When I was still a Catholic, I attended one service where they didn't use the cardboard wafer thing, but they used broken Ritz biscuits as their holy Jesus cracker instead. Honest! XD
The whole ritual is absolutely crazy. I mean, no matter how many incantations and magic holy words you say over the crackers and the wine, they're not going to ever turn into the literal body and blood of Jesus. If they did, it would be really gross, like, there would be blood and stuff everywhere lol
I was raised in the Greek Orthodox church. They used to use a goblet filled with wine and bits of bread (blood and body) for communion. Two for one deal. Everyone used the SAME SPOON to receive the communion. Luckily, the priest would wipe the spoon on a MAGICAL cleansing cloth between receivers. I was about 8 years old when I decided never to receive communion again.
Anti-Catholicism has become the last acceptable prejudice in what passes for polite society. We have all heard comments about Catholics that if applied to almost any other group would simply not be tolerated. Freedom of speech YES ! But not when it's laced with hate and a call to action against what individuals find Sacred. Would you also write anti-Semitic comments on the walls of a Synagogue?
@KidsMatterCanadaInc "AIDS is bad, but condoms are worse," was the battle cry of the pope to prevent condoms from going into Africa where they need it, simply because he was going to force his religion on them, and if they didn't convert to the Catholic view, then who cares if they die. There is nothing impolite about saying that Catholics are assholes when it results in the death of millions. The nerve. Don't cry, we say worse about the Muslims.
No religion should be protected from scrutiny, especially when the beliefs are utterly ridiculous. I should know; I was Catholic for many years before I realized how downright horrible the beliefs in that religion were. In fact, all religious beliefs are ridiculous.
Being against the Catholic beliefs should be the right thing to think. Seriously, if you think that newborn babies are inherent sinners and deserve eternal hellfire, then something is clearly wrong with you.
If taking the cracker away from the altar is kidnapping, isn't eating it then cannibalism? Isn't Catholicism then institutionalized cannibalism? Isn't cannibalism illegal?
@MRGV7373 you sound as persuasive as a dude from saudi arabia declaring with confidence he knows allah is real. and if someone had switched the two of you as babies, he'd be now defending christianity and you'd be declaring your certainty about islam. give me a break! you people believe whatever is popular in your part of the world, usually the same thing your parents believe. it's totally random. yet you always claim to 'know'. seriously, this is pathetic.
@leptismagna10 Very bright and intelligent of you. Have you looked and read the gospel of Luke? What does it say, how about John?? What does it say?? Read the Gospels and see what they say??
@leptismagna10 Great so you critique something that you have never read, Stupid Person, At least I have read the documents and studied them. 1001 arabian nights is know to be fiction, John, Luke are know to be very good history. So why not read it and at least know what you don't believe. Your ignorant behavior just make you look stupid. Stupid is what stupid does. Read it and then think!!
@elibeth121 its only the truth if you can prove it. you or any priest saying its true doesn't make it so. nobody has any "magical" powers that can turn cookies into god.
you can IMAGINE it happening, and your religious brainwashing makes you think you've "experienced something", maybe Jesus or maybe acid reflux.
@leptismagna10 What we believe is important, but even more important is the One in whom we believe. I would not believe if I did not realize that it is reasonable to believe.
@leptismagna10 on the night he was handed over, took bread, and, after he had given thanks, broke it and said, "This is my body that is for you. Do this in remembrance of me." In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me." For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the death of the Lord until he comes. Yes wow that is certainly "magical" idiot. Remembering oohhh
The blood and body of Christ is the remembrance of Jesus death on the Cross. If wants to desecrate the host, cracker, bread. Why would anyone offend some one by doing this. All person should act with care and not be offensive. Why bate people? To prove you are special? To be a pain?? Just leave them alone and go about your life. If you don't believe in Jesus, fine. But they don't come to your meetings and wave God around, do they?? Grow up and be responsible. Golden rule.
@MRGV7373 A small point, but as Jesus made the link between his body to bread and blood to wine at the Last Supper, it actually has nothing to do with remembering his death on the cross, but instead his claim that partaking of it is needed to gain ever lasting life.
That being said, I agree with you that the hosts' of the show are basically being asses just to troll Catholicism, and it really does make them look very immature.
@note4note No one has to partake of the body and blood physically, since belief in Jesus is the key to ever last life. The wine and bread represent Jesus body and blood by belief. To take it literally is would be cannibalism and not valid in Judaism.
@MRGV7373 Of course it would not be valid in Judaism, considering Judaism considers nothing from the New Testament. If it is not meant to be literal, then how else do you interpret John 6:48-66? Either he means his words literally which explains the disgust of his followers, or he intentionally mislead them and choose not to correct their understanding, thus tricking them into no longer following his word.
@note4note Jesus says many things that if taken literally would be a big mistake. No one ever eat Jesus body and blood, it is never recorded. So Jesus was taking in figures of speech, To eat and drink Jesus is to believe in Him, See earlier in John Chp 6. Work of God is to Believe in Jesus, not drink or eat His body. Look it up. The Jews took him literally and they got all out of joint. Look what Peter says, You have the works of Life. Belief is words is the key to Jesus. Not canable
@MRGV7373 Perhaps I should clarify. I never argued that Jesus said to literally kill and eat him, only that he made the literal point of needing to eat of the bread that IS his body and drink the wine that IS his blood in order to have eternal life. He's pretty clear about that in the verses I referenced earlier, unless you think he was just tricking people. It's not even a parable or metaphor, because he doesn't equate the act to anything beyond what he says it is.
@note4note Yes, Christian that follow Jesus word will take the bread and wine and remember that Jesus died for them and believe in Him as their Lord and Savior. They will be saved by doing both.
"If you wake up tomorrow morning thinking that saying a few Latin words over your pancakes is going to turn them into the body of Elvis Presley, you have lost your mind. But if you think more or less the same thing about a cracker and the body of Jesus, you’re just a Catholic.” - Sam Harris
first of all I find this video extremely distasteful, for many reasons. Second, it truly is Jesus present in the Eucharist, there have been miracles that have proven this. Dont believe me? no suprise, but look up the miracle of Lanciano, Italy that was scientifically studied and concluded that it was living human heart tissue and blood (1300 years after it happened) The group studying this miracle had no Catholics involved and they could not explain how it was possible using science.
@eatitjusteatit The Lanciano "miracle" researched only confirmed the existence of human flesh and blood in a reliquary. This doesn't prove that the flesh & blood were originally a Eucharist that was transformed, only that they exist.
A UFO researcher might be able to prove that the ground around a "landing site" has been burned, but that doesn't prove it was a spaceship: It only proves that something burned the ground. Same here: No proof of a miracle, only proof of flesh & blood existing.
@paxpaul Actually the research confirmed the existance of LIVING human heart tissue and freshly shed blood, something that would have been impossible to fake during the year and 1/2 they were researching it, let alone 1300 years that it has existed. We do not look to science to show it was a host at one point, instead we look to history and history suggests it was.
The UFO argument is a red herring and I will not be addressing it further.
@eatitjusteatit The research did NOT confirm living tissue, only that it was human tissue & blood (with the same blood type). It was NOT living tissue anymore, just well preserved. My UFO comment was neither an argument nor a red herring: It was an example showing that just because evidence exists doesn't prove the SOURCE of the evidence (burn marks/UFO, flesh&blood/eucharist). History doesn't suggest your conclusion at all. The likelier answer is a 1300-year-old hoax using real flesh & blood.
@eatitjusteatit Also, Dr. Linoli tried to use the Shroud of Turin as supporting evidence because the same AB blood type was found on the Shroud. Well, the Shroud was created in the 13th or 14th century, so it's already proven NOT to be Christ's shroud, so using this matching blood type doesn't help Linoli's case. Nor does his claim that the "Higher Council" of the WHO backed his findings, since there's no evidence of a "Higher Council" existing. (Unless you have the evidence--I can't find it.)
The Catholic Church gets attacked by a panoply of groups: Satanists, Islamists, Humanists, Secularists, Fundamentalists, Communists and the Atheists. Seems the whole world attacks them yet they are still here after 2000 years. Will the silly quips besmirching things held sacred last that long? My guess is 5 minutes or less.
@monkigun Technically, atheism has been around much much longer than the Catholic Church. But the whole thing is just a silly argument from authority anyway.
Christianity particularly Catholicism is disgusting. I was catholic. why is it disgusting? Because it encourages cannibalism. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out when you have a sadistic god killing people left and right throughout the old testament.
I find this really offensive and hurtful. What ever happend to respect? Why couldnt you respect our beliefs, our faith, and our lifestyle? And of you dont believe in any divine being why should you even care what we do in our rituals?
@HailMary53 I can understand why you find it offensive. But it is the nature of this show to look skeptically at all faith-based beliefs. Usually they focus on those faith-based beliefs that do harm, but they also look at beliefs (like this one) that appear prominently in the news and look particularly absurd to outsiders. Mormon magic underwear, Scientology "stress tests" are a couple other faith-based beliefs that in and of themselves don't do harm, but certainly look absurd to outsiders.
@iridescentsquids I respect their right to skeptism, because questions is how one can expand their understanding. But this is very different from mormon underwear, the eucharist is the center of our church and lifestyle. We don't expect you to understand that but we expect you to respect that. To me to threaten to take the eucharist from a church only to desecrate is just the same as burning the church down. Because that supposed "waffer" is the center of the entire church
@HailMary53 Again, I understand why it's offensive to you, even if I don't share the feeling.
I still find his point, however crudely put, valid. Looking from the outside, the fact that the church as a whole (or at least Catholic church authority) goes out of it's way to place value on these objects looks oddly trivial when compared to it's serious internal problems of protecting illegal sex activity and, in the case of Aids in Africa, spreading some serious lies. It's a comparative point.
I think there is some value in attempting to debunk authorities that assume an unjustified moral high ground. In short: The Catholic religion is both a personal belief deserving the same respect and rights as any other belief, and a political entity actively involved in social/political issues and not always behaving honestly. I believe the wafer thing is motivated by a desire to strip the political entity of its unjustified "sacred" authority over other people.
@HailMary53 People care about your beliefs because they are being imposed on everyone. When religions stop trying to force their way into politics, education, person lives etc I will stop caring about them.
The problem is that they will never stop.
I have no problem with any person's religion until they try to tell what I can & cannot do.
@Zentz29 Its a two way road if politics, education, and peoples lives were not interferring with religion i think that religion will stop interfering with them. This video is an example of how nonreligious are interfering with religious. Like abortion, that offends our belief in the sanctity of life. Divorce, that offends our belief in the sanctity of the family. Eucharistic desecration(although unconsecrated) damages our entire church and its foundation.
Simply speaking against religion is not the same as trying to FORCE personal beliefs on others.
Take abortion for example. I can't stand the idea of it, but I'm not trying to make it illegal because I don't like it. Religious people are.
Exercising free speach is NOT the same as trying to force people to live by your personal standards. Divorce is a choice. If you think you have the right to tell someone they're not allowed to do it, you're IMPOSING YOUR BELIEFS...
I'm a recent atheist as a result of watching these videos. I was originally catholic. Catholicism is a load of BS. In fact some priest in the 80's or 90's in my local area was a pedophile. This church scandal and their bigotry disgusts me!!!!!
And now havock's blocked me from one of his videos because he wants to keep spewing bigoted and prejudiced views of the world without anyone disagreeing. Anyone notice that it's usually the religious who feel the need to moderate all comments, disable comments, or block users solely for disagreeing? Kinda tells you a lot about the mindset, doesn't it?
People of religion certainly have no problem trying to deny rights to homosexuals or trying to keep women from having autonomy over their own bodies, so why should anyone care if an inanimate object such as a cracker is desecrated? If religious people can't respect the rights of people outside of their religion, then why should anyone outside of their religion have respect for their religious practices?
@mcneely2818 The guys on the video. They are sick and twisted individuals. They claim to be descent people but they want to desecrate that which others hold to be the most holy, in the world.
@havock89 So because they don't buy the business with the cracker, they are sick and twisted? It's a cracker!
A lot of people find freedom of choice about abortion and proper contraceptive education, to be invaluable. Both issued are or have been (not entirely sure on the current situation) opposed by the catholic church. By your logic the catholic church is sick and twisted, which I won't argue with.
@havock89 if i told you i could turn a cucumber into the true substance of gumby, but it still looks, smells, tastes, and basically is still a cucumber, would you call me silly? I sure would.
@mcneely2818 That is not what is being discussed here. organising the desecration of the eucharist is sick and bigoted. I call atheists silly because they think they can suffice as their own tin-pot god, but i dont kidnap your children and deficate on them.
@mcneely2818 Try and get it through your THICK skull. Let us be psychotic. Its our psychosis, and its NONE of your business what happens in the mass. You are not interested in what catholicism teaches. You are happy being your own little tin-pot-god, and I am happy to let you. So there is no reason for you to invade our private services and steal that which we hold most sacred. Be it a the HOLY EUCHARIST of the altar or a golden chalice, or a crucifix. Your evaluation of a thing is irrelevant.
@havock89 Actually it is the business of EVERYBODY. Your irrational and ANNOYING beliefs slow the progress of human kind and also affects the world in economic ways.... useless
@alo754 That is utter rubbish. You have NO right to take that which you do not rightly deserve. The fact that you are annoyed by the beliefs of christianity is your failing and I could not give a damn about it. You advocate people stealing and being hateful towards others because of no other reason than your own bigotry. You are exposed.
It is your irrational beliefs that slow the progress of human kind and your kinds mentality that has destroyed the western worlds economy.
@havock89 Haha! That is the most redicilous arguement i've ever heard. He makes it clear not to disrupt the mass.
Under what law is it illegal to walk into a church, receive a gift, and then walk out? It is not stealing anything, because the church is not really supposed to take payment! Read the book.
What he is advocating, is to show the irrational belief that a cracker that doesn't taste anything, is a piece of christs body.
If anything, it's the closed mind of religion that slows progress!
@ShadeOnTheUtube So what you are saying is that if you can steal that which does not rightly belong to you, and do it without anyone realising, its not theft?
What he is advocating is the desecration of that which we hold most dear in life. It may be insane to you, but I dont give a rats-ass what you consider to be important.
Its the singular and productive dirve of christinaity that MADE the western world what it is, and secular humanism has all but destroyed it. Good job!
@havock89 Did i say steal? The church freely hands out those in their mass. You are expected to eat them, but i am very certain there is no law forcing you to eat them.
If you hold a piece of wheat and water mixture so highly, i would like to point you to your family and multicultural neighboors.
I would beg to differ, It was secular thinking that made the world what it is today. If we had continued to follow religious dogma, you would have to remove every single scientific breakthrough.
@ShadeOnTheUtube Its for catholics alone, and you know it. The church has laws, and you are breaking them. You have no right to ANYTHING in the church. NONE. You are outside the box, and your desire to steal desecrate that which we hold most precious is clear proof of your vile, hatred, prejudice and bigotry.
@jazzx251 Your opinion on what catholics value has absolutely NO VALUE at all. Your opinion on how God can turn the substance of a thing in to his body and blood is of absolutely NO VALUE at all.
If I were to catch you doing this vile thing, i would beat you within an inch of your life - and THAT is what you would be saying "I'm sorry" for.
You have no right to take that which is not rightly yours, and no right to desecrate that which we hold most dear. Youre an utter idiot for thinking so
Me = eating a cracker outside of church, freely given to me by a priest
You = murder
Would you seriously want to be executed or put in prison for the rest of your life because you saw me eat a cracker outside of church. I suppose you could plead insanity.
@jazzx251 once again. the great atheist mind cannot grasp a SIMPLE CONCEPT. You are not the centre of the universe, what YOU think about catholicism is irrelevant to us. WE consider the eucharist to be most holy. WE give the eucharist only to CATHOLICS who are WORTHY. YOU advocate STEALING that which you dont RIGHTLY DESERVE.
The fact that your miniscule brain cant get thse simple realities into focus shows that you should be the one considered insane, or a thief or a hater or all of them.
Save it for the judge after you've murdered me for eating a wafer made of flour and water. [even if I sneaked into the church and took one - your response is extreme and disproportionate to the crime]
I think you'll find that he's not too impressed. You'd be given the maximum sentence.
On top of that, it would be all over the news - you would be yet another extreme example of how faith can turn someone into a murderer. The revulsion would turn more people into atheists.
@jazzx251 damn it, it's not a piece of jebus? i wanted to get it consecrated and then fuck it...hey if jesus is gay that means the catholics have to love gays right?
@havock89 also, I hold things like human rights, social justice, and my childrens' full and unedited education most sacred. And christianity has done a pretty good job of fucking with those over the years.
@mcneely2818 Irregardless of what i worship. The actions that are being advocated in this video is hateful andf bigoted. It is simply highly offensive, uncivilised, dangerous and extremely prejudiced.
I could give a rats ass what you think! Honestly! You are so far beneath my contempt, that you are completely off my radar.
But this video is wrong. It should be retracted and you guys should go get a hobby instead of insighting the violence of catholics.
@havock89 here we go. The video should be retracted you say. Lets just shit on people's rights to freedom of speech and retract the video, praise the fucking lord. "insighting the violence of catholics" sounds like a threat. Well, unfortunately, catholic threats don't carry as much clout as they did back in the day. These days, I just say you can cram it up your ass along with your jesus cracker.
@mcneely2818 There is nothing else to say to someone who has no civility in them. You simply want to advocate the destruction and desecration of that which we catholics love most. Its a despicable act. Its an act of utter hatred and bigotry, and I would not be suprised if one of your little cohorts does end up being attacked by a catholic if they become wise to your plan and manage to stop you leaving the church with that which you have stolen.
@havock89 Im an atheist, but I'll never do anything that would be so disrespectful to you. I do not understand your ways, but I respect them. Lets just leave each other alone then, like you already stated. But leaving each other alone also means getting rid of laws that forces the non religious to follow religious morals. And stop the "you are going to hell" routine. Cause that is just as disrespectful.
@Ranokian I thank you for you civility in not condoning the desecration of that which has value to us.
As to morals, christians need to learn to give their morals in an non-religious manner. We have a voice and must be heard. We have the right to try and influence society.
I have never understood the fear of hell. It is simply reality for me. its our natural end, and is as natural as the death of the body. Its not disrespectful to warn people they are in danger. You have to tolerate us.
@havock89 Well, asking for respect means that you also have to offer it. For me, the whole you are going to hell thing is just as disrespectful as mocking the desecration. It does not matter how you say it, nor does it matter how much you insist that it's just a warning, keep it to yourself and we'll get along just fine. What for me is just a biscuit, for you its holy. And what for you is a warning, for me its threat. You will never understand that, just as much as I'll never understand you.
@Ranokian Desecrating the eucharist is THEFT of that which we hold sacred. Its not comparable with not agreeing with what happens after you die. You can talk about the eucharist being a cracker as much as you want. Its disrespectful and personally i find it pathetic, but thats free speech. You dont get to muzzle my free speech under threat of THEFT. You have no right to STEAL ANYTHING let alone that which is most important for us. Its hateful and bigoted.
@havock89 I do not compare it. And I'm certainly not stealing anything. You can give the eucharist your meaning, and I'm not going to fight it. I'm just trying to appeal to your feeling. For me, freedom is just as important and holy as the eucharist is for you. Just to give the right impression of how important it is for me. And im not talking about disagreement about the afterlife, im talking about someone who is telling me its turn, or burn. And that is not respecting my borders.
@Ranokian My comments here have been against the hateful, vile bigoted individuals who are advocating that very thing.
I am not going to mollycoddle you. Your auricular borders vs my freespeech. You simpy have to tolerate us. Although you have my sympathies when it comes to putting up with fundamentalists. Those heretics can annoy anyone.
@MagicActor1987 Its for catholics alone, and you know it. The church has laws, and you are breaking them. You have no right to anything in the church. None. You are outside the box, and your desire to steal desecrate that which we hold most precious is clear proof of your vile, hatred, prejudice and bigotry.
@havock89 "None. You are outside the box, and your desire to steal desecrate that which we hold most precious is clear proof of your vile, hatred, prejudice and bigotry."
I think it's funny that a Christian is accusing others of hatred, prejudice, and bigotry since that makes up 2/3rds of your "holy book."
And no, it's clear proof that you feel a sense of entitlement--that other people must conform to YOUR laws because you think you're better than everyone else.
@MagicActor1987 Sorry, again you are so vague and twisted i cant make out what you are talking about. If you are talking about what catholicism teaches, you are obviously referring to "the catechism of the catholic church."
Its funny that you have absolutely no moral objective standard appart from what you consider "acceptable" and then have the audacity to accuse me of being hateful and prejudiced!
AT WHAT POINT did I say that others must conform to our laws? Utter liar.
@havock89 "AT WHAT POINT did I say that others must conform to our laws? Utter liar."
Need I remind you? I'll quote you:
"The church has laws, and you are breaking them."
Also, might I remind you that you were the first one to throw out insults, calling me vile, hateful, prejudiced, and bigoted merely because I said something willingly given was not theft. Truly the Christian way.
@MagicActor1987 You are completely dishonest. The eucharist is for catholics alone. It is freely given to people who are in right relationship with God. The priesthood is the guardian of that gift. You are well aware that you are stealing that which we revere. You lie, you cheat and you steal. That is vile, prejudiced and hateful of you.
Playing with words donesnt change what you are doing or advocating should be done in this video.
@MagicActor1987 Your entire attitude is that because you can get away with something without significant risk or effort there is nothing wrong with it. You are wrong. You are the basest form of intellect, taking that which you dont rightly deserve. I villify you because you are a villain, you steal that which we hold sacred, you do so to desecrate it on youtube, or at the very least you support those who do. The wafer you mention is sacred to us and you CANNOT respect that - you vile cretin.
@havock89 "Your entire attitude is that because you can get away with something without significant risk or effort there is nothing wrong with it."
No, I'm saying that since there's no breach of law nor force of any kind, there's nothing wrong with it. Just like how I would defend the KKK's right to march, though I don't support them.
"You are the basest form of intellect, taking that which you dont rightly deserve."
@havock89 "you steal that which we hold sacred, you do so to desecrate it on youtube, or [...] you support those who do."
So because I support people's freedoms to do things which do not break the law nor hurt anyone in any way other than "feelings," I'm a villain? Funny, I thought that was just being an adult.
"[It] is sacred to us and you CANNOT respect that - you vile cretin."
I can respect it. But I can also respect others. You don't get more protection just because you're religious.
@Ranokian As a devout Catholic lay minister, I can't agree with you more. Noone can judge the eternal salvation of another. Most people who say those things are not mainstream Christians though. Also, laws are public domain, so everyone is welcome and has the right to debate, support, or oppose a law with civility if it affects everybody as most laws do.
That stupid cracker has always been a source of trouble. Did you know that in France, walking on the "cracker" was the worst offense you could do, with killing the king? You would get wheel punishment becaust it was like stepping on the Christ himself.
In all civilized discourse, respect for others is the basis of all activity. Once you cross that line you dehumanize a group creating the potential for violence and war. Criticize beliefs all you want, but be consistent and pull an act like this on Muslims or Jews and verify for yourself what I'm saying is true. You're no different than a Westboro Baptist fundamentalist.
Who cares what you think? Who cares what I believe? This video represents the lowest form of cultural expression. An intelligent person doesn't recourse to ad hominem attacks and such coarse acts that only promote hatred and division. Attl
@rigo4jesus How is this an attack? That word has become so thrown around it's meaning isn't exactly clear anymore. I guess Fox is partly to blame for that. Also, how is hatred promoted? They're eating communion wafers. Isn't that what you're supposed to do with them? Why is it that believers get so up in arms when someone makes a negative comment about their beliefs? I don't get up in arms when one of you tells me I'm going to burn and choke and suffer in hell, do I?
@mcneely2818 First of all, I don't watch nor do I think thru a cable news filter. No, you're not supposed to take communion hosts from a church, mock the belief, and then consume irreverently on Youtube so anti-Catholics can get their kicks. Be honest, would you advocate doing something like this towards Jews or Muslims?
These videos aren't "comments" are they? They are real actions and hurtful words (attacks) aimed at ridiculing an entire group of people. What is your definition of bigotry?
@rigo4jesus I have actually participated in "draw muhammad day", does that count? I try not to discriminate when I do or say something derogatory toward religions. These aren't attacks, they're comments exercised under freedom of expression. You conservatives remember that, don't you? Freedom of speech? And call it what you will, but he is eating a cracker. Only that particular cracker may or may not have had magic words said to it by a priest.
@mcneely2818 Well, congrats on that. At least you're fair.
I'm not posing a legal argument, but a moral one. It is also legal for me to call you or your relatives ugly names at you, but that wouldn't be right, since I don't know you and you deserve respect. Respect is the last bastion of civility. Even so, this video isn't speech, its action.
Also, I'm not a conservative, I'm an independent moderate politically. Again, I think for myself without the help of cable news commentators!
@mcneely2818 First of all, I don't watch nor do I think thru a cable news filter. No, you're not supposed to take communion hosts from a church, mock the belief, and then consume irreverently on Youtube so anti-Catholics can get their kicks. Be honest, would you advocate doing something like this towards Jews or Muslims? These videos aren't "comments" are they? They are real actions and hurtful words (attacks) aimed at ridiculing an entire group of people. What is your definition of bigotry?
We need to get back to the time when the catholic church was able to burn someone at the stake at the mere hint of heresy. And a time when they could put someone (Galileo) under house arrest for mentioning that the earth wasn't the center of the earth. And could wipe out vast numbers of indigenous peoples who disbelieved in their gods. I'll keep my fingers crossed. ^_^
John 6:48-51 48I am that bread of life. 49Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. 51I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
@belladonna4577 Good for you. Once you start feeling embarrassed and ashamed over these silly beliefs, you know you've made it out. :) Tell it to rigo4jesus downthread.
These guys are simply working for Satan and they don't even know it! The funny thing is that they offer nothing in the was of hope and justice. To them we all die and wink out or existense anyway and this dumbass show is a way of making money! Big fat army reject who lost all his hair needs to complian about something to get laid! I can't take anyone seriously who looks just like Big Mac!
God is offended by receiving Him on "dirty" hands(ONLY priest can touch Him) in the Holy Eucharist!
Only accepted by Heaven form of receiving living Heart of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist of the Catholic Church is into our mouth and on our both knees!
I dont think it will be a problem if you are allergic to wheat because it's such a small ammount.
kar0x 1 month ago
When I was still a Catholic, I attended one service where they didn't use the cardboard wafer thing, but they used broken Ritz biscuits as their holy Jesus cracker instead. Honest! XD
The whole ritual is absolutely crazy. I mean, no matter how many incantations and magic holy words you say over the crackers and the wine, they're not going to ever turn into the literal body and blood of Jesus. If they did, it would be really gross, like, there would be blood and stuff everywhere lol
foojuice101 1 month ago
I was raised in the Greek Orthodox church. They used to use a goblet filled with wine and bits of bread (blood and body) for communion. Two for one deal. Everyone used the SAME SPOON to receive the communion. Luckily, the priest would wipe the spoon on a MAGICAL cleansing cloth between receivers. I was about 8 years old when I decided never to receive communion again.
R5d4d2 1 month ago 2
Anti-Catholicism has become the last acceptable prejudice in what passes for polite society. We have all heard comments about Catholics that if applied to almost any other group would simply not be tolerated. Freedom of speech YES ! But not when it's laced with hate and a call to action against what individuals find Sacred. Would you also write anti-Semitic comments on the walls of a Synagogue?
KidsMatterCanadaInc 2 months ago
@KidsMatterCanadaInc "AIDS is bad, but condoms are worse," was the battle cry of the pope to prevent condoms from going into Africa where they need it, simply because he was going to force his religion on them, and if they didn't convert to the Catholic view, then who cares if they die. There is nothing impolite about saying that Catholics are assholes when it results in the death of millions. The nerve. Don't cry, we say worse about the Muslims.
thelordmemnoch 1 month ago
@KidsMatterCanadaInc
No religion should be protected from scrutiny, especially when the beliefs are utterly ridiculous. I should know; I was Catholic for many years before I realized how downright horrible the beliefs in that religion were. In fact, all religious beliefs are ridiculous.
Being against the Catholic beliefs should be the right thing to think. Seriously, if you think that newborn babies are inherent sinners and deserve eternal hellfire, then something is clearly wrong with you.
foojuice101 1 month ago
3 Triscuits in every box are literally a piece of the body of Aslan.
3234718 2 months ago
I will pray for you the next time I receive OUR LORD in Holy Communion.
CreamSodaDrinker925 2 months ago
Actually in Mexico they make "Ostias" with nuts and caramel, quite tasty and 100% jesus free
solsticedj 3 months ago in playlist More videos from FFreeThinker
If you're allergic to the wheat, than you could drink the consecreted blood
both the Eurchrist and Blood has the body, blood soul and divinity of Jesus.
I'm sorry that you don't have eyes that see that.
noraneka 4 months ago
@noraneka They are just fucking crackers and wine and not bits of a 2000 year old dead guy.
I'm sorry that you don't have eyes that see that.
doctabaldhead 2 months ago in playlist The Atheist Experience
@doctabaldhead Jesus is the reason for the season. Merry Christmas and a happy New Year <3
noraneka 2 months ago
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Our Father, Who art in heaven
Hallowed be Thy Name;
Thy kingdom come,
Thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us;
and lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil. Amen.
noraneka 4 months ago
that's for the spanish inquisition, motherfuckers!
topperheartramada 5 months ago
If taking the cracker away from the altar is kidnapping, isn't eating it then cannibalism? Isn't Catholicism then institutionalized cannibalism? Isn't cannibalism illegal?
pipolwes000 6 months ago in playlist The Atheist Experience
@pipolwes000 no, cause you are eating the undead. they don't count.
topperheartramada 5 months ago
It is no scam. We know that Jesus is Lord and I am quite glad to support it. .
MRGV7373 6 months ago
@MRGV7373 you sound as persuasive as a dude from saudi arabia declaring with confidence he knows allah is real. and if someone had switched the two of you as babies, he'd be now defending christianity and you'd be declaring your certainty about islam. give me a break! you people believe whatever is popular in your part of the world, usually the same thing your parents believe. it's totally random. yet you always claim to 'know'. seriously, this is pathetic.
topperheartramada 5 months ago
@MRGV7373 jesus is not lord, and bread is not people.
leptismagna10 4 months ago
@leptismagna10 Very bright and intelligent of you. Have you looked and read the gospel of Luke? What does it say, how about John?? What does it say?? Read the Gospels and see what they say??
MRGV7373 4 months ago
@MRGV7373 have you read the "1001 arabian nights" canon? maybe you should do so before denying the existence of flying carpets and magic lamps.
Have i read the gospel of luke and john...hahahahahahahaha as if seeing it written will make me a believer. stupid christian.
yes i have read the bible. boring.
leptismagna10 4 months ago
@leptismagna10 Great so you critique something that you have never read, Stupid Person, At least I have read the documents and studied them. 1001 arabian nights is know to be fiction, John, Luke are know to be very good history. So why not read it and at least know what you don't believe. Your ignorant behavior just make you look stupid. Stupid is what stupid does. Read it and then think!!
MRGV7373 4 months ago
@MRGV7373 who said i didn't read the bible? i live in Egypt, christianity and the new testament were invented here by crazy jews!
"1001 arabian nights is know to be fiction" and all the sorcery, magic, gods and miracles in the bible is what...historical fact?
leptismagna10 4 months ago
@leptismagna10Jesus is Lord, and it his body, once it has been concescrated by the priest
elibeth121 2 months ago
@elibeth121 yes, and santa's on his way.
leptismagna10 2 months ago
@leptismagna10 It is the truth.
elibeth121 2 months ago
@elibeth121 its only the truth if you can prove it. you or any priest saying its true doesn't make it so. nobody has any "magical" powers that can turn cookies into god.
you can IMAGINE it happening, and your religious brainwashing makes you think you've "experienced something", maybe Jesus or maybe acid reflux.
leptismagna10 2 months ago
@leptismagna10 What we believe is important, but even more important is the One in whom we believe. I would not believe if I did not realize that it is reasonable to believe.
elibeth121 2 months ago
@leptismagna10 on the night he was handed over, took bread, and, after he had given thanks, broke it and said, "This is my body that is for you. Do this in remembrance of me." In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me." For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the death of the Lord until he comes. Yes wow that is certainly "magical" idiot. Remembering oohhh
elibeth121 2 months ago
@elibeth121 great. now ask your priest can turn the cookie into the body of superman. Can he do that? I believe it can be done.
Superman said "eat from my body that you shall remember all the times I have saved Metropolis from Lex Luthor".
How come you believe in your catholic crap...but NOT ANY OTHER CRAP?
leptismagna10 2 months ago
@elibeth121 or who knows, maybe you do believe in all kinds of crap! Why not eh?
leptismagna10 2 months ago
The blood and body of Christ is the remembrance of Jesus death on the Cross. If wants to desecrate the host, cracker, bread. Why would anyone offend some one by doing this. All person should act with care and not be offensive. Why bate people? To prove you are special? To be a pain?? Just leave them alone and go about your life. If you don't believe in Jesus, fine. But they don't come to your meetings and wave God around, do they?? Grow up and be responsible. Golden rule.
MRGV7373 6 months ago
@MRGV7373 A small point, but as Jesus made the link between his body to bread and blood to wine at the Last Supper, it actually has nothing to do with remembering his death on the cross, but instead his claim that partaking of it is needed to gain ever lasting life.
That being said, I agree with you that the hosts' of the show are basically being asses just to troll Catholicism, and it really does make them look very immature.
note4note 4 months ago
@note4note No one has to partake of the body and blood physically, since belief in Jesus is the key to ever last life. The wine and bread represent Jesus body and blood by belief. To take it literally is would be cannibalism and not valid in Judaism.
MRGV7373 4 months ago
@MRGV7373 Of course it would not be valid in Judaism, considering Judaism considers nothing from the New Testament. If it is not meant to be literal, then how else do you interpret John 6:48-66? Either he means his words literally which explains the disgust of his followers, or he intentionally mislead them and choose not to correct their understanding, thus tricking them into no longer following his word.
note4note 4 months ago
@note4note Jesus says many things that if taken literally would be a big mistake. No one ever eat Jesus body and blood, it is never recorded. So Jesus was taking in figures of speech, To eat and drink Jesus is to believe in Him, See earlier in John Chp 6. Work of God is to Believe in Jesus, not drink or eat His body. Look it up. The Jews took him literally and they got all out of joint. Look what Peter says, You have the works of Life. Belief is words is the key to Jesus. Not canable
MRGV7373 4 months ago
@MRGV7373 Perhaps I should clarify. I never argued that Jesus said to literally kill and eat him, only that he made the literal point of needing to eat of the bread that IS his body and drink the wine that IS his blood in order to have eternal life. He's pretty clear about that in the verses I referenced earlier, unless you think he was just tricking people. It's not even a parable or metaphor, because he doesn't equate the act to anything beyond what he says it is.
note4note 4 months ago
@note4note Yes, Christian that follow Jesus word will take the bread and wine and remember that Jesus died for them and believe in Him as their Lord and Savior. They will be saved by doing both.
MRGV7373 4 months ago
"That was a toenail.." LOL
thats gotta piss off the religious nuts..
aegisgfx 6 months ago
Anything against the Catholic false beliefs has my suupport.
ProtestantsRUs 7 months ago 5
@ProtestantsRUs Missing the point 101.
1stCainite 6 months ago
@ProtestantsRUs Your fairy tale is better than theirs? Nice.
Alphacaliber 4 months ago
@ProtestantsRUs Your beliefs are equally absurd as catholic beliefs. Another sect of the same cult.
VesusSheist 2 months ago
Jesus in the Eucharist is as real as you and me. The clergy boink children only symbolically.
oldpiq 7 months ago
@oldpiq There's a Zeta in my vagina and I can't get it out.
LokiClock 6 months ago
Restrain him? I would have burnt him at the stake right in the middle of the Church for heresy.
skip8619 7 months ago
"If you wake up tomorrow morning thinking that saying a few Latin words over your pancakes is going to turn them into the body of Elvis Presley, you have lost your mind. But if you think more or less the same thing about a cracker and the body of Jesus, you’re just a Catholic.” - Sam Harris
rgtrab 7 months ago 18
Matt makes me laugh. err that was a toenail! .. mmm that was a rib. i love ribs! haha
theUKatheist 7 months ago
Betcha can't eat just one!
ONQproductions 7 months ago
first of all I find this video extremely distasteful, for many reasons. Second, it truly is Jesus present in the Eucharist, there have been miracles that have proven this. Dont believe me? no suprise, but look up the miracle of Lanciano, Italy that was scientifically studied and concluded that it was living human heart tissue and blood (1300 years after it happened) The group studying this miracle had no Catholics involved and they could not explain how it was possible using science.
eatitjusteatit 7 months ago
@eatitjusteatit The Lanciano "miracle" researched only confirmed the existence of human flesh and blood in a reliquary. This doesn't prove that the flesh & blood were originally a Eucharist that was transformed, only that they exist.
A UFO researcher might be able to prove that the ground around a "landing site" has been burned, but that doesn't prove it was a spaceship: It only proves that something burned the ground. Same here: No proof of a miracle, only proof of flesh & blood existing.
paxpaul 7 months ago
@paxpaul Actually the research confirmed the existance of LIVING human heart tissue and freshly shed blood, something that would have been impossible to fake during the year and 1/2 they were researching it, let alone 1300 years that it has existed. We do not look to science to show it was a host at one point, instead we look to history and history suggests it was.
The UFO argument is a red herring and I will not be addressing it further.
eatitjusteatit 7 months ago
@eatitjusteatit The research did NOT confirm living tissue, only that it was human tissue & blood (with the same blood type). It was NOT living tissue anymore, just well preserved. My UFO comment was neither an argument nor a red herring: It was an example showing that just because evidence exists doesn't prove the SOURCE of the evidence (burn marks/UFO, flesh&blood/eucharist). History doesn't suggest your conclusion at all. The likelier answer is a 1300-year-old hoax using real flesh & blood.
paxpaul 7 months ago
@eatitjusteatit Also, Dr. Linoli tried to use the Shroud of Turin as supporting evidence because the same AB blood type was found on the Shroud. Well, the Shroud was created in the 13th or 14th century, so it's already proven NOT to be Christ's shroud, so using this matching blood type doesn't help Linoli's case. Nor does his claim that the "Higher Council" of the WHO backed his findings, since there's no evidence of a "Higher Council" existing. (Unless you have the evidence--I can't find it.)
paxpaul 7 months ago
It's absolutly AMAZING to me that someone can believe they're eating part of their god & drinking his blood...
How fucking stupid & disgusting.
Zentz29 8 months ago
The Catholic Church gets attacked by a panoply of groups: Satanists, Islamists, Humanists, Secularists, Fundamentalists, Communists and the Atheists. Seems the whole world attacks them yet they are still here after 2000 years. Will the silly quips besmirching things held sacred last that long? My guess is 5 minutes or less.
monkigun 8 months ago
@monkigun Technically, atheism has been around much much longer than the Catholic Church. But the whole thing is just a silly argument from authority anyway.
iridescentsquids 8 months ago
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Christianity particularly Catholicism is disgusting. I was catholic. why is it disgusting? Because it encourages cannibalism. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out when you have a sadistic god killing people left and right throughout the old testament.
FallofDarkness55 8 months ago
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FallofDarkness55 8 months ago
I find this really offensive and hurtful. What ever happend to respect? Why couldnt you respect our beliefs, our faith, and our lifestyle? And of you dont believe in any divine being why should you even care what we do in our rituals?
HailMary53 8 months ago
@HailMary53 I can understand why you find it offensive. But it is the nature of this show to look skeptically at all faith-based beliefs. Usually they focus on those faith-based beliefs that do harm, but they also look at beliefs (like this one) that appear prominently in the news and look particularly absurd to outsiders. Mormon magic underwear, Scientology "stress tests" are a couple other faith-based beliefs that in and of themselves don't do harm, but certainly look absurd to outsiders.
iridescentsquids 8 months ago
@iridescentsquids I respect their right to skeptism, because questions is how one can expand their understanding. But this is very different from mormon underwear, the eucharist is the center of our church and lifestyle. We don't expect you to understand that but we expect you to respect that. To me to threaten to take the eucharist from a church only to desecrate is just the same as burning the church down. Because that supposed "waffer" is the center of the entire church
HailMary53 8 months ago
@HailMary53 Again, I understand why it's offensive to you, even if I don't share the feeling.
I still find his point, however crudely put, valid. Looking from the outside, the fact that the church as a whole (or at least Catholic church authority) goes out of it's way to place value on these objects looks oddly trivial when compared to it's serious internal problems of protecting illegal sex activity and, in the case of Aids in Africa, spreading some serious lies. It's a comparative point.
iridescentsquids 8 months ago
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I think there is some value in attempting to debunk authorities that assume an unjustified moral high ground. In short: The Catholic religion is both a personal belief deserving the same respect and rights as any other belief, and a political entity actively involved in social/political issues and not always behaving honestly. I believe the wafer thing is motivated by a desire to strip the political entity of its unjustified "sacred" authority over other people.
iridescentsquids 8 months ago
@HailMary53 People care about your beliefs because they are being imposed on everyone. When religions stop trying to force their way into politics, education, person lives etc I will stop caring about them.
The problem is that they will never stop.
I have no problem with any person's religion until they try to tell what I can & cannot do.
Zentz29 8 months ago
@Zentz29 Its a two way road if politics, education, and peoples lives were not interferring with religion i think that religion will stop interfering with them. This video is an example of how nonreligious are interfering with religious. Like abortion, that offends our belief in the sanctity of life. Divorce, that offends our belief in the sanctity of the family. Eucharistic desecration(although unconsecrated) damages our entire church and its foundation.
HailMary53 7 months ago
@HailMary53 You're just wrong.
Simply speaking against religion is not the same as trying to FORCE personal beliefs on others.
Take abortion for example. I can't stand the idea of it, but I'm not trying to make it illegal because I don't like it. Religious people are.
Exercising free speach is NOT the same as trying to force people to live by your personal standards. Divorce is a choice. If you think you have the right to tell someone they're not allowed to do it, you're IMPOSING YOUR BELIEFS...
Zentz29 7 months ago
don't talk with the mouth full of jesus!
egovir321 8 months ago
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How many do you need to eat before you've eaten a whole Jesus?
Digimike81 8 months ago
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Digimike81 8 months ago
143 Communion hosts are missing from the Jesus plate...
MercuryRis 8 months ago
I'm a recent atheist as a result of watching these videos. I was originally catholic. Catholicism is a load of BS. In fact some priest in the 80's or 90's in my local area was a pedophile. This church scandal and their bigotry disgusts me!!!!!
FallofDarkness55 8 months ago
The wafer that went with the cheese was deffo the bell end of Jesus for obvious reasons.
Zed1967 9 months ago
And now havock's blocked me from one of his videos because he wants to keep spewing bigoted and prejudiced views of the world without anyone disagreeing. Anyone notice that it's usually the religious who feel the need to moderate all comments, disable comments, or block users solely for disagreeing? Kinda tells you a lot about the mindset, doesn't it?
MagicActor1987 9 months ago
Donahue is the biggest maggot there is. This sleazy fuckblob will do and say ANYTHING for his church, even breaking the law.
TheCaptainLulz 9 months ago
People of religion certainly have no problem trying to deny rights to homosexuals or trying to keep women from having autonomy over their own bodies, so why should anyone care if an inanimate object such as a cracker is desecrated? If religious people can't respect the rights of people outside of their religion, then why should anyone outside of their religion have respect for their religious practices?
underdawg47 9 months ago
Who said Christians weren't as crazy as the Muslims when it came to drawing a picture of Mohammed. Here is a good example.
underdawg47 9 months ago
If a priest consecrates a person does that person become Jesus?
technopagan724 9 months ago
If stealing the cracker is "kidnapping", then isn't eating it "cannibalism"?
greenjelly01 9 months ago
me at the catholic church
priest: here is your wafer
me: thanks faggot! *runs out of church*
SUCKERS!
bunchofdaisies 9 months ago
Christanity is so lame. At least my Christ embodies himself symbolically in Triscuits, actually tasty crackers.
CntrBrdr 9 months ago
Man here I was thinking Jesus would go good with salsa ( the burning hot kind )
mothercookie 9 months ago
These guys are totally pathetic and bigoted.
havock89 9 months ago
@havock89 which guys?
mcneely2818 9 months ago
@mcneely2818 The guys on the video. They are sick and twisted individuals. They claim to be descent people but they want to desecrate that which others hold to be the most holy, in the world.
havock89 9 months ago
@havock89 So because they don't buy the business with the cracker, they are sick and twisted? It's a cracker!
A lot of people find freedom of choice about abortion and proper contraceptive education, to be invaluable. Both issued are or have been (not entirely sure on the current situation) opposed by the catholic church. By your logic the catholic church is sick and twisted, which I won't argue with.
ViewtifulZeke 9 months ago
@havock89 if i told you i could turn a cucumber into the true substance of gumby, but it still looks, smells, tastes, and basically is still a cucumber, would you call me silly? I sure would.
mcneely2818 9 months ago
@mcneely2818 That is not what is being discussed here. organising the desecration of the eucharist is sick and bigoted. I call atheists silly because they think they can suffice as their own tin-pot god, but i dont kidnap your children and deficate on them.
These idiots should be ashamed of themselves.
havock89 9 months ago
@havock89 your comparing these crackers to children? You're fucking psychotic. IT'S A DAMN CRACKER!!!
mcneely2818 9 months ago
@mcneely2818 Try and get it through your THICK skull. Let us be psychotic. Its our psychosis, and its NONE of your business what happens in the mass. You are not interested in what catholicism teaches. You are happy being your own little tin-pot-god, and I am happy to let you. So there is no reason for you to invade our private services and steal that which we hold most sacred. Be it a the HOLY EUCHARIST of the altar or a golden chalice, or a crucifix. Your evaluation of a thing is irrelevant.
havock89 9 months ago
@havock89 tin-pot-god, I've never heard that one. Did you coin that phrase, or did you cop it? Also, what does it mean?
mcneely2818 9 months ago
@havock89 Actually it is the business of EVERYBODY. Your irrational and ANNOYING beliefs slow the progress of human kind and also affects the world in economic ways.... useless
alo754 8 months ago
@alo754 That is utter rubbish. You have NO right to take that which you do not rightly deserve. The fact that you are annoyed by the beliefs of christianity is your failing and I could not give a damn about it. You advocate people stealing and being hateful towards others because of no other reason than your own bigotry. You are exposed.
It is your irrational beliefs that slow the progress of human kind and your kinds mentality that has destroyed the western worlds economy.
havock89 8 months ago
@havock89 Haha! That is the most redicilous arguement i've ever heard. He makes it clear not to disrupt the mass.
Under what law is it illegal to walk into a church, receive a gift, and then walk out? It is not stealing anything, because the church is not really supposed to take payment! Read the book.
What he is advocating, is to show the irrational belief that a cracker that doesn't taste anything, is a piece of christs body.
If anything, it's the closed mind of religion that slows progress!
ShadeOnTheUtube 8 months ago
@ShadeOnTheUtube So what you are saying is that if you can steal that which does not rightly belong to you, and do it without anyone realising, its not theft?
What he is advocating is the desecration of that which we hold most dear in life. It may be insane to you, but I dont give a rats-ass what you consider to be important.
Its the singular and productive dirve of christinaity that MADE the western world what it is, and secular humanism has all but destroyed it. Good job!
havock89 8 months ago
@havock89 Did i say steal? The church freely hands out those in their mass. You are expected to eat them, but i am very certain there is no law forcing you to eat them.
If you hold a piece of wheat and water mixture so highly, i would like to point you to your family and multicultural neighboors.
I would beg to differ, It was secular thinking that made the world what it is today. If we had continued to follow religious dogma, you would have to remove every single scientific breakthrough.
ShadeOnTheUtube 8 months ago
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@ShadeOnTheUtube Its for catholics alone, and you know it. The church has laws, and you are breaking them. You have no right to ANYTHING in the church. NONE. You are outside the box, and your desire to steal desecrate that which we hold most precious is clear proof of your vile, hatred, prejudice and bigotry.
havock89 8 months ago
@havock89
I'm sorry - but the cracker is NOT a piece of Jesus once it's consecrated.
In one week, in one country, enough crackers are eaten to make up a complete Jesus.
So this guy has been eaten millions of times over.
How do you know you're eating a piece of the real Jesus, and not some cheap imitation?
The odds of you eating a piece of the real Jesus must be well over a billion to one.
Those are the same odds for any cracker being desecrated.
You can only desecrate the real Jesus.
jazzx251 7 months ago
@jazzx251 Your opinion on what catholics value has absolutely NO VALUE at all. Your opinion on how God can turn the substance of a thing in to his body and blood is of absolutely NO VALUE at all.
If I were to catch you doing this vile thing, i would beat you within an inch of your life - and THAT is what you would be saying "I'm sorry" for.
You have no right to take that which is not rightly yours, and no right to desecrate that which we hold most dear. Youre an utter idiot for thinking so
havock89 7 months ago
@havock89
Me = eating a cracker outside of church, freely given to me by a priest
You = murder
Would you seriously want to be executed or put in prison for the rest of your life because you saw me eat a cracker outside of church. I suppose you could plead insanity.
jazzx251 7 months ago
@jazzx251 once again. the great atheist mind cannot grasp a SIMPLE CONCEPT. You are not the centre of the universe, what YOU think about catholicism is irrelevant to us. WE consider the eucharist to be most holy. WE give the eucharist only to CATHOLICS who are WORTHY. YOU advocate STEALING that which you dont RIGHTLY DESERVE.
The fact that your miniscule brain cant get thse simple realities into focus shows that you should be the one considered insane, or a thief or a hater or all of them.
havock89 7 months ago
@havock89
Save it for the judge after you've murdered me for eating a wafer made of flour and water. [even if I sneaked into the church and took one - your response is extreme and disproportionate to the crime]
I think you'll find that he's not too impressed. You'd be given the maximum sentence.
On top of that, it would be all over the news - you would be yet another extreme example of how faith can turn someone into a murderer. The revulsion would turn more people into atheists.
jazzx251 7 months ago
@jazzx251 damn it, it's not a piece of jebus? i wanted to get it consecrated and then fuck it...hey if jesus is gay that means the catholics have to love gays right?
bokprop420 7 months ago
@havock89 also, I hold things like human rights, social justice, and my childrens' full and unedited education most sacred. And christianity has done a pretty good job of fucking with those over the years.
mcneely2818 9 months ago
@mcneely2818 irregardless of the idiotic statements you have made, two wrongs dont make a right. Bigotry is being expressed here.
havock89 9 months ago
@havock89 you're using idiotic in a relative sense. I find the belief in these magic crackers to be idiotic. pOtato, potAto.
mcneely2818 9 months ago
@mcneely2818 You obviously missed the thrust of the comment. Add stupidity to the list.
havock89 9 months ago
@havock89 says the guy who worships a ritz.
mcneely2818 9 months ago
@mcneely2818 Irregardless of what i worship. The actions that are being advocated in this video is hateful andf bigoted. It is simply highly offensive, uncivilised, dangerous and extremely prejudiced.
I could give a rats ass what you think! Honestly! You are so far beneath my contempt, that you are completely off my radar.
But this video is wrong. It should be retracted and you guys should go get a hobby instead of insighting the violence of catholics.
havock89 9 months ago
@havock89 here we go. The video should be retracted you say. Lets just shit on people's rights to freedom of speech and retract the video, praise the fucking lord. "insighting the violence of catholics" sounds like a threat. Well, unfortunately, catholic threats don't carry as much clout as they did back in the day. These days, I just say you can cram it up your ass along with your jesus cracker.
mcneely2818 9 months ago
@mcneely2818 Man what a complete douche.
havock89 9 months ago
@havock89 says the guy with nothing else to say.
mcneely2818 9 months ago
@mcneely2818 There is nothing else to say to someone who has no civility in them. You simply want to advocate the destruction and desecration of that which we catholics love most. Its a despicable act. Its an act of utter hatred and bigotry, and I would not be suprised if one of your little cohorts does end up being attacked by a catholic if they become wise to your plan and manage to stop you leaving the church with that which you have stolen.
So much for atheistic morality.
havock89 9 months ago
@havock89 Im an atheist, but I'll never do anything that would be so disrespectful to you. I do not understand your ways, but I respect them. Lets just leave each other alone then, like you already stated. But leaving each other alone also means getting rid of laws that forces the non religious to follow religious morals. And stop the "you are going to hell" routine. Cause that is just as disrespectful.
Ranokian 9 months ago
@Ranokian I thank you for you civility in not condoning the desecration of that which has value to us.
As to morals, christians need to learn to give their morals in an non-religious manner. We have a voice and must be heard. We have the right to try and influence society.
I have never understood the fear of hell. It is simply reality for me. its our natural end, and is as natural as the death of the body. Its not disrespectful to warn people they are in danger. You have to tolerate us.
havock89 9 months ago
@havock89 Well, asking for respect means that you also have to offer it. For me, the whole you are going to hell thing is just as disrespectful as mocking the desecration. It does not matter how you say it, nor does it matter how much you insist that it's just a warning, keep it to yourself and we'll get along just fine. What for me is just a biscuit, for you its holy. And what for you is a warning, for me its threat. You will never understand that, just as much as I'll never understand you.
Ranokian 9 months ago
@Ranokian Desecrating the eucharist is THEFT of that which we hold sacred. Its not comparable with not agreeing with what happens after you die. You can talk about the eucharist being a cracker as much as you want. Its disrespectful and personally i find it pathetic, but thats free speech. You dont get to muzzle my free speech under threat of THEFT. You have no right to STEAL ANYTHING let alone that which is most important for us. Its hateful and bigoted.
havock89 9 months ago
@havock89 I do not compare it. And I'm certainly not stealing anything. You can give the eucharist your meaning, and I'm not going to fight it. I'm just trying to appeal to your feeling. For me, freedom is just as important and holy as the eucharist is for you. Just to give the right impression of how important it is for me. And im not talking about disagreement about the afterlife, im talking about someone who is telling me its turn, or burn. And that is not respecting my borders.
Ranokian 9 months ago
@Ranokian My comments here have been against the hateful, vile bigoted individuals who are advocating that very thing.
I am not going to mollycoddle you. Your auricular borders vs my freespeech. You simpy have to tolerate us. Although you have my sympathies when it comes to putting up with fundamentalists. Those heretics can annoy anyone.
havock89 9 months ago
@havock89 "You have no right to STEAL ANYTHING let alone that which is most important for us."
If the cracker is willingly given to someone, how is it theft?
And if it's now that person's property, don't they have the right to do with it as they please as long as it doesn't break any laws?
MagicActor1987 9 months ago
@MagicActor1987 Its for catholics alone, and you know it. The church has laws, and you are breaking them. You have no right to anything in the church. None. You are outside the box, and your desire to steal desecrate that which we hold most precious is clear proof of your vile, hatred, prejudice and bigotry.
havock89 9 months ago
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@havock89 "Its for catholics alone, and you know it."
Wait wait wait...now you're saying that no other denomination has a Eucharist?
"The church has laws, and you are breaking them."
Luckily, the state ALSO has laws, and church laws mean jack squat. Also, church laws do NOT extend to non-believers.
"You have no right to anything in the church. "
If they're given to me, of course I do.
MagicActor1987 9 months ago
@havock89 "None. You are outside the box, and your desire to steal desecrate that which we hold most precious is clear proof of your vile, hatred, prejudice and bigotry."
I think it's funny that a Christian is accusing others of hatred, prejudice, and bigotry since that makes up 2/3rds of your "holy book."
And no, it's clear proof that you feel a sense of entitlement--that other people must conform to YOUR laws because you think you're better than everyone else.
MagicActor1987 9 months ago
@MagicActor1987 Sorry, again you are so vague and twisted i cant make out what you are talking about. If you are talking about what catholicism teaches, you are obviously referring to "the catechism of the catholic church."
Its funny that you have absolutely no moral objective standard appart from what you consider "acceptable" and then have the audacity to accuse me of being hateful and prejudiced!
AT WHAT POINT did I say that others must conform to our laws? Utter liar.
havock89 9 months ago
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@havock89 "i cant make out what you are talking about"
Then open your eyes.
"If you are talking about what catholicism teaches"
I'm referring purely to the Bible.
"Its funny that you have absolutely no moral objective standard"
You're right. And yet I preach better morals than the Bible. Funny, that.
"the audacity to accuse me of being hateful and prejudiced!"
Actually, I said your book was, but that's a small difference.
MagicActor1987 9 months ago
@havock89 "AT WHAT POINT did I say that others must conform to our laws? Utter liar."
Need I remind you? I'll quote you:
"The church has laws, and you are breaking them."
Also, might I remind you that you were the first one to throw out insults, calling me vile, hateful, prejudiced, and bigoted merely because I said something willingly given was not theft. Truly the Christian way.
MagicActor1987 9 months ago
@MagicActor1987 You are completely dishonest. The eucharist is for catholics alone. It is freely given to people who are in right relationship with God. The priesthood is the guardian of that gift. You are well aware that you are stealing that which we revere. You lie, you cheat and you steal. That is vile, prejudiced and hateful of you.
Playing with words donesnt change what you are doing or advocating should be done in this video.
havock89 9 months ago
@havock89 "You lie, you cheat and you steal"
Actually, I don't. But it's clear you want to vilify anyone who disagrees with you.
All I've said is that I don't see the problem with acquiring a wafer and not disrupting services.
"The priesthood is the guardian of that gift."
Then they're not very good at it, are they? You'd think God would let them know about the fakes.
Besides, if you have a problem with the actions, take it up with God, because he's the one who planned it all out, remember?
MagicActor1987 9 months ago
@MagicActor1987 Your entire attitude is that because you can get away with something without significant risk or effort there is nothing wrong with it. You are wrong. You are the basest form of intellect, taking that which you dont rightly deserve. I villify you because you are a villain, you steal that which we hold sacred, you do so to desecrate it on youtube, or at the very least you support those who do. The wafer you mention is sacred to us and you CANNOT respect that - you vile cretin.
havock89 9 months ago
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@havock89 "Your entire attitude is that because you can get away with something without significant risk or effort there is nothing wrong with it."
No, I'm saying that since there's no breach of law nor force of any kind, there's nothing wrong with it. Just like how I would defend the KKK's right to march, though I don't support them.
"You are the basest form of intellect, taking that which you dont rightly deserve."
And what did I take, exactly?
MagicActor1987 9 months ago
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@havock89 "you steal that which we hold sacred, you do so to desecrate it on youtube, or [...] you support those who do."
So because I support people's freedoms to do things which do not break the law nor hurt anyone in any way other than "feelings," I'm a villain? Funny, I thought that was just being an adult.
"[It] is sacred to us and you CANNOT respect that - you vile cretin."
I can respect it. But I can also respect others. You don't get more protection just because you're religious.
MagicActor1987 9 months ago
@Ranokian As a devout Catholic lay minister, I can't agree with you more. Noone can judge the eternal salvation of another. Most people who say those things are not mainstream Christians though. Also, laws are public domain, so everyone is welcome and has the right to debate, support, or oppose a law with civility if it affects everybody as most laws do.
rigo4jesus 9 months ago
@rigo4jesus Agreed. I want that laws that support the ways of both sides. It shouldn't be that hard.
Ranokian 9 months ago
@havock89 You are operating with an extremely immature and retarded brain.
holio84 9 months ago
That stupid cracker has always been a source of trouble. Did you know that in France, walking on the "cracker" was the worst offense you could do, with killing the king? You would get wheel punishment becaust it was like stepping on the Christ himself.
Some people take religion way too seriously.
ivanlagrossemoule 10 months ago
08:09 yes it is. You have to score lower then 100 to pass.
gulbirk 10 months ago
@gulbirk i laughed.
goodguymike 9 months ago
"I consecrate thee! All of you!" I lol'd
rocklobter 10 months ago
maybe he wants to enjoy jesus at a latter time? also its a DAMN cracker!
technosasquatch 10 months ago
In all civilized discourse, respect for others is the basis of all activity. Once you cross that line you dehumanize a group creating the potential for violence and war. Criticize beliefs all you want, but be consistent and pull an act like this on Muslims or Jews and verify for yourself what I'm saying is true. You're no different than a Westboro Baptist fundamentalist.
rigo4jesus 10 months ago
Who cares what you think? Who cares what I believe? This video represents the lowest form of cultural expression. An intelligent person doesn't recourse to ad hominem attacks and such coarse acts that only promote hatred and division. Attl
rigo4jesus 10 months ago
@rigo4jesus How is this an attack? That word has become so thrown around it's meaning isn't exactly clear anymore. I guess Fox is partly to blame for that. Also, how is hatred promoted? They're eating communion wafers. Isn't that what you're supposed to do with them? Why is it that believers get so up in arms when someone makes a negative comment about their beliefs? I don't get up in arms when one of you tells me I'm going to burn and choke and suffer in hell, do I?
mcneely2818 10 months ago
@mcneely2818 First of all, I don't watch nor do I think thru a cable news filter. No, you're not supposed to take communion hosts from a church, mock the belief, and then consume irreverently on Youtube so anti-Catholics can get their kicks. Be honest, would you advocate doing something like this towards Jews or Muslims?
These videos aren't "comments" are they? They are real actions and hurtful words (attacks) aimed at ridiculing an entire group of people. What is your definition of bigotry?
rigo4jesus 9 months ago
@rigo4jesus I have actually participated in "draw muhammad day", does that count? I try not to discriminate when I do or say something derogatory toward religions. These aren't attacks, they're comments exercised under freedom of expression. You conservatives remember that, don't you? Freedom of speech? And call it what you will, but he is eating a cracker. Only that particular cracker may or may not have had magic words said to it by a priest.
mcneely2818 9 months ago
@mcneely2818 Well, congrats on that. At least you're fair.
I'm not posing a legal argument, but a moral one. It is also legal for me to call you or your relatives ugly names at you, but that wouldn't be right, since I don't know you and you deserve respect. Respect is the last bastion of civility. Even so, this video isn't speech, its action.
Also, I'm not a conservative, I'm an independent moderate politically. Again, I think for myself without the help of cable news commentators!
Peace!
rigo4jesus 9 months ago
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@mcneely2818 First of all, I don't watch nor do I think thru a cable news filter. No, you're not supposed to take communion hosts from a church, mock the belief, and then consume irreverently on Youtube so anti-Catholics can get their kicks. Be honest, would you advocate doing something like this towards Jews or Muslims? These videos aren't "comments" are they? They are real actions and hurtful words (attacks) aimed at ridiculing an entire group of people. What is your definition of bigotry?
rigo4jesus 9 months ago
Embarassing bigotry
rigo4jesus 10 months ago
@rigo4jesus If you believe in transubstantiation, you SHOULD be embarrassed.
The Internet: Embarrassing religion into oblivion.
AtheistinFundyLand 10 months ago
I can't believe I've never seen this one! Damn that was funny as shit!!!!
skywize 10 months ago
We need to get back to the time when the catholic church was able to burn someone at the stake at the mere hint of heresy. And a time when they could put someone (Galileo) under house arrest for mentioning that the earth wasn't the center of the earth. And could wipe out vast numbers of indigenous peoples who disbelieved in their gods. I'll keep my fingers crossed. ^_^
MrBrent123t 10 months ago
@MrBrent123t Wait....I doubt very seriously that you will have to do so for very long...
skywize 10 months ago
@skywize Yeah, in some parts of the world, its already like that.
MrBrent123t 10 months ago
John 6:48-51 48I am that bread of life. 49Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. 51I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
EvelinaYlaine 11 months ago
I want to go to a catholic church so bad
iliveon 11 months ago 5
wtf...hearing all this actually makes me feel ashamed to think i was once a catholic.
belladonna4577 11 months ago 17
@belladonna4577 Good for you. Once you start feeling embarrassed and ashamed over these silly beliefs, you know you've made it out. :) Tell it to rigo4jesus downthread.
AtheistinFundyLand 10 months ago
@belladonna4577 same here. Catholicism is absurd!
FallofDarkness55 8 months ago
These guys are simply working for Satan and they don't even know it! The funny thing is that they offer nothing in the was of hope and justice. To them we all die and wink out or existense anyway and this dumbass show is a way of making money! Big fat army reject who lost all his hair needs to complian about something to get laid! I can't take anyone seriously who looks just like Big Mac!
BloodOfRayne 11 months ago
Lesson. Never upset the crazy blood cult sacrifice ritual of child rapists. They are offended. pay them immediately.
699backstab 11 months ago
God is offended by receiving Him on "dirty" hands(ONLY priest can touch Him) in the Holy Eucharist!
Only accepted by Heaven form of receiving living Heart of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist of the Catholic Church is into our mouth and on our both knees!
God bless you and be brave
John 6:66 / read and be honest
JezusSlave 11 months ago
Someone get a cracker and then shove it up your arse in front of the clergy and congregation. :)
OrthodoxDarwinist 11 months ago
May God have mercy on you.
sail1993 11 months ago