I love the trendy clothes that Mark wears. It makes him look very cool and relevant. Especially the cool t-shirt of Jesus. I am sure that he feels awesome and accepted wearing it. Go name-brand Mark. It's a great way to get sponsors from companies to get free clothes. It's like race car drivers. Get as many sponsors on your 'car'. Go bro. Get accepted by the masses.
Very well-said. Every Christian's first reading priority should be the Bible cover-to-cover. In other words, it's first on your stack. Not that all other books are unread until you finish the Bible, but if this book is in totality God's Word, we need to know what it all says.
I'm not sure "just read your bible" really is the best starting point (if all of this is applicable to you). The bible a complex batch of culturally framed stories, and it helps A LOT to have trained authors discuss and explain. And it's funny that Mark D is an authority on whether we "Should I Listen to Emergent Church Types?" Both Rob Bell and Brian McLaren are excellent alternatives to fundamentalist black and white dogma.
and when it comes to history, having read so much revisionist trash from christian writers, usually glorifying that vile hate fest the reformation, i simply will not listen to christians speak on history at all.
my history is either straight from scripture or from secular professional historians where they do not contradict scripture.
you may guess i do not like christian writers. i learned that the HARD way
@Strefanasha So how can you listen to secular professional historians? They certainly don't regard the scriptures as "history", a historical source yes, but not as "history".
Wise counsel without judgement of others. This video gets us out of the boxing arena while suggesting our real need which is understanding what was written and must remain the foundation upon which we live. No need to throw anyone under the bus, he seems to speak what he believes and how he intends to lead.
@k0smon Your disbelief already disqualifies you for any theological or bible related argument. You obviously don't understand the Bible at all, I would strongly recommend you give your life to Jesus Christ. The natural mind will never understand the spiritual things (i.e the Bible), you are spiritually discerned.
@specialk818181 Homosexuals/lesbians are NOT children of God! And should NEVER be accepted into the church unless they are coming for the reason of hearing the truth to set them free from the bondage they're in. Homosexuality is an ABOMINATION to God. It is IMPOSSIBLE to be a child of God and homosexual at the same time. Reaching out to gays for the reason of acceptance instead of repentance is APOSTASY!
@TheKJVberean ::: Your rant against homosexuals is very biblical, and very un-human. It shows a legalistic approach and totally ignores the fact that these people, just like yourself, are part of God's creation. But the bible is OK with slavery and killing your children if they disobey. The bible's teaching on homosexuality, that God has an everlasting torture chamber, and that he has wrath, and jealousy and other characteristics of a spoiled child, makes the bible the word of MAN, not God.
Rob Bell's church (also called Mars Hill) is now accepting homosexual members. He has a ministry to reach out to gays (no not for repentence, but acceptance).
@RomansGalatians That's awesome! Gay people are children of God just like the rest of us and should be accepted into Christian communities. Sadly, that doesn't happen in most churches.
Even after we have read the same scriptures many times,we still can miss what the words are saying.I had read John 6: 37 and 44 many times until God opened my eyes to what they actually were saying,this was the beginning of me studying and finally embracing the REFORMED position,from my Arminian belief.Once we understand that God is 100% responsible for or salvation,all the arguing about baptism,speaking in tongues, sacraments and losing ones salvation just disappear.God chooses His own.
Too many young Christians don't read their Bible and are easily swayed.I remember when God first saved me,I read and listened to the Bible on tape constantly.When I watched TV and heard Jesus' name mentioned I'd stop and listen,thinking at that time everyone who said JESUS' name was a Christian.I soon discovered that what I had just read or heard in the Bible was not what was being said by the preacher.This was a great eye opener for me as a new Christian,it taught me to always be on guard.
Look at his shirt. Is it just me or does he have a picture of Jesus scratching a record on a turn table?? If so, that's funny. LOL!! I wonder what that's all about.
My brother told me about this pastor earlier today. He sounds good. I'm not even a Christian. I'm a 5%er, a citizen of the Nation of Gods & Earths.
@TylerDurdenMakesSoap I don't think he's arrogant at all. He doesn't want them preaching or teaching at his church because they're false prophets! He only wants the TRUTH preached at his church...............
@TylerDurdenMakesSoap The Bible makes reference to meditating on the Word of God, but not the forms of meditation we have today, most of which come from eastern mysticism and other religions.
Meditation on the Bible is focusing on God and His revealed Word, whereas meditation today is (generally) focused on trying to achieve enlightenment or peace totally apart from God. Mark wasn't necessarily wrong in what he said, it just needed fleshing out.
Brothers and Sisters quit following men. They are merely men. Follow Christ. If you put your faith in a man you will only be disappointed Christ new what was in a man and as people who confess to have His spirit dwelling inside we should know what is in men as well. Eat the meat and spit out the bones.
He doesn't want people to 'turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myth'
2 Tim 4:4
He doesn't want people to be preached another gospel, not there is any other.
'If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received,(A) let him be accursed.'
Galatians 1:9
I think you need to read your Bible again, and figure out what the Gospel is, and realise that these Emergent Church types aren't preaching anything like that,
Phew, I was glad to hear your comments towards the end of this vid.
You are right. Stay close with 'Jesus'. Keep 'the heart' of Jesus above all else.
We are forgiven but we are NOT worthy. This is the whole point of Jesus and the whole point of everything. Indeed through this we gain humility. Believing we are worthy does allow arrogance in.
@Hotnuttt -Salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. Romans 3:28 "For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.". Now, genuine and true saving faith will produce the fruit of good works(James 2:14-26), but salvation is by no means the result of doing good works, for all our own righteousness is as filthy rags(Isaiah 64:6)
@Hotnutt - Jude (Jesus' brother) said that the faith was once for all delivered to the saints. So since we have "the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints", we do not need a pope, to tell the church what to believe, what to do, and to add to scripture, because the faith was "once for all delivered to the saints." In fact the pope is the very kind of false teacher that Jude was describing(Jude 8-13).
I love it when people like Mark driscoll say it like it is. We need more christians who are not afraid to say what is right and what is wrong. We need bold preachers! Thanks Mark! Stop trying to fit God into your own lifestyle, He is God, He is the same yesterday, today and forever.
@DieMaskerMeisie Well, I believe he is far to be the only on this area. The fact they are not out there with a camera on them does not mean they don't exist.
This is fairly sound advice. I will approach emerging authors quite often-and do think a good foundation in reading/studying the bible as well as philosophy as this brother stated- for me it is about research. Now, I have well over a hundred books about this and if you just want to know in order to be able to give an answer-I would say Generous Orthodoxy, a emerging manifesto, and listening to the voices or beliefs of emergent(cannot remember the exact title) and no more then that
Srich1954. He doesn't want his congregation to be led astray. He has strong doctrine, whereas the authors he is telling them to stay away from, stray away from doctrine altogether.
plus. Know your facts about "fundamentalists" as you call them (people with sound Doctrine from the Word of God) Mars Hill and The Village Church are to of the biggest growing churches in the world and have solid doctrine. Or "fundamentalists" as you call them
I have to say I am disappointed by this clip. I thought Mars Hill was more open to new ideas and directions. What I see is the old patriarchal hierachy that is driving the next generation out of the Church. There is a reason that the Emerging congregations are growing and the Fundamentalists are shrinking. There are fewer and fewer people out there who simply want someone to tell them what to believe.
"Fundamentalists are shrinking"... where are you getting this? Bible-believing congregations continue to grow, while "liberal" denominations continue to shrink.
As far as "new ideas and new directions"... if those ideas and directions are opposed to the Bible, then you're in the wrong faith. Even Christopher Hitchens, a rabid atheist, recognizes that if you don't believe in the teachings of the Bible, then you're in no way a Christian.
People mock Jesus then he mocks them for mocking Jesus? where does it say to do that in the word. His way of dealing with it its wrong. If somebody kills with a gun should i ware a gun on my shirt? You think Jesus cares if Mark "defends" Him? what does Jesus need defending from?
Do you know the artists that paint those images were homosexuals? Do some research on those gentile roman catholic artists. Cause I have, if you did you would be as furious as I am and as God is. Why you think Jesus looks so feminine? He was a carpenter trades man!!! Not a sissy. This is why He said make NOTHING in my image.
You think they will wear it for the same reasons Mark wears it. Regardless of marks "intentions" he's still wearing "Jesus" on his chest which still goes against what God said. So hes sinning to defend or make a joke against people that arent saved themselves? where does it say that?
Exposing sin to sinners while sinning.
FALSE DOCTRINE. you may be angry all you want but you know its wrong, not my fault i didnt make the rules i only speak them.
banning art is not going to happen. im just repeating what Jesus Himself said and it looks like people dont like this.
worship is not just music its how you live which includes your style of dress. so we can see which Jesus Mark worships,its the one he made up. the 'dude' Jesus.
With kind of logic we should all walk around in the nude. Oh wait... no, then we would be worshipping ourselves. If you wear a Nike t-shirt then you are worshipping Nike. If you wear an sports top then you are worshipping not only that sport, but also that team. If you wear any form of jewelery then you are worshipping that stone...etc, etc...
Get real. Read your bible and learn about the grace of God, instead of pointing your finger in judgement.
its not about what you ware? so can i dress like a prostitute in church and live like one and still be excepted by God grace? what you believe is how you behave. i cant judge any body but i do have decrement., was Paul 'judging' the churches when he wrote the letters telling them how far from God they were? but you still read that dont you? but when somebody else repeats it there 'judging'?
i do read my bible and i speak and live it for those who dont i tell them, as im called to do. Matt 7
A bit extreme, but I can only repeat what the bible says.
"For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."
extreme? was it extreme when the world was flooded because nobody was righteous? Its not extreme its not liberal, its not judging, its not hating, its only the truth. God does not play around with His law, it is what it is. if you love Him you will keep His commandments. Call me what you want im only reiterating the truth. If you have a problem take it up with God cause I didnt make the rules.
Hey Medafoure, don't know if you aware, but Jesus died for YOUR sin. Christian's don't live under the law. Unless you can living by the law and not sin once, you are cursed under the law. It is through the law that we recognise sin and come to repeatance. The righteous live by faith in Jesus, and through his blood are we justified. This is the Gospel; it means good news not good advise. You shall never be made righteous by the works of the law.
of course He died for sin but thats why HE died but why did THEY kill Him? For our sins? No! they killed Him because He spoke the truth and the Pharisees didnt like it. They said He was a blasphemer, because He called out there sins. No different from me.
The more im persecuted them more I know Im with Jesus Matthew 5:11
Mate, seriously you're all over the place. Do some serious reading of the bible, and stop picking and choosing what you take out of it.
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself A RANSOM FOR ALL... - 1 Timothy 2:5-6
Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say ALL KINDS OF EVIL AGAINST YOU FALSELY FOR MY SAKE." - Lol, stop feeling sorry for yourself, I'm setting you straight not persecuting you.
my friend i do read my bible with vigor. i also live it . You 'setting me straight' as if i was not, 5 or 6 comments shows what about me? im not all over, I speak the truth. Again name one thing that was out of line? I feel sorry for what reason? I come to warn of false teachers and i have personal problems? lol
and im all over the place? talk about projection and assumption.
Just for get it man, you dont want to learn. cause i dont have spiked hair and a false image on my shirt.
As I don't know what you look like I'm hardly judging you by that. It's not what you're saying, it's what you're not. You are making out that we should still abide by and live under the law. You know, if that's the way you feel maybe you should get rid of your Christian bible, get circumcised and pick up the Torah.
its so hypocritical people criticizing gods will and laws! When us humans sentence someone to death even though according to gods laws we are all criminals, its ok! but when god does it! ooof damn people get out of control!
God did not wipe out the world because of law He did it because of Jesus, Noah was the only blood line (human) left on earth so God created the flood to save Jesus blood line. thus the wars in the bible., demons were phyicaly fighting isreal to kill the blood line of Jesus., Notice even up to the day He was bron they were ploting to kill Him., but when he was born., the wars stoped. why? because there was no need to kill his blood line. you read all this in Gen. if you read-search properly.
If someone said that Rob was more akin to a form of universalism, what would be your response? IF panthiesm/pananthiesm was a tenet of Bell's theory, what would you think about that? I am just asking a question, I am not looking to be clothes lined by any Bell fans k?
My Grandfather owned only 2 books in his life that helped him live to a rightfull age of 78, and he passed on peacefully. Those books were the Bible and a Biblical concordance. He always used to say, "What use do I have of other theologians? Great! So you love to read the Bible. Now, can you do me a favor, shutup, and give me some time to read mine!" LOL! He was a character. Please dont judge him by that comment. He just loved Christ way too much
We all meet Jesus in many different ways. You, sir, are so totally "stuck" in your head....take your attention to your heart and then maybe you will begin to know truth.....Wm Paul Young, at least, is coming from his heart.
I like his point that new Christians should study the Bible before they start reading pastors' books, especially if they read slowly. This is the case for me.
Same for me. I read a lot of books that weren't the bible and was pretty uncertain about some stuff. Of course if I spent a lot of time reading my bible I wouldn't have that uncertainty inside. Gotta have some bible food.
I think it's a strange point to make. Can you ever really "know" the Bible? And further, it is often futile to read the Bible without agents to help understand the context and history in which it was written, because we tend to put our own context and culture into what we read. I get his point though.
Your a Jehovah Witness aren't you? haha. Well it doesnt really matter actually.
Either way it's not to say that Christians worship the bible anyway. Christians worship God. Plus I do feel that we are capable of understanding a bit of the bible in a lot of cases and sometimes we need to inquire with a friend or someone who knows more about the part we don't get but nah. Oh and if you add in your own context, chances are you aren't reading front to back ;) Context is usually there.
But if new Christians study the Bible without a pastor present, how will they know all the justifications for all the really disgusting parts where God goes crazy and kills everybody, orders people to stone each other, and condones slavery?
@terracottapie I guess your referring to the judgement of God on Canaan if you read the covenant of God with abraham he tells him that the sins of the amorites haven't reached full measure which means they hadn't done enough evil to deserve judgement. So when they had done enough wrong he made the decision to eliminate them as whole from the region
@NormDePlume69 I bet your one of the same guys who says if God is good why does he allow evil then when he brings judgement you say he's unjust it shows how foolish and circular your thinking is
@the1qb You're completely wrong, I'm not "one of those guys".
What you described, just happens to sound exactly like Hitler's line of thinking, that's all.
I don't wonder why God allows evil, he ordered his followers to do evil on many occasioons, and committed great evil himself, why would I wonder why he would allow it?
Shouldnt everybody read a lot and not just pastors? Ephesians seems to say that pastors are here to ake everybody equally mature, not to just keep themselves more mature, more reading and more wise etc...
My desire is to feel what I have been feeling all this years forever... So, I hope I will never lose my faith in God and that our relationship get stronger and stronger each day.
In fact, I want to be in my father's house all day, living each minute with joy and freedom.
If you have found this inside you, alone, congratulation and keep going with this toughts. I DON'T WANT TO DESTROY WHAT I HAVE, IT'S TO GOOD! Any way, He loves you and is listening your clam.
He is a great company and is helping me to achieve more and more on earth, now and in a few seconds.
How can you choose put Him away of your life! You are losing the best of your days on earth: Jesus and all the love He brings with Him... It's so good! He makes me laugh, He teachs me how to see the best of the moments and give health to live everything with passion...
I wish you could feel what I feel when I hear the sweet voice of our God, when I'm afraid and He puts me in His arms, when I cry and He hugs me in a gentle and lovely way... I wish you could feel what I feel when He correct me and say NO just because He doesn't want me to get hurt I wish you could found again this FATHER, your lovely FATHER.
I'm sorry but the God I know its extremely real.
One thing I agree with you... You lost 40 years teaching about a person you didn't know.
"Why do you spend your time.."? Fair question. For the benefit of people watching the exchange. To counter the brainwashing of christianity. To promote reason and freedom. To encourage people to live THIS life rather than wait for a nonexistent life after death. To throw away this life and live in fear and shame is the ultimate tragedy, because this is all there is! After 40 years of teaching and preaching the Bible my eyes have been opened. Now I am trying to make amends by speaking the truth.
"To encourage people to live THIS life rather than wait for a nonexistent life after death".
What makes you believe that we, who believe in God, don't live each day in a wonderfull way! In fact, each day of mine is amazing with many good surprises because God has this for me right now, today! I'm not waiting to live with Him a perfect life in the "future" because I'm enjoying to live ALL MY DAYS on earth with HIM by my side...
Why should anyone listen to Mark Driscoll? His quotes speak for themselves. He's just Jerry Falwell trying to be hip. The right-wing fundies like him have brought American evangelicalism to the point of ruin - in 10 years time, most of these megachurches are going to be empty, and evangelicals will be blamed for America's decline as a world power. Since you voted the way folks like this dweeb told you, YOU ARE to blame for some of it.
Yes, people are emerging! And it's TIME to emerge! What is actually happening in these times, of course, is that education and reason are FINALLY making religion redundant. More than redundant, really, obsolete and harmful are more accurate. YHWH was invented by bronze-age desert-dwellers who were ignorant and afraid of the dark. Now we know that eclipses and storms and disease are not caused by invisible sky-dwellers. Education destroys religion. Every time. And it's time.
Wow imaginefree69, you must have a vantage point that no one else has. With the ability to be all-knowing (as you must be in order to make such bold statements) you should really teach us what we cannot know apart from you!
If destroys it EVERY TIME? really? Then why has (since the 1970's) religion been experiencing explosive growth (cabala, scientology, new-reformed and emerging christianity, etc...) over the last 3 decades? Aren't we more educated? Why has science failed to give us purpose?
That statement is factually wrong brother. Do you have ANY real research to back that up?
And where exactly did I insult you? I was pointing out your fallacy of thinking.
You believe that somehow you are not standing on faith, but you are forgetting that to say "there is no God" is to state an unknowable absolute truth. You have the same 5 senses that everyone else has, and none of them give you the ability to know for certain what you are stating.
"A study done by the Graduate Center of the City University of New York found that the percentage of the population that describes itself as "nonreligious" more than doubled from 1990 to 2001, from 14.3 million to 29.4 million people. The only other group to show growth was Muslims. . ."
24-page summary of the 2009 American Religious Identification Survey.
the number of Americans who claim no religious affiliation has nearly doubled since 1990, rising from 8 to 15 percent.
the percentage of self-identified Christians has fallen 10 percentage points since 1990, from 86 to 76 percent.
Meanwhile, the number of people willing to describe themselves as atheist or agnostic has increased about fourfold from 1990 to 2009, from 1 million to about 3.6 million.
"That statement is factually wrong brother. Do you have ANY real research to back that up?"
The statement is correct and I have shown you research available with TWO mouse clicks.
"where exactly did I insult you?"
Wow imaginefree69,
you must have a vantage point that no one else has. With the ability to be all-knowing (as you must be in order to make such bold statements) you should really teach us what we cannot know apart from you!
It's hard to prove that leprachauns don't exist. It's hard to prove there's no god. But it's easy to prove the Christian God doesn't exist. It is logically impossible that any being can have the following characteristics: 1- all-knowing 2- all-powerful 3- actively involved in human affairs 4- loving in nature. 1 and 2 and 3 are consistent. 1 and 3 and 4 can be consistent. But to see evil and choose not to stop it one cannot be loving. Mutually exclusive attributes equals nonexistence.
That doesn't define the Christian God. Those are just our attempts to describe Him. All-knowing and All-powerfull are extra biblical ideas, those phrases are not used anywhere in the ancient texts.
Yeah. It's sort of like the word "capitalism" is not found in the constitution, but we gather from the text that it is what america is.
I agree with all those statements. The "word of god" is simply a descriptor of how authoritative a person believes the books of the bible to be.
Cultural interpretations will always creep in, that doesn't make them wrong... and it doesn't mean the text isn't true in a historical sense... and it doesn't mean there was no resurrection.
Then he said to them, These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.
Omnipresence? not in the Bible: Genesis 3:8 they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God Gen 11:5, 6 And the LORD CAME DOWN TO SEE the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. Gen 18:20, 21 Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great .. that I WILL GO DOWN AND SEE if what they have done ...
It is easy to slam a stupid comment on a wall, I wanted to be fair to the issue and be able to talk about it in more than 500 characters, in way that does not resort to personal attacks and vain accusations, but apparently you can't make this not get personal, so it's not worth my time. I'm not interested in hurling grenades over the fence at people who are too bitter to examine issues fairly.
Hello! Pajama Hadin here! Dan Kimball and Donald Miller!!? Are you serious? So what you're saying is that there is 'no danger' with liberal christians who hide under a banner of modern tolerance? Sorry Mark but if you 'emphasize' the whole sin, faith and repentance issue like you mention here, then you would deter God's sheep from people like that.
Whoops! There's me getting all 'fundamental and judgmental' again. Sorry but leaders should be standing up for what is right(eous).
He talks about how Bell and McLaren don't teach some of the orthodox beliefs of Christianity and yet he's wearing a t-shirt with Jesus as a DJ. Yes Mark, that really portrays Jesus as the Lord you profess him to be.
If "everyone the same" includes: Judas False prophets Wolves in Sheeps clothing Bad Trees Tares Reprobates Those who reject Christ Nicolations Esau Alexander the Coppersmith Those who stoned Stephan to death Pharisees who did the lust of their father (devil) Pharoah ...I would have to disagree.
And of course your assuming that NonCalvinists (those who reject salvation by sovereign grace alone) have a right to call themselves Christians and are not in fact wolves in sheeps clothing.
Well a Non-Calvinist can be saved, but will eventually come to the scriptural knowledge that their salvation could only have been already predetermined for them by God according to undeserved sovereign Grace. They will give God the father all the credit for their election, God the son all the credit for their justification and God the Holy Spirit all the credit for their regeneration. They will come to know that they could have done nothing in and of themselves to become saved.
"only because God chose to bestow this loving gift on you." Isaiah 63:17 WHY, O LORD, do YOU CAUSE US TO STRAY FROM Your ways And HARDEN OUR HEART from fearing You? Romans 9:18 "Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth" Proverbs 1:26 "I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh" Says YHVH Yes, being saved or being cursed and tortured are all up to your god. What a nasty character!
Who are you to judge God? Did you create heaven and earth? Did you breathe life into all creatures? Do you give rain, sunlight and wind to sustain man on the earth? What have you done to justify any judgment on God??
Fact is your just a spiritually dead sinner in his natural state - blind/deaf,dumb to the truth with hatred for God as a consequence of your fallen nature. Unless you become saved through Christ, you will perish come judgment day. Turn or burn-See my video
"Who are you to judge God?" You are attempting to put unfair, arbitrary, and unscriptural restrictions on me. According to the book, YHWH himself said "Try me" and "Let us reason together." I can judge ANYone by their own standards. When YHWH says one thing and does another that is an integrity issue and I don't have to be a Creator to see it. Judgement is not about ME, it's about the one YOU make great claims for. Your strategy of judging me rather than addressing the issues is transparent.
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
It has nothing to do with some imaginary game of chess you have in your head about God vs. man.
You can judge anyone you choose, the issue is.. Who Cares? You are just one of millions of people who God laugh's at. And the sad part is, you accomplish nothing by your mindless drivel. Look at M.M.O'hare. All the mindless crap she spewed in her banal attempt to attack Christianity, and where did she end up?
imagine... Madaline Murray O'hare was a bitter greedy old woman who stole money from her own organization, She was not a martyr, She was murdered by one of her own. and as i said, She ended up in a shallow grave, and whether she has ceased to exist, or is burning in hell, in the scope of eternity she has done nothing. she removed prayers from public schools? Big Deal, God hears the silent prayers of Children who seek him weather in school or not...
of course driscoll thinks HIS interpretations of scripture are superior. everyone thinks their own opinions are the right ones, but your opinion doesn't change the reality of what God is actually saying.
The Bible is Jesus Christ. The living Word and the written Word rise or fall together and Mark's statements about the Bible being your cornerstone is right one, and from experience I have wasted $ and time in the same manner. I recommend staying as far from commentaries as the light is from darkness. I also say approach getting involved in a church with much caution. Like Mark has said you can not make a sound decision until you have read and studied your bible and allowed God to teach
4:10 TO END. It's evident that Driscoll has never listened to Bell talk about anything. all joking aside. seriously. the dude has not listened to Bell. and for him to question there love for Jesus. He's in danger of falling into the fire he claims he claims he controls
people interpret through a particular lens, and Driscoll brings his own baggage as to how he understands the bible. 'Sin repentance and faith in Jesus' is actually a very narrow understanding of the 'focus' of the bible. How about love. Or justice. Perhaps Driscoll should simply encourage people to read as widely as they can, that way they can make up their own mind.
With his power over thousands, Driscoll uses it not for spreading knowledge and encouraging his congregation to educate themselves, but rather to have them dwell on this ancient book of myths. The bible is a great book. In fact, I think it should be taught in school as one of the great works of literature. But I don't see how anyone could read the old testament as anything but fiction. And to get your morality from such a book is frightening.
He *is* encouraging them to educate themselves. His target audience here are *Christians*. He's saying as Christians we should educate ourselves with the Bible BEFORE we start spending all this money on books from all these "Christian" authors. Not everyone writes things that are Biblical, and you need to know what is correct to prevent being led astray by false prophets.
"Driscoll's New Calvinism underscores a curious fact: the doctrine of total human depravity has always had a funny way of emboldening, rather than humbling, it's adherents." Molly Worthen, NY Times.
emergent church is demonic inspired. satan has no doubt, taken ahold of all major churches and uniting all world religions. it is known as Ecumenism.
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3VOLution3NO 1 week ago
@3VOLution3NO what you are saying is ridiculous
krisanist 6 days ago
Didn't Driscoll go nuts about the Shack creating a "graven image" of God? What's with the DJ Jesus on his shirt?
jc57704 3 weeks ago
Good for you Mark for "NOT" supporting Bell or Maclaren
jaymcquhae 3 months ago 3
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Man you are very confusing. If you do not know the historical context you will not know what it means.
mahoganyrush300 4 months ago
I love the trendy clothes that Mark wears. It makes him look very cool and relevant. Especially the cool t-shirt of Jesus. I am sure that he feels awesome and accepted wearing it. Go name-brand Mark. It's a great way to get sponsors from companies to get free clothes. It's like race car drivers. Get as many sponsors on your 'car'. Go bro. Get accepted by the masses.
CheetoBronze 5 months ago
the Bible is the filter. If it doesn't match then then pitch it in idea. but acknowledge that you will meet people who will think that way.
finessewes9119 6 months ago
Very well-said. Every Christian's first reading priority should be the Bible cover-to-cover. In other words, it's first on your stack. Not that all other books are unread until you finish the Bible, but if this book is in totality God's Word, we need to know what it all says.
theomathetes21 6 months ago
jeah right lode off crap like eva comes from adams rib
atheist1978 6 months ago in playlist All Mars Hill Videos
Hebrews 10:26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,
27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
1John 3:6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
Gen 6:6, Ezek 9:6 Sin breaks God's heart. You must not willfully sin.
go to sermonindexdotnet and look up Milton Green, become a true disciple.
servant714 7 months ago in playlist All Mars Hill Videos
I'm not sure "just read your bible" really is the best starting point (if all of this is applicable to you). The bible a complex batch of culturally framed stories, and it helps A LOT to have trained authors discuss and explain. And it's funny that Mark D is an authority on whether we "Should I Listen to Emergent Church Types?" Both Rob Bell and Brian McLaren are excellent alternatives to fundamentalist black and white dogma.
Volvo745T 7 months ago in playlist God, Life
having read many "christian" books after my conversion (I am, or was, a keen reader) I now conclude that all of them are worthless.
I was devastated by C S Lewis an Francis Schaeffer - they are useless. and the latest are even worse
we chase after christian writers as we do not really believe in sola scriptura.
so i will not touch christian books at all. it is better to reject one good book than wade through 1000 trash.
the Bible and prayer will do for me quite nicely thank you very much
Strefanasha 8 months ago
and when it comes to history, having read so much revisionist trash from christian writers, usually glorifying that vile hate fest the reformation, i simply will not listen to christians speak on history at all.
my history is either straight from scripture or from secular professional historians where they do not contradict scripture.
you may guess i do not like christian writers. i learned that the HARD way
Strefanasha 8 months ago
@Strefanasha So how can you listen to secular professional historians? They certainly don't regard the scriptures as "history", a historical source yes, but not as "history".
beamla 7 months ago
Wise counsel without judgement of others. This video gets us out of the boxing arena while suggesting our real need which is understanding what was written and must remain the foundation upon which we live. No need to throw anyone under the bus, he seems to speak what he believes and how he intends to lead.
therealhouselife 9 months ago
@k0smon Your disbelief already disqualifies you for any theological or bible related argument. You obviously don't understand the Bible at all, I would strongly recommend you give your life to Jesus Christ. The natural mind will never understand the spiritual things (i.e the Bible), you are spiritually discerned.
TheKJVberean 9 months ago
@specialk818181 Homosexuals/lesbians are NOT children of God! And should NEVER be accepted into the church unless they are coming for the reason of hearing the truth to set them free from the bondage they're in. Homosexuality is an ABOMINATION to God. It is IMPOSSIBLE to be a child of God and homosexual at the same time. Reaching out to gays for the reason of acceptance instead of repentance is APOSTASY!
TheKJVberean 9 months ago
@TheKJVberean ::: Your rant against homosexuals is very biblical, and very un-human. It shows a legalistic approach and totally ignores the fact that these people, just like yourself, are part of God's creation. But the bible is OK with slavery and killing your children if they disobey. The bible's teaching on homosexuality, that God has an everlasting torture chamber, and that he has wrath, and jealousy and other characteristics of a spoiled child, makes the bible the word of MAN, not God.
k0smon 9 months ago
moby dick is a great book
oshkoshbigosh22 9 months ago
I agree. Get to know your Bible inside out.
Sadly most Christians wear blinkers(you know the things horses wear in races?) basing a doctrine on just one verse or passage of Scripture.
daro2096 10 months ago
"Get to know your Bible." Absolutely spot on, and the reason so many are going astray. Excellent!
PixelPablo 10 months ago
Rob Bell's church (also called Mars Hill) is now accepting homosexual members. He has a ministry to reach out to gays (no not for repentence, but acceptance).
Does everyone know this?
RomansGalatians 11 months ago
@RomansGalatians Really? Thats awesome! Maybe logic isn’t lost on everyone
NightHawkBomber001 10 months ago
@RomansGalatians That's awesome! Gay people are children of God just like the rest of us and should be accepted into Christian communities. Sadly, that doesn't happen in most churches.
specialk818181 9 months ago
How do you set something like this up... so tht someone can set up for a group of youth students to text in questions and it is up like that?
jeremycampfan 11 months ago
wow. good for you, Mark Driscoll, being a good shepherd to his flock. He is completely different than I thought.
stucerocks 1 year ago 5
Even after we have read the same scriptures many times,we still can miss what the words are saying.I had read John 6: 37 and 44 many times until God opened my eyes to what they actually were saying,this was the beginning of me studying and finally embracing the REFORMED position,from my Arminian belief.Once we understand that God is 100% responsible for or salvation,all the arguing about baptism,speaking in tongues, sacraments and losing ones salvation just disappear.God chooses His own.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
Too many young Christians don't read their Bible and are easily swayed.I remember when God first saved me,I read and listened to the Bible on tape constantly.When I watched TV and heard Jesus' name mentioned I'd stop and listen,thinking at that time everyone who said JESUS' name was a Christian.I soon discovered that what I had just read or heard in the Bible was not what was being said by the preacher.This was a great eye opener for me as a new Christian,it taught me to always be on guard.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
Mark Driscoll is a dick.
beamla 1 year ago
The answer to your question is NO
awaitthegroom 1 year ago
Look at his shirt. Is it just me or does he have a picture of Jesus scratching a record on a turn table?? If so, that's funny. LOL!! I wonder what that's all about.
My brother told me about this pastor earlier today. He sounds good. I'm not even a Christian. I'm a 5%er, a citizen of the Nation of Gods & Earths.
TribeofShabazz 1 year ago
@TylerDurdenMakesSoap I don't think he's arrogant at all. He doesn't want them preaching or teaching at his church because they're false prophets! He only wants the TRUTH preached at his church...............
JesusRocks1516 1 year ago
@TylerDurdenMakesSoap The Bible makes reference to meditating on the Word of God, but not the forms of meditation we have today, most of which come from eastern mysticism and other religions.
Meditation on the Bible is focusing on God and His revealed Word, whereas meditation today is (generally) focused on trying to achieve enlightenment or peace totally apart from God. Mark wasn't necessarily wrong in what he said, it just needed fleshing out.
MattinatorHax 1 year ago
Amen!!!!
EuroKarma 1 year ago
He is like most of us who are followers of Christ and will eventually die for his faith. To God be the Glory.
DonnaKocurek 1 year ago
Brothers and Sisters quit following men. They are merely men. Follow Christ. If you put your faith in a man you will only be disappointed Christ new what was in a man and as people who confess to have His spirit dwelling inside we should know what is in men as well. Eat the meat and spit out the bones.
christiany21 1 year ago
Good advice.
alastairblakepeters 1 year ago
you tell 'em, mark!
cats9900 1 year ago
@TylerDurdenMakesSoap
He doesn't want people to 'turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myth'
2 Tim 4:4
He doesn't want people to be preached another gospel, not there is any other.
'If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received,(A) let him be accursed.'
Galatians 1:9
I think you need to read your Bible again, and figure out what the Gospel is, and realise that these Emergent Church types aren't preaching anything like that,
masteroftheobvious86 1 year ago 2
@TylerDurdenMakesSoap That's the dumbest argument I've ever heard. Why would you let someone you don't agree with preach to members of your church?
You come off as VERY bitter and cranky.
StriderGTS 1 year ago
Phew, I was glad to hear your comments towards the end of this vid.
You are right. Stay close with 'Jesus'. Keep 'the heart' of Jesus above all else.
We are forgiven but we are NOT worthy. This is the whole point of Jesus and the whole point of everything. Indeed through this we gain humility. Believing we are worthy does allow arrogance in.
God bless you and Jesus hold you ever more close
Anne
Jesus, I trust in You
FreeBritain1 1 year ago
@Hotnuttt -Salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone. Romans 3:28 "For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.". Now, genuine and true saving faith will produce the fruit of good works(James 2:14-26), but salvation is by no means the result of doing good works, for all our own righteousness is as filthy rags(Isaiah 64:6)
TruthJesusAloneSaves 1 year ago
@Hotnutt - Jude (Jesus' brother) said that the faith was once for all delivered to the saints. So since we have "the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints", we do not need a pope, to tell the church what to believe, what to do, and to add to scripture, because the faith was "once for all delivered to the saints." In fact the pope is the very kind of false teacher that Jude was describing(Jude 8-13).
TruthJesusAloneSaves 1 year ago
Yep, catholicism is great if you like a good "works" based religion.
No thanks, I'll take the perfect, finished work of Christ.
gtrjunky 1 year ago
Should I listen to Mark Driscoll? That's one way to piss your life away.
oo7curtis 1 year ago
I love it when people like Mark driscoll say it like it is. We need more christians who are not afraid to say what is right and what is wrong. We need bold preachers! Thanks Mark! Stop trying to fit God into your own lifestyle, He is God, He is the same yesterday, today and forever.
DieMaskerMeisie 1 year ago 10
@DieMaskerMeisie Well, I believe he is far to be the only on this area. The fact they are not out there with a camera on them does not mean they don't exist.
teachercath 1 week ago
This is fairly sound advice. I will approach emerging authors quite often-and do think a good foundation in reading/studying the bible as well as philosophy as this brother stated- for me it is about research. Now, I have well over a hundred books about this and if you just want to know in order to be able to give an answer-I would say Generous Orthodoxy, a emerging manifesto, and listening to the voices or beliefs of emergent(cannot remember the exact title) and no more then that
daveme7 1 year ago
Driscoll is an awesome shepherd guarding his sheep from the wolves.
BigMikeLewis 1 year ago
Srich1954. He doesn't want his congregation to be led astray. He has strong doctrine, whereas the authors he is telling them to stay away from, stray away from doctrine altogether.
plus. Know your facts about "fundamentalists" as you call them (people with sound Doctrine from the Word of God) Mars Hill and The Village Church are to of the biggest growing churches in the world and have solid doctrine. Or "fundamentalists" as you call them
Duanejunior6 2 years ago
I have to say I am disappointed by this clip. I thought Mars Hill was more open to new ideas and directions. What I see is the old patriarchal hierachy that is driving the next generation out of the Church. There is a reason that the Emerging congregations are growing and the Fundamentalists are shrinking. There are fewer and fewer people out there who simply want someone to tell them what to believe.
srich1954 2 years ago
he is a pastor, it is his job to shepherd his flock
irishsallie 2 years ago 2
"Fundamentalists are shrinking"... where are you getting this? Bible-believing congregations continue to grow, while "liberal" denominations continue to shrink.
As far as "new ideas and new directions"... if those ideas and directions are opposed to the Bible, then you're in the wrong faith. Even Christopher Hitchens, a rabid atheist, recognizes that if you don't believe in the teachings of the Bible, then you're in no way a Christian.
DesScorp 1 year ago
I would recommend Don't Know Much About the Bible by Kenneth C. Davis.
xTRUExHATEx 2 years ago
well said.
dazmandawson 2 years ago
what part in the bible did Jesus say to put Him behind a turn table and print that on a shirt.
NO GRAVEN IMAGES. Exo 20
I wonder if "Pastor" Mark read that part.
Medafoure 2 years ago
He wears these as a "joke" or "mockery" to expose you to the stuff that's out there.
I wonder if you should do more research.
pulleyjay 2 years ago
Galatians 6:7
Oh iv done my research.
People mock Jesus then he mocks them for mocking Jesus? where does it say to do that in the word. His way of dealing with it its wrong. If somebody kills with a gun should i ware a gun on my shirt? You think Jesus cares if Mark "defends" Him? what does Jesus need defending from?
Medafoure 2 years ago
Do you know the artists that paint those images were homosexuals? Do some research on those gentile roman catholic artists. Cause I have, if you did you would be as furious as I am and as God is. Why you think Jesus looks so feminine? He was a carpenter trades man!!! Not a sissy. This is why He said make NOTHING in my image.
Medafoure 2 years ago
Tdanceman2007 said:where can i get dat shirt
You think they will wear it for the same reasons Mark wears it. Regardless of marks "intentions" he's still wearing "Jesus" on his chest which still goes against what God said. So hes sinning to defend or make a joke against people that arent saved themselves? where does it say that?
Exposing sin to sinners while sinning.
FALSE DOCTRINE. you may be angry all you want but you know its wrong, not my fault i didnt make the rules i only speak them.
Medafoure 2 years ago
ive done my research on Mark you know he called Jesus a "dude" in a nationaly televised debate?
do you know what dude means?
Dude:
A word that americans use to address each other. Particularly stoners, surfers and skaters
:a man excessively concerned with his clothes, grooming, and manners.
dude up, Informal. to dress in one's fanciest, best, or most stylish clothes; dress up: He got all duded up to go to the dance
Medafoure 2 years ago
Maybe we should ban all forms of art. I would definitely be up for banning half that modern "art" that is out there...
I'm sure Pastor Mark does not worship his t-shirt. After all that is the context of Exodus 20:4-5!
lchiddle 2 years ago
banning art is not going to happen. im just repeating what Jesus Himself said and it looks like people dont like this.
worship is not just music its how you live which includes your style of dress. so we can see which Jesus Mark worships,its the one he made up. the 'dude' Jesus.
Medafoure 2 years ago
With kind of logic we should all walk around in the nude. Oh wait... no, then we would be worshipping ourselves. If you wear a Nike t-shirt then you are worshipping Nike. If you wear an sports top then you are worshipping not only that sport, but also that team. If you wear any form of jewelery then you are worshipping that stone...etc, etc...
Get real. Read your bible and learn about the grace of God, instead of pointing your finger in judgement.
lchiddle 2 years ago
its not about what you ware? so can i dress like a prostitute in church and live like one and still be excepted by God grace? what you believe is how you behave. i cant judge any body but i do have decrement., was Paul 'judging' the churches when he wrote the letters telling them how far from God they were? but you still read that dont you? but when somebody else repeats it there 'judging'?
i do read my bible and i speak and live it for those who dont i tell them, as im called to do. Matt 7
Medafoure 2 years ago
A bit extreme, but I can only repeat what the bible says.
"For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."
Galatians 2:19-21
lchiddle 2 years ago
extreme? was it extreme when the world was flooded because nobody was righteous? Its not extreme its not liberal, its not judging, its not hating, its only the truth. God does not play around with His law, it is what it is. if you love Him you will keep His commandments. Call me what you want im only reiterating the truth. If you have a problem take it up with God cause I didnt make the rules.
Medafoure 2 years ago
Hey Medafoure, don't know if you aware, but Jesus died for YOUR sin. Christian's don't live under the law. Unless you can living by the law and not sin once, you are cursed under the law. It is through the law that we recognise sin and come to repeatance. The righteous live by faith in Jesus, and through his blood are we justified. This is the Gospel; it means good news not good advise. You shall never be made righteous by the works of the law.
lchiddle 2 years ago
name one thing iv said to contradict what you said.
"It is through the law that we recognize sin and come to repentance."
what if i ignore this law, and when people warn me from breaking it i say there 'judging'?
then what do you do?
Medafoure 2 years ago
of course He died for sin but thats why HE died but why did THEY kill Him? For our sins? No! they killed Him because He spoke the truth and the Pharisees didnt like it. They said He was a blasphemer, because He called out there sins. No different from me.
The more im persecuted them more I know Im with Jesus Matthew 5:11
Medafoure 2 years ago
Mate, seriously you're all over the place. Do some serious reading of the bible, and stop picking and choosing what you take out of it.
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself A RANSOM FOR ALL... - 1 Timothy 2:5-6
Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say ALL KINDS OF EVIL AGAINST YOU FALSELY FOR MY SAKE." - Lol, stop feeling sorry for yourself, I'm setting you straight not persecuting you.
lchiddle 2 years ago
my friend i do read my bible with vigor. i also live it . You 'setting me straight' as if i was not, 5 or 6 comments shows what about me? im not all over, I speak the truth. Again name one thing that was out of line? I feel sorry for what reason? I come to warn of false teachers and i have personal problems? lol
and im all over the place? talk about projection and assumption.
Just for get it man, you dont want to learn. cause i dont have spiked hair and a false image on my shirt.
Medafoure 2 years ago
As I don't know what you look like I'm hardly judging you by that. It's not what you're saying, it's what you're not. You are making out that we should still abide by and live under the law. You know, if that's the way you feel maybe you should get rid of your Christian bible, get circumcised and pick up the Torah.
"The just shall live by faith" - Galatians 3:11
"But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law." - Galatians 5:18
lchiddle 2 years ago
its so hypocritical people criticizing gods will and laws! When us humans sentence someone to death even though according to gods laws we are all criminals, its ok! but when god does it! ooof damn people get out of control!
RinaMinaama7 2 years ago
God did not wipe out the world because of law He did it because of Jesus, Noah was the only blood line (human) left on earth so God created the flood to save Jesus blood line. thus the wars in the bible., demons were phyicaly fighting isreal to kill the blood line of Jesus., Notice even up to the day He was bron they were ploting to kill Him., but when he was born., the wars stoped. why? because there was no need to kill his blood line. you read all this in Gen. if you read-search properly.
Medafoure 2 years ago
church is a competition to guys like church is a game ... ATLEAST JOEL OLSTEEN ISN'T ON YOUTUBE!! HAHHAHA
amyeb13 2 years ago
The best thing here is simply this...more people should read their Bibles!
willyjaybob 2 years ago
I like Mark Driscoll.. I wasn't aware he didn't agree with some Bell's teachings. To what doctrines was he referring too? Does anyone know?
ServantofGod14 2 years ago
If someone said that Rob was more akin to a form of universalism, what would be your response? IF panthiesm/pananthiesm was a tenet of Bell's theory, what would you think about that? I am just asking a question, I am not looking to be clothes lined by any Bell fans k?
john146only 2 years ago
My Grandfather owned only 2 books in his life that helped him live to a rightfull age of 78, and he passed on peacefully. Those books were the Bible and a Biblical concordance. He always used to say, "What use do I have of other theologians? Great! So you love to read the Bible. Now, can you do me a favor, shutup, and give me some time to read mine!" LOL! He was a character. Please dont judge him by that comment. He just loved Christ way too much
zmode82 2 years ago
We all meet Jesus in many different ways. You, sir, are so totally "stuck" in your head....take your attention to your heart and then maybe you will begin to know truth.....Wm Paul Young, at least, is coming from his heart.
odelia777 2 years ago
Hmmm...the word of God says that "the heart is wicked and deceitful..." Jer.17:9
I guess the bible is a better place to look for truth than the human heart.
gtrjunky 2 years ago 3
What do you mean we all meet Jesus in different ways. What does that mean odelia777.
john146only 2 years ago
where can i get dat shirt.!!!!!
Tdanceman2007 2 years ago
I like his point that new Christians should study the Bible before they start reading pastors' books, especially if they read slowly. This is the case for me.
Minime13e2 2 years ago 35
Same for me. I read a lot of books that weren't the bible and was pretty uncertain about some stuff. Of course if I spent a lot of time reading my bible I wouldn't have that uncertainty inside. Gotta have some bible food.
tlsnow44 2 years ago
I think it's a strange point to make. Can you ever really "know" the Bible? And further, it is often futile to read the Bible without agents to help understand the context and history in which it was written, because we tend to put our own context and culture into what we read. I get his point though.
stargirrl821 2 years ago
Your a Jehovah Witness aren't you? haha. Well it doesnt really matter actually.
Either way it's not to say that Christians worship the bible anyway. Christians worship God. Plus I do feel that we are capable of understanding a bit of the bible in a lot of cases and sometimes we need to inquire with a friend or someone who knows more about the part we don't get but nah. Oh and if you add in your own context, chances are you aren't reading front to back ;) Context is usually there.
tlsnow44 2 years ago
@Minime13e2
But if new Christians study the Bible without a pastor present, how will they know all the justifications for all the really disgusting parts where God goes crazy and kills everybody, orders people to stone each other, and condones slavery?
terracottapie 1 year ago
@terracottapie I guess your referring to the judgement of God on Canaan if you read the covenant of God with abraham he tells him that the sins of the amorites haven't reached full measure which means they hadn't done enough evil to deserve judgement. So when they had done enough wrong he made the decision to eliminate them as whole from the region
the1qb 1 year ago
@the1qb "So when they had done enough wrong he made the decision to eliminate them as whole from the region"
How lovely! Sounds like Hitler. Heil Jehovah!
NormDePlume69 1 year ago
@NormDePlume69 I bet your one of the same guys who says if God is good why does he allow evil then when he brings judgement you say he's unjust it shows how foolish and circular your thinking is
the1qb 1 year ago
@the1qb You're completely wrong, I'm not "one of those guys".
What you described, just happens to sound exactly like Hitler's line of thinking, that's all.
I don't wonder why God allows evil, he ordered his followers to do evil on many occasioons, and committed great evil himself, why would I wonder why he would allow it?
NormDePlume69 1 year ago
"Ima big boy." WHERE ARE THOSE CHRISTIANS??? God wants christians like this!!!
lucasdasilvamaria 2 years ago 13
@lucasdasilvamaria yet he said we should be like little children
TheCarydal 1 year ago
Shouldnt everybody read a lot and not just pastors? Ephesians seems to say that pastors are here to ake everybody equally mature, not to just keep themselves more mature, more reading and more wise etc...
lucasdasilvamaria 2 years ago
I have a question, feel free to respond in private or here...have you read the "discarded" books?
clanngunn1 2 years ago
Some of them
RJFerreiro 2 years ago
Did you know that if you go to the river and pick up a rock
you can bring that rock home and pray to it every day?
It's true!
And it always answers your prayers!
I believe they have a name for that... let me see...oh yeah... IDOLATRY!
There is one difference imaginefree... that rock is not going to keep a person out of Hell!...
Soldier7of7Christ 2 years ago
" that rock is not going to keep a person out of Hell!..."
Like I said.
Just like god.
Just exactly like god.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
To that dear iimaginefree I say this one thing.
.....Wait and See....
Soldier7of7Christ 2 years ago
And now, what are you feeling?
My desire is to feel what I have been feeling all this years forever... So, I hope I will never lose my faith in God and that our relationship get stronger and stronger each day.
In fact, I want to be in my father's house all day, living each minute with joy and freedom.
If you have found this inside you, alone, congratulation and keep going with this toughts. I DON'T WANT TO DESTROY WHAT I HAVE, IT'S TO GOOD! Any way, He loves you and is listening your clam.
silencioatual 2 years ago
Continue.... (Imaginefree69)
He is a great company and is helping me to achieve more and more on earth, now and in a few seconds.
How can you choose put Him away of your life! You are losing the best of your days on earth: Jesus and all the love He brings with Him... It's so good! He makes me laugh, He teachs me how to see the best of the moments and give health to live everything with passion...
silencioatual 2 years ago
Did you know that if you go to the river and pick up a rock
you can bring that rock home and pray to it every day?
It's true!
And it always answers your prayers!
Mind you, sometimes the answer will be YES,
sometimes it will be NO,
and sometimes it will be WAIT,
but it will always answer your prayer.
Just like God.
Just exactly like God.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
I wish you could feel what I feel when I hear the sweet voice of our God, when I'm afraid and He puts me in His arms, when I cry and He hugs me in a gentle and lovely way... I wish you could feel what I feel when He correct me and say NO just because He doesn't want me to get hurt I wish you could found again this FATHER, your lovely FATHER.
I'm sorry but the God I know its extremely real.
One thing I agree with you... You lost 40 years teaching about a person you didn't know.
silencioatual 2 years ago
I felt all those things, too, for 40 years.
I really did.
Don't you know that feelings are not evidence?
Those identical feelings are found by millions
in Islam, B'hai, Buddhism, Hindu, Wicca, Native Sweats, Palmistry, Spiritism, infatuation, drugs, and volunteering with community charities.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
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Soldier7of7Christ 2 years ago
I don't believe in E.T, so I never spend my time discursing about it with anyone... Simply because I'm sure of what I think.
Why do you spend your time discursing about the existence of God if you are so sure that He is nothing, does't have power and can change people life.
Let us adore and love our great God. Because we believe on Him and, even if you not believe, he believes on you, loves you.
Look, He will be who He is independently what you want Him to be or not to be.
Kisses! God loves!
silencioatual 2 years ago
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
Dear friend,
"To encourage people to live THIS life rather than wait for a nonexistent life after death".
What makes you believe that we, who believe in God, don't live each day in a wonderfull way! In fact, each day of mine is amazing with many good surprises because God has this for me right now, today! I'm not waiting to live with Him a perfect life in the "future" because I'm enjoying to live ALL MY DAYS on earth with HIM by my side...
silencioatual 2 years ago
"What makes you believe that we, who believe in God, don't live each day in a wonderfull way!"
40 years of experience and observation as a Pastor ,
Ambulance Paramedic and Family Violence Counsellor.
I observed that christians are more afraid of death and dying than their unbelieving neighbours,
and that christians did NOT have less poverty, injury,
disease, mental illness, sorrow or suicide.
That was my consistent observation.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
Why should anyone listen to Mark Driscoll? His quotes speak for themselves. He's just Jerry Falwell trying to be hip. The right-wing fundies like him have brought American evangelicalism to the point of ruin - in 10 years time, most of these megachurches are going to be empty, and evangelicals will be blamed for America's decline as a world power. Since you voted the way folks like this dweeb told you, YOU ARE to blame for some of it.
xinosaj 2 years ago
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
Wow imaginefree69, you must have a vantage point that no one else has. With the ability to be all-knowing (as you must be in order to make such bold statements) you should really teach us what we cannot know apart from you!
If destroys it EVERY TIME? really? Then why has (since the 1970's) religion been experiencing explosive growth (cabala, scientology, new-reformed and emerging christianity, etc...) over the last 3 decades? Aren't we more educated? Why has science failed to give us purpose?
preson777 2 years ago
Explosive growth?
You're kidding yourself.
The fastest-growing change in religious views
is that the turn to atheism is outstripping all religions combined.
Your snide and insulting comments
do not add credibility to your arguments, BTW.
We should leave that behind by grade 5.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
That statement is factually wrong brother. Do you have ANY real research to back that up?
And where exactly did I insult you? I was pointing out your fallacy of thinking.
You believe that somehow you are not standing on faith, but you are forgetting that to say "there is no God" is to state an unknowable absolute truth. You have the same 5 senses that everyone else has, and none of them give you the ability to know for certain what you are stating.
Nice "red herring" arguement though.
preson777 2 years ago
" Do you have ANY real research to back that up?"
Let's Google it, shall we?
"A study done by the Graduate Center of the City University of New York found that the percentage of the population that describes itself as "nonreligious" more than doubled from 1990 to 2001, from 14.3 million to 29.4 million people. The only other group to show growth was Muslims. . ."
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
TWO
24-page summary of the 2009 American Religious Identification Survey.
the number of Americans who claim no religious affiliation has nearly doubled since 1990, rising from 8 to 15 percent.
the percentage of self-identified Christians has fallen 10 percentage points since 1990, from 86 to 76 percent.
Meanwhile, the number of people willing to describe themselves as atheist or agnostic has increased about fourfold from 1990 to 2009, from 1 million to about 3.6 million.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
"That statement is factually wrong brother. Do you have ANY real research to back that up?"
The statement is correct and I have shown you research available with TWO mouse clicks.
"where exactly did I insult you?"
Wow imaginefree69,
you must have a vantage point that no one else has. With the ability to be all-knowing (as you must be in order to make such bold statements) you should really teach us what we cannot know apart from you!
Typical christian sarcasm and insult..
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
That doesn't define the Christian God. Those are just our attempts to describe Him. All-knowing and All-powerfull are extra biblical ideas, those phrases are not used anywhere in the ancient texts.
You just built a god and said he doesn't exist.
preson777 2 years ago
"All-knowing and All-powerfull are extra biblical ideas, those phrases are not used anywhere in the ancient texts. "
Quite right.
Also the omnipresent doctrine,
the inerrency of scripture doctrine,
the doctrine of eternal hell,
and even calling the Bible "the Word of God."
All of these are extra-scriptural traditions.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
Yeah. It's sort of like the word "capitalism" is not found in the constitution, but we gather from the text that it is what america is.
I agree with all those statements. The "word of god" is simply a descriptor of how authoritative a person believes the books of the bible to be.
Cultural interpretations will always creep in, that doesn't make them wrong... and it doesn't mean the text isn't true in a historical sense... and it doesn't mean there was no resurrection.
Happy easter btw.
preson777 2 years ago
Matthew 25:41 (referring to people, look at the context)
Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
Omnipresence- Psalm 139:7-12
John 10:35 ...—and Scripture cannot be broken—
Luke 24:44
Then he said to them, These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.
benitosuave 2 years ago
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
As usual, you are putting your own thoughts into the text.
I offered to follow up in direct messaging, but you refused twice, so I am not going to bother reasoning with you.
benitosuave 2 years ago
"you are putting your own thoughts into the text."
If you are confident that any of my assertions is incorrect,
please pick up your Bible and correct me.
I'm certain you would if you could.
No, I am not a bit interested in allowing you to drag me off into a dark corner so that folks can't see the truth.
If you have something to say,
let's see it here in the light of day.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
It is easy to slam a stupid comment on a wall, I wanted to be fair to the issue and be able to talk about it in more than 500 characters, in way that does not resort to personal attacks and vain accusations, but apparently you can't make this not get personal, so it's not worth my time. I'm not interested in hurling grenades over the fence at people who are too bitter to examine issues fairly.
benitosuave 2 years ago
"personal attacks and vain accusations"
I agree with you in disliking these things
and I agree that they add nothing to the discussion.
I must protest at your accusation, though.
I have made no personal attacks nor initiated personal remarks.
If you have something to bring to the discussion,
here I am, waiting.
If not, that's your prerogative.
Please don't blame me for your personal choices.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
"John 10:35 ...—and Scripture cannot be broken—"
Yes?
This says nothing about inerrency,
and I think Jesus said this rather tongue-in-cheek.
He was saying that this was the belief of the Jews,
not that he himself was promoting it.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
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Imaginefree69 2 years ago
Gen 18:14
Is anything too hard for the Lord?
Job 42:2
I know that you can do all things, and that no purpose of yours can be thwarted.
benitosuave 2 years ago
Hello! Pajama Hadin here! Dan Kimball and Donald Miller!!? Are you serious? So what you're saying is that there is 'no danger' with liberal christians who hide under a banner of modern tolerance? Sorry Mark but if you 'emphasize' the whole sin, faith and repentance issue like you mention here, then you would deter God's sheep from people like that.
Whoops! There's me getting all 'fundamental and judgmental' again. Sorry but leaders should be standing up for what is right(eous).
naechancelad 2 years ago
of course Mark Driscoll is all about truth lol..............listen to rob bell please! this guy is all hate anger and down on women!
brentazzz 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
He talks about how Bell and McLaren don't teach some of the orthodox beliefs of Christianity and yet he's wearing a t-shirt with Jesus as a DJ. Yes Mark, that really portrays Jesus as the Lord you profess him to be.
mattman228 2 years ago
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mattman228 2 years ago
God loves the Calvinist! Pass it on!
ChristianTULIP 2 years ago
God loves everyone the same :-D
scoston05 2 years ago
ChristianTULIP 2 years ago
Man, I was talking about Calvinists and Non-Calvinists in reply to the comment before mine. Thanks for trying to prove me wrong though.
scoston05 2 years ago
And of course your assuming that NonCalvinists (those who reject salvation by sovereign grace alone) have a right to call themselves Christians and are not in fact wolves in sheeps clothing.
ChristianTULIP 2 years ago
I don't get what your point of that comment was, that NonCalvanists can not be saved? If so, you are WAY off.
scoston05 2 years ago
Well a Non-Calvinist can be saved, but will eventually come to the scriptural knowledge that their salvation could only have been already predetermined for them by God according to undeserved sovereign Grace. They will give God the father all the credit for their election, God the son all the credit for their justification and God the Holy Spirit all the credit for their regeneration. They will come to know that they could have done nothing in and of themselves to become saved.
ChristianTULIP 2 years ago
can you show me a verse to back that up?
cubie777 2 years ago
cubie777
If you are a truly saved believer in Christ, it is only because God chose to bestow this loving gift on you. See my email.
ChristianTULIP 2 years ago
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
Mr. Imaginefree69,
Who are you to judge God? Did you create heaven and earth? Did you breathe life into all creatures? Do you give rain, sunlight and wind to sustain man on the earth? What have you done to justify any judgment on God??
Fact is your just a spiritually dead sinner in his natural state - blind/deaf,dumb to the truth with hatred for God as a consequence of your fallen nature. Unless you become saved through Christ, you will perish come judgment day. Turn or burn-See my video
ChristianTULIP 2 years ago
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
You think that pulling a couple of words out of a verse is a sufficient understanding God? LOL! You poor guy!
Isaiah1:18 is about God's promise to justify his people through the blood of Jesus.
Isaiah 1:18
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
It has nothing to do with some imaginary game of chess you have in your head about God vs. man.
ChristianTULIP 2 years ago
Those phrases were not written to you. They were said to particular people at a particular time.
you are making the same mistake that the fundamentalists make.
preson777 2 years ago
"Those phrases were not written to you. "
Here's a little news flash, preson-
NONE of the Bible was written to EITHER of us.
Most of the OT was written to ancient descendants of Abraham,
some was written to, say, a specific king,
most of the NT was written to specific churches, etc.
So what are you saying,
that I have no right to comment on any of the Bible?
That ought to promote discussion.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
You can judge anyone you choose, the issue is.. Who Cares? You are just one of millions of people who God laugh's at. And the sad part is, you accomplish nothing by your mindless drivel. Look at M.M.O'hare. All the mindless crap she spewed in her banal attempt to attack Christianity, and where did she end up?
In a Shallow grave...
Soldier7of7Christ 2 years ago
"Look at M.M.O'Hare."
She is a courageous hero
and a martyr to the tyranny of christianity in America.
If the christians have their will
I' too will be killed,
but if I can do something as huge
as removing mandatory prayer from public schools
my life will have been well spent.
Imaginefree69 2 years ago
imagine... Madaline Murray O'hare was a bitter greedy old woman who stole money from her own organization, She was not a martyr, She was murdered by one of her own. and as i said, She ended up in a shallow grave, and whether she has ceased to exist, or is burning in hell, in the scope of eternity she has done nothing. she removed prayers from public schools? Big Deal, God hears the silent prayers of Children who seek him weather in school or not...
Soldier7of7Christ 2 years ago
whether.. sorry crappy spelling...
Soldier7of7Christ 2 years ago
You really don't think God loves them?
preson777 2 years ago
of course driscoll thinks HIS interpretations of scripture are superior. everyone thinks their own opinions are the right ones, but your opinion doesn't change the reality of what God is actually saying.
timthelion 2 years ago
Replace that darn shirt with a plain shirt.
God must be in a heart not on a shirt.
yasses36 3 years ago
true, making images of God and then dragging him through the mud as this guy's seeker-sensitive style, is wrong.
The sandals must be removed with this regarding God.
reformedman 2 years ago
The Bible is Jesus Christ. The living Word and the written Word rise or fall together and Mark's statements about the Bible being your cornerstone is right one, and from experience I have wasted $ and time in the same manner. I recommend staying as far from commentaries as the light is from darkness. I also say approach getting involved in a church with much caution. Like Mark has said you can not make a sound decision until you have read and studied your bible and allowed God to teach
Dmusic1970 3 years ago
4:10 TO END. It's evident that Driscoll has never listened to Bell talk about anything. all joking aside. seriously. the dude has not listened to Bell. and for him to question there love for Jesus. He's in danger of falling into the fire he claims he claims he controls
BenjaminCarlton 3 years ago
Driscoll is on the ball here with great advice and wisdom based on biblical truth.
He is right about Bell, some of his theology is questionable!
bilby01 3 years ago 2
people interpret through a particular lens, and Driscoll brings his own baggage as to how he understands the bible. 'Sin repentance and faith in Jesus' is actually a very narrow understanding of the 'focus' of the bible. How about love. Or justice. Perhaps Driscoll should simply encourage people to read as widely as they can, that way they can make up their own mind.
steveh20man 3 years ago
Wow... you may as well be a terrorist...
WilliamExists 3 years ago
hahaha... uhhh... I just felt like saying some provocative. ignore me.
WilliamExists 3 years ago
Great message: Don't read books, except the bible. Keep your flock servile and ignorant, Mark. Very effective.
cjohansen7 3 years ago
You missed the point totally.
chiodoce 3 years ago
With his power over thousands, Driscoll uses it not for spreading knowledge and encouraging his congregation to educate themselves, but rather to have them dwell on this ancient book of myths. The bible is a great book. In fact, I think it should be taught in school as one of the great works of literature. But I don't see how anyone could read the old testament as anything but fiction. And to get your morality from such a book is frightening.
cjohansen7 3 years ago
He *is* encouraging them to educate themselves. His target audience here are *Christians*. He's saying as Christians we should educate ourselves with the Bible BEFORE we start spending all this money on books from all these "Christian" authors. Not everyone writes things that are Biblical, and you need to know what is correct to prevent being led astray by false prophets.
chiodoce 3 years ago 2
"Driscoll's New Calvinism underscores a curious fact: the doctrine of total human depravity has always had a funny way of emboldening, rather than humbling, it's adherents." Molly Worthen, NY Times.
adamwilliams4405 3 years ago