The U.S. is a Constitutional Republic. We only have a democratic voting system for example, we elect political officials by a majority, but nothing should ever be put to vote if it violates the Constitution. The Constitution, inspired by the Declaration of Independence, is our law. We are a Nation of Laws.
We recite the Pledge of Allegiance:
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands..."
All you have to do is discover a new fact or clearly superior paradigm to find out what happens if you're right and everybody else is wrong. You'll find out 99.99% of people can be wrong about something and have no idea at all! Then you're fucked!
i like anarchy better than democracy , id take anarcho primitivism rather than so called democracy, living in tribes is more civilized than being oppressed ,dominated and monetarily enslaved by rich intrusive freedom stealing politicians
The ancient greeks even knew this that is why most democratic countries are republics instead of democracy. Most people forget this just because we use democratic voting to form our governments. Most people that think they live in a democracy actually live in a republic, another example of the stupidity of crowds.
@jimberkt Call it what you want, its still the majority voting to take shit from the rest. Placing a few restrictions on what the majority can do doesn't change its fundamental nature.
@jimberkt in the us wa get to have our cake and eat it too.... so we have a representative democracy under a republican governance which has evolved/slyly subverted into a legislative democracy which pays lip service to the constitutional restrictions they are supposed to adhere to but have legislated into volunteerism under the 14th amendment et.al..........
WTF happened?
private contracts in the form of Fed reserve notes........
remember contracts are not subject to constitutional restrictions
Those in the know what direct democracy for one reason alone, the destruction of America. The use illegal alien third worlders to swamp our republic is well understood. The obama campaign to undermine the republic is in full press mode with the concept of amnesty. Send the illegals home, break the back of the communist in chief, obama.
@DoctorCapitalist: it might be very useful to people who don't believe in either democracy and/or republic parties, but it's forbidden to talk about overlapping legal systems to alternate the economic system in that legal structure.
@Ringvireot Polycentric law came before the state. Judges used were people who resolved disputes between multiple parties. They were mutually agreed upon judgers for those having a dispute. They would enter an agreement to abide by the judge's ruling. These judges typically had a reputation for being objective, trustworthy and unbiased.
This is common law, and not law from the top down. Although I do see your point on the possibility of overlapping legal systems.
@Ringvireot I believe that respect for other people's property comes pretty naturally since noone wants people to fuck with their own property (that is, do things with a person's property against their desires). Respect for other people's property comes into place quite quickly so there's cooperation between individuals. It reduces the most amount of conflict (although there would be some criminals of course).
@Ringvireot That's mostly just my conjecture though. There'd also be nothing to stop people from entering communities with other social ideas. You'd just enter contracts when you buy housing off of socialist homesteaders saying you'll agree to do things socialist or whatever.
there is not a single true democratic country on this planet. All we have is representive democracy. Real democracy is direct democracy. Because then, people actually get to decied for real.
But of course, representive democracy can work, if the goverment is afraid of their people. People need to watch what the politicans are doing, and if they are doing something wrong, the people need to show them this by doing demonstrations.
dude democracy sucks... ppl always think they the one that make the presdient... not its actually just those few hundred congressmen and senators that hold that power.... CONGRESSMEN LIES THEY DONT LIVE UP TO THEIR PROMISE
Oh, I see.....In that case, you could make a video talking about how all the youtube anarcho-drama and inter-anarchist conflict is a bunch of bullshit and needs to end right now. Smash the drama!
It would be cool if you did reviews of literature by market anarchists like Rothbard material. Or, you could do a video explaining the ideas of Lysander Spooner to youtubers who are not familiar with him. Or, you could talk about modern market anarchist economic theory as it pertains to America's current economic crisis. You could talk about what to do about the health care situation from a free market perspective like confed.
You mean "people don't always get what they want"? Because that line of thinking applies to materialistic things and is shoved down the throats of children by their parents, but we're not talking about getting some T.V. or toy, we're talking about freedom. So if you're going to talk about "democracy is good, you don't always get what you want, get over it, blah blah blah" then you're in the wrong place bro.
So, if 51 people vote to enslave the other 49 in a theoretical democratic society of 100 people, then anyone amongst the 49 who doesn't want to be a slave is just being whiney? And you don't see any problem with that line of thinking?
look, I'm truly truly sorry I wrote that comment. Okay? It's not like I'm ignorant enough to assume that the way I think will never change. As you can see, people strongly disliked that comment. But really, all the people here are ready to jump down the throat of anyone's comment the disapprove of. So people, just relax: try keeping an open mind, you don't have to agree, but you don't have to be so negative...
Example: I have no kids & do not intend to have any. Yet I am compelled, against my will & all logic to pay school taxes on my property for a school which I can NEVER benefit from. The elderly are in the same boat as me in this.
Not only is this unfair, I have NO voice in how the $ is (mis) spent; I must pay..or else.
Putting a shotgun to my skull to rob me would be more subtle........:p
@19lfm12 You do benefit from having schools around. Humans work best in teams. It is difficult to work well when you are in a team of uneducated people....
The obvious answer to that very stupid question is: 'those who are able bodied & willing, will build roads'.
If your driveway was fucked up, would you fix it? It the street you live on was getting impassible, would you not band together with the other residents to fix it yourselves?
*bangs head against desk*
I never cease to be amazed by human (?) stupidity!
eye am already free of government, they have little to do with me, except @ airports & boarders, they barely exist in my realty, all governments are scams designed to convince free people that they need to be enslaved for their own good; eye have often asked people why they think they need a government & have never got a satisfactory answer, a lot of amerikins say "who will build the roads?" others refer to the police, who in actuality never prevent crime, they only encourage it, nice vid
the Chinese philosopher (Lao Tze) was wise enough to regard the individual as the basis of the empire. Is a democracy, such as we know it, the last improvement possible in government? Is it not possible to take a step further towards recognizing and organizing the rights of man? There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, HD Thoreau: Civil Disobedience
Real democracy doesn't come with guarantees. It's politicians that try to sell guarantees and tell people what they want to hear in such a way they won't think about the problems in a meaningful way. Do you really think it's easier pay off a constituency to vote against their interests than to pay off a small group of politicians representing them? Even in a corrupted initiative process, this is harder than you might think and several studies have supported this.
Originally, democracy was practiced in a homogeneous Greek society, where participants were compatible in terms of background and interests. In our "Melding Pot," democracy is a much more challenging concept, due to the diversity of participants.
What troubles me is that media programming relentlessly inculcates 'idiocrity,' and then its victims are supposed to be relied upon to make responsible electoral choices. It's like getting someone drunk and asking them to perform brain surgery.
I think many of the assumptions of homogeneity here are false. Also I think there are several mischaracterizations of the Swiss. These are very common and this reminds me that I really need to write an essay on the subject.
Democracy is a tool and a process. Evaluating the process is important to understanding the nature of representation. A "democracy in chains" can be a useful tool for subjugation if people are not critical of the process and accept it as actual representation when it is not.
Transparentacy is vital, which we don't have. The taxes we pay are used in to things we don't want or frankly don't know, the state should be us, but it nevr happens.
That's our corrupt system. When we have an election almost always it is a democrat or republican who wins. When both democrat and republican candidates suck, you're still faced with one being in office.
Thus they do not have to be for the people, they just have to appear to be more for the people than the other guy.
This will never be eliminated, but could be improved by adding a NONE OF THE ABOVE option to the voting ballot. When all of the candidates suck, you simply vote NONE.
If NONE wins an election all of the candidates are flushed out and you have a new election with new candidates.
...so if both the democrat and the republican suck, you would no longer have to choose between them. Just keep flushing the toilet until a real candidate steps forward.
This will never happen though, because it challenges the current power structure. Our future will consist of an ever-expanding government that will restrict our freedom until it is eventually overthrown violently.
The ultimate end of every direct democracy is a big government take-over of some form heralded by the majority.
A constitution that protects and holds rights that cannot be infringed upon by the majority merely prolongs this process.
The constitutional democracy will persist for as long as the people are willing to fight for the constitution. When people cease to care about the constitution the government will chip away at the constitution until it becomes an uncontrolled direct democracy.
Why not let the people become the source of the authority, when you advocate the State... The State is the source of the authority regardless how you polish it... You want the difference between now and direct democracy? Take the number of people in congress, and add X number of the majority. What is the difference? More Spending, more debt, increase legislation to violate more freedom, and no incentive to help the tax payer because they get paid anyway. Also the majority become the elite.
It is certainly not perfect, but I think D.D. is a feasible solution. I think the main problem with government through-out history is that people elected RULERS to decide things for them instead of deciding on things themselves.
Nazism was carried out by a select few elite minority; as with crimes of communism, Roman Empire, British empire and now the US empire. It is the elite minority that commits the crime, not the powerless majority that sits back and watches in apathy!
And I truly believe that the majority of people are benevolent. D.D. may not work close to perfect at first but it I believe we as humans and as a society are continuously evolving for the better. This is definitely true, as the US is becoming more secular than ever!
I agree though that an anarchist socialist society is the utopia, and I think D.D. works towards that!
you forgot to mention canada although the parliamentarians would have you believe its a "constitutional democracy" as they put it and also it says right on the first page of our charter that basically we dont have individual freedoms we have group freedoms and thus we have the essence of socialism which is in fact in my view a subset of capitalism and the bridge between that and full out chicom communism i think peace
Any system could work. I mean any system. Even communism, but the problem is the people are not developed thinkers. Not developed in the spirit, on Earth. Under these conditions any system will fail. No matter what it is. People mainly act out of fear. Not an ideology, but actual inner growth. The most unpopular thing in the world. Unpopular because we gotta really work at inner growth. At 1st it is a nightmare to look inside. This is why most people give up at it. They realize complicity.
communism works well for ants and bees who are biologically hardwired to slave for the queen that they are virtually nothing more than mere spawns of. human sociology on the other hand is limited to peaceful interaction and mutually beneficial cooperation based on individual rational judgment. it has nothing to do with "spirit" and everything to do with genetics. if you'd rather be an ant, convert to hinduism and do cartwheels across a highway... haha jk, but real talk about the genetics thing.
dumbass. what you just desrcibed is liberty. a democracy is where the people directly rule, but a republic is elected officials. they're entirely different things
Hey man, I understand all your points. I just think the idea of anarchism is a dream utopia (just like statism, btw). However, I think the direct democracy form of statism is the most feasible way to solve the world's problems. Anarchists such as yourself do a great job exposing the evils of the state, but I think D.D. is the most feasible solution to those problems.
I'll continue talking with you later. Nice talking with you though, man!
I'm with you on that. I think both suck, BUT I rather live in a Democracy.
The system we have now, voting for a representative is like voting for either the electric chair or lethal injection. It's a no-win game. At least in Democracy we can get shit done faster (and probably bring out impending doom faster too).
If EVERYONE pays there fair share by use of something like a fair-tax or sales tax, then the coercion is fair. The coercion is unfair when certain groups pay more than the other.
"People don't decide whats its for the state does. Did you decide to invade Iraq or pay to bailout GM?"
-- Of course I didn't decide! I didn't have a say, did I? Only Bush and Congress had a say because we live in a Republic, NOT a Direct Democracy!
Its not a Republic when the Constitution isn't obeyed... At least get the concepts right.. The Republic died along time ago. And they don't say we live in a Republic, they say its Democracy... As far as VOTING them scum suckers in... Sounds right. You might disagree with the direction, but didn't they say Obama still maintains that favorable opinion? Guess what? Majority says its okay.
I am not being disingenuous. You stated that states are inherently evil, and I asked how are public services evil. Yes, the public services are funded by coercion. But if that coercion is fair and the taxes fund programs to your benefit then I don't see what is evil about that.
"a state is also not required to provide services to sustain life or educate"
-- It can if you want it to. All a state is is an organization funded by the collective. People can decide what they want to use it for.
to suggest that the state's ventures are for your benefit is extremely naive. putting the state in charge of your money deteriorates your wealth, all that you've worked hard for is taken from you by the state in the form of inflation for the benefit of "special" interests. to make the state your "sovereign" is virtually suicide, as the state carelessly harasses people of the world, your life is now in danger in the name of retaliation against such an oppressor, which happens to be your sovereign
"to suggest that the state's ventures are for your benefit is extremely naive."
-- Not if you vote on the ventures the state enforces.
If by "special interests" you mean public services like education, roads, health-care, police, fire-department, and armed forces, than yes, the state would be funded from the collective public in a FAIR manner. These ventures and actions of the state would be at the command of the majority, and if the majority are benevolent, then where is the problem?
if by special interests, you think i mean schools, police, military, etc, you are definitely naive, as you would also be for assuming the "benevolence" of a majority with power. special interests include excessive military spending to feed the pocket of weapons development companies, subsidies and special privileges granted to large corporations, and funding of invasive regimes such as israel. these are things that lots of dumb ass people support, so direct democracy will not put an end to it.
and direct democracy is a horrible idea because one; it can only be backed by violence and theft; and two; it is rule by the majority which history shows has always been significantly ignorant compared to a very small intellectual minority. and before you say, "that is the reason for schools", if the school curriculum is controlled by the majority, all that could possibly be achieved is the spreading and prolonging of ignorance and stupidity.
I know what you meant by "special interests". I am telling you that with Direct Democracy those kind of "special interests" would probably loose their funding! Why would the majority vote on things that would go against their best interests such as excessive military spending and corporate welfare?? Under D.D., corporations would be out-lawed from sponsoring and voting on legislation in anyway!
If people support funding Israel, then with their vote they would be held responsible for it.
But if people had a REAL choice to decide where funding goes (not some AIPAC in Congress deciding for them) why would they decide to send their tax dollars over to Israel instead of to public schools in the US???
The intellectuals voice will be empowered by Direct Democracy. They will not have to compete against large corporate influence, as corporate influence is outlawed in D.D.
Btw, you seem to have a very condescending view of majority of people. Good luck in a lawless society where every man is for his/her self!!! Because you know, it's hard to find a lot of good people to "organize" with if the majority of people are "ignorant" and "stupid"!
Public Schools? Okay lets do that, guess what.. More wasted money. You just funded a monopoly with no competition teaching kids rewritten history in a factory manner (that is not suppose to offend anyone).
I take it you think the Free Market is Corporations gone wild with no control and the people are mindless slaves with no voice of their own. But that isn't voluntary, nor action-reaction, also that is what you have basically today with the State acting in place of the people.
Why would they voted against Gays marrying? Because they are driven by their "morality", and they really never see the cost effect into such stupid legislation. The majority believe we should have alliances with other States, problem is this is just a collection of Centralized power in unity. People themselves are the ones on an individual basis should decide who their friends are, who to trade with... Voting has undermine this.
I couldn't believe what Oldhacks said in the past. He was talking about taxes, and instead of just a sales tax (which would actually shrink the State quite a bit, but good luck maintaining the power hunger) on all the products, he said... Lets put that on "particular" products, what does that mean? Extra punishment on certain businesses with MORALITY which hurts the Free Market to make a Black Market. And the demand for the involuntary tick sucking revenue will only increase.
I was just being nice to the Americans whom think a Republic is where it is at. Personally I am an anarchist. Fuck the State altogether. I live in Canada but I have no National pride. Why? What is the point? It is just another tool used by the Government to control the people.
In Democracy 51% of the people rule the other 49%. But in a Republic, the .0005% rules the other 99.0005%. Either way your being ruled, but the difference between the two is the people can make direct change in the Government instead of relying on a representative.
Now, that brings me to the representatives. How do you expect these retards to vote in a intelligent representative? George Bush, Sarah Palin, Barrack Obama....case and point?
That is not entirely true on the Republic.. You are confusing it with an Oligarchy or a Monarchy.. Republic is suppose to be base on rule of Law as the decision factor. Its more or less a temporary factor, as the law becomes powerless overtime by those wishing to control us. The ruling factor happens right when the actual Republic is no more. With America, that happened sometime during Washington's first term. Its really a short term failed experiment.
I think relying on the representatives to follow the law is just as ridiculous as relying on the Discovery Institute to actually tell the truth for once.
But you acknowledge this in your comment, and I 100% agree. The Government we have now is just a lobbyist and special interest play ground.
Our Government is completely sold out, and has been sold out since the Government issued its first bailout to Thomas Jefferson in the early 19th century.
Yes, political elections are different. That is electing a ruler to run your lives. That is not what I advocate.
"Even if the majority is calm and peaceful, forcing a subjective belief onto another is wrong."
-- Telling someone that you cannot rape, murder and steal is wrong??? States are only evil when they commit agression and immoral acts -- when they are unfair, discriminate, or agress. I don't see what is evil about them providing education and other services.
But could you at Least make better Efforts with improving the vocabulary by refraining from vulgar dialog. Using profane and Degenerate street Jargon will diminish the effective value of the message. Its possible for intelligent people like yourself to out shine HS dropouts like myself.
A Republic that minds its own business is not a bad idea. What I mean is, if I am not hurting anyone leave me alone when I'm sitting on my porch smoking a joint.;-)
I believe (and I assume most anarchists believe) that the majority of people are good intentioned and benevolent. People like working together and organize. Direct Democracy empowers the majority, and if the majority is benevolent, then I see no problem.
This refutes the claim that the state only empowers the malevolent who seek power. If everyone has a voice, the minority elite's power is vanquished and the benevolent should more often than not prevail.
But direct democracy would in effect force people to work collectively. It's not so easy to send people off to war or throw people in prison for smoking weed when you know that it was YOUR VOTE that authorized it!!! People in the US evade such responsiblity for these policies because we elect RULERS to make these decisions! Direct Democracy abolishes this apathy, as it holds people accontable for their choices.
It creates group thinking which is inherently destructive, which is why you end up with dipshits like neo-cons and democrats. As for the "you wont vote for it for it if it hurts people" idea, if that were true then prop 8 wouldn't have passed. Democracy is nothing more than tyranny more people get to participate in.
Thanks.. I really really can't stand the idiots on the DEMOCRACY NOW videos... They keep changing the definition like not majority, oh no... EVERYONE.. barf.. If they wanted people to be free, why advocate the State in the first place? They are all for the people to have a say, but only through the words of a puppet in office. Total joke.. Also for having so much "faith" in the people, they sure like telling others they can't organize, problem solve, do stuff for themselves without the State..
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The U.S. is a Constitutional Republic. We only have a democratic voting system for example, we elect political officials by a majority, but nothing should ever be put to vote if it violates the Constitution. The Constitution, inspired by the Declaration of Independence, is our law. We are a Nation of Laws.
We recite the Pledge of Allegiance:
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands..."
And sing "The Battle Hymn of the Republic"
Vote4RonPaulLiberty 1 month ago
All you have to do is discover a new fact or clearly superior paradigm to find out what happens if you're right and everybody else is wrong. You'll find out 99.99% of people can be wrong about something and have no idea at all! Then you're fucked!
yvettefoto 2 months ago
i like anarchy better than democracy , id take anarcho primitivism rather than so called democracy, living in tribes is more civilized than being oppressed ,dominated and monetarily enslaved by rich intrusive freedom stealing politicians
oxjhan9 5 months ago
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oxjhan9 5 months ago
The ancient greeks even knew this that is why most democratic countries are republics instead of democracy. Most people forget this just because we use democratic voting to form our governments. Most people that think they live in a democracy actually live in a republic, another example of the stupidity of crowds.
Vote Ron Paul!!!!
jimberkt 1 year ago
@jimberkt Call it what you want, its still the majority voting to take shit from the rest. Placing a few restrictions on what the majority can do doesn't change its fundamental nature.
cincofone 8 months ago
@jimberkt in the us wa get to have our cake and eat it too.... so we have a representative democracy under a republican governance which has evolved/slyly subverted into a legislative democracy which pays lip service to the constitutional restrictions they are supposed to adhere to but have legislated into volunteerism under the 14th amendment et.al..........
WTF happened?
private contracts in the form of Fed reserve notes........
remember contracts are not subject to constitutional restrictions
DanielShaysRebellion 4 months ago
Together, we can create Oasis of Freedom in America: oasisoffreedom(dot)org
OasisOfFreedom 1 year ago
Benevolent Dictatorship ftw.
Jasonthegaiface 1 year ago
@Jasonthegaiface do you mean George Bush and compassionate conservatives??? or the current Obama Administration
DanielShaysRebellion 4 months ago
I want Autocracy.
:)
SniperViper1000 1 year ago
Your vote is obviously with the minority :( Sowwy...
marine4hire 1 year ago
Those in the know what direct democracy for one reason alone, the destruction of America. The use illegal alien third worlders to swamp our republic is well understood. The obama campaign to undermine the republic is in full press mode with the concept of amnesty. Send the illegals home, break the back of the communist in chief, obama.
joesphx19 1 year ago
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democracy is better than anarchy though
andyobby 1 year ago
@andyobby not really, unless your fine with coercion on a mass scale
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago 15
@andyobby If you're referring to socialist anarchy then yes. Polycentric law (or anarcho-capitalism) would be fucking awesome.
DoctorCapitalist 3 months ago
@DoctorCapitalist: it might be very useful to people who don't believe in either democracy and/or republic parties, but it's forbidden to talk about overlapping legal systems to alternate the economic system in that legal structure.
Ringvireot 3 months ago
@Ringvireot Polycentric law came before the state. Judges used were people who resolved disputes between multiple parties. They were mutually agreed upon judgers for those having a dispute. They would enter an agreement to abide by the judge's ruling. These judges typically had a reputation for being objective, trustworthy and unbiased.
This is common law, and not law from the top down. Although I do see your point on the possibility of overlapping legal systems.
DoctorCapitalist 3 months ago
@Ringvireot I believe that respect for other people's property comes pretty naturally since noone wants people to fuck with their own property (that is, do things with a person's property against their desires). Respect for other people's property comes into place quite quickly so there's cooperation between individuals. It reduces the most amount of conflict (although there would be some criminals of course).
DoctorCapitalist 3 months ago
@Ringvireot That's mostly just my conjecture though. There'd also be nothing to stop people from entering communities with other social ideas. You'd just enter contracts when you buy housing off of socialist homesteaders saying you'll agree to do things socialist or whatever.
DoctorCapitalist 3 months ago
@DoctorCapitalist: thanks for sharing that info with me. I will prove that theory quite useful in a later date.
Ringvireot 3 months ago
Democracy sucks, Nazism forever.
Exposeobama666 1 year ago 2
"...what this video is about is democracy and how it fails..." I'll never forget that line lol
reepermaple 1 year ago
Democracy=lottery
iownage4youi 1 year ago
there is not a single true democratic country on this planet. All we have is representive democracy. Real democracy is direct democracy. Because then, people actually get to decied for real.
But of course, representive democracy can work, if the goverment is afraid of their people. People need to watch what the politicans are doing, and if they are doing something wrong, the people need to show them this by doing demonstrations.
But this is not the case in a lot of countries.
oRReOP 2 years ago
dude democracy sucks... ppl always think they the one that make the presdient... not its actually just those few hundred congressmen and senators that hold that power.... CONGRESSMEN LIES THEY DONT LIVE UP TO THEIR PROMISE
jackuy12345 2 years ago
I would abandon the anarcho-drama for something that is actually anarcho-constructive ;)
discordian420 2 years ago
Oh, I see.....In that case, you could make a video talking about how all the youtube anarcho-drama and inter-anarchist conflict is a bunch of bullshit and needs to end right now. Smash the drama!
discordian420 2 years ago
It would be cool if you did reviews of literature by market anarchists like Rothbard material. Or, you could do a video explaining the ideas of Lysander Spooner to youtubers who are not familiar with him. Or, you could talk about modern market anarchist economic theory as it pertains to America's current economic crisis. You could talk about what to do about the health care situation from a free market perspective like confed.
discordian420 2 years ago
I wish you still made videos that are as good as this one.
:(
discordian420 2 years ago
Democracy is a lie. The US gov't preaches lies.
ObamaSuxClub 2 years ago
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." :))
BlackNeon9 2 years ago 3
LOL. You said, "the growing small gov't movement."
Haha, get it?
AxxesS9000 2 years ago
"You don't always get what you want," but what you do and should always get is your life, liberty, and property.
Stigmata742 2 years ago 3
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-_- The "individual" can't always have what the "individual" wants. Didn't your parents teach you that? Sometimes you have to just deal with it.
COLDCHEMICALpresents 2 years ago
You mean "people don't always get what they want"? Because that line of thinking applies to materialistic things and is shoved down the throats of children by their parents, but we're not talking about getting some T.V. or toy, we're talking about freedom. So if you're going to talk about "democracy is good, you don't always get what you want, get over it, blah blah blah" then you're in the wrong place bro.
MachineLegion 2 years ago 9
So, if 51 people vote to enslave the other 49 in a theoretical democratic society of 100 people, then anyone amongst the 49 who doesn't want to be a slave is just being whiney? And you don't see any problem with that line of thinking?
nonantianarchist 2 years ago 2
look, I'm truly truly sorry I wrote that comment. Okay? It's not like I'm ignorant enough to assume that the way I think will never change. As you can see, people strongly disliked that comment. But really, all the people here are ready to jump down the throat of anyone's comment the disapprove of. So people, just relax: try keeping an open mind, you don't have to agree, but you don't have to be so negative...
COLDCHEMICALpresents 2 years ago
If you attack the individual you are advocating collectivism, which in inherently unsustainable.
ufee 2 years ago
It'll be over soon. Those in the know soon will thrive, those who dont soon will die.
casperld 2 years ago 2
....suck & blows...like a shop-vac:)
Example: I have no kids & do not intend to have any. Yet I am compelled, against my will & all logic to pay school taxes on my property for a school which I can NEVER benefit from. The elderly are in the same boat as me in this.
Not only is this unfair, I have NO voice in how the $ is (mis) spent; I must pay..or else.
Putting a shotgun to my skull to rob me would be more subtle........:p
19lfm12 2 years ago 6
there's a T shirt being sold on INFOWARS with two men, one with a gun to the others head. Beneath, the word: SOCIALISM
TheWorldOvercom3 2 years ago
@19lfm12 You do benefit from having schools around. Humans work best in teams. It is difficult to work well when you are in a team of uneducated people....
marine4hire 1 year ago
The obvious answer to that very stupid question is: 'those who are able bodied & willing, will build roads'.
If your driveway was fucked up, would you fix it? It the street you live on was getting impassible, would you not band together with the other residents to fix it yourselves?
*bangs head against desk*
I never cease to be amazed by human (?) stupidity!
lol:))
19lfm12 2 years ago 2
Good vid dude.
stewart0312 2 years ago 2
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BigPurple121 2 years ago
"Direct democracy is not needed its prolonging what could be a very easy process and forcing things on others, which is no better then the state."
This is a red flag that gets my attention, no matter the political ideology!
a) prolonging what?
this sounds a bit funny to me, because existing direct democracy is very limited here (and rightly so, to maintain a plutocratic system)
b) what is the easy process to bypass democracy? (mainly interested in your approach to economic & political power)
ChannelMikeG 2 years ago
eye am already free of government, they have little to do with me, except @ airports & boarders, they barely exist in my realty, all governments are scams designed to convince free people that they need to be enslaved for their own good; eye have often asked people why they think they need a government & have never got a satisfactory answer, a lot of amerikins say "who will build the roads?" others refer to the police, who in actuality never prevent crime, they only encourage it, nice vid
MyCluein 2 years ago
the Chinese philosopher (Lao Tze) was wise enough to regard the individual as the basis of the empire. Is a democracy, such as we know it, the last improvement possible in government? Is it not possible to take a step further towards recognizing and organizing the rights of man? There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, HD Thoreau: Civil Disobedience
MyCluein 2 years ago
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MyCluein 2 years ago
Real democracy doesn't come with guarantees. It's politicians that try to sell guarantees and tell people what they want to hear in such a way they won't think about the problems in a meaningful way. Do you really think it's easier pay off a constituency to vote against their interests than to pay off a small group of politicians representing them? Even in a corrupted initiative process, this is harder than you might think and several studies have supported this.
ChannelMikeG 2 years ago
good point,and good solution ideas.
FoundATruth 2 years ago
Originally, democracy was practiced in a homogeneous Greek society, where participants were compatible in terms of background and interests. In our "Melding Pot," democracy is a much more challenging concept, due to the diversity of participants.
What troubles me is that media programming relentlessly inculcates 'idiocrity,' and then its victims are supposed to be relied upon to make responsible electoral choices. It's like getting someone drunk and asking them to perform brain surgery.
bootleggersouth 2 years ago 3
I think many of the assumptions of homogeneity here are false. Also I think there are several mischaracterizations of the Swiss. These are very common and this reminds me that I really need to write an essay on the subject.
Democracy is a tool and a process. Evaluating the process is important to understanding the nature of representation. A "democracy in chains" can be a useful tool for subjugation if people are not critical of the process and accept it as actual representation when it is not.
ChannelMikeG 2 years ago
Transparentacy is vital, which we don't have. The taxes we pay are used in to things we don't want or frankly don't know, the state should be us, but it nevr happens.
Barack0to0the0future 2 years ago
That's our corrupt system. When we have an election almost always it is a democrat or republican who wins. When both democrat and republican candidates suck, you're still faced with one being in office.
Thus they do not have to be for the people, they just have to appear to be more for the people than the other guy.
Once they get into office all bets are off...
AnduinX 2 years ago
This will never be eliminated, but could be improved by adding a NONE OF THE ABOVE option to the voting ballot. When all of the candidates suck, you simply vote NONE.
If NONE wins an election all of the candidates are flushed out and you have a new election with new candidates.
...so if both the democrat and the republican suck, you would no longer have to choose between them. Just keep flushing the toilet until a real candidate steps forward.
AnduinX 2 years ago
This will never happen though, because it challenges the current power structure. Our future will consist of an ever-expanding government that will restrict our freedom until it is eventually overthrown violently.
We are already basically slaves of the system.
AnduinX 2 years ago
There no republican, capitalist, liberal, pro Life, pro choice, conservative. That does not exits.
Kakarrato 2 years ago
What's the solution then?? Do like China?
jetttomaing 2 years ago
The ultimate end of every direct democracy is a big government take-over of some form heralded by the majority.
A constitution that protects and holds rights that cannot be infringed upon by the majority merely prolongs this process.
The constitutional democracy will persist for as long as the people are willing to fight for the constitution. When people cease to care about the constitution the government will chip away at the constitution until it becomes an uncontrolled direct democracy.
AnduinX 2 years ago
Now it's the second.
Eldxale 2 years ago
It would surely outlaw corporations influence. No corporate entity or unnatuarl human could help sponsor or vote on any innitiative.
larma7 2 years ago
Why not let the people become the source of the authority, when you advocate the State... The State is the source of the authority regardless how you polish it... You want the difference between now and direct democracy? Take the number of people in congress, and add X number of the majority. What is the difference? More Spending, more debt, increase legislation to violate more freedom, and no incentive to help the tax payer because they get paid anyway. Also the majority become the elite.
BIackOp 2 years ago
Simply put, Absolute Power corrupts Absolutely.
BIackOp 2 years ago
That's why power is best spread OUT thin.
B4ULoveShine 2 years ago
It is certainly not perfect, but I think D.D. is a feasible solution. I think the main problem with government through-out history is that people elected RULERS to decide things for them instead of deciding on things themselves.
Nazism was carried out by a select few elite minority; as with crimes of communism, Roman Empire, British empire and now the US empire. It is the elite minority that commits the crime, not the powerless majority that sits back and watches in apathy!
larma7 2 years ago
And I truly believe that the majority of people are benevolent. D.D. may not work close to perfect at first but it I believe we as humans and as a society are continuously evolving for the better. This is definitely true, as the US is becoming more secular than ever!
I agree though that an anarchist socialist society is the utopia, and I think D.D. works towards that!
larma7 2 years ago
I also do not want to be part of it. But will I need a majority vote to get out?
Chrisnoscrub047 2 years ago
video doesn't work, it stucks on 5 sec.
Quiestre 2 years ago
you forgot to mention canada although the parliamentarians would have you believe its a "constitutional democracy" as they put it and also it says right on the first page of our charter that basically we dont have individual freedoms we have group freedoms and thus we have the essence of socialism which is in fact in my view a subset of capitalism and the bridge between that and full out chicom communism i think peace
RunsWitGuns 2 years ago
I care
lllraverslll 2 years ago
yes but the truth truth lies in the individual - we just cant trust any of us. So in the end what will be right?
martialarm 2 years ago
To whom,InTheEndIWasRight' was your comment directed.
eldorado61guy 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
The law is not always right. InTheEndIWasRight,, You want to toe the party line because you have no real opinion.We have enough sheep as it is.
eldorado61guy 2 years ago
Its hard to have a system when it is altered by corruptions. Now is corruption natural within these systems?
martialarm 2 years ago
democrats giving over 3 million illegal immigrants amnesty for the purpose of more votes. Now thats what I call democracy..
vdubs4life1964 2 years ago
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you are an outcast if you don't follow the populous
agree with you 100%
lllraverslll 2 years ago
Right a situation is being created where Stupidity is the basic Religion.
TheToltec 2 years ago
Thanks Erik!
PolarBeamz 2 years ago
Any system could work. I mean any system. Even communism, but the problem is the people are not developed thinkers. Not developed in the spirit, on Earth. Under these conditions any system will fail. No matter what it is. People mainly act out of fear. Not an ideology, but actual inner growth. The most unpopular thing in the world. Unpopular because we gotta really work at inner growth. At 1st it is a nightmare to look inside. This is why most people give up at it. They realize complicity.
TheToltec 2 years ago
communism works well for ants and bees who are biologically hardwired to slave for the queen that they are virtually nothing more than mere spawns of. human sociology on the other hand is limited to peaceful interaction and mutually beneficial cooperation based on individual rational judgment. it has nothing to do with "spirit" and everything to do with genetics. if you'd rather be an ant, convert to hinduism and do cartwheels across a highway... haha jk, but real talk about the genetics thing.
chainzdown2dadik 2 years ago
eric you used continually rising to describe the debt. you should have used 'continuously', because continually implies periods of rest.
mortson978 2 years ago
Right on bro.
NewOperationDarkStar 2 years ago
Dude, don't listen to that guy . . . profanity can be a beautiful form of language if used properly. lol
larma7 2 years ago
its true. the founding fathers didnt want a democracy. they wanted liberty.
CoombesKidd 2 years ago
Then why did they form a republic and make owning people as property legal???
larma7 2 years ago
dumbass. what you just desrcibed is liberty. a democracy is where the people directly rule, but a republic is elected officials. they're entirely different things
CoombesKidd 2 years ago
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Eldxale 2 years ago
Hey man, I understand all your points. I just think the idea of anarchism is a dream utopia (just like statism, btw). However, I think the direct democracy form of statism is the most feasible way to solve the world's problems. Anarchists such as yourself do a great job exposing the evils of the state, but I think D.D. is the most feasible solution to those problems.
I'll continue talking with you later. Nice talking with you though, man!
larma7 2 years ago
Ok what will happen then?
I'm a complete economics newb BTW.
crazypants88 2 years ago
"Direct democracy is fine, I just don't want to be a part of it."
Well said same here
Good video
crazypants88 2 years ago 4
When do you think the US gov will defaults on it's debts?
crazypants88 2 years ago
california is a perfect example of why direct democracy is a bad idea.
chainzdown2dadik 2 years ago 14
I'm with you on that. I think both suck, BUT I rather live in a Democracy.
The system we have now, voting for a representative is like voting for either the electric chair or lethal injection. It's a no-win game. At least in Democracy we can get shit done faster (and probably bring out impending doom faster too).
ZamatoElite 2 years ago
If EVERYONE pays there fair share by use of something like a fair-tax or sales tax, then the coercion is fair. The coercion is unfair when certain groups pay more than the other.
"People don't decide whats its for the state does. Did you decide to invade Iraq or pay to bailout GM?"
-- Of course I didn't decide! I didn't have a say, did I? Only Bush and Congress had a say because we live in a Republic, NOT a Direct Democracy!
I'll check out your playlist.
larma7 2 years ago
Its not a Republic when the Constitution isn't obeyed... At least get the concepts right.. The Republic died along time ago. And they don't say we live in a Republic, they say its Democracy... As far as VOTING them scum suckers in... Sounds right. You might disagree with the direction, but didn't they say Obama still maintains that favorable opinion? Guess what? Majority says its okay.
BIackOp 2 years ago
taxes are scams, the people who print the money are asking for money, how cum? why not print a couple of trillion extra & leave my fake money alone?
MyCluein 2 years ago
Exactly, and these guys act like they are for freedom.
BIackOp 2 years ago
I am not being disingenuous. You stated that states are inherently evil, and I asked how are public services evil. Yes, the public services are funded by coercion. But if that coercion is fair and the taxes fund programs to your benefit then I don't see what is evil about that.
"a state is also not required to provide services to sustain life or educate"
-- It can if you want it to. All a state is is an organization funded by the collective. People can decide what they want to use it for.
larma7 2 years ago
to suggest that the state's ventures are for your benefit is extremely naive. putting the state in charge of your money deteriorates your wealth, all that you've worked hard for is taken from you by the state in the form of inflation for the benefit of "special" interests. to make the state your "sovereign" is virtually suicide, as the state carelessly harasses people of the world, your life is now in danger in the name of retaliation against such an oppressor, which happens to be your sovereign
chainzdown2dadik 2 years ago 3
"to suggest that the state's ventures are for your benefit is extremely naive."
-- Not if you vote on the ventures the state enforces.
If by "special interests" you mean public services like education, roads, health-care, police, fire-department, and armed forces, than yes, the state would be funded from the collective public in a FAIR manner. These ventures and actions of the state would be at the command of the majority, and if the majority are benevolent, then where is the problem?
larma7 2 years ago
if by special interests, you think i mean schools, police, military, etc, you are definitely naive, as you would also be for assuming the "benevolence" of a majority with power. special interests include excessive military spending to feed the pocket of weapons development companies, subsidies and special privileges granted to large corporations, and funding of invasive regimes such as israel. these are things that lots of dumb ass people support, so direct democracy will not put an end to it.
chainzdown2dadik 2 years ago 3
and direct democracy is a horrible idea because one; it can only be backed by violence and theft; and two; it is rule by the majority which history shows has always been significantly ignorant compared to a very small intellectual minority. and before you say, "that is the reason for schools", if the school curriculum is controlled by the majority, all that could possibly be achieved is the spreading and prolonging of ignorance and stupidity.
chainzdown2dadik 2 years ago 6
I know what you meant by "special interests". I am telling you that with Direct Democracy those kind of "special interests" would probably loose their funding! Why would the majority vote on things that would go against their best interests such as excessive military spending and corporate welfare?? Under D.D., corporations would be out-lawed from sponsoring and voting on legislation in anyway!
If people support funding Israel, then with their vote they would be held responsible for it.
larma7 2 years ago
But if people had a REAL choice to decide where funding goes (not some AIPAC in Congress deciding for them) why would they decide to send their tax dollars over to Israel instead of to public schools in the US???
The intellectuals voice will be empowered by Direct Democracy. They will not have to compete against large corporate influence, as corporate influence is outlawed in D.D.
larma7 2 years ago
Btw, you seem to have a very condescending view of majority of people. Good luck in a lawless society where every man is for his/her self!!! Because you know, it's hard to find a lot of good people to "organize" with if the majority of people are "ignorant" and "stupid"!
larma7 2 years ago
Public Schools? Okay lets do that, guess what.. More wasted money. You just funded a monopoly with no competition teaching kids rewritten history in a factory manner (that is not suppose to offend anyone).
I take it you think the Free Market is Corporations gone wild with no control and the people are mindless slaves with no voice of their own. But that isn't voluntary, nor action-reaction, also that is what you have basically today with the State acting in place of the people.
BIackOp 2 years ago
Why would they voted against Gays marrying? Because they are driven by their "morality", and they really never see the cost effect into such stupid legislation. The majority believe we should have alliances with other States, problem is this is just a collection of Centralized power in unity. People themselves are the ones on an individual basis should decide who their friends are, who to trade with... Voting has undermine this.
BIackOp 2 years ago
I couldn't believe what Oldhacks said in the past. He was talking about taxes, and instead of just a sales tax (which would actually shrink the State quite a bit, but good luck maintaining the power hunger) on all the products, he said... Lets put that on "particular" products, what does that mean? Extra punishment on certain businesses with MORALITY which hurts the Free Market to make a Black Market. And the demand for the involuntary tick sucking revenue will only increase.
BIackOp 2 years ago
I was just being nice to the Americans whom think a Republic is where it is at. Personally I am an anarchist. Fuck the State altogether. I live in Canada but I have no National pride. Why? What is the point? It is just another tool used by the Government to control the people.
spinalfluidontap 2 years ago 2
Democracy is far superior to a Republic.
In Democracy 51% of the people rule the other 49%. But in a Republic, the .0005% rules the other 99.0005%. Either way your being ruled, but the difference between the two is the people can make direct change in the Government instead of relying on a representative.
Now, that brings me to the representatives. How do you expect these retards to vote in a intelligent representative? George Bush, Sarah Palin, Barrack Obama....case and point?
ZamatoElite 2 years ago
That is not entirely true on the Republic.. You are confusing it with an Oligarchy or a Monarchy.. Republic is suppose to be base on rule of Law as the decision factor. Its more or less a temporary factor, as the law becomes powerless overtime by those wishing to control us. The ruling factor happens right when the actual Republic is no more. With America, that happened sometime during Washington's first term. Its really a short term failed experiment.
BIackOp 2 years ago
I think relying on the representatives to follow the law is just as ridiculous as relying on the Discovery Institute to actually tell the truth for once.
But you acknowledge this in your comment, and I 100% agree. The Government we have now is just a lobbyist and special interest play ground.
Our Government is completely sold out, and has been sold out since the Government issued its first bailout to Thomas Jefferson in the early 19th century.
ZamatoElite 2 years ago
Ha great job calling out OldHacks :)
and yeah democracy sucks, and the gradualism approach is the best way, there is no way to just over throw the gov. instantly one day.
444DeanMachine 2 years ago
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highwaysong007 2 years ago
Yes, political elections are different. That is electing a ruler to run your lives. That is not what I advocate.
"Even if the majority is calm and peaceful, forcing a subjective belief onto another is wrong."
-- Telling someone that you cannot rape, murder and steal is wrong??? States are only evil when they commit agression and immoral acts -- when they are unfair, discriminate, or agress. I don't see what is evil about them providing education and other services.
larma7 2 years ago
if you need some one to tell you what to do, hire a dominatrix don't empower a government, she's cheaper & more fun
MyCluein 2 years ago 3
Enjoy groovy things as well.
But could you at Least make better Efforts with improving the vocabulary by refraining from vulgar dialog. Using profane and Degenerate street Jargon will diminish the effective value of the message. Its possible for intelligent people like yourself to out shine HS dropouts like myself.
aesopstruth 2 years ago
A Republic that minds its own business is not a bad idea. What I mean is, if I am not hurting anyone leave me alone when I'm sitting on my porch smoking a joint.;-)
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spinalfluidontap 2 years ago
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crazypants88 2 years ago
I believe (and I assume most anarchists believe) that the majority of people are good intentioned and benevolent. People like working together and organize. Direct Democracy empowers the majority, and if the majority is benevolent, then I see no problem.
This refutes the claim that the state only empowers the malevolent who seek power. If everyone has a voice, the minority elite's power is vanquished and the benevolent should more often than not prevail.
larma7 2 years ago
But that's just it, with a democracy not everyone has a voice, only the majority does.
MachineLegion 2 years ago 2
But direct democracy would in effect force people to work collectively. It's not so easy to send people off to war or throw people in prison for smoking weed when you know that it was YOUR VOTE that authorized it!!! People in the US evade such responsiblity for these policies because we elect RULERS to make these decisions! Direct Democracy abolishes this apathy, as it holds people accontable for their choices.
larma7 2 years ago
It creates group thinking which is inherently destructive, which is why you end up with dipshits like neo-cons and democrats. As for the "you wont vote for it for it if it hurts people" idea, if that were true then prop 8 wouldn't have passed. Democracy is nothing more than tyranny more people get to participate in.
MachineLegion 2 years ago 3
Thanks.. I really really can't stand the idiots on the DEMOCRACY NOW videos... They keep changing the definition like not majority, oh no... EVERYONE.. barf.. If they wanted people to be free, why advocate the State in the first place? They are all for the people to have a say, but only through the words of a puppet in office. Total joke.. Also for having so much "faith" in the people, they sure like telling others they can't organize, problem solve, do stuff for themselves without the State..
BIackOp 2 years ago
Cool
82816a 2 years ago