have an alternating polarity of the magnets pointing outwards, then the fields will loop back to either magnet and not really hit the toroid
brian165fe 2 years ago 2
I think you want alternating poles so any induced current in the coil is canceled but the both are attracted to the core.
AdminOnDuty 2 years ago
seems real.
enantiomer2000 2 years ago
counterEMF less - Wicked.
i've Generated .60a
Energizing 5 Ultra Caps. (esr: 2.2)
Motor Draw Under Generating Load: 3.20a No Load 3.00a
The Electric & Kinetic Powered Vehicle
nja2015 2 years ago 2
Before anyone could do their own testing, there are basically three unknowns factors at this time.
1: The polarity of the rotor magnets.
2: The coil core material.
3: The pulse timing of the rotor to coil position.
Is the current pulse applied to the coil when the rotor magnets are centered on the coil, before center. What is the theory of operation on how it rotates. Is it working by repelling the rotor magnets, attracting the rotor magnets, or change in core permeability?
lumen0 2 years ago 4
The timing looks relatively easy to reverse-engineer. The black disk has a 4-way symmetry and you can see that the center of the four "petals" seem to be roughly aligned with the position of the coils. Of course we still need to determine the width of the gaps and we don't know the position of the detector (the phase). According to Sean, during the gaps is when current is applied to the system (he says that around 1m10s). It's surprising that such a simple system could be novel in any way.
davidrigel 2 years ago 2
Also, the ratio of time while the coils are on vs. off should be very easy to figure out by looking at the traces in the oscilloscope. So all that is left from point 3 is the phase.
davidrigel 2 years ago 2
The current is on approximately 22% of each cycle per the trace from 3m48s.
davidrigel 2 years ago
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k4zep 2 years ago
Try turning on the coil only on the out-swing - N/S
AdminOnDuty 2 years ago
The question is, if the mechanical attraction of the magnets to the ferrite (distance x force) cores of the toroidal coils are bigger than the used energy pulse to energize the toroidal coils. But surely you can get 90 % of the electrical input energy back, when recycling the BackEMF from the coils...
So I think it is a valid OU motor concept.
Regards, Stefan.
overunitydotcom 2 years ago
Seems they have a valid counterEMF less(Lenz law violation) motor
which brings up the possibility to produce greater mechanical torque power than inputed electrical power.
overunitydotcom 2 years ago 2
Nice,
morphaus 2 years ago 2
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k4zep 2 years ago
Keep the info coming, guys. The world is hungry for this information. We NEED this technology.
dtmbcorp 2 years ago 2