Carl Sagan - Fractal Universe - Carl Sagan's Cosmos

[PaladinswordSaurfang]

Surely he means this metaphorically? An electron is an elementary particle meaning it is elementary and cannot possibly be made of anything, especially not a universe!

[RamDeMan]

@PaladinswordSaurfang Or is an electron a wave? A wave of possibilities and it collapsed to the 'state' of an electron because it is observed that way? You tell me? I mean even quarks can be devided because all you do is devide a package of energy, kind of like cutting a worm in half in my opinion only now we do it by smashing them together. Hell, an electron is, for the time being who knows what happens, undevidable so who knows whats inside them or what theyre made off? But keep thinking!

[PaladinswordSaurfang]

@RamDeMan An electron can behave like a wave, meaning we don't know it's exact position or momentum until observed. An electron is not a "state". It is an electron whether it is behaving like a particle or a wave. Quarks cannot be divided. Quarks are elementary particles. The whole idea of it being elementary is that it is NOTHING like cutting a worm in half. Particle accelerators annihilate quarks, meaning they are converted into energy.

[PaladinswordSaurfang]

@RamDeMan There is likely nothing "in" an electron, or that would contradict the whole standard model. One theory is that each elementary particle is made of a 1 dimensional string, but vibrating at different frequencies.

[MysticOfTheSands]

@PaladinswordSaurfang As far as we know. But maybe... just maybe... And he himself said "it may never be proved". Because there's no way we could possibly do that. And yet...maybe.

[needicecream100]

Well now we know. The universe is actually flat (not closed) so this is not true. It is, however, a beautiful reality- It means the net energy in the universe is 0 (all positive energy cancels out the negative energy, and vice-versa).

Since the net energy is 0, it means the universe simply popped into existence, with no need for a creator of any kind. It also means there may be an infinite number of other universes popping into existence all the time, just outside our own.

[Ben4Play]

@needicecream100 Actually we do not "know" the universe is "flat"

A key aspect of science is error. Also the evidence we have collected suggests the universe is actually open, it will never stop expanding, neither will it tend towards a size and never reach it

This evidence however has an uncertainty, There is roughly a 5% chance we have a closed universe 95% chance we have an open universe, and an infinitely small chance of a flat universe (still a chance, just infintesimal)

[Aryacalanatha]

Awesome! It seems pretty logical. Either way it's an exciting possibility. Infinite exploration!

[kswiss1420]

I have an instinctive feeling this is how the cosmos works, able to expand and contract universes to maintain an equilibrium, and if we sum space time + the first 3 ordinary dimensions into 1 dimension, there is this other fractal dimension where the inner reaches of our universe molds into the outer reaches of another universe (or perhaps our own)

[AegisNova]

How is the universe "flat"???

[djbanizza]

Will we ever know the whole truth? Is that even possible?

[ORACLE063]

Secret of the Universe - 2832 views

Lady Gaga - 14.000.000

yep we are screwed

[guardball]

This should have an infinite number more views...

[URProductions]

Say our universe WAS an electron inside a larger universe and that every electron in our universe DID contain an entire universe...

What if they were all the same? What if every universe inside an electron was just our exact universe in miniture and that our universe was just an exact mirror of the universe it exists in as an electron?

Would that be LESS far out, or MORE?

[NLhardcorebobNL]

Sorry, I'm usually pretty bright when it comes to science and cosmology, but I'm not quite sure I understand this theory.

Anybody care to explain?

[ItsAllChaos]

@NLhardcorebobNL our universe is inside an atom, every atom inside our universe contains a whole universe, full of atoms full of universes within, forever. Plain and simple :D ahah. 5.media.tumblr.com/f37VfjNohku­1bcsqZX2qakwRo1_500.jpg

[NLhardcorebobNL]

@ItsAllChaos No I got that part, just the "enough matter to trap the universe" didn't make much sense to me.

[b0utch]

Yeah I've came to same conclusion and I've never seen Cosmos.

[ubernaffa]

Well, speaking as a scientific lay person, I was under the impression that the universe is now known not to be closed, and is, in fact, flat. Making this video, whilst beautiful, incorrect.

I hope a scientist can either correct me, or confirm what I said.

[0willow0]

@ubernaffa Not to disagree with you, but can you please explain to me how the ideas of fractal multiverse and of a flat universe cannot coexist? Also, closed vs flat? Do you mean closed vs open?

[gortijx]

@ubernaffa

The thing is, we will never get the "full" picture. For all we know, all the theories we have to date may be completely wrong or faulty. I mean, just look at our scientific progression these past 400 years. People believed the earth was flat and heliocentrism was frowned upon.

That's the beauty with Science, it holds on to nothing and evolves constantly. For some, that's not enough, for a rational mind, it's the best tool we have. :)

[floorkillacris]

@gortijx i just wish my gf and family thought the same way! should i forever spend my time trying to explain to them what rationality is?

[Axlite2]

@ubernaffa The NASA WMAP spacecraft has nowadays confirmed the universe is flat by an error margin of 0.5 %. Google "NASA WMAP" and you will find official information about this matter by NASA.

[auggystyle]

@ubernaffa The Universe is flat, as well as galaxies, etc, that shows exactly what he is talking about, a fractal universe! A galaxy can be a small version of the universe, scaled all the way down to an electron. If we had the magnification power to get deep inside an proton we may see what seems to be another universe, on a smaller scale. The Universe can be closed and infinite at the same time, please look up some work by Marko Rodin.

[AtlLiberal]

To people of a certain age this concept immediately reminds them of the Superman episode wherein he uses his super magnifying eyesight to gaze at the top of the Empire State building and sees at the atomic level another universe contained in an atom.

[tigab37]

holy shit.

power of atom?

[28janya22]

If you look at Mandelbrot fractals, you can get an idea of what our friend Carl is talking about. Some may find this concept unbearable, but I look to think of it as if we can image the infinite smallness, we can imagine the infinite bigness. Our minds can comprehend.

[thewolfPrince]

and my brains just exploded all over my monitor.

[kyndra1966]

If there was a God and that God was sentient in the way we understand sentience and we did indeed have a soul that existed beyond our conscious vessel, I think that God would say to the soul of Carl Sagan, "You SOoo get me!", and all those pompous theologians present would hang their ethereal heads and totally contemplate their freakin' navels.

[dfoust8]

mind=blown

[kingofmilwaukee]

good video!