Someone came from British Columbia told me that there are lots of oil wells that are capped and no company wants to use it because it would force the price of gasoline to fall below $0.50 per litre. And it would allow Canada to become independant from foreign oil. Well? Then then is no need for tar sands. Trillions of barrels of oil yet no one want to extract that oil from the wells in Pink Mountain.
Stelmack!! It's Time for you to leave ,you have caused more issues then bloody Klein and you continue to destroy government jobs in the provincial sector and then claim ''i was not aware !! LOL
The best thig we the public can do to make change is to stop driving and consuming oil products! Yes thins means totally changing your life but if we remove the demand there is no need for the supply! It must STOP!
Big Business has all the controls and Government regulates thier needs and this make for local decision makers a cayous structure. This is mega project is on Cree, Dene and Slavey Terrritory, to name a few Indigenous Nations effected by this project on a daily basis. Industrial Generating Companies need to regulated by the people most effected by their endless greed for control. control?!
Yes, smarter than me. Smarter than you. A species that has the ability to live in conjuction with the rest of the biosphere. There are a select few humans that live this way but the vast majority are not. The wholesale destruction of the natural world is the result. We might be able to get away with a "modern" existence if we were a smaller population, but to what end. To accumulate stuff just for it's own sake. We are working ourselves and a host of other species into extiction. Real smart.
I hate that people are so stupid. We are like cancer. We destoy the enviroment that sustains us. The best thing the rest of the speceis on earth could hope for is a pandemic that kills us off. Maybe a smart speceis will evolve someday. The sun will destroy the earth in the far future anyway so whatever it is it needs to be able to get out into space. Ya gota hate the short sited people who think stories like this are false or inconsiquential. They don't understand science or don't care or both.
the US should just annex Canada and make it a state ... take their oil and leave those greasy canucks with a bunch of polluted water - they have no military hence they have no chance
'Expensive and dirty process' Right, which means we need $70/bbl just to make it worthwhile. So in Nov 2008 Alta is getting beggared. Our reward? A 50x80km tailings 'pond' so toxic even our rednecks wouldn't swim in it, though I would pay to see em try! 4x4's with big screens and xbox 360's. To keep it all in: a nat-gas-guzzling, 4,000 sqrft. cardboard box at $600,000 a pop! Oh, and for any race living along the shores of Lake AthaB: rare and weird terminal cancers and birth defects! Yeeehaaa!
RE:"50x80 km" Yep, as/per David Schindler (Oct.31,2008).
Don't misunderstand me alien, I know this is a valuable non-renewable resource, and that we are going to harvest it. I just don't think we should do it below the actual cost, which should include the price of the oil co.'s cleaning up after themselves and not destroying our province in their haste to transport our raw bitumen south so they can refine it, mark up the price, and sell it back to us.
the whole entire province of Alberta's economy would be ruined. When thousands of people are thrown out of work because no tar sands i guess that's perfectly fine.
No one ever picked at the middle east yet Canada seems to be an easy target.
The only think i can think of that's bad is the over development because of the massive job shortages
How about simply charging the actual costs of removing oil from the tar sands, including the price of reclaiming the land after the mining,instead of being obligated to give it away at whatever price the US wants to pay? As of Dec 3 2008, with oil<$50/bbl, new projects are getting shelved daily and costing Alberta jobs anyway. If ALL the costs of SAGD and strip mining were reflected in the $/bbl it would create work for even more ppl, instead of simply leaving Alberta with a huge mess and 4x4's.
Indeed, it may only cost $15/bbl for Suncor to extract the oil. However, my point is: if you were to include the price of returning the devastated landscape back to an inhabitable condition, treating all the illnesses its pollution inflicts on those living/working in the area, and replacing all the fresh water being poisoned in the process, I think you might find that price/bbl to be a lot higher. Not that Alberta would ever see much of that dosh should the price go higher, thanks to Oily Eddy.
The only sewage that gets introduced back to the river gets treated by a municipal wastewater treatment plant, which is compensated for it. This is for obvious liability issues, the the only 2 byproducts of tarsands mining that's of any concern is the truckloads of elemental sulfur produced and the tailing ponds.
you all see enviromental damage, all I see is dollar signs, if you city folks actually worked instead of sittin behind your desks you'd see that this is important for people to make a living.
i know what it means....sacrifice, commitment, patience, family...and a whole lot more!! destroying the environment?? you are using a non-biodegradable electronic device which uses batteries while sitting in your wood-framed house which is probably heated w/ natural gas, w/ your half-plastic/half-metal vehicle that uses gasoline or diesel parked in your heated garage and a cupboard full of tupperware!! do you read paperbacks? do you have hot, running water and lights?? welcome to the club!!
I agree! They really have not learned their lesson in resource management. We have now wasted all the cheap easy oil and now they are trying to find ways to export this resource to China, India and anyone else who will pay for it. Oil is a useful, valuable, but limited resource that needs to be managed the same as all our other resources.
mined??? we drill wells also. SAGD (steam assisted gravity drainage) is a common means of extracting oil from the oilsands. there is an area the size of florida where the oilsands are to deep to be "mined". SAGD is a lot more environmentally friendly as well. do your research!!
lol 'SAGD is a lot more environmentally friendly..." Alien is the one who needs to do some research I think! SAGD creates the same tailings ponds, and uses over 3bbl of fresh water to ever 1 bbl of oil produced. And nobody has any idea what it does to underground aquifers, as if we would really want to know! Not to mention the massive amount of fresh water it wastes! Just because its underground doesn't make it 'environmentally friendly', lol!
pardon me? i need to do some research....hmmmm....lets see...strip mining -vs- drilling...ummmm...drilling leaves a much smaller footprint...MUCH SMALLER....is that not "environmentally friendlier"??!!!! i think so!! we waste water everyday...everyone does...and don't deny it...there might be .005% of the world that doesn't...but we all do...so thats no arguement..we case and cement the aquifers!! but i can't speak for everyone.
Re:"pardon me?"NP alien,I will pardon your ignorance. It is,after all,pretty wide spread.Wasting a litre of H2O by taking a longer shower hardly compares to dramatically reducing the levels of a river the size of the AthaB and using it to create toxic lakes (tailings 'ponds').IE the water from your shower can be treated and returned to the river. lol,try that with SAGD tailings! Not that they haven't: see Fort Chip rare/weird cancer rate. 'Friendlier'? Like a grenade when compared to napalm, mb.
@lidarman2 Yes I believe back in the 80's they figured if cost $30.00 a barrel to get this oil out. Now with higher oil prices, the tar sands is viable and the great part is we can become independent of blood oil from the middle east.
All we have to do now is get rid of the idiot environutbars that try to run our lives, they would have us living in a dark cave without even lights or heat.
Save Canada and support the pipelines, oppose the greedy envrio money takers.
Canada won't be rich, Alberta will be rich. Also, oil companies will make huge sacks of cash and leave Canada with the cleanup bill. You Danes on the other hand will be really rich because you produce the best windmills in the world. Wind and carbon neutral technology are the future, oil is the past. The sun is rising on your country.
It takes a lot of light crude to get a barrel of Tar Sand Oil. When light crude was cheaper, tar sand oil couldn't compete. When light crude gets too expensive, tar sand oil will be unfeasible again, along with all the oil left on earth.
The Albertans hit a querky little market window, here. Enjoy it, because the oil party is over, one way or another.
The comment that digging up the tar sands drives the Canadian economy is absurd.
It only drives the economy of those corporations with digging rights.
For real economic engine, keep heading east, to Ontario (as always). The myth of Ontario losing manufacturing jobs is only half true. The other half is German and Japanese companies setting up shop here, with GOOD jobs that dont require you to work in dangerous conditions 12 days in a row, 12 hours a day.
if people and employes make money in oil,they have money to spend on other products like cars and building a house...building a house gives jobs to other people...so oil is one of the engines for an economy
In fact, oil is the biggest business on the planet, but those countries that focus on oil and forget other development rest on uneasy foundations.
Canada has always had oil (anyone know how Petrolia got it's name?), but also industry, farming, mining, and R&D. The country as a whole is remarkably well diversified. And it is wealthy enough to support regions going through transition and loss. I don't begrudge for a second the transfer of wealth to help other Canadians.
I find your understanding of the Canadian economy to be incomplete. Western Canada and Eastern Canada have very little trade.
Most oil in Eastern Canada comes from the middle east. Under harsh terms in NAFTA, Canada guaranteed to supply energy to the US even at the expense of its own energy supply.
Oil from Alberta goes almost exclusively to the US. So do cars produced in Ontario. But one doesn't have to strip mine the land to produce a vehicle.
I feel ashamed and nauseated of being an Albertan. This place is run by greed, by a desperate hunger for money. Environmental and social concerns are of no importance. I've witnessed Calgary getting socially destroyed starting 1998. The city is nowadays not even the shadow of its past.
@drkam6 Of course when you go to work (or run your business, however you earn a living) you do it for your love of the environment and "social concerns" not your "greed" for the money that allows you to eat? I don't think anything pisses me off more than this special brand of hypocrisy. Well maybe anti-capitalist films made possible by a capitalist economy.
What distinguishes human beings from the rest of the animal kingdom is foresight, the ability to look ahead, to recognize dangers and opportunities and by acting in the present, to avoid the hazards and to exploit the opportunities in the future. When those in business and government continue to liberately ignore the best scientific advice warning us of the need to act, they are committing us to a path that will have catastrophic consequences for our children and grandchildren.
Only meant to give it four stars, but it's certainly worth watching in any case.
Just wait till all of that waste sludge permeates the soil, inundates the aquifers, and then seaps back into the rivers, down to Calgary and beyond. This makes even China look "clean" and THAT'S a scary concept.
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Someone came from British Columbia told me that there are lots of oil wells that are capped and no company wants to use it because it would force the price of gasoline to fall below $0.50 per litre. And it would allow Canada to become independant from foreign oil. Well? Then then is no need for tar sands. Trillions of barrels of oil yet no one want to extract that oil from the wells in Pink Mountain.
Topazman12 4 days ago
1:26 looks like a dang nightmare, and take a peek at that smoke stack... um... yeah.
jaymorpheus11 2 weeks ago in playlist Peak Oil
interesting
crudeoilsystems 6 months ago
Road Block Coming SOON!!!!!!! Hwy 63 n Hwy 881 going down....The next LIBYA
TheDarkKnight1386 10 months ago
"... and for the anti-oil special interest groups".
SpellboundSolution 1 year ago
Stelmack!! It's Time for you to leave ,you have caused more issues then bloody Klein and you continue to destroy government jobs in the provincial sector and then claim ''i was not aware !! LOL
seekhim777 1 year ago
The best thig we the public can do to make change is to stop driving and consuming oil products! Yes thins means totally changing your life but if we remove the demand there is no need for the supply! It must STOP!
Revolutionisnow1 1 year ago
wow that's harsh. I can't belive this.
HomePowerWind 1 year ago
DRT 2 OIL
Alberta rocks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sixinafour 1 year ago
Big Business has all the controls and Government regulates thier needs and this make for local decision makers a cayous structure. This is mega project is on Cree, Dene and Slavey Terrritory, to name a few Indigenous Nations effected by this project on a daily basis. Industrial Generating Companies need to regulated by the people most effected by their endless greed for control. control?!
makinamill 2 years ago
Yes, smarter than me. Smarter than you. A species that has the ability to live in conjuction with the rest of the biosphere. There are a select few humans that live this way but the vast majority are not. The wholesale destruction of the natural world is the result. We might be able to get away with a "modern" existence if we were a smaller population, but to what end. To accumulate stuff just for it's own sake. We are working ourselves and a host of other species into extiction. Real smart.
virtualymeJason 2 years ago 2
I hate that people are so stupid. We are like cancer. We destoy the enviroment that sustains us. The best thing the rest of the speceis on earth could hope for is a pandemic that kills us off. Maybe a smart speceis will evolve someday. The sun will destroy the earth in the far future anyway so whatever it is it needs to be able to get out into space. Ya gota hate the short sited people who think stories like this are false or inconsiquential. They don't understand science or don't care or both.
virtualymeJason 2 years ago
"Maybe a smart speceis will evolve someday".....a species smarter than you i hope!!
alienincognito 2 years ago
the US should just annex Canada and make it a state ... take their oil and leave those greasy canucks with a bunch of polluted water - they have no military hence they have no chance
florgat91 2 years ago
but whites love to distroy the world, so who cares about the indians, white europeans will be in the lead for many years to come!
Its not for fun we kill africans,asiens to steal there resources.
Whites are the blood king of the world, and we like it:)))
So you indians and other, go be slaves, because you are slaves to the whites!
Who controls the gold,silver and land in africa, whites! And blacks are slaves!
Metalgear55 2 years ago
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Canada = Crap Country
riccuellar 2 years ago
'Expensive and dirty process' Right, which means we need $70/bbl just to make it worthwhile. So in Nov 2008 Alta is getting beggared. Our reward? A 50x80km tailings 'pond' so toxic even our rednecks wouldn't swim in it, though I would pay to see em try! 4x4's with big screens and xbox 360's. To keep it all in: a nat-gas-guzzling, 4,000 sqrft. cardboard box at $600,000 a pop! Oh, and for any race living along the shores of Lake AthaB: rare and weird terminal cancers and birth defects! Yeeehaaa!
rhysfawr4 3 years ago
where's this 50x80km tailing pond...thats pretty big...KM's???
alienincognito 3 years ago
RE:"50x80 km" Yep, as/per David Schindler (Oct.31,2008).
Don't misunderstand me alien, I know this is a valuable non-renewable resource, and that we are going to harvest it. I just don't think we should do it below the actual cost, which should include the price of the oil co.'s cleaning up after themselves and not destroying our province in their haste to transport our raw bitumen south so they can refine it, mark up the price, and sell it back to us.
rhysfawr4 3 years ago 2
Exactly, Mr. Rhysfawr. It's so typically Canadian. Chop down the trees, export the logs, and import the piano made from the exported lumber.
drmodestoesq 2 years ago 4
@drmodestoesq
I'd say that's typical of all western societies to a certain extent
Flagstaff12 1 year ago
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quuaa1 2 years ago
It's not one, that's their 'estimate' for the tailing ponds for all the plants in fort mac. Sounds like a number just pulled out of their ass.
quuaa1 2 years ago
so remove the oilsands and erase them
the whole entire province of Alberta's economy would be ruined. When thousands of people are thrown out of work because no tar sands i guess that's perfectly fine.
No one ever picked at the middle east yet Canada seems to be an easy target.
The only think i can think of that's bad is the over development because of the massive job shortages
garycalgary 3 years ago
How about simply charging the actual costs of removing oil from the tar sands, including the price of reclaiming the land after the mining,instead of being obligated to give it away at whatever price the US wants to pay? As of Dec 3 2008, with oil<$50/bbl, new projects are getting shelved daily and costing Alberta jobs anyway. If ALL the costs of SAGD and strip mining were reflected in the $/bbl it would create work for even more ppl, instead of simply leaving Alberta with a huge mess and 4x4's.
rhysfawr4 3 years ago
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i don't see a HUGE mess....and i own a 4x4....
alienincognito 3 years ago
Whopping cost of tar sands extraction is $15/barrel.
quuaa1 2 years ago
Indeed, it may only cost $15/bbl for Suncor to extract the oil. However, my point is: if you were to include the price of returning the devastated landscape back to an inhabitable condition, treating all the illnesses its pollution inflicts on those living/working in the area, and replacing all the fresh water being poisoned in the process, I think you might find that price/bbl to be a lot higher. Not that Alberta would ever see much of that dosh should the price go higher, thanks to Oily Eddy.
rhysfawr4 2 years ago
The only sewage that gets introduced back to the river gets treated by a municipal wastewater treatment plant, which is compensated for it. This is for obvious liability issues, the the only 2 byproducts of tarsands mining that's of any concern is the truckloads of elemental sulfur produced and the tailing ponds.
quuaa1 2 years ago
you all see enviromental damage, all I see is dollar signs, if you city folks actually worked instead of sittin behind your desks you'd see that this is important for people to make a living.
SUNCOR FTW
tomtomho 3 years ago
Can I suggest that while you are busy making that living, that you find some time to sit back and think about what that word means?
ninyae 3 years ago
i know what it means....sacrifice, commitment, patience, family...and a whole lot more!! destroying the environment?? you are using a non-biodegradable electronic device which uses batteries while sitting in your wood-framed house which is probably heated w/ natural gas, w/ your half-plastic/half-metal vehicle that uses gasoline or diesel parked in your heated garage and a cupboard full of tupperware!! do you read paperbacks? do you have hot, running water and lights?? welcome to the club!!
alienincognito 3 years ago
"but there is a catch"
Duh!
Only high oil prices support this kind of "oil mining"
You can have lots of oil people, but be prepared to pay top dollar for it.
Nobody doubts there is plenty of oil in those sands but it's only mined when prices are high, which is an indicator that the easy oil is long gone.
lidarman2 3 years ago 2
I agree! They really have not learned their lesson in resource management. We have now wasted all the cheap easy oil and now they are trying to find ways to export this resource to China, India and anyone else who will pay for it. Oil is a useful, valuable, but limited resource that needs to be managed the same as all our other resources.
NormanMcGregor 3 years ago
mined??? we drill wells also. SAGD (steam assisted gravity drainage) is a common means of extracting oil from the oilsands. there is an area the size of florida where the oilsands are to deep to be "mined". SAGD is a lot more environmentally friendly as well. do your research!!
alienincognito 3 years ago
lol 'SAGD is a lot more environmentally friendly..." Alien is the one who needs to do some research I think! SAGD creates the same tailings ponds, and uses over 3bbl of fresh water to ever 1 bbl of oil produced. And nobody has any idea what it does to underground aquifers, as if we would really want to know! Not to mention the massive amount of fresh water it wastes! Just because its underground doesn't make it 'environmentally friendly', lol!
rhysfawr4 3 years ago
pardon me? i need to do some research....hmmmm....lets see...strip mining -vs- drilling...ummmm...drilling leaves a much smaller footprint...MUCH SMALLER....is that not "environmentally friendlier"??!!!! i think so!! we waste water everyday...everyone does...and don't deny it...there might be .005% of the world that doesn't...but we all do...so thats no arguement..we case and cement the aquifers!! but i can't speak for everyone.
alienincognito 3 years ago
Re:"pardon me?"NP alien,I will pardon your ignorance. It is,after all,pretty wide spread.Wasting a litre of H2O by taking a longer shower hardly compares to dramatically reducing the levels of a river the size of the AthaB and using it to create toxic lakes (tailings 'ponds').IE the water from your shower can be treated and returned to the river. lol,try that with SAGD tailings! Not that they haven't: see Fort Chip rare/weird cancer rate. 'Friendlier'? Like a grenade when compared to napalm, mb.
rhysfawr4 3 years ago
@lidarman2 Yes I believe back in the 80's they figured if cost $30.00 a barrel to get this oil out. Now with higher oil prices, the tar sands is viable and the great part is we can become independent of blood oil from the middle east.
All we have to do now is get rid of the idiot environutbars that try to run our lives, they would have us living in a dark cave without even lights or heat.
Save Canada and support the pipelines, oppose the greedy envrio money takers.
justanoldman1 2 weeks ago
silly rabbit, oil is for dinosours
sourmanofcoal 3 years ago
This is what happens when met think they are gods. We are not in time folks.
blkkueffer 3 years ago
its the dirties industrial project on the Earth.
PeakOilCountdown 3 years ago
Thanks for putting up this video, people need to see the other side
Markmeblablabla 3 years ago 2
Ed Stelmach's face look like a Hemorrhoid.
Kalgarysuck 3 years ago 2
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Whats wrong? Is you life so bad!! haah
Why do you care about those indians?
American whites will son control, and these indians can suffer to the death hehe.!
Who cares about some nature people, indians are slaves to us:_) just like black people and mexicans:_)
America rules!!
Metalgear55 3 years ago
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Who cares!
Its the indians who live in the nature who will suffer:-9
Us white people will leave to rich places, and live our live as super rich.-)
Pump pump the oil:-)))))
Metalgear55 3 years ago
I really wouldn't mind putting a small bullet through your small fucking brain.
AaronCz 3 years ago
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candian will be rich rich rich!!!
Wow they are the richest in the world soon:_)
I want to live there:-))))))))))))
Metalgear55 3 years ago
Yeah, and the most polluted. didnt you see the first three minutes of the video? getting the oil out of that sand is expensive and is polluty
ijdfhoiguigofzdhgo 3 years ago
Canada won't be rich, Alberta will be rich. Also, oil companies will make huge sacks of cash and leave Canada with the cleanup bill. You Danes on the other hand will be really rich because you produce the best windmills in the world. Wind and carbon neutral technology are the future, oil is the past. The sun is rising on your country.
drmodestoesq 3 years ago 4
That's the thing, the 'progressive' tax rate changes based off the province, and guess which province gets taxes levied against it the heaviest?
quuaa1 2 years ago
I'll bite, which province gets taxes levied against it the heaviest?
drmodestoesq 2 years ago
Alberta
quuaa1 2 years ago
It takes a lot of light crude to get a barrel of Tar Sand Oil. When light crude was cheaper, tar sand oil couldn't compete. When light crude gets too expensive, tar sand oil will be unfeasible again, along with all the oil left on earth.
The Albertans hit a querky little market window, here. Enjoy it, because the oil party is over, one way or another.
911thegreathoax 3 years ago 3
should be $500.00 a barrel!
jason74ftchip 3 years ago
The comment that digging up the tar sands drives the Canadian economy is absurd.
It only drives the economy of those corporations with digging rights.
For real economic engine, keep heading east, to Ontario (as always). The myth of Ontario losing manufacturing jobs is only half true. The other half is German and Japanese companies setting up shop here, with GOOD jobs that dont require you to work in dangerous conditions 12 days in a row, 12 hours a day.
kadathdreamques 4 years ago 4
if people and employes make money in oil,they have money to spend on other products like cars and building a house...building a house gives jobs to other people...so oil is one of the engines for an economy
vincentvegas99 3 years ago
In fact, oil is the biggest business on the planet, but those countries that focus on oil and forget other development rest on uneasy foundations.
Canada has always had oil (anyone know how Petrolia got it's name?), but also industry, farming, mining, and R&D. The country as a whole is remarkably well diversified. And it is wealthy enough to support regions going through transition and loss. I don't begrudge for a second the transfer of wealth to help other Canadians.
kadathdreamques 3 years ago
so oilpeople make money to buy products made in ontario...so there jobs in ontario economy is based on exchanges
vincentvegas99 3 years ago
I find your understanding of the Canadian economy to be incomplete. Western Canada and Eastern Canada have very little trade.
Most oil in Eastern Canada comes from the middle east. Under harsh terms in NAFTA, Canada guaranteed to supply energy to the US even at the expense of its own energy supply.
Oil from Alberta goes almost exclusively to the US. So do cars produced in Ontario. But one doesn't have to strip mine the land to produce a vehicle.
kadathdreamques 3 years ago
I feel ashamed and nauseated of being an Albertan. This place is run by greed, by a desperate hunger for money. Environmental and social concerns are of no importance. I've witnessed Calgary getting socially destroyed starting 1998. The city is nowadays not even the shadow of its past.
drkam6 4 years ago 14
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Traitor.
Grimlocka 4 years ago
@drkam6 Of course when you go to work (or run your business, however you earn a living) you do it for your love of the environment and "social concerns" not your "greed" for the money that allows you to eat? I don't think anything pisses me off more than this special brand of hypocrisy. Well maybe anti-capitalist films made possible by a capitalist economy.
SpellboundSolution 1 year ago
The oil is stained on all of our hands. None of us are innocent of the consumption.
NorthRock 4 years ago
What distinguishes human beings from the rest of the animal kingdom is foresight, the ability to look ahead, to recognize dangers and opportunities and by acting in the present, to avoid the hazards and to exploit the opportunities in the future. When those in business and government continue to liberately ignore the best scientific advice warning us of the need to act, they are committing us to a path that will have catastrophic consequences for our children and grandchildren.
akhalif68 4 years ago 13
Super canada:-))))))
It look beutifull, screw the nature!!
timesplitters333 4 years ago
Only meant to give it four stars, but it's certainly worth watching in any case.
Just wait till all of that waste sludge permeates the soil, inundates the aquifers, and then seaps back into the rivers, down to Calgary and beyond. This makes even China look "clean" and THAT'S a scary concept.
raistlin1234567 4 years ago