They were carried out by a UVF unit that included numerous soldiers and RUC men and who were protected from prosecution by the police. Collusion is a reasonable possibility here.
@mst3k4evur No it did not! It was carried out by loyalist terrorists who admitted it in 1993. There is no evidence of collusion. It's just anti-british propaganda!
The prime suspects were in the bombings were soldiers and police:
Billy Hanna (UDR Captain, former Royal Irish Fusilier)
Robin Jackson (RUC Informant, UDR, Former B Special)
David Alexander Mullholland (UDR)
Robert McConnell (UDR)
James Mitchell (RUC)
Other members of the group are John Weir and Billy McCaughey, both RUC Special Patrol Group officers and murderers who claim British intelligence, namely Robert Nairac, helped the group.
@mst3k4evur Just read highly politicised articles in wikipedia about the people you mention. They are all loyalists according to the articles and as you say have links to the security services, if you believe the article.Both Weir and mccaughey were murderers, the latter seems particularly obnoxious.They are both murderers so I'd be very skeptical about their claims. Nairac is dead so he can't answer back to the allegations against him.
When eyewitnesses linked the men to the bombings and Jackson was linked to the Miami Showband murder by fingerprints the RUC refused to prosecute anyone or even question most of the men. What does that tell you?
Look at the evidence presented by Fred Holroyd and Collin Wallace, they both told their superiors in British Intelligence that the Loyalists were being aided by rogue members of the RUC and the army in the 70's. They were ignored.
@mst3k4evur All of the suspects that you mention were loyalist paramilitaries in the UVF. Ofcourse there were people in the UDR and RUC who were involved with loyalist activity. I'm sure they were only a minority though. They came from the same communities as loyalists facing IRA volence so you can see how this could happen. The extremist in this clip said that the british government were involved in the d&M bombings. That is absurd!!
Weir and McCaughey are multiple murderers and terrorists but they've also been forthcoming about their past so I give them some credence. Add that to the RUC and the Army giving members of the Glennane gang a pass and ignoring evidence implicating them in bombings and shootings. Then look at the accusations of whistle blowers like Wallace and Holroyd in addition to anonymous testimony by former UVF members.
@mst3k4evur The "glennae gang" seems to have been a label applied to some loyalists by republicans. I don't know whether evidence was ignored. Holroyd has been described by judge Barron as a "walter mitty" character. Think wallace should be treated with suspicion as well.
The 'Glannane gang' was a nickname given to the Mid Ulster Brigade of the UVF. Whether they should be treated with suspicion like all spooks and activists, they were attacked and discredited by the British government and that tells me there must be at least some truth to what they say.
Not only was the evidence ignored, eye witness and fingerprint evidence in 36 murders (between the band and carbombings) was ignored by the RUC for nearly two decades before he died of lung cancer.
The survivors of the Miami Showband massacre clearly remember a British officer in charge of the phony roadblock where they were ambushed. The names of hundreds of Republicans were passed from the RUC to the UDA. Hell, look at Brian Nelson (British intelligence) setting up international arms deals for the paramilitaries.
@mst3k4evur I suppose there could have been an english person in the UVF. There is no reason why any British army or intelligence officer etc would want irish band members to be killed. Brian nelson was an informant against the UDA. The british were trying to stop the loyalists.
The plan on the part of the UVF was to plant a bomb in the band's van. It would have exploded across the border, killing the band and discrediting people from the Republic.
Brian Nelson ended up in prison after he pleaded guilty to crimes on behalf of the UDA. I don't pretend that the Brits all supported the loyalists, but part of the government and military clearly made use of them when it was convenient and protected them from prosecution.
@mst3k4evur The miami showband killings again are the M.O of loyalists ie kill some catholics. I don't think the brits made use of loyalists. All they did was help the IRA because the IRA could claim that it was protecting catholics from loyalists
Some of these things I could dismiss, but with all the first hand accounts and circumstantial evidence it seems clear that elements of the British military and large parts of the UDR/RUC were complicit in the violence.
@mst3k4evur I wouldn't deny that some members of the UDR would have been involved with loyalists. The same goes for some members of the RUC. However hundreds of loyalists were imprisoned as a result of the BA and RUC. The dublin and monaghan bombs served no purpose for the British. There is no reason for them to have colluded at any substantial level in something so wicked!
It makes perfect sense within the context of the Loyalist workers strike. The were striking in protest of a British government that was willing to work with Dublin. A bombing in Dublin could discourage the Republic from interfering in the North, something both the Loyalists and hard-liners in the military would have wanted.
@mst3k4evur The loyalists attacked dublin to show those in the south what it was like to experience terrorism. The british government obviously wanted sunningdale to work. Dublin-monaghan was the mo of the loyalists. The british army did not target civilians.
The Loyalists had attacked Dublin before. In 1972 they exploded car bombs in the city as the Irish Parliament debated harsh measures against the IRA. The idea was to convince the government it was the IRA, which is what happened and the measures passed. This suited the Brits and later that year the Irish imprisoned the Provo leader as well. The loyalists had carried out false flag attacks even earlier, look at the UPV bombs in 1969. It all served British and Unionist hard liners.
Don't misunderstand, I don't think this went all the way to Downing Street but the ease with which loyalists operated and the number of soldiers and cops involved indicates that someone high up in the military or government had to be helping them.
@mst3k4evur The dublin-monaghan bombs were carried out by loyalists. To try and make anti-british propaganda out of it does not do any good to the victims.
The bombings were carried out by the UVF and they admitted it. Such a shame people use this bombing to spread hatred
jonoessex 2 months ago
@jonoessex
They were carried out by a UVF unit that included numerous soldiers and RUC men and who were protected from prosecution by the police. Collusion is a reasonable possibility here.
mst3k4evur 2 months ago
@mst3k4evur No it did not! It was carried out by loyalist terrorists who admitted it in 1993. There is no evidence of collusion. It's just anti-british propaganda!
jonoessex 2 months ago
@jonoessex
The prime suspects were in the bombings were soldiers and police:
Billy Hanna (UDR Captain, former Royal Irish Fusilier)
Robin Jackson (RUC Informant, UDR, Former B Special)
David Alexander Mullholland (UDR)
Robert McConnell (UDR)
James Mitchell (RUC)
Other members of the group are John Weir and Billy McCaughey, both RUC Special Patrol Group officers and murderers who claim British intelligence, namely Robert Nairac, helped the group.
mst3k4evur 2 months ago
@mst3k4evur Just read highly politicised articles in wikipedia about the people you mention. They are all loyalists according to the articles and as you say have links to the security services, if you believe the article.Both Weir and mccaughey were murderers, the latter seems particularly obnoxious.They are both murderers so I'd be very skeptical about their claims. Nairac is dead so he can't answer back to the allegations against him.
jonoessex 2 months ago
@jonoessex
When eyewitnesses linked the men to the bombings and Jackson was linked to the Miami Showband murder by fingerprints the RUC refused to prosecute anyone or even question most of the men. What does that tell you?
Look at the evidence presented by Fred Holroyd and Collin Wallace, they both told their superiors in British Intelligence that the Loyalists were being aided by rogue members of the RUC and the army in the 70's. They were ignored.
mst3k4evur 2 months ago
@mst3k4evur All of the suspects that you mention were loyalist paramilitaries in the UVF. Ofcourse there were people in the UDR and RUC who were involved with loyalist activity. I'm sure they were only a minority though. They came from the same communities as loyalists facing IRA volence so you can see how this could happen. The extremist in this clip said that the british government were involved in the d&M bombings. That is absurd!!
jonoessex 2 months ago
@jonoessex
Weir and McCaughey are multiple murderers and terrorists but they've also been forthcoming about their past so I give them some credence. Add that to the RUC and the Army giving members of the Glennane gang a pass and ignoring evidence implicating them in bombings and shootings. Then look at the accusations of whistle blowers like Wallace and Holroyd in addition to anonymous testimony by former UVF members.
mst3k4evur 2 months ago
@mst3k4evur The "glennae gang" seems to have been a label applied to some loyalists by republicans. I don't know whether evidence was ignored. Holroyd has been described by judge Barron as a "walter mitty" character. Think wallace should be treated with suspicion as well.
jonoessex 2 months ago
@jonoessex
The 'Glannane gang' was a nickname given to the Mid Ulster Brigade of the UVF. Whether they should be treated with suspicion like all spooks and activists, they were attacked and discredited by the British government and that tells me there must be at least some truth to what they say.
Not only was the evidence ignored, eye witness and fingerprint evidence in 36 murders (between the band and carbombings) was ignored by the RUC for nearly two decades before he died of lung cancer.
mst3k4evur 2 months ago
@jonoessex
The survivors of the Miami Showband massacre clearly remember a British officer in charge of the phony roadblock where they were ambushed. The names of hundreds of Republicans were passed from the RUC to the UDA. Hell, look at Brian Nelson (British intelligence) setting up international arms deals for the paramilitaries.
mst3k4evur 2 months ago
@mst3k4evur I suppose there could have been an english person in the UVF. There is no reason why any British army or intelligence officer etc would want irish band members to be killed. Brian nelson was an informant against the UDA. The british were trying to stop the loyalists.
jonoessex 2 months ago
@jonoessex
The plan on the part of the UVF was to plant a bomb in the band's van. It would have exploded across the border, killing the band and discrediting people from the Republic.
Brian Nelson ended up in prison after he pleaded guilty to crimes on behalf of the UDA. I don't pretend that the Brits all supported the loyalists, but part of the government and military clearly made use of them when it was convenient and protected them from prosecution.
mst3k4evur 2 months ago
@mst3k4evur The miami showband killings again are the M.O of loyalists ie kill some catholics. I don't think the brits made use of loyalists. All they did was help the IRA because the IRA could claim that it was protecting catholics from loyalists
jonoessex 2 months ago
@jonoessex
Some of these things I could dismiss, but with all the first hand accounts and circumstantial evidence it seems clear that elements of the British military and large parts of the UDR/RUC were complicit in the violence.
mst3k4evur 2 months ago
@mst3k4evur I wouldn't deny that some members of the UDR would have been involved with loyalists. The same goes for some members of the RUC. However hundreds of loyalists were imprisoned as a result of the BA and RUC. The dublin and monaghan bombs served no purpose for the British. There is no reason for them to have colluded at any substantial level in something so wicked!
jonoessex 2 months ago
@jonoessex
It makes perfect sense within the context of the Loyalist workers strike. The were striking in protest of a British government that was willing to work with Dublin. A bombing in Dublin could discourage the Republic from interfering in the North, something both the Loyalists and hard-liners in the military would have wanted.
mst3k4evur 2 months ago
@mst3k4evur The loyalists attacked dublin to show those in the south what it was like to experience terrorism. The british government obviously wanted sunningdale to work. Dublin-monaghan was the mo of the loyalists. The british army did not target civilians.
jonoessex 2 months ago
@jonoessex
The Loyalists had attacked Dublin before. In 1972 they exploded car bombs in the city as the Irish Parliament debated harsh measures against the IRA. The idea was to convince the government it was the IRA, which is what happened and the measures passed. This suited the Brits and later that year the Irish imprisoned the Provo leader as well. The loyalists had carried out false flag attacks even earlier, look at the UPV bombs in 1969. It all served British and Unionist hard liners.
mst3k4evur 1 month ago
@mst3k4evur If you're going to accuse the brits at a high level of involvement you have to have very strong proof. You do not have any.
jonoessex 1 month ago
@jonoessex
Don't misunderstand, I don't think this went all the way to Downing Street but the ease with which loyalists operated and the number of soldiers and cops involved indicates that someone high up in the military or government had to be helping them.
mst3k4evur 1 month ago
@mst3k4evur The dublin-monaghan bombs were carried out by loyalists. To try and make anti-british propaganda out of it does not do any good to the victims.
jonoessex 1 month ago
Hope we get some answers tomorrow, or some movements, or even a mention since its 37 years.
apgsc 9 months ago in playlist Other
Thank you, Mr. O'Kelly!
jeffhegarty 1 year ago
What happened in 1974 is clear to anyone who wants to open their eyes and ears. British collusion cannot be disputed.
apgsc 1 year ago
yeah an inquiry is needed because families who lost love ones still don't have all the answers.
AMason8634 3 years ago
Thanks for uploading this
xxseanyboyxx 4 years ago
"I know what youre saying is waffle" Good job stick it to him.
flashmp 4 years ago