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  • In end the dog buys the power of the State and as long as there is a State we are all up for sale to the highest biding dog.

  • what a capitalist dog...

  • Thanks very much for the subtitles ! It's always interesting to see the cultural references and conceptions of the other side of the Cold War

  • To all those people who insult the Sovjets, and keep mentioning Gulags, please remember that in the USA are also FEMA camps.

  • 8:59 says it all!

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  • So basically this cartoon is the Pro-Communist version of "Animal Farm"... Yeah, that makes sense.

  • @AlbinoTanuki so you think "animal farm" is not pro-communist?

  • We want to again.

    We live within 20 years of capitalism and we do not like.

    We do not want to war. We want to live and work and raise our children.

    We do not want to create money power. We do not want to create money honor and respect for cheaters and thieves. We do not want the money to turn people into dogs. We do not want to bite human larynx to get the money.

    But we know now how it happens. We live in capitalism for 20 years. And we do not like it here. We want to try again.

  • I'd rather leave the money to that bulldog than give it to the state.She cared about her dog ! Who the fuck cares about the state and the politicos who will stuff her money in their pockets? Throwing a few crumbs to the stupid dumb down masses.

  • Now that's MY dream life! Didn't know we had such a good advertisement for america((

  • the makes me think about 50cent and his rapperfriends

  • Google 911GATE.

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  • The cartoon watched me

  • I don't really care about capitalism and communism, but I find these cartoons simply magical =3 Besides all the propaganda, Russians made some amazing cartoons using their rich folklore and fairytales. Gotta love Baba Yaga! xD

  • Money makes the police salute a dog, lets a dog join exclusive clubs, makes a dog become senator and makes the high society dance "the dog". The other way round it would work with a pig, a monkey... or a human being. The cartoon shows the common misconception that the system was run by money for men. It`s running by men for money, and ,as a final end, for the creature who owns it. SMGJohn s right, how can it be propaganda if its true?

  • Communism sucks, but so does pure capitalism. The government should own things in the economy which shouldn't be run for profit (for palpable reasons), such as schools, the police force, et cetera. To much regulation screws up the system, but not enough and you have the corporations screwing the rest of the country; a mixed economy and a fine balance should be the paradigm.

  • @ANTHATESYOMAMA

    Don't forget basic healthcare.

  • IF YOU NO WATCH CARTOON MADE BY MOTHER RUSSIA YOU BE DEPORTED TO SIBERIA

  • Capitalism is perfect.

  • great cartoon.... the funny thing about it, is that some puppets are inherit money actually in reality!!

  • Hows this propaganda when it's the truth?!

  • The great undtold story here about Capitalism is that when the Bulldog became a millionaire, he hired tons of workers, I see cooks, drivers, caretakers, tailorers, and many many other people employed all thanks to one dog with millions of dollars to spend on help,. that is pure capitalism. a person with cash will spend his money on nice items such as cars, restaurants, vacations and help such as maids, butlers, drivers, handymen, landscapers, cpa's, the money flows

  • @lin68dahl But this is far from reality: Ie. It is a well known empirical fact that the marginal propensity to consume decreases as wealth increases. (ie. (d(consumption)/ d(Income)^2) is negative).

  • The idea of a rich women giving all her wealth to a "dog" is not a realistic depiction of a wealthy person with lot of property (whether or not the dog is meant to be symbolic of someone else that isn't her family is arguable) . The 1920's era depiction of what a wealthy person is in America shows how far Soviet Russia was behind in the times in relation to the rest of the world (in terms of fashion and what is made available to person to person)

  • Business and government needs to be run separately. The government needs to be democratic (belonging to the people) and business needs to be capitalist (run by one person who created the business).

    Anyone who starts a successful business is entitled to the benefits of its success, and not everyone else. This encourages people to be more than just a piece of shit and actually contribute something to society, instead of letting some few people do all the work for them. Thank god the USSR is gone

  • @BAUSSMAN8O8 >>This encourages ppl ... a piece of shit..

    -- So, by this statement, U meant that originally a majority of people just are "pieces of shit", aren't they? Did i understand U right? If you really think that about people it says enought of Your person..

    In the USSR there was distributive system of payment, so workers is more useful for society naturally gets more resources and priveleges in compare who did it less. And yes there were no people who was indifferent in society process

  • @BAUSSMAN8O8 I gotta tell that here to break some people's errors about system of payment whick were in the USSR. We have leveling and distributive system of payment (read Aristotle) - it's a basic, then everyone gets for his own activity (bonuces). In soviets this system worked good, teachers in schools, especially elementary, doctor in hospital had more priveleges to simle factory's workers for example, professor in the univercity gets x2, x3 times more payment than a simple worker etc.

  • This is what happened to Leona Helmsley's dog!

  • the fuck did i just watch? 0.o

  • DOGGY WALTS lol

  • Hmmm...looks like the old bulldog lived high off the hog just like the "top dogs" of the Communist Party in the USSR/China. 

  • Communism survives and will survive. Struggle for a better world will never end

  • I figured I would of been more of war because of the time period

  • CCCP forever

  • @splicerslayer23 Then why don't you MOVE, you communist freak? My parents were born in the CCCP, it's appalling how you can defend such a terrible dictatorship! Then why do you criticize the neo-Nazis when they say Hitler was right? At least Hitler handled the economy better than Stalin did, and actually killed fewer people, too!

  • @DrStrangebomb1993 first off, fuck u.. its my opinion ill say what i want about communism and when the fuck did i criticize the nazis? and stalin wasnt in control of cccp in 1963 u fucker nikita hushruv was so go to hell u egotistical nazi fuck

  • @splicerslayer23 Like I said, FUCK RIGHT OFF to North Korea. Don't forget to send us a postcard from the Gulag...

  • @DrStrangebomb1993 first off gulags are russian so ha ha, and second i didnt say i like north korea, in fact i hate it, they do communism the wrong way if i go anywere i'll go to cuba or china.....and y r u being so hostile? u like capitalism i respect your choice i like communism u need to just respect that and get the hell off of the subject

  • @splicerslayer23 They do have gulags, you little dumbass. It's just that it's called "the Yodok camp". Google it.

    And no, I don't respect the quote "CCCP forever". My parents suffered in the CCCP. Would you respect me if I said "Hitler was right, kill all the lesser races". No, and rightly so! Neither do I respect that you accolade a system that has murdered so many people.

  • @DrStrangebomb1993, my friends still suffer in the USA and Europe. Some people suffer, some people dont. Lost a lot of friends thanks to the USA and other capitalist imperialist powers. Am i now an angry man. NO i am not, i am an international socialist, and i am proud, to be who i am. I dont care about money, i care about friendship, truth, respect, love. all things that nobody can buy, but have to earn. Anyhow, no offense to you. I just had a strange urge to reply to you.

  • @DrStrangebomb1993 FUCK U!!! LOOK I TRIED BEGING NICE BUT UR TO FUCKING IGNORANT TOO SEE THAT....U WANNA KNOW Y I LIKE COMMUNISM?!! HER IT IS,,,MY GREAT GRANDFATHER HELPED OVERTHROW RUSSIAS CZAR AND HELPED LENIN BECOME LEADER OF CCCP....HE WAS HERO TO THE SOVIET PEOPLE...HE WAS A HERO TO ME, I LIKE COMMUNISM BECAUSE I LIKE THE IDEA OF EQUALITY SO FUCK U!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.......now pleez leave me alone.

  • @splicerslayer23 Yes, communism, where the party becomes the ruling elite and replaces the czar. What a good thing. Lenin also killed countless people justifying his acts by calling them "imperialists". A bloodthirsty tyrant, just like Stalin.

  • @DrStrangebomb1993 dude just get off the subject of communism, if u hate communism so much y did u look up this video

  • @DrStrangebomb1993 also if u said hitler was right about killing lesser races i would just smile and nod my head

  • So the only way to prevent this travesty is for the government to make it illegal to leave money to whoever you want, and for the government to make it illegal for people to vote whoever they want into office. Hmmm. I think I'd be better off with the dog.

  • So Capitalists are dogs?

  • Mayby this cartoon is aboutt the luxury-loving and corrupt Breshniev and his greedy family, his diamond dealin son in law Jury Tjurbanoff .

  • You can look at any economic system and there is some degree of corruption or exploitment. Nothings perfect. Communism was designed (at first) to help the common man, while capatalism gives the common man the chance to become something greater. But there both like any other economic system. Unfortunatley it will be some time before humanity realises it.

  • power corupts, and absolute power corupts absolutley.

  • This video is more relevant than ever! I hope one day we are given an alternative like we had in the Soviet Union!

  • @NuJoiseyMAN Go swim to Cuba, we dont need anything you here. Its not like all those people try and escape for a reason. Have fun in jail next first time you complain! I'll send you a bar of soap.

  • @SpadaccinoLuciano, LOL! "we dont need anything you here" Speak English much? "Have fun in jail next first time you complain! I'll send you a bar of soap" .. Again ignoring your horrible English (ironically you're telling ME I should leave America, lol) I'll send you a bottle of lube so when the corporate elite put it up your ass it won't hurt as much. I'm always amused when people like you volunteer to be their bitch boys.

  • @NuJoiseyMAN Actually, English is my second language so thank you for making fun, and see that is the thing about America, I'm going to BE the corporate elite, and anyone who settles for less is pathetic.

  • Hey, at least with capitalism, we get nice top hats and tuxedos to boot.

  • thats not propaganda, thats truth :O

  • @allal231 Yeah, this isn't really propaganda. When people get power, which includes gaining large amounts of money, they may behave differently.

  • 7:29 a wild police man appears

  • Poorly made in true Soviet Fashion.

  • @DimensionsofChange It's better than most of the meaningless American cartoons on today

  • @uncleruckus714 Well yeah, but compare it to Batman the Animated series, King of the Hill, Early Simpsons, American Dad, Spider man the Animated Series and Batman Beyond.

  • @uncleruckus714 I forgot Spongebob. I mean this is just looks like a poorly done Mr. Magoo.

  • Stalin says:"Vodka vodka Boris Yeltsin"

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  • @TheKirk15 In Soviet Russia coment removes you........Yeah I went there....I know....It was worth it though.

  • At 3:45

    Problem

    Heirs?

  • 3:45 Trollface

  • I think maybe the bulldog isn't really supposed to be an American. This cartoon was made in the final days of the Kruschev regime. Mr. K was out by the end of the next year. Make the grim old lady into Stalin (who could act like he had class) and the dog into Kruschev (who couldn't) and it fits pretty well. It shows too much creativity to be straight 1963 Party-Line. Kruschev even looked something like a bulldog.

  • @oldgringo2001

    That's entirely possible.

  • LOL is that Paris Hilton?

  • As a Russian saying goes..."Everything they told us about Communism was a lie but everything the said about Capitalism was true."

  • @Funloverdude because they didn't communism as it should be.

  • @Funloverdude This is a stupid statement. Everything that "they told" was a lie, including what they said about capitalism (so-called). Capitalism is the engine for personal freedom and liberty, not the corrupt system that rules the US today (where the government's hand is completely controlling the economy), but a system where the government protects the people's freedom, and the people are free to deal with one-another according to objective value of goods and services. All else is slavery.

  • @yohannbiimu I think that you have misinterpreted what I was trying to get across. I was merely quoting from a saying that was common among the Russian people, who are to be admired for their stoicism.

  • @yohannbiimu The problem is one of wealth over concentration though; Ie. That wealth tends to accrue to those who are already wealth (due to them providing the bulk of investment money). And so over time they, or their representatives in firms, get powerful enough to capture the government.

    I mean there are other issues which would make the limited state which you refer to less economically efficient too (coordiantion problem, externalities, mergers, imperfect information,etc.)

  • @Scientisticsoviet Do you have any real-life examples of your hypothetical scenario. We already are experiencing the failure of the alternative. Where are your examples of the terrors of small government running amok?

  • @yohannbiimu I can think of one particular instance I am familiar with. Up until the 1960s, Quebec's power production and distribution was concentrated in smaller regionally isolated firms. These firms blocked expansion from their neighbors by using incumbency (building another set of transmission lines is prohibitively expensive), and strategic behavior. Worse though, is that because they faced limited demand, they had little incentive to build new capital intensive hydro electric power (cont.)

  • @yohannbiimu (cont.) and also little incentive to upgrade transmission lines or expand them (given the long gestation period). Under the leadership of Rene Levesque, all these regional firms were merged under Hydro-Quebec, the provincially owned utility. We here in Quebec pay some of the lowest electricity rates, Hydro Quebec skillfully uses it's prices to keep smelting and related industries in our province following comparative advantage, and it pays around 2 billion dollars (cont.)

  • @yohannbiimu (cont.) in dividends to the provincial government; Meaning we get the same services from our provincial government yet pay on average 200 to 300$ less in taxes.

  • I hate to be "that guy", but what song is playing while he's at the club? The one that starts at 5:47?

  • @Astronesthes Oh hey look, it's "that guy".

  • @DarkPractitioner D'aw damnit, I'm such a failure

  • captalism shall fail and communism shall prevail

  • @MrChipmunk546 Well, it happened exactly the opposit, you marxist dumbass.

    You were the ones who lost. Tirany as lost and freedom as prevailed.

  • @crocve as long their is communist country as long there is comunism out there we have won

  • @MrChipmunk546 No, there isn´t any real communist country. Every country that today calls itself "communist" has adopted market economy. Some more (China and Vietname) and some less (Cuba and North Korea), but still they adopted a market economy.

  • @MrChipmunk546 trust me there is but there will be always pepole tha will believe in communism 

  • I think the Soviet Union treated its own citizens worse than it treated foreign threats because it existed in a predominantly Capitalist world, The 1st World, so it had to be on gaurd for potential corruption. The Communist world was called the 2nd World and the under-developed nations, the 3rd World. these terms have since fallen out of use, however it is interesting to note that there is more activity in the 3rd world now than ever before, perhaps we will see new politics evolve there.

  • @Miloforfreedom He appears at 8:15. 

  • silly soviets capitalism is for americans. jk i like the portrayal of rich americans as ugly brutes. It sure did do its job brainwashing the young

  • @MiloForFreedom lol yeah , just like american propaganda did(still does) brainwashing the young minds to bravely give their lives on the battlefield while those goverment douchebags scratch their asses back in their offices its just like the communist propaganda works IMO

  • I like the random Nazi in the middle.

  • @AkiHimeHanabusa when?

  • Soooo.... Whats so bad about this? I wouldn't mind electing a bulldog as a representative. At least then he will be focusing on getting America the bacon instead of sending it to China.

  • @rujikin

    We're sending bacon to China? Well, goodness, that does sound stupid.

  • @rujikin Do you mean Japan? Also he may get America the bacon but the people who need that money would never see any of it because he'll scoff it all in a day.

  • @rujikin Okay maybe I didn't explain properly. While I do not support Communism I think I get what this cartoon is trying to say; their are two messages. The first message is that when you unquestionably celebrate the rich to the extent that they do in this cartoon (which is not uncommon in the western world) then people will begin to mimic what the rich are doing for no reason other than rich people are doing it.

  • @rujikin The second message is the corrupting power of wealth and how it can make you forget who you are. In the cartoon the dog quickly disregards his old friends and becomes more interested in making more money than in doing what is right. He hates that people are calling for peace because war is profitable and in the end he becomes a shadow of what he was before.

  • @swordhunter12 Sounds like the Soviet Union. Decent under Lenin, terrible under Stalin and after.

  • 7:30 Betcha didn't know policemen could teleport did ya?

  • Damn Americans should revolt lol and resurrect JFK and place him for the President and prevent Banking men to kill him so he can destroy them so you can be free.

  • @roushi....

    So...this is somehow different than the life of an oligarch in Moscow? You'll find that "every single bit of this cartoon completely rings true" all over the world, not just in the US...

  • @timmyj114

    Because, as we all know, Soviet leaders were living in such luxury. It's true because I read it in Nineteen Eighty-Four.

  • This is absolutly true. To think that a cartoonist could sum up the entire american system so well.

  • Very creepy.

  • god I love my country...............

  • That doggie must have been the old lady's good lover while she was alive. This is I think was the real reason, zoophilia.

  • This is one of the most entertaining things from the 60's I've watched.

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  • Die!!! You capitalist dog!

  • @diegogbox I see what you did there.

  • anyone else surprised most of it still rhymes when translated to english?

  • So? If she wants the money for her dog, fine. It's her decision.

  • @Djames516

    The dog is really a symbol of an attitude of wastefulness and the corrupt power structure of American politics, with all its intrigues of lobbyists and bankers.

    And it may be her decision, but we have every right to point at laugh at it and realize it's utterly retarded.

  • @ToothpickMcBrainy You're absolutely right, it IS stupid. But some people forget a person's RIGHT to be stupid.

  • Where can I find worker and parasite cartoons? 

  • What struck me shortly after watching this cartoon was how much more elegant it is in nature to that of American propaganda.

  • Really quite creative. Compare it to Yankee propaganda of the time.

  • Not really. Seeing as how we were the leader in the art world during the 60's. The Soviets wouldn't even let their people listen to music other then classical and national artists.

  • WOW! Very interesting. I guess it is the soviet reply to Animal Farm combined with a sort of strange moralizing against excess. However, not that untrue.

  • This is, by far, the LEAST untrue piece of propaganda I've ever seen. People do leave money to their dogs, and it is possible to buy a seat in Congress. Also, bankers are cunts. Not that the USSR did an especially good job offering a viable alternative.

  • @ToothpickMcBrainy The Could Have without the Balsheviks

  • @quote55

    The Bolsheviks were a mixed bag, I think after stalin's purges ran rampant on them things started to go downhill and never really recovered-if a reformer like Gorbachev had gotten into power in the sixties, they might still be around and be a lot better, but who knows.

  • @ToothpickMcBrainy

    I'm pretty sure that the dog in this cartoon represents someone's ungrateful child that is stuck up in who they are, and he uses the money to put himself in power and ignores the needs of the majority of the people.Then uses his money and power to make his life as easy as possible while putting down all calls for peace and the desires of the people.

    The Russians seem to be more creative than us. We're all like "COMMMUNISM BAD!" and don't really implement it into a story.

  • @xJeffRawrx

    Ayn Rand gave that a shot, a couple of times. She was particularly bad at it.

  • @ToothpickMcBrainy

    Most Soviets would disagree with you, there. It's easy to forget, in between bouts of making fun of the Union's economy, that the place was a damn superpower and the most influential socio-economic entity in the world next to the United States.

  • Yes, the USSR was a lie, a totalitarian bureaucracy who was not socialist. But they were right about the nature of capitalism.

  • @UDSS

    Of course it was socialist. It being a totalitarian regime doesn't take away that fact. Communism is also socialism, whether you like It or not

  • @UDSS hahahahahahahahahahaha. Ehhh what's up commie? : D

  • @UDSS

    No. How can you bash the best system in the world? Capitalism rocks.

  • @UDSS Communism can work. And here is the 3 main things it needs... Wich the USSR did not have besides from the very first years of communism. They are: equality between the people and their leaders including order. A really great leader who dont get possesed by power by time. And shared rights in most possible way in the law.

  • @UDSS ALMOST FORGOT! A 4 main thing to! It is: Common ownership!

  • @SovietLenin1

    Soviet Russia never had common ownership. they always had a ruling class, as soon ass the White army was defeated by the reds, they Bushwa boots on the peasants became the red boots. but worse, there was shortages of food, cleansing of people that didnt think like a protalitarian, People couldn't be free thinking individuals. They were forced to pretend and say what party members approved of, in fear of loss of job or food rations.

  • @lin68dahl I said it never had the main things lol read a bit closer this time :P

  • @UDSS You are fool. I lived in the USSR, and I know that it was great true!

  • @Shveik1 YOU LIVED IN USSR!? I ENVY YOU!

  • @SMGJohn I do not envy him.

  • @SMGJohn That is f*cking hilarious. You made me spill my drink.

    Oh, I'm sorry, I can't hear your angry commie responses over my working economy.

  • @UDSS Still... what can you honestly do? Capitalism is way far from perfect, but its still better than the alternative...

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  • @ToothpickMcBrainy Yes. I unreservedly agree. And Leona Helmsley is a living example.

  • @ToothpickMcBrainy so true, I like both of the ideals, sadly these ideas are TOO Idealistic for the real world

  • the bulldog looks like a frog o.O

  • accurate depiction of a millionaire banker.

  • All you need is money. :)

  • guys, let me know if you remember what I am talking about. There was a cartoon they used to play on TV when I was a kid.

    It had a porcupine, a swan and some other small animal. In one episode the swan carries the porcupine to city in a cloth sack.

    I've been trying to find this cartoon since 4 years now, recently I found out that it's Russian.

    Thank you for any kind of help :)

  • The American history in 10:19 minutes.

  • I would love my cat to start walking like that

  • @imababyshark it Most certainly isn't. Barack Obama for example is Someone no Rich and conservative american Would vote. And Not mccain got elected, it was Obama. Of course wealthy guys make Binger campaigns, but donators are powrrfu

  • @GhostRider659 Obama mccain and bush are sides of the same coin.

  • The fact that the English translation has perfect meter and rhythm like a poem makes me assume that it was not translated word-for-word from Russian. I'd love to see a literal translation.

  • Meter and rhyme, I meant to say. They even tried to rhyme "senate". Just give us the translation, please!

  • @StillH2O The rich old woman lived in one country. The rich old woman has suddenly died. Remained without the mistress gloomy and lonely, As the mistress, a thoroughbred bulldog. This old woman had native nephews, And, under the law, other successors. This old woman had the solid capital. When treasured hour has come To divide the inheritance Successors have learned to the shame, That all has got only to one bulldog.
  • silvio berlusconi

  • HuHu The makers of this movie should have seen Russia now. ;p

  • классный мультик

  • @TaqiyyaExposer im sure your just a little kid that doesnt have friends and saw how cartmen on south park hated jews and decided to do the same. im sure if you saw a jew you wouldnt even say a word.

  • Are you sure that isn't a documentary? Just look at the US right now and the try to deny that every single bit of this cartoon completely rings true. I mean Paris Hilton, the Khardasians, the repubs, the purchase of office by wealthy business men and women, how the rest of society apes what ever stupid thing the rich do. This is not agitprop, it is the American reality.

  • @ryoushii And democrats too...

  • @ryoushii you are spot on correct my friend. this video is nothing but the truth of american reality today. the way things were back in the 60s, same thing we see today. millionaire's club today being big corporations of course...

  • @ryoushii Yeah, Communism is much better. You just elect one guy & he puts all his friends in charge. Oh & you don't have to worry about people doing whatever the 'society apes' do because everyones so poor they can't even feed themselves. Yeah, Communism would be better, that way someone could make up my mind for me & I wouldn't have to think at all! Not to mention that a doctor that went to school for 4 to 6 years would make as much as a ditch digger that just got out of jail! Sounds PERFECT!

  • @herrwest87

    Yes, because a dictator who gives his buddies cushy jobs, starving the people, and ridiculously low wages for specialists are integral parts of communism. (Sarcasm, so you know)

    I always giggle when I see some twit arguing against something, when he plainly hasn't a clue what it really is. American propaganda films on communism are full of shit, and bear almost no resemblance to actual communism. A little research won't hurt you. It's ok to learn what communism really is.

  • @Anon11674 Answer this one question: If the rich make political policy, like all you Godless Commies seem to think, then how exactly are you poor blue collar workers going to change it? According to YOU, the rich make the policy! Your not RICH! So why are you waisting your time and mine on this wet dream!? Either the rich make the policy and your wining about it is a waist of time, or the people have a voice and your naive call for Communism may, God forbid, be a possibility. SO WHICH IS IT!?

  • @herrwest87

    I'm not a communist, though I do like some of their ideas. I was just calling you out on your ignorant statements. Yes, the rich heavily influence political policy to suit themselves, if nobody keeps them from doing so. My, my, you are big on making assumptions and putting words in people's mouths, and you certainly seem to prefer resting on your preconceptions rather than learning what you're raving against. I doubt there's an intelligent conversation to be had here. Good day.

  • @Anon11674 Search for "What Is Communism, Part 1 of 2" on YouTube. THAT is all you need to know!

  • @herrwest87

    Now, that's funny. You point me straight to one of the propaganda videos I spoke of, chock full of anti-communist slurs and rhetoric, and it's plainly labeled as such. Well done, faithful Capitalist! :D

  • @Anon11674 You see propaganda. I see the truth. Communism doesn't work, just ask the Russians, Polish, Czechs, East Germans, Hungarians, Romanians, Bulgarians, or Albanians. Ask the Chinese for that matter. To call their system communistic is a joke. You can't have "Free trade zones" in a communistic country. I can't say they are Capitalists either but they certainly have turned their back on your commie "equality for everyone" battle cry.

  • @herrwest87

    Yes, to the gullible and biased, propaganda is thought to be true. Anyway, have fun choosing propaganda over proper study. You can lead a horse to water, and all that. You're free to believe whatever odd things you want, and you plainly don't want to learn better, so have fun with that.

    I told you already I'm not a communist, so you're either bullshitting now, or you're not paying attention. Seems I was right about the lack of intelligent conversation with you.

  • @Anon11674 Ever notice how the truly uninformed have to drag insults into an argument? If you were half as intelligent as you claim to be you could give me an intelligent argument, but since you've been insulting me since your second reply, I think it's safe to assume that you know that your wrong & you're trying to get me angry just so we can start throwing insults instead of facts. FACT: More countries have abandoned Communism & Socialism, then still have have it.

  • @herrwest87

    I haven't even been arguing the merits of communism. My whole argument is that you have no idea what it is because you've learned everything you think you know about it from propaganda films.

    "You insulted me, so nothing you said counts!" Quit whining. Say stupid things, and you 'll get insulted. Come on, you can't even keep track of what my argument's been the whole time! I'm really just seeing what else you'll say that I can chuckle at now.

  • @Anon11674 You haven't mentioned the 'merits' of communism because there aren't any.