Poor guy my a*** these german automatons used to shoot our guys when in 'shutes, they also straffed roads full of women children , old men, women etc as they were escaping from the invasions. They were mad dogs that needed to be stopped and we owe a huge debt to our guys of all nationalities and colours that fought, won and lost to keep us all free from the fascist cancer.
That is true, but again you have to think that this guy could of possibly killed some fellow soldiers of yours. When you swear that you will oppose all enemies foreign and domestic, he is an enemy and that only means one thing you must do.
I would likely have done the same, jump out I mean. Maybe he didn't think about that at the time and doing what most humans would do out of reaction; get out of burning plane as quickly as possible.
I remember reading that sometimes allied pilots got fooled by the germans when they punch in the methane mixture caz it gives up black smoke and they thought he was going down but that much smoke it just can't be... and panicked pilot may do a lot of things that 'you usualy wouldn't do'. but anyway thx for uploading the vid i was wondering for sometime where i had seen that with the bouncing pilot ^^
Vodkasvictim i must disagree the russians would have lost back in 42 if it wasn't for the British and Yanks and there suplies of ammo,trucks,some planes and construction products...
One more add the show is awesome but i never got why the hell the P-51's attacked a frikin Smoking 109? at that smoke it was just about to caught on fire... they just stole someone's kill... but nice episode whatsoever ^_^
The smoke is most likely actually exhaust from a methane mixture added to the air intake to give it extra power/speed. Note that the 109 is hauling ass, something a damaged aircraft usually didn't do.
i think No room for error should be nominated as the best dogfight episode because of its panoramic scenery of the Alpine mountains.. we really now made a real visit there. Thanks
If I was in Friedler's position I would do the same. Sure he wasn't a threat at the moment, but as soon as that guy got home he would've been given another aircraft and sent out on more sorties in which he may have killed more Allies. The thing is that many people have different emotions during war. Some feel sorrow, others fear, and I bet most of all, anger. Besides, he was asked to tell what happened that day and thats what he did.
wtf? do not give me this bullshit romanticized revisionism that Luftwaffe pilots were somehow knights in comparison as they brought Hitler's fight to free the world of gypsies & Jews to their new friends and neighbors.
be sure to watch .youtube(.)com/watch?v=Q8LVlYJ5eJU to hear about what happened to one of these knights in shiny armour
its like kick one whits boots into the stomach who is allready on the ground .. this is really good sample why the german pilots was the knigts of this time - search guncam here in youtube and u will see german pilots stop shooting when wheels out - not us or raf guncam clips - they even shoot me 262 with wheels out .. it ´s all here in youtube...
Yep, the P51 and her fighters were the best - it was only the yanks fighting the Germans in WW2, all the other countries didn't put up a fight at all and simply surrendered.
Now time for the truth: The yanks didn't fight alone and couldn't, they refused British advice in WW1 leading to costly mistakes and if the yanks hadn't joined in, the Russkis wouldve destroyed Hitler just like Napolean, just like theyll destroy China if she tries anything - history shows that the Russkis suffer, but win.
hey toober, why dont u post the "cig doctor?" here and post dogfights no room for error in its place,, i mean u swap places... Thanks toober i hope when u sit on the stool next time in the bathroom, think deeply how posting the rest of no room for error episode is important to us.
At one time the famous zero ace Saburo Sakai refused to attack an enemy douglas c- 47 when he realized that tha plane was carried injuried soldiers and nurses.
i wonder why people think here that fighter pilots flying jets are more in their own and not assigned to do a mission by their system.. like pauka13 thinks how saburo sakai is a good a a s when he let go of the c-47 bec it had nurses on board wow... duty is duty.. shoot down the air plane means to shoot it down.. no morales no ethics.. shoot means yes sir
I think that to shoot down the damaged me-109 was absolutely unnecessary. that pilot wasn't anyway to able to continue the fight. Sometimes war veterans saying that the only goal in dogfights was to destroy the planes and not their pilots. The right way was to let the men escape from their damaged aircrafts or give them the last chance to survive.
Its a shame that its not been turned into a documentary its propaganda it could be so much more
No one ever talks about the germans in the seats of those 190s your all talking about apple pie and mom or his wifes picture on the instrument panel and patriotic nonsense without realizing that the German remembers his moms stroodle and has a picture of his family as well.
Sorry i used tht kind of defenition but nobody realizes that there our 2 sides to every story
RE: The mama loving Germans that could be featured in the primary role... the do of course have the small burden of fighting for Hitler & the Nazi state in about the clearest case of race based war of aggression as has ever existed & then losing it. There's 2 sides of every story of course, and on one level they're there for the guy next to them etc, but that isn't the side that gets to have heroes made out of them. That just the way it is.
As far as this being propaganda, I would argue everything is propaganda when you break it down. This is basically a retelling of war stories from the guys who were there, ie: a personal oral history w/ additional background info, and dramatic music & narration that forms a basic mass market tv entertainment program that producers felt would get the most ratings from the viewing audience.
I agree with Plawranc. It's not the average soldier that gets to decide the particulars of the War's aims and goals. He is simply made to believe that it is in his and his family's best interest to fight for the cause. The rich wage wars, the poor fight them. I would bet that outside of the Third Reich's mental grip, that pilot wouldn't have cared less if you were a Jew or not. And to suggest that there were no racist American soldiers would be, and still is, ridiculous.
It reflects very poorly on us as Americans when one says one is "on a soap box" because they expect to learn of the Battle of Britain on a series about 'Dogfights'...
It reflects just as poorly its fans call anyone who wants to honor ALL veterans & their families who made the ultimate sacrifice let alone service as "drama queens".
As one historian on the History com webpage put it, it is like having fans of only one team do all the commentary, stats & camera work for Monday Night Football.
There are still some honorable and ethical American-produced series anymore like "The Century of Warfare", "Warplane" and "Fighters" that speak on the topic without bias. At least I think they are all American. British series are very good about being unbiased.
The sports analogy is great, even if it were just entertainment, we'd want impartiality, professionalism & the whole story.
You're right, reflects poorly of a show whose promoters use personal insults against those they disagree with.
I didn't say you were on a soap box for wanting to learn about the Battle of Britain, sth you did not mention except by oblique reference.
I said you were on a soap box & being a drama queen because you said "Easy to see how they got Iraq=A-bombs & 9/11." & "typically arrogant by not being ACCURATE in stating 'American War Stories' only.", respectively.
I've seen enough in my years on these here Internets to know it when I see it.
Your problem is expecting too much out of television.
It's not being on a soap-box to tell the truth, like the critics that had the Wikipedia description changed too.
The series marketed itself out to NON-AMERICAN HISTORY CHANNELS with the literal terms historical & documentary on the episode credits & home-page we bought them from.
Even that defense 'war stories' is typically arrogant by not being ACCURATE in stating 'American War Stories' only.
This attitude that the world should care only about US military victories does us no good.
These are war stories from our guys who were there, on a US basic cable channel for a US audience. I like hearing them. Some of those WW2 guys featured on this series r already dead & am glad I got to hear their stories.
It's not up to us to tell everybody else's story. We have our own to tell & no one will tell it for us if we don't.
btw, at least pretend to recognize that tv is a business and economic factors determine the content.
Almost every TV show is marketed internationally. There are trade shows for this kind of thing. They're ready for broadcast for the price of licensing & it's basically free $ for the show owners. it's a win-win-lose proposition. win for show producer, win for the licensee, & a loss for local tv production, but that's neither here nor there.
Perhaps these stations shouldn't buy this show and should produce their own programs featuring their own stories. I'm not aware of any laws against it.
It's pathetic propaganda, not history, look up the difference between the 2 terms.
"Dogfights" like "360" reports ONLY American victories, never defeats.
That is NOT the definition of either HISTORY nor DOCUMENTARY.
These programs and these fake-historians behave as if the only 'history' in war let alone the world has to do with America, not just America, but one-sided accounts of American-victories.
The History Channel's Dogfight series is one of the best informative and entertaining series on television today. I just checked out about 12 episodes on Netflix and I thought they were fantastic. The reenactments using computer graphics lend's itself well and hearing the first hand accounts from the pilots themselves adds to the package. I would like to own the entire series on DVD if they are available. 5 stars to the brave men and women of combat aviation. I salute you all.
And I know why they don't tell accounts of US fighters losing, well they never lived to tell their story did they.
BTW, half the Vietnam and Korean Dogfights end up in the US pilot bailing out, often directly into communist "hospitality".
Also just imagine the kids saying "Grandpa, tell us about the time you got your ass kicked and shot down like a punk in WWII". Who is honestly surprised that the victories are told more often than the defeats?
history is always told by the victorious. Thats just the way it is. The reality was different, but obviously at the end of the war, the germans and japanese suffered from a bad training/educational syllabus when their experienced aces got killed in combat. (they didn't rotate the experienced ace's back home for instructor duties like the US an british. especially japan suffered from this.)
You're right, the show never shows an American dogfighter losing to another dogfighter.
The episode on the Tuskegee Airman shows alot more class.
1st, the hero never abandons his wing-leader and 2nd they not only make sure the crippled foe can have time to bail-out, but circle the chute to the ground to make sure no-one goes & strafes parachutist.
The black Americans had class & in the book Luftwaffe Aces, the German pilots mention it with respect.
Please. this over-the-top hero-making of the Tuskeegee Airmen is bizarre. Isn't it enough that people try to make US airmen super flyers anyway? "The black Americans had class", I mean, really, it is as crazy as, "The white Americans had class" - riduclous, no?
For decades the TA allowed the myth to develop that they "never lost a plane", and that was absolute bollocks - they lost plenty of bombers. Only recently have some admitted the truth. And truth is what we need instead of myth.
I was wondering if anyone had the rest of the episode to post.I can´t find it anywhere.If you are not able to find the whole episode at leat the part in which shows Robin Olds victorys.
Honor has little to do with warfare. The main objective in a fight like that is to kill the other guy. Cruel, yes, but he'll end up coming back with a new weapon if you let him go.
I absolutley agree with you but there is no reason to make it look like an heroic act.
Most people still alive who fought in WW2 didnt speak a single time of what they did in WW2 because they know it didnt deserve any honor or talking about.
i feel like they do deserve a lot of honor, they had terrbile experiences in those planes. if it wouldve been the other way around im sure the german wouldve done the same. and i dont see him acting herioc about it all.... he sounds more like he's sorry about it, and i think he is. but hey, thats war
... except all the veterans accounts in all the documentaries about WWII.
I think you only need to ask some of the people who lived under Nazi or Japanese occupation to know that the soldiers, sailors and airmen deserve their honour for fighting against such a fierce and deadly enemy.
It certainly isn't as glorious or glamorous as the media may depict it, but are these people not worthy of honour? Not just for mourning their loss, but honouring their bravery against such an incredible evil.
That's moronic. There are rules to warfare, that's why we have War Crimes Trials, Dishonorable Discharges & Court Martials.
This was no different than strafing someone in a parachute.
There are 2 episodes including the P47 where German pilots let crippled Americans go, I don't see people saying they made mistake.
In Hellcat episode when Jap did same thing to crippled Hellcat, Dogfights called it 'barbaric' & 'bloodthirsty', here they call it 'balls to the walls' & 'great'.
hey boys, this is war. it's not a game. if a enemy pilot takes to the silk, fine he's out of the fight. but if he stays with his aircraft he is still a threat, many American pilots got kills while flying crippled aircraft. as long as you have guns,missiles,rockets, ETC. you are a threat to your enemy.
The writers of the series can't have it both ways. They can't say that it is bloodthirsty & butchery when the enemy does this to ours, & honourable when the enemy lets our guys in this situation go, then say it is the exact opposite when the positions are reversed.
If it is bloodthirsty for A to do it to B, then it is same for B to do to A.
And if it is honourable for A to let B go in circumstance C, then it is dishonourable for B not to do the same for A in same circumstance. It's hypocrisy.
Any pilot knows anything seen trailing that much smoke seen so far so low crippled. Lowry goes from 3:20 to 4:50 in shortened video record, THATS OVER A MINUTE NOT 1-2 SEC & they wouldnt catch it if it were hauling ass over 400, they say the P51s had to pull up slow. As they mention in the P47 episode, only crippled fighters don't climb high enough to bail out safely. That's why even they admit it was 'easy kill'=unnecessary. Series calls it bloodthirsty when enemy does it but heroic when we do.
This is a pathetic example of the bias & prejudice of the writers of this program. When the enemy attacks our crippled planes, they are 'butchers/murderers' as in the episodes over Japan & the P47.
Here 2 of ours take on an obviously crippled & finished Me109 just trying to escape.
I'm disgusted the writers pass the blame of the manner of death onto the 109 pilot as 'panicking'. What was he to do, blow or burn up with plane? He had no choice, Fiedler had choice. He knew no bail out possible.
Fiedler had the choice. That was no different than shooting someone in their parachute.
1st he says it was far to his right but the CGI go left. In Hellcat over Japan they call it 'butchery' when finishing a crippled US & 'honor' when a 109 waggled wings at a crippled US plane let him go.
They glorify US pilots shooting down cripples with no chance to bail out & Luma downing a Liason and Transport plane.
I remind you tho, this series doesn't research confirmation from foes.
'unexpected?' ridiculous, every air crew has nightmares about bailing out too low
'panicked?' ridiculous, like he was given a choice?
writers say it 'honorable' when 109 lets crippled P47 go
call it 'bloodthirsty butchery' when zero doesn't let crippled F6 go
but because saying 'unfortunate' after giggling about encounter where they could have let foe escape(like 109 did 47) or at least reach bail-out altitude that is different?
no japs. shoot down parachutes that's what makes them bad lol. also the plane is flying. it's a target nothing like shooting down parachutes, The Germans did the same thing smartass.
also that 109 is hauling ass. could have easly pulled up an bailed. but it's war shit happens. guys need to put your self in the cockpit. you only have about 1-2 sec's of thinking every move you do could be your last one.
sometimes i feel its bloody boring when he pauses the video to say someone is here and there, bloody sucks... and again when they restart the video to say the date and what happened from the begin to the moment they are in.... shit
daaam! i feel bad for that german pilot! i mean that was a horrible way to die! id rather get shot down and blown to pieces since thats a quick kill,i mean u only feel 3 sec of brutal pain until ur dead!
depends on the pilot some let go of the disabled some shoot them down.both sides some times shoot pilots that have bailed out in their parachute.(not a war crime BTW).
rude raptor it might be boring for hartmann cause he likes to sneak upon his opponent before shooting them down.he thinks that dogfighting is a stupid affair and he is right.
People are pretty critical of this series, and I understand the criticisms, but please remember, this is frickin' TV, and it is solely entertainment! If you treat it like it's mainly educational, you'll make yourself dumb. That said, this "no room for error" is the best story I've seen so far! Awesome.
so... Friedler is an ace with 5 victories: Why is that "Dogfight" serie ALWAYS coming up with stories, were the Americans won the dogfight? In this incident, more than 40 American planes were shot down while the Germans lost 12... But they keep on showing the American wins, giving the impression, that the Mustang was the better aircraft over the FW190. So for me, the "dogfight" series is a piece of entertainment, but SURELY not a historical documentation.
well, and on the question, which was the "better" plane, one can discuss for centuries without coming up with a clear answer... The American fighters had different objectives (protect) while the Germans were about to shoot down the bombers.... And there were of course different construction series (eg. FW190 - D).. Well and that's also why German pilots shot down up many more planes than the best American ace... it is all relative
German pilots racked up kills over badly outmatched air forces...France,Poland,Belgium,USSR...all had poorer planes then the Germans...the Battle of Britain changed all that and once better Americans fighters entered the war,it was over. Germany's failure to develop heavy bombers and a naval fleet doomed them in the West.
Your statement "Always let the Americans win" makes no sense. They won the encounters which the producers have chosen to feature but that does does not mean that they "let" them win as if it were a fictionalized account.
And explain how this is "tasteless."
I wonder if some of you people, in your mindless anti-Americanism would have preferred for the Axis powers to have won WWII.
For Christ's sake, give some credit where it is due. This was a justified war if there ever was one.
I think the complaint is that the program NEVER stars an enemy dogfighter shooting down an American. That's what all ethical historical documentaries do, show the victories of all sides, not just one. That doesn't mean the people who want to see fair representation of history are pro-Nazis or commies or whatever. It just means they expect ethical representation of the topic, just like your news sports caster calling the opponent's home-runs and touchdowns too, not just yours.
kind of hard to find combat vets from america's enemies, they tend to get killed. this is due to the fact that the dictatorships america fights never pull their best pilots back to train. therefore enemy aces get attrited.
well they did kamikaze documenty, with both Japanese and German survivers, they showed one of the germans ramming into a B-24 with no chutes coming out, but I don't think that's what you meean an I agree with you, you know show germans that got 200 kills over Americans and Soviets.
these guys are just jealous, they are probably british or european, they hate that europe isn't the big player on the world scene. so they lash out at the U.S. the fact is that the U.S. saved them twice from evil because they refuse to acknowledge Evil. even today they ignore evil when they find it. here we are saving them again yet they won't acknowledge it.
Being an American veteran all my buds agree, this production is what we call propaganda, not historical documentary.
We all grew up watching better series with interviews of many enemy pilots, though not Russian till recently.
This is the 1st & only such biased series I've seen.
It IS inexcusable to leave out the Battle of Britain.
It is like ur sportscaster reporting ONLY on your games no-one else's, only ur victories never losses & not even highlights or record of other team's touchdowns.
treu, but maybe giving everyone a rifle, and not sending the ones who dont to the battle, will help an awfull lot in keeping your men alive. still, massive respect for the ww2 fighting russians, toughest people in the war....
it may be the Americans lost 40 airplanes on this raid,but they lost bombers,not fighters.
The reason why the P-51 was the better plane was simple,the pilots. By 1944 most of better German pilots were dead and the replacements,while flying a better plane...just were not the better pilots.
jairogut. maybe he got damaged just a few minutes ago and did gain his airspeed while he went to lower altitude to hide from the enemy. and btw its a great animation dont complain about that :)
MM Let me think, yeah I´ve never heard of fw 190 with 4 30mm cannons, but the other ppl always get angry when I point out the many mistakes shown here.
Standard armament was two 20 mm cannons. The 30 mm cannons were wing pods. Two 30 mm cannons in wing pods were standard for anti-tank missions. 20 mm cannons were sometimes added in wing pods as well bringing the armament to 4x20 mm cannons.
Well it was not sports time it was war and you can not take a damaged enemy plane prisoner so taking him down was the right thing to do. If that pilot got away, he would have come again with a new plane.
From accounts I've read of the British Vs German side of the air war, both sides tended not to attack damaged planes. One spitfire pilot, I read of, even escorted a damaged 109 to the French side of the channel, to make sure he got there safely.
That's kind of unaceptable in my opinion because at war the main goal is to eliminate the enemy as cruel as it sounds. if you let a pilot go, he may come up later and kill you because you gave him a second chance.
Maybe so, but the war between the RAF and the Luftwaffe was less, vicious, than it was elsewhere. A feeling that some had was that dogfighting was more of a sport than war, the killing a rather unfortunate result. Killing someone returning home after, in a sporting sense, loosing a dogfight, was rather unfair, you wouldn't like the enemy to do it to you if you were in the same situation.
In a way dogfighting is a lethal game but not a war. maybe the pilots of both Air Forces had great respect for each other which is good but as a dogfighter I wouldn't have mercy for an enemy and would not expect an enemy to have mercy at me either.
Yeah but if u remember a bit of ww1 u will remember that pilots were something like the knights of the air.. that "chivalric" was somehow seen in some dogfights over the british channel.. so depends on the conflict
he's lucky he didn't get his fool head shot off. to risk a valuable airframe & pilot when England could ill afford to lose one is reckless. if more 109's came along they would have splashed the spitfire. better to deprive the enemy of a trained pilot. hurt his ability to wage war. where was that chivilry at Dachau, Aushuitz, or Bergen-Belson? funny how if it a Jew,Homosexual, Cathlic, or Gypsy then its just fine to kill a helpless person.
So u hav ea lot of knoledge u are the fanatic who trust everything the media show u.. u dont know that marketing tries to show everything impressive to keep dumb customers like you happy??? If they shown german aces shotting down ur inmortal heroes I bet half of the people would stop watching the show
In my opinion it would be great if the History Channel would show dogfights about German aces of World War II or Russian aces during the Cold War. the true fathers of aerial combats were the Germans, during World War I they created the first aircraft with machine guns mounted in the nose making it a pure fighter and they created most of the maneuvers for dogfighting that are still used today.
The three top scoring aces of all time were each Luftwaffe pilots. Eric Hartmann scored over 350 kills himself. You wouldn't even have to exaggerate to make that a great episode or even side series.
Yeah that`s a good point..... But if he was going at 400 mph he coudnt have done that manouver...... My point is that if the german saw the p51 doing something he woundt have gone just straight... for example if he had more speed he would have started a climbing spiral or something
lol dude if u are behind a car (u know how to drive no) and it turns left wouldnt u turn left too? but no u go straght ahead and do not make any manouver..... dude no way in the way they shown that here....
I am not calling him a liar... I am just telling that it is impossible to get an enemy aircraft in that stupid way.. (like they shown) so I mean history channel should make more accurate animations... Imagine yourself behind an enemy aircraft.... if it climbs woundnt u climb with him? or if it rolls ??? But no the experienced german pilot decided to go straight and get killed in that way... I just say it was "rendered" very bad
And dont tell me he wasnt experienced because by all accounts they were fighting on the vertical plane (not in the horizontal) and that makes a pilot experienced at least
a damaged 109 doesn't fly at 400mph.. thats practically its top speed.. its not going to fly that fast if its smoking! be rational! and most likely, the german didn't see the americans before they opened fire.. there may be many reasons why he didn't maneuver. he might be seriously wounded before those americans saw him, making it difficult for him to maneuver his aircraft properly.. there's many factors here.
(water-methonol mixture). that yould have boosted its engine VERY much, but as it was a crippled engine i the engine might have literally exploded or just burst into flames.
i wounder why didnt the me 109 pull up and bail out then. he had enough 'E' to zoom climb to at least 500m, safe enough to bale out. the again we would all panic in that kind of situation ,wouldn't we?
Its imposible to believe the way in were the Fw was killed...... Nobody who knows a little of this would think that happened like History Chanel shows us....lol....
I wouldn't call a B-17 "defenseless", but it is war, kill or be killed. And every time american bomber is shot down, it's ten men killed or captured, while german fighter pilot is flying over friendly territory.
the b17 arent called flying fortresses for nothing.what are the guns for.
Luftwaffe pilots are more afraid of flying against bomber formations than fighter formations cause bomber formations have heavy defensive fire all around the air,not to mention the escorts.the german pilots can do everything by the book and still get shot down.against fighters they have a chance by using their skills to survive.
Me too, I did not like it, but as the others said, it's war. In war, you must destroy as many enemy equipements as you can. Every single enemy planes shot down can save the lives of many friendly soldiers because the enemy can't use them anymore. By shooting the damaged ME 109, he probably save the lives of many friendly soldiers.
Why didn't Lowry or Friedler claim the Me109 as a kill??? you know hush it up and score 1!!! who cares if anyone else claimed it damaged who is gonna know who didn't shoot it down!
As you can see Art is putting rounds into that ME109 as they are flying on the deck. The 109 catches fire, he has 2 options stay with the plane and burn to death or open the canopy and jump. At 400mph and 10 feet off the deck, he didn't really have a choice in the matter. They didn't have ejection seats back then. Like they said the pilot was paniced, who knows what one would do in that situation.
I gather none of you guys are pilots - much less fighter pilots. I hear a lot of clueless pontificating here and not much else.
prpiner 3 weeks ago
the german was low to blend in with the ground and trees hoping he would not be seen by alliade fighter pliots
MrFluffy1979 3 months ago
yes some germans did shoot British pliots on parachutes, but germans like Adolf Garland did not, if he hated Hitler and the Nazis
MrFluffy1979 3 months ago
Poor guy my a*** these german automatons used to shoot our guys when in 'shutes, they also straffed roads full of women children , old men, women etc as they were escaping from the invasions. They were mad dogs that needed to be stopped and we owe a huge debt to our guys of all nationalities and colours that fought, won and lost to keep us all free from the fascist cancer.
alexiswolfe 5 months ago
Poor German guy, I would have let him go. That was like an execution.
LethalPenguin92 11 months ago
1:23 right into the house! :-) The people in there were like WTFFFFF!!!!?????
KidoSire 1 year ago
2 Germans Oooh my god what a great twist i love this show.
KickenItOldSchool 1 year ago
why was he so low?
buzzymcbuzz 2 years ago
I admit, that must have been pretty gruesome to see human body bounce like that - meatbomb.
As for the whole 'shooting crippled plane' and such. Horrible things are done in horrible thing as war.
Rogentx 2 years ago
That is true, but again you have to think that this guy could of possibly killed some fellow soldiers of yours. When you swear that you will oppose all enemies foreign and domestic, he is an enemy and that only means one thing you must do.
larsulrich3356 1 year ago
if i was ther german i would of rather bounced to death than burn alive while crashing...
when the planes on fire its time to pull out the handgun put one in ur head or jump out...lol...
51mikep 1 year ago
I would likely have done the same, jump out I mean. Maybe he didn't think about that at the time and doing what most humans would do out of reaction; get out of burning plane as quickly as possible.
Rogentx 1 year ago
I remember reading that sometimes allied pilots got fooled by the germans when they punch in the methane mixture caz it gives up black smoke and they thought he was going down but that much smoke it just can't be... and panicked pilot may do a lot of things that 'you usualy wouldn't do'. but anyway thx for uploading the vid i was wondering for sometime where i had seen that with the bouncing pilot ^^
Tomcat165 2 years ago
Vodkasvictim i must disagree the russians would have lost back in 42 if it wasn't for the British and Yanks and there suplies of ammo,trucks,some planes and construction products...
One more add the show is awesome but i never got why the hell the P-51's attacked a frikin Smoking 109? at that smoke it was just about to caught on fire... they just stole someone's kill... but nice episode whatsoever ^_^
Tomcat165 2 years ago
The smoke is most likely actually exhaust from a methane mixture added to the air intake to give it extra power/speed. Note that the 109 is hauling ass, something a damaged aircraft usually didn't do.
YouT00ber 2 years ago
I love this show! :D
xSoilderx 2 years ago 4
3:58 =O o_O
BlazingAngels220099 2 years ago
i think No room for error should be nominated as the best dogfight episode because of its panoramic scenery of the Alpine mountains.. we really now made a real visit there. Thanks
alyelhadad 2 years ago
The Russkies couldn't have done Jack SHIT! Without us arming them! The USA kicks major ASS!
kevsart 2 years ago
a killl is a klill
phonix032 2 years ago 2
If I was in Friedler's position I would do the same. Sure he wasn't a threat at the moment, but as soon as that guy got home he would've been given another aircraft and sent out on more sorties in which he may have killed more Allies. The thing is that many people have different emotions during war. Some feel sorrow, others fear, and I bet most of all, anger. Besides, he was asked to tell what happened that day and thats what he did.
Runner0202 2 years ago
wtf? do not give me this bullshit romanticized revisionism that Luftwaffe pilots were somehow knights in comparison as they brought Hitler's fight to free the world of gypsies & Jews to their new friends and neighbors.
be sure to watch .youtube(.)com/watch?v=Q8LVlYJ5eJU to hear about what happened to one of these knights in shiny armour
YouT00ber 2 years ago
... irgendwie kotzt youtube mich an....
as allways the stories write the winners
"if" i shoot a smoking 109 i not will tell it
its like kick one whits boots into the stomach who is allready on the ground .. this is really good sample why the german pilots was the knigts of this time - search guncam here in youtube and u will see german pilots stop shooting when wheels out - not us or raf guncam clips - they even shoot me 262 with wheels out .. it ´s all here in youtube...
urbansoldier1 2 years ago
luftwaffe pilots shot at pilots hanging in their parachute after having shot down their planes.....
especially in the sep campaign in 1939.. they shot at polish pilot after they killed their planes,..
see nazi atrocities at: elknet . pl / acestory
alyelhadad 2 years ago
these people lives to tell the story. A lot of American were shot down and where not super human as this doc potray them as.
The Germans had the best pilots and the Me109 "K" was the best fighter of ww2 PERIOD!
Ialocin85 2 years ago
Ha ha, keep dreaming.
The Luftwaffe LOST, and the P51 and her pilots were the BEST.
Get over it and move on with your so-called life.
HayateAce 2 years ago
keep dreaming. Its a fact that the "K" was the fastest fighter...it also could climb the highest.
the best german fighters died before USA started invading Europe.
Ialocin85 2 years ago
Fail.
The best german "fighters" died at the hands of P38's, P47's and P51's.
Hitler built a fortress around Europe....but he forgot to put a roof on it.
:)
HayateAce 2 years ago 3
i just know it as a fact. Hitler was a racist idiot.
Ialocin85 2 years ago 2
lol
i like the roof part
HiredForLife24 2 years ago
Yep, the P51 and her fighters were the best - it was only the yanks fighting the Germans in WW2, all the other countries didn't put up a fight at all and simply surrendered.
Now time for the truth: The yanks didn't fight alone and couldn't, they refused British advice in WW1 leading to costly mistakes and if the yanks hadn't joined in, the Russkis wouldve destroyed Hitler just like Napolean, just like theyll destroy China if she tries anything - history shows that the Russkis suffer, but win.
vodkasvictim 2 years ago 4
@vodkasvictim yeah comrad just ask czar what his face
tooms351 2 years ago
No Tsar in WW2 m8 - Russia already Communist by then.
vodkasvictim 2 years ago
i hope u constipate.. bec probably you will think more deep..
xthexparrot 2 years ago
you really know how to convince a guy. just for that, i'm not going to do it. oh, and you're blocked for being a douche
YouT00ber 2 years ago
hey toober, why dont u post the "cig doctor?" here and post dogfights no room for error in its place,, i mean u swap places... Thanks toober i hope when u sit on the stool next time in the bathroom, think deeply how posting the rest of no room for error episode is important to us.
xthexparrot 2 years ago
I liked the MiG-17 that flew by its own nearthe CAP. =) it was sexy
alyelhadad 2 years ago
Damn it, that was a perfectly good barn!
TaskforceDingbat 2 years ago
That 109 was a good kill :)
also the barrel roll for the P-51 is a great move because anything else would have given the FW-190 a shot also he still had the speed to kill the 190
wow
grodspc 2 years ago
I feel bad for that luftwaffe pilot.
shouavaj12 2 years ago
At one time the famous zero ace Saburo Sakai refused to attack an enemy douglas c- 47 when he realized that tha plane was carried injuried soldiers and nurses.
pauka13 3 years ago
Saburo Sakai was definately a great guy. Thanks for the reference, I'd encourage anyone to read more about him.
YouT00ber 3 years ago
i wonder why people think here that fighter pilots flying jets are more in their own and not assigned to do a mission by their system.. like pauka13 thinks how saburo sakai is a good a a s when he let go of the c-47 bec it had nurses on board wow... duty is duty.. shoot down the air plane means to shoot it down.. no morales no ethics.. shoot means yes sir
xthexparrot 2 years ago
I think that to shoot down the damaged me-109 was absolutely unnecessary. that pilot wasn't anyway to able to continue the fight. Sometimes war veterans saying that the only goal in dogfights was to destroy the planes and not their pilots. The right way was to let the men escape from their damaged aircrafts or give them the last chance to survive.
pauka13 3 years ago
Its a shame that its not been turned into a documentary its propaganda it could be so much more
No one ever talks about the germans in the seats of those 190s your all talking about apple pie and mom or his wifes picture on the instrument panel and patriotic nonsense without realizing that the German remembers his moms stroodle and has a picture of his family as well.
Sorry i used tht kind of defenition but nobody realizes that there our 2 sides to every story
Plawranc 3 years ago 2
RE: The mama loving Germans that could be featured in the primary role... the do of course have the small burden of fighting for Hitler & the Nazi state in about the clearest case of race based war of aggression as has ever existed & then losing it. There's 2 sides of every story of course, and on one level they're there for the guy next to them etc, but that isn't the side that gets to have heroes made out of them. That just the way it is.
YouT00ber 3 years ago
As far as this being propaganda, I would argue everything is propaganda when you break it down. This is basically a retelling of war stories from the guys who were there, ie: a personal oral history w/ additional background info, and dramatic music & narration that forms a basic mass market tv entertainment program that producers felt would get the most ratings from the viewing audience.
YouT00ber 3 years ago
The 1 difference between A normal german soldier and a normal american soldier is the language they speak
The SS and The hireachy are to blame but the soldiers and pilots are just victims of this whole debacle
Plawranc 3 years ago
I agree with Plawranc. It's not the average soldier that gets to decide the particulars of the War's aims and goals. He is simply made to believe that it is in his and his family's best interest to fight for the cause. The rich wage wars, the poor fight them. I would bet that outside of the Third Reich's mental grip, that pilot wouldn't have cared less if you were a Jew or not. And to suggest that there were no racist American soldiers would be, and still is, ridiculous.
TaskforceDingbat 2 years ago
It reflects very poorly on us as Americans when one says one is "on a soap box" because they expect to learn of the Battle of Britain on a series about 'Dogfights'...
It reflects just as poorly its fans call anyone who wants to honor ALL veterans & their families who made the ultimate sacrifice let alone service as "drama queens".
As one historian on the History com webpage put it, it is like having fans of only one team do all the commentary, stats & camera work for Monday Night Football.
WileyCoyoteAcme 3 years ago 2
There are still some honorable and ethical American-produced series anymore like "The Century of Warfare", "Warplane" and "Fighters" that speak on the topic without bias. At least I think they are all American. British series are very good about being unbiased.
The sports analogy is great, even if it were just entertainment, we'd want impartiality, professionalism & the whole story.
You're right, reflects poorly of a show whose promoters use personal insults against those they disagree with.
Stuperducker 3 years ago
I didn't say you were on a soap box for wanting to learn about the Battle of Britain, sth you did not mention except by oblique reference.
I said you were on a soap box & being a drama queen because you said "Easy to see how they got Iraq=A-bombs & 9/11." & "typically arrogant by not being ACCURATE in stating 'American War Stories' only.", respectively.
I've seen enough in my years on these here Internets to know it when I see it.
Your problem is expecting too much out of television.
YouT00ber 3 years ago
It's not being on a soap-box to tell the truth, like the critics that had the Wikipedia description changed too.
The series marketed itself out to NON-AMERICAN HISTORY CHANNELS with the literal terms historical & documentary on the episode credits & home-page we bought them from.
Even that defense 'war stories' is typically arrogant by not being ACCURATE in stating 'American War Stories' only.
This attitude that the world should care only about US military victories does us no good.
WileyCoyoteAcme 3 years ago 2
ok, then stop acting like a drama queen.
These are war stories from our guys who were there, on a US basic cable channel for a US audience. I like hearing them. Some of those WW2 guys featured on this series r already dead & am glad I got to hear their stories.
It's not up to us to tell everybody else's story. We have our own to tell & no one will tell it for us if we don't.
btw, at least pretend to recognize that tv is a business and economic factors determine the content.
YouT00ber 3 years ago
Almost every TV show is marketed internationally. There are trade shows for this kind of thing. They're ready for broadcast for the price of licensing & it's basically free $ for the show owners. it's a win-win-lose proposition. win for show producer, win for the licensee, & a loss for local tv production, but that's neither here nor there.
Perhaps these stations shouldn't buy this show and should produce their own programs featuring their own stories. I'm not aware of any laws against it.
YouT00ber 3 years ago
oh get off the soapbax. these are "war stories" and not history lessons or documentaries.
YouT00ber 3 years ago
It's pathetic propaganda, not history, look up the difference between the 2 terms.
"Dogfights" like "360" reports ONLY American victories, never defeats.
That is NOT the definition of either HISTORY nor DOCUMENTARY.
These programs and these fake-historians behave as if the only 'history' in war let alone the world has to do with America, not just America, but one-sided accounts of American-victories.
So much for ethics and impartiality.
Easy to see how they got Iraq=A-bombs & 9/11.
Stuperducker 3 years ago
The History Channel's Dogfight series is one of the best informative and entertaining series on television today. I just checked out about 12 episodes on Netflix and I thought they were fantastic. The reenactments using computer graphics lend's itself well and hearing the first hand accounts from the pilots themselves adds to the package. I would like to own the entire series on DVD if they are available. 5 stars to the brave men and women of combat aviation. I salute you all.
carnivalofsouls2047 3 years ago
0:42 Star Fox!! DO A BARREL ROLL!!!
And I know why they don't tell accounts of US fighters losing, well they never lived to tell their story did they.
BTW, half the Vietnam and Korean Dogfights end up in the US pilot bailing out, often directly into communist "hospitality".
Also just imagine the kids saying "Grandpa, tell us about the time you got your ass kicked and shot down like a punk in WWII". Who is honestly surprised that the victories are told more often than the defeats?
Treblaine 3 years ago
history is always told by the victorious. Thats just the way it is. The reality was different, but obviously at the end of the war, the germans and japanese suffered from a bad training/educational syllabus when their experienced aces got killed in combat. (they didn't rotate the experienced ace's back home for instructor duties like the US an british. especially japan suffered from this.)
RickyboyH 3 years ago
You're right, the show never shows an American dogfighter losing to another dogfighter.
The episode on the Tuskegee Airman shows alot more class.
1st, the hero never abandons his wing-leader and 2nd they not only make sure the crippled foe can have time to bail-out, but circle the chute to the ground to make sure no-one goes & strafes parachutist.
The black Americans had class & in the book Luftwaffe Aces, the German pilots mention it with respect.
P47 episode German pilot let US pilot go.
WileyCoyoteAcme 3 years ago 2
Please. this over-the-top hero-making of the Tuskeegee Airmen is bizarre. Isn't it enough that people try to make US airmen super flyers anyway? "The black Americans had class", I mean, really, it is as crazy as, "The white Americans had class" - riduclous, no?
For decades the TA allowed the myth to develop that they "never lost a plane", and that was absolute bollocks - they lost plenty of bombers. Only recently have some admitted the truth. And truth is what we need instead of myth.
jum1801 3 years ago 2
what a load of crap and you know it!
BlikjeBier 3 years ago
I was wondering if anyone had the rest of the episode to post.I can´t find it anywhere.If you are not able to find the whole episode at leat the part in which shows Robin Olds victorys.
privatesteverogers 3 years ago
What a heroic shotdown.
Killing a damaged plane above ground.
If he owns any sense of honor he would have shut up about that shotdown.
Peacekeeper118 3 years ago 3
Honor has little to do with warfare. The main objective in a fight like that is to kill the other guy. Cruel, yes, but he'll end up coming back with a new weapon if you let him go.
darkdill 3 years ago
I absolutley agree with you but there is no reason to make it look like an heroic act.
Most people still alive who fought in WW2 didnt speak a single time of what they did in WW2 because they know it didnt deserve any honor or talking about.
Peacekeeper118 3 years ago
i feel like they do deserve a lot of honor, they had terrbile experiences in those planes. if it wouldve been the other way around im sure the german wouldve done the same. and i dont see him acting herioc about it all.... he sounds more like he's sorry about it, and i think he is. but hey, thats war
elvee88 3 years ago
... except all the veterans accounts in all the documentaries about WWII.
I think you only need to ask some of the people who lived under Nazi or Japanese occupation to know that the soldiers, sailors and airmen deserve their honour for fighting against such a fierce and deadly enemy.
It certainly isn't as glorious or glamorous as the media may depict it, but are these people not worthy of honour? Not just for mourning their loss, but honouring their bravery against such an incredible evil.
Treblaine 3 years ago
My personal opinion is still that they dont fight evil itself, they just fight against other men.
Which ends at the fact that you can´t kill evil by killing men.
Its just luck the "heroes" where not born in an "evil" country.
Peacekeeper118 3 years ago
That's moronic. There are rules to warfare, that's why we have War Crimes Trials, Dishonorable Discharges & Court Martials.
This was no different than strafing someone in a parachute.
There are 2 episodes including the P47 where German pilots let crippled Americans go, I don't see people saying they made mistake.
In Hellcat episode when Jap did same thing to crippled Hellcat, Dogfights called it 'barbaric' & 'bloodthirsty', here they call it 'balls to the walls' & 'great'.
HUGE hypocrites.
Stuperducker 3 years ago
UN suckd
brdeny 3 years ago
poor german guy =[
Jaewon12345 3 years ago 6
@Jaewon12345 Yes... he should have let him go !! that wasn`t fair !!
beckenheim101 1 year ago
hey boys, this is war. it's not a game. if a enemy pilot takes to the silk, fine he's out of the fight. but if he stays with his aircraft he is still a threat, many American pilots got kills while flying crippled aircraft. as long as you have guns,missiles,rockets, ETC. you are a threat to your enemy.
kdraper2007 3 years ago
The writers of the series can't have it both ways. They can't say that it is bloodthirsty & butchery when the enemy does this to ours, & honourable when the enemy lets our guys in this situation go, then say it is the exact opposite when the positions are reversed.
If it is bloodthirsty for A to do it to B, then it is same for B to do to A.
And if it is honourable for A to let B go in circumstance C, then it is dishonourable for B not to do the same for A in same circumstance. It's hypocrisy.
cornergasser 3 years ago 4
Any pilot knows anything seen trailing that much smoke seen so far so low crippled. Lowry goes from 3:20 to 4:50 in shortened video record, THATS OVER A MINUTE NOT 1-2 SEC & they wouldnt catch it if it were hauling ass over 400, they say the P51s had to pull up slow. As they mention in the P47 episode, only crippled fighters don't climb high enough to bail out safely. That's why even they admit it was 'easy kill'=unnecessary. Series calls it bloodthirsty when enemy does it but heroic when we do.
DukeTrueGrit 3 years ago 2
This is a pathetic example of the bias & prejudice of the writers of this program. When the enemy attacks our crippled planes, they are 'butchers/murderers' as in the episodes over Japan & the P47.
Here 2 of ours take on an obviously crippled & finished Me109 just trying to escape.
I'm disgusted the writers pass the blame of the manner of death onto the 109 pilot as 'panicking'. What was he to do, blow or burn up with plane? He had no choice, Fiedler had choice. He knew no bail out possible.
DukeTrueGrit 3 years ago 3
Your right sir.
Fiedler had the choice. That was no different than shooting someone in their parachute.
1st he says it was far to his right but the CGI go left. In Hellcat over Japan they call it 'butchery' when finishing a crippled US & 'honor' when a 109 waggled wings at a crippled US plane let him go.
They glorify US pilots shooting down cripples with no chance to bail out & Luma downing a Liason and Transport plane.
I remind you tho, this series doesn't research confirmation from foes.
wargamer102 3 years ago
did you even listen to what the pilot said that shot him down? dumbass
Dogmeat7 3 years ago
'unexpected?' ridiculous, every air crew has nightmares about bailing out too low
'panicked?' ridiculous, like he was given a choice?
writers say it 'honorable' when 109 lets crippled P47 go
call it 'bloodthirsty butchery' when zero doesn't let crippled F6 go
but because saying 'unfortunate' after giggling about encounter where they could have let foe escape(like 109 did 47) or at least reach bail-out altitude that is different?
109 obviously finished
no different than strafing parachutist
cornergasser 3 years ago 2
no japs. shoot down parachutes that's what makes them bad lol. also the plane is flying. it's a target nothing like shooting down parachutes, The Germans did the same thing smartass.
Dogmeat7 3 years ago
also that 109 is hauling ass. could have easly pulled up an bailed. but it's war shit happens. guys need to put your self in the cockpit. you only have about 1-2 sec's of thinking every move you do could be your last one.
Dogmeat7 3 years ago
sometimes i feel its bloody boring when he pauses the video to say someone is here and there, bloody sucks... and again when they restart the video to say the date and what happened from the begin to the moment they are in.... shit
alielhaddad 3 years ago
well, at least I took the commercial breaks out ;)
YouT00ber 3 years ago
you can't please some people.
kdraper2007 3 years ago
DAMN!!!!!!!!! he got you!
Redeemedsinner17 3 years ago
daaam! i feel bad for that german pilot! i mean that was a horrible way to die! id rather get shot down and blown to pieces since thats a quick kill,i mean u only feel 3 sec of brutal pain until ur dead!
magicstorm1 3 years ago
Ya, I agree.
dpfreak29 3 years ago
No.Germans were badasses.
alielhaddad 3 years ago
lol can you say faceplant?
ArmyReconUnit993 3 years ago
depends on the pilot some let go of the disabled some shoot them down.both sides some times shoot pilots that have bailed out in their parachute.(not a war crime BTW).
colchekov19 3 years ago
Whoever wins the war , writes the history books . Oh ,a makes the dogfight episodes .
So you wont see a dogfight series with Hartmann or Rall .
RudeRaptor 3 years ago
rude raptor it might be boring for hartmann cause he likes to sneak upon his opponent before shooting them down.he thinks that dogfighting is a stupid affair and he is right.
colchekov19 3 years ago
People are pretty critical of this series, and I understand the criticisms, but please remember, this is frickin' TV, and it is solely entertainment! If you treat it like it's mainly educational, you'll make yourself dumb. That said, this "no room for error" is the best story I've seen so far! Awesome.
brizzlie 3 years ago 2
so... Friedler is an ace with 5 victories: Why is that "Dogfight" serie ALWAYS coming up with stories, were the Americans won the dogfight? In this incident, more than 40 American planes were shot down while the Germans lost 12... But they keep on showing the American wins, giving the impression, that the Mustang was the better aircraft over the FW190. So for me, the "dogfight" series is a piece of entertainment, but SURELY not a historical documentation.
fobalis 3 years ago 2
It is kind of for entertainment.
It's not like what they're showing is false, but to be fair the Mustang was a better plane than the Fw-190.
Raptor747 3 years ago
well, and on the question, which was the "better" plane, one can discuss for centuries without coming up with a clear answer... The American fighters had different objectives (protect) while the Germans were about to shoot down the bombers.... And there were of course different construction series (eg. FW190 - D).. Well and that's also why German pilots shot down up many more planes than the best American ace... it is all relative
fobalis 3 years ago
German pilots racked up kills over badly outmatched air forces...France,Poland,Belgium,USSR...all had poorer planes then the Germans...the Battle of Britain changed all that and once better Americans fighters entered the war,it was over. Germany's failure to develop heavy bombers and a naval fleet doomed them in the West.
hereandthere42 3 years ago
thats simply not true,
erich hartmann started his fighter pilot career in oktober 1942, long after the battle of britain. and he scored 352 kills.
please keep such childish und historically wrong statements to yourself, some naive youtube users may believe them.
lokuzzz 3 years ago
yea, its so lame,
the dogfight series always let the americans win. of course its entertainment but it presents itself as a documentary.
imo its tasteless.
lokuzzz 3 years ago
Your statement "Always let the Americans win" makes no sense. They won the encounters which the producers have chosen to feature but that does does not mean that they "let" them win as if it were a fictionalized account.
And explain how this is "tasteless."
I wonder if some of you people, in your mindless anti-Americanism would have preferred for the Axis powers to have won WWII.
For Christ's sake, give some credit where it is due. This was a justified war if there ever was one.
Hume77 3 years ago
I think the complaint is that the program NEVER stars an enemy dogfighter shooting down an American. That's what all ethical historical documentaries do, show the victories of all sides, not just one. That doesn't mean the people who want to see fair representation of history are pro-Nazis or commies or whatever. It just means they expect ethical representation of the topic, just like your news sports caster calling the opponent's home-runs and touchdowns too, not just yours.
cornergasser 3 years ago 4
kind of hard to find combat vets from america's enemies, they tend to get killed. this is due to the fact that the dictatorships america fights never pull their best pilots back to train. therefore enemy aces get attrited.
kdraper2007 3 years ago
well they did kamikaze documenty, with both Japanese and German survivers, they showed one of the germans ramming into a B-24 with no chutes coming out, but I don't think that's what you meean an I agree with you, you know show germans that got 200 kills over Americans and Soviets.
Redeemedsinner17 3 years ago
these guys are just jealous, they are probably british or european, they hate that europe isn't the big player on the world scene. so they lash out at the U.S. the fact is that the U.S. saved them twice from evil because they refuse to acknowledge Evil. even today they ignore evil when they find it. here we are saving them again yet they won't acknowledge it.
kdraper2007 3 years ago
Being an American veteran all my buds agree, this production is what we call propaganda, not historical documentary.
We all grew up watching better series with interviews of many enemy pilots, though not Russian till recently.
This is the 1st & only such biased series I've seen.
It IS inexcusable to leave out the Battle of Britain.
It is like ur sportscaster reporting ONLY on your games no-one else's, only ur victories never losses & not even highlights or record of other team's touchdowns.
wargamer102 3 years ago 7
thanks
tj
terryjohn 3 years ago
during the ww2 usa dose nothink russian made all the work an the usa came and say we had win the war we are hero
usa lost about 500000 guy in ww2 russian 10 000 000 ther is no posible compar
FoXBaT360 3 years ago 2
Russia lost most of its people to its own men.
I wouldnt call that a win situation :P
Peacekeeper118 3 years ago
treu, but maybe giving everyone a rifle, and not sending the ones who dont to the battle, will help an awfull lot in keeping your men alive. still, massive respect for the ww2 fighting russians, toughest people in the war....
elvee88 3 years ago
it may be the Americans lost 40 airplanes on this raid,but they lost bombers,not fighters.
The reason why the P-51 was the better plane was simple,the pilots. By 1944 most of better German pilots were dead and the replacements,while flying a better plane...just were not the better pilots.
hereandthere42 3 years ago
Is there no ace videos from the German side???
Like some from galland or from eric hartmann???
kennethHaugan 3 years ago
Not produced by this show so far, & since there's no season 3, probably won't be.
YouT00ber 3 years ago
too bad they didnt have ejection seats back then..
and it was called bailing out instead of ejection..
it's kinda funny to climb out of the cockpit in flight
bloodandroid 4 years ago
I'd rather spare him than to be an ace in a gory way.
japz0021 4 years ago 2
Yeah. Payback time. :)
japz0021 4 years ago
jairogut. maybe he got damaged just a few minutes ago and did gain his airspeed while he went to lower altitude to hide from the enemy. and btw its a great animation dont complain about that :)
sweet2k4 4 years ago
dear god
that german pilot dying in sich a way...
i wouldve been scarred for life for witnessing that
airstation86 4 years ago
and for the way Art Fiedler talks about it, and his expression, he still regrets it.
sergionuno 4 years ago 2
he's human for god sake !
thuval3 4 years ago
that´s what im saying, im not condeming him.
sergionuno 4 years ago
a real fw 190 can take more damage than that
ME262MKI 4 years ago
A real P51 could shoot more bullets than that....
YouT00ber 4 years ago
What an ignorant comment..
The LW was full of rookies at that time.
GenMata 4 years ago
AND A REAL FW 190 CANT HAVE 4, 30 MM GUNS
ME262MKI 4 years ago
Depending.. if it was a sturmgruppe A8 it could have 6 20mm cannons or 2 mk104 30mm cannons
jairogut 4 years ago 2
BUT NOT 4 CANNONS
ME262MKI 4 years ago
MM Let me think, yeah I´ve never heard of fw 190 with 4 30mm cannons, but the other ppl always get angry when I point out the many mistakes shown here.
jairogut 4 years ago
MMM,OK
ME262MKI 4 years ago
Standard armament was two 20 mm cannons. The 30 mm cannons were wing pods. Two 30 mm cannons in wing pods were standard for anti-tank missions. 20 mm cannons were sometimes added in wing pods as well bringing the armament to 4x20 mm cannons.
UsedName23 3 years ago
30mm cannons were mounted in the outer-wing points... not underwing.
The standard 30mm armament was 2 x 20mm at the wing-root position and 2 30mm Mk 108 cannons in the outerwing position. IN the wing, not outside.
wurger6 3 years ago
RIGHT ON
....TJ
terryjohn 3 years ago
U are totally true
jairogut 4 years ago
Well it was not sports time it was war and you can not take a damaged enemy plane prisoner so taking him down was the right thing to do. If that pilot got away, he would have come again with a new plane.
Keskin1975 4 years ago
From accounts I've read of the British Vs German side of the air war, both sides tended not to attack damaged planes. One spitfire pilot, I read of, even escorted a damaged 109 to the French side of the channel, to make sure he got there safely.
KingStuThe3rd 4 years ago
I´ve heard the same.... and also a pair of 109 scorted a hurricane.... But that didnt happen in the russian front
jairogut 4 years ago
That's kind of unaceptable in my opinion because at war the main goal is to eliminate the enemy as cruel as it sounds. if you let a pilot go, he may come up later and kill you because you gave him a second chance.
Eurofighter19 4 years ago
Maybe so, but the war between the RAF and the Luftwaffe was less, vicious, than it was elsewhere. A feeling that some had was that dogfighting was more of a sport than war, the killing a rather unfortunate result. Killing someone returning home after, in a sporting sense, loosing a dogfight, was rather unfair, you wouldn't like the enemy to do it to you if you were in the same situation.
KingStuThe3rd 4 years ago
In a way dogfighting is a lethal game but not a war. maybe the pilots of both Air Forces had great respect for each other which is good but as a dogfighter I wouldn't have mercy for an enemy and would not expect an enemy to have mercy at me either.
Eurofighter19 4 years ago
Yeah but if u remember a bit of ww1 u will remember that pilots were something like the knights of the air.. that "chivalric" was somehow seen in some dogfights over the british channel.. so depends on the conflict
jairogut 4 years ago
Well yeah, it depends on the cultural point of view of nations that are close to each other and have been rivals for so long.
Eurofighter19 4 years ago
In WW1 pilots even wave each other before dogfighting.
japz0021 4 years ago
he's lucky he didn't get his fool head shot off. to risk a valuable airframe & pilot when England could ill afford to lose one is reckless. if more 109's came along they would have splashed the spitfire. better to deprive the enemy of a trained pilot. hurt his ability to wage war. where was that chivilry at Dachau, Aushuitz, or Bergen-Belson? funny how if it a Jew,Homosexual, Cathlic, or Gypsy then its just fine to kill a helpless person.
kdraper2007 3 years ago
So u hav ea lot of knoledge u are the fanatic who trust everything the media show u.. u dont know that marketing tries to show everything impressive to keep dumb customers like you happy??? If they shown german aces shotting down ur inmortal heroes I bet half of the people would stop watching the show
jairogut 4 years ago
In my opinion it would be great if the History Channel would show dogfights about German aces of World War II or Russian aces during the Cold War. the true fathers of aerial combats were the Germans, during World War I they created the first aircraft with machine guns mounted in the nose making it a pure fighter and they created most of the maneuvers for dogfighting that are still used today.
Eurofighter19 4 years ago
But the germans got there ass kicked twice
Redeemedsinner17 4 years ago
The three top scoring aces of all time were each Luftwaffe pilots. Eric Hartmann scored over 350 kills himself. You wouldn't even have to exaggerate to make that a great episode or even side series.
brainman 4 years ago 3
Also, Barrel Roll. Works every time.
brainman 4 years ago
He shot down a damaged 109 heading for home?
That wasn't very sporting of him.
KingStuThe3rd 4 years ago
I know, but he get the job done.
JamesBond77 4 years ago
Yeah that`s a good point..... But if he was going at 400 mph he coudnt have done that manouver...... My point is that if the german saw the p51 doing something he woundt have gone just straight... for example if he had more speed he would have started a climbing spiral or something
jairogut 4 years ago
lol dude if u are behind a car (u know how to drive no) and it turns left wouldnt u turn left too? but no u go straght ahead and do not make any manouver..... dude no way in the way they shown that here....
jairogut 4 years ago
Are you calling Art Friedler a liar then? Does the pilot's account count for nothing?
YouT00ber 4 years ago
I am not calling him a liar... I am just telling that it is impossible to get an enemy aircraft in that stupid way.. (like they shown) so I mean history channel should make more accurate animations... Imagine yourself behind an enemy aircraft.... if it climbs woundnt u climb with him? or if it rolls ??? But no the experienced german pilot decided to go straight and get killed in that way... I just say it was "rendered" very bad
jairogut 4 years ago
And dont tell me he wasnt experienced because by all accounts they were fighting on the vertical plane (not in the horizontal) and that makes a pilot experienced at least
jairogut 4 years ago
a damaged 109 doesn't fly at 400mph.. thats practically its top speed.. its not going to fly that fast if its smoking! be rational! and most likely, the german didn't see the americans before they opened fire.. there may be many reasons why he didn't maneuver. he might be seriously wounded before those americans saw him, making it difficult for him to maneuver his aircraft properly.. there's many factors here.
RickyboyH 4 years ago 4
Totally true... not at 400mph if it was damaged and even less speed at low altitude
jairogut 4 years ago
I agree. Bf 109G top speed was 392mph. A cripple would probably be struggling to be doing more than about 250.
paul6t4 3 years ago
in panic that guy may have used the MW50 boost
(water-methonol mixture). that yould have boosted its engine VERY much, but as it was a crippled engine i the engine might have literally exploded or just burst into flames.
i wounder why didnt the me 109 pull up and bail out then. he had enough 'E' to zoom climb to at least 500m, safe enough to bale out. the again we would all panic in that kind of situation ,wouldn't we?
RIP
inar64 3 years ago
that's what i thought, but RIP.
defaye 2 years ago
Its imposible to believe the way in were the Fw was killed...... Nobody who knows a little of this would think that happened like History Chanel shows us....lol....
jairogut 4 years ago
Thanks for posting.
Very sad that they chose to shoot down that damaged 109.
They could have made him bail out rather than shoot down a defenceless probably wounded pilot...
Xiolablu3 4 years ago
I'm not bothered. They fired at basically defenseless American bombers, so they deserve no better.
Wolcott 4 years ago
I wouldn't call a B-17 "defenseless", but it is war, kill or be killed. And every time american bomber is shot down, it's ten men killed or captured, while german fighter pilot is flying over friendly territory.
Saukko31 4 years ago
LOL WUT A DUMB opinion...lololol And the bombers were bombing an undefended city or hospital or factory or pen with lots of innocent people... .lol
jairogut 4 years ago
the b17 arent called flying fortresses for nothing.what are the guns for.
Luftwaffe pilots are more afraid of flying against bomber formations than fighter formations cause bomber formations have heavy defensive fire all around the air,not to mention the escorts.the german pilots can do everything by the book and still get shot down.against fighters they have a chance by using their skills to survive.
colchekov19 3 years ago
Me too, I did not like it, but as the others said, it's war. In war, you must destroy as many enemy equipements as you can. Every single enemy planes shot down can save the lives of many friendly soldiers because the enemy can't use them anymore. By shooting the damaged ME 109, he probably save the lives of many friendly soldiers.
JamesBond77 4 years ago
its called war people. humans die in war. hatred is in war. you have to expect the unimaginable in war. because thats EXACTLY what happens.
Halofan11 4 years ago
Why didn't Lowry or Friedler claim the Me109 as a kill??? you know hush it up and score 1!!! who cares if anyone else claimed it damaged who is gonna know who didn't shoot it down!
thedreamdealer 4 years ago
huh? I'm pretty sure they did. It's pretty obvious he talked about it. The Me109 was the one that made him an Ace w/ 5 kills.
YouT00ber 4 years ago
MAybe they should claim 1/2 victory like ameriocan pilots usually did
jairogut 4 years ago
As you can see Art is putting rounds into that ME109 as they are flying on the deck. The 109 catches fire, he has 2 options stay with the plane and burn to death or open the canopy and jump. At 400mph and 10 feet off the deck, he didn't really have a choice in the matter. They didn't have ejection seats back then. Like they said the pilot was paniced, who knows what one would do in that situation.
o0CrazyIvan0o 4 years ago
Why the german pilot did not eject when his aircraft was hit for the first time ? He died for nothing.
JamesBond77 4 years ago