Heritage Foundation vs. Wall Street Journal on Immigration

[demonshots]

Bush never addressed the immigration issue. even though for many, it was a dier conservative concern.

like many former Conservatives, disillusioned with these nemours Bushs failures. im voting for the Dems in '08.

[steveolsenf90]

those graphs were sourced to the heritage foundation

[EidolWays]

Furthermore, what the Heritage Foundation continues to argue against is amnesty for the illegal immigrants already in our nation. The fact that they're poor has nothing to do with it, and the Heritage Foundation is obviously not opposed to legal, permanent immigration. I'm not sure how you got "hatred for the poor" from a simple desire to enforce the borders of our nation. After all, despite Robert Frost's protestations, I must agree that "Good fences make good neighbors."

[asdfpoijc21]

It isn't simply about 'enforcing the borders' anymore. That may have been true 20-30 years ago. The situation today is entirely different from what this complacent organization accounts for, meaning from back then. The way they address low-skilled workers is quite patronizing. They've a disdain for the undocumented workers. Their studies are obviously crafted around it.

[gleemos]

Only because Mexico is unlawfully exporting their excess labor force to the US. Undocumented workers displace American workers due to the fact that they are willing to accept lower wages without benefits. Undocumented workers deserve to be patronized.

[asdfpoijc21]

Oh please. Not more. They don't "Deserve" to be patronized anymore than other workers or people. If you have nothing but scorn, keep it to yourself. You can't address this problem like the illegal workers are the root of it. They are the consequence of it, and in many ways the first and most severely affected by it. Many of them die just trying to find work. Many of them were displaced by NAFTA. For this organization to patronize is even worse. It's a blatant abuse of a bully pulpit.

[asdfpoijc21]

It's easier to feel sympathy when someone truly has lost a job to an illegal. However, in most industries they fill jobs, not take them. But anyway, someone who was directly affected by one without the spin, Ok, then. But this group don't care about workers. They're the same ones not minding sending Americans off to die in Iraq. They have forfeited their 'right' to be judgemental. Let alone about the poor and desperate.

[asdfpoijc21]

They don't care about "taxes". That's just a cover up argument. What about future generations. High school dropouts today, usually have kids that do finish high school. People don't arrive in the US to live on welfare, but to work hard to achieve their dreams. That's nothing new, and it hasn't changed. The H-Foundation just really don't like the poor. They'd rather have laborers come in and work on a temporary basis, get exploited, then get the fuck out. Literally. And the reason isn't "taxes".

[EidolWays]

Where do you get your information that the children of welfare dependents graduate high-school when their parents did not? The issue then also becomes, of course, how long it takes this second generation to reach a productive age.

[EidolWays]

The problem they're getting at is if immigrants get on welfare, they're not likely to get off. It's simple economics. The less something costs, the more of it will be demanded. Welfare effectively reduces the cost of not working, so the demand for not working goes up. And welfare is a drain, requiring taxes to keep it going. It doesn't help that redistribution of wealth and class warfare are such frequent political ploys by politicians to gain supporters.