Part 2 - Hijrah - Haitham Al-Haddad

[fahdaw]

I like that the 2 people debating here are doing it like gentlemen.

@ahyahyahy - May Allah keep you steadfast in the deen and strengthen your Iman.

@tigerbaiter - May Allah guide you to the Sirat Al Mustaqeem.

@fbreza - Jazakum Allah Khairan.

[tigerbaiter1]

Jesus Christ said that it's not what you put into your mouth that makes you unclean, it's what comes out of your mouth that makes you unclean.

[ahyahyahy]

@tigerbaiter1 you know that's exactly what my grandfather's priest used to say when he beat him for questioning why the priest was not fasting when others were fasting. I am a convert to islam from christianity.

God forbade unclean animals, this is in the bible. Saul of Tarsus and Constantine the roman ceasar did away with the law. Jesus (peace be upon him) said he did not come to abolish the law but to enforce it. Paul was a liar and a mischievous misguider who made lies against Jesus (pbuh).

[tigerbaiter1]

@ahyahyahy - you've been deceived. Use your reason. God gave you reason - faith and reason are not incompatible.

[ahyahyahy]

@tigerbaiter1 actually you're right that's what God Almighty, Allah tells us in the qur'an. Christianity on the other hand is always "have faith brother" even when its a lie LOL. So many priests always said that when caught about bible lies and contradictions ah well :)

That's the reason I embraced Islam. Christianity deceives.

[tigerbaiter1]

@ahyahyahy I don't think that's true. I hope you can embrace the love of God this Christmas - the loving, forgiving, humble God that died for your sins on the Cross, that came as a baby, a persecuted, refugee baby at that. It's never too late! Millions of Muslims around the world are finding themselves called to Christ, even in places where they are persecuted if they convert. This is the free love of God for Man - it sets you free! Happy Christmas!

[ahyahyahy]

@tigerbaiter1 Well you can 'think' what you want, but the truth is clear from falsehood and you've been misinformed.

FYI even if I was still christian i would not celebrate the pagan feast of christmas. Jesus (peace be upon him) wasn't even born on december 25th. In fact the pagan winter solstice is there. And easter, well bunnies and easter eggs or shall i say 'ishtar' are from paganism as well.

The truth is in islam not the pagan saul of tarsus' teaching driven church.

[ahyahyahy]

@tigerbaiter1 Also clearly you are another christian who doesn't know the bible.

Did you know God slaughtered and the word is 'slaughtered' 50,000+ people for some that looked in the arch of the covenant.

God in the bible is portrayed by liars as angry, as literally 'hissing like a snake and roaring like a lion', there are some ridiculous things in Christianity none of these things are from God.

In the qur'an the characteristics of God being repeated are mercy, compassion, love and peace.

[tigerbaiter1]

@ahyahyahy Do you - as a rational person - literally believe everything that is said in the Koran?

[ahyahyahy]

@tigerbaiter1 Of course, as unlike the bible the qur'an is as it was revealed 1400 years to Muhammad (peace be upon him) from God. It is to be read literally, it has no 'hidden meaning' except that it must be understood in context. God would not deceive or lie. Humans do that.

The bible is a series of books chosen by the church to be put into one book. Biblios which the word bible comes from is a greek word for book. Yet the word bible itself is not in the bible but it is in the qur'an.

[tigerbaiter1]

Respond to this video... BTW where are you from?

[ahyahyahy]

@tigerbaiter1 I am from God's earth, and I chose to be a Muslim to worship God. We do not have a choice when we are born, where we are born, how we are born, to whom we are born, whether we are born male or female but we do have a choice in being Muslim and submitting ourselves to God. People also have a choice to not worship God and to led themselves to idolatry, disbelief, etc...

Islam is submission to God, the same message that all prophets of God call towards. That there is only one God.

[tigerbaiter1]

@ahyahyahy There is obviously a lot of truth in Islam - Mohammed was a smart guy, and knew he had to borrow a great deal from Christianity and Judaism in order to be credible. But whilst there is a lot of truth in Islam, and certainly many Muslims are good and pious people, Mohammed was not a prophet of God, he was a political and military leader, and Islam is fundamentally a political and tribal project.

[ahyahyahy]

@tigerbaiter1 Sorry but that's ignorance. Muhammad (peace be upon him) didn't 'borrow' anything from anyone but received that which was revealed from God which affirms which was before. The qur'an is NOTHING like the bible and vice versa. If it were a 'copy' it would be riddled with the problems of the bible. It has none.

And I feel sorry for you for thinking that, obviously you are not muslim but Muhammad peace be upon him was indeed a prophet of God as 1.5 billion people attest to that today.

[tigerbaiter1]

@ahyahyahy I say that because you have to know what you allowed yourself to have become part of, what you have subscribed to. I can understand your reasons for doing so - identity, community, etc. But you cannot really come to God this way, not in all the fullness that God reveals Himself to us. If you step back for a moment and look at the bigger picture you might see that - and you might start to see that Islam is being rejected in Muslim countries precisely because it is a flawed ideology.

[ahyahyahy]

@tigerbaiter1 I did not become muslim to have an 'identity' or be a part of a communiy although being a part of the muslim ummah is very beatiful. The love and respect amongst believers. The reason I became Muslim is because I recognize Islam as the true religion of God and the only true monotheistic religion that has not been corrupted on the planet earth. I became muslim because I believe in God, only one God.

[ahyahyahy]

@tigerbaiter1 God reveals who he is through the qur'an. We will not be in front of God until the day of judgment, but he watches overall of us.

And muslims countries 'rejected' islam by not practicing islam and embracing western post colonialism, nationalism, even racism, tribalism (which islam forbids) and what is the result? Secular dictatorships, tyrany, oppression, poverty, no jobs. That is the result of abandoning islam.

[ahyahyahy]

@tigerbaiter1 The rise in social problems in 'muslim countries' is as a result of further embracing western materialism and generally western ideals, and its self-evident in society just as its self evident here in the west how corrupted and falling apart society is on every moral, social, ethical and economic level.

Whether it be things like interest, debt, whether it be things like lewdness, rape, prostitution, whether itb e things like drugs, alcohol, depression etc. all these ills r present

[TheMuslimahSouljette]

I'm so glad you've uploaded these videos, they're heavily beneficial alhamdulillah.

Jazakamullah khair for the uploads. Salamu 'Alaikum.