How Can I not lose salvation? Is Faith in Christ enough to be saved? Look: "Faith Without Works is Dead" (James 2:14-26). I take an example: Somebody believes in Christ. He says:"I'm saved. I'm crucified with Christ". But daily: he spit in the face of people, he hit other people, he's watching pornography, his is cheating his wife, he hit his children,...and such a person should be saved, just because he goes to church, he read the bible and "believe" in Christ?You see how ridiculous that is.
@lessthandust Hello there. Yes, I sure agree with you. If we are to inherit eternal life then we must walk as Jesus did as it says in 1 John 2:6. God bless, Mick
Sure, nobody can try to work out the salvation of others. It's impossible. You can just pray for others or tell people about Christ.
We have been crucified with Christ. Yes! And? That doesn't mean that I can say: "I no longer live, but Christ lives in me." To can say that, my own will have first to die for the will of God.
I sometimes very shocked when I see that some people put themselves on the same spiritual level like Saint Paul.
you can not claim something what is not written. If Jesus would mean the earthly Kingdom, he had said that. You make the difference by your own will. Look, he says: "I never knew you. Away from me..." !!! And: Philippians 2:12: "continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling" And how to love Jesus? See: John 14;15: "If you love me, keep my commands." That's the true teaching of the holy orthodox church.
Furthermore, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evil-doers (literally means you who practice lawlessness)!’” (Matthew 7:21-23).
There's no automatically forgiveness. We have first to confess and to repent so that Jesus can forgive us. We can not find, have salvation by good doings, only by his mercy, true! but we can lose it by bad doings.
8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
@386ABC Ah, I couldn't see what you were getting at. Then can you tell me the application of the parable? Who is this master presently away and who can assign a man to hell when He returns? God bless, Mick
@386ABC Hello there. If you check the parable again you will see that it is talking about the Master being away and leaving the servant in charge. Clearly, Jesus is referring to His being away and His return to reward or condemn. What else could it be about? God bless, Mick
@386ABC Hello there. The servant was either saved or lost. There is no in between, is there? We go to heaven or hell. Jesus said that if He returned and found the servant still doing good when He returned then He would put him in charge of all His possessions. So, do you think that Jesus would put a lost man in charge of His possessions? Obviously when Jesus calls a servant a faithful and wise manager He is talking about a saved soul. God bless, Mick
I believe all these verses he spoke of, I just have reason to believe that osas does make more sense in that there are those who backslide because they never knew him, and those who backslide and come back because they were saved and remembered. So, I believe once we truly know him, we will walk in the spirit and remain saved always. But, if we don't truly know him, we may not truly be saved yet. I was confused still before hearing this, so this has clarified that I do believe the osas belief.
@believeroftruth1st If you look at the parable in Luke 12:42-46 you will see that the servant was saved because Jesus said that He would reward him if he was still going good when Jesus returned. However, if Jesus returns and finds that SAME servant in sin then he will be sent to hell. This is too clear to miss. The servant's actions would determined whether he would be rewarded or condemned. God bless, Mick
This topic always a good one for debate - LOL. I agree with Jardenix, you can't be unborn from a divine nature. As Paul said, NOW when I sin, it is NO LONGER I who do it, but the sin that is in me (see the separation = holiness!). Of course it is no longer I who do it, how could it be, when I have been born from above??? So how does THAT become undone?
It is possible to know Jesus and to have an "association" with the Holy Spirit, but to never have been committed.
Now that I'm saved, it is no longer I who sin, but it's the sin that is in me (my body). I am now separated from sin, and that is exactly what holiness is. I have been made holy. Jesus said that a good tree cannot bear bad fruit. At death, my body, with it's bad fruit, will remain here and turn to dust. My born again essence (soul/spirit) will be as holy as can be, and fit for Heaven.
But let me make it clear, God calls us to live holy lives now, and will discipline us sorely if we regard sin in our lives. We should fear God, however, this does not affect our qualifications for Heaven. As they say, "It's not the perfection of our walk, but rather the direction of our walk. On average, we should be moving ever closer to holiness in our body if we are the "real thing".
@MandrewP I find the likes of Luke 12:42-46 too plain speaking to believe that believers can't lose their salvation. In the parable, a faithful servant can either be reward or be assigned a place with the unbelievers, in hell of course. Also, a branch can be cut out of the Vine and be burnt (John 15). There are dozens more I can quote. What verses do you use to believe that one can have an 'association' with the Spirit and not be saved?
This forum is too small to properly discuss this topic, unless I made a video response which I'm not setup to do at present. We could go back and forth for years, no? (LOL).
In any case, iron sharpens iron. Take care brother and God bless.
Don't get confused, people who tell you they are under grace but live a habitual life of sin, have most likely never "known" (1 John 3:6) God. It is possible to believe in the eternal security of the saints AND live a holy life.
Yes, I agree with you on both counts but the Bible also talks of saved people who backslide and fall away - like the faithful servant in Luke 12:42-46. It is those that I hope to reach because without holiness no one will see the Lord.
Trusting God is trusting God forever - you can't just trust God and then stop trusting God - you were never really saved, you either trust Him or you don't. The parable of Luke mentioned in the beginning - Jesus was speaking to "religious" unbelievers, there people who believe in God - and appear to be saved, they were people who went to Church, read there Bibles, etc. But where never truly saved - they never trusted God for Salvation - so when judgement time came, God spoke Matthew 7:21-23.
1st Timothy 4:1-3 speaks about the unsaved also, there people who teach false doctrines, like Catholics and Mormons, there the two biggest religions and the masses of society is pulling toward them and departing from the "faith", meaning genuine Christianity. The context of 2nd Timothy 2:12-13 are on the topic of belief - if we believe not. If you don't believe you won't be saved, you denied God and He will Deny you unless you seek forgiveness.
2nd Peter 2:20:22 can be interpreted that way but then a believe would have to go through the process of being "unborn", which the Bible never mentions a word of it. Jesus never said anything about being born again and again, the Spiritual birth occurs once, just as he physical birth occurs once, and that cannot be reversed. And if those scriptures to apply to the saved, where does Ephesians 2:8-9 come in? The Gift of God? If you have to live right to keep God's gift then it was never a gift.
2nd Peter 2:20-22 means the unsaved who have been taught how to be saved, and understand that sinning is wrong, they were enlightened, they knew the to righteousness. But they chose to reject it - they rejected God's sacred command to be saved. It was better for them to die ignorant from the Gospel and go to Hell than to die, rejecting the Gospel and facing and angry God. They "knew" Jesus in a sense of the person, they never had a relationship with him.
John 15:1-7 Jesus is talking about "useless" Christians. There unproductive Christians. There believers who fail to abide in Christ. Christians abide in Christ by abiding in the Word of God - many believers fail to do so. In these verses Jesus spoke of selfish believers who are choked by the cares and riches of this life (Luke 8:14). Repenting is realising your guilt before God, that your a sinner - when you trust Jesus to save you you already have repented - trusting Jesus is repenting.
Hello Jardenix. The 'useless' Christians in John 15:1-7 are the Apostles. The conversation took place in the Upper Room before Jesus was crucified. He was speaking directly to the Apostles as there was no one else there. He wasn't speak 'about' anyone, He was speaking 'to' the 11 remaining disciples as Judas left earlier on. Also, Jesus would not call Himself the Vine and people branches if they were not 'in Him'. Anyone in Christ is saved but can be cut out and lost. God bless, Mick
You say the man was never saved?? Why then do vs.43-44 say that the Master (Jesus) will put him in charge of all His possessions? Regarding trusting forever, 2 Tim. 2:12 says that man can disown Him and you can only disown something you already own; 1 Thess. 4:8 says that saved men (read v.7) can reject God and 2 Pet 2:20-22 say that saved men can turn their back on God and be worse off than if they had never been saved. There are many more such examples. God bless, Mick
How Can I not lose salvation? Is Faith in Christ enough to be saved? Look: "Faith Without Works is Dead" (James 2:14-26). I take an example: Somebody believes in Christ. He says:"I'm saved. I'm crucified with Christ". But daily: he spit in the face of people, he hit other people, he's watching pornography, his is cheating his wife, he hit his children,...and such a person should be saved, just because he goes to church, he read the bible and "believe" in Christ?You see how ridiculous that is.
lessthandust 1 month ago
@lessthandust Hello there. Yes, I sure agree with you. If we are to inherit eternal life then we must walk as Jesus did as it says in 1 John 2:6. God bless, Mick
christianissues 1 month ago
@386ABC
Sure, nobody can try to work out the salvation of others. It's impossible. You can just pray for others or tell people about Christ.
We have been crucified with Christ. Yes! And? That doesn't mean that I can say: "I no longer live, but Christ lives in me." To can say that, my own will have first to die for the will of God.
I sometimes very shocked when I see that some people put themselves on the same spiritual level like Saint Paul.
lessthandust 1 month ago
@386ABC
you can not claim something what is not written. If Jesus would mean the earthly Kingdom, he had said that. You make the difference by your own will. Look, he says: "I never knew you. Away from me..." !!! And: Philippians 2:12: "continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling" And how to love Jesus? See: John 14;15: "If you love me, keep my commands." That's the true teaching of the holy orthodox church.
lessthandust 2 months ago
Furthermore, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evil-doers (literally means you who practice lawlessness)!’” (Matthew 7:21-23).
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There's no automatically forgiveness. We have first to confess and to repent so that Jesus can forgive us. We can not find, have salvation by good doings, only by his mercy, true! but we can lose it by bad doings.
lessthandust 2 months ago in playlist Once Saved Always Saved
@lessthandust Yes, I sure agree with you. God bless, Mick
christianissues 2 months ago
1 John 1:
8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
lessthandust 2 months ago in playlist Once Saved Always Saved
@lessthandust Amen!
christianissues 2 months ago
@386ABC Please make sure that you are not in sin when the Lord returns otherwise you will be finished also. God bless, Mick
christianissues 4 months ago
@386ABC If you are assigned a place with the unbelievers where will you be? God bless, Mick
christianissues 4 months ago
@christianissues You win.
christianissues 4 months ago
@386ABC Ah, I couldn't see what you were getting at. Then can you tell me the application of the parable? Who is this master presently away and who can assign a man to hell when He returns? God bless, Mick
christianissues 4 months ago
@386ABC Amen and the son (servant) in the parable will be rewarded or condemned accordingly when the Master returns. God bless, Mick
christianissues 4 months ago
@386ABC Hello there. If you check the parable again you will see that it is talking about the Master being away and leaving the servant in charge. Clearly, Jesus is referring to His being away and His return to reward or condemn. What else could it be about? God bless, Mick
christianissues 4 months ago
@386ABC Hello there. The servant was either saved or lost. There is no in between, is there? We go to heaven or hell. Jesus said that if He returned and found the servant still doing good when He returned then He would put him in charge of all His possessions. So, do you think that Jesus would put a lost man in charge of His possessions? Obviously when Jesus calls a servant a faithful and wise manager He is talking about a saved soul. God bless, Mick
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WorldStarBeatz 1 year ago
I believe all these verses he spoke of, I just have reason to believe that osas does make more sense in that there are those who backslide because they never knew him, and those who backslide and come back because they were saved and remembered. So, I believe once we truly know him, we will walk in the spirit and remain saved always. But, if we don't truly know him, we may not truly be saved yet. I was confused still before hearing this, so this has clarified that I do believe the osas belief.
believeroftruth1st 1 year ago
@believeroftruth1st If you look at the parable in Luke 12:42-46 you will see that the servant was saved because Jesus said that He would reward him if he was still going good when Jesus returned. However, if Jesus returns and finds that SAME servant in sin then he will be sent to hell. This is too clear to miss. The servant's actions would determined whether he would be rewarded or condemned. God bless, Mick
christianissues 1 year ago
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believeroftruth1st 1 year ago
This topic always a good one for debate - LOL. I agree with Jardenix, you can't be unborn from a divine nature. As Paul said, NOW when I sin, it is NO LONGER I who do it, but the sin that is in me (see the separation = holiness!). Of course it is no longer I who do it, how could it be, when I have been born from above??? So how does THAT become undone?
It is possible to know Jesus and to have an "association" with the Holy Spirit, but to never have been committed.
MandrewP 1 year ago
Now that I'm saved, it is no longer I who sin, but it's the sin that is in me (my body). I am now separated from sin, and that is exactly what holiness is. I have been made holy. Jesus said that a good tree cannot bear bad fruit. At death, my body, with it's bad fruit, will remain here and turn to dust. My born again essence (soul/spirit) will be as holy as can be, and fit for Heaven.
MandrewP 1 year ago
But let me make it clear, God calls us to live holy lives now, and will discipline us sorely if we regard sin in our lives. We should fear God, however, this does not affect our qualifications for Heaven. As they say, "It's not the perfection of our walk, but rather the direction of our walk. On average, we should be moving ever closer to holiness in our body if we are the "real thing".
MandrewP 1 year ago
@MandrewP I find the likes of Luke 12:42-46 too plain speaking to believe that believers can't lose their salvation. In the parable, a faithful servant can either be reward or be assigned a place with the unbelievers, in hell of course. Also, a branch can be cut out of the Vine and be burnt (John 15). There are dozens more I can quote. What verses do you use to believe that one can have an 'association' with the Spirit and not be saved?
christianissues 1 year ago
@christianissues
This forum is too small to properly discuss this topic, unless I made a video response which I'm not setup to do at present. We could go back and forth for years, no? (LOL).
In any case, iron sharpens iron. Take care brother and God bless.
MandrewP 1 year ago
@MandrewP That's fair enough mate. God bless, Mick
christianissues 1 year ago
Great Video
Amen brother
Migenatube 2 years ago
Don't get confused, people who tell you they are under grace but live a habitual life of sin, have most likely never "known" (1 John 3:6) God. It is possible to believe in the eternal security of the saints AND live a holy life.
preachinshawn 2 years ago
Yes, I agree with you on both counts but the Bible also talks of saved people who backslide and fall away - like the faithful servant in Luke 12:42-46. It is those that I hope to reach because without holiness no one will see the Lord.
christianissues 2 years ago
Trusting God is trusting God forever - you can't just trust God and then stop trusting God - you were never really saved, you either trust Him or you don't. The parable of Luke mentioned in the beginning - Jesus was speaking to "religious" unbelievers, there people who believe in God - and appear to be saved, they were people who went to Church, read there Bibles, etc. But where never truly saved - they never trusted God for Salvation - so when judgement time came, God spoke Matthew 7:21-23.
Jardenix 2 years ago
1st Timothy 4:1-3 speaks about the unsaved also, there people who teach false doctrines, like Catholics and Mormons, there the two biggest religions and the masses of society is pulling toward them and departing from the "faith", meaning genuine Christianity. The context of 2nd Timothy 2:12-13 are on the topic of belief - if we believe not. If you don't believe you won't be saved, you denied God and He will Deny you unless you seek forgiveness.
Jardenix 2 years ago
2nd Peter 2:20:22 can be interpreted that way but then a believe would have to go through the process of being "unborn", which the Bible never mentions a word of it. Jesus never said anything about being born again and again, the Spiritual birth occurs once, just as he physical birth occurs once, and that cannot be reversed. And if those scriptures to apply to the saved, where does Ephesians 2:8-9 come in? The Gift of God? If you have to live right to keep God's gift then it was never a gift.
Jardenix 2 years ago
2nd Peter 2:20-22 means the unsaved who have been taught how to be saved, and understand that sinning is wrong, they were enlightened, they knew the to righteousness. But they chose to reject it - they rejected God's sacred command to be saved. It was better for them to die ignorant from the Gospel and go to Hell than to die, rejecting the Gospel and facing and angry God. They "knew" Jesus in a sense of the person, they never had a relationship with him.
Jardenix 2 years ago
John 15:1-7 Jesus is talking about "useless" Christians. There unproductive Christians. There believers who fail to abide in Christ. Christians abide in Christ by abiding in the Word of God - many believers fail to do so. In these verses Jesus spoke of selfish believers who are choked by the cares and riches of this life (Luke 8:14). Repenting is realising your guilt before God, that your a sinner - when you trust Jesus to save you you already have repented - trusting Jesus is repenting.
Jardenix 2 years ago
Hello Jardenix. The 'useless' Christians in John 15:1-7 are the Apostles. The conversation took place in the Upper Room before Jesus was crucified. He was speaking directly to the Apostles as there was no one else there. He wasn't speak 'about' anyone, He was speaking 'to' the 11 remaining disciples as Judas left earlier on. Also, Jesus would not call Himself the Vine and people branches if they were not 'in Him'. Anyone in Christ is saved but can be cut out and lost. God bless, Mick
christianissues 2 years ago
You say the man was never saved?? Why then do vs.43-44 say that the Master (Jesus) will put him in charge of all His possessions? Regarding trusting forever, 2 Tim. 2:12 says that man can disown Him and you can only disown something you already own; 1 Thess. 4:8 says that saved men (read v.7) can reject God and 2 Pet 2:20-22 say that saved men can turn their back on God and be worse off than if they had never been saved. There are many more such examples. God bless, Mick
christianissues 2 years ago
@christianissues 2 Timothy 2:12: 12 If we endure hardship, we will reign with him. If we deny him, he will deny us.
I guess it depends on the version you read also. Denying is different than owning. And in denying that is the same as not truly knowing him.
believeroftruth1st 1 year ago
Thanks!
yxa86 2 years ago